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BingoBoingo: $bc,stats
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you can pm it.
mircea_popescu: alternatively i could revoice it. do you actually miss it ?
BingoBoingo: I'll pm it for the time being. If we don't replace stats and ticker though it will be a pain not being able to link them in the logs from qntra when a story calls for it.
BingoBoingo: I don't call ;;ticker --market all because I'm interested in what it reports at that moment in that moment. Mostly do it in case if that moment/day becomes interesting in the months that come.
BingoBoingo: But for the bc,stats pming that is fine
mircea_popescu: alrighty, what.
mircea_popescu: ;;google buttseks
gribble: Error: We broke The Google!
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency rmb
gribble: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2959.64, vol: 29315.59660000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2959.64
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 458.58, vol: 5192.97314437 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 452.5, vol: 6497.89365 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 460.01, vol: 26904.66921442 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 457.3, vol: 1.86 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 455.537844, vol: 29318.48630000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 459.05, vol: 1844.78973063 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 458.481, vol: 13.46272529 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 457.299273436
BingoBoingo: ^ see up after boatoshi sank, may be intersting detail come july
BingoBoingo: Apparently a DHS officer broke today, writing up the story
deedbot: [Qntra] DHS Officer Breaks, Performs Allegedly Unsanctioned Killings - http://qntra.net/2016/05/dhs-officer-breaks-performs-allegedly-unsanctioned-killings/
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nice :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform on the other hand the braindamage list padded considerably. closing in on 3k by now
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i lold
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-07#1464299 <<< sed -i 's/being/bring/g' ?
a111: Logged on 2016-05-07 05:12 deedbot: [Qntra] DHS Officer Breaks, Performs Allegedly Unsanctioned Killings - http://qntra.net/2016/05/dhs-officer-breaks-performs-allegedly-unsanctioned-killings/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: 23561/38479; 1281531/1298527
mod6: Ah, very cool, just noticed the /topic.
mod6: $up rain1
deedbot: rain1 voiced for 30 minutes.
mod6: hi, how goes it? are you in the wot yet? might be a good place to start.
rain1: 30 mins lol
rain1: this is insane
mod6: heh, 1800 seconds to get it right
rain1: thanks mod6
mod6: no prob.
shinohai: o/ mod6
mod6: o7 shinohai
mod6: how goes it?
shinohai: Not bad, sitting outside with lappy, gorgeous day here. U?
mod6: Yeah, it's real nice here too. I've actually gotta do a bit of yard work here in just a few mins.
mod6: Thought I'd stop in here first tho.
mod6: I've been working on `t' cleanup this week. 'tis going alright.
shinohai: I'm lazy and pay MExicans to do mine. >.<
mod6: haha, i wish i had some people around here who wanted to do that kinda labor forme.
shinohai: Yeah I saw somewhere in the logs where you said t was almost ready for ml posting
shinohai: And I've been using same guy for 3 years now, the price is just right and saves me the hassle.
mod6: so might hvae a new version of `t' for ya to look at sometime this weekend. i've been cleaning up the graph. trying to get the sagas colorized (which is complete), but I wanna get all the disconnected graphs printing in a certain wa.
mod6: *way
shinohai: sweet! :D
mod6: <+shinohai> And I've been using same guy for 3 years now, the price is just right and saves me the hassle. << this is what i need. i like to do the gardening but the stuff like mowing raking etc, i hardly can make time for.
mod6: we need to add more tickets to the list too if we can round out some of that stuff.
mod6: tsp reminded me that we need to add one for rawtxs
shinohai: I'm the same, I love taking care of my flowers and veggies but mowing, etc is not my forte.
shinohai: Funny, I was looking at raw tx code the other day, since the key code has worked so well.
mod6: last year i had 22 tomato plants. this year im rotating the spot and probably will only do 10. but im gonna do a ton of cucumbers.
mod6: and im having this lady show me how to jar/can them.
mod6: <+shinohai> Funny, I was looking at raw tx code the other day, since the key code has worked so well.<< ya!
mod6: that'sactually something I'd like to do today if I can get the time: drop in that code into my test environment.
shinohai: Would be nice to be able to broadcast own tx's
mod6: then rebase everything if i need, which it probably will
mod6: ;;halfreward
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Mon Jul 11 09:45:11 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 9 weeks, 1 day, 18 hours, 20 minutes, and 0 seconds.
mod6: holy smokes
mod6: was just looking for non b-a steps for rain to follow to get reg'd in deedbot
mod6: ran across this page looks like it needs at least a name change for #trilema: http://deedbot.org/faq.html
mod6: is there some deedbot.org steps that rain1 can follow to get reg'd?
shinohai: Some of the foundation pages need tweaking too, I think I noticed old #b-a refs in them
mod6: oh good, thanks for reviewing those. there's a bunch of work in there we really need.
mod6: don't hesitate to drop me a line if you find something thatneeds an update.
mod6: $up mircea_popescu
deedbot: mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: I can put list of trusted nodes, etc on my site if we need them. Not sure who said they were going to make a new wiki page. :/
mircea_popescu: why the fuck does deedbot not answer in pm tho
mod6: my bad, saw you joined, didn't see that you didn't get voiced.
mircea_popescu: this is fucking weird shit.
mircea_popescu: $v 5377F1A5DF1C57528DC101794400A2022593B5AA7C775789B94D2A6EF3307BBA
deedbot: You are now voiced in #trilema
mod6: pm worked for me yesterday when i got booted from 'sandstorm' or whatever. i have noticed from time to time though, it just takes a bit to respond.
mircea_popescu: ftr : **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 7 10:43:32 2016 May 07 10:43:33 <mircea_popescu> $up May 07 10:52:49 <mircea_popescu> $up May 07 11:38:57 <mircea_popescu> $up **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 7 12:26:05 2016
mod6: oh wow.
mod6: > a bit
a111: Logged on 2016-05-07 15:19 rain1: this is insane
rain1: why all this trouble just to speak
mircea_popescu: because we don't generally wish to hear what $rando has to say.
rain1: cool
mircea_popescu: same reason you don't just go into aula magna at your local uni and start pouring words.
mircea_popescu: check out the outsized ego on this one. fucker thought he was like important or some shit ?
a111: Logged on 2016-05-07 15:27 mod6: ran across this page looks like it needs at least a name change for #trilema: http://deedbot.org/faq.html
mod6: shinohai: how'd you like to be integral into helping us round out the newly built deedbot wiki?
mod6: (are you still looking for tmsr~ side project?)
shinohai: Sounds good to me.
mod6: my goal is to move the good things off of the ba wiki and start getting our own setup.
mod6: it's still in the ground breaking phase, with the wiki, but there's async work that could be done from time to time when you have it.
mircea_popescu: ah darn, it was my bad setup filtering out the wrong pms. sorry trinque false alamr, deedbot is fine indeed.
mod6: ah
shinohai: Just takes time to put together
mod6: yeah. maybe if we run into trinque this weekend we can all discuss what some next things are there.
mod6: heck, i'll even make tickets for it if we need to.
mod6: nothing that has to get all accomplished today, or next week. but it'd be great to have something workable there by say. 9 weeks from now.
mod6: then we can continue to round out that stuff as we go on.
shinohai: I need to make a damned coinbr account this weekend too if I'm gonna continue my Qntra experiment.
mod6: im sure j-dawg can get you setup
mod6 laughs
shinohai: Not hard to setup, I just need a btc addy I can use for signing only. I tend not to reuse addys and misplace them >.<
jurov: shinohai, just fill this simple 5-page form, get an affidavits from doctor and IRS and we're done
jurov: easy peasy
mod6: hahaha
shinohai: No pic of sharpie-in-pooper required?
trinque: mircea_popescu: ah cool
mod6: alright Gentlemen, i gotta run to do this yard trimmings here for a bit.
mod6: i'll be back in a bit
mod6: shinohai: ha, that guy made a mint for that.
trinque: yep I'm out too, gonna gorge on crawfish in the sun
mircea_popescu: aaand eulora just got its first "we are the people" revolutionary movement.
mircea_popescu: it got trampled underfoot the same day.
mircea_popescu: god i love my top hat.
mod6: trinque: have fun. let's try to regroup later :]
mod6 looks
mod6: ok :]
mod6: have fun, bbl.
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "boosters". if there were, people'd just buy the booster and then that would become the basic game mechanic.
mircea_popescu: economy is economy is economy.
mircea_popescu: o motherfucker. sorry bout that.
mircea_popescu: ever since mod6 's been talking in #eulora i've been mischanning like crazy lol.
asciilifeform: bbet moved?!
BingoBoingo: shinohai: fxd
BingoBoingo: <mod6> haha, i wish i had some people around here who wanted to do that kinda labor forme. << You don't want to pay my "pout of service area" fee for visiting the tundra.
mircea_popescu: when's your next ablum out mr j-dawg ?
j-dawg: yo
mircea_popescu: is it true you had 23 pounds of panties thrown at you by rabid fans at last concert ?
j-dawg: yo dawg weighed them? dere fo' smellin' yo!
deedbot: [Qntra] Abducted Liberty Reserve Founder Sentenced To 20 Years In Prison - http://qntra.net/2016/05/abducted-liberty-reserve-founder-sentenced-to-20-years-in-prison/
mircea_popescu: YuuYDg&bvm=bv.121421273,d.d24
mircea_popescu: ;;google astra linux
gribble: Error: We broke The Google!
mircea_popescu: $google astra linux
mircea_popescu: somewhat lulzy.
deedbot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astra_Linux << Astra Linux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astra_Linux << Astra Linux — Википедия | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE6cvtuB-_g << Astra Linux Review - Russian Government/Military Debian-based ...
BingoBoingo: Is that Sasha and Maliah Bahamas?
mircea_popescu: to click... or not to click. this is the BingoBoingolema. whether tis safer in silence to suffer the links and twinkles of outrageous rotundity, or to take a stand against a sea of blubber and, by refusing to click, forever disown them.
danielpbarron: this one is all text
mircea_popescu: motherfucker. what's with all this "blanking of names" bullshit. that's not how you do it. tits pic and home address.
mircea_popescu: i thought those were /gpgfp/ and /gpgkey/
mircea_popescu: apparently there's a /download/ too but not linked from anywhere.
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The full in-house orchestra. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/07/the-full-in-house-orchestra/
a111: Logged on 2016-05-07 19:50 mircea_popescu: apparently there's a /download/ too but not linked from anywhere.
asciilifeform: bottom right hand side!
asciilifeform: had it last june even iirc.
mod6: <+j-dawg> yo <<< hahahah yes!
mod6: ;;later tell trinque so how can shinohai help build out wiki.deedbot.org? is there some web-code he can write? or perhaps just preparing articles?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: ;;later tell trinque your thoughts on this are much appreciated. hit me up when you get a chance to think on it.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Pete buys a minivan. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/07/pete-buys-a-minivan/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oh i c. missed it.
mod6: so yeah, funks patch needs to be rebased.
shinohai: mod6: didja check the copy I sent? dunno if I did it right
mod6: im looking at btcbase.org/patches/funken_prikey_tools/file
mod6: anyway, that's not the end of the world or anything.
mod6: you would have to have had all the latest pressed out, then patch the code in by hand
mod6: i'll do that. it's fine.
mod6: that'll get me a good review of the code changes anyway.
shinohai: Yeah I had to patch in by hand after press to get it working :/
mod6: no worries.
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 53158319 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'n parks <n.parks@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CE950BA464382BDA2D85A5D454A725D96DCB1BCAA57E83B41D941B3FE86CA41C
phf: mod6: hey, i checked the state of patches, and http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=stable is identical to http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/patches/
mircea_popescu: o hey, new one.
phf: so i suspect that whatever differences in press are a result of press algo. also funken is in an experimental set, and that's all the patches that i saw floating around that are not in the official release and not have been explicitly deprecated
phf: experimental doesn't press cleanly half the time, because of rebasing issue. for example it has polarbeard's patches that link into graph, but are all over the place with their press dependency
mod6: phf: lemme see here...
mod6: alright. so, a: i was looking at whatever was listed at btcbase.org/patches/funken_prikey_tools/
mod6: and that seems like it makes sense from where this funken_prikey_tools.vpatch was branched.
mod6: b: your link with patchset=stable looks correct at a glance. your chart is a bit different than mine
mod6: this is because i pin leafs to the top of the graph
mod6: but yah, otherwise that "stable" looks ok. tahnks for taking the time to check.
phf: mod6: yeah, my antecedent's list is actually cut down, but i can't recall by what metric :o
mod6: ?
mod6: you know what is cool though? that you have it so you can change graphs depending on the input -- "experimental" etc
mod6: is there a base link to this page? should be something like trb.btcbase.org or something
mod6: or btcbase.org/trb
mod6: instead of the ? = stuff
phf: takes you to stable
mod6: oh ok that works :]
mod6: thanks!
mod6: how or why did you 'cut down' the antecedents?
mod6: im not sure I follow.
mod6: shinohai: that dpaste above was for you, should be good to go, need to recompile the orchastra with this included and test a bit...
mod6: and then if that works, I'll hand it off to you to see if you can go through the same motions
shinohai: oh ok lemme fire up a VM
mod6: no worries, just demonstrating with that paste that I was able to rebase the patch, drop it into my 'patches' dir (notice the WILD annotation), and press cleanly.
shinohai: ah neat!
mod6: if I use the raw patch from the deal press pukes on an unmatched hash. (a new feature! lol)
mod6: nice to know v does stuff that works
mircea_popescu: phf shouldn't they not actually link then ?
mircea_popescu: i mean... graph's utility is mostly that it mirrors the press, no ?
mod6: shinohai: since we're talkin about it... looks like 'funken_prikey_tools.vpatch' had key.h based off genesis, instead of mod6_der_high_low_s.vpatch : http://dpaste.com/0DWTN8S.txt
mod6: anyway, just as illustration
shinohai: werd
mod6: ok lemme see if i can build this thing
mod6: i think i'll take this chance to truncate this 22G log file too
mod6: haha
shinohai: 22G O.o
mod6: yeah my bitcoind logfile
mod6: (its been running for /a while/)
mod6 builds trb with key tools
mod6: ok compiled just fine
mod6: start up
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] John the mulch man. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/07/john-the-mulch-man/
mod6: 'tail: /mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin/debug.log: file truncated' :D
shinohai: lol mine built fine too on Gentoo, gonna test on Deb later
mod6: cool man
mod6: getting blocks...
mod6: alright, i'll try out some of this stuff.
shinohai: I haven't got to test send/receive yet ... still no place to buy coins for cash in this godforsaken country.
mod6: this friggin bogus account balance.
mod6: gotta fix that
shinohai: whats wrong with it?
mod6: u need some hacker tokens?
shinohai wishes we still had testnet in a way. :/
mod6: shinohai: oh its showing way more than i actually have in the wallet. it's re-adding the change to the overall balance.
mod6: gotta test with real numbers
shinohai: mine will show previous balances based on time it is synced on the blockchain
mod6: ok, truth be told, im not sure what its malfunction is.
mod6: it's a bug though. gotta dig into it. we have a ticket for it.
mod6: ticket id 1
mod6: thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/tickets.html
mod6: anyway shoot me an addy, and i'll throw you some digits
mod6: ok so this thing dumped out a privkey just fine.
mod6: i tried to reimport that same key - it gave me an error, which, it probably should, but it's a bit non-descript.
mod6: not the end of the world. the whole thing needs a rewrite anyway.
mod6: private key dumped is valid
mod6: cool
mod6: :]
shinohai: back, yeah sometimes it acts a little weird when you import keys, like mine will hang a really long time.
shinohai: but it exports fine, which is really important too lol
mod6: oh. hm. we better test the shit out of importing priv keys
phf: mircea_popescu: that's what i was working on before the log issue became critical, and i might need to just write it up since i'm having hard time communicating the graph/press discrepancy
shinohai: I have done it at least 20-30 times with no major issues so far, mostly with vanitygen addys
mod6: does it work everytime as long as the privkey is valid?
mod6: what about invalid keys?
phf: there were suggestion "just do X" and i would try them and discover that they wouldn't actually solve the problem
shinohai: At least it didn't destroy my whole wallet like last time I used pybitcointools
mod6: does it error out properly?
mod6: heh, that's a good thing (tm)
shinohai: hmmm ... good question on the invalid key thing. That should be tested sure
phf: note that the graph edge can actually have multiple different meanings. on mod6 graph, an edge means "patches share a common hash". on my graph edge means "patch can be applied on top of other patch without conflict"
mod6: i just tested trying to dump a key from an address not in the wallet and it says:
mod6: "Private key for address 1ABitcoinAddyBlahBlah is not known"
mod6: so that works
mod6: some day im gonna have to write a boatload more cucumber tests for this shit
mod6: today is not that day
mod6: :D
mod6: Ok i just tried to import an invalid private key
mod6: it says: 'error: {"code":-5,"message":"Invalid private key"}
mod6: so that works.
shinohai: sweet. I kept getting that error when I first patched it because I forgot to decrypt my wallet like an idiot.
mod6: i just tried dumping a priv key from an invalid bitcoin address, error says: 'error {"code":-5,"message":"Invalid bitcoin address"}'
mod6: so thats good
ben_vulpes: phf: iirc that notion descends from stan's original V.
phf: ben_vulpes: which notion?
ben_vulpes: that edges mean patches share a common hash
mod6: shinohai: ok thats an interesting test case
ben_vulpes: although hang on let me think
phf: no, that's correct
mod6: thats not a bad test we wanna try to break this fucker
phf: in ascii's v graph edge means "share a common hash"
shinohai: That's what I'm here for to break it or fuck it up :D
phf: but that doesn't guarantee a clean press as a graph transition. it only guarantees clean press when you topo sort the graph
ben_vulpes: > press as a graph transition << would you elaborate?
ben_vulpes: phf ^^
phf: say you have two files, a b. patch X takes a from null to hash 0 and b from null to hash 0
phf: sorry scratch that
phf: patch X takes a from null to 1, b from null to 2
phf: patch Y takes b from 2 to 3
phf: patch Z takes a from 1 to 8, b from 3 to 4
phf: the graph for that is X->Y->Z, X->Z
phf: because X and Z share a's hash, X and Y share b's hash, Y and Z share b's hash
phf: but you can't actually press from X->Z, even though they are "antecedents", because Z requires Y to be pressed first
phf: X and Z share a's hash, but they have conflicting b hashes
ben_vulpes: ah, transition.
phf: so you can do a single pass (and that's what my graph does) to eliminate all the edges that have conflicts
phf: but you then run into the issue is that the conflict might be introduced up the graph chain
phf: and that's where my thinking gets fuzzy, because i didn't really finish this whole exercise
asciilifeform: the lily needs no guilding.
asciilifeform: 'same hash' is the correct v.
asciilifeform: *gilding
asciilifeform: 'no conflict' is fuzzy and introduces potential of subtle breakage
asciilifeform: because gnudiff has no notion of semantics of the language, only dumb linear text
asciilifeform: the 'hash must match' is the only path to 'i meant what i said and i said what i meant, a walrus is certain one hundred percent'
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-07#1464467 << BEHOLD! key circa 2011, UPDATED 2012!111111111111 bock can eat shit
a111: Logged on 2016-05-07 22:34 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 53158319 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'n parks <n.parks@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CE950BA464382BDA2D85A5D454A725D96DCB1BCAA57E83B41D941B3FE86CA41C
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) << if the submitter is to be believed !
asciilifeform is back from mega-expo at, among other places, ar embassy. very lulzy.
asciilifeform: what was lulzier was that apparently 'top seeekrit' apparatchiks are not permitted to attend such shows, at least without special dispensation from company chekist
asciilifeform: because - potentially - 'what if goes in but never comes out' - or the like.
ben_vulpes: never comes out of /ar/ embassy?
asciilifeform: ask hitler, not me.
ben_vulpes: what they have secret combudder/aerospace engineering programs?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: concern is that embassy of 'neutral' country is a great place to betray the motherland to kgb. or the like.
phf: asciilifeform: no conflict doesn't have much to do with gnudiff. "conflict" in this case means that the patches contain at least TWO files one has shared hash, and the other one hash different hashes
asciilifeform: this is not without historic basis, but still lulzy.
phf: *has different
asciilifeform: phf: if anything conflicts -> no go.
asciilifeform: the fact that gnudiff will happily patch mismeshing file trees in certain circumstances is, from our pov, BRAINDAMAGE
asciilifeform: rather than a helpful feature.
phf: asciilifeform: that's not how v's ~graph~ operates
phf: i'm not talking about gnudiff and presses
asciilifeform: if it isn't, then it isn't complete.
phf: v's graph says "these two patches share a common hash", but that doesn't mean that one can be pressed on top of another in isolation
phf: i need to just write this stuff up, but at this point i'm leaning towards the idea that you can't really make a better graph than "shares a hash", and all that communicates is that "this guy uses content from this other guy"
phf: but if you want to talk about presses you have to look at the whole subgraph, hmm
ben_vulpes: it's only ever made sense to me in the context of pressing a specific patch.
ben_vulpes: as in, given this patchset, and this particular patch, apply all of the antecedents in the correct order.
ben_vulpes: (and then the given patch)
ben_vulpes: again, if i recall correctly, asciilifeform's v will press all of the same-leaf-level patches as the given patch, /up to the given patch (inclusive)/ in alphabetical order
asciilifeform: l0l! largest wasp i've ever seen. barely fit through the vac hose!
asciilifeform: about as thick, and long, as my thumb.
mod6: fuck i hate those things.
mod6: that one sounded HUGE though
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform :p
mircea_popescu: phf i c.
mircea_popescu: phf i don't think polysemy is actually desirable in this context. edge should really mean one thing reliably.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-08 03:06 mircea_popescu: phf i don't think polysemy is actually desirable in this context. edge should really mean one thing reliably.
asciilifeform: and to the extent v can be coaxed into behaving outside of this envelope, it is incomplete
asciilifeform: like pre-otis lifts.
asciilifeform: in other nonnyooz, http://www.crypto.com/papers/keylength.nsa.txt << lulzy vintage disinfo and its dissection
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski re: http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/07/pete-buys-a-minivan/ Exactly how fat are Lexus's typical customers that such a gulf is required between passenger car's curb weight and carrying capacity
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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