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mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599017 << in most of europe you're not even allowed to do this.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 03:32 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo : if/when my auto gives up the ghost, i'm getting another ~2003, and not because cheap, but because wtf omfg firmware?!
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 04:16 BingoBoingo does not have time to watch advertising videos unless they are selling black girl pussy.
BingoBoingo: Can't let Petrus win!
mircea_popescu: lol fighting petrus by penis ?
BingoBoingo: But women collecting.
BingoBoingo: Gotta beat Petrus by taking his women.
ben_vulpes: !!up liquidassets
deedbot: liquidassets voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: where you been
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: did you ever figure out the source of the spuriata?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: musta missed that firmware recall but tbh honda was never in toyota's league. this honda issue merely reinforces the hierarchy. all is not lost for jp. far from it.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: that was kinda my joke to him. dude can't afford a house in sv (but who can) so buys $100k suv. hell, makes for better date nights than 250sft loft shared with two other bros.
mircea_popescu: !#s spuriata
mircea_popescu: da fuck is that ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: spurious factors
mircea_popescu: vagina dentata, lorica segmentata, res spuriata ?
mircea_popescu: makes sense i guess!
trinque: asciilifeform: I'm back, glass of wine in hand
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski given the sardine living situation and the sad but true levels of machismo in the great swamp, it's a wonder gangbangs aren't the normative accuplation method.
pete_dushenski: too busy pounding github's pussy to bother
pete_dushenski: MUST POUND MORE PUSHES! ONE MORE THRUST!
trinque: I hope you're wrapping it up; that thing's not sanitary
mircea_popescu: incidentally, it's an arrangement a lot more common than generally realised. and not just in the us - most underclass parties consist of hiring one whore for a platoon and fucking her among beer breaks, until daybreak. consequently most cheap whores are well used to "the party of men".
pete_dushenski: trinque: i watched 'sausage party' last night. talking condom was easily creepiest character.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I hadn't caught up to your witty retort yet
trinque: asciilifeform: RSS back on.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: that this ~isn't~ the norm in maga-land is cause of no small degree of sexual frustration, which manifests in everything from mommy issues to passive aggressiveness
pete_dushenski: but maybe those are the same thing.
mircea_popescu: i said normative. ie, that derpy romcoms aren't using it as "the way".
pete_dushenski: they most certainly aren't, at least last i checked maybe a decade ago
pete_dushenski: can't imagine the situation has ameliorated since
trinque: !!v A479D2A3AB52EE4BD3E7E878A10ECF337E31F962EAB411E59FD25FB03554DFA9
deedbot: trinque rated Framedragger 2 << patient, charitable guy
trinque: that's about all I have to say about those logs.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: 2003 isn't a bad cut-off for cars manufacturing date. most recent news i heard was that nvidia was teaming up with audi for their next-gen vehicles and that some of the higher-end german models (though not just audi) have upwards of 100 ecus.
phf: nvidia??
mircea_popescu: he is nice, isn't he.
pete_dushenski has seen 'virtual cockpit' in new audi s3. it's rather nifty even if i wouldn't want to own it.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: let me guess, blue light everywhere
ben_vulpes: screens with no gamma correction
ben_vulpes: zero regard for night vision of driver
ben_vulpes: not "correction", but "yellowing" if it makes less of a ffs
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: actually whole dash turns into map. not overly distracting. big wow-factor. very responsive graphics.
ben_vulpes: heh this is how the industry moves to automated cars
ben_vulpes: they make the non automated cars utterly unsafe to drive
mircea_popescu: could be.
ben_vulpes: yes please, random screen twiddling in my peripheral vision while i drive
ben_vulpes: yes please, blue light and screens at night while i drive
mircea_popescu: it's not altogether a bad plan, monkeys utterly unable to resist shiny
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you may be amused, rumor suggests mandatory backup cams in the near future
ben_vulpes: there will be no escaping computers and screens and soi-disant 'cockpits'
ben_vulpes: and to think, i left an entire industry because one engineer at the firm when questioned about wasting money on a brand new vw microshitbox said "i just think everyone should own a brand new car once in their lifetime"
ben_vulpes: and now, i will likely never buy a new vehicle.
liquidassets: ben_vulpes assuming you were talking to me just getting back from a 3 week vacation, back to South Cascadia. I'm going to go read through your blog, haven't spent much time there yet, but looks like a new look? Cheers.
mircea_popescu: mandatory cam in car eh ? stop dem darn kids fucking in there! and smoking too!
ben_vulpes: liquidassets: nah, just haven't seen you in the forum for a while up until that connection.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it points *backwards*
ben_vulpes: but yeah, possibly a market for "cloud-backup" dash/full 360 streaming hardware
ben_vulpes: lol fuckin gross pete_dushenski
ben_vulpes: gimme back my tach and speedo
ben_vulpes: there are 2 important readings in a car, and one of 'em can be had from your butt.
phf: hehe, girl spent minutes once hunting through menus because was so pissed off at camera potentially putting in question her backing skills..
ben_vulpes: speed, and how hard the engine is working.
phf: it was a vacation rental..
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: on the topic of dashboards, $bzprtnr got a 2012 wrx
ben_vulpes: best thing about the car?
ben_vulpes: passenger cannot see speedo.
ben_vulpes: 2nd best thing about car?
ben_vulpes: NO FUCKING SCREENS
ben_vulpes: 3rd would be the turbo
ben_vulpes: bitch /pulls/
liquidassets: I'm around, mostly trying to keep up. Doin my thing, thanks for saying what's up.
ben_vulpes: still, plastic nightmare of a modern car.
ben_vulpes waves at $bzprtnr
ben_vulpes: CLIM CLIM CLIM
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: even $100k lexus suffers from plastikitis, esp in doors compared to classic benzo
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: dude it's everywhere
gabriel_laddel_p: pete_dushenski: okay, now what about the Cayman GT4?
ben_vulpes: aren't porsches like a cheap expensive watch?
ben_vulpes: see ya round liquidassets
gabriel_laddel_p: nfi, let's hear from the expert.
ben_vulpes: something lawyers buy to feel like not-new-money?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: and does your $bzprtnr actually read logs ??! fuck me if i new anyone in meatspace who read these. not that i'd be embarrased but that i'd have so much more in common with them!
ben_vulpes: with decent frequency
pete_dushenski: gabriel_laddel_p: well whaddya wanna know about them ? and were you actually satisfied by my answer re: cayenne ??
ben_vulpes: if i tell him there was an ice or crypto or ruin of usg thread he'll eat a few weeks in one sitting
gabriel_laddel_p: pete_dushenski: not even slightly. I wanted to know your thoughts. How do you /feel/ about it.
ben_vulpes: bbl, unholy quantities of meat have arrived
gabriel_laddel_p: pete_dushenski: does it do anything for you on a visceral level
pete_dushenski: gabriel_laddel_p: lol! what am i, a efnj ?
pete_dushenski doesn't see how cayenne can make anyone's blood pump.
pete_dushenski: cayman gt4 would never be kicked out of bed however
gabriel_laddel_p: that's _fucking exactly_ my own thoughts
gabriel_laddel_p: I saw the gt4 the other day and... no car has ever tugged at my soul before
pete_dushenski: with the caveat... for a new porsche. in the breed, in the class, it's a tight, sexy, and sorta unrivaled package. selling over list last i checked too.
pete_dushenski: could i think of better ways to spend ? $125k or whatever a gt4 is ? sure. but /me can still barely fathom whether gabriel_laddel_p is sitting on inheritence or if he expects masamune to be ~that~ big a success or if he's poster shopping for bedroom ceiling.
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: I have done very little to CLIM the library thus far - mostly creating, organizing and DOCUMENTING examples of what one can do with it.
pete_dushenski guiltily plays 'someday i'll buy x' game and doesn't begrudge others who do similarly
gabriel_laddel_p: pete_dushenski: have you ever wanted your car to list off a bunch of facts scraped from the web when you cross into a new jurisdiction?
gabriel_laddel_p: like, population count, size of government, estimated GB of total law, # of sheriff, police, murders, rapes, assults etc?
gabriel_laddel_p: spoken to you via a "siri" type thing that doesn't suck?
pete_dushenski: i have never wanted this, no.
gabriel_laddel_p: oh okay, well anyways that's the train of thought I'm exploring.
pete_dushenski: interesting. i guess i'd be skeptical of the source of the info at the very least.
pete_dushenski: also, of your list, only population is a curious itch i'd want to scratch. the rest is sorta neither here nor there if i'm passing through on a road trip or what have you
trinque: porsche may produce one car.
trinque: these fucking SUVs and sedans and whatever, the fuck?
trinque: yes because must mass market soccer mom everything
pete_dushenski: trinque: economies of scale.
pete_dushenski: also, lotsa people with money live where it's miserably cold most of the time. why let other companies sell you a winter vehicle ?
pete_dushenski: should mazda also only make miata because every else they make is garbage by comparison, even if it's class leading in a number of cases ?
pete_dushenski: or vw only make gti ? or ford only f-150 ?
trinque: dad had a beautiful '79 911 for a good while
trinque: I'm heavily biased
pete_dushenski: can't blame you there
pete_dushenski: https://youtu.be/0OJjvYPV3oc?t=1m26s << yet another reason to avoid newer german cars (yes, the reich-gripped really are the worst offenders) : all-led lights. not just led drl and halogen/xenon high beams. the entire corners of cars will soon be led clusters with sophisticated programming that will selectively block light from shining in the eyes of on-coming traffic for example
phf: what a time to be alive
pete_dushenski: now, to waterbath (not prince) and bed
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/361913D8979B694069198CEA08D18AC8C76B935CB3B788954720AB0EA76555E2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1017...4543 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '197.221.53.230 (ssh-rsa key from 197.221.53.230 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown ZA)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/689DD6526FE5FD7061CC870C3AEE48708AB19FB63255BEEAF69C76E8EB275D85 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1017...4543 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '162.221.201.243 (ssh-rsa key from 162.221.201.243 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CA BC)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/26CD3C2757BFF9669BD855ABC65060F16D18FDB7B80BA8496EB392C5A1F1BFB3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1108...0427 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '184.23.183.157 (ssh-rsa key from 184.23.183.157 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (184-23-183-157.dynamic.dsl.mlode.com. US CA)
ben_vulpes: fuuuuuck pete that's a truck
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6DEC7B012B39890A0325453579049FC94061796B14A0C8ED61E4D575B26D4FB3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1393...9869 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '75.126.180.248 (ssh-rsa key from 75.126.180.248 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (adfotain.net. US TX)
ben_vulpes: LET THE PHUCTORING RESUME
ben_vulpes: in other meat, holy shiksa brisket buttman
ben_vulpes: #clim report, day whatever: #clim appears to be 90% join/part spam from reineisch, 9% j/p from others, and 1% this beach feller saying "good morning everyone"
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BCC50E7FFDDD45A5928D7D7375C2E01383174DA0A3B8C3113464B3D09D7F35A0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1777...3113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '38.96.44.244 (ssh-rsa key from 38.96.44.244 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (CSR749SBC-InFi-HuBe-Or-Ca-c2932-Love2Learn-FW. US CA)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A71B5781B8BBAD9214FDE34ACCE621D3B5AA118EB962DF1814FD7D26BFFC7AF8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1713...0837 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '37.200.229.133 (ssh-rsa key from 37.200.229.133 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown OM)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/34F88784CBE3A1C9FE5FC15F8FF3E193F70A1E08FE7611EC5614D071F848BBAD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1596...4093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.164.4.178 (ssh-rsa key from 213.164.4.178 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.a-trust.at. AT 9)
trinque: http://i.imgur.com/gl2SCbX.jpg << speaking of toyota trucks, bought this guy
trinque: fucking love the thing, roars, moves lesser machines to the side as if by magic.
trinque: that is beautiful paint on the land cruiser.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9DC8E3EC0B9017F6F08B1D8C0CC0EAE96DCA4F5E0EDC4DCFEC6757F3F65775EA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1778...9907 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '163.5.81.105 (ssh-rsa key from 163.5.81.105 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (candidature.epitech.eu. FR J 94)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/163690110BB2F01EE38E324C90C6FB9BA5AED5D15A8C51E69FBF8B1803EC5626 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1623...3623 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.42.115.88 (ssh-rsa key from 195.42.115.88 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (doofaberglucklich. DE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/40776E84A758AD819BF5F53DF459608C36946FE1F78EFA384C381205876A22CE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1703...8633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '113.35.199.71 (ssh-rsa key from 113.35.199.71 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (113x35x199x71.ap113.ftth.ucom.ne.jp. JP 13)
ben_vulpes: i realize in this moment that i did not miss the phuctorings.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AE6B4639A4016CFD59C865FD786F5D2437E49B15DD9C9EB41E6143642FCB5EAC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1673...9827 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.31.229.178 (ssh-rsa key from 195.31.229.178 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown IT)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F035B7DD7EBC023C9A24740A9F3C48EA8F895047D43806B4CA7835ACCB3E4288 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1767...4409 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.62.236.67 (ssh-rsa key from 93.62.236.67 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (93-62-236-67.ip24.fastwebnet.it. IT TO 21)
ben_vulpes: aha, i have made a mistake!
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/patches/ircbot-multiple-channels and http://btcbase.org/patches/logbot-multiple-channels were ground diffing directories a/ and b/ with the relevant files therein, and the genesis patches for both trees ground from directories called 'ircbot' and 'logbot' respectively containing the relevant files
ben_vulpes: s/passive voice/active voice
ben_vulpes: trinque may confirm: i believe that this is due to asciilifeform grinding (trb-)genesis.vpatch from an a/ and b/ containing a directory 'bitcoin'
ben_vulpes: and trinque following precedent
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2398E0817D454688D06524E1B99CCE125A5E4D5E4DB5FBEFBE1BBE65BDA99AB4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1785...9937 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '150.187.4.208 (ssh-rsa key from 150.187.4.208 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown VE A)
ben_vulpes: now, the patches apply cleanly if the patch utility is not passed -p1, but this makes for much floppiness.
ben_vulpes: a question i have been wondering about for long is "why does the trb tree sit in a 'bitcoin' directory, wherever it's pressed", but it is not particularly irrelevant.
ben_vulpes: so duh, vdiff does not guarantee patches will be sensible in a v tree, and it is incumbent upon a patch-grinder to ensure their patches actually apply cleanly.
ben_vulpes: i don't know what sort of apology is due here as clearly nobody has ever even tried to apply those patches through a strict v, but i'm still going to go slam my head in a door until i get some of the stupid out
ben_vulpes: psa: always press your vpatches
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 01:10 ben_vulpes: hey ovh why does it take more than fifteen seconds to charge a cc? what do you use, bitcoin?
ben_vulpes: v timely, ty davout
davout: told you online.net was eating ovh's lunch
ben_vulpes: you said "online is ovh's waifu" and i said "i have nfi what that oldfag gibberish means"
davout: i saud "<davout> online is basically fucking ovh's waifu"
ben_vulpes: yeah i see where i misread there now.
davout: maybe not very clear
davout: but either way
ben_vulpes: i did ask for clarification though
davout: ovh is a french company, stands for "on vous héberge" and are basically the niggers of the hosting business here in france
ben_vulpes: cheap lesson, no harm incurred so far.
davout: run by octave klaba, some fatso who has an extremely strong karpeles-like aura
ben_vulpes: funny, i had that thought when his photo went by in a link earlier today
davout: they got their passord reset interface haxxored sometime in 2013
davout: "oh, guess only the last few characters of the password reset token are actually random"
ben_vulpes: great
davout: ah, this article doesn't really elaborate on the OVH part I guess
netmonk: the main issue with ovh is their ddos anti system
netmonk: difficult to deal with massive ddos for a stratum based protocol
davout: netmonk: the main issue with ovh is that they are niggers. unfit to do whatever they're postering as doing
ben_vulpes: i like the notion of an anti-system
netmonk: as cloudflare isnt working well with it.
netmonk: online has arbornetwork, and this solution is very efficient with ddos and stratum
netmonk: ben_vulpes: sorry, not enough caffein right not, "anti-ddos system"
netmonk: to make it short : ovh is good for hosting wp blog, online for the rest :)
netmonk: davout: but, at least, they run a very big platform, and they reach a very good state of automation, with fast CI.
netmonk: i dont know much on their custemer support and product
netmonk: but on the backstage part, they have very interesting point and technology in use
netmonk: you dont manage 500k servers like you manage the 10 servers of paymium
netmonk: to make it short !
davout: i never claimed to be in the hosting business wtf
deedbot: http://cascadianhacker.com/correction-multiple-channel-patches-for-irclogbot << CH - CORRECTION: multiple channel patches for irc/logbot
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594569 && http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594581 << since most of those are 502s, yes those URLs can be exempted - i am a bit wary of introducing blacklist / ad hoc rules - after all, those phuctor URLs can later be re-archived, what's the pain - but maybe it's strainful to phuctor?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-31 03:55 asciilifeform: i recommend to exempt it from the usual treatment, trinque et al, until i invent some radically new mechanism for the thing to work on, instead of postgres.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-31 03:56 asciilifeform: somebody is
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599242 << the last car i owned was e200. which i think is still in production and also a fine car in all respects.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 05:50 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: even $100k lexus suffers from plastikitis, esp in doors compared to classic benzo
mircea_popescu: course ytou can't get the nice w200s faces anymore i don't think. because fucking "progress"
mircea_popescu: before that, s class, the nice 500 90s series, but then it went to shit.
mircea_popescu: (these i used to buy like bitcoins in the early 2000s, possibly best car ever made.)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599268 << no. for the low low cost of adding a woman to sit next to the woman driving, i could have implemented this years ago. but honestly if the car came so equipped i'd fucking shoot the siri girl to fix the car. horrible fucking idea.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 05:59 gabriel_laddel_p: spoken to you via a "siri" type thing that doesn't suck?
mircea_popescu: and it's not ~just~ a horrible idea. it comes from a thorougly broken thought process. i'm not in fuckign school, to be informed via a push interface. i am an adult, i will pull for what i want. the only thing the world may do or should do is spread WHEN I SAY. and at no other point.
mircea_popescu: sex, food, knowledge, anything. i'll pull and don't fucking dare push anything on me. ever.
mircea_popescu: this formalizes the problem with guis, "oh but mp, did you know you can italicize text ???" yes bitch, i fucking know about text italicizing. "no but maybe you forgot, here's a 60x60 pixel square on your screen shooting photons at your retina 60/60/24/7 so you remember". what the fuck am i supposed to be, a frog ? that my brain has no remanence, entirely powered off the visual field ?
mircea_popescu: i don't need a fucking power button to recall i can turn off the box, i can type shutdown just fine.
mircea_popescu: and the other thing : that entire "it is unclear whether people aiming to make an artificial friend have seriously considered the much cheaper, ordinary kind" which i can't fucking find in the log for some reason goes A LOT deeper than generally realised. it's not "oh, i'm not discussing ai so it's not about me". yes, IT IS about you. if the software you're contemplating aims to take fifty hours of engineer work to replace fi
mircea_popescu: ve hours of 20yo receptionist work, you're smack drab in the middle of exactly it. (and see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-25#1285777 )
a111: Logged on 2015-09-25 21:50 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285635 << exactly the wrong kind of fucking ai. a) not actually intelligent ; b) negative - the last thing i fucking want to see is mechanically powered women nagging ; c) not self contained - at least the stupid nag you can beat into the ground.
mircea_popescu: phf any idea on how to replicate Framedragger 's logger multiline selection thing without the hassle ? maybe something like "first click, highlights line ; second click, highlights area ; third click, highlights line within area" or such ?
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 13:54 mircea_popescu: and the other thing : that entire "it is unclear whether people aiming to make an artificial friend have seriously considered the much cheaper, ordinary kind" which i can't fucking find in the log for some reason goes A LOT deeper than generally realised. it's not "oh, i'm not discussing ai so it's not about me". yes, IT IS about you. if the software you're contemplating aims to take fifty hours of engineer work to replace fi
mircea_popescu: turns out that his thing is actually very useful when quoting towards the periphery.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ty!
Framedragger: see i told you it'd be useful ;)
Framedragger: fwiw i had the first click + second click => range thing but it confused you (and others) into accidentally selecting ranges unintentionally. third click may make sense..
mircea_popescu: Framedragger but do it like that you know, nude url + click -> highlights that line ; highlighted line url + click -> highlights between the two. like a state machine based on url schema
asciilifeform: 'It is my opinion that the fans of this family of hardware/vaporware, consistent advocates of The New Age of Computing, have serious AI problems. Here's a sample quote on cellular automata: "I guess they really are like us." Well, if you want to build a computing device in order to have a relationship with it, maybe a cellular automaton will do the trick. Although I'd recommend to first check the fine selection of Homo Sapiens we have
asciilifeform: features you'd like in a friend, a foe, a spouse or an employee already built-in, while computer hardware has a certain gap to fill in this department.'
mircea_popescu: Framedragger no problem is you did it on the same page. add url-based state.
mircea_popescu: this is the fundamental idiocy of "responsive" "2.0" web, ajax etc : the fucking model is 1 page = 1 state. that's the only sane way to have state over stateless http
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: so you mean that if one were to click on a line which falls in a previously-selected range (of highlighted lines), the anchor would be adjusted but the overall highlight range would be preserved, too?
mircea_popescu: and i must be able to figure out the state by looking at the url, which is why POST is not better than GET but much, MUCH worse, and why it was pushed as part of "ssl", typical usg-tardism
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i do.
Framedragger: (because that'd make sense; anchor always remaining on the first line of range is not always intuitive)
mircea_popescu: and if they click outside the range, go back to state 1
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599385 << thought the same when i was implementing this, hence one also being able to manually define range which imo is mandatory requirement. no hidden state
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 15:11 mircea_popescu: and i must be able to figure out the state by looking at the url, which is why POST is not better than GET but much, MUCH worse, and why it was pushed as part of "ssl", typical usg-tardism
mircea_popescu can;'t fucking believe we're stuck importing 1996 www and forking it ffs.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger yeah but typing-into-urlbar is distress signal.
mircea_popescu: rule #1 of mp-ux
Framedragger: well i had it turned on until it pissed you off, so now it's manual-only. but you're right re. third-click adjusting anchor, maybe that's what's missing. would indeed be useful to see this in btcbase logs
Framedragger: (i'd use it, too)
Framedragger: (argument against this is that it does import a bit of complexity, of course)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger may be my weird set-up, but in my memory your page never worked as described here ?
mircea_popescu: oooohhh i know wtf it was! see, what it was was this : you DID have it this way, but then i'd highlight one line or follow someone else's highlight, and i'd RIGHT CLICK another line, and this'd result in a range.
Framedragger: right click??
mircea_popescu: whereas my intention was to result in a new single line highlight. yes yes i see.
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's what the fuck it was.
Framedragger: indeed
Framedragger: only way to unset range was to click on line above range
mircea_popescu: dude, so clicking and copying a link are semantically separate in my head but obviously the same thing to browser.
Framedragger: then it'd raturn to stage 1
Framedragger: brb food
mircea_popescu: am i the only one incidentally, who sees this separation ?
mircea_popescu: in an attempt to fix/improve republican infrastructure, mircea_popescu discovered his head is broken.
Framedragger: eh well, an 'unset range' button (or range manipulation buttons) would help. (but then, those'd work over POST, so hidden state..)
mircea_popescu: anyway, that's why i got so fucking furious.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599354 << let it be as it was, at the usual rate of phuctoring, it is not an issue
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 13:26 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594569 && http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594581 << since most of those are 502s, yes those URLs can be exempted - i am a bit wary of introducing blacklist / ad hoc rules - after all, those phuctor URLs can later be re-archived, what's the pain - but maybe it's strainful to phuctor?
asciilifeform: (handful in a day)
asciilifeform: and if it becomes an issue, i'll throttle the output on my end. (and some time quite soon i will be putting a series of db tweaks in, as recommended by various folx here)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger how about adding a &middot; in between timestamp and speaker, so that timestamp is still lined as now, but the dot is linked to make range ?
mircea_popescu: ( Framedragger and if you work on it, moving away from the "<name> " to the bolded-name-colon convention would also be very nice.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 07:59 ben_vulpes: so duh, vdiff does not guarantee patches will be sensible in a v tree, and it is incumbent upon a patch-grinder to ensure their patches actually apply cleanly.
mircea_popescu: ( Framedragger and also, hour ticks in the shape of a <hr /> ; and also - gray out the bot lines.)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599369 << interestingly, the americans put an electric nag, 'bitching betty', in the f16. but iirc it only switches on if you're doing something lethally stupid .
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 13:54 mircea_popescu: ve hours of 20yo receptionist work, you're smack drab in the middle of exactly it. (and see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-25#1285777 )
mircea_popescu: the reasoning hopefully being that by then, rage can't possibly hurt anything.
asciilifeform: it utters phrases like 'trajectory meets ground in 10 seconds' etc.
mircea_popescu: fighter jet being on trajectory that flies into terrain in 10 seconds is exactly the opposite of lethally stupid.
mircea_popescu: it's not a fucking airliner.
mircea_popescu: and there is to this day no better missile defense than air-ground effects.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: ack
asciilifeform: 10 is a bit pushing it. but IANAP.
mircea_popescu: &thumbsup;
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599416 << so only the dot would create/alter ranges, right? aha sounds good
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 15:20 mircea_popescu: Framedragger how about adding a &middot; in between timestamp and speaker, so that timestamp is still lined as now, but the dot is linked to make range ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform most "under radar" missions are "if you stall, you also die"
asciilifeform: this , yes
mircea_popescu: Framedragger the dot would create range, if a line is already highlighted.
mircea_popescu: and remove range, otherwise
Framedragger: right. sounds clean to me
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599301 << davout: any idea what is 'epitech' ? this box is live, appears to be its job appl. portal.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 07:34 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9DC8E3EC0B9017F6F08B1D8C0CC0EAE96DCA4F5E0EDC4DCFEC6757F3F65775EA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1778...9907 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '163.5.81.105 (ssh-rsa key from 163.5.81.105 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (candidature.epitech.eu. FR J 94)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well it's a big thing, because if you're off radar you can be targetted by individual experts carrying 3 to 8 shots each ; and if you're on the radar you can be targetted by technicians carrying 64 to 256 shots each.
Framedragger: (before, i had this idea of user being able to alter ranges very simply; but obviously there was the whole confusion of "i want to alter anchor" vs. "i want to alter range" function when clicking on timestamp, which sucked.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall belenko, the runaway d00d? famously longest off-radar run, flew to jp at, what was it, 10m above ocean
mircea_popescu: some,thing like that yeah.
mircea_popescu: and "10m over ocean" is you know... ONE WAVE getting close enough to spray in your intake and it's bye bye
mircea_popescu: Framedragger yeah, and i didn't even realise at the time wtf was happening.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599298 << ahahaha trinque is such a texan. wtf is that, "couldn't decide if i want a rape van or a deer hunting truck so i got both" ?
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 07:26 trinque: http://i.imgur.com/gl2SCbX.jpg << speaking of toyota trucks, bought this guy
BingoBoingo: Trinque got a very lordly vehicle indeed
mircea_popescu: does it come with .50 caliber m2 as a factory option ?
BingoBoingo: It has bed, mounting armament is post-dealer option
BingoBoingo: Ladder frame perfect for securing weapon mount.
asciilifeform: bed looks rather small on the picture tho
mircea_popescu: yeah browning goes on roof.
mircea_popescu: booty goes on bed.
asciilifeform: there apparently exist trucks now where the bed is barely larger than ordinary car's boot
asciilifeform: a strange cargo-cultism.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599317 << eh relax, the whole point of prototyping is to prototype.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 08:02 ben_vulpes: i don't know what sort of apology is due here as clearly nobody has ever even tried to apply those patches through a strict v, but i'm still going to go slam my head in a door until i get some of the stupid out
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there apparently exist beds now where the bed is barely larger than an ordinary couch. progress, dood.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599168 << two separate sets of crapola. the 'factor == modulus' thing was on account of the way i made the debian 8ball, with (product of Ps of possible keys) being one, and (product of Qs...) being another. but there turned out to exist debianized mods where BOTH factors were drawn from Pproduct (or alternatively Qproduct) and gcd ended up equaling the mod, a case that was not (formerly) tested for
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 05:21 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: did you ever figure out the source of the spuriata?
asciilifeform: because wtf.
mircea_popescu: or even comprehended to exist.
asciilifeform: the barf wave, however, resulted from two werker runs that overwrote one another's working temp sets on disk. another wtf, that should not have been possible, added locking.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599329 << iirc they're the most important single source of spam/probing/assorted script kiddery on the nets.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 09:17 davout: ovh is a french company, stands for "on vous héberge" and are basically the niggers of the hosting business here in france
asciilifeform: (the ~standard~ 8ball, with the primorial from 2...infinity, grew large enough that it slows down werker run to about 5 hours ! )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform q : does it exclude factors already found in moduli ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it does not need to
asciilifeform: (and it would be extremely impractical to divide it, the thing is a GB+ and counting)
mircea_popescu: how many is that ? 3mn ish ?
asciilifeform: 5799979789 as of 5min ago.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599342 << using cloudflare is not unlike using mercury-based syphilis cures.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 09:24 netmonk: as cloudflare isnt working well with it.
asciilifeform: (last prime)
mircea_popescu: 5.8bn primes ? oh
asciilifeform: btw i discovered a 1000x speedup for 8ballator. but have not deployed yet, because, comically, it will rapidly sink the entire machine
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599349 << i find this odd, because i add two numbers the same way i add 2 million numbers. don't you ?
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 09:28 netmonk: you dont manage 500k servers like you manage the 10 servers of paymium
mircea_popescu: and of course all the outbound links on yosefk.com linked above are gone.
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599440 <<< french it engineering school, pretty much where all the autists go
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 15:37 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599301 << davout: any idea what is 'epitech' ? this box is live, appears to be its job appl. portal.
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/fewZO << holy shit bulletin boards were a crime against humanity. how the fuck was this permitted to exiswt.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599455 << had trouble finding the exact variant, bed is more like http://zoneoffroad.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/zone-offroad-005.jpg but slightly different cab
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 15:58 asciilifeform: bed looks rather small on the picture tho
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 15:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599298 << ahahaha trinque is such a texan. wtf is that, "couldn't decide if i want a rape van or a deer hunting truck so i got both" ?
trinque: also, can pull traditional heavy-drinking lake machines around. very important.
trinque: congrats to asciilifeform on phuctor's return. bbl
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/26CD3C2757BFF9669BD855ABC65060F16D18FDB7B80BA8496EB392C5A1F1BFB3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1086...2029 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '184.23.183.157 (ssh-rsa key from 184.23.183.157 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (184-23-183-157.dynamic.dsl.mlode.com. US CA)
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599371 << i've been thinking about this problem, because range select is very handy, but i haven't figured out a way to make it not confusing. specifically the "stickiness" where you catch a range and can't get rid of it. can implement the traditional select semantics like shift-click to activate a range?
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 15:08 mircea_popescu: phf any idea on how to replicate Framedragger 's logger multiline selection thing without the hassle ? maybe something like "first click, highlights line ; second click, highlights area ; third click, highlights line within area" or such ?
phf: and then once you have a range and trying to get rid of it, if you have a screen full of range, you have to go through the whole "scroll till no range, select arbitrary line" thing
asciilifeform: what's wrong with 'esc' key
phf: you have a choice to represent everything with a "click" procedure that activates things on backend (by altering get parameters), or you go frontend in which case welcome to the javascript hell
phf: though i like the idea of esc
phf: but if you're going javascript frontend then might as well go full modifier mode. shift to select, command click to move cursor inside selection, etc.
asciilifeform: also i am slightly puzzled re mircea_popescu liking line-based trad diff but not line-based log quoter.
asciilifeform: (else why this selection thing is needed?)
phf: well, mp is presumably trying to solve a problem of quoting large conversations. our thread links for example go for one liners, but require extra effort to figure out where the conversation starts and where it ends, etc.
asciilifeform: every large conversation has a start. why not quote that.
asciilifeform: (is what i typically do, at any rate.)
asciilifeform: this is ~exactly~ the line-diff problem.
phf: sometimes i want to address specific point in a context of a larger conversation. when i speak here it's usually enough to just point into conversation, but mp with his audience perhaps requires more contextualization
phf: last i ran into this yesterday for example here http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598392 i'm responding to line http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598295 but i quote one above it, as a pointer to the whole thread instead to establish context
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 18:21 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598294 << scheme83 is like a "canticle for leibowitz" artifact. "published design" is overstatement of the century. scraps of published memos and reports spread over out of print conference proceedings, the bulk of actual technology needed to recreate probably somewhere on a TAPE. i don't know where you got that mask generator runs on scheme83. the entire production stack was for mit cadr
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 17:50 asciilifeform: published design, and not only design, but the mask generator (runs on, i shit thee not, itself, also)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/942206EDACAB8A5655A9A41A9ABDBB5F6B9D49BBAF4C110588AE1D583FE5C47F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1354...4319 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '67.208.74.84 (ssh-rsa key from 67.208.74.84 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US VA)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6DEC7B012B39890A0325453579049FC94061796B14A0C8ED61E4D575B26D4FB3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1355...3167 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '75.126.180.248 (ssh-rsa key from 75.126.180.248 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (adfotain.net. US TX)
mod6: mornin'
asciilifeform: hey mod6 .
mod6: phuctor is back up i see. cool!
asciilifeform: mod6: aha, the postmortem is in today's log
asciilifeform: in today's wtf noose: asciilifeform learned that the 1750A cpu is still made and sold today!!
asciilifeform: (though so far i found only 'golden toilet' vendors, e.g., http://www.pyramidsemiconductor.com/products/microprocessor/1750.html )
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1A67BBCF3BC199EAB1EAE3CD402679F75C3277E063F16C4C8FB0E5DA4CC08E54 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1418...4859 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '132.248.237.245 (ssh-rsa key from 132.248.237.245 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (www.estadisticas.unam.mx. MX DIF)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EB4358DB99EA55443E95549BB3C2D498ABAD94BEF711ACCBC841372EEDD91519 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1425...3797 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.107.129.108 (ssh-rsa key from 92.107.129.108 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (108.129.107.92.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch. CH JU)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D23DA35A98B17FBD111DBF1E703EAA70B581A3B7C95B73DCE62A5EC2C4311BAE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1418...5873 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '95.48.162.226 (ssh-rsa key from 95.48.162.226 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (jug226.internetdsl.tpnet.pl. PL)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/75DDDAE15B7EC49DCE3F5ECB5576B44A6F0AFEA697CC33D6168163433EC66DFF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1407...3433 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.185.83.21 (ssh-rsa key from 213.185.83.21 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (s2vm03.bugsys.de. DE NW)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/943F09ABB194BBE5460720D7C28F5C386843034636637C74D7E7D23024B1179B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1516...1657 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.52.12.132 (ssh-rsa key from 200.52.12.132 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (seg.telinor.com.mx. MX NLE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E104B13454BC622809E581B96356F30C3256686209B24E7535378861FD771B7E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1530...8297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.76.214.46 (ssh-rsa key from 217.76.214.46 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown IT AO 23)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DAF3261D1430D9FB8B9638D728B38E5D345C3D932D7FE6E4BF5FC5B8A33F5A14 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1525...6599 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.152.52.156 (ssh-rsa key from 85.152.52.156 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.cizero-digital.com. ES AS O)
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deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A71B5781B8BBAD9214FDE34ACCE621D3B5AA118EB962DF1814FD7D26BFFC7AF8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1454...8039 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '37.200.229.133 (ssh-rsa key from 37.200.229.133 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown OM)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FBE694BB98818664288E6705471A0406C706A99F00EEDD1DC6CF1B34A357E7EC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1453...8057 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '188.6.32.224 (ssh-rsa key from 188.6.32.224 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (BC0620E0.dsl.pool.telekom.hu. HU SZ)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6838D1B4096EE3FFD62580E7F8F2DFFEAC7B4AD962EA293A2D1E34921A8ED3BF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1485...4987 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.145.19.202 (ssh-rsa key from 93.145.19.202 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (net-93-145-19-202.cust.vodafonedsl.it. IT)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9DC8E3EC0B9017F6F08B1D8C0CC0EAE96DCA4F5E0EDC4DCFEC6757F3F65775EA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1462...0643 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '163.5.81.105 (ssh-rsa key from 163.5.81.105 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (candidature.epitech.eu. FR J 94)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/149BB0A326A881049D0A7D65A950C68DD7413BE75BE07261666A8B8C7DC65EFC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1518...2009 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '23.30.226.193 (ssh-rsa key from 23.30.226.193 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (23-30-226-193-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. US MN)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599496 << shift click might also work fine yeah. who doesn't know about it doesn't need it either. what do you think of the dot idea ?
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 17:11 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599371 << i've been thinking about this problem, because range select is very handy, but i haven't figured out a way to make it not confusing. specifically the "stickiness" where you catch a range and can't get rid of it. can implement the traditional select semantics like shift-click to activate a range?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599505 << mp is in fact approaching the problem of "lord can be given single link pointer can be trusted to figure out the correct tree ; but outsider is much better served by being given block, because outsider ~= retard". so i tend to love ranges for things like "referencing old cannonical thread on periphery such as blog post comments" whereas love line references for "remind someone in c
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 17:18 phf: well, mp is presumably trying to solve a problem of quoting large conversations. our thread links for example go for one liners, but require extra effort to figure out where the conversation starts and where it ends, etc.
mircea_popescu: onversation of $item"
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/40776E84A758AD819BF5F53DF459608C36946FE1F78EFA384C381205876A22CE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1570...3367 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '113.35.199.71 (ssh-rsa key from 113.35.199.71 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (113x35x199x71.ap113.ftth.ucom.ne.jp. JP 13)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AE6B4639A4016CFD59C865FD786F5D2437E49B15DD9C9EB41E6143642FCB5EAC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1625...0453 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.31.229.178 (ssh-rsa key from 195.31.229.178 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown IT)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599506 << because the fact that op is not already here carries the significance that the op has serious mental issues, of the nature of mental retardation, on which basis it is safe to assume op would return "that has nothing to do" rather than correctly prune the trees to get the shared up-node and then engage in the correct, intellectual-curiosity driven behaviour of reading himself out of
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 17:18 asciilifeform: every large conversation has a start. why not quote that.
mircea_popescu: a paper bag.
mircea_popescu: and in other news wtf is #cyberhatsecurity
mircea_popescu: ⓘ [465] You are banned from this server- (Clearing #cyberhatsecurity) Bots (2017/1/8 18.22) << random link to freenode klined. nothwithstanding it never sent to any channels. (or, for that matter, had anything to do with anything).
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F035B7DD7EBC023C9A24740A9F3C48EA8F895047D43806B4CA7835ACCB3E4288 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1633...9063 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.62.236.67 (ssh-rsa key from 93.62.236.67 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (93-62-236-67.ip24.fastwebnet.it. IT TO 21)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DA2CD167BF09030541D93A27041C64941A6AC6A99BEF67A8F879B399658BCDAF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1689...4643 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.56.146.18 (ssh-rsa key from 195.56.146.18 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ns2.ksystem.hu. HU)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0456045885241DCE7904B864BCD8E31BC152C9E8D547CB2541834EEEE45984EA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1635...5043 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '75.101.134.225 (ssh-rsa key from 75.101.134.225 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ec2-75-101-134-225.compute-1.amazonaws.com. US VA)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A884F230768329AD945408D87431EADEEDE8302334631C7A6CA420D2F7246AD8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1691...8253 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.240.254.106 (ssh-rsa key from 62.240.254.106 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (du-62-240-240-106.adsl.claranet.fr. FR)
mircea_popescu: apparently "cyberhatsecurity" is a bunch of kids (usual male + coupla orbiters + love interest movie cast) defacing/ddosing random obscure websites (da.gov.ph, "official website of ella fitzgerald", ectb.org, readanddigest.com and so on). but an evidently important & mayn guy named system "Im leaving social media. im sorry guys. please if you want to contact us go in our discord. https://discord.gg/CtuX56e". which is worth ch
mircea_popescu: ecking out for the sheer ineptitude involved (looks like a native crapple app ported to a web interface). and do consider their fucking notion of a post-mortem : https://archive.is/tPrBF#selection-765.0-762.5
mircea_popescu: "We've isolated the issue to a blip on an internal service caused by a deploy a few hours ago, which triggered a case where some buggy code incorrectly propagated the errors caused by the malfunction up to our client, that then attempted to retry sending the message. For now, we've reverted the changes and everything looks stable. We're going to investigate this further. As of now, we have a few action items to resolve these
mircea_popescu: issues, and we'll provide a full post-mortem here in the morning." together with the absent anything "in the morning" readily constitutes the epitome of "a new generation" in computing.
mircea_popescu: findanddelete eh.
mircea_popescu: oh this is the lerner dude that exposed that bitmessage idiocy, i recall.
asciilifeform: 'About 28% of the original Bitcoin v0.1 source code remains in Bitcoin Core v0.12 (although that 28% now represents less than 1.9% of the total source lines), so the possibility existed. ' << lol!!
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/my-ai-problems-a-humble-confession/ << Trilema - My AI problems, a humble confession.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598703 << ternary is neat and all, but have you considered implementing arc atop colorforth?
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 23:18 gabriel_laddel_p: adlai: well it seems I can't have you do what I had in mind. Could you instead please review http://homepage.divms.uiowa.edu/~jones/ternary/ and work out some basic ternery circuts for the eventual loper machine?
phf: damn, re that clojure post, "with friends like that..."
mircea_popescu: why is this dude so wikipedia-bound ?
mircea_popescu lost interest on the 3rd reference or thereabouts.
phf: i don't grok referencing encyclopedias in general. if i don't know what "dog" is, i can probably source it myself
mircea_popescu: encyclopedias in general may be educative ; but wikipedia is not an encyclopedia.
mircea_popescu: if i don't agree with what you mean by dog, pointing to the tv set is unlikely to resolve much.
phf: i don't think it's an attempt to establish terminology. i always read it as a herp-a-derp chumminess with a reader "oh maybe you don't know what i'm talking about, i'm going to help you out here"
mircea_popescu: i always read it as a "i am dedicated to the empire and won't miss an opportunity to spam its tendrils". exactly the same substance as the "seo expert" pushing colon cleanser or w/e. just vaguely different clothing.
mircea_popescu: anyway, for the noobs : to specific objections are raised here. one speaks to corectness : a random "reality tv" show may include elements which, inasmuch as they factually exist, are actually true, such as a curb, or a window pane. nevertheless, this does not make the reality tv show MEANINGFUL.
mircea_popescu: the other speaks to accuracy. there is a reason man pages are written by the authors of the software, not by a conclave of self-identified users of said software. a measure of accuracy could certainly be devised whereby the 2nd version is "just as accurate" as a proper man page. nevertheless, it would not in the slightest be INTERESTING.
mircea_popescu: which is the summa : wikipedia is meaningless and uninteresting ; that it does so through the mechanism of advertising "not using advertising" and asking for "donations", and that it manages to chump randos into turning large piles of banal trivia into an agglomeration of garbage is entirely incidental.
shinohai: ty d
mircea_popescu: heh so apparently they're gonna shut down the server i'm connected through. GOOD BY CRUEL WORLD!
phf: not so fast
mircea_popescu: i may have been server notice scammed.
mircea_popescu: !#google pussygrab
mircea_popescu: !~google pussygrab
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mircea_popescu: somewhat odd, i actually see trilema as #2, above reddit and below something called ibtimes
hanbot: i don't see trilema in results at all, despite top of second page yielding censored term (p*ssy). motherfuckers.
hanbot: trilema @ 4
mircea_popescu: this "different results for different calls" thing is so fucken dumb...
ben_vulpes: EXCITING
mircea_popescu: and in other "haterz care deeply" lulz, https://archive.is/vAZU8 https://archive.is/QjKln
ben_vulpes: lol that danielkerr character
mircea_popescu: this first name bs is really obnoxious
mircea_popescu: wtf they do anywya, "you can't be john, we already have a john. why don't you be felix ?"
mircea_popescu: how is a 1 bathroom hovel even worth more than a car.
mircea_popescu: "The 652 square metre corner block boasts high ceilings, timber flooring, a theatre room and alfresco deck." AND ONE BATHROOM
BingoBoingo: hovel needs less maintenance to keep hoveling that car needs to keep friving
mircea_popescu: i dunno about that.
BingoBoingo: 75% of car parts store is essentials, 85% of hovel parts store is unessential fluff
ben_vulpes: what need have we of rmax when we can make papercrete
BingoBoingo: Why would I want concrete that is palatable to termites?
ben_vulpes: mix boric acid in
BingoBoingo: that will interfere with cure weakening product
ben_vulpes: load tests are in order
BingoBoingo: concrete's a fickle little bitch it's first month of life.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: also i don't know who uses rmax for structural elements
ben_vulpes: you can pump it through a stucco sprayer, which i think is very fucking cool
BingoBoingo: An you're talking insulation, I thought you were talking the real estate firm
ben_vulpes: there is also http://www.masongreenstar.com/, but yes mostly considering as insulator
ben_vulpes: veehehehery interested in the material's load bearing capabilities too, but TEUs are literally haus duplos so...
mircea_popescu: hm, ben_vulpes going towards building haus ?
ben_vulpes: very seriously considering all sorts of very stupid things. what else is new.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 17:05 ben_vulpes: i'm one more 'undefined is not a function' away from moving to boring and raising cashmere goats
mircea_popescu: us is horribru place to build.
ben_vulpes: what build, i'm going to live out of a shipping container
mircea_popescu: with rmax ?
ben_vulpes: papercrete!
mircea_popescu: containers suck in all places with a weather.
ben_vulpes: us is a horrible place to live.
mircea_popescu: depends what you're looking for. not terrible if you're into fucking bums.
mircea_popescu: sort of like pinoy was 30 years ago.
ben_vulpes: anyways, 1700 bucks not bad price for beefy steel frame and corrugated panels.
BingoBoingo: Just get some concrete masonry units and play legos
mircea_popescu: yeah not a bad time to buy containers. trade's going to shit.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: container legos are best legos
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "peak stuff"!
mircea_popescu: something like that.
mircea_popescu: steel billet is like 300, 20 foot dry container is like 2.3 tons tare, so that's about 700 out of the 1.7 just the price of the metal.
mircea_popescu: that's like buying house for 2.5 the price of bulk brick
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: So how many are you stacking?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo can stack em as high as 8, and in principle could cover a square mile with 'em
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm thinking is stacked 2 high, filled with rebar and concrete poured, one could make a respectable fence.
mircea_popescu: for what, mexico ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: neglects the cost of turning brick into structural frames and walls
ben_vulpes: nevermind that the retail cost for corrugated panel is going to be rather larger than that for billet which omfg cannot be bought retail
ben_vulpes: more like 2.5 cost of bulk dirt if you're going to compare at the level of billet
ben_vulpes: and yes i can cut, weld, seal. no big. but forge from billet? get the fuck out
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: For strolling through the garden you've placed atop your fence
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