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fd_travel: well.... asian banks are funding folks to try out stuff with 'open bank project' (standardized APIs between banks for developing apps), they want to make use of that api project
fd_travel: so there are teams trying to develop stuff using those APIs
fd_travel: will tell later if we have anything interesting, it's a total caffeine-infused rush right nao :D
fd_travel: (we have this plan to have a 'roboadviser' show user (we find net worth of user from bank accts, hey it's not a realistic demo) which properties he can buy in $area)
fd_travel: (extrapolate furture prices / recommendations using time series from past historical sales, etc etc)
fd_travel: i dunno. i mean i haven't been to asia before, 'twas an opportunity out of nowhere, why not :)
mircea_popescu: just make sure you talk to the girlies.
BingoBoingo: Joshua-I: Stranger need to introduce themselve in channel before private conversations are possible
mircea_popescu: !!up Joshua-I
deedbot: Joshua-I voiced for 30 minutes.
Joshua-I: Thanks a lot
mircea_popescu: !!key Joshua-I
BingoBoingo: First order of business Joshua-I, Who is your daddy and what does he do?
Joshua-I: Was thinking of an writing an article for qntra just wondering what the process for that is
Joshua-I: Catches helicopters on the fly I suppose
a111: Logged on 2016-11-27 13:39 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/P5fGi/?raw=true
Joshua-I: #2 closed the deal for me hah
Joshua-I: Concerning #3 if I know an expert who can review said information is everything square?
Joshua-I: Under acceptable content
mircea_popescu: is this expert in the wot ?
Joshua-I: Realized the answer as I hit enter
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo rereading that god damn that's a kickass manual.
Joshua-I: As efficient as Hemingway
mircea_popescu: lacesso, roughly "to batter"
Joshua-I: Although, define 'expert'
Joshua-I: People have different notions of that one
BingoBoingo: Well, what do they claim to be an expert on?
Joshua-I: Political science
mircea_popescu: considering it costs little to submit, do it and see what happens i guess.
mircea_popescu: if it gets rejected and that pisses you off, you can always publish on your own blog.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski incidentally obsequious means pretty much the opposite of what you need it to mean
Joshua-I: I figured I would do exactly such mircea_popescu regardless
Joshua-I: Why do I think of Rome when reading this comic
mircea_popescu: ok the lemons one is pretty great
Joshua-I: When I've pgpd the message where do I send it?
mircea_popescu: link it to bb
BingoBoingo: like he did
BingoBoingo: !!Up Joshua-I
deedbot: Joshua-I voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: You have a limited number of minutes to submit before consideration is put on hold due to sleep
Joshua-I: Don't worry, I'll send it another time; I've been drinkin'
Joshua-I: Just wanted to get the details
BingoBoingo: !~step1
jhvh1: 1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.
Joshua-I: Quite familiar
BingoBoingo: Well, then drink more
Joshua-I: I do have some nice scotch I will top the night off with
Joshua-I: What's your timezone so I have a feeling?
Joshua-I: (PST here)
Joshua-I: (nvm I remembered how to irc)
Joshua-I: Alright back to the party. I'll see you cats later
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey listen, i have this t42 wich works fine EXCEPT if i try to emulate old games. at first i thought whatever, bad emulation package, but no - be it via dosbox, wine, whatever, same behavior : game works fine (sound, etc) but the screen stays black. seems to be some unhapiness somewhere between radeon mobility 7500 and xorg. do i recall you saying something very similar ? did you ever manage to get display sub
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FA4BD8B74F8998EB8F30FF2AF6220CC4737690B0DE5A4F7A108E809F5B2306BF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2804...2849 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.188.112.98 (ssh-rsa key from 93.188.112.98 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ip-98-c112.conmet.it. IT)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/85E4C3CE8ADEC624CE11EE2085906F70EFF7563EF4FDEAC5EE64ABA8E194F9F9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1614...9203 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.170.143.97 (ssh-rsa key from 193.170.143.97 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (teacheradsl4397.eduhi.at. AT)
mod6: mornin'
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FA4BD8B74F8998EB8F30FF2AF6220CC4737690B0DE5A4F7A108E809F5B2306BF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1629...2343 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.188.112.98 (ssh-rsa key from 93.188.112.98 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ip-98-c112.conmet.it. IT)
mircea_popescu: hola mod6
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/minigame-is-probably-never-going-to-support-python-3/ << Trilema - Minigame is probably never going to support Python 3.
hanbot: r/python doesn't like your latest mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: that comes as a shock!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the momeny they lead with "X is a nyt bestselling author" you know it's going to be pretty far out there.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: subj is not 'bestselling author', but a crackpot well-known to asciilifeform and even met in meat.
mircea_popescu: in other news, trilema acceess log for this month is 1.2 gigabytes or about 6mn lines. this web thingee certainly came a long way.
mircea_popescu: ah really ?
asciilifeform: ( the chick technically is 'best selling author', she is one of the many folx who pulled off the trick where you ask 1,001 arsebook 'friends' to buy b00k synchronously etc )
mats: genius!
asciilifeform: iirc they teach this in spamatronics-101.
mats: http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/28/us/ohio-state-university-active-shooter << i'm experiencing rampage fatigue, this is what, the 300th rampage of the year to date
hanbot: ...so they tweeted instructions to "Run Hide Fight"?! wtf is this, an advisory to do anything but jumping jacks?!
ben_vulpes: 8 is not a rampage
ben_vulpes: it's like a minor tantrum
asciilifeform: and also, d00d who empties a mag into -- mostly -- thin air and furniture -- is 'rampage' ?!
ben_vulpes: lol 8 /injured/?
asciilifeform: must've tripped over own shoelaces, run'n'hiding
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the lulz of all time is the actual count of books required. dipped as low as 100s at some point cca 2010 when i stopped paying any attention whatsoever.
ben_vulpes: "we've barricaded ourselves in this room and are now all tweeting about it"
mircea_popescu still recalls a time in the 90s when it was 100k.
ben_vulpes: in other pcengines: http://archive.is/slpYZ
mircea_popescu: mats in fairness, ohio state prolly best place to pop a cap in their collective mega-ass.
asciilifeform: btw one interesting exercise would be to organize a synthetic 'postal' made entirely out of hacked twatter pnohes and similar boxes
asciilifeform: then watch Official Truth try an' magic it away
asciilifeform: then apply same magic next there is a 'proper' one.
mats: alf is all about the high score charts
asciilifeform: mats: would you refer to a wino who makes off with a rubbish basket from a bank as 'bank heist' ?
mats: no :(
asciilifeform: so, if corpse count isn't at least 4 bits long, it ain't a postal.
mats: i thought i'd put a damper on the bloodlust
mircea_popescu: anyway, none of you understand how the world works. it isn't that anyone GOT shot. at all. nobody gives a shit what happens. it's that someone COULD HAVE!!!! that's the only fucking point.
asciilifeform: 'someone could have' every time joe sixpack cleans his kalash.
mircea_popescu: it's a wonder they even botyher burying the corpses, at all. the only focus of interest is what could fucking happen, and there's not so much a corpse could.
ben_vulpes: mats: that's rich, coming from the local documentarian of besieged arabs
mircea_popescu: who else would it come from ?
mats: he-hey, those are the OTHER people, you know
mats: /s
mircea_popescu: mats kinda the wrong color with small dicks ?
ben_vulpes: funkenstein_ a good candidate
mircea_popescu: wasn't he the guy with a worrisome wood fetish ?
BingoBoingo: <hanbot> ...so they tweeted instructions to "Run Hide Fight"?! wtf is this, an advisory to do anything but jumping jacks?! << SOP, like "duck and cover" for nukes/tornados
mircea_popescu: ahahaha wait wait, trump was scamming the electorate ? not shillary & friends ? awww.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: it's going to be so unfair when the white working class is entirely satisfied with the recent championship pay-per-view outcome
mircea_popescu: must suck, to be stuck running around with "no, u" as the only tool in the toolbox.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: phun phakt: they put up posters re 'run and hide' at the ~army base~ where asciilifeform worked , after news of the 'ft hood incident'
mircea_popescu: "the bravest thing in the us army is this chair. literally."
BingoBoingo: What is morale?
mircea_popescu: moar ale!
ben_vulpes: SERIOUSLY BE AFRAID
a111: Logged on 2016-11-26 16:03 mircea_popescu: anyway, if anyone's keeping track, the "kow towing" must've not went all too well, because "the editorial board" of the nyt decided for the you know, "independents", "liberals" and the rest of the us red army that the correct approach is to try and impeach trump through the emoluments clause, sometime in 2018ish.
mats: what is it with white people and obsessing over other peoples dongs
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: h-how is that going to work?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes same way the f-35 works. next question ?
mircea_popescu: mats it's mostly a jewish thing.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: glib
ben_vulpes: what, the chinese are going to grant him a title?
ben_vulpes: let's retroactively impeach obama for accepting the nobel without congress' blessing
mircea_popescu: well, no, they're going to neigh york times best author selling publish some crap.
mircea_popescu: just like everything else "worked", just like how "liberalism" even became a thing. except it never was much more than the vague notions of life&everything of the friends tv show crew.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 06:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey listen, i have this t42 wich works fine EXCEPT if i try to emulate old games. at first i thought whatever, bad emulation package, but no - be it via dosbox, wine, whatever, same behavior : game works fine (sound, etc) but the screen stays black. seems to be some unhapiness somewhere between radeon mobility 7500 and xorg. do i recall you saying something very similar ? did you ever manage to get display sub
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aite. will need a few.
asciilifeform: also you can build 'dosbox' with svgalib support and ditch x11 entirely !
mircea_popescu: i was contemplating that.
asciilifeform: it worx great.
mircea_popescu: course planescape torment doesn't doxbox
asciilifeform: run the gamez like the gods meant'em.
asciilifeform: i'll be surprised if it 'wines' also.
mircea_popescu: yeah up to 1998. but the whole exercise was me showing that to young'uns
mircea_popescu: nah, wines fine, gog people made a splendid package.
asciilifeform: then again i've coaxed virii into running under wine.
asciilifeform: so who knows what is possible.
mircea_popescu: wine is altogether better than windows.
asciilifeform: quite so. i develop winblowz proggies 100% under gcc+wine.
asciilifeform: for money.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1573658 << anybody try an' boot this yet? sawed it open ?
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 02:37 BingoBoingo: In other overlookeds the suckless people released an iso of their distro, 34 MB iso image http://sta.li/
mircea_popescu: tis on the list.
asciilifeform: ( imho most interesting q -- is the thing ~self-hosting~ ? i.e. compiler binary + source, full toolchain, etc )
mircea_popescu: aha exactly.
mircea_popescu is vaguely looking for a root for a sane os since whenever, last year ?
asciilifeform: second q is 'does kernel include megatonne of crapola, or, is it the opposite, boots only on some neckbeard's old 386 in his closet like bell labs plan9 )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i still say it blocks on 'sane iron'.
asciilifeform: there is not a secret, magical-wishy-way around this.
mircea_popescu: "If you have not guessed it already, this dear and daring beast was a Wyvern. A Wyverary, if we are to be taxonomically accurate, for though his mother was a proper Wyvern, his father was a library. That only sounds strange if both of your parents were precisely the same sort of animal, which hardly ever happens, when you really think about it." << holy shit HOW CAN THEY BE THIS TEDIOUS.
mircea_popescu: for the love of all that is literate, can this fanfic wave of subtards gargling words END ALREADY
asciilifeform: it gets woarse.
mircea_popescu: it's so bad i can't even close it.
asciilifeform: i drank the whole spittoon.
asciilifeform: wait till you get to 'the magic of no/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i did that when what's-his-name with the harry potter mary sue complex and delusions of computer science / quantum mechanics knowledge made some writing challenge and i fucked him with his own wrists attached to a telephone pole.
mircea_popescu: permanently disinterested me in entertaining the imbeciles.
asciilifeform: i dun think he noticed... it must've been a very compact telephone pole
mircea_popescu: zombies don't tend to notice what parts they lose on the way.
mircea_popescu: then they pen bizarre tales about how "but how could we lose, mr unsanitary green"
mircea_popescu: anyway, it is somewhat refreshing to see the delusional dorks (self-identified as "liberals" or "progressives" or w/e) simpyl lift wholesale the aggregate production of the neonazis since the 50s, change a few pronouns and bestseller-publish on their oh-so-important notebooks.
mircea_popescu: look at it : "I shall tell you what the lion roared. It roared: you will make a new future in your stupid bowl, and it will say all the things we want it to say and none of the things we do not! The new future will say that everything good in Fairyland is down to us and everything that goes sideways is down to our enemies. It will say that we are the best people, with the best plans, and the best words, and the best rulers in
mircea_popescu: the history of bestnesses. Make it say the old King and Queen are liars and villains but the Marquess is a truth-teller and a champion who has released the world from sorrow forever. Make it say she is the only one who can fix Fairyland and make it great."
mircea_popescu: now how can you distinguish between this and http://trilema.com/2016/adnotated-weird/ ie david lane / whichever other of the idiots ?
mircea_popescu: they literally ran a bunch of sed, /holocaust/global warming/ /jews/racists/ whatever, same exact structure down to the t.
mircea_popescu: these aspirational "intellectuals" are shockingly sterile.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: oh holy shit Xorg.log has no timestamps for the lines. how the fuck is anyone supposed to make sense of this crap.
mircea_popescu: who. who keeps making logfiles with no notion of time ? how is this supposed to work ?
asciilifeform: with bare hands, teeth, sand clock.
asciilifeform: ( and iirc trb still has no times in logz )
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how to use this alleged log file.
mircea_popescu: chiefly because i can't conceive of a mapping between the pile of trash and a log file.
asciilifeform: 1) zap it 2) revv up xorg 3) run black screen proggy 4) paste log
mircea_popescu: such log o.O
asciilifeform: alternatively, tail -f /var/log/crapola.log &> crapolade_snippet.txt &
asciilifeform: and then paste the latter.
mircea_popescu: "how do you use this ?" "first, delete it" "oh i see."
mircea_popescu: for the record, the repugnant pos trashes the box so thoroughly i have to log into tty and stop/start x
asciilifeform: unsurprising
mircea_popescu: WHY HAVE IT THEN
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1573782 << didja miss the thread where we learned that apu2 is sad ?
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 16:28 ben_vulpes: in other pcengines: http://archive.is/slpYZ
asciilifeform: (in the sense of 'you will never rip the nsa kernel out of running 24/7/365 on dedicated core on that box')
asciilifeform: (or how they attached intel nic instead of realtek, for a wider range of magick-packet acceptance)
mircea_popescu: more and more it becomes evident that whenever something's documented by the open sores folk, it's always for a reason ; and the reason is always ^
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu found a DOCUMENTED THING ?!!111111
mircea_popescu: as much as his pcengine link is. the "how to run geth" level.
mircea_popescu: ie, not documented in the sense of documented ("here's how the fridge works") but documented in the sense of functional usage for illiterates ("here's how the fridge door opens and what happens most times when it does")
asciilifeform: 'how x works', when it exists in computerdom, tends to 1) live on dead tree 2) which has yellowed from age and smoke
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/7hblX/?raw=true << and i fully don't expect you to tell me anything on the basis of it, because it's quite evident it contains nothing useful.
asciilifeform: no obvious barf in there.
mircea_popescu: anyway. it's pretty obvious someone magicnumbered something because i have the distinct impression gfx works fine just offscreen.
asciilifeform: this snippet is just from warmup, or also includes when magic proggy ran..?
mircea_popescu: i wiped the logs, turned the program on, it killed my gfx, i logged into tty2, stopped x, restarted x, this was the only log present.
mircea_popescu: and magic proggy is heroes 2 gold via dosbox.
asciilifeform nostalgiates
mircea_popescu: we should probably have a heroes 2 tournament this winter.
mircea_popescu: like we used to do in lieu of highschool, however many people sign up, then they're randomly paired and play small maps, then the winners randomly paired play mediums, then etc.
shinohai: mmgen
mircea_popescu: sadly heroes suffers from the same problems of poker, can't play more than 2.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what does 'glxgears' proggy output on that box? also black ?
mircea_popescu: box dun has glxgears
mircea_popescu: anyway, i;m not dedicated enough to getting old games to run on that thinkpad to chase this further. i'll just use a different box.
mircea_popescu: for some reason i had it in my head you had ironed out (or maybe just fought and were defeated ?) blank screen idiocy on thinkpad.
asciilifeform: fought, defeated
asciilifeform: the ~only way to get it to work 100% is to define the box forever with the vendor's binturd.
asciilifeform: *defile
mircea_popescu: i'm pretty sure it's due to the "driver" for radeon mobility 7500 being a dubious pos which is pretty much sabotaged deliberately.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha!
asciilifeform: only a notch or two below installing winblows.
asciilifeform: interestingly, unlike nvidia, amd published (what were nominally..) complete datashits for all of their gpu.
asciilifeform: this resulted in 0 featurecomplete open sores support.
mircea_popescu: with the result being much more obfuscation than in the case of nvidia
asciilifeform: and i can think of at least two explanations re why, and they may well both be true.
mircea_popescu: course the fact that radeon had a stellar reputation for being an unworking buggy pos throughout the 90s didn't help
asciilifeform: there is 0 reliable open nvidia driver either.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and yet i never had this inept sort of bs problem on nvidia cards.
asciilifeform: know why ?
asciilifeform: it is because nvidia users surrender IMMEDIATELY and install closed turd kernel mod.
mircea_popescu: because mafia ?
mircea_popescu: notrly, is open nvidia driver works fine.
asciilifeform: until you try to USE
mircea_popescu: what can i tell ya.
asciilifeform: or until you want the box not to drain the battery in 20 minutes of lid-closed-no-cord
mircea_popescu: i do not use laptops for any serious purpose
asciilifeform: it is doubly odd to attempt to play games on one
mircea_popescu: the exercise of today being a fine point in case - they can't even be used to play games, though they may marginalloy fit it, we'd be all in bed.
asciilifeform: at any rate, if audio worx, you should be golden with dosbox+fbdev or same+svgalib.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, laptop == html reader.
asciilifeform: (this is already an achievement, working audio)
mircea_popescu: smartphone, electronic ink, whatever. pointedly NOT actual computer.
asciilifeform: i cannot fathom trying to use one of these as a comp
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can't be arsed to spent time on it tbh. either it works out of box or doesn't work at all is the extent of my patience.
asciilifeform: the phrase 'worx out of box' and open sores do not go together.
asciilifeform: if anyone tells you of such a thing -- they will also sell bridge.
mircea_popescu: let gog worry about that, i'm not gonna.
asciilifeform: which brings us to one more lul from the lulphrams, https://vikings.net
asciilifeform: ^ quite a lulsandwich, srsly, 'libreboot' ?!
mircea_popescu: !S thomas umbach
mircea_popescu: !#s thomas umbach
mircea_popescu: apparently there exists a german alive today sufficiently boneheaded to imagine anyone is willing to use a german company for any purpose.
mircea_popescu: it boggles the mind, but whatever.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/11/dt-customers-lose-service-due-to-cyber-attack/ << Qntra - DT Customers Lose Service Due To "Cyber Attack"
mircea_popescu: http://www.cjr.org/the_feature/trump_journalism_press_freedom_global.php << pretty lulzy as far as these go. priest at the outskirts of the byzantine empire going "bitchez, your golden horn palaces are still cooler than what we get down here in syria, so stfu and shake that ass".
mircea_popescu: as much as it sucks to be one of the progresstards in the us, imagine how very much worse all the random ngo-niggers and assorted aspirational retards from the rest of the world have it.
asciilifeform: nah those get manna from usgheavens
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 17:15 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1573782 << didja miss the thread where we learned that apu2 is sad ?
mircea_popescu: they get manna from in between my toes.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 17:08 mircea_popescu: who. who keeps making logfiles with no notion of time ? how is this supposed to work ?
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 17:08 asciilifeform: ( and iirc trb still has no times in logz )
asciilifeform: the mass of 'dissidenting', 'voice-of-america'-listening, pussyrioting idlers worldwide, live on what, do you suppose.
asciilifeform: sunlight ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: whose patch ?
mircea_popescu: exactly that, sunlight./
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: svlogd
mircea_popescu: and the meagre 20 bux they get now and again for sucking my dick
mircea_popescu: which they disavow and so pretend it never happened so it's "free" ie unexplaiend income
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i know you already gave up on the thing, but i use svlogd to hammer poorly-logging proggies into sanity
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nice!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: how's that work ? it eats the original rubbish log, and shits this ?
ben_vulpes: can be configured for log rotation, timestamps in myriad formats, udp packets on certain parse events
mircea_popescu: my point is not that i could or couldn't fix it as much as it is i shouldn't have to. i also don't change diapers for the people i go out to dinner with, notwithstanding i ~could~.
mircea_popescu: when i decide to be a nurse i also will.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: eats stdout, yes
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: iirc items such as oom are sent to stderr by trb
asciilifeform: so if it literally only eats stdout -- problem
asciilifeform: (not to mention that sanely written proggies do not log to stdout)
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: well i put a redirect in there
mircea_popescu: well you could redirtect but yeah
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: where do sanely written programs log?
mircea_popescu: apparently a sane semantic model for fucking unix is still a bridge too far.
ben_vulpes has never seen one, would not know
shinohai: I have just logged timestamps on mine with `|xargs -IX printf "$(date -u)\t%s\n" X `
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: to a user-specified /some/where
asciilifeform: (disk, tape, ribbon printer..)
ben_vulpes: well dump svlogd in the bin of 'pointless abstractions that make life under the tyranny of linux mildly less painful and retarded' then
asciilifeform: iirc 'how to log' got caught up in the thread re whether trb wants to become own os or not
mircea_popescu: pretty much
ben_vulpes has devoured sweets, dons commuter yeti for more rainridin
ben_vulpes: well also polarbeard did some objectionable whole-codebase patching
asciilifeform: whatever happened to that d00d
asciilifeform: left without sayin' goodbyes
ben_vulpes: failed to land a patch, was summarily executed by handlers
ben_vulpes: anyways, that episode pointed me in the direction of external log mgmt
ben_vulpes really off now
asciilifeform: imho sanity in trb logs would include not only timestamp but such things as non-mutilated tx ids (wtf, srsly, are these 1st N bytes, or last, or wat) but also separation of blockchainchurch and mempoolstate
asciilifeform: srsly, both in same log..? why.
asciilifeform: (both in same ~proggy~ is already atrocious.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc we had a spec for sane log that went along the lines of separations like discussed
mircea_popescu: though i dun recall the exact link to it nao
trinque added l2 to wot.deedbot.org index page, looks like happy trollface nao
trinque: seems entirely appropriate
mircea_popescu: lol nice
ben_vulpes: lookin slick
ben_vulpes: using js to draw that?
trinque: nah that's an SVG
trinque: graphviz
ben_vulpes: chrome takes ~1sec to draw it
mircea_popescu: all teh nodes be labeled G
ben_vulpes: on a fresh load that is
mircea_popescu: because g spot amirite ?
mircea_popescu: it's pretty fast yeh
trinque: we finally found the g spot
mircea_popescu: i like the olive color scheme too
trinque: graphviz thinks that tooltip is helpful or something, gonna remove it with sed
mircea_popescu: trinque or just put label nicks or somwething instead
trinque: they're there if you get the node just so
trinque: but I'm gonna fiddle with sizes of l1 yet
mircea_popescu: a right!
mircea_popescu: it zooms nicely too
trinque: yeah seems SVG does pretty well in the browser
mircea_popescu: this is moving right along!
trinque: pretty close to a genesis V patch by now
ben_vulpes: in other "baby i'm trying to find something redeeming in the american holiday season"s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J44mRRo0-P0&list=PLUSRfoOcUe4YfT3KjO5JInZ7owN_nIMh4&index=1
trinque: after which folks can throw me their own, and I'll sign if I like them and use.
asciilifeform: AllKindsOfBad F31BBE3A << lel
asciilifeform: 32bit hashfp ftw.
asciilifeform: who are all of these schmucks and why are they preserved in amber here.
trinque: yeh, some ancient data in there regarding reference to key
trinque took the entire old db
asciilifeform: nono, who ARE all of these folks who are not even l10 arsebot.
asciilifeform: deedbot, etc.
trinque: descends from OTC neh?
asciilifeform: it strikes me that this data has the status of 'gossip'
asciilifeform: in the sense of 'at some point, i heard that x heard...'
asciilifeform: and not of deed ('x signed')
asciilifeform: which imho is the polar opposite of what a rating oughta be.
asciilifeform: wot rating is the one scenario that most screamingly calls for attributable proclamation.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1573807 << they're positively fucking endearing in their unyielding imbecility, "oh, the data acquisition mechanisms / ~scientifically~ conducted polls that told us clinton is a cinch to win also tell us what the X demographic wants and what trump is delivering and WE THEREFORE KNOW he's not doing what we know they want and blablabla.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 16:35 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: it's going to be so unfair when the white working class is entirely satisfied with the recent championship pay-per-view outcome
mircea_popescu: the idiot mind caught in the perfect prison.
mircea_popescu: !!reputation AllKindsOfBad
mircea_popescu: trinque why would nil reputation nicks be inclued at all ?
trinque likes what data visibility does :)
trinque: I have no strong opinion that they should.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you have to consider the history of the republic. first it was a very vague thing in a very large soup that was #bitcoin-otc ; that split up between the libertards and the sane people ; me, mod6 a few others moved on to -assets. then that also split up, between whatever the hell it was, modern-science-democracy-and-consumerism and the current #trilema.
mircea_popescu: trinque i don't think there's anything meaningful there ; should prolly purge all those with a nil reputation string.
trinque: works for me
asciilifeform: afaik the old 'wots' are ~100% dead (in the sense of 0-measurable-activity-in-n-years)
mircea_popescu: or you know, offer a separate "all conceivable datapoints", but imo waste of your time and the whole point is that their presence drowns out the actually important people.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform generally in the holes where men fought, children now play.
mircea_popescu: at least it's how ww2 trenches worked.
asciilifeform: they sure did.
asciilifeform went to one such, played.
trinque: aha, in point of fact I ran graphviz on the whole dataset first. output was hilariously useless
trinque: then a moment of enlightenment came and I decided to proceed unfairly :p
asciilifeform: trinque: is there a simple way to make the graph fill the area of display available to it ?
trinque: yeh, moar CSS magic coming
asciilifeform: over here i have to crank 'zoom' until the text below is as tall as my thumb
asciilifeform: to see any
asciilifeform: (vertical displays 'magically' reveal 1,001 brokennesses in visual designs you would otherwise never know about )
trinque: with both hands, right?
asciilifeform: 'with both ahnds'
mircea_popescu: "gang up and bring bottles" ?
trinque: looool
mats: >Jasmin Olbrich, having a quick lunch of French fries at a food truck outside the educational center, said she liked the Middle Eastern looks and complained that German men "drink too much beer, watch way too much soccer and are just so white!"
mats: >just so white
mircea_popescu: mats pointedly absent, any reference to how small the arab penises are.
asciilifeform: penis what penis they fuck kalash buttstock.
mircea_popescu: the avatars of "Safety" - have a bunch of men dork around with guns that are NEVER charged, get them used to using them like doorstops.
mircea_popescu: in other lolz, "Rule #1: Believe the autocrat. He means what he says. Whenever you find yourself thinking, or hear others claiming, that he is exaggerating, that is our innate tendency to reach for a rationalization. This will happen often: humans seem to have evolved to practice denial when confronted publicly with the unacceptable."
mircea_popescu: a) yes, that's the fucking point - and more people who could be taken at their word would be an incredible improvement over "open society" and "modern democracy" ; b) no, not "humans". women. strictly women. the ~FEMALE~ response to "confronted publicly with the unacceptable", which is just a periphrastic mention of public rape, is to... what was that line, "i am a woman, david. do you think i hate children ? must i choose ag
mircea_popescu: ainst a child because of who the father is ?"
mircea_popescu: gotta admit that disgrace film is an epic distillation of an already pungent collection, coetzee's collected vials of retard phlegm and puss.
mircea_popescu: guess should be worth something.
mats: >white self loathing intensifies
mircea_popescu: curious what the muslim influx will do to the eurodork "consensus" re smoking.
mircea_popescu: "Rule #4: Be outraged. If you follow Rule #1 and believe what the autocrat-elect is saying, you will not be surprised. But in the face of the impulse to normalize, it is essential to maintain one’s capacity for shock. This will lead people to call you unreasonable and hysterical, and to accuse you of overreacting. It is no fun to be the only hysterical person in the room. Prepare yourself." (from the same "how to survive th
mircea_popescu: e popping of the libertard delusion" thing). apparently, and seriously, who could have predicted this, apparently diverging from consensus reality is only bad when the OTHER guys do it. you know those racist sociopaths who didn't buy the global warming fraud.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: a slave isn't a slave to all, just to his master. so it was that clement vii was obsequious to charles v, not henry viii. anyways i can see that the sentence was poorly worded and it's been corrected. so cheers :D
mircea_popescu: otherwise it's perfectly fine when the libertard does it! he's not supposed to follow the herd, and is not a redneck "conspiracy-minded" nutcase etc for being... a conspiracy-minded nutcase.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski it's not even that simple, there's that entire wolf episode, rome got sacked also... twas a murky time.
pete_dushenski: aha. more reading for me to do.
mircea_popescu: tis a risky venture to pick one's example from a period when the consensus was to call all deaths "of poison" just because everyone was trying to appear worldier and therefore jadeder and cynicer than everyone else.
mircea_popescu: anyway, masha gessen. the progre party is in such disarray the actual bona fide assets of the embassy state are stuck doing editorial work.
pete_dushenski: for that we can blame bannon. i didn't ask to research the complicated tudors. just what came up on the docket.
mircea_popescu: he does it deliberately you know.
pete_dushenski: no doubt. makes him sound oh so mysterious and erudite. lest we forget BANNON WENT TO HARVARD MKAY
pete_dushenski: o.O clement vii was a medici. fancy.
mircea_popescu: he correctly identified the problem with modern "educated" "liberals", which is - http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568343 aka first pass knowledge. whatever they could scrounge up in a quick skim through wikipedia reinforced by a smattering of wqhat was trending on tedtalks.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-16 14:20 mircea_popescu: also as taleb correctly points out, this example is just a very good example, but not the whole story. what it exemplifies is the ineptitude of a class of people, whom we call jews, and whom we wish to see in camps. these people understand some - enough to be harmful - but not enough, so as to be useful. they are worse than stupid, because of this familiarity with first order but incapacity for higher order reasoning.
mircea_popescu: and so he's quite literally giving commentators enough rope to hang themselves with. the trilema way.
pete_dushenski: man alive was politics in the 1500s convoluted. league of cognac this, renegade troops of charles v that, pope clement vii fliplopping and running away and my oh my oh my..
mircea_popescu: early history, eg ages of settlement are relatively easy to understand, and open to "idea people" ; late history ie collapses of civilisations are not easy to understand, and entirely hermetic to they unblessed with esprit de finesse.
pete_dushenski: ya i can see that. i don't find the period entirely hermetic, just unfamiliar as i slowly bridge the gaps in my historical knowledge between the romans and the french revolution. currently working backwards from the end of that period via peter the great's life and times.
pete_dushenski: now exploring the edges of the tudors et al.
mats: what was the sticking point with esp8266? i forget.
asciilifeform: mats: lack of people-other-than-asciilifeform to play with it
asciilifeform: mats: i handed out a bunch of chinese sample boards at conf3, didn't help...
asciilifeform: mats: i still have a bad of two dozen or so here.
mircea_popescu: heh. with any $item the possible outcomes of the problem-function would be either "it sucks [reason list]" or "not enough people to use it". i guess the 2nd is how you count success.
asciilifeform: the thing that cooled asciilifeform's interest (to a slow simmer) is that the things remain unavailable in-bulk other than via chinese meatwot or something else inaccessible by asciilifeform
asciilifeform: but fwiw the encapsulated item is about 1 $ via various channels
asciilifeform: ( in a much earlier even thread , about the marvell chipset used in pogotron, i found same thing -- the chip is simply not www-orderable in the west, at least not at any kind of price point that isn't a laugh when stood next to the price of whole pogo )
asciilifeform: now if you want to buy a quintillion of them, yes, china will send a steamer with 10,000,001 crates. but this is quite irrelevant to an experimenter.
asciilifeform: (and woe be to the experimenter who actually needs to know whether such a component is available in bulk, where, at what price point, or for how long ! )
mats: i remember now, there was a lack of entropy source
asciilifeform: mats: that is a problem shared with every cpu ever made, it is not really a problem
asciilifeform: 'this bathtub lacks a meat grinder'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1574113 << early history has sufficiently light mass of surviving record that it is, if clunkily, translated to monkey language at this point
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 19:51 mircea_popescu: early history, eg ages of settlement are relatively easy to understand, and open to "idea people" ; late history ie collapses of civilisations are not easy to understand, and entirely hermetic to they unblessed with esprit de finesse.
asciilifeform: history post-rome requires --- horrors! --- languages
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1574114 << pete_dushenski wants to wrap his head around what remains of peter I without knowing ru ?!
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 19:57 pete_dushenski: ya i can see that. i don't find the period entirely hermetic, just unfamiliar as i slowly bridge the gaps in my historical knowledge between the romans and the french revolution. currently working backwards from the end of that period via peter the great's life and times.
asciilifeform: ..or french rev. without fr ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: He can just ask all those Russians at Breitbart to tell him!
asciilifeform: they will answer in the 'russian' language from film 'beautiful mind'
asciilifeform: or where was it.
asciilifeform: iirc it was also in 'submarine red october'
asciilifeform: (they must've used same consultant as who made klingon)
hanbot: if anyone is trying to maintain old ubuntu installs, and ran into this bs where synaptic/apt-get no longer works because it can't locate any repos: the nice ubuntu folks broke their directory scheme. edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace "us.archive." with "old-releases." and then hit reload. for as long as that lasts.
mats: so what does in-bulk mean to asciilifeform
mats: besides <10,000,001 crates
asciilifeform: mats: it means that i don't pay motherfucking retail price. y'know, one where you feel like complete idiot because 'hack magazine' folk are buying ENTIRE BOARDS for below what you pay per-chip.
mats: can i get an integer
asciilifeform: at, say, dime per.
asciilifeform: like if you bought, e.g., atmel micro of comparable horse.
mats: ill reach out to some folks
asciilifeform: mats: it wouldn't hurt. but keep in mind, i will not be designing this board, not now. hands -- full.
mats: i hope not, i'm still hoping to see a return on my s.nsa shares
asciilifeform: aha, and i don't expect the radio repeater thing to become a future s.nsa item either
mats: since some folks bailed i think i am the third largest holder
asciilifeform: ( it is difficult to see how it could be a +ev product )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform don't knock it, "conlangs" eh ?
mircea_popescu: hanbot the life and times huh.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun care if folx fuck donkey, so long as i dun have to watch.
asciilifeform: ditto conlang.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't necessarily mind one for eulora. the problem is that in this, like every other field, the tinydicked western men are entirely infertile. all they want is to copy and reimplement, which is how they ended up doing THE SAME FUCKING GAME 500 times. ever heard of ultima ? how about runescape ? guess what - it's the same fucking thing, down to the t, by which initialism we mean the fucking tutorial. EXACTLY. oh and plane
mircea_popescu: shift ? ayup. the great idea is "what if we took ultima and made it in 3d", that's fucking it. "i want a car just like that car but paint it pink and write my name on the dash".
mircea_popescu: consumerist culture, meaning that unless i fuck tolkien's corpse into action, i'm sol.
asciilifeform played all of the ~good~ ultimas. i.e. 1-7.5.
asciilifeform and, with mixed feelings, 8.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i mant ultimaonline
asciilifeform: ah lol rubbish
mircea_popescu: yes but rubbish in the sense of supermarket rubbish - useless and ubiquitous, with a fury worthy of a better cause.
mircea_popescu: the parallel here is pretty evident - for a century now man's eternal dream to fly was realised. it was realised by great minds in europe, and then taken over by usians. who FUCKED IT. but i mean so utterly, that at the last count cca 2008 it came out the aggregate air travel industry lost more money in its history than it made. period and full stop, consider that.
mircea_popescu: same EXACT thing happened to everyhing else america touched. the damage that brown hole of fetid shit does to things is such, that the aggegate benefits to mankind of say computers, or philosophy, or you name it are actually exceeded by ustardian damage in the short half century since it even became a thing.
asciilifeform: it isn't even the cheapening. trabant did 0 damage to the ~idea~ of the auto. it is instead the deliberate mass-farming of subhuman 'democratic' fungus.
mircea_popescu: something like that.
mircea_popescu: the notion that someone somewhere thinks in terms of "x is worse than the us" is mindnumbing. fucking hell, the third reich only killed SOME people.
mircea_popescu: there is no historical comparison to just how utterly wrong that thing is.
mircea_popescu: perhaps the byzantine empire and some selected chinese confucianist tards.
asciilifeform: + mazdak.
mircea_popescu: i guess.
asciilifeform: notably, disaster of this scale tends to leave thin record
mircea_popescu: it is certainly the case that eastern europe / middle east is a shithole now because instead of razing byzantium in 500, they waited till 1500.
asciilifeform: ( do we still know half a fuck's worth re what nailed, e.g., the minoans ? )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the minoans were the size of a cat's piss.
asciilifeform: but as example of somebody 'well dug up'
asciilifeform: idea here is that cultures that die of stupidity tend to rm -rf / themselves quite thoroughly
asciilifeform: ( and when not, the next occupant of the real estate which they fouled with their presence, finishes the job )
asciilifeform: sorta how iirc we have one (two..?) mayan texts, picked at ~random.
mircea_popescu: hardly. subcultures that embrace comfort do lasting damage to the geography. which is how and why mexico is a shithole now - the aztecs lived there. which is why and how ukraina and the dalmatian coast are shitholes now - byzantines lived nearby.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/11/18-year-old-somali-child-killed-by-police-at-the-ohio-state-university/ << Qntra - 18 Year Old Somali Child Killed By Police At The Ohio State University
mircea_popescu: it's MUCH worse than nuclear waste. chernobyl is perfectly fine today ; odessa will possibly never be.
asciilifeform: when, by mircea_popescu's lights, was 'odessa fine' ? during reign of catherine II /
mircea_popescu: before the basishitoi.
mircea_popescu: should have burned constantine in oil not fucking crown him jesus fuck already.
asciilifeform: odessa in particular was put there in end of 18th c..
mircea_popescu: the geography preexists it.
asciilifeform: ah no shit
mircea_popescu: and the fact that the byzantines were nearby is inescapable ; you can build any odessa you want on that tile - it will be a shithole
mircea_popescu: because paleologoi polluted the square - not with nuclear waste, which resolves in a century, but with cultural waste, which doesn't resolve in millenium+
asciilifeform: this imho needs exposition
asciilifeform: which, particular, waste.
mircea_popescu: the simple existence of an empire of convenience physically alters the geography, so that no one, even people unrelated to the original idiots, can never amount to anything in that physical space.
asciilifeform: not sure how geography relates, we have this exact thing here on antipodal piece of planet
BingoBoingo: AHA, The Iroquois ruined New England!
mircea_popescu: it LOOKS like a mountain, or a hill or a weir, but it is a touched mountain, hill or weir. and if you eat from there - you will be dumb.
mircea_popescu: no matter what you do or how you do it.
mircea_popescu: simple proximity of the idiots ruins things.
asciilifeform: if bad ideas were spread simply by eating magic mountain, world would be considerably cleaner
mircea_popescu: take the web. there's nothing fundamental about html or the upstream concepts that require it to become a pile of shit. but the simple proximity of aol ENSURE, pointedly necessitate and absolutely guarantee, it WILL be a pile of shit. no matter ANYTHING else.
asciilifeform: y'know, toilet can be very close to cockpit in a spacecraft and pilot eat 0 shit.
asciilifeform: (aka 'hierarchy')
mircea_popescu: convenience culture, however defined as consumerism, modern democracy, us-liberalism, whatever is the closest approximation in nature of that brain-breaking-image sf concept.
mircea_popescu: and it's actually pretty damned close.
mircea_popescu: you don't even have to look at it. just the fact that the cockroaches exist, somewhere nearby, will fuck up your shit and sour the milk in your fridge.
asciilifeform: subj btw is a thoroughly worked concept in ru sphere, where folx got to watch 'consumer revolution' unfold in fast-forward picture in 1990s
mircea_popescu: i am unsurprised.
mircea_popescu: twenty years ago i was appalled at the atrocity of the original most serene republic sacking constantinople. now i am very much remiss they left anyone alive or any one thing standing, should have merv'd the fucking place.
mircea_popescu: twenty years ago i was scratching my head uncomprehendingly at the hughuenot massacre. today i'm rather inclined to thing st barhtolomew may be the true and proper republican holiday.
mircea_popescu: and i deeply regret any of the fucking libertards escaped.
mircea_popescu: funny what the wisdom age brings does to one's childish notions.
asciilifeform: i'm not sold on the notion that the protagonists of these great axe-times, sword-times, map readily onto modern folx
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so define the hughuenots for me ?
mircea_popescu: or did you mean "the other side doesn't map" ?
mircea_popescu: so you don't see how early protestants map to modern jewry ? rly ?
asciilifeform: fr-speaking protestants ? afaik luther et al sprung out of a very clearly decaying corpse of the church, and not external baccilae of any sort
mircea_popescu: this is bullshit.
mircea_popescu: they sprang out of the EXACT thing hillary sprang out of : a) individual problems are a collective concern ; b) "we" are all equally dignified and entitled ; c) you name it
asciilifeform: incidentally, they were not the most catastrophically 'burn it all' radical, either. picture if muntzer et al had won instead.
mircea_popescu: find me a point of divergence. even fucking global warming was there, in 1572.
asciilifeform: there is the 'engine' and the 'chrome', i.e. the actual motive ideology, vs the window-dressing. similar to usg's 'hyooman rights!1111' chrome, around a 'market for hollywood and cocacola' engine.
mircea_popescu: so model this supposed difference for me, between today's jew and 1500s hughuenot.
asciilifeform: luther's 'chrome' is similar to every other demagogue's.
asciilifeform: engine -- the princes going their own way, the ungluing of the cheapo knockoff rome thing they had going.
mircea_popescu: (note, as historical amusement, that the last time "modern democracy" libertards were massacred was the result of collusion between military and populist leadership - which apparently is so burnished into their collective memory as to make that arrangement the #1 bad.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, seriously, in terms of individuals. how were the libertards of then not the huguenots of now.
mircea_popescu: 10% at the time, yes ? aspirational like exactly the "i am going to ny to be a writer just like carrie bradshaw" jew of today.
asciilifeform: the only similarity that i can see is that they are the maggots on a corpse.
asciilifeform: maggots -- do not create corpses.
mircea_popescu: never you mind what similarities tyou can see. point me a difference.
mircea_popescu: any. one.
mircea_popescu: they even had the lulzy "modern science" thing, EXACTLY like the current shitheads. and by exactly i mean literal identity, same words same structures.
asciilifeform: the hugenots et al., afaik, were 'serious'. vs the liberast 'hipster-ironic', 'global whatevering happens except when al gore's jet is flying', etc
mircea_popescu: they're both equally serious - which is to say as serious as they can be which isn't much.
asciilifeform: and actually i'm willing to buy mircea_popescu's 'they were similar in every way that counts.' just that i remain unconvinced that either is anything but the fungus growing on aids patient
mircea_popescu: this may well be so - but it is the same fungus.
asciilifeform: killing fungus-of-the-day only staves off the ever more spectacular inevitable and gangrenous liquifaction.
mircea_popescu: are you aware they even had a flashmob ?
mircea_popescu: !~google affaire des placards
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Affair of the Placards - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affair_of_the_Placards>; Affaire des Placards — Wikipédia: <https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affaire_des_Placards>; 18 octobre 1534 - L' Affaire des placards - Herodote.net: <https://www.herodote.net/18_octobre_1534-evenement-15341018.php>
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but it isn't "of the day". it's the one fungus.
asciilifeform: typically the ~other~ end of bartholomew is depicted as 'flash mob'. but yes.
mircea_popescu: other end was very much "trump meets angry iraq war veterans, they decide to mass rape the nytimes & friends."
mircea_popescu: anyway, the deep point here is a certain anti-idealism, coherent in form and presentation, that permeates the five centuries of progre aggitation. the nonsensical objection re "has anything made your life better" in http://trilema.com/2016/consumerism-is-not-the-answer-though-it-will-put-you-to-sleep-or-american-history-x/ very exactly mirror the issues of denying the physical presence of christ in the diddled roman wine/brea
mircea_popescu: d combo.
asciilifeform: i deeply dun get it, what is so greatly sane about snarfing down the transubstantiation, trinities, etc. crapolade ?
asciilifeform: and yes these were glues holding empire together. fuck empire.
mircea_popescu: so defined by these two points, we notice that it goes exactly through, not "very close" but EXACTLY THROUGH eg heine's "Nur fürcht ich, wenn ein Gewitter entsteht, zieht leicht so eine Spitze herab auf euer romantisches Haupt des Himmels modernste Blitze!"
mircea_popescu: it's not "similar" fungus. it is precisely and genetically-identical the same fungus.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm not proposing any definite thing about the other party. what's so great about you know, making large stores of weapons only to have thieves take them.
asciilifeform: the only piece i'm not sold on is the 'liberasty kills every great empire' thing. yes, it is ~found in the corpse~ of every great empire, but it is precisely the aids fungi.
asciilifeform: can do 0 to healthy man.
mircea_popescu: i am not saying that.
mircea_popescu: they evidently didn't kill gengis.
mircea_popescu: and contrary to their asstears, the mongols built roads.
mircea_popescu: consider the very strict vlad the impaler - brasov merchants opposition. the "financial elites" proposed the guy's administration will result in you know, economic collapse. didn't.
mircea_popescu: understand : when dorks dork on about "putting abstract principles above the people themselves" in http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/ ; or when random nobody "does not have time to read logs" or "doesn't believe phuctor did so and so" or "doesn't see why should get a pgp key" or "doesn't think bitcoin can work" etc etc, there displayed is the SAME fundamental anti-idealism of the deliberately stupid l
mircea_popescu: azy as in heine's hate of the picklehaube, or as in the hughuenot anger at the quaint catholic nonsense.
mircea_popescu: what's bothering them about people who smoke ; and about people who say $random-forbidden-word ; and about people who do not care what their "laws" say ; or about those mean evil "incomprehensible" terorists, what got them all angry about the mob and so on and so forth is the same fundamental self-hatred.
mircea_popescu: it's not simply "how do other people dare not be miserable", but moreover - what if there's a little more to it all ? exactly the luciferic damnation, for that matter ; and exactly the one criticism pre ww2 jews never wanted to take seriously.
mircea_popescu: i'm not proposing idealism is acceptable, or good or the solution or anything. but i am outright saying that the specific sort of anti-idealism here displayed IS, in point of fact is, a mental disease.
mircea_popescu: and mental disease is unchanging. just like you can have dysentery or schizophrenia in 1592 you can have it in 1952. and you do. that's what it is.
BingoBoingo: Like the Chauchat, responsible for the deaths of many; but in the wrong direction.
mircea_popescu would very much like to hear challenges to the above theory, btw.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1573837 << planescape most definitely wines
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 16:42 asciilifeform: i'll be surprised if it 'wines' also.
mircea_popescu: !!up Joshua-I
deedbot: Joshua-I voiced for 30 minutes.
Joshua-I: Allo quick point about mental disease a la http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1574271
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 21:46 mircea_popescu: and mental disease is unchanging. just like you can have dysentery or schizophrenia in 1592 you can have it in 1952. and you do. that's what it is.
Joshua-I: Multiple personality disorder is considered a product of its times as it has mostly disappeared as of late
mircea_popescu: yeah well imaginary diseases are imaginary diseases. see "female hysteria" etc.
mircea_popescu: of course they disappear over time.
shinohai: Though there is still no known cure for redditardedness
mircea_popescu: shinohai hunger.
mircea_popescu: cures it instantly without sechellae in 100% of cases.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 21:43 mircea_popescu: understand : when dorks dork on about "putting abstract principles above the people themselves" in http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/ ; or when random nobody "does not have time to read logs" or "doesn't believe phuctor did so and so" or "doesn't see why should get a pgp key" or "doesn't think bitcoin can work" etc etc, there displayed is the SAME fundamental anti-idealism of the deliberately stupid l
Joshua-I: i'd say you only need the first
mircea_popescu: the first what ?
Joshua-I: like if you read the logs, believed in mathematics (lol), and proof of work. still the first thing would put you at odds
Joshua-I: i.e. "putting abstract principles above the people themselves"
mircea_popescu: well it's a succession of or
mircea_popescu: any one.
Joshua-I: but the point is this fundamental self hatred isn't necessarily limiting
Joshua-I: it doesn't necessarily imply anything at all ultimately if you will pursue any ends
mircea_popescu: like how do you mean ?
Joshua-I: like say you recognized the value in science / physical / sociological underpinnings but you were deranged
Joshua-I: and your 'abstract concept' was one of perhaps contradicting axioms
Joshua-I: so the real and the ends are fairly separated out from your internal satisfaction
Joshua-I: I'd be weary of saying how long such a thing can last tho
mircea_popescu: or if it even exists.
BingoBoingo: There is a solution
BingoBoingo: !~step4
jhvh1: 4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
adlai never understood wtf a "moral inventory" is
trinque didn't understand wtf Joshua-I is trying to say
trinque: buncha loosely associated statements and fluff words
Joshua-I: but exactly trinque
adlai: sounds like the same bs rai dalyo rambles about in his multiple-hundred-page copypasta about "principles" and how life is all about discovering your principles, then he gives as an example of such a "principle" - gravitation
Joshua-I: the brain is capable of loosely associating and therefore opens this possibility up
trinque: Joshua-I: it's rude to meta people you just met !1!11
mircea_popescu: adlai i suspect in us-english parlance of the time, "moral" simply means "abstract". ie, don't count your ballsac.
mircea_popescu: (the division seen in moral philosophy vs material philosophy aka physics)
BingoBoingo: adlai: Instructions begin with the last paragraph on page 63 and continue through the end of the chapter. Chapter 6 "Into Action" begin step 5.
Joshua-I: trinque: I like to keep things interesting
ben_vulpes idly enumerates his ballsac
adlai: this btw is top-grade "eldritch horror": https://www.principles.com/#Principles
Joshua-I: Open question before I go workout: what kind of basis do you use for 'moral'? Utilitarian? Virtue?
mircea_popescu: i think you should go work out.
adlai: Joshua-I: i believe the only person who regularly talks about "moral [inventory]" uses the Big Book
mircea_popescu: "What follows are three distinct parts that can be read either independently or as a connected whole." aaand he lost me.
BingoBoingo: Joshua-I: A honest basis.
BingoBoingo: As you understand it
mircea_popescu: same sauce as goes in "a plain reading" of eg constitution.
mats: asciilifeform: is there something wrong with the items on alibaba?
mircea_popescu: anyway, to expound on the whole huguenot issue : a) who expanded the medieval notion of "universitas" to a notion of "popular sovereignity" in the sense of "the people" being a unit, better and different from its constituent parts, and better than the king at hearing god, and to be represented by parliaments ? b) who broke with legist theory of "tyrant = whosoever opposes the monarch" to introduce a transcription of calvin's
mircea_popescu: new ideas of impeachable kings ? c) who did max weber identify as part of a "rationalization" (aka enlightening, or in proper words pedestrian-anti-idealism) of abstractions in europe ?
mircea_popescu: we could go on.
mircea_popescu: and since we're doing this,
mircea_popescu: !~google beerwolf
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Beerwolf : Oracle's Prophecy (Album): <https://beerwolf.bandcamp.com/>; Beerwolf | Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/beerwolfmusic/>; Beerwolf Books: <http://beerwolfbooks.com/>
mircea_popescu: !~google beerwolf luther
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Beerwolf - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beerwolf>; Luther and the Justifiability of Resistance to Legitimate Authority: <http://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi%3Farticle%3D1150%26context%3Dfacpub>; Meaning of Beerwolf - Encyclo: <http://www.encyclo.co.uk/meaning-of-Beerwolf>
hanbot: http://logs.minigame.bz/latest.log.html#t20:06:54 << iirc was 25310, if that's at all useful. anyway, thanks for looking into it diana_coman
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1573903 << that is one of the best games ever. i have many memories of high school drunken debaucheries, where a small clique would periodically dip out, one by one, to perform their next move in heroes on the family computer
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 17:22 mircea_popescu: and magic proggy is heroes 2 gold via dosbox.
hanbot: mmyeah wrong channel, dun mind me.
mircea_popescu: i agree, probably best game ever made. > chess.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1574333 << 1) i want the raw chip 2) i want a steady supplier, not a d00d with 0 connection to my wot (including vendors i've personally used as 'connection' for this purpose)
asciilifeform: 'some d00d on $phorum promises megatonne for a penny' is not 'supplier'.
mircea_popescu: in proper terms, "it's too expensive to 100% test each individual unit"
asciilifeform: in related lulz, https://archive.is/ZNpzl << 'extremists'
asciilifeform: (incidentally linked piece is disinfo, per https://www.coreboot.org/pipermail/coreboot/2016-November/082331.html , the 'me' is not really dead )
asciilifeform: mats: i will underscore the point: i am entirely, thoroughly, monumentally disinterested in purchasing industrial component where i gotta make a cousin-fucking relationship with some orc even before i get something like a quote. no anonymous cash'n'carry? not wanted in my supply line, not if there is an alternative.
asciilifeform: (cash'n'carry and i-switch-suppliers-on-a-five-minute-whim are your only guards against doctored-chip-just-for-you-at-ftmeade)
asciilifeform: fungibility, in short.
mats: i'm tracking
mats: message received
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1574186 << "embrace comfort" -- men behaving like women. this defiles the land
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 21:05 mircea_popescu: hardly. subcultures that embrace comfort do lasting damage to the geography. which is how and why mexico is a shithole now - the aztecs lived there. which is why and how ukraina and the dalmatian coast are shitholes now - byzantines lived nearby.
danielpbarron: !~bible leviticus 18:24-25
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Leviticus 18:24 :: Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Leviticus 18:25 :: And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
danielpbarron: !~bible 1 corinthians 6:9
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] 1 Corinthians 6:9 :: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1574215 << yes this is apparently the correct approach
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 21:16 mircea_popescu: twenty years ago i was appalled at the atrocity of the original most serene republic sacking constantinople. now i am very much remiss they left anyone alive or any one thing standing, should have merv'd the fucking place.
danielpbarron: !~bible 1 samuel 15:3
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] 1 Samuel 15:3 :: Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
mircea_popescu: obviously suckling and ass collided in my head.
mircea_popescu: in other news, icann changed "domain lock" for transfers to... 60 days.
mircea_popescu: (evidently, not going to apply to usg-stolen domains)
asciilifeform: what was it before ?
mircea_popescu: orinigally, nothing ; then it was made a day, then 5.
mircea_popescu: are they valid unicode ?
phf: no idea, and too lazy to investigate. i found it because apparently valid unicode pistol emoji was changed from realistic looking gun to a water gun
asciilifeform: ^ was in the l0gz
mircea_popescu: oh wait, blonde chicks surf cuz they're from california right ? and black chicks basketball. makes perfect sense. wanna bet the swimmer's a brunette ?
phf: asciilifeform: oh i missed that
mircea_popescu: i thought you participated in the discussion lol
asciilifeform: !#s ☭
phf: i've gotten to a point with logs, where most of my log memories are stored in logs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check it out scrat owns joo!
asciilifeform: what's a scrat
mircea_popescu: phf i'm sitting here trying to come up with something but i'm sitting here trying to come up with something but i'm sitting here trying to come up with something but...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the first mention of the sicke hammer
a111: Logged on 2013-07-22 16:00 Scrat: ☭ bcstats
asciilifeform: hande h卍ch!
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EBD6ADEA8F36F0E9B3BD59E666A97C08A93C659D8E2935E2ED6A9AAAEF81DC8E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1175...4733 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.40 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.40 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
asciilifeform: trinque: how much sweat would it take to add procedure, attempt http (80) and https (445) on phucked ip, then post http title, if found, and in case of ssl, cert id string
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4C1F1DF711FA0B4E2F5F99F37821FFCD45F8B4336A79C4039654EA3B14C6AE2A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1175...4733 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.185 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.185 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EBD6ADEA8F36F0E9B3BD59E666A97C08A93C659D8E2935E2ED6A9AAAEF81DC8E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1175...4733 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.40 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.40 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
mircea_popescu: as part of fucking deedbot ? no wai.
mircea_popescu: talk to shinohai Framedragger pete_dushenski who else had a bot
asciilifeform: hey it isn't any crazier than the geoip routine
mircea_popescu: i guess not.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-29#1574405 << it's the usual 'let's MONETIZE!1111 other people's work' spamolade
a111: Logged on 2016-11-29 01:59 mircea_popescu: and in other news da fuck is https://karlened.herokuapp.com/Genesis-V-Manual.pdf
mircea_popescu: how's monetize supposed to work.
mod6: nowai
mod6 looks
asciilifeform: 1) crawl www 2) perl script converts to 'ebook' 3) spam to idiots 4) ???
mod6: "sign up for phree!" eat my balls.
asciilifeform: 'heroku' is a paul graham operation iirc
asciilifeform: and it 'works' like all grahamisms -- by being sold to a greater fool, somewhere, somehow
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how they figure trump's gonna be printing for this.
asciilifeform: same way as obump.
mircea_popescu: i dun see it.
mircea_popescu: he got keystone to pay for.
asciilifeform: what, spreadshit at ye olde fed needs 42 bits but only takes 41..?
mircea_popescu: he's not doing it.
mircea_popescu: "m&a market" in the sense of bullshit "tech companies" of the software ilk is looking at a 99% contraction in 2017.
asciilifeform: nobody's gonna ask him -- just like deindustrialization program is happening whether or not some old d00d signs xyz treaty or not
ben_vulpes: heroku graham << citation needed
mircea_popescu: do you know what software m&a market was in 2016, or 2015, or any point, so you can compare ?
ben_vulpes: wholly owned by salesfarce these days
ben_vulpes: employs many an orbiting babe
ben_vulpes waves at babes
mod6: ben_vulpes: haha.
ben_vulpes: fuck me sideways
mircea_popescu: he's adorable when he thinks he knows a thing!
ben_vulpes: whatever, crunchbase took 2 seconds to return a page, i killed the process
mircea_popescu: actually apparently... crunchbase no longer actually works ?
ben_vulpes: but lookie at the mircea_popescu citing sv's own propaganda machine
mircea_popescu: hey, at issue is relations between stalin and hitler. propaganda is valid sauce.
asciilifeform: it wasn't mega-seekrit, ben_vulpes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i should have quoted medium at him huh.
asciilifeform: graham mentioned it in various bloviations of his
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: try livejournal, i eat livejournal urls
asciilifeform: and the yc people had public parades etc.
ben_vulpes: lj never took 2 seconds to return a simple html page...
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: who, i'm now curious, did you ~think~ made it
mircea_popescu: "innovation" "youth"
asciilifeform: thing had all of the classic stigmata of pgism
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: anonymous web properties have authors now?
ben_vulpes: i never saw a signed anything, couldn't possible say "who" "did" anything
asciilifeform: not authors, funders
ben_vulpes: possibly*
asciilifeform: somebody feeds the monkeys.
ben_vulpes: "made it"
ben_vulpes: shotgun blasts of capital don't really count for "made"
ben_vulpes cranes at the salt in his ass
asciilifeform: sure does. shotgun -- makes hole
asciilifeform: and who tosses meat onto hot pavement, for the flies, makes the sticky mess.
ben_vulpes: ah, the spontaneous generation argument
asciilifeform: no idiots with massive leaking bags of printolade -- no herokus.
ben_vulpes: no individual may be credited with leaking printolade. it -- leaks.
ben_vulpes: absolutely sole purpose is to render savings moot.
mircea_popescu: what is the topic ?
ben_vulpes: whether the investors made the tin woman, obvs
mircea_popescu: is heroku anything more than a pretentious website and a few dozen boxes rented in a dc somewhere ?
mircea_popescu: ie, was something actually made ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: omg hate speech as if to assume they even have their own boxes!
ben_vulpes: entire thing runs atop bezos' virtu-staxx
mircea_popescu: hence "rented".
phf: afaik heroku invented the whole "container" thing, i.e. instead of oldfag unixing you have a thing with many slots, that takes ruby code, provides postgresql, etc. so that you don't actually need to know anything outside of your rails world
mircea_popescu: right, IaaS, ignorance as a service.
asciilifeform: 'deskilling'
ben_vulpes: lxc didn't predate?
asciilifeform: pg's own 'viaweb' was -- supposedly -- the original.
phf: ben_vulpes: no
asciilifeform: hence the 1,001 imitations his students made.
ben_vulpes: phf: the things one learns!
phf: ben_vulpes: it is rather unfortunate how much time i wasted "following along", i know things now
ben_vulpes considering "deskilling" the entire mobile-app "api server" with judicious compilation of libpq
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes et al -- at some point there was a great 'savings ~never~ really worked' mircea_popescu thread
asciilifeform: if anyone remembers when it was, stick a pointer here in the l0gz, imho it belongs.
asciilifeform: there was iirc something about how an economic landscape stable enough for 'savings' is an ephemeral and quite unnatural thing, rather like billiard table
asciilifeform: ( or possibly asciilifeform dreamed this )
phf: nah, i'm pretty sure it was during my 6 months
mircea_popescu: and it also goes re "trade". yes the brits experienced a period of "hey, trade creates wealth". guess what - it created out of burning china's empire. spain idem. and the portuguese too.
mircea_popescu: this whole "trade will make social problems go away" is just another "we'll feed ourselves with our own plaque".
BingoBoingo: !!up Garmin
deedbot: Garmin voiced for 30 minutes.
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