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BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1775.04, vol: 10646.95455949 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1699.998, vol: 10380.12317 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1799.7, vol: 18210.67323177 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1444.874697, vol: 15825.23330000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1795.0, vol: 5450.40214789 | Volume-weighted last average: 1685.0430052
mircea_popescu: 36 total ?
BingoBoingo: Allegedly percent, but perhaps total?
BingoBoingo: !!up Avarice_
deedbot: Avarice_ voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: Hello Avarice_
Avarice_: Hello.
BingoBoingo: Who is your daddy and what does he do?
Avarice_: My good friend fbar wishes to pledge himself to Mircea
mircea_popescu: lol wut ?
mircea_popescu: !!up jpt4
deedbot: jpt4 voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !!up fbar
deedbot: fbar voiced for 30 minutes.
jpt4: Greetings, Herr Popescu.
fbar: not yet
fbar: I can not commit
Avarice_: you will finish your phd soon
fbar: And well met Herr Popescu
Avarice_: after then right?
fbar: I just found the site
fbar: and heard maybe a paragraph worth of explanation from jpt4
fbar: maybe 2 months ago
mircea_popescu: what site ?
fbar: trilema.com
BingoBoingo: jpt4 and fbar Who is your daddy and what does he do???
fbar: at first I assumed he was referring to a twitter user with the handle of Duke actually
fbar: who seems to enjoy magic tricks
Avarice_: Fbar is in need of lordship to justify his existence
fbar: And my advisor will free me soon enough
jpt4: La Serenissima is one of the few institutions capable of accepting, and worthy of demanding, a sincere oath of loyalty.
fbar: An oath given freely is worth as much
mircea_popescu: an oath huh.
BingoBoingo: Faith without works is dead
jpt4: Mr. Popescu has not shied from testing potential allies in the past.
jpt4: I recall his video poker challenge to Urbit some years ago.
mircea_popescu: oh yeah huh. i recall it too.
jpt4: Give fbar a test.
mircea_popescu: why can't fbar start by adding his key and doing something useful like everyone else ?
BingoBoingo: Surely there's a courthouse or college campus that needs 3+ cubic yards of fresh uncomposted horse manure for the lulz. I'd rate such a delivery a +2 *if only there were a key to attribute it to*
mircea_popescu: i'm going to bed. will read the proceeds of the #trilema invasion in the morning, keep it sprightly.
BingoBoingo: So, gentlemen. Propose your tests
BingoBoingo: !!up Avarice_
deedbot: Avarice_ voiced for 30 minutes.
jpt4: What actions beneficial to Trilema et al, and visible enough to cross the ocean, are there to be performed?
BingoBoingo: Well, horse manure delivered to tax offices, delivery of microchip fab to Jamaica, etc. The gamut of useful things is wide and long, but also dark
jpt4: Assist us to peer into the shadows.
jpt4: Fab of what die resolution?
BingoBoingo: Well, design a coat of arms, make some flags and play capture the park against some rangers?
BingoBoingo: jpt4: That's a question for the lord alf of Beedog
BingoBoingo: The park rangers, like those patriots in Oregon did last year
jpt4: QSL.
BingoBoingo: !!up jpt4
deedbot: jpt4 voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !!up fbar
deedbot: fbar voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: brb, sleep
BingoBoingo: It works when you work it
jpt4: We are swiftly rectifying fbar's unauthenticated anonymity.
fbar: I registered
fbar: and am in the web of trust
BingoBoingo: Have you been rated by anyone?
fbar: no
BingoBoingo: Well, then you aren't webbed in trust you. You are simply a point that can be webbed.
fbar: apologies, jpt4 is still explaining things to me
BingoBoingo: !!gettrust jpt4
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
diana_coman: fbar, jpt4 make a text client for Eulora
BingoBoingo: I have been relieved, ty diana_coman
BingoBoingo: brb, sleep
diana_coman: night night BingoBoingo
jpt4: Acknowledged, diana_coman.
jpt4: Auf Wiedersehen.
diana_coman: you might want to check out #eulora too and the game itself anyway
deedbot: BFEB1BB933BDE6C6F00C7A9956B9B11D967BCB16 registered as fbar.
fbar: I'll read about eulora
diana_coman: cool; read, ask, join, do
fbar: Bye All!
diana_coman: !!up jpt4
deedbot: jpt4 voiced for 30 minutes.
diana_coman: !!up Avarice`
deedbot: Avarice` voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5F8DE075CDBAA6097DE1BF6B4BA32A47399B1098244E6E3C83374BA3024DF981 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1138...3267 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.9.13 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.9.13 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AB1CC7C0F992FB8527D4B489D4202EB78672F9E0A7F2908A5A3611A00611CDE6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1138...3267 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.11.229 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.11.229 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C7F3B7E0DAE66CA1639E61130850A4A80F876A94C17622346EA9606F89A96F46 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1138...3267 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.6.97 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.6.97 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6A62696B656653402759498A68587377998E23A690CAFE8ADAB4F44B45D3F45B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1138...3267 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.14.57 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.14.57 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C7F3B7E0DAE66CA1639E61130850A4A80F876A94C17622346EA9606F89A96F46 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 8923...6933 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.6.97 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.6.97 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
shinohai: Holy shit the logs this morning.
Framedragger: "programmatically pandering approval eigenstates" haha awesome BingoBoingo :)
shinohai: !~later tell jpt4 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-11#1654386 <<< I personally keep losing boats with shipments full of tits. Find the individuals responsible, return my tits, and surely you shall be rewarded.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-11 07:19 jpt4: What actions beneficial to Trilema et al, and visible enough to cross the ocean, are there to be performed?
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Framedragger: To be fair click the link on "FBI Director and a JWZ" and read the Trilema that appears in your browser
BingoBoingo: It's what one does when they are a JWZ, It's a natural milestone on the walk of "just wanting to"
mircea_popescu: !!key fbar
mircea_popescu: !!key jpt4
deedbot: Not registered.
mircea_popescu: !!rate fbar 1 I dunno, some kid being anony-cool on twitter.
mircea_popescu: !!v E3D8DBFDDA70532B451D4D988CFFA2423A15577FFAE95C3197A1B8D5B1A8722D
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated fbar 1 << I dunno, some kid being anony-cool on twitter.
mircea_popescu: ^ http://twitter.com/akekmememorph for the curious. clever see, cuz kek and meme and stuff. and ironic. and everything. you should prolly date him.
trinque: what the hell was all that
mircea_popescu: teenage hijinks ?
trinque: guess so eh
mircea_popescu: with the mention that i absolutely don't see his point re chomsky ; but i do see his point re... himself.
mircea_popescu: why's them ghetto folk need to feel & be this contorted, really ? he's going to write a piece to confess imaginary crimes he summoned up for the circumstance which do not exist for any other reason than to try and misrepresent into their opposite his actual feelings about his misconstrued notions of a third party ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja even read the linked item ?
mircea_popescu: "i think chomsky is really cool because i imagine chomsky to be this guy who is read worldwide and got really rich out of feeding people ''''alt-blue pills in a red coating''' (yes i'm aware this is nonsense, but it is also easy reference to a by now readily understood brand of nonsense this particular idiot club deals in) and i wanna be just like him!!1" becomes "here's some random '''nobody said them so they'll get said bec
mircea_popescu: ause it's online and we gotta compete on wordage''' items about current event which i'ma misrepresent as somewhow related to me really really hating the chomsky guy i really look up to for the reasons i actually look up to him, notwithstanding the whole pile exists only in my too-lazy-to-actually-read and too-eager-to-imagine-i-got-it-at-first-sentence''' dumber-than-rocks '''child prodigy''' head"
mircea_popescu: wtf. and what the fuck is a "child prodigy" even!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. the basis of the comment is me reading the whole "Shaft in plato cave" nonsense.
mircea_popescu: (without, of course, references or anything. child prodigy is child prodigy!11")
asciilifeform: chomsky is in fact a leftist darling, powered by 50yr. vintage academitard cred
mircea_popescu: this is true. but this is not what he says.
mircea_popescu: chomsky is, also, for opening bids, the only guy who pointed out what mp pointed out re joe stack. yes his version of "sops, you're cutting the branch you're sitting on" is neither as cogent, articulated, useful or descriptive as mine. but this is because he is old, comparatively stupid and comparatively uncultured.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, you're now stuck reconciling this item where this lefty darling sees the right perspective.
mircea_popescu: and says it. wut do ?
asciilifeform: tame oppositioner ( a la zhirinovsky ) - typical
mircea_popescu: your stance is that this can be just assumed about anyone any time ?
asciilifeform: no, not anyone.
mircea_popescu: a tribunal made of alf and working on alf principle as above, would hang alf for... http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1654187
a111: Logged on 2017-05-10 16:34 asciilifeform: right. i dun mean the physical box, mircea_popescu . i meant 'in my head, i dun have a trilema' to say.
mircea_popescu: yes, maybe he speaks half truths because reasons. maybe he's just not bright enough to go further ?
asciilifeform: but simple observation that ~actual~ oppositioner will not be permitted mansions and titles inside the reich he is nominally opposing.
mircea_popescu: this matter may be examined, like any matter, but the examination is neither substantiated nor concluded by the one sentence "coach sandusky had nothing on him". where are the fucking examples, notes, etcetera ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i got mansions and whatever the fuck.
asciilifeform: in usa?!
mircea_popescu: dude, that is a matter of MY choice.
mircea_popescu: if i felt like buying in flordia, i'd have mansions in florida.
mircea_popescu: and if i felt like doing a phd with whoevere the fuck, i'd have that, also.
asciilifeform: this from 'won't go to usa without an army' mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: it wasn't "usa won't take me without an army", asciilifeform .
asciilifeform: you can represent this as a choice, but it is disingenuous and i gotta go change gas mask canister
mircea_popescu: you can't be fucking serious ?!
mircea_popescu: let me point out that a) i visited, when i felt like ; b) they gave me a 10 year visa back in 2000. i was one of the i dunno, maybe dozen romanians with one, at the time ? c) they fucking held the embassy open while my driver was going 100 on the wrong way in bucharest because i met some friends and got to drinking and we lost track of time and we were late. eventually got a police escort to do it under color of law at least,
mircea_popescu: salvage some statal dignity for the state.
asciilifeform: that was before bitcoin, neh
mircea_popescu: dude, bitcoin is a life changing event for everyone else.
mircea_popescu: i was still mp before bitcoin, just a) you had no way to summon the interest and b) i had no interest to you know, maintain an irc connection like the link with the chest of the covenant.
asciilifeform: incidentally plenty of ro folx in usa. asciilifeform met them for first time, there !
mircea_popescu: in fact, my interest in computers at the time was comparable with your interest in machine guns today. a little bit of history and occasionally maybe have one in the house.
asciilifeform: that's healthy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes but usually on work visas / no visas / 6 months tourist visas etc.
asciilifeform: other thing - going to usa isn't hard; even visa isn't hard ; ~anyone can buy 'green card' for half a mil $ or what was it.
asciilifeform: except for mircea_popescu -- him, they would invite in for free! for life-long residence, lol
asciilifeform: problem is getting ~out~ of usa, not in.
mircea_popescu: well apparently by your theory not anyone with half a mil.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1654291 << example. v. bout had considerably moar than half mil. it bought him 25 yr visa in usa.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-10 19:34 asciilifeform: https://archive.is/MQCwF << related. famous d00d who was abducted and sits in american prison for -- alleged -- 'intent'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, chomski is getting out of usa about as much as gromyko
phf`: i suspect americans know of chomsky because he's got a funny name. like zizhek or solzhenitcin. if you can pronounce it correctly you're probably also into opera and appreciating wine
mircea_popescu: phf` this is true ; but the way he got there was through saying all sorts of weird/taboo things over 30 or so years.
mircea_popescu: now, obviously any bureaucracy aka club of the intellectually lazy will secrete insulating cocoon around such a fellow, in the shape of "oh, he's the delegated weirdsayer".
mircea_popescu: any "good family" girl in her 20s knows so much, to preciously pretend like "oh, uncle joe, he's always ~so~ controversial". which makes me take the cane in hand and leave her some memories.
mircea_popescu: to the outrage of the old bitties. "oh noe, susanna! he beat her! but she's so smart and cultivated and independent and o noes"
mircea_popescu: now, to sum this up -- it's not that i'm a huge chomski fan or anything ; but it is that if the scaffolding were build up in stanford square and the guillotine ready, i'd have serious problem signing off on chomski ; and some obscure dudes in the sciences depts.
mircea_popescu: a la brin say.
phf`: i appreciate chomsky, he gave me a useful analytical tool of considering social and economic dynamic systems in terms of dependency graphs (which doesn't necessarily preclude lizard hitler, but allows for wider range of topologies that includes lizard hitler along all others)
phf`: i think that my initial dissatisfaction with socialism was partially due to chomsky: a flat graph of equal weights with nodes all alike
phf`: with "manufacturing consent" being one of the implications
mircea_popescu: it is not directly evident that chomski is in any meaningful sense socialist. ideologically, intellectually, how'd you like it.
mircea_popescu: he's, basically, a jew.
mircea_popescu: the equivalent'd be to propose i'm vulgar because hey, i do the whole "damn... well, basically they fuck, but it was absolutely splendid in verse" schtick so therefore. except the intelligent can't actually be vulgar ; or for that matter socialist.
mircea_popescu: (the two aren't even distinct. to belong to the lower classes aesthetically or intellectually, what the fuck's the difference.)
asciilifeform: actually asciilifeform was at one time quite fond of chomsky
mircea_popescu: what soured it ?
asciilifeform: but asciilifeform was also fond of zhirinovsky, and of limonov, et al
mircea_popescu: well, what's the alternative, "of a good man - i am fond twice, of a bad man - not even once" ?
asciilifeform: and to be fair i have nothing with which to counter mircea_popescu's 'he's the real deal, but they built an immunological cocoon around'im' hypothesis.
mircea_popescu: gotta be fond till learn better.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform real deal of what though ?
asciilifeform: dunno what to call it -- honest intellectuals ?
mircea_popescu: i mean, consider -- the nazis did not think so much of the various romanian/ukrainian/polish courts. and their agitprop did say they you know, lure german girls there to fuck!!11
mircea_popescu: can you see ancient rabbi fucking german 12 yo even were she willing ?
mircea_popescu: seems to me he's ~ a modernist reflection of the pre ww2 court system. blaming him for having a postwar reinterpretation of a rabbiniucal court seems rather strange.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1867.95, vol: 13642.71317971 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1795.9, vol: 8660.48754 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1886.2, vol: 23685.67742273 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1865.707, vol: 6248.73754329 | Volume-weighted last average: 1864.01145055
asciilifeform: in other not-quite-noose, http://www.falcon-net.org << usg '1000X faster! bitcoin backbone!' chumpnet
asciilifeform: '...application-level cut-through routing. This technique effectively decouples the speed of disseminating blocks from the size of the network...' didjaknow.
asciilifeform: usg.cornell.
trinque: it's fast; see this train.
asciilifeform: that train looks standin' still to me!111
trinque: imagine a train for your blocks and you've got it.
trinque: asciilifeform: gotta shake your head vigorously for it to work
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648749 << this groove wears deeper and deeper
a111: Logged on 2017-04-27 18:50 mircea_popescu: the last time us citizen actually said something in public that wasn't marketing-derivative might have been before mark twain was born.
asciilifeform: 'we lost on mining, let's leverage control of the telecoms, TeroristBlox will go as slow as we want, CornellBlox will go at the expected speed on the wire'
shinohai: ^ Falcon is one of The Siren's pet projects iirc
asciilifeform: shinohai: what's that
shinohai: My name For E. Gün Sirer ... his "team" developed that turd.
asciilifeform: 'FEATURES ... Reduced orphan rate ... Less wasted miner effort' << naturally they pitch it to miners
shinohai: Also some shit called "covenants"
asciilifeform: 'mine Only Nonterrorist Tx, win!11'
shinohai: (supposedly deters BTC theft)
asciilifeform: if you believe the heathen chart ('bitnodes'), 'falcon' mega-relay-network etc has ~same number of nodes as... their count of trb.
BingoBoingo: In other things, sync test is now within 1500 blox
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what kind of test was this ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 2009 intel syncing in wild on spinning rust. Started in December
asciilifeform: holy shit that's slow
asciilifeform: wtf is the point, thing will never keep up with blox in real time
BingoBoingo: This is why test/experiment!
asciilifeform: also ftr imho 'sync in the wild' is a waste of time, it simply doesn't work, 'wild' contains ~no nodes that actually serve old blox on request.
asciilifeform: it syncs when hits a fellow trb by accident and that's mostly it.
trinque: we'll find out; I'm gonna spin up one here now
trinque: on teh apu2
trinque a little sad to find the thing's neutered, but the updated infectious genbootstrap will work as well on the other, or any other device with kernel module tweaking
trinque: ^ forthcoming
asciilifeform: incidentally this'd be a good adjunct to pete_dushenski et al's 'peers' patch : see FROM WHOM a fresh node got each block.
asciilifeform: list by #.
trinque: shits fully functional de-dbus'd gentoo onto block device, copies itself in
asciilifeform: 'block 4xxxxx : ip p.q.r.s, node advertised 'whatever 9.9.9'', etc
mircea_popescu: trinque iinteresting
trinque: musltronic even.
asciilifeform: trinque: what didja use for a kernel ?
trinque: didn't use an old vintage, but nothing prevents it. do you have a preference?
asciilifeform: trinque: not as such. was wondering for which iron did you leave drivers in.
asciilifeform: this was the principal obstacle when i tried 'infectious gentoo' concept
trinque: I boot with modules, do localyesconfig, then reboot with that product
asciilifeform: you end up with either massive hog kernel 'with everything', or with a thing married to particular iron
trinque: yeh thing can prune itself now.
asciilifeform: post it trinque
trinque: shall
asciilifeform: i'd like to try myself.
danielpbarron: i would like this too
asciilifeform has two apu1 boxen ready to roll
danielpbarron has 4 boxes ready
trinque: saturday all day's going to be my catch-up day for this and other things
asciilifeform: meanwhile, https://archive.is/83lMS >> HP winblowz boxen, turns out, ship with keylogger in sound card driver.
asciilifeform: 'Conexant's MicTray64.exe is installed with the Conexant audio driver package and registered as a Microsoft Scheduled Task to run after each user login. The program monitors all keystrokes made by the user to capture and react to functions such as microphone mute/unmute keys/hotkeys. Monitoring of keystrokes is added by implementing a low-level keyboard input hook [1] function that is installed by calling SetwindowsHookEx
asciilifeform: (). In addition to the handling of hotkey/function key strokes, all key-scancode information [2] is written into a logfile in a world-readable path (C:\Users\Public\MicTray.log)...'
asciilifeform: trinque: i'm particularly curious re how you trimmed modules. many crapolade modules don't give any obvious indication that they are useless, there is no mechanism for generating a list of 'THESE we actually need, because of the installed iron, and these -- not'
trinque: only modules I'm even going to have it build in the first place are those involving block devices, network cards (eth), usb controllers
trinque: then afaik those do not load absent the hardware
trinque: folks want more modules, kernel source shall be sitting right there after the thing's booted
asciilifeform: plenty of 'meta' modules (i.e. not iron-specific) without which it is questionable that you have a usable box. for instance, TUN.
asciilifeform: ( needed by iptables )
trinque: perhaps. you see firewalling as superior to shipping with "nothing but ssh shall be listening, and if you change this, caveat luser" ?
trinque: at any rate totally willing to hear a list of modules you see everyone should have.
asciilifeform: i see box where i can't ban ip as ~useless.
asciilifeform: problem ?
asciilifeform: my contention is that this functionality should never have been modularized / seen as optional.
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-11#1654561 << i like it. pete_dushenski, thoughts?
a111: Logged on 2017-05-11 17:27 asciilifeform: incidentally this'd be a good adjunct to pete_dushenski et al's 'peers' patch : see FROM WHOM a fresh node got each block.
trinque: reasonable. what else?
trinque: what I'd oppose is say, "and what if folks want to use it as a router, or NAS, or hair-net"
trinque: well fuck, learn what you need and go recompile kernel
trinque: iirc the main challenge with gentoo for folks has been getting to that first boot
trinque: I still expect them to do something themselves after first boot
danielpbarron: i got my first booted on first try yesterday
trinque: this thing shits down a userland fs, kernel, lilo, and so long / thanks for teh fish
danielpbarron: now the same machine won't emerge sys-devel/gdb ... but it runs eulora! without window manager!
asciilifeform: trinque: on some boxes, 'first boot' is trivial. on others, not. for instance, my 3ware raid boxen won't load even 1 block after boot loader without the correct mod.
trinque: this was why "apu2" as standard example box
asciilifeform: ( there isn't, i will add, a 'lowest common denominator' solution for those. )
trinque: sadly now I find the debugger port I saw on it doesn't do dick.
trinque: but this may not be a problem for noobs, worth arguing
trinque: apu2 will sit down a node, run their weechat or w/e
asciilifeform: trinque: apu2 will run a node. so would a slightly cheaper intel box, and with - turns out - same amount of 'nsa inside'.
trinque: this is superior imho to Framedragger's hosted idea
trinque: asciilifeform: sure, but you don't get the "this particular gentoo recipe SHALL WORK" without *some* standard box
asciilifeform: apu1 was the imho interesting box -- the first, afaik, and only truly usable workstation x64 with PUBLISHED mobo schematics
asciilifeform: but it is not long for this world. i looked yesterday, it is still offered for sale, but who knows for how long.
trinque: worthwhile I think to define a noob-box of some standard which can be yet purchased.
asciilifeform: 'gizmo2' is a slightly moar 'human' box, it has hdmi port even
asciilifeform: and presoldered sage header. (doesn't come with a sage box, however, unlike 'gizmo1')
asciilifeform: otherwise identical chipset, and same one as apu1
asciilifeform: also comes with schematics.
asciilifeform: but only 1G of ram.
trinque has the gizmo and sage sitting here too
asciilifeform: so i hesitate to say 'workstation'.
trinque: thing is, this recipe shall work provided a particular kernel config for particular box
asciilifeform: theoretically if you could source the chipset, you could have an equivalent box made, but with dimm slots
trinque: but I don't want to overcomplicate things or this will be another round of "gentoo does not work"
asciilifeform: that'd be something.
trinque: worthwhile to at least get folks carting around their own copy of various distfiles eh? get them off the debian apt servers and so on.
trinque: ^ main point of the thing, script shall shit down distfiles
trinque: and not grab from the net
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> i see box where i can't ban ip as ~useless << why the heck.
mircea_popescu: trinque> iirc the main challenge with gentoo for folks has been getting to that first boot << nah, getting it to correctly use video without taking more in babysitting timevalue than the box cost in the first place. which means < 1 hr.
trinque: same method would apply, but since my own needs begin with headless boxen, started there.
asciilifeform: video works either immediately (pre-obummer cards, approximately) or never (i count 'with closed blob driver package' as == 'never')
trinque: could build all video related modules, then reboot, modprobe them all, cd /usr/src/linux && make localyesconfig/localmodconfig
mircea_popescu: still, apu1 with pre-checked gentoo install as a commodity router/webserver is sound approach.
asciilifeform quite fond of those things. THREE (!) GBe nics.
asciilifeform: plus a proper (rs232 signal level) serial port.
asciilifeform: and this in a box the size of, approx, vhs tape.
mod6: lel
mircea_popescu: maybe we should give trinque shares, box the apu1, sell TMSR router/webserver/mailserver
asciilifeform: main weakness of apu1 is that it is approx. the pogo
asciilifeform: single-source item with dwindling supply.
mircea_popescu: worked ok for those dorks, recall, the guy didn't wanna talk to us ?
asciilifeform: which one?
mircea_popescu: soldered a raspi inside a pizza carton, sold as "nofucks" or somesuch
asciilifeform: not an example to be imitated, imho.
mircea_popescu: why not ?
asciilifeform: asciilifeform will never be able to in good conscience sign off on the extant GB NICs as auditable items.
mircea_popescu: the apu's ?
asciilifeform: such as.
mircea_popescu: why not ?
asciilifeform: they won't even warn up without $mysteryblob.
asciilifeform: !#s realtek
mircea_popescu: so then what did you like about apu1 in the first place ?
asciilifeform: the cpu
asciilifeform: and the fact that the mb schematic was actually published ( this is unspeakably untypical )
asciilifeform: plus the working sage plug.
mircea_popescu: so then, main weakness of apu is that it is useless for networking.
mircea_popescu: not that considerations about supplyu chain.
asciilifeform: ( there are 3 known boards with these, at least considering only ones that you can actually BUY : apu1; gizmo1; and gizmo2 . afaik . )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: by same token ALL known GBe nics are just as useless, yes
asciilifeform: but separate issue is that amd discontinued the sage-able G-series cpu.
asciilifeform: a certain qty of them -- remains in stock, in various places.
asciilifeform: after that -- fin.
trinque: dunno that one's weechat box *ought* to have any expectation of security/privacy
trinque: not like I keep my keys on mine.
trinque: it's less a bedroom and more pissing off the balcony
asciilifeform: trinque: by that token, can just buy intel's single chip toy box etc
mircea_popescu: but by this reasoning just run windows on it.
trinque: I don't see how that follows.
asciilifeform: the value of apu1, or gizmo, etc is not 'cheap node box'
asciilifeform: it DOESN'T win on that score
mircea_popescu: if the idea is "this stove is not intended to work as a gun" then you can't justify buying lens clearing fluid for the stove's scope.
asciilifeform: costs considerably more, and often hard to get ( the swiss d00dz make'em in batches, i had to wait ~month for mine back when i got it ) than konsoomer crud
trinque: the reason we have *nothing* on this front is the conversation goes "there are no nics"
trinque: yes, well known by now.
trinque: and also other things
mircea_popescu: yeah, the nic issue gotta be addressed already.
asciilifeform: trinque: one nice thing is that the apu1 had 3 pci-m holes. so if a proper nic existed, you could potentially install it.
mircea_popescu: honestly i'd feel happier with random hp box behind proper nic than with special-gentoo-special-raspberypi with rotm realtek/whatever
trinque: apu2 has 3 also
asciilifeform: the unfortunate bit is that 1) afaik it does not exist . 2) the idiot pc architecture gives your nic - regardless of who made it -- access to ALL OF RAM
asciilifeform: trinque: right. apu2 has a fritzed cpu however.
asciilifeform: which makes firmware dev problematic.
asciilifeform: ( how the hell did anyone even port coreboot to apu2 ?? )
mircea_popescu: so tmsr computing wishlist goes a) ram insulating motherboard ; b) fully open nic to fuckgoats standards.
trinque: I dunno what strategic sense it makes to as yet have no mechanical way to stamp out a full trb node
trinque: and have all the excited teenagers stick them everywhere
trinque: meanwhile yes fixing computing still.
asciilifeform: ditch the 'insulators'. asciilifeform asks for 1 thing and 1 thing only hardwarewise -- massive open fpga, coupled to dram slots.
asciilifeform: that's it.
asciilifeform: no magical whatevers, just basic clay out of which to make the comp.
mircea_popescu: no, have motherboard design where the "dma" is a specified bank, and the cpu ram is a different bank ; and let it call whichever it specifically wants.
trinque: and what of teenagers being expendable and this being a vastly undertapped resource?
trinque: this is not asciilifeform's firmware dev env
asciilifeform: how to architect fpga box is separate conversation, and iirc mircea_popescu had a pretty good handle on it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that is not this conversation.
trinque: what do they use it on, running weed around and whatnot
asciilifeform: but basic idea -- nothing other than fpga machine conforms to 'auditable without electron microscope' and 'specificity of diddling'.
asciilifeform: and yes, this was different thread.
asciilifeform: but relates, because 'make isolating nic for x86' is not a solvable problem, it is a gabriel_laddelism -- for one thing, such a device is already available, it is called usb nic. but is hog-slow, for fundamental reasons (polled i/o)
mircea_popescu: hardly. what exactly do you even want to "ban ips for" on your realtek nic asciilifeform ?
asciilifeform: that's an ip stack knob, not nic knob
trinque: attacker cannot change IPs ?
trinque: also wtf let somebody's n00b box get attacked
asciilifeform: trinque: 'ban ip' in context referred to 'ban port', 'reject dns', or whatever other machinations.
mircea_popescu: nic will say whatever ip it fuckinfg feels like saying that day
asciilifeform: imho basic feature of ip stack.
asciilifeform: not really pertinent to hardware thread imho.
trinque: if these are retarded let teh youf mark the idiocy with their bodies
trinque: wasn't hardware thread. got dragged there because reasons.
trinque: army of excitable young dickheads are meanwhile all farting around winking at us from their android devices or whatever
mircea_popescu: trinque i don't think they'll ever do something useful though, for the reason that it's useful. somehow the drones intuit and avoid any non-drony un-pointless meaningful activity.
mircea_popescu: you know, "Goes against their principles".
asciilifeform: trinque: such marvels as, e.g., 'web20', javascript, etc. came directly from allowing teenaged scum to have whatever involvement in design aside from cleaning the shop at closing time each day.
asciilifeform: their approach to engineering is 'junkyard wars' -- 'look mother, what i made from dead possum and string!'
mircea_popescu: for me personally, the "young soviet" personified by cptn breznev was rather instructive.
trinque: I am not yet this cynical, if only for my own dick-pulling.
mircea_popescu: this is probably a good thing.
mircea_popescu: anyway, as far as "headless whatever" item is concerned trinque it seems to me something you can rack is a better choice than something you gotta keep around the house / out of dog's mouth etc.
asciilifeform: apu1 racks, i even have the mechanical bracket somewhere
mircea_popescu: ah then cool
asciilifeform: you can fit iirc 8 of'em in a traditional 1u
asciilifeform: it uses conductive, rather than convective, cooling, however, could be problem in a hot dc
mircea_popescu: miught make a fine offering for the eventual tmsr isp, just as soon as anyone gets off their intellectual arse and actually starts living life instead of dreaming it.
mircea_popescu: !!up gabriel_laddel_p
deedbot: gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: this pattern where hardware is named in-channel and then you comment on it is highly inefficient. How much would you charge (USD, via paypal/venmo) to iterate through a-zA-Z, 0-9, #\! thru #\) and name each and every item of computer hardware related to it you possibly can + give a review. Then to encrypt the resulting text file to a
gabriel_laddel_p: ll lords + myself?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: this would take a rather long time. and i'm not convinced that the result would be very interesting
mircea_popescu: alf's encyclopedia of hardware ?
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: yep.
asciilifeform: 'hmm was that 1 matrox in '98 any good? or was it a hercules..'
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: I don't care about how long, just want the price
mircea_popescu: it might provide fine support for alf to transition from the phase of "i can't write a trilema" to the phase of "there it is, read it
mircea_popescu: can't lay out silk for an umbrella without the spikes or how it went.
asciilifeform: 'i forgot my hat on top of mt everest, how much would you suppose you must charge, asciilifeform , to fetch it for me ??'
gabriel_laddel_p: I just turned up an extra $100 and will happily venmo it to you today if you JUST DO IT.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: you're missing a couplea zeros
mircea_popescu: this guy is adorable.
trinque lols mightily
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well intent counts yes ?
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: how many, exactly?
mircea_popescu: !#d 8 million
mircea_popescu: that'll become alf's own "500." fast and furious dood moment.
asciilifeform: the odd thing is that these are ~all in the l0gz
asciilifeform: for phreeeee
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: I have a partial list of hardware related items from the logs.
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: but I want the _complete_ list.
trinque: complete list of "this also don't use"
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: no, a complete list of hardware items + review
mircea_popescu: "eight." "eight what ?" "eight million. when i was a kid i figured you had to get eight million together to be considered a legitimate rich guy. so i got busy".
gabriel_laddel_p: I can't imagine this would take more than 5 days + a bunch of coffee.
gabriel_laddel_p: and half days at that
mircea_popescu: hey, if that were true...
trinque: you (snort) you gotta go big asciilifeform, just make the (pounds desk) the list of all hardware.
asciilifeform: 'no one will believe, but i find the fixation with ancient iron, counterproductive', said asciilifeform from old x60 lappy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform when you're done with that you can cycle through the realtek until you document it and reverse the blob, we'll be good.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 100% of what can be reversed without electron microscopy, is already public
asciilifeform: ( re realtek )
asciilifeform: iirc i even linked to datashit here.
trinque: your coffee must be shit.
mircea_popescu: is there an english equivalent to the ancient romanian "an idiot throws a stone overboard and ten philosophers can't fish it back out" ?
mod6: wtf is venmo?
mircea_popescu: like beenz.
gabriel_laddel_p: mod6: some USG money transfer thing for young people
gabriel_laddel_p: "send $ to a phone #!"
mircea_popescu: is it related to the "ven" bs nefario was pushing at his stallman-attended scamference ?
asciilifeform: how the living fuck does one reverse ciphered blob of instructions for unknown instruction set, consisting mainly of writes to registers of unknown purpose (mostly dealing in such things as setting PLL frequency etc) without physical peek ?
asciilifeform: i'd luvv to know.
mod6: eek. u no like btc?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform peek, peek.
asciilifeform: currently i haven't with what.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "they slap, they slap, but some fuck!"
mircea_popescu: ask the fucking chip!
asciilifeform: one 'asks' by dissolving package in nitric acid and then micrograph.
asciilifeform: incidentally iirc phf` had a phriend with access to subj
asciilifeform: what became of this ?
gabriel_laddel_p: I was hanging out with aerospace ppl, one of whom works on computer aircraft software -- gave him the function in question and told him it had a floating point error, asked what it was
gabriel_laddel_p: *consumer aircraft software
gabriel_laddel_p: he said "overflow"
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: read the article. Or just the smooth surprise part. It isn't an overflow error
gabriel_laddel_p: anyways, just another addition to ascii's "floating point has to die" thread.
asciilifeform: float arithmetic is a 20th c mistake
asciilifeform: burn it .
mircea_popescu: yes, but why is the happenstance that some dood with the right robes made $mistake relevant ?
asciilifeform: use rationals .
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: an addition to the story that "floating point must die": because otherwise intelligent people who have PHDs, write haskell & work on stuff we useveryday end up making less-than-obvious mistakes without realizing it.
gabriel_laddel_p: The article also lists 2 disasters that resulted from floating point errors
gabriel_laddel_p: rocket explosion + failure of a PATRIOT missile to hit its target, resulting in 28 deaths.
mircea_popescu: right. is the subtext that if only you were somehow involved this'd have been averted ?
gabriel_laddel_p: No? But I suppose that is the case, isn't it.
asciilifeform: hey gabriel_laddel_p -- do you know ada ?
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: nope.
mircea_popescu: here's the thing : the reason you do not see results commensurate with your perceived (and for all anyone knows, correctly perceived) subjective capacity is that you do not provide yourself with proper basis and sufficient time to make it happen.
mircea_popescu: a woman that'd make a great wife STILL HAS TO spend more than a few weeks on one man to achieve that potential.
mircea_popescu: and champion seeds that are plowed under every night won't ever champion anything, next field will raise an economically relevant crop of tubers if left undisturbed.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason alf hates interruptions.
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: acknowledged.
asciilifeform: btw gabriel_laddel_p i still have an x61 lappy that iirc you wanted
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: PM'ing you mailing details now.
asciilifeform: dun forget to sign
ben_vulpes: in other waaaat, spicer hiding in bushes to avoid questions about comey
mircea_popescu: which one was spicer again ?
ben_vulpes: press blocker
ben_vulpes: bushes!
ben_vulpes: these are the lolz that are good for buttcoin.
phf`: asciilifeform: not a friend, a ru reverser that i've spoken to, presumably he accepts hardware from all givers https://zeptobars.com
asciilifeform: oooh him!
asciilifeform: speaking of zepto, linked http://www.baikalelectronics.com/products/T1 << i muchly would want this. anyone try to buy ?
asciilifeform: or is it another elbrus.
asciilifeform: anyone so much as ever seen one ?
phf`: tried sourcing it, no dice. person i know who could've helped recently moved to germany
mircea_popescu: here's a thought : incorporate in moscow, hire a coupla call girls, pay their salary and send them to find you pieces.
asciilifeform wrote to baikal, fwiw
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik you can't incorporate in ru w/out a resident
phf` is resident
asciilifeform: oh hey.
mircea_popescu: all lawyers are also residents.
asciilifeform: looks like we have a man for this job...
phf`: i'll look into it next trip
mircea_popescu: phf` go to moscow, incorporate, hire a coupla hookers at the moscow uni, pref 2nd/3rd year, send one to baikal once you're done fucking them ?
phf`: ООО Тимисария Холдингс
asciilifeform: but hey, wainot.
mircea_popescu: lol wut!
mircea_popescu: anyway, to repurpose an ustardism, "in a world starved of whorish talent, it is hard to lose money hiring sophomores from moscow u."
asciilifeform: presently i'm not convinced that 'baikal' cpu exists -- experience suggests that it's an elbrus, a small handful of physical items for ru army and a large stack of imaginary bezzle cpus which actually turned into swiss gold and florida mansions for various scum instead of into cpu
asciilifeform: but i'd luvv to be proven wrong.
asciilifeform: i suspect that if either baikal or elbrus ~existed~ in commercially relevant qtys, it would handily corner the 'fuck cisco and usg crapolade' market worldwide
asciilifeform: but then again someone could point same type of finger at, e.g., FUCKGOATS
asciilifeform: so i have nfi.
mircea_popescu: no, because fg can be ordered and getgs delivered.
asciilifeform: well yes, i was speaking from pov of folx who encounter for first time
asciilifeform: 'if this is real, why not at my corner shop eh'
mircea_popescu: by this recknoning caviar is not real.
asciilifeform: most folx i think have eaten it
mircea_popescu: but is it at corner shop ?
mircea_popescu: also moon not real. so following.
asciilifeform: actually you can't go 5km in washington region without seeing it on a shelf, surprisingly
asciilifeform: but i get the idea.
mircea_popescu: 5km contain at least half dozen corners.
asciilifeform: at any rate i mailed'em and asked for quote for 100 units
asciilifeform: lessee.
asciilifeform does not expect answer, tbh
mircea_popescu: nothing beats 1.5m from hips to floor wanting to see director. certainly not a letter.
asciilifeform pictures talking giraffe asking to 'see director'
asciilifeform: ^ reads ~100% exactly like asciilifeform's correspondence with intel and amd.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so what's the problem ? point them to nsa fg page, explain the company is working on an uninterdictable nuclear missile to wipe the united states off the face of the earth.
asciilifeform: i won't sign.
mircea_popescu: ignore that part.
mircea_popescu: first rule of "business" : ignore all items not of interest.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> no, because fg can be ordered and getgs delivered. << confirmed.
asciilifeform: this is where i bow to the peopleskillz muscles of mircea_popescu and ask if he'll try an' write .
mircea_popescu: thenh negotiation can begin : we leave off wiping the us ; they leave off the nda, it's a give and take process.
mircea_popescu: aite, a second.
asciilifeform: i used the box on their www, it apparently works.
mod6: ha
asciilifeform: mno. mircea_popescu signs and sends.
shinohai: SCIMITAR!
mircea_popescu: i thought he was talking to you ?
asciilifeform: he'll happily talk to mircea_popescu .
mircea_popescu: aite, ima buy some whatever the shits and not give them to you then!
asciilifeform: if asciilifeform signs and sends this, he will probably have to design the mips box on toilet paper inside bastille, like de sade
mircea_popescu: a, you think ?
mircea_popescu: well, so tone down the parts that concern you, what.
asciilifeform: not that it's necessarily avoidable in long run.
mircea_popescu: not like i'm married to it.
asciilifeform: btw in sharp contrast with china -- where they sent me fresh crystals within 2 (! rather than promised 3!) weeks, with ZERO prying questions and certainly no nda.
mircea_popescu: in any case, i guarantee you it'll make their day.
mircea_popescu: as you might imagine, "Sales & Business Development" not the most exciting line of work.
asciilifeform: i quite like folx who sell actual product , for cash on barrelhead, without demanding offers of marriage or vows of eternal fealty etc.
mircea_popescu: hey, the russki's are trying to be civilised. absent any signal from you as to what civilisation entails, they end up following the pantsuit ustards.
asciilifeform: ( in asciilifeform's experience, nda in 100% of cases exists to hide screaming incompetence , astronomical prices, stolen material, or often all 3 )
mircea_popescu: you're too focused on what's here evidently a minor add-on.
asciilifeform: also i gotta wonder why anybody (this is re not only baikal but loonson of cn) PAYS FOR 'imagination tech incl' mips license -- when the thing has been out of patent since 1980s
asciilifeform: and is in fact UNDERGRAD project, to implement
mircea_popescu: cuz they work on a comission.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform wrote a mips in school and i bet phf also did )
diana_coman: have you considered that they might be simply *copying* IBM and the like 'cause that's "how it's done"? i.e. nda etc
mircea_popescu: the entirety of us economy consists not of principals but of agents. why would anyone hire a full servcie broker to churn their holdings ? because they get paid on commission!
mircea_popescu: diana_coman seems entirely likely the item is onlyt there because in their experience ustards perceive its presence as "professional"-ing.
trinque thought the whole point of the bureaucracy was to provide cover for *not* following teh rules.
mircea_popescu: kinda how the czars (back before the muscovy took over) kept painting selves in byzantine headgear. ENNOBLEMENT!!!
diana_coman: that's quite how I read it too tbh but I admit I have limited experience with this sort of interactions
trinque: asciilifeform: "An NDA may or may not be appropriate but I'm unable to evaluate the matter without ..." and give him something to do
asciilifeform writes...
trinque: at least in the states these slugs switch jobs every 6mos
mircea_popescu: im sure same is true in su.
asciilifeform wrote own letter, lessee...
a111: Logged on 2017-05-11 20:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/tArjQ/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: guy's name is fucking epic for the purpose, i confess.
mod6: heheh
asciilifeform: btw thing was auto-answerer
asciilifeform: ( it is nearly midnight on their end, if it weren't obvious )
mod6: sneaky
asciilifeform: not rly, said 'Письмо сгенерировано автоматически.' right in there, in tail end of email crapolade, i just missed 1st time
asciilifeform: then thought 'hm, how come they answer so quickly' and read again.
mircea_popescu: don't tell me ivan a ivanov is not a real name either!
asciilifeform: tbh i'm not especially hot an' bothered about a license-built-from-usa mips.
asciilifeform: but gotta try and see, at least , what it would say.
asciilifeform: 'in the great birdlessness, my arse is a nightingale' etc.
mircea_popescu: for maximal lulz, they rent the email spam services from same company that does payments for the you know, legitimate & fo realz http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623380
a111: Logged on 2017-03-08 22:29 mircea_popescu: in other lulz : femen, the "ukrainian" organisation is selling shit priced in dollars via 2checkout.com, the columbus ohio us corp.
mircea_popescu: see alf, that's the problem with fuckgoats, that nsa doesn't have an email spam service. THIS GOES AGAINST PRINCIPLES!
asciilifeform: evidently!!111
mircea_popescu: shoulda asked people to sign an nda!!1
mircea_popescu: fucktards.
asciilifeform: betcha it's part of the 'license' deal, even.
asciilifeform: propagates virally.
asciilifeform: ( and same types of idiots had the nerve to whine about 'viral' gpl )
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Ixchs/?raw=true << in other noose !! << You are making game consoles and you do not require them to sign an NDA
phf`: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1653984 << so i got a copy, mine had a mechanical looking gash in the spine, had to send it for replacement. otherwise it's not horrible. it's a cheap thermal binding, but the paper is crisp, and the source is TeX so it looks reasonable.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-10 11:37 shinohai: Nifty phf, I kinda want a copy myself now.
ben_vulpes: briefly thought you were talking about ball-girl.
shinohai: You never know with me. I have a girl here I'd love to stuff a ball-gag into as we speak.
shinohai: I suppose, lacking such instruments, a simple rag and some rope will suffice.
mircea_popescu: splurge and spend the 15 to buy a ball gag. it's one of those items, like cased bullet, that can't really be replaced in the kitchen.
shinohai: I shall! Then when someone knocks and asks "Pardon me, do you happen to have a ball-gag handy?" I can reply with an enthusiastic "Yes!"
mircea_popescu: !!key Avarice`
deedbot: Not registered.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Don't forget the 9 inch linesman pliers in case you have to take into bondage not a pretty girl
BingoBoingo: Good one should have grip to pull toe nails and heft to hammer out teeth
BingoBoingo: Klein and Knipex make adequate tools of this sort
shinohai: I use the ball peen for hammering out teeth.
BingoBoingo: too big, might break jaw. Increases janitorial expenditure
shinohai: I know lots of Mexicans that work cheap, no biggie.
pete_dushenski: mod6, asciilifeform : re : 'from whom' patch : it would definitely be a useful tool for mapping network connectivity.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: first full backyard arugula salad hit my plate yesterday
ben_vulpes: unsurprisingly, the radishes sown in mud away from amended soil taste the best and are the beefiest.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, asciilifeform found out today that gcc 6 (!) exists : https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-6/changes.html
asciilifeform: check out the 'features'
asciilifeform: e.g., 'Support for a number of older systems and recently unmaintained or untested target ports of GCC has been declared obsolete in GCC 6. Unless there is activity to revive them, the next release of GCC will have their sources permanently removed.'
asciilifeform: ( why ? presumably Because Not Modern Enough )
asciilifeform: plus bucketful of breaking changes in language ( Because We Can ! )
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Nice. That is indeed a part of the root vegetable paradox. I imagine the best beets are grown in potter's clay
ben_vulpes: we have some beets too, but they're in the good dirt
BingoBoingo: Carrots especially are notorious from coming out of manure and other quality organic muck scarred
ben_vulpes: carrots look pretty happy so far
ben_vulpes: girl germinated a batch with ~every method
asciilifeform: 'Improved std::locale support for DragonFly and FreeBSD, thanks to John Marino and Andreas Tobler.' didjaknow this was needed.
asciilifeform: 'GCC now supports the Intel CPU named Skylake with AVX-512 extensions through -march=skylake-avx512' << all cheer for intel proprietary crapstructions !1111
asciilifeform: 'Support for the IBM z13 processor has been added' << just when i thought perhaps zombie was properly dead & buried
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gcc is no longer an interesting tool - llvm took over. currently being maintained as "coreboot".
mircea_popescu: expect "project leader" to "identity politics" etc.
asciilifeform: probably happened long ago, near ver 5
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653407 << f1 cars are pulling ~12g in the corners these days, consumer auto is rarely >1g lateral before tires break loose.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 17:35 asciilifeform: this was konsoomer auto, not 'formula1'
asciilifeform: ( i wasn't tuned in tho )
asciilifeform: i confess i dun have much interest in ever using llvm for anything.
shinohai: insane grip pete_dushenski
asciilifeform: ( for 1 thing, no ada in it )
pete_dushenski: shinohai: f1 tires are wider this year! look more like cars of olde (ie 70s)
shinohai drives F1 car with alf's thermonooklear device affixed into pentagon .... "ALLAH SNACKBAR!"
shinohai: AT least I died knowing I had grip like a virgin vagina filled with alum.
asciilifeform: 'Support for the g5 and g6 -march=/-mtune= CPU level switches has been deprecated and will be removed in a future GCC release.' << laugh, cry, ben_vulpes et al
pete_dushenski imagines alum-in-v-pipe to be as sharply edged as rain gutters he picked up from orange depot today. winces.
asciilifeform: and didjaevenknow there ~were~ a g6 ?!
asciilifeform: i had nfi
asciilifeform: ( can haz ? where ? )
asciilifeform: on plus side, 'Support for the musl C library was added for the AArch64, ARM, MicroBlaze, MIPS, MIPS64, PowerPC, PowerPC64, SH, i386, x32 and x86_64 targets. It can be selected using the new -mmusl option in case musl is not the default libc. GCC defaults to musl libc if it is built with a target triplet matching the *-linux-musl* pattern.'
asciilifeform: perhaps ^ can be backported to 4.x ?!
asciilifeform puts on list.
pete_dushenski: i'd like to take this opportunity to introduce 'constantine' (37.59.43.190) as an infrastructure trb node. he will be replacing 'laocoon' (62.113.203.216), who will be henceforth relegated to testing duties. cheers!
pete_dushenski: http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html << mod6 are you handling this list ? if so, please to update :)
mod6: sure thing, pete_dushenski
mod6: all set, list is updated. thanks for the heads up.
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/05/11/tight-fit-triptych/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Tight fit triptych.
pete_dushenski: mod6: thx mate
asciilifeform: !!key danielpbarron
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: !!rate jurov 1 << http://coinbr.com #trilema
shinohai: !!v 5325D9B5D94E7753F351A78ED8788C68B2A7AC1F0FE2C01AE4928A0E5EA9E0CF
deedbot: shinohai updated rating of jurov from 3 to 1 << << http://coinbr.com #trilema
asciilifeform: 'Contact info@coinbr.com or jurov in #bitcoin-otc or #bitcoin-assets' << needs update jurov ?
asciilifeform: !!up gabriel_laddel_p
deedbot: gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: !!key gabriel_laddel_p
mircea_popescu: in other unimportant matters, wtf is with the idler party and that "speak truth to power" meme ?
mircea_popescu: how about "bitch, if you could know truth if it hit you on the head you'd be in power". not fucking evident enough ? how the fuck are the powerless to obtain truth, from their father, the god of the stupid ?
ben_vulpes: power is always undeserved to these people
ben_vulpes: because /they/ don't have it
ben_vulpes: underservedly vested, i might have said.
shinohai: You are responsible for making the internetz < secure! http://archive.is/g4TUk
mircea_popescu: right right
mircea_popescu: shinohai that's pretty cool.
mircea_popescu: i suppose official usg-lese for "tmsr" is "non-nation-state actors" nao.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E51A9E44E0F0537812A14A66E474CC0A56098F5DCB158685C00663F1BB0C23BC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1420...5407 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.90.153.5 (ssh-rsa key from 91.90.153.5 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (server475.mivitec.net. DE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E51A9E44E0F0537812A14A66E474CC0A56098F5DCB158685C00663F1BB0C23BC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1415...2167 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.90.153.5 (ssh-rsa key from 91.90.153.5 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (server475.mivitec.net. DE)
asciilifeform: ^ lulzily, phuctor was wedged may 5 - may 10 on account of having been rebooted by unknown wreckers such that it left the werker lock file on.
asciilifeform: ( fixed )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-12#1655022 << i can only picture the frustration of gabriel_laddel_p -- he read the l0gz and went off to get subj b00k and presumably tried to eat it -- but never afaik learned ordinary classical electromagnetism
a111: Logged on 2017-05-12 00:46 gabriel_laddel_p: Oh and http://worrydream.com/refs/Mead%20-%20American%20Spectator%20Interview.html
mircea_popescu: nono you don't understand, network segments and engineers!
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FBA33DDE71C4686CB4D5B405F33E55044DF298308AE6BD144B522B8B0DEE031E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1747...5893 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.49.195.130 (ssh-rsa key from 193.49.195.130 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mren3.univ-littoral.fr. FR 59 O)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FBA33DDE71C4686CB4D5B405F33E55044DF298308AE6BD144B522B8B0DEE031E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1657...8279 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.49.195.130 (ssh-rsa key from 193.49.195.130 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mren3.univ-littoral.fr. FR 59 O)
mod6: i
mod6: 'll have 3 network segments, a large fry, and a silly shake to go plz
asciilifeform: 'South Korean officials called the claim “groundless.” The CIA declined to comment, as is customary.'
asciilifeform: and guess what else is customary : 0 mentions of south kr's half century history of repeatedly attempting exactly subj
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1814.04, vol: 14708.40234923 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1782.0, vol: 7889.80741 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1837.8, vol: 23657.26368103 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1603.547056, vol: 18813.64590000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1814.301, vol: 6712.07875548 | Volume-weighted last average: 1763.20383675
BingoBoingo: OMG CRASHING!!!
BingoBoingo: Wait, no.
BingoBoingo: Just BTCChina reporting again
BingoBoingo: !~later tell gabriel_laddel_p Just curious, but why did you suppose alf combing back through logs for 100 USD would be good use of engineer time? Collating information from logs is secretarial rather than engineering work.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: unless i misunderstood -- it is even funnier, he was asking for an entire encyclopaedia to be written
asciilifeform: not merely logz links.
asciilifeform: i.e. months, perhaps years, of sweat
asciilifeform: ( and for what ! )
BingoBoingo: Still, just the nature of the work and party it was directed too.
BingoBoingo would rather read alf's 700 page Chronicle of Squirrel Wars
asciilifeform: this type of thing is called 'day job', and it so happens that i already have one
asciilifeform: hence the 'not enough zeros' answrr.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, have the bushy tailed rebels been defeated yet?
asciilifeform: they ended up in the outdoor traps
asciilifeform: ( anticlimactic: taken alive by the hired catcher, i have nfi what he wants with them )
BingoBoingo: Probably the squirrels were trained stooges. Catcher having taken protection money may move them to different neighborhood and repeat on another sucker.
asciilifeform: lol, very well trained, they ate a good chunk of roof
asciilifeform: will be rebuilt next month
BingoBoingo: Do ther scammers care how -EV their scam is for other parties?
asciilifeform: btw recall uncle al's roach repellent
asciilifeform: ( moved'em, alive and well, to the ~next~ shop or flat on street ! )
BingoBoingo: This tends to happen
BingoBoingo: Do you have a link for that one?
asciilifeform: possibly. or not, given demise of google usenet archive. might have to pull it off optical disk
asciilifeform: there was even a u.s. patent..
asciilifeform: ( iirc it was the only one he had that he owned in person )
BingoBoingo: "A crushed cockroach leaks micrograms of linoleic acid. Linoleic acid is an essential nutrient in humans (you need to eat about 3 grams/day) and is essentially odorless. If you are a cockroach it is an overwhelmingly powerful chemical signal - a pheromone - to RUN AWAY! It makes evolutionary sense, doesn't it? Anything that stomps on cockroaches should be avoided if you are a cockroach. "
asciilifeform: aha, it
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