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BingoBoingo: Hence kinda win for Trump getting Flynn out. Lack of grabbing determination.
BingoBoingo: Forearm strength is not enough!
BingoBoingo: Military man can do pushups, but does he have it in his heart to grab the pussy and pull himself up?
phf: asciilifeform: another one of little languages for your consideration https://github.com/zserge/partcl
asciilifeform: phf: pretty lulzy, advertises 'Runs well on bare metal embedded MCUs (~10k of flash is required)' but... uses a heap
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-14#1613801 << one more for the 'if he used crypto, he might still be on his throne' list
a111: Logged on 2017-02-14 04:48 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/02/us-national-security-advisor-michael-flynn-blackmailed-into-resignation-by-us-deep-state/ << Qntra - US National Security Advisor Michael Flynn Blackmailed Into Resignation By US "Deep State"
shinohai: !~later tell mod6 please republish the pherkin tests for me plox thx
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: not really asciilifeform ; the russians made no secret of it.
mircea_popescu: it's not like he was some sort of person, with whom you'd want to meet ~for him~. nobody wants to meet with michael flynn for michael flynn, and this includes his own offspring, let alone people who are actually somebody.
mircea_popescu: the only reason they'd meet with him was if it would count ; much like the only reason you take kim's ass out is if you can then put it on your twinstagram
mircea_popescu: for it to count it can't be denied, which comes down to, because michael flynn contains nothing, encryption doesn't help him in any way.
mircea_popescu: which speaks directly to the greater point : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-06#1611824
a111: Logged on 2017-02-06 17:27 mircea_popescu: Reuel the notion that "the world" somehow "exists" and it is incumbent for reality to "convince it" thus getting that supposed world which somehow exists to empower actual reality is rank nonsense.
mircea_popescu: "i can't see how crypto relates to me" is exactly how phantoms say "i think i mgiht be a phantom masquerading as a person". they're usually right, too.
mircea_popescu: and in other "stop this motherfucking spaceship i want to get off", try and find a youtube tannenbaum that's not fucking lyrical to saccharine proportions.
mircea_popescu: what the everloving fuck is wrong with these dorks, from bocelli onwards. IT IS NOT A LYRICAL PIECE!!!
mircea_popescu: it's a fucking military march for chrissakes. has the last arranger left in this world died, forgotten and alone ?
lobbes: mircea_popescu, regarding lobbesbot billing for auctions: I'm assuming it should be spitting out a signed bill. Problem being that lobbesbot currently sits on VPS, and I don't want my personal signing key to reside on that box. Would it be a bad idea to sign these bills with lobbesbot's key instead?
lobbes: Other option I guess being I just keep running tabs and bill once a month or somesuch from my local box, signing from there
danielpbarron: does it need to sign things?
lobbes: No real *need*, I guess. But if we are going to be deeding these things then I figured I ought to start thinking about what that'd entail from my end
trinque: I don't see that they need to. Rather, deedbot ought to output regular deeds of the transactions it has processed in a given period (week/month)
trinque: lobbes: there will be a human operator running the auction, right?
mircea_popescu: lobbes it having own key seems logical to me
mircea_popescu: trinque notrly.
trinque: a ok
mircea_popescu: thatr's kind of the gain, since the bot is active minimum auction went from ~1mn ecu (bout 10 bux) to 5% that.
danielpbarron: i was thinking a signed thing per auction for the bidder/auctioneer to do something with
danielpbarron: thinking as in, i thought that's what you were talking about; not that i think it's needed
trinque: mircea_popescu: so if the whole thing gets signed, something like this? >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZG1n8/?raw=true
trinque: where signer is the intended recipient of funds
danielpbarron: what is the purpose of a signature? generally i mean. because as I understand it, if the goal isn't to make the text public, it is possible to achieve whatever you want through 2 decryptions in the place of 1 signature
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron it's an invoice. the idea is you pay to run an auction.
mircea_popescu: yeah trinque something like that. we'd have to nail down a permanent invoice format
danielpbarron: is the invoice meant to be held against someone in public in the case they don't pay? and that's why it is signed?
mircea_popescu: and yes, singer = intended recipient ; this way lobbes can make lobbesbot a deedbot account and get paid.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron the only reason it's signed (by the bot) is so that deedbot can distinguish it from a spoof.
mircea_popescu: it's a 3 party system, see, biller, billee and banker.
trinque: I will also be piling up the signed material for my records
mircea_popescu: the problem with having unsigned invoices is that one morning you wake up and there's 2 ^ 64 invoices waiting for you.
danielpbarron: how does deedbot deal with having 2 ^ 64 up requests?
mircea_popescu: suppose you have 3 you absolutely must pay among there. i hope youbrought a big http://trilema.com/2013/and-then-i-said-to-him-jimmy/
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron > dev/null/ except if there's something in there you want. then you're sol.
trinque: lol
trinque: "WE AIN'T FOUND SHIT!"
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron make sense ?
danielpbarron: so signatures could be said to put the burden on the one making the request, as an anti-spam measure
trinque: also, the OTP dance doesn't by itself confirm that A received B's invoice as it was intended.
trinque: it was why I asked about human operator
mircea_popescu: essentially. it allows to filter the flood at the gate. if invoices are not signed then deedbot has to talk to person any time an electric interaction happens ; if they are signed person can have whitelists, deedbot need only talk to person when meaningful occurs.
danielpbarron: signature doesn't confirm that either
mircea_popescu: the whole point of republican activity being to leverage computing power to protect wetware circuitry as much as feasible and no more.
trinque: danielpbarron: specifically in transit; I can't control what goes on in your castle, nor you in mine.
danielpbarron: the otp is functionally the same as a signature for the purpose of keeping text unmollested, and also the same in that neither can ensure a message is ever actually received
trinque: elaborate on that "is"
trinque: I get unsigned text, I give you an encrypted OTP; how then are you to know that OTP corresponds on my end to an unmodified copy of your invoice?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron ie, you'd rather lobbesbot says something to deedbot, then !!v's ?
trinque: I had already considered this, and one avenue there was to put the invoice data back into the encrypted challenge
trinque: that adds a step on lobbesbot's side that's unnecessary
danielpbarron: i'm trying to understand when a signature is prefered over a handshake of encrypted unsigned texts
trinque: sure, explaining.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which trinque : it's somewhat dubious you send plain otps. you should send request.string+otp.
danielpbarron: trinque, yeah the reply contains the first message plus the responce. 3rd message (if needed) contains text of 2nd message, and so on..
trinque: aha, I will change that.
trinque: we're pretty close to me bringing in an updated version of the bot
danielpbarron: that is, 3rd message only needs to contain the reply part of the 2nd message. it's not necessary to keep the entire conversation
mircea_popescu: i don't think there's anything fundamentally wrong with the otp approach as opposed to the signature approach tbh.
trinque: testing currently in #trilema-trinque
trinque: mircea_popescu: just means that lobbesbot must have state which keeps track of requests sent, then matches them to incoming OTP, then sends OTP if ==
mircea_popescu: yes, it's no longer fire-and-forget to bill.
mircea_popescu: contrairiwise, there's not a lbockchain, ie, ever-growing pile of signed data
mircea_popescu: trinque understand the problem with "I will also be piling up the signed material for my records" : if during your lifespan you manage to lose eg a 30yo hdd, because you've built a reviewable system those txn will be reviewable. are you on the hook now for refunds ?
mircea_popescu: if yes the system's unbound, if no then why the fuck even bother, just do otp from get-go.
trinque: hm, yeah. there's a good argument against building a shitty blockchain here.
mircea_popescu: blockchain technology chiefly consists of knowing when NOT to implement one.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: yellen still planning to raise rates
mircea_popescu: is this good for magacoin ?
ben_vulpes: i think i found some great again in my butthairs last night
mircea_popescu: dingleagain
ben_vulpes: make my butthole great again, baby
mircea_popescu: i... i didn't know you swung that way
ben_vulpes: hey, wiping one's own ass is for poorfags
mircea_popescu: yes but making it great is for proper fags eh.
ben_vulpes: wouldn't really know! just crackin wize
mircea_popescu: did your irc just write checks your mabha can't squash ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've been digging for the thread where we discussed CFB ('cipher block chaining'), the infamous penguin, etc. but could not find
a111: Logged on 2016-12-24 01:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all schemes where the transform is of 'payload itself' and 0 entropy, suffer from immediate 'penguin problem', https://blog.filippo.io/content/images/2015/11/Tux_ecb.jpg .
asciilifeform: i found that one. but i thought there was also another where i suggested a sideways cut of the knot
mircea_popescu: i vaguely remember this
asciilifeform: specifically, for every byte you intend to send, you instead send two: x, y. which you generate by obtaining rng byte r, and payload byte b, and x := b xor r, y := r
asciilifeform: you encipher the x1,x2,.....x_n with one key, and the y1,y2...y_n with another.
mircea_popescu: what happens if i find x y and xor em ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you do this every time, after you decrypt the x- and y- blocks.
asciilifeform: to get the original payload.
asciilifeform: what we've done here is to destroy the structure of the penguin
asciilifeform: without chaining the blockcipher's blocks
mircea_popescu: ie better padding ?
asciilifeform: not only.
asciilifeform: each block ciphrator is now eating what is individually a trng stream.
mircea_popescu: that;s definitionally "better padding" neh?
asciilifeform: right, but this is not normally where 'padding' is used. but yes.
asciilifeform: so the win is, since you dispense with feedback, you can parallelize encipher and decipher, blockwise.
mircea_popescu: provided your rng is good.
asciilifeform: at least one of the losses, however, is that you now need a serious rng on the transmitter.
mircea_popescu: actually : the quality of the rng is the limit on the parallelization.
asciilifeform: and you are also limited now to its bit rate.
asciilifeform: there is no limit to the parallelization (it is exactly (bytes in paylod)/(the block size of the cipher) threads ) but you cannot generate a new ciphertext any faster than your rng will give it to you.
asciilifeform: the good news is that you can stack up as many rng as you like...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well yes, exactly.
Reuel: Anyway, loved the plumber stories!
Reuel: Riled me up
mircea_popescu: wassat ?
Reuel: the link? it is the beauty of diversity and the power of friendship
Reuel: hte main ingredients of bitcoin
Reuel: but really I just wanted to say I liked the http://trilema.com/2017/the-plumbin-plumber/ and sequel
Reuel: just couldnt resist posting that video I ran into
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1010.01, vol: 6465.29193217 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 994.997, vol: 6574.49599 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1010.5, vol: 11859.53838786 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 982.797088, vol: 6661.63570000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1012.999, vol: 1909.52092443 | Volume-weighted last average: 1001.98900183
BingoBoingo: That stabilitit
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/02/14/status-isnt-a-zero-sum-attention-game/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Status isn’t a zero-sum attention game.
mircea_popescu: hey, nice header.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, 'US President Donald Trump has been tough on Russia and expects Moscow to “return” the Crimea peninsula to Ukraine, the White House spokesman told reporters.'
asciilifeform: '"President Trump has made it very clear that he expects the Russian government to de-escalate violence in the Ukraine and return Crimea," Spicer said at the daily news briefing on Tuesday. “At the same time, he fully expects to – and wants to – get along with Russia."'
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: cheers. photo was taken on first trip to europe. house exchange in denmark/germany in the days before airbnb.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: i profit little from things that other people say they plan to do. you also can't dress today for tomorrow's weather.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: just trying to cheer you up, buddy!
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: haha you're very sweet
mircea_popescu: o hey, this should be interesting.
ben_vulpes: !!up mike_c
deedbot: mike_c voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: you there, boss?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: his ghost ship has been orbiting for ages
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: hope springs eternal
ben_vulpes: a man may be forgiven the odd transmission to otherwise apparently derelict friends' vessels
ben_vulpes: if only join/parts weren't so frequently so spammy; it'd be nicely contextual for eg the previous conversation in logs
asciilifeform: in other lulz, supposedly fuhrer of northkr finally had his half-brother poisoned:
asciilifeform: 'Malaysian police official Fadzil Ahmat told The Star that Mr Kim had alerted a receptionist, saying "someone had grabbed him from behind and splashed a liquid on his face". But quoted by Malaysian news agency Bernama, the same official said a woman had come at him from behind and "covered his face with a cloth laced with a liquid". Earlier reports spoke of a "spray" being used or a needle. His eyes "suffered burns as a result of the
asciilifeform: liquid", Fadzil Ahmat told Bernama, and he died on the way to hospital in nearby Putrajaya.'
asciilifeform: ^ this rumour is interesting to asciilifeform because he is unaware of any poison that fits this description that would not equally endanger the wielder
BingoBoingo: Maybe endangering weilder is part of the point?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 1 corpse
BingoBoingo: Weilder willing to die for kimchi fuhrer
BingoBoingo: 1 corpse people makes new, other dies later?
asciilifeform: fwiw i am unaware of a poison where (supposing it was strictly wet-rag delivery) you get this.
asciilifeform: perhaps mircea_popescu can think of one.
BingoBoingo: Or anything else mixed with enough DMSO
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if dmso, there'd be a dead medic or two
asciilifeform: and afaik there was not
BingoBoingo: Only if medic got solution on skin. DMSO itself is not mega poison, just mega transporter through skin
asciilifeform: we had dmso thread, sure
a111: Logged on 2013-11-13 14:20 asciilifeform: we had a beautifully-educational incident with DMSO
asciilifeform: the 'burns' part suggests hf.
BingoBoingo: The early "spray" and "needle" reports way also be true. Perhaps assassins did multiple poisons and administration routes.
asciilifeform: seems like a bother.
asciilifeform: (unless you're fulfilling contract on, e.g., rasputin)
BingoBoingo: If your are loyal Best Korean, how is the Fallen Scion of dear leader different from Mr. Morningstar who taunted Elliot in the hell that was Isla Vista.
BingoBoingo: HF to face for burns and calcium channel disruption and distraction to sneak other calcium channel disruptor into butt.
BingoBoingo: Slow HF face burns force closed vs open casket dilemma as passage of time biases towards closed casket
mircea_popescu: eh, dude prolly grabbed some pussy, got wine to face.
BingoBoingo: Make Korea Great Again!!!
ben_vulpes: good for them
ben_vulpes: if only there were an ounce of "prove it" left in america.
ben_vulpes: hang 'em on hearsay i guess
trinque: probably had nonzero amount to do with him being black
trinque: the parent probably looks at too many of those SUPERIOR AFRICAN SEED pictures
ben_vulpes: baww, oroville damn evacuation lifted
BingoBoingo: Seems a bit early...
ben_vulpes: right?
ben_vulpes: so "baww" but perhaps the lols compound
ben_vulpes: and by lols i mean deaths-by-bureaucrat
trinque: this site's pretty good
mircea_popescu: i like the "pagespeed" setting
BingoBoingo: !~google "kankakee torrent"
mircea_popescu: at least they're honest.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Kankakee Torrent - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kankakee_Torrent>; KANKAKEE TORRENT - Emporia State University: <http://academic.emporia.edu/aberjame/student/decinque1/kankeejd.html>; Kankakee Torrent and other Sheet Flooding - Cintos.org: <http://cintos.org/SaginawManifold/Saginaw_Bay/Torrents/index.html>
mircea_popescu: "would you like this slow as shit or slow as snails ?"
ben_vulpes: > threatened to run over one of the deputies with a baby stroller
ben_vulpes: well now i gotta see this f350 of baby strollers
ben_vulpes: i don't have enough compenstors on the ground yet apparently if there's a baby stroller type to be had
mircea_popescu: ahahaha in the best lulz odf all time, chelsea clinton has political ambitions.
mircea_popescu: (we know this because the ~only portion of the donkey party still standing, ie the socialists that tried to push sanders failfully, are VERY butthurt at the notion.)
asciilifeform: !~later tell ben_vulpes your client is leaking ip
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
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