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trinque: vp of diversity haw
ben_vulpes: more like vp of diversity like 'naw'
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-07#1694875 << guy's a perfect specimen of the brain tattooed, thinks somebody in there is going to hear his "omg am not included"
a111: Logged on 2017-08-07 04:30 mircea_popescu: but see, that's not at all the point. for one thing : all scholarship is nonsense. for the other, soviet school si entirely propaganda, which is to say "prepare organ donors for a certain way of life". the fucking point of the fixed form 3rd/4th grade composition is to allow the submarginal intellects making up the bulk of the population to tattoo their brains into a form that'll then allow them to survive, as traffic agents
trinque: tape your cock to your asshole buddy; they'll make a company manual out of you then.
ben_vulpes: you figure he expected to survive the publication?
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
trinque: on the contrary, politely offed himself while leaving a "manifesto" written in pantsuit, trying to turn the discrimination term on them and other gargle.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3430.91, vol: 13609.22855685 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3428.2, vol: 27814.18636746 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3393.335487, vol: 15730.67920000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3433.003, vol: 7193.80566745 | Volume-weighted last average: 3420.78702129
ben_vulpes: well hey, put a few knickers in some degree of knot, so he's got my vote in the midterms
BingoBoingo: In the cancerous faggotry file https://archive.is/on51R
ben_vulpes: hey professor calculus had a sweet rocket
ben_vulpes: oh and in other tangential discoveries, both google and ms refuse to translate pizdet
ben_vulpes: leading to such hilarious horrors as "fuck it in the pizza"
mircea_popescu: now im gonna have to read gizmodo ?
mircea_popescu: motherfucker the "business report" style of 2017 is unreadable. wtf is with all the bullets and summaries interspersed and omfg.
mircea_popescu: !!up dragonblue
deedbot: dragonblue voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes pizdet means very good in romanian / moldavian and utterly fucked in some ru dialects.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-08#1695378 << dude imagines he's doing the batshit insane camp any favours by publishing more batshit insane ? srsly, "moon prison" ?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-08 06:25 BingoBoingo: In the cancerous faggotry file https://archive.is/on51R
mod6: mornin
shinohai: Morning there mod6
mod6: how goes?
shinohai: Not bad, rainy day just catching up on reading. You?
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the world of btc-themed spam and infectors, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/rcjjT/?raw=true
mod6: shinohai: ah, not much
asciilifeform: inside -- java turd
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf i noticed recently that http://cvberry.com/tech_writings/notes/common_lisp_standard_draft.html exists. some years ago i tried to do same thing, but the sheer bulk of the pdf choked every printing co., incl. 'lulu'. ever tried ?
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
phf: asciilifeform: no i haven't tried printing it, i saw this version, but i believe it's derivative. there's prior work with much nicer "diffs against dpANS" approach.
phf: also guy's a clown, "LISP" tag, "omg hyperspec is too complicated", "emacs+evil" mode
phf: can't find it in logs, but i'll link you other version when i get to non work computer
asciilifeform: 'My favorite on Windows 10 is a tool called "Shutup10" which lets you configure Windows 10 data-leaking behaviours in one spot.' yeah clown
asciilifeform: '(setq shell-file-name "C:/MinGW/msys/1.0/bin/bash")' << every time i see these, i think 'why, poor bastard, why'
asciilifeform: phf: where did a111 go ?
phf: oh huh
asciilifeform: 'How to get pretty latex-style documents in Microsoft Word' << didjaknow!
phf: is that from the same guy?
asciilifeform: all same one yea
phf: a111 is fine, claims to have timed out, was waiting on freenode handshakes
asciilifeform: hey nsa, d00d's mitm box has rusty nic, plox to replace !
phf: "03/15/2016: Added article on effective Windows usage which contains my opinions and tips on using your computer. Added article Criteria for Software Freedom."
BingoBoingo: And the Powah Rangahs have turned hard against Silberts 2 MB fork https://archive.is/4hevE
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3370.84, vol: 16050.69492276 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3379.6, vol: 30370.82043995 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3388.333492, vol: 17050.23150000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3380.0, vol: 7098.07398382 | Volume-weighted last average: 3379.75790323
BingoBoingo: OMG Crashed!
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/08/silberts-november-hardfork-plan-faces-newly-wary-derps-thanks-roger-ver/ << Qntra - Silbert's November Hardfork Plan Faces Newly Wary Derps, Thanks Roger Ver
asciilifeform: !!up PeterL
deedbot: PeterL voiced for 30 minutes.
PeterL: hi everybody
PeterL: so I felt like taking a stab at gossipd, take a look? http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ul3Op/?raw=true
asciilifeform: PeterL: how does this one differ from that last d00d's, with the heathen rsa ?
PeterL: I took a stab at writing my own rsa
asciilifeform: in a lang with gc?!
PeterL: and so it uses your proposed "virtual otp" straight rsa encryption
PeterL: well, this is just a prototype
asciilifeform: also running mpfhf on incoming packets is lulzy
asciilifeform: ( esp one written in gclang )
asciilifeform: how many hours does this thing eat per packet ?
PeterL: it does not run mpfhf on packets, that was just a way to hash to get a name for keys
asciilifeform: i'm doomed to actually read this, arenti
PeterL: not really vital to anything involved, that could just as well use any other hashing function
asciilifeform puts on conveyor
PeterL: criticism is welcome!
PeterL: it is not a very long program
asciilifeform: PeterL: i have to rain on the parade, but i dun see what you win from writing own rsa in this one. py arithmetic is not constanttime
asciilifeform: nor even constantspace.
PeterL: it also serves as a practice for me for understanding rsa algorithm
PeterL: like I said, prototype, if it works then can be ported to using ada (at least that is my idea)
asciilifeform: also what is that primality test supposed to be
asciilifeform: it dun look like miller-rabin
PeterL: fermat primality test
asciilifeform: PeterL: are you aware of the limitations of this test ?
PeterL: I know it has limitations, yes
asciilifeform: i'ma save log space, and invite PeterL to read what i observed re the last d00d's gossipd prototype.
asciilifeform: because unfortunately all of it applies to this one
asciilifeform: at the same time i dun wanna discourage PeterL or other folks, from their exercises.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-08 00:17 asciilifeform: sina: the reason why i am not particularly hot&bothered, is that your prototype does not contain any of the parts that comprise 99+% of the necessary work of an adult gossipd
asciilifeform: i understand what is meant by 'prototype', but an rsatron (ignoring for a moment the constant-time thing) that uses fermat's primality test as the sole probe, is analogous to a grenade with a half second fuse
asciilifeform: it will kill the user.
asciilifeform: for the thick : a large portion of keys generated by the linked code, will phuctor immediately.
PeterL: ok, so if I switch the primality algorithm, what do you think of the rest of it?
asciilifeform: still same thing as of the last one
asciilifeform: ( see thread. )
asciilifeform: i.e. PeterL put in a great deal of sweat, it shows; but the result does not make my work any easier, unfortunately
asciilifeform: ( dun mean it is useless - but it is in the class of homework imho )
PeterL not master programmer, finds homework useful
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0D94C26897847ED2BDBBAB06A53C056CA3ED508B756D8255B493FA8398169A3B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1632...5583 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.13.152.231 (ssh-rsa key from 80.13.152.231 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (LPuteaux-658-1-29-231.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr. FR)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0D94C26897847ED2BDBBAB06A53C056CA3ED508B756D8255B493FA8398169A3B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1710...6633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.13.152.231 (ssh-rsa key from 80.13.152.231 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (LPuteaux-658-1-29-231.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr. FR)
asciilifeform: in other noose, mod6 , phf , et al : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-10#1681208 nao 1.5s . ( this with karasbuba-squaring used in exp, and comba-squaring used as base case in the former. )
a111: Logged on 2017-07-10 19:15 asciilifeform: in other noose, ACHTUNG PANZERS, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-29#1676331 nao 1.99s.
asciilifeform: this is as good as it's gonna get without committing atrocities ( asm , parallelism, etc )
asciilifeform: *karatsuba
mod6: ah, cool alf
mod6: very nice work
asciilifeform: mod6: i almost decided to throw it all out and use generic multiply-by-self for squaring again
asciilifeform: given as the special square thing costs 143 lines
asciilifeform: for only 25% shave off the run time, it would not be worth it:
asciilifeform: however, the difference becomes more serious when operating with smaller words
asciilifeform: (i.e. on archs with smaller bitness)
asciilifeform: in particular msdos.
mod6: ah.
mod6: smaller word size creates more iterations eh?
mod6: gotcha
asciilifeform: the O(N^2) algos cost moar then.
asciilifeform: currently i suspect that this thing is at the theoretical limit of performance you can get without doing something nonportable.
BingoBoingo: !!up PeterL
deedbot: PeterL voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/08/08/blackzillas-first-track-day/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Blackzilla’s first track day.
BingoBoingo: !~bcstats
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 479724 | Current Difficulty: 8.60221984436E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 479807 | Next Difficulty In: 83 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 12 hours, 9 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all --currency gbp
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 2648.7846, vol: 15703.77823166 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 2648.320052, vol: 18271.56640000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 2680.0, vol: 141.22947295 | Volume-weighted last average: 2648.66502512
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all --currency eur
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 2925.358992, vol: 15697.62274649 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 2903.721268, vol: 18272.26640000 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 2938.933, vol: 12455.6515153 | Volume-weighted last average: 2920.48458148
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all --currency rmb
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 22983.49, vol: 18274.21640000 | Volume-weighted last average: 22983.49
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all --currency usd
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3439.98, vol: 15694.23335439 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3446.2, vol: 32199.12086972 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3426.838359, vol: 18275.05640000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3459.1, vol: 7345.70636087 | Volume-weighted last average: 3441.34795776
BingoBoingo proposes s/doldrums/dollardrums
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-08#1695413 << the quality of this summer of forks fails to impress.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-08 17:26 BingoBoingo: And the Powah Rangahs have turned hard against Silberts 2 MB fork https://archive.is/4hevE
mircea_popescu: PeterL http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-08#1695421 << is this supposed to interface with sina's item ?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-08 18:55 PeterL: so I felt like taking a stab at gossipd, take a look? http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ul3Op/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-08#1695453 << you have to. we'd be the first people to move to a cheaper test algo if this was feasible, in tmsr-pgp etc. but as he correctly points out, most of the keys you make are weak. an important point to consider here is weakness propagation : one weak key can potentially expose other key exchanges, resulting in a chain of (unknowingly) lost secrecy. the design will have it ablate over t
a111: Logged on 2017-08-08 19:19 PeterL: ok, so if I switch the primality algorithm, what do you think of the rest of it?
mircea_popescu: ime, but the only guarantee the design provides is that it will die out EVENTUALLY. for all you know it can survive years through sheer chance. so weak keys are a very serious potential problem for gossipd.
mircea_popescu: PeterL +MAXMESSAGE = << how did you derive the magic number ?
mircea_popescu: PeterL +# IMPORTANT NOTE: if the cs is too small, messages have a chance to get decrypted by the wrong key << what is the logic behind this ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-08#1695470 << it is actually worth it, the code is not that lengthy.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-08 21:42 asciilifeform: for only 25% shave off the run time, it would not be worth it:
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-08#1695463 << i realized that this might not be true : the (empirically found, but seems to hold on all of my iron) threshhold for karatsuba +ev is > 8 words :
a111: Logged on 2017-08-08 21:28 asciilifeform: this is as good as it's gonna get without committing atrocities ( asm , parallelism, etc )
asciilifeform: it thereby follows that i could unroll comba into explicit cases from 1 to 8 words
mircea_popescu: or at leasty 1 to 7, last one isn't so bad
asciilifeform: however this would lengthen the program, and introduce 7 new algos to prove correctness of
asciilifeform: rather than 1.
mircea_popescu: actually something like "is x unrolling of y" should be machine-provable.
asciilifeform: sadly nope
asciilifeform: veeeeery little is actually machine-provable.
asciilifeform: that anything at all is, is a marvel.
asciilifeform: hence why i went for man-provables.
mircea_popescu: do you mean actual loop unrolling, or do yo umean, by-hand optimized/rewritten equivalernt code ?
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/PjGRp/?raw=true << current multers and squarers, for illustration
asciilifeform: ( items published previously, omitted for clarity )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: even the simpler, the former
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-08#1695496 << For real, makes XTCoin seem like it had support
a111: Logged on 2017-08-08 23:24 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-08#1695413 << the quality of this summer of forks fails to impress.
mircea_popescu: i thought that's done automatically already, in formal verification
mircea_popescu: if not even this works, what is "proving" supposed to mean when they talk of it ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: very bare naked things, like bounds
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to say "carpentry is not very efificent, they need hammers", but the case here seems to be more of a "carpentry does not exist, they require gas planks, which can't exist"
asciilifeform: now wouldja believe i spent 3 wks trying to eliminate the if N mod 2 = 0 ... condition in Square_Comba
asciilifeform: N isn't a secret nor does it vary with payload, it is the digit iterator,
mircea_popescu: i recall.
asciilifeform: but the branch blows the lookahead and slows
asciilifeform: however it does not seem possible to do without it. but i have not proven this impossibility.
asciilifeform: if anybody thinks he can -- plox to write in.
asciilifeform: ( thing still runs in constant time: N always walks the range of 1 to last digit of the width of our ffa )
asciilifeform: pretty great
asciilifeform: intel found these ?
mircea_popescu: aha. well technically, i found them because got bored today and dug into older reports in moar detail.
mircea_popescu: baccalaureatelifeform. i chuckled.
asciilifeform: 'They are diversified in eth already.' << didjaknow !
mircea_popescu: hey, rape is diversification.
asciilifeform: srsly comedy gold. betcha there's more of these, somewhere deep in the sewers
mircea_popescu: o there's tons, yeah. mn words/day outpour.
asciilifeform: also i thought mention of mp/trb/et al were a hangin' offense at tardstalk
mircea_popescu: eh, the problem with "the people themselves" is they can't stick to anything.
asciilifeform: evident
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's not just mp, y'all famous. liek https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2021010.0 etc
BingoBoingo: My favortie part is "MP preventing Segwit" when instead the power rangers were compelled to Segwit a certain way leaving Bitcoin alone.
mircea_popescu: all comes down to "what are you gonna tattoo, world too complex"
BingoBoingo: Eh, tattoo yourself all black play transracism card
mircea_popescu: a right, actually, there's one, the queen of spades eh.
mircea_popescu: ~only angloword / herdemocracy meaningful tattoo.
asciilifeform: eh there's also that one they put near the arse, devil stoking a furnace
mircea_popescu: but what's it mean ?
asciilifeform: means pierced-pederast
mircea_popescu: ah yeah. but not rly angloworld that is it.
asciilifeform: no but oughta be.
mircea_popescu: elsewhere in the rotting pile, "If a function is inlined 10 times, there will be 10 copies of the function inserted into the code. Hence inlining is best for small functions that are called often."
mircea_popescu: because, you see, the "phd level" wikitards are entirely bereft of a clue to the degree of not understanding inflexions AT ALL.
asciilifeform: they also apparently never bother to actually profile
mircea_popescu: why the fuck should it be "called often", when obviously all the functions that are called ONCE are inlined by default!
asciilifeform: ( every single inline pragma in ffa is there because without it, stat. signif. uptick in run time on all of my iron )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but that takes you know, like actual tools. whereas nude reason of a kid posessed of high school maths would have allowed the correct limit be picked.
mircea_popescu: but they don't do lim f(x) for x->k thing anymore as 15yos do they.
asciilifeform: not in monkeystan
mircea_popescu: "advanced" maths of basic calculus. "not needed --- what use is it IN LIFE ???"
mircea_popescu: i dunno dumbsticks, maybe youy don't make a fool of yourself in prose.
asciilifeform: 'could you please explain (in detail) how they plan to scale bitcoin' ahahahaha
asciilifeform: they oughta sell tickets, to watch this
asciilifeform: but also didjaknow, 'but what they can do is, after a hardfork happens, they could buy all the coins that the MP and the rest of whales dump into the market to try to kill the fork, and not only that, but they could pump it even higher by simply printing more money and pumping the price of "gavincoin" above legacy chain. what then'
asciilifeform: ( why not usg peg of trillion $ per gavincoin ! why think so small. )
mircea_popescu: i see you're enjoying.
asciilifeform: while we're at it, why not yet a trillion $ / per peg on obummer's used knickers
asciilifeform: solve national debt...
mircea_popescu: in other "people themselves" : charlize theron's character in atomic blue (this borderline sleeve superheroine-spy of a retro-hallucinated 90s, as in the real 90s the us agents got fucking raped in eeurope/berlin) is SO FUCKING HOT she takes baths in iced water.
mircea_popescu: to drive this point home, they have her fish out a coupla cubes put them in a glass before pouring vodka
mircea_popescu: because you know, nobody serious drinks vodka without ice, and bathwater really makes the best samagon.
mircea_popescu: such a lulzy fucking scene considering the usistani history in both involuntary self-crit humor and bathtub alcohol it's practically an un-unrollable loop of funny.
asciilifeform: gotta make sure to scoop from the right bathtub tho. wouldn't want to drink benjies from benjie tub
mircea_popescu: i think those are for smoking.
mircea_popescu: cigar lighting at any rate, something.
asciilifeform: aahyes.
asciilifeform: '...he didn't rip people off.
mircea_popescu: gotta use the right tool for the job, bacalaureatealf.
asciilifeform: No one else did. Not theymos, not knighmb, not pirate, not silbert, not Jihan Wu. Not satoshi or asciilifeform.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, ro still has sex at concerts ( http://www.stiridecluj.ro/divertisment/sex-la-untold-cluj-doi-tineri-s-au-incins-prea-tare-video ) to everyone's shock and awe.
asciilifeform: 'this video is unavailable'
asciilifeform: nm loads from direct link
asciilifeform: but... censored nao
asciilifeform: ( pixel blob instead of subj )
mircea_popescu: there probably was a cock or some other radioactive material.
mircea_popescu: in other mild lulz, it seems the albania-serbia-macedonia pressure is slowly mounting. with any luck, 3rd kosovo war.
mircea_popescu: https://www.tvfagaras.ro/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/media_136471005390712700.jpg <<< supposedly, angela merkel with a coupla friends, at romanian nudist beach (costinesti) in teh 80s.
mircea_popescu: the obvious question being, "how come the ugly one ends up a fiat politician ?" ; and the obvious answer being that sane girls find better shit to do.
asciilifeform: oh before i fughet, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-08#1695461 benchmark is 0.8s on crapple shitbook, and 2.52s on ye olde workhorse x60
a111: Logged on 2017-08-08 21:28 asciilifeform: in other noose, mod6 , phf , et al : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-10#1681208 nao 1.5s . ( this with karasbuba-squaring used in exp, and comba-squaring used as base case in the former. )
asciilifeform: ( 1.5s -- opteron 3Ghz )
mircea_popescu: !!key Scout_
deedbot: Not registered.
mod6: evenin'
shinohai: hey mod6
mod6: hi :]
BingoBoingo: lol "M. Poopscoop provides a solid foundation to comedy gold. With the current pace of events, in particular coinbase and the DPR trail he doesn't get as much laughs as he used to. I don't have the impression that is going to change anytime soon with the comedy features at an ATH." << The studious ignoring highlighted
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is that like 2013 ?
BingoBoingo: 2015 through 2016
mircea_popescu: that's jan 2014
BingoBoingo: The thread runs for a while
BingoBoingo: Some things never change https://archive.is/BbRh5
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