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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you shoulda taken pics then lol, with the pics now it'd have been a great blogpost.
mircea_popescu: "a school that has a huge lgbt community" ahahahaha gimme a break.
mircea_popescu: i suppose next is a boot camp that has a huge intellectual community so nobody can do cleaning detail.
mircea_popescu: the least debated portion of trump's tax plan ? going from 12.6/6.3k standard deduction for peons to 30k/15k.
mircea_popescu: this reflects an inflation of (30÷12.6)^(1÷12) = 7.5pa since bush2.
mircea_popescu: (he's also taking out the estate tax. dude's REALLY trying to make the empire remnant republic friendly.)
mircea_popescu: goodwin is right, a nyt bankruptcy / slashdot sale is very much in the books for 2017.
mircea_popescu: if any of you is looking to buy a worthless paper asset - by all means, make an offer. odds are pretty good you'll be able to personally humiliate and then fire hundreds of "new york elites" (in their own head).
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/ << Trilema - And they won't fucking yield.
mircea_popescu: in other news, man that bridget kelly is hawt.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-13#1566700 << and the shortfall will come from where, sale of harvard gurlz on syrian market ? one can dream...
a111: Logged on 2016-11-13 14:21 mircea_popescu: the least debated portion of trump's tax plan ? going from 12.6/6.3k standard deduction for peons to 30k/15k.
asciilifeform: thus far mr t's list is most reminiscent imho of jimmy carter's campaign plank, where he promised to 'show the aliens'
asciilifeform: while it is not afaik impossible for a 70 y.o. d00d to climb out of 'presidential' cockpit, where most of the knobs are not connected to anything, and into 'fuhrer' cockpit, where they are...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha. he's about 10trn deficit for the first 18 months or so.
mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe china will be so impressed with "being labeled" whatever and having some derpy butter-smelling dorks in suits bark at its ankles it'll underwrite even moar us debt
mircea_popescu: anything is possibru!
asciilifeform: i still do not fully grasp the intricate chumpatron that is chinese trade with usa
asciilifeform: in exchange for what, exactly, do they send the plastic toys.
asciilifeform: shares in imaginary 'great again's ?
asciilifeform: is it possible that there are 'two chinas', one healthy, that makes gear for self - pencils, jet fighters, et al, and one diseased, that is in any possible light really part of the american chumpatronic system, that uses up valuable resourced & labour to make plastic orange pumpking for halloween decorations in usa, ipnohe, etc. ?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: re. dorks registering trilema, gotcha. i wasn't sure how "human-neutral" you imagined the system to be (I wasn't thinking of anything along the crazy lines of "no humans needed" ethereum, note).
asciilifeform: *resources
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're great collectors of art.
asciilifeform: how's that work? usa pays in van goghs ?
mircea_popescu: consider the case of a very hot chick. the... churly, impotent approach is to go "she's a slut, i don't give a shit about her" like that, off the top.
mircea_popescu: the actual adult male will first fuck her into pudding, and THEN decide she's justr a slut he doesn't give a shit about.
mircea_popescu: china got a lot of enjoyment out of the first generations of kids to go to harvard in the 80s, and out of the first imported murican tchotchkes to put up for display in the village museum. recall the boiled mangos story ?
mircea_popescu: great admirers of art.
asciilifeform: betcha this is how pashtuns see white man, 'fool, dismisses perfectly fine donkey without even fucking ONCE!111'
mircea_popescu: quite possibly.
asciilifeform: if they actually subscribe to this 'shoot first, then ask questions' approach, then china is properly part of usa
asciilifeform: as in, infected with same syphilis, and will go to same place.
mircea_popescu: it's a foolish notion this, that by putting the slave to work you're benefiting out of their sweat. not so. all the ancient stories go on to tell how the hardworked orphan girl upset the arranged marriage of the princess ; and my own experience show the exact same : what useful labour you extract out of the slave is naught compared to the slave's educational benefits.
mircea_popescu: so really - they keep sending the plastic toys because who gives a shit.
mircea_popescu: the real money is in china.
asciilifeform: the nonrenewable lanthanides give a shit.
mircea_popescu: apparently they did the math and it came out "not so".
mircea_popescu: truth be told you have nfi how much they hold.
asciilifeform: hey, ru also went '1,2,3,infinite petro'
asciilifeform: but there are no infinites.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: re. dns which serves the republicans, and thinking along those lines ("are you in good standing to even register a name?"), fair enough if you'd prefer to have someone else than me do the republican dns thing. (i'd be interested, and would be good education, but then, republican efforts != educational charity). :)
asciilifeform: stalin understood the basic problem with exporting nonrenewables in exchange for paper.
asciilifeform: ( it is exactly what a colony does, the only +ev form of colonial rape even. )
mircea_popescu: Framedragger note that i don't particularly see the value in restrictioning anything. in principle anyone should be able to register a domain for his bitcent - even if he puts no gpg key in there. he just won't be able to admin it, big whoop./
mircea_popescu: this doesn't relate to an early stage where we draw up who owns what from the legacy world.
Framedragger: aha. i see what you mean.
Framedragger: oh, that is for certain. "are you apple? really - prove it."
mircea_popescu: nothing keeps them EVEN NOW from making an account to be prepared for it. nothing, of course, other than their petulant, obsessive hatred of humanity.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i'd imagine making any changes to domain records to be a matter of sending a pgpgram, like you said and like mpex works.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand : trading "nonrenewables" for machinery is EXACTLY how all human industry works. whether you use up some steel to have a bunch of idiots experiment with it to make a cannon ; or ship some to blackbox for cannon to come out is in the end just a matter of ratios.
mircea_popescu: (eg if you only ever want 500 cannons and the ratio for the research is 1:1000 whereas the black box ratio is 1:500, then you're better off doing the black box if available)
asciilifeform: trading cannon for paper is trading 'protocol' for 'promise'.
mircea_popescu: you don't have to trade for paper.
asciilifeform: (and the chinese do it with known fraud artists whose promises are worth ~0)
mircea_popescu: i'm in no great position to judge china's actual exposure, esp because they're so manically secretive. i dun expect you're in any better.
asciilifeform: i for one have nfi what usa has to offer other than promises.
mircea_popescu: so far as can be seen their investments worked judiciously.
asciilifeform: maybe - stockpile of virgin unicorn tears. for all i know.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this can be said for any investment in a pyramid all the way until the end.
asciilifeform: judicious, then, suddenly, not so much.
mircea_popescu: the us taxpayer seems more likely to be left with the bagholding, than china, but who's to know the future.
asciilifeform: i do not expect to personally live to verify this guess, but i suspect that the chinese will remember the 1980-20xx period as something akin to the opium wars
asciilifeform: a national mistake, like the old dope habit.
mircea_popescu: notrly. it turned them from the mudpacking "cultural revolution" to an industrial superpower. it's the most important moment of chinese history, throughout its 6 millenia.
mircea_popescu: it'll more likely be celebrated, like "victory-over-japan" day.
asciilifeform: now i have nfi how much of the 'super' industry is geared for jet fighter, and how much - for plastic pumpkins and ipnohe.
asciilifeform: answer might depend on this.
mircea_popescu: look, 1970 china was ~on par with n korea. they could make kalash rounds, maybe, if someone helped a little.
mircea_popescu: 2010 china owns the us in rocketry.
asciilifeform: north kr also owns usa in rocketry.
asciilifeform: (they have, iirc, at least 1 working launch system. unlike usa.)
a111: Logged on 2016-11-13 17:39 mircea_popescu: nothing keeps them EVEN NOW from making an account to be prepared for it. nothing, of course, other than their petulant, obsessive hatred of humanity.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-11 22:08 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-11#1566143 << this is the core of "private banking". "do you have a lot of money ? are you too dumb to understand how wires work ? we only cost $500 a month (+some % of your every move in small print)"
asciilifeform: amoeba cannot surrender, it has no nervous system
asciilifeform: let's work this one out, for educational lulz
asciilifeform: picture if 'apple makes pgp key'
asciilifeform: what this means ? that now 1 d00d 'is apple', like louis l'etat c'est moi ?
asciilifeform: this is not plug-compatible with fiat reich.
asciilifeform: where 'apple' is an organization, with board, etc.
mircea_popescu: the question is not what the "new york elite" / press jewry wants or thinks possible.
mircea_popescu: the dick will go in, and all the way.,
mircea_popescu: that's all.
asciilifeform: so -- it'd be a lie, if some d00d, even the resurrected corpse of jobs, etc., showed up with key and said 'i am apple'
asciilifeform: apple - is an amoeba.
mircea_popescu: not a lie. the only possible truth.
mircea_popescu: the other thing is the lie.
asciilifeform: well he goes into work the next day and the door dun open.
asciilifeform: so now 'apple' is very small and consists of 1 unemployed ex-ceo d00d, or..
mircea_popescu: i'm sure it'll open. consider : even someone from thje fucking mailroom could have the sense to make the damned key. then in six months to a year and a half when they have desperate board meetings over "nobody could have predicted ; wut do" he waltzes in, gives them the key, becomes "vp for not being dumb"
mircea_popescu: the republic, here as everywhere, now as always, forces a certain mode of life. where people matter ; where individuals rule ; etcetera.
mircea_popescu: that an endless list of retards fail to take advantage speaks nothing of interest to the republic.
mircea_popescu: chairs also don't vote ; this is of no electoral interest whatsoever.
asciilifeform: i'm still not sold on the concept of a pgp key in multiple pockets being any different an affair from old fiatola reich control.
mircea_popescu: they can implement it any way they want.
mircea_popescu: some work better than others, of course, which happens to be fine.
asciilifeform: 1 man - 1 key ; sanity. 11 men, 23 winblows boxes, 1 key -- soup.
asciilifeform: and when you have the soup, the inevitable 'exceptions' are demanded, and given.
asciilifeform: and suddenly no more 'who holds the key, controls crapple'
asciilifeform: suddenly, 'shareholders' with 'rights.'
mircea_popescu: why do you care ?
mircea_popescu: let them run their own household. they're the "cutting edge advanced tech cum harvard grad" corp, not you.
asciilifeform: because even the hypothetical is an abuse, imho, of basic physical law, like 'one day 2==1'
asciilifeform: 'shall be delivered' is imho best possible illustration of what i spoke of here.
mircea_popescu: anyone's free to do things whichever way they wish, what. they then get to live with the results.
asciilifeform: i suspect that the most interesting 'fault lines' might be the ~existing~ 'mail room clerks with key'
asciilifeform: namely, the folks in physical possession of the magic keys for amd, intel, crapple, etc.
mircea_popescu: possibly.
asciilifeform: it is already, consider, quite physically possible for some d00d to register here with the amd key (visible in phuctor)
mircea_popescu: the broken one ?
asciilifeform: then -- we know he has what to offer.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the half dozen nonbroken ones
asciilifeform: burned into the mask rom
mircea_popescu: ah yeah, ok.
mircea_popescu: he certainly gets amd.com or w/e.
asciilifeform: (a ~broken~ key on phuctor is worth the skin of a dead donkey)
asciilifeform: likewise, if microshit wants to talk, or even participate on tmsr planet in the face of 1 surviving d00d, it can sign with its master key.
asciilifeform: in this type of case, and only this type, do we have any 'protocolic' proof that the key represents actual power remaining from the old organization, and not 'mail room clerk with high selfesteem'
mircea_popescu: it matters little.
mircea_popescu: i am not concerned with the pretense of fiat orgs, not even so much as to regard a supposed "continuity" as relevant.
asciilifeform: it is relevant if and only if a key has 'teeth', e.g., opens backdoor in every x86 box on the net, etc.
asciilifeform: otherwise -- academic.
mircea_popescu: apparently no shortage of backdoors anyway.
mircea_popescu: by now it's apparent they're so many every discrete point is overlapped by an uncountable set.
asciilifeform: 'disposable,' patchable pwnholes are not quite same thing as iron backdoor.
asciilifeform: (i.e. the 'glass cannon' saved for the 'end times')
Framedragger: incidentally, iirc apple does have a key for security@apple.com or somesuch; would be amusing if later on, a 'security' intern at apple (who was the one to create the key as nobody else bothered with it) came forward..
asciilifeform: Framedragger: a corrupted version of this key popped on phuctor a while back.
mircea_popescu: hey. true social mobility ; as opposed to the factitious sort the usg promotes.
asciilifeform: aaaaaaaaaand speaking of the pwned, https://www.leakedsource.com/blog/friendfinder << BingoBoingo / qntra ??
Framedragger: asciilifeform: ah yeah! amsuing.
mircea_popescu: who are you suing ?
asciilifeform: (bastard blocks archive.is. this is really a thing that needs a Final Solution, ovens & all )
mircea_popescu: i think it's just badly set up, i don't see it either.
Framedragger: amsuing.com is framedragger's future "How to sue 1-2-3" service, details tbd.
mircea_popescu: anyway, "we've decided not to leak anything so please give a shit". i... don't give a shit.
mircea_popescu: 2nd hand retellers be 2nd hand retellers.
asciilifeform: afaik 0 leak yet from 1sthand mouth.
asciilifeform: (not, at any rate, public.)
mircea_popescu: ftr ima join #opennic see what it's all about because of comment on dns swamp article
mircea_popescu: what's the ip for that ?
ben_vulpes: same as t'other
mircea_popescu: i guess you have your work of edumancation the masses cut out for you.
ben_vulpes: i have my work of * cut out for me, yo
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : https://archive.is/am4m2 coming from the future (i think nov 21st is still next week right ?) one Amy Davidson makes exactly the argument for tmsr, just somehow insanely applied to the progre party. "The more interesting question is how people in political life approach what they may regard as a duty to serve their country, whoever the President may be, while preserving their dignity and their decency. This in
mircea_popescu: cludes those with special expertise, as well as members of the foreign service, and other civil servants." ie, "your whole delusion of existence is predicated on experts supporting it".
mircea_popescu: how exactly she reconciles progre ignorance with this pretense to expertise is not particularly interesting here ; but apparently even the last niggled comprehends that the republic prevails, no questions asked.
ben_vulpes: the "shadowdragon" handle doesn
ben_vulpes: 't inspire confidence
mircea_popescu: people gotta get a chance, that's all. what they do with it...
ben_vulpes: now i'm getting pms to determine if i'm a furry
mircea_popescu: makes sense.
mircea_popescu: and in other mosul news, presuming anyone gives a shit : karkojli "liberated" ; nimrud not.
mircea_popescu: bout a month in the carnage ; certainly not halfway done.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: apologies if you deem this masturbatory at this point, but one more curious q re. jurisdictional matters for dns - just interested what you think - so would the republican dns allow registration of any arbitrary TLDs (.cocks etc)? i assume there is no reason not to allow for that?
shinohai: why not .lemonparty
mircea_popescu: sure, why not
mircea_popescu: any string is any string.
Framedragger: apart from the lulz, the point would be, i suppose, that there should be no reason to disallow for that. assuming registering party is in good standing within WoT; and if there were an actual .lemonparty on current reptilian dns, they'd better cough up a pgp sig.
mircea_popescu: (this is in the article too, random.arbitrary)
Framedragger: right.
mircea_popescu: i don't, however, see any future for utf domain names.
Framedragger: i was just looking at IDN TLDs. myeah, a bit of clusterfuck
ben_vulpes: burn the tlds.
ben_vulpes: is there any reason one couldn't host 'com' as a domain, absent the crown concessions?
mircea_popescu: none. any string is any string.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: and it's a matter of first-come, first-serve (assuming no conflicts with names owned by established keys)?
mircea_popescu: (bad dns implementations may prevent client from quering for the ip of "vulpes", but that is a problem to be fixed by self-same clients)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger pretty much.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: and if A registered fags.com and later an established WoT member B, started a commercial "fags" project, B shouldn't be able to claim ownership of A's fags.com, presumably? sorry if this should be stupidly obvious, there is some.. conceptual ground to be covered
Framedragger: (covered by me, that is, i.e. i'm a bit..behind)
Framedragger: ^ punctuation wrong, excessive commas
mircea_popescu: Framedragger well he can buy it.
mircea_popescu: i guess.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/341F5F22B677175F46A2C6F87A2F74BADC483E18EB1E656570344DD213EE327C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 31005686945950767346869798203302530896148655064259347472347220442209769254413352177384260278331050342456445126481343091027696015873408329180286505324090208791356401685488632594573639626011967028852284987701096711563071936459451551456586408347519841053310079208801257166857909170039731960765892368543865804443052865290666
asciilifeform: holy SHIT
asciilifeform: live! 8192b key
mircea_popescu: securer than 4096!
asciilifeform: not mirrored, not flipolade, exp standard
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wanna write to them ?
asciilifeform: or straight to qntra
asciilifeform bbl, meat
mircea_popescu: what's wrong with teh log ?
ben_vulpes: phfs or Framedraggers?
ben_vulpes: casual inspection indicates...nothing?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no i just meant, why write to them/qntra etc, it's in the log, good enough.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : marcel lazar (allegedly, guccifer), repatriated to romania.
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz of a strictly for-expert-entomologists nature, this "opposite of sex" movie is the epitome of jew fantasy land. the whole thing is driven by women, of the irresponsible and mercenary "it's my sweet body and i'll smoke if i want to" (christina ricci) type vs utter unbelievable nag who thinks herself in charge (lisa kudrow). the men are at best ineffectual and spineless (the policeman) or otherwise utterly dum
mircea_popescu: b (the various bfs of the slut) and obviously mostly gay.
mircea_popescu: it's a pretty bad film, but it does typify a mental condition which, lulzily, believed itself normalcy for a brief period in the early 21st century.
mats: http://imgur.com/S0nW8jc TIL some vending machines run on windows
shinohai: Please do not uncap your CocaCola while Windows updates are installing .....
mircea_popescu: no shaders on box ? is windows minimalistic now ?!
mats: i tried to click through to details, no luck
mats: stupid touchscreen
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-13#1566897 << nice. phucted simply by sharing a known-to-phuctor factor. on cursory glance appears to be in use - and from known uni - and i like the s3cur3 email of seclab at airgapped.sec.t-labs.tu-berlin.de !1
a111: Logged on 2016-11-13 21:43 asciilifeform: not mirrored, not flipolade, exp standard
Framedragger: sweet dreams! bbl.
mircea_popescu: but yes, congratulations are definitely in order for alf's foresight in implementing phuctor as he did. w/o the 8ball that module'd have never fallen.
shinohai would be more scared of what filth is in that carpet than in either vagina.
mircea_popescu: lone qtip has crusty tales to tell.
ben_vulpes: a gross
mircea_popescu: people don't generally understand WHY amateur pornography is so popular ; they imagine like tlp it has to do with proper porn being boring or something. not so - it's just that cameras don't photohgraph odours.
mircea_popescu: if they did - gonzo'd be more rad than gore.
BingoBoingo: Pls to be moar annoying. Midterm elections are coming up soon https://archive.is/pXaw2
BingoBoingo: !~bcstats
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 438794 | Current Difficulty: 2.546201873040614E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 439487 | Next Difficulty In: 693 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 16 hours, 22 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
BingoBoingo: I remember that day.
mircea_popescu: funny thing when an ed article is actually better on any reasonable scoring than anything the jewry spewed out on the topic.
mircea_popescu: this ted danson is just about ready to go the way of the other, practically out of the 18 month best-by date. or am i confusing the very famous with that britney durham chick whatever her name was ? the white trash "singer" / newswoman whatever ?
mircea_popescu: https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/3/3a/ClintonDraft005.png << fucking schmuck should need a permit to wear three piece suits wtf is this nonsense.
BingoBoingo: lol, Much has changed in the decade since MP's visit to the swamp
mircea_popescu: https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/7/70/Theneweuropeans.jpg << meh, the other racists had much better posters. why the everloving is her cunt covered ?!
BingoBoingo: Maybe because illustrator hasn't seen one? This is the internet.
mircea_popescu: myeah, the ombilical cord is also very unconvincing. pity, the anatomically correct representation of viscera drives a lot of visceral appeal.
mircea_popescu: losers dun know what they're losing out on.
mircea_popescu: "western dollars not worth the hassle ; get lost"
hanbot: hey jurov where do the treasurer's reports go? not on explo.yt/deedbot?
hanbot: oh mailing list eh. why not deed em?
deedbot: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: painless enuff
deedbot: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: this is actually pretty cool.
deedbot: accepted: 1
mod6: thx mircea_popescu & hanbot
mircea_popescu: mah pleasure.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/21B9669858203080326DB86F3AB1B88D51F892D38F17EA587F71640F604BA7AD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13118913265992357713749906968914856459229448329385353928317865240153186990772616410386066804476994406481496060266687741570826925431077185850750051547683307 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.65.247 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.65.247 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4E7AC0EEF980D94B18797FD2B95C091C4EAC05B15C9FCB329825F05B81B8D903 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13118913265992357713749906968914856459229448329385353928317865240153186990772616410386066804476994406481496060266687741570826925431077185850750051547683307 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.65.245 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.65.245 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E062C71137C09AE3CF48BE7F8A090EAA657B5715F7E6D6F4784AA45380ACD257 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13118913265992357713749906968914856459229448329385353928317865240153186990772616410386066804476994406481496060266687741570826925431077185850750051547683307 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '183.247.151.103 (ssh-rsa key from 183.247.151.103 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragge
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90FB0A6FDBCC29562706DB570C44344EDFF37AF529CEF92560914D7CE26B8192 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13118913265992357713749906968914856459229448329385353928317865240153186990772616410386066804476994406481496060266687741570826925431077185850750051547683307 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.73.151 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.73.151 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C961D62D59B78442DB2FA4C4ABC4CE874FE0E95418BBDA01785049DB58B02591 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13118913265992357713749906968914856459229448329385353928317865240153186990772616410386066804476994406481496060266687741570826925431077185850750051547683307 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.73.12 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.73.12 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on F
mod6: the phuctor phisting continues.
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