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mircea_popescu: i guess i'm like the only english speaker that never indulged in the chem weird ?
adlai: you don't know the half of it, just the other day my ptsdogenic fund paid for my university catharsis
adlai: !up scalpl
gribble: Error: "up" is not a valid command.
adlai: $up scalpl
deedbot: adlai may not $up scalpl
adlai: looks like it's a level-two loop-whole!
adlai: scalpl, having enjoyed mircea_popescu's options emporium during the dying throes of its public trade, will henceforth enjoy the dying throes of vitalik_buterin's nonsense polonium. more news once it actually loses money.
punkman: poloniex?
adlai: yep.
adlai: it's already well along the well trod path - the SCIA has already reported withdrawal difficulties
adlai: although they assured me that my coupla bitcents were safe there, seeing as they're all "investing" double-digit btc in swaps
adlai: these idiots who never heard of functional APIs prefix every side-effect-free call with "return". nuts! https://poloniex.com/support/api/
adlai: sadly my cost basis is already pessimal due to abysmal timing of buying an ethercent to play with before vitalik pooped
mircea_popescu: $up scalpl
deedbot: scalpl voiced for 30 minutes.
scalpl: thank you mircea! i'm alive.
mircea_popescu: lol. enjoe.
scalpl: i'll enjoy this more if people actually start shorting, or longing, or whatevering, this nonexistent fifth element
scalpl: mircea_popescu: how much noise may i make in the channel while voiced?
adlai: "gotta dilute something"!
asciilifeform: "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98)" ('Tokyo, JP') << holyfuq
asciilifeform: from phuctor visitor logz
mircea_popescu: yea but... so ?
asciilifeform: so long time no see ie4.
asciilifeform: on win98.
asciilifeform: (or joker pretending to be same)
mircea_popescu: not possibru, "mozilla" didn't exist then
asciilifeform: iirc it supported w98
asciilifeform: at some point.
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, libpq refuses to link statically.
mircea_popescu: more nss joys ?
asciilifeform: for no currently detectable reason, even
asciilifeform: just doesn't seem to exist in static variant
mircea_popescu: ;;google libpq
gribble: PostgreSQL: Documentation: 9.1: libpq - C Library: <http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/libpq.html>; PostgreSQL: Documentation: 9.3: libpq - C Library: <http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.3/static/libpq.html>; GitHub - brianc/node-libpq: Simple, low level native bindings to ...: <https://github.com/brianc/node-libpq>
mircea_popescu: jesus fuck, this fucking cult already.
mircea_popescu: they do EVERYTHING the same way.
mircea_popescu: how is this even possible irl ?!
asciilifeform: 'konsensoos'
mircea_popescu: dude how the fuck.
mircea_popescu: ok, i understand the part where in order to participate in the bizarro cult of whatever the fuck you gotta abandon any possibility of independent thought, even in principle, and preferablty before puberty. fine.
mircea_popescu: HOW THE FUCK do they get them all aligned ?!
asciilifeform: with money ?
mircea_popescu: billions of seemingly normal humans, entirely hollow husks filled with piss, all shambling in the EXACT same direction of the same mecca.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is in that kaaba stone already!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform money doesn't work like this.
asciilifeform: not mircea_popescu-style money
asciilifeform: rent-and-rice money
mircea_popescu: look : i fucked money, she begged me to stay so she'll cook me breakfast.
mircea_popescu: i know what money does and this ain't it.
asciilifeform: because not same animal!
mircea_popescu: there's only one money.
asciilifeform: turns out not
mircea_popescu: it turns out alright, but yes.
asciilifeform: just like lion is not the same animal to kid staring in the zoo vs kid in africa being chewed
mircea_popescu: but it IS same animal.
asciilifeform: in principle.
mircea_popescu: not a matter of "to". i fucked her. this means i rearranged its essential oils with my penis.
mircea_popescu: like, to guy who fucked lion, lion is same animal. kids at zoo or zamibia irrespective.
asciilifeform: to hunter - same, aha
asciilifeform: to the eaten - not.
mircea_popescu: this is not possibru
asciilifeform: it is the answer to mircea_popescu's riddle of 'why they all walk in same direction' tho.
mircea_popescu: incomprehensibru
mircea_popescu: i shall now retire to meditate upon this most unexpected development.
asciilifeform brb, committing unspeakable atrocities for money
shinohai: https://github.com/timbowhite/botbouncer <<< a javascript extortion bot LOL
jurov: that's actually not so bad idea
jurov: like, my IP got banned by incapsula (some cloudflare ilk) for no discernible reason and all sites that use it just blackhole me. even "pay here" screen would be better than this.
shinohai: Hopefully something a bit more robust however.
jurov: no ennumeration of badness can ever be robust
mircea_popescu: so you mean you want web to work like email does.
mircea_popescu: i'll spend a thousand to ddos incapsula off the internet before i spend a dollar for such bullshit.
jurov: what? email behaves the same way. once you're on blacklist, servers mostly won't bother to inform you
jurov: but email blacklists you can check yourself. no such recourse with incapsula
a111: Logged on 2016-04-29 14:05 mircea_popescu: i'll spend a thousand to ddos incapsula off the internet before i spend a dollar for such bullshit.
asciilifeform: where is the funeral ?
asciilifeform: and recall, they are in the process of the exact same 'embrace & extinguish' for bitcoin, e.g., http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-21#1454505
a111: Logged on 2016-04-21 12:43 asciilifeform: 'Based on the information I have available to me, it appears that the MIT ChainAnchor Project is in part an attempt to get Bitcoin users to register their real world identities and associate their transactions with those identities. Initially this would be on an opt-in basis, however it appears that ChainAnchor has a longer-term plan to bribe and coerce miners into only mining transactions from registered users, eventually prohibitin
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i said "i'll do x before y", has exactly nothing to do with what you're talking about mr. cheapshot
mircea_popescu: jurov wtf ? a) i've been getting offers to "Whitelist" my mail server for the low low price of whatever for a decade now. b) you just said you checked yourself, what do you mean.
asciilifeform: offers from whom? 419 sp4mz0rz ? afaik no organization credibly offers such a thing
mircea_popescu: buncha fucktarded scammers running the concern troll angle, "oh, subscribe to our service to protect yourself from spam"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform plenty do, including yahoo.
mircea_popescu: ;;google whitelist email server
gribble: The Spamhaus Whitelist: <https://www.spamhaus.org/whitelist/>; Whitelisting website email so it is not rejected as spam - Stack ...: <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2629614/whitelisting-website-email-so-it-is-not-rejected-as-spam>; Whitelisting Email Servers and IPs | GoDaddy Email Marketing ...: <https://www.godaddy.com/help/whitelisting-email-servers-and-ips-15910>
mircea_popescu: spamhaus also, apparently. for anyone actually believing the "we are here to halp" angle.
mircea_popescu: which reminds me - wikipedia back to "not advertising", right ?
asciilifeform astonished and even more disgusted than previously
jurov: yes a) is irrelevant b) pls reread. you can check why your *email* server onj your IP was blacklisted. you can't easily check what incapsula thinks about the same IP
mircea_popescu: how did you find out ?
asciilifeform: 'Google does not permit whitelisting!
mircea_popescu: seems to me b works exactly the same way for both services ; and a is irrelevant because you opted to go into blockhead mode as far as that goes.
asciilifeform: '"unlike many other providers that automatically let through all mail from certain senders, making it possible for their messages to bypass spam filters, Gmail puts all senders through the same rigorous checks"'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at some point i actually had proof yahoo sold the content of inbox to spammers.
jurov: easy. for example https://wiki.kde.org/ hags here, but not throuh proxy. and it resolves to incapsula
jurov: *hangs
adlai: isn't this basically the google business model?
mircea_popescu: more or less yes.
asciilifeform: was the only google business model !
adlai: this = selling insider info to spammers
asciilifeform: if yer 'insider info' is plaintext in a mailbox...
adlai: er sorry, i said the dirty word... back to the lulzmines for me
mircea_popescu: anyway. the emai lthing is run 100% like a scam, with some periodicity some derpass "provider" or other randomly blacklists me, starts sending offers, waits 5-6 months or so for complaints to pile in, then un-blacklists me.
mircea_popescu: bout every 18-20 months since at least 2005.
mircea_popescu: "business", as america understands the term.
asciilifeform: complaints?!
mircea_popescu: well someone somewhere isn't getting his mail.
asciilifeform: normally this someone doesn't ~know~
mircea_popescu: back when i was younger i'd actually crusade to get various "customers" to terminate the arrangement. worked about as well as anything involving teh consumertard works.
asciilifeform: (and if you only talk to known folks who have strong relations with you, it is unclear to me why to use email)
adlai: wait, isn't the goal of email to "inbox less"? i thought not getting mail was the whole point?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sooner or later they figure out, some at least.
adlai: clearly the hashcash targets are too low, somebody get bitcoin-godpapa on the phone!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: back when i was doing the robot thing, i (far too late) learned that we lost at least one strong lead solely on account of 'spam' filters.
mircea_popescu: true olympian sez : "strong".
punkman: maybe that is why all the ustards are always on "a call" or scheduling one?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'strong' in the very bare bones sense in that it was a convo with someone who actually ~had~ the machine
asciilifeform: (rarity)
shinohai: Dafuq
mircea_popescu: "modern" eh ?
mircea_popescu: ;;ud modern
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Modern | Modern, in this respect, suggests a person, commonly a female, and more commonly of Sino-Asian lineage, who accepts, or at least doesn't readily condemn, ...
mircea_popescu: i must have missed the memo redefining "modern" as shitpiss.
mircea_popescu: fucking amodernicans.
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Pete’s guide to investing in cars. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/29/petes-guide-to-investing-in-cars/
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu guess how long grinding 1678436 moduli took
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-29#1459124 << apparently no-one recalls the x.com thing ? back in the early days of the internet, an unknown derp made an "internet bank" which was promptly owned and lost some money.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-29 01:00 mircea_popescu: so this schmuck is an "entrepreneur", whatever, typical socialist state constructed leech, like they have in ro ru us etc. a peter thiel (speaking of which, anyone actually recall the x.com thing ? which is how he became famous in the first place ?)
mircea_popescu: the ensuing publicity made it worth ~100x what it was worth before, and made peter thiel a vague internet celebrity.
mircea_popescu: which is how the whole thing started.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let me guess, 90 minutes.
mircea_popescu: o boy teh suspense is killing me.
asciilifeform: doing another run with all 16 cpu
asciilifeform: 1679650 mods.
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/y7T
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/28/for-some-embarrassment-is-rare-for-some-its-sous-vide/ << i lollered the healthly lol of schadenfreunde, for while i loathe the inept orcs i live among, it consoles me to read orcish adventures in the northern lands. you got some grammar issues in teh letter tho.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu 815.614s (1679650 mods ---> 205 phuctored) but not posted to db yet, this was test.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha wtf why so fast!
asciilifeform: because bernsteinatronic.
mircea_popescu: you gotta write the man a letter.
asciilifeform: didntcha invite him here once
asciilifeform brb m33333t1ng
mircea_popescu: i dun recall. if i said i did, but anyway. deeds of this nature deserve to be properly congratulated.
mircea_popescu: in other news nobody cares about, dude walks into a store on bucharest's poshiest street yesterday, pulls out a 10 inch blade and stabs a sales girl, heart and all. love story.
shinohai: ^ nice
mircea_popescu: such lulzy derpage. "Kim Jong Un is surrounded by weeping members of the Korean Children's Union. Some schoolgirls (not pictured) are picked from classrooms to join the so-called 'Pleasure Squad' that serves the country's elite"
mircea_popescu: "here's a random publicity of the photo showing obama being fucked in the ass by donald trump (not pictured)"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: factors appear to be correct superset of old. i'ma hook the thing up to live db tonight.
mircea_popescu: cool. i'm working on a little horror of my own, will rfc teh esteemed lordship later on.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we can blast the thing nightly (or, perhaps even hourly..)
mircea_popescu: hourly seems fine if it's 15mn sorta thing.
mircea_popescu: epic shit, this.
asciilifeform: eh, bit of a downer to me
asciilifeform: i was expecting to find moar.
asciilifeform: (this, realize, is a total pairwise gcd, every-at-every)
asciilifeform: gotta make the 'eightball'
asciilifeform: (what i'm calling a synthetic 'rsa key' where modulus is product of 1st N primez)
asciilifeform: oughta knock out some moar.
asciilifeform: (does anyone not grasp why it needs 'eightball'..?)
adlai still awaits the fabled 8ball that'll keep him up all night doing euclid's algo by longhand
adlai: it's always just at the edge of my social circle, and frankly i should probably leave it there
asciilifeform: $up Apocalyptic
deedbot: Apocalyptic voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: $gettrust deedbot Apocalyptic
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 5 by 5 connections.
trinque: Apocalyptic: tried $up lately?
Apocalyptic: thank you, apparently deedbot wasn't correctly fixed as i'm still unable to up myself
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic ought to be able to up
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform: yes just before I asked you
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/introducing-permanence/ << rfc diana_coman hanbot trinque BingoBoingo mod6 danielpbarron mike_c asciilifeform davout ben_vulpes phf
Apocalyptic: got "21:05 <deedbot> You must be registered."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how does para#2 work ??
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform: the modulus of what you're referring to as 'eightball' is actually called a primorial in math literature
asciilifeform: para#1 reads a bit like earlier project 'eternity'
mircea_popescu: phase 1 ? we just feed it a list of ips and root credentials.
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: i know what it is called
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform link for that thing ?
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: but in our context the primorial has to take the shape of rsa key so the proggy can display it
Apocalyptic: naturally
trinque: $key Apocalyptic
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what thing
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> para#1 reads a bit like earlier project 'eternity'
adlai: mircea_popescu: whatever happened to the gsm modems sucking power off dushenski-reject autos?
adlai got the ol' meshnet boner from that one
mircea_popescu: adlai nothing much.
asciilifeform: adlai: i still have the bag full of esp8266
adlai: meshnets, because ip versions can also go to eleven
mircea_popescu: adlai the only odd thing here is why do you ask me "what happened to x" ? this isn't what #trilema is for. #trilema is for you telling me "here's what i did with X".
adlai: mircea_popescu: i thought this was the one that didn't know how to shut up?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sounds rather indistinguishable from 9999 other general similar derpage from the pre-dot-com boom era. could just as well be the early scribblings of jimbo "i do children" wales.
mircea_popescu: im bailing halfway through section 1.
adlai: Unfortunately, there is, in our time of confusion and obscurity, another kind of a Jewish child: the child who is conspicuous by his absence from the Seder Service; the one who has no interest whatsoever in Torah and G???d's commandments... who is not even aware of the Seder, of the Exodus from Egypt and the subsequent revelation at Sinai. ... sounds like ferrante!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was not very good, no
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally i will confess that your proposal, at least in so far as para#1, was actually the original point of my 'bitcoin in '06' thing
asciilifeform: (which went nowhere)
asciilifeform: but that was precisely what i wanted, yes
mircea_popescu: the better part of P is where it starts doing its own mining bots.
mircea_popescu: the rest is just fluff leading up to it.
asciilifeform: there was another project, which did go somewhere a bit, called 'owner free file system'
asciilifeform: also pertinent
adlai: in my utopifanfic, the first commandment is Thou Shalt Not Mine
mircea_popescu: ahahaha this "did go somewhere a bit" thing :D sweet.
adlai: kinda like weeding your garden and drinking your vitamins
mircea_popescu: adlai and why not ?
adlai: because it accelerates graygoo!
mircea_popescu: wotgoo is the point.
adlai: graydy-algo-goo.
adlai: wot doesn't need mining, wot is the solution to the mining bug
trinque: $key Apocalyptic
adlai: but mining is the solution to the whence-of-trust bug
mircea_popescu: this makes no sense. wut ?
trinque: ok Apocalyptic, try again. I missed a case sensitive -> insensitive.
adlai: it's another blog post from the future, i'll shut up now. let trinqui take over.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://offsystem.sourceforge.net << their ancient www
diana_coman: hm, I'm not sure I fully get it, gotta read it again with a clearer head, but so far: do I read that right that you are proposing in the end to trust the machine ?
mircea_popescu: i am actually proposing to remove ability of action from people incapable of controlling such a machine.
mircea_popescu: but in principle there's no reason each lord can't run his onw P, and even war with another's.
mircea_popescu: the whole point however is for any non-lord to be as incapable of action as lobsters at the market.
mircea_popescu: rubber bads on the clippers and all.
asciilifeform: we sorta have this re bitcoin.
diana_coman: ah, that sounds better
mircea_popescu: no further governments, elections, civil or human rights or any of the jazz. got P ? shall be the whole of the law.
adlai: mircea_popescu: a comment - you mention homomorphic encryption with out qualifying part- or fully. the former exists! the latter...
asciilifeform: as i understand, this is the ancient dream of 'run program nowhere at all but everywhere'
mircea_popescu: adlai the thing needed here does not exist.
shinohai: $rated trinque
adlai: the idea being, running pnodes as seemingly innocent processes on, say, aws/gce/etc?
deedbot: shinohai rated trinque 1 at 3650630430 << Thanks for the help w/ Gentoo
mircea_popescu: the thing needed here is, "here's meaningless token X which really means 2 ; and here's meaningless token Y, which really means +, and here's meaningless token Z, which really means 2." and you respond with meaningless token K, which really is 4, and never know 2 or + or 4.
asciilifeform: this is trivial until you also want the enemy to not be able to infer which token means, e.g., '+' in reasonable effort
adlai: interesting, extending the homomorphism to the operations themselves
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i did say "and never know..."
asciilifeform: then it is called 'indistinguishable obfuscation'
deedbot: [Trilema] Introducing [P]ermanence - http://trilema.com/2016/introducing-permanence/
asciilifeform: the lulzy bit is that it is currently my day job, to test schemes for this.
mircea_popescu: not so lulzy as much as coincidental
mircea_popescu: for god teh lord doth not throw dice.
asciilifeform: now, none of said schemes work, but they are all built with braindamaged assumption
asciilifeform: namely, that proggy runs on ~singular box~
asciilifeform: rather than n-of-m net.
Apocalyptic: trinque: works now
trinque: good deal
mircea_popescu: the only important thing there really, is to offer 100% guarantee that sepukku rather than dishonor.
mircea_popescu: defined like that, the problem is (i think) significantly more tractable.
mircea_popescu: the tru braindamaged assumption is to assume everlasting life, like we're in heaven or some bs
asciilifeform: elaborate plox
mircea_popescu: the only, or at least the first guarantee P must make is that it will destroy itself before being subverted.
mircea_popescu: as long as no P can ever be captured, P makes an unbeatable army.
asciilifeform: gotta define 'subvert'
mircea_popescu: EVEN IF it's "not very useful".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform enemy extracting as much as 1 bit of non-entropy.
mircea_popescu: (this is currently the situation, ftr. all the Ps are dead)
asciilifeform: enemy can simply record the bits passively from a captured node, unless the thing is a ~physical~ fort
mircea_popescu: this recording a) should be detectable and b) should not be useful.
asciilifeform: and if he does this for n of m, whatever the magic n, you've been undetectably owned
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this then reduces to 'tamper-proof box'
adlai: the human taboo against theft does bitcoin a poor canary make.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform perhaps. i am unsure.
asciilifeform: other observation is that extant hardware is very poorly suited to self-destruct (as in permanently losing bits on demand)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider a simple scheme : n of m, where every $timeinterval k of m are discarded.
mircea_popescu: now enemy must gather more than k per $timeinterval units to eventually reach n.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in general, i would prefer a version where "destruct" === "abandoned by P".
mircea_popescu: (the simple scheme above lulzily reduces to... mining!)
asciilifeform: with sufficient % of sybil, enemy can reconstruct history
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "abandoned by P" might mean "fed spurious data".
mircea_popescu: we're under no obligation to tell the truth ; merely to keep impervious track of all the lies.
asciilifeform: and this is sorta what happens in a bitcoinatron
asciilifeform: (chain forklets)
mircea_popescu: kinda ya
mircea_popescu: not so good tho - it's a tree.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's scheme orthogonalizes into several separate axis
asciilifeform: one is that it is a generalization of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: maybe. does it have to ?
asciilifeform: in fact, same one i originally tried for, and was quite disappointed in bitcoin not being
asciilifeform: but the other is the 'obfuscated' thing
mircea_popescu: anyway. P-G-V-iB and we're getting somewhere.
asciilifeform: the funny part is that there is already a comical nazi version of this
asciilifeform: (urbit!)
mircea_popescu: aha. tmsr might give the clown a 2nd lease on lyf.
asciilifeform: sorta why i followed the project for as long as i did
asciilifeform: it was fundamentally the right idea but implemented with inconceivable degree of braindamage - and - at least in the last few yrs - by the Professionally Sad
mircea_popescu: for my own curiosity, does c. yarvin figure on the list of good citizens & old bolsheviks that were yehzov'd by stalinmp or notrly ?
asciilifeform: more of a sun yatsen
asciilifeform: chiang kai-shek.
mircea_popescu: i always kinda liked that guy.
asciilifeform: prolly the most recent leader to boil derps
asciilifeform: in actual pots
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 i cannot make t display a single ticket, only the whole lot. Plz advise.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell trinque can haz phuctor rss hookup in deedbot plox ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: hey shinohai: should be something like this `./t.pl ticket.txt pid 18`
mod6: something might be broken in there though, im currently trying to wrap up some clean up stuff right now.
shinohai: OH ok i didn't use `pid`
mod6: so if it doens't work right, no big worries.
mod6: ah, ok.
shinohai: nah still shows them all even if i add `pid`
mod6: hrm. ok will look into it.
mod6: seems to be fixed on my side.
mod6: just hang tight, will have something for you to test here shrtly.
shinohai: mkay thanx :D
mod6: yw, thanks for testing :]
shinohai: it is easily married to an irc bot, i like it
mod6: yeah, it could be for sure. its early in its life for sure. try this one on for size: http://dpaste.com/2XNKFW4.txt
mod6: oh, hrm, a few more changes, I think I fixed the graphs.
mod6: yah actually, this is pretty cool
shinohai: \o/ that works
shinohai: w/ html O.o
mod6: just a few, will post the graphs + new code. i had something screwed up in the graphing code.
mod6: alright.
mod6: so here is the latest code with the graph fixes: http://dpaste.com/1681XKR.txt
mod6: you can use the same ticket file
mod6: and ....
mircea_popescu: haha check out that stuff!
mod6: you may need to zoom out a bit to get the full picture on the last one.
shinohai: I was playing with that on my server already LOL ... this is killer
mircea_popescu: mod6 could graph be vertical rather than horizontal alligned ?
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, countdown to phuctoringz!
mod6: Yeah, i need to play with it a bit more for sure.
mod6: Hopefully will get some extra time tonight. Still gotta write up the SoBA for april. Eep!
mircea_popescu: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/ascii_ticket_graph.txt << dude this is epic... more and more of my native tools getting swallowed up by tmsr!
shinohai: the plaintext output and phtml rock
mircea_popescu: soon i won't be able to tell the difference! that shit looks exactly like home.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think ima trilema it.
mod6: :] glad you dig it
shinohai drinks to mod6 ... just sparkly but at least i got a napkin.
mircea_popescu: yeh doing god's work here mod6
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wait till it blowz!
asciilifeform: no more than 20 min prolly.
mod6: "she's gone from suck to blow"
asciilifeform: 3... 2... 1...
asciilifeform: firing.
asciilifeform: splattering out...
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Andreas Heimann <Andreas.Heimann@piratenpartei-hessen.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/67B53A956C56248022299BE1489190E8B96BB1C707161816375F64BE3AA9AAE1
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Konstantin Pisarenko <kpisarenko@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C1058B43984FD910A23CE94CC7D3179EE5AA3B0B3F1A3598D73C71C72EEEDE21
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 9 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Richard Monk <rmonk@redhat.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/75254628CF9D61D0137B535BDE2860B51836575E4A454589D01BD586E163B445
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 9 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Debarshi Ray <rishi.is@lostca.se>; Debarshi Ray (GNU Developer) <rishi@gnu.org>; Debarshi Ray (GMail Account) <debarshi.ray@gmail.com>; Debarshi Ray (Red Hat Employee) <debarshir@redhat.com>; Debarshi Ray (Fedora Packager) <rishi@fedoraproject.org>; Debarshi Ray (GNOME Developer) <debarshir@src.gnome.org>; Debarshi Ray (GNOME Foundation Member) <debarshir@gnome.org>; Debarshi Ray (Freedeskto
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 9 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'randomnoize (Tor relay operator) <randomnoize@riseup.net>; randomnoize (Tor relay operator) <randomnoize2009@googlemail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9319605DD9BFB5972272003BC0D6D2E999783C7256A75BF1BE08178A359F9542
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 7374458848949 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Saeid <zarghani.s@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8FD900729BD063FFD5B8CB3D6C7828574ADFE7DF6046F67D7982DF35DFF18EAA
mircea_popescu: 250+ of these yes ?
mircea_popescu: nice job asciilifeform !
asciilifeform: still jizzing, give it a few min
shinohai: In which phuctor unintentionally dos' deedbot
mircea_popescu: it's not down is it ?
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 21474836485 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Ralf Oltmanns <ralf@it-roxx.de>; Ralf Oltmanns <ralf@oltmanns.name>; Ralf Oltmanns <osm@abo.ist-total.net>; Ralf Oltmanns (Piratenpartei Deutschland Landesverband Bayern) <pirat@oltmanns.name>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/796A75EB3CC04A7E195A0B6F1A9A1B4716C67A59F1CC9ACB8A9B796A1B4AF1D0
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 21474836485 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'ms@shingondo.org <ms@shingondo.org>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A05889A8F8BA47B362BCD6CA1E020FA879C7BA9E11F8D473C1E7C34B43C3AD2D
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 21474836485 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Charly Avital <shavital@mac.com>; Charly Avital (GnuPG) <shavital@mac.com>; Charly Avital <shavital@netvision.net.il>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BC32D34833DC18D609ED6D8877435EE51A4C49DB57A71C30745379E23315C237
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 382252089433 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Thomas Hofmann <toho89@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9AD29DC660DB7496B01D608486E6062A27E35F35C32CFD3E2F35FC1409374187
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 234397840233775 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'SlowFax <slowfax@googlemail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/84FDD00AD2E5C818F1D9A7604EA5447CDA456A25B275975C62A2F1AEB4ED42C3
mircea_popescu: o boy. them factors.
phf: is that fresh factors or backlog?
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 450971566185 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Torsten Ennenbach <torsten.ennenbach@set-sign.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A5CF9F50DDA50E86A049276CCC0AE37415FB5B761B5E586D2C0C6D079AFB9BCD
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 8 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'foobarbaz; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F7594E6FFC5A7760F47026806103B21B7F26787C2523DC377DCCBB1AA93213EC
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 459561500779 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Marco Hien <marco.hien@math.uni-augsburg.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A627338D751C449EA54C0BA518ABCB2E215D939534F7D149C246EA9EA0D36279
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 459561500779 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Paul Karrer <p.karrer@arrowecs.at>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BC4ABEF11E1CDD5388467ED4AA132904D2FBFB0D28D820941A1A83B81BBD2E1D
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 41209 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'chiapas; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/564D15E62651166A34A845EA000EC43536024A5B18B0C174B80FB63592CB18F7
mircea_popescu: phf it's the whole bundle. see log, phuctor does whole 1,6mn batch in < 15 minutes now
phf: neat
asciilifeform: updated displayer
asciilifeform: now everybody have phun.
asciilifeform: i'ma add the werker as hourly cron.
mod6: cool asciilifeform
asciilifeform: now we just need 'eightball'
asciilifeform: (see logz)
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-27#1458577 << i'm moving tomorrow, but i'll work on it in the next week or so. it's in a backlog
a111: Logged on 2016-04-27 16:44 asciilifeform: do we have a $s yet ?
asciilifeform: i prolly oughta get rid of the retest button, it is meaningless.
phf: (reminded me on account of eightball)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: safe to link to now, etc.
asciilifeform: it isn't going anywhere.
asciilifeform: 'all systems go.'
ben_vulpes: mazel tov, asciilifeform
asciilifeform: ty ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: i'll probably be even less communicative than i've been for the next month or two
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: how come
deedbot: [Loper OS] Phuctor is Back! - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1639
mircea_popescu: you done good alfie.
asciilifeform: ty mircea_popescu .
asciilifeform: (enjurl!)
asciilifeform: everybody.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 205
asciilifeform: and i think it's herr doktor bernstein
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: bezzletronic short deadline immense scope throwaway internal project for local dropshipper
ben_vulpes: that apparently only i have a chance at getting out the door in time
phf: $$$
asciilifeform: good luck to ben_vulpes
mircea_popescu: monyz make teh world go round...
ben_vulpes: three weeks ago, "hey team, work looks slow for the forseeable future. everyone take fridays off!"
ben_vulpes: this week "myeah you've got thirty days to codify this business logic up and wrap it up in a webapp"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is list of phucked sorted randomly on each load ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is, isnnit.
asciilifeform will need to massage this later.
asciilifeform: $up gabriel_laddel
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: soooooo who wants to prepare the eightball
asciilifeform: so i dun have to.
asciilifeform: can put yer name in the userstring, become phamous!111111
mircea_popescu: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/theory << when you do that massaging, also perhaps add bernstein to theory page
mircea_popescu: lol BingoBoingo has quite the log for when he comes back huh.
mircea_popescu: entirely unrelated, til stalin actually moslty copied witte.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it did not take necessarily a witte to notice where ru was headed if it did not industrialize (to same place as cn of the time)
mircea_popescu: but the specifics i mean.
mircea_popescu: bleed the peasants, build steel mills is not actually a stalin idea.
asciilifeform: it is originally english !
asciilifeform: long before modern steel, but same pattern.
mircea_popescu: but in 1700 bleeding peasants for any and all reasons was normalcy.
mircea_popescu: this is 1900.
asciilifeform: neh but for this specific reason.
asciilifeform: in other nyooz 2nd werker shot.
asciilifeform: cron worx.
asciilifeform: notice, 'waiting for test' is now ~1000
asciilifeform: (new ones are still being pumped in from the old sks parse. about 200k left iirc)
asciilifeform: and their key is a random turd.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo https://cryptome.org/2016/04/scotus-frcr16_8mad.pdf >>><<< http://dpaste.com/1106D92.txt << quite qntraworthy imho.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: most interestingly,
asciilifeform: 'a magistrate judge with authority in any district where activities related to a crime may have occurred has authority to issue a warrant to use remote access to search electronic storage media and to seize or copy electronically stored information located within or outside that district if: (A) the district where the media or information is located has been concealed through technological means; or (B) in an investigation of a vio
asciilifeform: lation of 18 U.S.C. § 1030(a)(5), the media are protected computers that have been damaged without authorization and are located in five or more districts.'
asciilifeform: afaik this was NOT EVEN A CASE RULING
asciilifeform: but plain old decree
asciilifeform: can't recall any such thing in living memory
mircea_popescu: ahahaha they moved it to the magistrate "judge", ie, police court ?
mircea_popescu: stalin'd be proud.
asciilifeform: not only moved
asciilifeform: but pretty much unlimited jurisdiction, formally.
mircea_popescu: ftr, magistrate a) is no judge b) has no authority.
mircea_popescu: magistrate "judge" is a police station bureaucrat. judges exist through congress not through government.,
asciilifeform: l0l possibly in 1950
mircea_popescu: to this very day.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> lol BingoBoingo has quite the log for when he comes back huh. << Not so many lines, but so much information
mircea_popescu: hey, you still have to pay tax in the way and for the reasons "in 1950". nothing changed.
asciilifeform: nothing but the diameter of the broomstick
asciilifeform: from cm to m.
mircea_popescu: magistrate "judge" still has NO authority but by consent of the parties.
mircea_popescu: which is why all the "get people to sign" is so paramount to the whole activity of usg thuggery.
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu is thinking of 'plea bargain' thing, it typically happens in front of a traditional judge
mircea_popescu: (watch as stuff obtained through alleged warrant issued by magistrate faux judge gets overturned as inadmissible at proper trial.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's why! so it covers up all this pretense and bullshit.
asciilifeform: ah yes.
mircea_popescu: never EVER sign anything.
asciilifeform: ulbricht, in all fairness, did not sign
asciilifeform: 'wash hands, die of cholera anyway'
mircea_popescu: he did, but in his case it was kinda perverse.
mircea_popescu: (he ineptly refused to claim priviledges.)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You know, you could have arranged that same number of words into a paragraph wrapped the paste in blockquotes and just submitted this amount of information as a qntra piece yourself? Y U LEAVE VALUE ON THE TABLE
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i m lazy
BingoBoingo: To lazy to have wrapped that information into a text editor box instead of irc box?
mircea_popescu: he's rich!
mircea_popescu: such lazy only the rich display.
BingoBoingo: For someone who bid 9 btc for a machine that harvests btc shavings, this changing text input box is hard bsns seems almost pathological.
BingoBoingo: This professing to want do anything for BTC income stream and passing by one of few actual non-gambly options is mystifying.
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 880468295885 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Kai Schmalenbach <davekay.de@gmail.com>; Kai Schmalenbach <schmalenbach@metaq.de>; Kai Schmalenbach <kaischmalenbach@metaq.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/88FA6FEC98E18C3643A052814AD647ACDEB617182744E0B59EA9AB7A9276743C
mircea_popescu: ahh i love this new rss.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well, erry man runs his own household!
BingoBoingo still thinks alf needs a 12 step program, but dunno for what
mircea_popescu: lol at bitstamp spamming their derpy "we're licensed" news. a) it's not fucking important ; b) stop spamming already omfg.
adlai: danielpbarron: what do you have to say about the 12step meme's appropriation of your memeplex in step 1? (and its appropriation of bb's brain, but that's another matter, and better memes than liquor dreams)
adlai: asciilifeform: congratulations
adlai: mod6: and i say this with greatest regard for alf, but i will probably get more "12step" mileage out of your T-shirt (of the hair variety, sadly, but trimmer than orgmode!) than trb and phuctor, combined
adlai: unless trb manages to compile itself next time i kick it.
BingoBoingo: adlai: That doesn't happen until steps 2 and 3
adlai: ahh. and the psych lady said to wait for step 30!
mircea_popescu: by now the phuctor rss is actually a major reason to watch this chan. i have nfi how one could be "in crypto/compsec/sysadmin" and NOT want to see the key holes in real time.
asciilifeform back from ph00d
adlai: amazing how you deed a premature suicide note and everybody gets all "ohnoes, wait a few years and then go out with a bang"
mircea_popescu: adlai what are you on about ?
adlai is listening to Universal Mind - Liquid Tension Experiment
mircea_popescu: this "new and improved" version of vexual is not particularly new, or improved. plox to keep volume low.
BingoBoingo picked up his six month coin today, several days after but today is when meeting was.
adlai: asciilifeform: lemme get this right. 8ball is SMP werker?
asciilifeform: adlai: realize that the whole 1.7m mods get phuctored in ~800 sec.
adlai: BingoBoingo: I actually (as told to mom, who buys my booze, grudgingly) like to have a beer every couple months, to remember why I keep that frequency low that low.
asciilifeform: adlai: read the bloody l0gz
adlai: damnit there are more logs than altcoins! body was on a diet of group therapy, olanzapine, and windows for a ~month. have no sympathy but at least wait with the penance!
a111: Logged on 2016-04-29 18:56 asciilifeform: eh, bit of a downer to me
adlai: aha. thank you.
adlai searched for 8ball and almost thought alf was joking with this request
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-30#1459699 << i dun have an mpex acct. so qntra shares are not mechanically convertible to coin.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-30 03:18 BingoBoingo: This professing to want do anything for BTC income stream and passing by one of few actual non-gambly options is mystifying.
BingoBoingo: But Jurov actually provides quality customer service A++11!!+ recommend
adlai assumes desired "8ball" is a C 'script' / patch to upcoming 'werker', rather than web spider + sudden submission?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun have a coinbr acct either, for reasons discussed in agonizing detail in the logz
asciilifeform: (i refuse in principle to pay storage)
adlai: asciilifeform: fwiw jurov holds my qntra shares in indefinite custody until they are enough to cover coinbr fees
adlai is done with charity
asciilifeform: adlai: all it is, is primes 2 ... N (for some large N) turned into a phuctor-compatible gpg key
BingoBoingo: But then hao does jurov get paid? If no one pays for anything we're just a bunch of fucking hippies
adlai: asciilifeform: ah, so homework, not workwork.
asciilifeform: adlai: aha
adlai: in a shocking plot twist, s.limbs = coinbr ipo
asciilifeform: 'lose weight, shed limbs!'
adlai: god knows it pulls in more bottom line than qntra, mg, and nsa combined
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