mod6: <+BingoBoingo> In europe bird hunters hit at extreme range because they use 1, 2, or 4 gauge "punt guns", US maxes out at 10 and 12 gauge for the reason that ducks respond to bigger guns by just flying higher and then arms race << huh. yeah those would be huge.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FF78F12E4DAE7F53F707AFCDF4D779620F1D6237966F5F7B818BD3EA31FFBEA7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1471...5509 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.200.172.105 (ssh-rsa key from 89.200.172.105 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (vserver75.antagus.de. DE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FF78F12E4DAE7F53F707AFCDF4D779620F1D6237966F5F7B818BD3EA31FFBEA7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1773...5243 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.200.172.105 (ssh-rsa key from 89.200.172.105 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (vserver75.antagus.de. DE)
thestringpuller: mod6 asciilifeform dunno if just weird artifact along with bad luck or actual potential problem, but my node running on slowest hardware is only receiving BASTARD BLOCK s. I'm connected to deedbot (a trusted node) with -addnode. using same patch tree as hanbot
thestringpuller: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/jPlL4/?raw=true << node's log tail | grep "blocks", if it helps
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/eulora-special-playable-character-list/ << Trilema - Eulora Special Playable Character List
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in shitcoinistan, https://zcoin.io/language/en/important-announcement-zerocoin-implementation-bug
asciilifeform: 'We estimate the attacker has created about 370,000 Zcoins which has been almost completely sold except for about 20,000+ Zcoin and absorbed on the market with a profit of around 410 BTC. In other words, the damage has already been mostly absorbed by the markets.'
mircea_popescu: aww.
mircea_popescu: "absorbed by the markets" huh.
asciilifeform: ABSORBED! didjaknow.
mircea_popescu: well no cause for alarm then.
mircea_popescu: hopefully this starts popping up in "rape" cases : your honor, the seminal fluid was already mostly absorbed by the alleged victim's uterus.
asciilifeform: and also 'attacker' and definitely not 'aaah but we kept the magic inflatron key, what, idiot, you believed that we burned it?!'
mircea_popescu: oh no, but i read on a website...
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is zcash even big enough to warrant qntra ?
mircea_popescu: or sorry, zerocoin.
mircea_popescu: meh whatever, ima two line it. if acceptable fine.
asciilifeform had 'zcash' and 'zerocoin' hardlinked in head
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i;m too lazy to go into the archives.
BingoBoingo: ty mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: my pleasure
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/02/its-not-rape-if-her-uterus-meanwhile-absorbed-it/ << Qntra - It's Not Rape If Her Uterus Meanwhile Absorbed It
deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/02/18/the-open-sores-of-monkey-code/ << Ossasepia - The open sores of monkey code
mod6: omfg
diana_coman: selected delights from planeOfshit
mod6: im like...
mod6: thanks for all your hard work on Eulora.
mod6: i just read your article, nice write up. I'm stunned at what you're saying there.
diana_coman: thanks! got a bit of it out basically; in any case, eulora server is being gradually rebuilt and ps will be entirely discarded
mod6: my mind boggles at how they even have this setup. for instance, in my mind, if you were going to have say, 30 different types of hats in the game, there would be a simple, abstract hat class.
diana_coman: it really took me months to accept the evidence that "abstract" is something entirely unknown there
mod6: from there, you would extend the abstract hat, and provide whatever implementations required, including whatever x/y points or whatnot to draw the thing...
mod6: it sounds like this is /far/ from such a design.
diana_coman: sure, they have classes and classes inheriting classes and so on and so forth, but as to the reasons for inheritance...
mod6: so ya, sounds like there is really no design pattern, or at lesat not a discernable one 'eh
mod6: like 'builder' or 'composition' etc etc.
diana_coman: ahahah, design patterns, what, reading books next ? programming, yo!
diana_coman: social coding thing I suspect
mod6: haha
mod6: my mind reels at what the whole slot location mechinism.
diana_coman: myeah, that was cherry on top
mod6: some nasty type of pointer arithmatic or whatever 'eh?
diana_coman: I suppose I should be grateful it is done with numbers straight rather than pointers too
mod6: well, someone may suppose that you'd rather smashed in the head with a simple rock, or this here complex ax head.
mod6: nice call graph too.
mod6: i think that kinda illustrates what you need to contend with.
mod6: you're basically a saint.
mod6: let me know if i can help somehow.
diana_coman: hopefully won't end up thrown to the lions though :))
diana_coman: thanks! :)
mod6: not on my watch.
mod6: anytime. :]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: spiffy article, good illustration of the kind of affair ada was built to prevent
diana_coman: asciilifeform, thanks!
asciilifeform: (for instance, prohibits pointer arithmetic, or even the use of a pointer in any context other than where it was born; or to any item not in advance marked pointable-at.)
diana_coman: aha, I had a bit of a look at ada but sadly no time to properly play around with it; I'm looking forward though to your ada implementations
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i will be releasing a small proggy quite soon.
trinque: imagine that this tangling of classes happens in the sinner skulls before disgracing code
trinque: and they just let people walk around like that!
asciilifeform: trinque: there is no tangle properly speaking ~in~ their skull. when proggy no longer fits in head, programming turns into a brute physical, rather than intellectual activity
trinque: they're not incompatible points, really
mod6: the graph, suggests, to me, that the entire thing is very tightly coupled.
trinque: I worked on a very sad qt project once upon a time
trinque: class graph looked like a rat king
trinque: and asciilifeform is right that the sheer mass of the thing made it impossible to lift into one's head
mod6: as far as this knot of ps, or the qt thing?
trinque: but also there were plenty of idiots that could not think clearly about the problem in the abstract either, i.e. there is a board, it is to be carved along these paths, so on
trinque: qt thing itself was an abominable nightmare of a hacked together carve-path drawing tool
mod6: eek
ben_vulpes: ahaha diana_coman i salute you that is some serious archaeology
diana_coman: ben_vulpes, cheers!
diana_coman: mod6, "tight coupling" would be a very ....british way of putting it: I think trinque has it there with "rat king"
mod6: heheh.
diana_coman: and yes, fwiw I don't think they bothered with having anything in their heads, not by the looks of it: hey, it WORKS, right?
mod6: "they have oatmeal in their heads"
ben_vulpes: footnote 3 is a gorgeous little sentence, i don't think i've ever seen the like from a native english speaker
asciilifeform: it is a mistake to describe the agglomerative type of 'programming' as product of 'thought'. it is more similar to what dung beetle does.
mod6: aha
ben_vulpes: monte carlo programming! deepblue, but with meatsacks
ben_vulpes: !!up tarciboy who's your daddy and did he accomplish anything with himself?
deedbot: tarciboy voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/02/bitcoin-network-difficulty-climbs-to-440779902286-58917236-yet-another-all-time-high/ << Qntra - Bitcoin Network Difficulty Climbs To 440779902286.58917236 – Yet Another All Time High
thestringpuller: diana_coman the sad thing is all the good gamedev code is sealed, especially after the mid 2000's renderware incident with EA.
thestringpuller: oldie but goodie >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=849&cpage=1#comment-3952
thestringpuller: it also happened recently iirc with the konami-kojima incident (wherein konami stole his Fox engine)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/032879D0FB20DDECDC93ECC74D5785164A64D93357D29700D308BBB204DAF6D7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1588...1859 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.50.76.91 (ssh-rsa key from 92.50.76.91 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (niki42a.b-e-n-s.net. DE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C5C8E6EE075A38BC03ED6A1920D4CF86AFD9A44E5B28872128DB520746406279 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1669...5977 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '173.212.181.68 (ssh-rsa key from 173.212.181.68 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (static-173-212-181-68.ptr.terago.net. CA ON)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/032879D0FB20DDECDC93ECC74D5785164A64D93357D29700D308BBB204DAF6D7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1669...5977 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.50.76.91 (ssh-rsa key from 92.50.76.91 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (niki42a.b-e-n-s.net. DE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C5C8E6EE075A38BC03ED6A1920D4CF86AFD9A44E5B28872128DB520746406279 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1665...0247 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '173.212.181.68 (ssh-rsa key from 173.212.181.68 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (static-173-212-181-68.ptr.terago.net. CA ON)
mats: http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/dekalb-county/workers-horrified-at-make-killing-great-again-poster/495223396 lul
mircea_popescu: lol epic diana_coman
mircea_popescu: also my comment is awaiting moderation.
mircea_popescu: mats holy shit that's some quick turnaround!
mats: you'd think VA employees could distinguish .mil culture from a threat of workplace violence
mats: somehow not surprised both whiners that appeared on tv are black...
mats: help help i'm being oppressed by a poster
mircea_popescu: heh
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, cheers! and comment is on, of course
mircea_popescu: anyway asciilifeform has it, the basically scour the web for code snippets much like dung beetle.
mircea_popescu: but it's ok, they pay their debt to society by answering questions on experts sex change.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-18#1615331 <- thank you!
a111: Logged on 2017-02-18 18:09 ben_vulpes: footnote 3 is a gorgeous little sentence, i don't think i've ever seen the like from a native english speaker
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, yes, I think asciilifeform is quite right there - I *saw* "programmers" doing exactly that in fact
mircea_popescu: i suspect everyone kind-of knows this which is why specific items such as "mysql" or "xml" or what have you are so heavy tinged with aversity pheromones.
mircea_popescu: but irl, they just happen to be items with vast online documentation. so a lot of dung to snatch, as it were.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: e.g., ada refmanual & rationale, whole talmud, is also on www... but somehow 0 rush to snatch dung
asciilifeform: it ain't the 'well-documentedness' that attracts.
asciilifeform: also must be shit. for the beetle to smell.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall me trying to comprehend lisp and saying the documentation is absent ?
mircea_popescu: same principle. TO THEM they might as well not be there, because in the abstract
mircea_popescu: whereas "copy this code snippet to do json bro" is EVERYWHERE.,
asciilifeform: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw50/CLHS/Front/Contents.htm << even google finds.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was discussion in ben_vulpes 's castle.
asciilifeform: so then 'massive trove of snippetage', rather than 'documentation' -- attracts.
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: it's i realise now, directly the problem - the snippetage. IF a language/method/package/abstract-item-whatever has a lot of "copy paste this snippet" built around it, then the useless worms that opened up and swallowed the immense productive assets and limitless human ingenuity existing in america recognize it for the business-world equivalent of their schooldays : THE HOLY CLIFF NOTES!!1
mircea_popescu: and so they attempt to built a career through the process and in the manner that built their "education".
mircea_popescu: functionalistic culture. "i don't have to understand how fridge works as long as i know which door to open" is the first step to "and then i made the hay airplane but presents didn't drop from sky" after all.
mircea_popescu: and "i just want to" is the mantra humming along, all of it.
mircea_popescu: smatterings of "just because x I SHOULDNT HAVE TO y" now and again
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-18#1615245 << buggers are persistent, found a point of fragility i overlooked
a111: Logged on 2017-02-18 03:08 thestringpuller: !~isup http://mimisbrunnr.cascadianhacker.com/
mircea_popescu: check this novel rounding style out :
mircea_popescu: !~calc 95.4 / 220
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 95.4 / 220 = 0.43363636363636365
mircea_popescu: you'd think 4 comes after 3. but google knows better.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-18#1615371 << the nutrient alone is not enough to produce maggots. e.g., 'SWAG' archive ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-18#1241627 ) of pascal snippets existed, was first class . 0 maggotry.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-18 20:20 mircea_popescu: it's i realise now, directly the problem - the snippetage. IF a language/method/package/abstract-item-whatever has a lot of "copy paste this snippet" built around it, then the useless worms that opened up and swallowed the immense productive assets and limitless human ingenuity existing in america recognize it for the business-world equivalent of their schooldays : THE HOLY CLIFF NOTES!!1
a111: Logged on 2015-08-18 01:51 asciilifeform: http://www.retroarchive.org/swag << proper archive.
asciilifeform: it also requires http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3140985758772364@naggum.no.html .
asciilifeform: '... what was once dedication is replaced by greed and sometimes sheer need as the motivation to enter the field.'
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/02/18/the-robot-tax/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The robot tax.
mircea_popescu: imagine what $idiots could accomplish if they put all this pointless labour into actually doing something useful.
mircea_popescu: "but mp, i just work here, it's not my life!"
mircea_popescu: sure buddy, keep telling yourself that.
asciilifeform: loluseful. such as what ?
mircea_popescu: such as i dunno, the 5th channel logger.
asciilifeform: why would you want one built by idiot ?
asciilifeform: maybe it's just me, but i do not want idiots to anything. other than to stop breathing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform $idiots here takes values from {set of dorks working for usg thinking dicking around with freenode connectivity does something}
mircea_popescu: "oh but mp... it puts my kids through college. i got dental!"
mod6: haha
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf the chronometer b00k is spiffy.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: even mentions an oil lamp attempt.
asciilifeform: also mentioned a different crackpottery i had in my head -- to use pair of magnets instead of balance spring, to overcome the thermal boojum (that harrison ended up inventing bimetallic spring to solve) -- as having been tried, unsuccessfully, by huygens
asciilifeform: (but did not say exactly how it failed.)
mircea_popescu: problem is getting magnets that stay put magnetically
BingoBoingo: Question: How do you reverse a ratcheting tap and die handle?
BingoBoingo: Answer: You do not.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: whythefuck does yours have ratchet
mircea_popescu: to have greater power than itself ?
mircea_popescu: aahandle
asciilifeform: you want fine control when tapping
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mine thankfully does not. Selected text taken from catalog faq
mircea_popescu: and in today's walk among the ancient texts, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-12#792148
a111: Logged on 2014-08-12 02:19 TimSwanson: Because that's how normal debates work
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: would i have to modify how OpenSSL is initialized in order to use FUCKGOATS with TRB? >> https://wiki.openssl.org/index.php/Random_Numbers#Hardware
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: that, or kernel
asciilifeform: or wait for sane walletrons.
mircea_popescu: kernel patch best way
thestringpuller: kernel patch as in feed directly to /dev/random ?
mircea_popescu: openssl can't be trusted to actually use entropy in the first place.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller as in feed /dev/random directly from it yes
thestringpuller: "RAND_poll seeds the random number generator using a system-specific entropy source, which is /dev/urandom on UNIX-like operating systems" << so openssl default is PRNG??? RE: "The urandom device may lack sufficient entropy for your needs, and you might want to reseed it immediately from /dev/random. On Unix and other operating systems that provide the block device, you can use RAND_load_file to load directly from /dev/random."
mircea_popescu: no "seeds".
mircea_popescu: "random number generators" to be taken out and shot.
asciilifeform: in other softwaresucks, i applied all of the optimizations folx have written to me about re phuctor. still ~same slow.
mircea_popescu: might not be software's fault
asciilifeform: (despite postgres being permitted to eat massive qty of ram)
asciilifeform: sql dbtron is , i suspect, intrinsically unusable for this application
mircea_popescu: possibly.
asciilifeform: ( just as it is for, e.g., bitcoin )
mircea_popescu: in fairness it's a bit like using car for haulage. use train neh.
mircea_popescu: "no i'll optimize my truck". eh...
asciilifeform: it may be the most overloaded trabant on planet3
asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron)
mircea_popescu: kinda what they're for.
asciilifeform: and again i went 'surely there MUST be a knob to permit-FUCKYOU-UNBLOCKEDALWAYS-READS... i must've missed it' but nope.
asciilifeform: walked the docs. nuffin.
mircea_popescu: nuts.
thestringpuller: !~later tell danielpbarron: https://dpaste.de/eWi5/raw
jhvh1: thestringpuller: The operation succeeded.
mod6: asciilifeform: anything catching your eye in the performance statistics?
mod6: or explain plans?
asciilifeform: mod6: just the same old idiocy with 10-40sec per page load.
mod6: (im much more familiar with mysql's perf schema, not really with psql, but... I find these things very helpful on a regular basis.)
mod6: so, UIs are usually victims, ofc. and the bottleneck is in the database. might be worth your time to see what your explain plans look like (are we doing a lot of table scans?), what do your lock counts look like? are we doing lots of long runing queries that return no rows? etc.
asciilifeform: mod6: well, every single new key submission is from 1 to a dozen no-result queries
mod6: it would be interesting to see, how often inserts are happening for new key submissions versus, say, something that would facilitate a regular ui page load.
asciilifeform: mod6: they happen constantly
asciilifeform: because the Framedragger data set is pumped in 24/7.
mod6: aha.
asciilifeform: incidentally i measured the thing in between Framedragger parcels
asciilifeform: still slow.
asciilifeform: the db is intrinsic bottleneck.
mod6: are you doing row-level locking?
asciilifeform: i have nfi what that means
mod6: (my guess here, is that you're inserting heavily on the same table as you are trying to read from)
asciilifeform: well noshit
mod6: and if you're doing (what might be default in pgsql) some sort of full table locking on inserts, then that'd be something to look at.
asciilifeform: we had a thread, where mircea_popescu suggested inserting in massive batches. i will eventually implement this. but i find it offputting that EVEN THEN the IDIOTIC db will prevent me from reading !!!
asciilifeform: reading AT MOTHERFUCKING DISK SPEED as it OUGHT TO READ
asciilifeform: when told omfg.
asciilifeform: dbism stinks.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: is there a guide on making this fabled kernel module for fuckgoats?
mod6: there is a lot of configuration/tuning involved. they're picky. :/
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: no, and there is also not a ready guide on self-appendectomy
asciilifeform: mod6: i sat for whole day with the tuning. worthless.
asciilifeform: the ONE THING I ASKED FOR is not in the tunings.
asciilifeform: 'because it would be wrong' or sumthing.
mod6: fair enough.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: :( learning cliff larger than dwarf fortress. no hints? tips and tricks?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: if you haven't spent last 20yrs programming, this chore isn't for you, sadly