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BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 419376 | Current Difficulty: 2.133989253313239E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 421343 | Next Difficulty In: 1967 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 0 days, 8 hours, 35 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
deedbot: [Qntra] Bitcoin Network Difficulty Up ~1.88% With Subsidy Halving Days Away - http://qntra.net/2016/07/bitcoin-network-difficulty-up-1-88-with-subsidy-halving-days-away/
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: business partner of mine had a really good quote about millennial girls: "everyone decided to raise a fucking princess not a woman"
jurov: Some illustration pic for qntra: https://i.redd.it/qvynswrwca7x.jpg
BingoBoingo: ty jurov
shinohai: ^ priceless
shinohai: Man php/mysql is a steaming pile of horseshit.
shinohai: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4rbypl/saving_thedao_by_breaking_the_split_mechanism/d4zuhcr <<< you shouldn't have told the world our shit was broken, now we might actually have to fix it.
thestringpuller: lol php/mysql is what qntra runs on
shinohai: I still hate it
shinohai: Quite possibly it is this nasty box I am having to deal with, may try to obtain a Digital Ocean box later on this week
asciilifeform: phf: l0gz down again ??
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: is always first to notice. you must be reading logs most often.
asciilifeform: i woke up, wat
thestringpuller: i'm pretty sure you have logs directly inputted into your brain upon waking every morning
jurov: thestringpuller: no he said just waken up. that means he reads log when sleeping
jurov: if i did that, i'd get crazy, too
phf: the trick is to just start waking up before asciilifeform
thestringpuller: or hire a slave to be on-call
deedbot: [Qntra] Suicide Bombers Strike Saudi Arabia - http://qntra.net/2016/07/suicide-bombers-strike-saudi-arabia/
BingoBoingo: In other news, Qntra now has a "Weather Category" to document notable instances of Aloha Snackbar http://qntra.net/category/weather/
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/10CM
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: Also appears there are some eth users that are going to preserve old chain "Teh REALLY REAL ethereum" http://archive.is/Uf9nW
BingoBoingo: shinohai: editing "troubled altcoin" to more accurate "flaming tire fire in a shitpit"
BingoBoingo: shinohai: let me know if other new lulz are acceptable
shinohai: I'm sure they will be fine, I'm still at least another year away until I can rattle off lulz in the same manner.
BingoBoingo: Well can't help time
deedbot: [Qntra] Ether Huffers Continue Fall Into Depravity - http://qntra.net/2016/07/ether-huffers-continue-fall-into-depravity/
thestringpuller: Dat short sell tho
thestringpuller: why did i even come to work today
thestringpuller: ;;calc 81690479 * 3.50
gribble: 285916676.5
thestringpuller: so hardfork will result in doors being nailed shut
shinohai: Well looks like Hillary dodged a bullet with the feebs
asciilifeform: muppetshow, snore.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: only cares about his computer bretheren
thestringpuller: pretty sure when the machines take over that calculator will remember how well asciilifeform took care of it
asciilifeform: just not esp. excited about rigged matches.
thestringpuller: even if its proof of scam?
trinque: thing's well proved at this point.
thestringpuller: so said the prosecution when pursuing OJ
thestringpuller: glove don't fit, you must acquit
asciilifeform: not every muppet knows that it is a muppet.
shinohai: I am convinced that asciilifeform is really just some sort of AI comprised of Elbrus chips.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller iirc that's in trilema somewhere :D
deedbot: [Qntra] FBI Stooge Affirms Clinton Privilege - http://qntra.net/2016/07/fbi-stooge-affirms-clinton-privilege/
a111: Logged on 2016-07-05 12:30 shinohai: Man php/mysql is a steaming pile of horseshit.
phf: he's probably just reading it :>
mircea_popescu: ahahaha wut.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497337 << this is how you train sluts. "there's one pair of panties in the entire house, whichever wakes up first gets them.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-05 13:45 phf: the trick is to just start waking up before asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nobody read mysql what. it's automatically generated code on the basis of an old instance of lotus 1-2-3
shinohai: Nah, it was just setup woes on a remote Ubuntu server, which is getting replaced with Deb as we speak. Hopefully will go a bit smoother.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497356 << hey, gotta try and pickle the corpse somehow.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-05 15:13 thestringpuller: so hardfork will result in doors being nailed shut
mircea_popescu: (this, incidentally, was the main and is now the ~only reason for the ethereum hard fork. give a plausible excuse as to why nobody's trading it)
mircea_popescu: usg wants to save poloniex (ie, the owners, while somewhat tools, dun wanna be all-the-way tools) so you know, it'll just delist ethereum and that's that.
mircea_popescu: ready to go for the next reiteration of "oh noes, a-guy-that-isn't-mp-i-can-tell-by-some-signapixels beat the shit out of our bitcoin weakening improvements, so now we're making a shitcoin alternative to take over".
mircea_popescu: dat pendulum doth swing.
mircea_popescu: this being the seal on the deal : "Also, be extra careful with leveraged positions. For example, if you have leveraged ETH long pre-fork, you may end up with TWO leveraged long positions of ETH1 and ETH2 post-fork, with each position value at only a fraction of pre-fork ETH."
thestringpuller: I thought that poloniex exists entirely to allow whales to take money from altcoin scammers...
asciilifeform: 'In our system, the prosecutors make the decisions about whether charges are appropriate based on evidence the FBI has helped collect. Although we don’t normally make public our recommendations to the prosecutors, we frequently make recommendations and engage in productive conversations with prosecutors about what resolution may be appropriate, given the evidence. In this case, given the importance of the matter, I think unusual tr
asciilifeform: ansparency is in order. Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before bringing charges. There are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent. Responsible decisions also consider the context of a
asciilifeform: person’s actions, and how similar situations have been handled in the past.'
asciilifeform: (fbi dir. comey)
asciilifeform: heil clitler.
asciilifeform: what, genuinely thought she was prosecutable ?
trinque factors reasonable considerations, comes up with "No."
trinque: heh, so similar situations like Petraeus
asciilifeform: 'What I can assure the American people is that this investigation was done competently, honestly, and independently. No outside influence of any kind was brought to bear.'
asciilifeform: I AM NOT A CROOK!!!11111 (tm) (r)
asciilifeform: the man was telling the truth re 'no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case'. unless 'reasonable' can somehow include 'wants to be nailgunned'
mircea_popescu: "whales"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check it out, the clapham omnibus prosecutor! novel us doctrine!
mircea_popescu: i thought "our system" was such that the prosecutor, aiming for political office in a decade, will pursue the most fantastic claims out of a misguided desire for publicity, and then cover up the various fabrications. you know, like mayor of new york and ex bhahara giuliani ?
mircea_popescu: apparently they changed the system.
asciilifeform: picture if sov prosecutor tried to indict brezhnev
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497399 << check it out, he thinks himself mp!
a111: Logged on 2016-07-05 16:43 asciilifeform: 'What I can assure the American people is that this investigation was done competently, honestly, and independently. No outside influence of any kind was brought to bear.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform isn't there that joke with the drunk driving ?
mircea_popescu: "i dunno, but brejnev was driving him!"
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 669.99, vol: 3056.57236577 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 656.653, vol: 5709.61319 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 671.19, vol: 19882.569183 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 620.0, vol: 0.10022058 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 676.3005, vol: 37154.05810000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 673.76, vol: 885.80969504 | Volume-weighted last average: 672.771656934
phf: fe[nl]ix: precisely because of perf and profiling tools we're working on saving an SBCL core as ELF .o and create an executable with ld
phf: fe[nl]ix: currently QPX cannot be effectively profiled and that sucks
phf: asciilifeform: ^
phf: in case you're wondering who's driving the core of sbcl dev
asciilifeform: it is still developed ?!
phf: what is still developed?
phf: i thought ecl and sbcl are the only lisps that are in active development
phf: unless you're saying that you've been running your own personal fork for years and is ignorant of any going ons around the platform
asciilifeform: more or less
asciilifeform: did i miss anything ?
phf: not particularly, just the fact that sbcl development is now handled by google
thestringpuller: ;;seen jurov
gribble: jurov was last seen in #trilema 3 hours, 37 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <jurov> if i did that, i'd get crazy, too
thestringpuller: $google slovenian time
deedbot: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/slovenia/ljubljana << Current Local Time in Ljubljana, Slovenia | http://www.sloveniatimes.com/ << The Slovenia Times - Daily News and Features from Slovenia ... | http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_SI.aspx << Current local time in Slovenia
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: iirc he is in slovakia, but same time belt
phf: "he's from somewhere near transylvania. he has this whole dracula-cowboy thing about him."
jurov: wut
jurov: i do live in carpathians, but near the more boring end :D
BingoBoingo: Next qntra to hit deedbot is for alf
deedbot: [Qntra] Counterpoint: Maybe Comey Didn't Want To "Crush His Own Throat" #ClintonPrivilege - http://qntra.net/2016/07/counterpoint-maybe-comey-didnt-want-to-crush-his-own-throat-clintonprivilege/
shinohai: BingoBoingo on a roll today
BingoBoingo: A lot of things are coming together today
thestringpuller: It's a good news day.
shinohai: http://archive.is/Hp5ZQ <<< this subreddit has potential.
trinque: "Will fuck my father for 2 minutes and upload video for $50 USD in bitcoin." << slut either has an old boyfriend, or would've fucked her dad for $0
trinque: I call shenanigans.
ben_vulpes: http://cruisingwithgunhead.tumblr.com/post/146941117989/new-aesthetic-via-this-guy-irl-on-twitter << nobody could have predicted their using the optic nerve as a weapon
BingoBoingo: Also look what place is capable of upboating more than reddit: https://voat.co/v/Conspiracy/comments/1152197/5713439
asciilifeform: $s arkencide
deedbot: [Qntra] CoinJoin Not A Privacy Tool After All - http://qntra.net/2016/07/coinjoin-not-a-privacy-tool-after-all/
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: lol
BingoBoingo: Request: pls to let me know if I left any qntra posts about spree killings out of the "weather" category http://qntra.net/category/weather/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: 8======D ~~~~o O-;
wyrdmantis: $key mod6
wyrdmantis: $key asciilifeform
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 the link in trb.foundation STILL POINTS TO BITCOIN-ASSETS WIKI
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: soooo it appears that we do not have ~any~ recipe posted for building vtronic trb ?
asciilifeform: or did i misplace.
wyrdmantis: i need it very much because i'm n00b
jurov: wyrdmantis: you need to get stator and press the sources in directory where stator expects them
asciilifeform: stator is obsolete
asciilifeform: use rotor.
asciilifeform: (builds with musl, instead of glibc)
wyrdmantis groans
asciilifeform: wyrdmantis: your best bet is to wait for mod6 to wake up, iirc he had a draft of a recipe somewhere
wyrdmantis: ok, thanks asciilifeform
trinque: wyrdmantis: ^ afaik that's the latest build script.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-15 00:24 mod6: so looks like openssl did change to https, and if you want to build with 'http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh', for the time being simply update the script by changing line 63 from:
wyrdmantis: trinque thanks, i'm trying to follow this > http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin
wyrdmantis: with no luck
trinque: "no luck" is a terrible bug report!!!111!
wyrdmantis: it keep saying: Impossible to verify the sig: No public key
trinque: it's telling you the truth
wyrdmantis: i know that between the two he is right and i'm wrong
jurov: wyrdmantis: you're supposed to gather the pubkeys yourself
wyrdmantis: i've followed the guide literally
trinque: wyrdmantis: it assumes you know how to operate gpg
trinque: go find the key it's asking for and import that
jurov: and it assumes you know how to operate bash, too (to get more helpful information about failure, add set -x to the script)
ben_vulpes: buildroot sig?
BingoBoingo: $uo TheFactory7
BingoBoingo: $up TheFactory7
deedbot: TheFactory7 voiced for 30 minutes.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ;;later tell mod6 the link in trb.foundation STILL POINTS TO BITCOIN-ASSETS WIKI << Is this necessary?
mod6: o.O
mod6: I know it still points there.
mod6: As soon as we have a wiki page @ deedbot that doesn't have spaces in the URL, will change them.
TheFactory7: did you see netki raising money and working on know your customer aml integration on wallets?
mod6: shinohai, trinque ^ can someone please help me out with this? or do I not need an account to make the change?
mod6: ;;later tell wyrdmantis Yea, you need to gather the wot keys manually, this is by design. Please stop back in if you need more assistance.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: mod6: wyrdmantis showed up asking for handbook, and i had nfi what to give him.
asciilifeform: TheFactory7: did you see, somewhere in rural china a pig is eating shit ? even as we speak ?
trinque: shinohai: you gonna swap them to dash or somethin?
shinohai: mod6: I could try to change it to underscores maybe
trinque: dash plspls
shinohai: ok dashes
trinque offers again to just give ssh access to a dir somewhere over wiki
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/10IU <<< test messages per your last instructions
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: shinohai: please, please.
mod6: asciilifeform: calm down.
mod6: everything that is required to do for anyone is in wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin
trinque: asciilifeform likes to pretend he is sgt ru.mil!1!11!
mod6: it says: "Put the pubkeys of people you trust in there as name1.asc, name2.asc etc"
asciilifeform: mod6: i was damn sure there was a draft cookbook but i slept through it, and it was not yet posted to trb www.
asciilifeform: mod6: but i guess i dreamed it
BingoBoingo: shinohai: better, but SHA512 instead of SHA256
mod6: There is some extensive documentation to my V. Indeed, and we aspired to make the build recipie as simple as possible for the whole orchastra. So DPB (?) wrote it up and posted it at the previously linked place.
shinohai: Oh shit, my bad.
mod6: I will not relink any new article until it is a sane url.
TheFactory7: asciilifeform: no need to go to china for that
asciilifeform: TheFactory7: point being, i have nfi why anyone here would care whether some derp somewhere implemented usg's kyc
asciilifeform: i could be wrong.
mod6: <+mod6> it says: "Put the pubkeys of people you trust in there as name1.asc, name2.asc etc" << perhaps a parenthitical needs to be added to this that says: (This is a manual process.)
mod6: $up wyrdmantis
deedbot: wyrdmantis voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: trinque: links at top of wiki still non-functional for me as well
shinohai: Also, doesn't appear once article is made that I can change title, unless I am missing something.
mod6: Thanks for checking that otu
shinohai: Meaning I guess that I will have to redo the whole shebang, sorry guise
mod6: no sweat either way.
mod6: maybe trinque has a way around this; may be best to see what he says first before you rework the whole shebang
shinohai: `Dindustan`
BingoBoingo: What, they dindu it?
trinque: mod6: shinohai: we might want to switch to a better wiki if we're talking about a redo
trinque: if that thing doesn't have article name editing I'd have to add it, and I'd rather not end up developing cliki
mod6: yeah, alternatively i might just stand one up for the foundation
trinque: cliki seems like it sucks
mod6: and, i think we're just gonna change course here on that page "The Real Bitcoin"
mod6: we'll just get the HTML and post it right to the foundation instead.
mod6: problem solved.
trinque: I'm for that
jurov: O.o and how can be a wiki so slow?
trinque: eh it's just on a busy box
mod6: asciilifeform: can you confirm/deny that this list is up to date: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin/nodes ?
asciilifeform: it is horribly out of date.
asciilifeform: zoolag = 72.83.9.184
trinque: mod6: 172.86.178.46 << deedbot
asciilifeform: incitatus is long dead
mod6: trinque: is that the deedbot trb ip then?
asciilifeform: bucephalus is dead until the next time i can get to it, which won't be for ages
trinque: mod6: yeah
asciilifeform: 'mine' is mircea_popescu's box and it doesn't ping and hasn't in eons
asciilifeform: and i have nfi what he did with it
asciilifeform: 'coracle' belongs to ben_vulpes and also hasn't worked in eons
asciilifeform: this rounds out the list.
asciilifeform: $up Joshua-I
deedbot: Joshua-I voiced for 30 minutes.
mod6: i've got one that isn't public facing, but maybe i'll open it up
mod6: not right this second, but soon
Joshua-I: Hey I'm friends with Gabe.
Joshua-I: Haven't read all the logs yet, but I'm getting around to it
asciilifeform: Joshua-I: have pgp key ?
Joshua-I: Yeah I reg'd it
asciilifeform: go ahead and test
Joshua-I: Not rated so I can't up myself yet
asciilifeform: $rate Joshua-I 1 new blood.
mod6: ok so the Foundation homepage has been updated with a new link -- the page is stored locally.
Joshua-I: Thank you very much
mod6: In the next day or so, I'll get a full list of trusted nodes still up and update the page with that as well.
asciilifeform: $v D9B383045782564C09497E8D018408F4A7BA94601C7C1FC750C7C8372CF7936A
deedbot: asciilifeform rated Joshua-I 1 << new blood.
mod6: alright.
mod6: i just added a trusted nodes page with: deedbot's, zoolag's and pete d's ips: http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html
mod6: this is now linked from the home page as well.
mod6: hope this helps.
mod6: All: Let me know if you have a fully sync'd node (and you're in my WoT) and would like to be in this list. Thanks in advance.
asciilifeform cringes at reference to 'trusted' ips.
mod6: what would you hvae me change in either of the pages?
shinohai: I simply put "When adding nodes, ask for a signed list of IP addresses from somebody in your WoT. " in the how-to to avoid the "trusted" thing.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-05 17:09 phf: fe[nl]ix: precisely because of perf and profiling tools we're working on saving an SBCL core as ELF .o and create an executable with ld
a111: Logged on 2016-07-05 18:04 shinohai: http://archive.is/Hp5ZQ <<< this subreddit has potential.
shinohai: mircea_popescu: the collectalldrugs "girl" refused my request to come here and show tits.
mircea_popescu: oh, did you submit the thing
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497498 << the problem is that currently foreigners aiming to become citizens have no clear path to follow. this hasta be resolved, there must be a well maintained page somewhere they can find and follow.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-05 21:21 mod6: As soon as we have a wiki page @ deedbot that doesn't have spaces in the URL, will change them.
mircea_popescu: that should hold us for a while then.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497549 << is not. missing 91.218.246.31 ; 46.166.170.208 etc.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-05 22:16 mod6: asciilifeform: can you confirm/deny that this list is up to date: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin/nodes ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497586 << his problems is that ips aren't that strong an identification. nothing can be done about it for now, so whatevs.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-05 23:09 shinohai: I simply put "When adding nodes, ask for a signed list of IP addresses from somebody in your WoT. " in the how-to to avoid the "trusted" thing.
shinohai: This is limitation of tcp/ip unfortunately.
Joshua-I: Cool! So voicing myself worked. Sorry about leaving abruptly earlier: my free wifi time was up just as I logged in here
Joshua-I: Anyway, executive summary is I do web development typically
Joshua-I: Ty mircea
Joshua-I: And I've been hanging out with Gabe
mircea_popescu: what's a gabe ?
asciilifeform: 'http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin to become a citizen.' << this is open invitation to kako to emplace goatse
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497586 << mno. there is no mitm countermeasure because bitcoin nodes have no identity.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-05 23:09 shinohai: I simply put "When adding nodes, ask for a signed list of IP addresses from somebody in your WoT. " in the how-to to avoid the "trusted" thing.
asciilifeform: trinque: neato
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 00:14 shinohai: This is limitation of tcp/ip unfortunately.
Joshua-I: Mmm excellent
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu try as i might, i can't get the comment-staleness thing to work
gribble: The operation succeeded.
trinque: mod6: hey maybe the mircea_popescutronic wordpress is a better way to post TRB tutorials/updates than wiki
asciilifeform: has anyone other than phf gotten it to work 100% ?
trinque: I see value in keeping old tutorials available as historical items, for one
asciilifeform: (complete with enabling all antispam, etc)
shinohai: Working on it asciilifeform ... I just haven't had a decent box to run it all on
asciilifeform: even after adding the necessary hooks to the comments.php from particular theme, and the resulting html follows the pattern seen on mircea_popescu's site, i still get 'stale' error
asciilifeform: when submitting comment.
asciilifeform: unless whole antispam mechanism is commented out, which defeats the whole purpose of using mircea_popescu's item
Joshua-I: Guess I'll set up that trusted node stuff in a vm
Joshua-I: bbl going for dinner
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform got a better link ?
asciilifeform: for which
mircea_popescu: the goatse
asciilifeform: trb? trinque made one
asciilifeform: see l0gz from last hour
mircea_popescu: now then. what coment staleness ?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 00:26 trinque: mod6: hey maybe the mircea_popescutronic wordpress is a better way to post TRB tutorials/updates than wiki
asciilifeform: 'Looks like you tried to comment off a stale page. Reload the article, count to three and try again.' << that one.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497630 << notrly the whole purpose, but a good chunk sure.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 00:28 asciilifeform: unless whole antispam mechanism is commented out, which defeats the whole purpose of using mircea_popescu's item
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform link me to your instlal again what was it ?
asciilifeform: asciilifeform.com
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're missing comment_post_time
mircea_popescu: $comment_post_time
mircea_popescu: $s comment_post_time
a111: 5 results for "comment_post_time", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=comment_post_time
asciilifeform: where does it go
mircea_popescu: either lift it from his patch or else put it in the theme comments under comment_post_ID
asciilifeform: and yeah it worx, ty
asciilifeform: except hm
mircea_popescu: and you've got A LOT of things built in, not just "antispam". you got admin hardening ; gpg comments ; auto-spam tagging, ddos protection, anti-trackback flood and etc.
asciilifeform: does login persist by ip ?
asciilifeform: why does commenting inside fresh browser instance end up 'admin'
mircea_popescu: only admin login should exist ; works by cookie
asciilifeform: hm dun seem to actually work
asciilifeform: other than as logged in user
asciilifeform: it goes to mod queue
asciilifeform: but with 0 feedback to commenter
asciilifeform: just pops right back up at the form with empty contents
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so add feedback if you want feedback.
mircea_popescu: trilema has a info bit above the comment box instead.
asciilifeform: i have genuinely nfi how and where.
asciilifeform: there is a built-in 'if comment_approved' thing in the themes
asciilifeform: but for some reason the flag is not present ?
asciilifeform: this is particular to wp-mp
mircea_popescu: lol that's not claled "it dun work" now is it. for instance, if youy;d like your current "Your email is never published nor shared. Required fields are marked *" to read like my "If this is your first comment, it will wait to be approved. This usually takes a few hours. Subsequent comments are not delayed." then grep for the first string replace with 2nd string.
mircea_popescu: "if comment_approved" can't be a flag at post time.
asciilifeform: in STOCK wp, it is !
asciilifeform: for fucks sake
asciilifeform: hitting 'submit' to be presented with the original page and blank form and NO indication of what happened, is nonsense
asciilifeform: and this is not what happens on trilema
mircea_popescu: damn. how would the machinery know at the time someone hits submit whether you'l lapprove it later or not ?
asciilifeform: it knows that it is in the mod queue
asciilifeform: vs immediately-approved
mircea_popescu: ok, so you want it to do a "your comment is awaiting moderation" thing ?
asciilifeform: most of the themes appear to already have the hook
mircea_popescu: guess what : trilema does this
mircea_popescu: (try, see)
asciilifeform: test (Your comment is awaiting moderation)
asciilifeform: so, how ??
mircea_popescu: teh... normal way ?
mircea_popescu: iirc phf's install does it also.
asciilifeform: it does
asciilifeform: but he never published his theme
asciilifeform: so i have nfi how !
asciilifeform: default theme does no such thing
mircea_popescu: i thought he was using teh default.
asciilifeform: apparently not
mircea_popescu: weird shit.
mircea_popescu: grep for the string what you got there ?
asciilifeform: it is in wp-includes/comment-template.php
mircea_popescu: no, in comments.php
asciilifeform: not in the default theme !
mircea_popescu: well possibly because it doesn't support this.
asciilifeform: the only place in mp tarball that has it
mircea_popescu: obviously. if the text not there you ain't getting it.
asciilifeform: is the template.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mp tarball does not include a theme.
asciilifeform: my theme has it !
asciilifeform: yes i know
mircea_popescu: <? if ($comment->comment_approved == '0') : ?><em>(Your comment is awaiting moderation)</em> << in comments.php, where you want it posted.
asciilifeform: <?php if ($comment->comment_approved == '0') : ?><span class="unapproved"><?php _e('Your comment is awaiting moderation.', 'veryplaintxt') ?></span><?php endif; ?>
asciilifeform: there it is.
asciilifeform: and 0 effect.
mircea_popescu: wtf is "php _e" ?
asciilifeform: how the hell would i know
mircea_popescu: apparently your interpreter doesn't either.
mircea_popescu: nfi what _e function is, myself.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah. a thing introduced after 2008
mircea_popescu: stick to echo.
asciilifeform: my php has it
asciilifeform: or, e.g., 'Post a Comment' would likewise fail to appear.
asciilifeform: and numerous other strings similarly encrudded in the theme.
asciilifeform: so this isn't it.
shinohai: php _e <<< that is a wordpress turd that makes it display in multiple languages iirc
trinque: yeah but the span doesn't appear either
trinque: in teh html sauce
asciilifeform: <h3 id="respond"><?php _e('Post a Comment', 'veryplaintxt') ?></h3> becomes <h3 id="respond">Post a Comment</h3>
asciilifeform: so i dun see the problem ?
trinque: if _e were emitting empty string that'd be one thing
trinque: but the span around it doesn't show up in the source on the next page after POST
trinque: asciilifeform: maybe <pre><?php print_r($comment) ?></pre> in that template somewhere
trinque: or whatever it was, it's been a while
asciilifeform: trinque: and this will tell me what ?
trinque: print_r will dump the contents of that var into the template
asciilifeform: trinque: i have nfi where.
asciilifeform: or why i should be spending time emplacing 1,001 printf debuggeries
asciilifeform: when this thing apparently WORKS in mircea_popescu's unpublished original.
asciilifeform: i confess that i have not found this exercise to be either pleasant, or educational, or productive.
asciilifeform: it is about as much fun as reading cobol.
trinque: ahaha
trinque: there is always "not to be"
asciilifeform: phf apparently knows enough to replicate working setup without the missing pieces and without using the pig-ugly default theme.
asciilifeform: i - do not.
asciilifeform: i will become a php monkey shortly after i learn to run the deep fryers at mickeydee's.
asciilifeform: how the fuck do folks put up with a thing with no debugger ?
trinque: it's an overgrown templating language that came of needing to turn db queries into html and not much else
trinque: written by some guy that needed to make a website one time
trinque: even if you had your debugger it wouldn't be meaningfully attached to the browser
trinque: sure there's skewer and whatever other *awful* madness I've dipped my dick into now and again
asciilifeform: even half a debugger, that meaningfully steps through the process of shitting out the html, would be useful
trinque: runs afoul of your "no, whole earth must burn" though
asciilifeform: it must.
trinque: I agree 100%
trinque: and hell, you want a proper blog^H^H^H^H command line interface to a bunch of articles gimmeh teh gossipd
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497752 << yeah. you're also infinitely more expensive to support. i'm guessing maybe this is just not for you ?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 01:31 asciilifeform: i - do not.
mircea_popescu: no idea how that'd be possibru in computing, but somehow apparently.
asciilifeform: it is quite possible, this cobol is ~entirely foreign to me.
mircea_popescu: but yes, trinque has it : html crap is by definition undebuggable.
asciilifeform: back when i set up original www, i used a heathen shitpress with as much as could be removed.
asciilifeform: and the result ~worked.
asciilifeform: and left it at that.
asciilifeform: this was in 2007.
mircea_popescu: well so copy it over or w/e.
asciilifeform: i don't want to akismet any moar !
mircea_popescu: ah. well, maybe let it be give it another try once shinohai produced a version.
trinque: then bite the dowel and put the print_r in
asciilifeform: i'ma install it trb-style
asciilifeform: which is to say, once somebody shares a COMPLETE package
asciilifeform: without 'now re-invent this wheel i didn't feel like posting'
shinohai: TIL php may possibly be asciilifeform 's kryptonite
asciilifeform: shinohai: i always despised wwwtronics and made no secret of it.
trinque: god I think I have surrogate indigestion
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ironically, if your original is from 2007, mp-wp should work with your theme out of the box.
mircea_popescu: maybe try that.
asciilifeform: i specifically wanted a new site, independent of old and producing no down time when tweaked
asciilifeform: and i dun like me old theme either
asciilifeform: it sux quite mightily, as discussed in original thread
asciilifeform: (mutilated images)
asciilifeform: was trying for clean start here.
mircea_popescu: well then find a theme that doesn't suck.
asciilifeform: i did !
mircea_popescu: "fails to do what i want with queued comments" = sucks.
asciilifeform: and it run work with mp-wp
asciilifeform: though it was written for 2.x !
asciilifeform: *dun work
mircea_popescu: mno. you found a theme that sucks. find a theme that doesn't suck
asciilifeform: where?!
mircea_popescu: where "does exactly what i want" = not sucks
asciilifeform: i tried dozens
mircea_popescu: well that i dunno.
asciilifeform: they all suck.
asciilifeform: so answer seems to be 'write theme'
mircea_popescu: this complaint i heard befoar.
asciilifeform: which phf is qualified to do, and i am not.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, eventually serenity is gonna produce one i think.
asciilifeform: then i will use, and say 'thank you'
mircea_popescu: cool. not emergency anyway.
mircea_popescu: but odds are you'll say "this doesn't work".
asciilifeform: but i'm a bit sad that there is no place to put the submarine pics.
asciilifeform: they were spiffy.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, if any web / css / designer people wants to do something useful, an old amiga/dos style theme for the tmsr wp would be apparently mucho appreciated.
asciilifeform: muchly so.
asciilifeform: or even simply a plain text, minimal bytemass sort of thing.
asciilifeform: i dun so much care that it 'looks like commodore64' but it really ought to fit in the address space of one.
asciilifeform: simply matter of principle.
asciilifeform: 200kB css is loathesome.
Joshua-I: Interesting. I'll look at some c64 UIs to get a feel
asciilifeform: i had no doubt that this exists.
asciilifeform: but i'd rather just have a <64kB thing.
asciilifeform: that i could read + understand.
Joshua-I: Like css wise right
asciilifeform: whole mass minus payload.
asciilifeform: and ditto on server side.
Joshua-I: Wondering if that's even possible with wp
BingoBoingo: Joshua-I: You obviously haven't seen qntra theme
Joshua-I: Yeah I did a quick check and the answer is yes
Joshua-I: I have seen it just though jquery was built right in there, since I've never seen wp without it
Joshua-I: thought*
BingoBoingo: And no, qntra theme has not yet been tested with mp-wp. Runs own wp fork.
BingoBoingo: Which is still different from thedrinkingrecord.com wp fork.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 677.03, vol: 3280.11410402 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 659.208, vol: 5607.44156 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 677.82, vol: 18782.23503567 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 600.0, vol: 1.12022058 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 684.36845, vol: 36156.96860000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 679.98, vol: 1004.31958923 | Volume-weighted last average: 679.854440681
Joshua-I: Should I read the logs most recent to least recent or the other way around
BingoBoingo: Prolly best to read the last monthe first and then jump back to 2013
BingoBoingo: Just want the most recent month to put history into context
Joshua-I: Hm ok thanks
BingoBoingo: Or mebbe start in January 2016 and read to no and then do 2015, 2014, and 2013
BingoBoingo: Lots of ways to break it up.
BingoBoingo: But hanbot's 6 month quote was from 3 years ago so I assume best to to just read ONLY six months of logz and be like "I r Bitcoin nao"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497830 << make sure you're working off the correct version.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 02:08 Joshua-I: Wondering if that's even possible with wp
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497840 << logs stretch out to 2012. at this point prolly best approach is to put word of your interest in search, read the results and the references.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 03:17 Joshua-I: Should I read the logs most recent to least recent or the other way around
Joshua-I: I have some guddens for sure
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