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adlai can't find the trollbox input field?
ben_vulpes: keep looking
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3044 @ 0.00049566 = 1.5088 BTC [-] {2}
adlai: ;;later tell dub re: comment in https://archive.is/aLk6f, you omit the reason why this is an excellent s-pass filter: technical barriers to entry leave low-content photons behind. cf http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369512
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 00:10:03; mircea_popescu: http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/photons.htm << this thing's a fucking riot. "photon of color" totally makes the whole piece.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
adlai: ben_vulpes re: "not operating a public urinal", tel aviv municipality has begun charging shnekels
adlai notes that mircea_popescu has voluntarily stuffed a gold bar into one of these, which is quite generous of him; once it runs low, it should really be somebody else's turn to jam the meter
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: do you still have a copy of trinque's gentooizer?
adlai: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/12/25_ann-wotpaste-alpha-oh-and-i-found-another-fucked-up-corner-of-gpg.html#fnr.1 << this is a not-bug-feature in deed^I (ping trinque ), gives the operator lead time in the nickel snatching race
assbot: [ANN] WOTPASTE Alpha (oh and I found another fucked up corner of GPG...) ... ( http://bit.ly/1nmLvpX )
trinque: ben_vulpes: I have it
ben_vulpes: neato, trinque. i'd love a copy.
assbot: Logged on 15-08-2015 22:32:03; trinque: shinohai: http://deedbot.org/genbootstrap.sh.sig
trinque: having logs is so great.
trinque: I mean that as broadly as possible.
trinque: moreover logs with cryptographically preserved time capsules
adlai: deed-by-month is the enemy of merkle mountaineering greatness
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4434 @ 0.00049653 = 2.2016 BTC [+]
assbot: Development Costs of User Interface Development (and mitigating them with Clojure/Script) ... ( http://bit.ly/1nmMFBY )
pete_dushenski: https://map.what3words.com/ << " what3words has identified every one of the 57 trillion 3mx3m squares on the entire planet with just three, easy to remember, words. Every location on the earth now has a fixed, easily-accessible and memorable address. Unpopulated places have addresses for the first time ever, of course, but now so do heavily populated places like favelas in Brazil where there are no roads or numb
pete_dushenski: ered houses. Moreover the three word addresses are available not just in English but in French, Spanish, Portuguese, Swahili, Russian, German, Turkish and Swedish with more languages on the way. The addresses in other languages are not translations but unique 3 word addresses in those languages."
adlai: next up, utxo-bloating "global triverb billboard"
ben_vulpes: one of my favorite parts of addresses is how they indicate relative proximity to someone who knows the map
ben_vulpes: i don't really see that in 3w
adlai: you're looking at implementation bugs, the idea is priceless
adlai: or worthless. or both
assbot: A little data-flow analysis party trick ... ( http://bit.ly/1UToYvm )
trinque: adlai: on my list is having the... urinal as you call it... announce its hunger
trinque: by god, sometime this month it might even have a fully synced trb to poke too
trinque: I'm still waiting on your generous donation btw, Anduck
punkman: notbad alt-deedbot I saw https://bitsig.io/
assbot: bitsig - Blockchain Timestamps ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTq4aw )
ben_vulpes: re sks thread signed bundles of keys on everyone's websites is probably the best way to go
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4310 @ 0.00049896 = 2.1505 BTC [+] {2}
adlai: bestgood alt-deedbot is http://cryptograffiti.info/
assbot: CryptoGraffiti - Bitcoin blockchain messages as text ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTqWft )
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: re: 3x, that's an excellent point. they really don't take that into account.
adlai: because it actually does what idiots think it does, and thus minimizes gnashing of teeth
adlai has been studying https://github.com/HugPuddle/Apertus lately, will probably push blockchainfs onto the endless moebius TODO stack, along with utxosetfs
assbot: GitHub - HugPuddle/Apertus: Apertus - Store data, browse and communicate on your favorite Blockchains. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTr5j4 )
adlai: the latter purely to annoy those who don't understand why bloom filters belong in Bitcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2390 @ 0.00050317 = 1.2026 BTC [+]
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-12-2015#1341098 << books must be written one prop at a time
assbot: Logged on 11-12-2015 15:09:13; asciilifeform: adlai: have you considered starting a proper blog ?
punkman: adlai: how does apertus encode the data?
adlai: call it an experiment in a new funding model for open source software / pheature poker
adlai: punkman: unimpressively
assbot: Bitcoin BlockBrowser - Transaction Details ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTsHcu )
punkman: ben_vulpes: the one with "locality-sensitive-hashing" is http://geohash.org/
adlai wouldn't blink at a USG imprisonment warrant (and seizure of License to Mine) against such txen
ben_vulpes: !up punindented
ben_vulpes: dont mention it
ben_vulpes: dunno that im into geocoding at all nearly so much as legibility
punindented: well, you can build a hash using that algo and then represent it as you like
punindented: a mnemonic if you're into that
punindented: good thing about that algo is larger areas produce shorter hashes
ben_vulpes: did you catch my point about proximity info embedded in the way things are done traditionally?
punindented: no, let me check the log
punindented: relative proximity in terms of radius or direction and distance?
ben_vulpes: addresses increment from known points, streets are in locations known to natives. addresses encode 'where', legibly.
adlai has rekindled interest in publicurinalfs due to meatpope wanting to immortalize [some arbitrary edition of] {the,his} Bible
punindented: well, you have a recursive algo as well then, but the epicenter varies right?
adlai: meatpope, like the other kinds, has rubies to donate, provided it's done in a kosher manner according to satoshivision etc
ben_vulpes: yes, one must know how to read them. the universality, plus the randomness of hashing completely buries the location signal.
punindented: what are you building :)
assbot: open-location-code/comparison.adoc at master · google/open-location-code · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTtQRf )
ben_vulpes: me? nothing, just pointing out features of the way addresses already work.
punindented: mkay, I have a 'dirty' mind
ben_vulpes: lol dirty how?
BingoBoingo: People who really ought to be reading Qntra instead of medium and livejournal https://archive.is/EbFmp
assbot: Gavin Andresen and Mike Hearn want to sabotage Bitcoin on behalf of the US government. - Andrew Auernheimer ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTtY3m )
adlai: BingoBoingo: /= read eval print
adlai ... loops
punindented: geocoding is interesting for allowing interactions in real life, interactions in real life are interesting to build markets, ...
adlai: it's a lisp joke
BingoBoingo: eggog <2lsd
adlai: !s meth-lsd
assbot: 3 results for 'meth-lsd' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=meth-lsd
adlai is a lotus eater and humbles himself before higher powers such as the legends of bias, zeno, jmc, and satoshi
ben_vulpes: punindented: real life interactions have just about epsilon need of geocoding to proceed
pete_dushenski: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/protections-urged-recent-sex-assaults-nyc-cabs-36218847 << lulz. "please, be more like progressive saudi arabia, where wimminz aren't allowed to leave their houses without their chaperones. kthxbye."
assbot: NYC Police Boss Urges 'Buddy System' for Women in Cabs - ABC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTuvlT )
ben_vulpes: but hey, posit a specific case and let's proceed from there
punindented: what about secure real life transactions
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3565 @ 0.00050366 = 1.7955 BTC [+] {3}
punindented: between previously unknown people
ben_vulpes: i bought a car for 6kusd from a man i found on craigslist who...sent me his address.
ben_vulpes: and yes i took a goon, but who doesn't?
punindented: haha, well, I wasn't thinking of the second hand vehicle market
adlai: punindented: the good-enough solution (drops) gets rediscovered on p2p lists quite often these days... yet customers seem to keep using 'evolution'
ben_vulpes: and yes, the likes of asciilifeform and i gather punindented boggle at the notion of doing h2h's with marginally-known parties with kilobuxx on the barrel
ben_vulpes: although asciilifeform probably does the sme thing with esoteric computer hardware. how would i know...
ben_vulpes: o this is the sr thread again?
adlai: drops are best described not as a coordinate, but using natural language... helps make the system more expensive to game
adlai: pretty much, unless punindented has something else in mind?
punindented: nah, let it go
ben_vulpes: hey, nobody's going to know what you're talking about unless you go so far as to talk about it
BingoBoingo: What happens when Vox.com makes the guy who was interested in Bitcoin sell https://archive.is/u2Uok
assbot: Timothy B. Lee on Twitter: "Is Mike Hearn's post here overstating the magnitude of Bitcoin's crisis? https://t.co/qxLqfk9VRR" ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTuRc9 )
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> and yes i took a goon, but who doesn't? << Persons who are their own goon
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I'm fine watching the bolt ans tesla both suck together
ben_vulpes: btw BingoBoingo i did not miss the brodin line, chuckled
ben_vulpes: but are you really that swole yet?
BingoBoingo: ty ben_vulpes
pete_dushenski: looks like the vw golf-sized bolt weighs damn near two tons. gooooo environment !
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Not that swole yet
pete_dushenski: and lg chem is making the battery for the bolt (but really, who else ?)
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: so is there something wrong with the volt drivetrain that it's not showing up in pickups etc?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6001 @ 0.00049817 = 2.9895 BTC [-] {3}
ben_vulpes: it looks like the least stupid thing to come out of the ecomovement from over here
pete_dushenski: it's more the market demographics
pete_dushenski: there's pretty well zero overlap between greenies and truck drivers
ben_vulpes: but that low end torque!
pete_dushenski: gm tried 'hybrid' pick-ups, sold like 10 of em
ben_vulpes: nono not the hybrid part, i dgaf abt that. the electric motors with onboard generation.
pete_dushenski: the thing is, electric cars have to optimise aero. in the gm 'hybrid' pick-ups, the heinous 'aero' front lip spoilers completely negated the ground clearance, and therefore much of the appeal of trucks in the first place
ben_vulpes: ecoshits aside
ben_vulpes: oh hm
ben_vulpes: they cant conceive of unbundling the good idea from the rhetoric.
pete_dushenski: you want torque, buy a diesel.
pete_dushenski: diesel makes moar smoak too, moar prestige
ben_vulpes: too loud.
pete_dushenski: you're obviously not a pick-up truck buyer
pete_dushenski: they're 80% for show
ben_vulpes: electric drivetrain with onboard generation is entirely the way to go. the train people figured this out a looong ime ago; "diesel electric".
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: yes there's clearly something at work other than sanity
pete_dushenski: yup, "people who shouldn't have money with middling amounts of it"
ben_vulpes: one of your favorite threads :P
pete_dushenski: trains also don't accelerate and decelerate as quickly or as frequently
pete_dushenski: as road vehicles
ben_vulpes: goodness no, they're designed by smart people to...work efficiently as capital equipment.
ben_vulpes: fucking interstate highway project. greatest goddamn misstep.
pete_dushenski: http://www.automotiveaddicts.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/2011-chevrolet-tahoe-hybrid-side.jpg << tahoe hybrid, same '2-mode' powertrain as silverado pick-up, same retarded-on-a-stick aero kit
ben_vulpes: BURN YOUR CAR.
adlai: buy a bike, you'll learn more about trading and addiction from not getting run over than you will from losing money on plebian status symbols
adlai: better yet, rent one, if you live in a halfway modern metropolis
pete_dushenski: and skip the helmet
adlai is still waiting for his bus
ben_vulpes has bikes at three houses around town
ben_vulpes: helmet still recommended if yr gonna play the alleycat
BingoBoingo: The GM hybrid trucks were far more popular for being portable generators than for their hybrid drive, which almost never actually... drove the trucks
ben_vulpes: but yeah notrly necessary for the casual pannier derp
pete_dushenski: what's an alleycat ?
ben_vulpes: oh ho ho
pete_dushenski: in cyclist lingo
ben_vulpes: bike scum shit
ben_vulpes: "here are ten checkpoints in the metro area. GO!"
adlai would kill [his reputation] for a livable career as a bike messenger
adlai: excellent way to literally die honoring a contract (or serving a subpoena)
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: are there no bike scum where you live?
ben_vulpes: tallbikes, gorilla bars, swing-arms?
pete_dushenski: not really. the potholes and the snow are pretty potent deterrents i guess
pete_dushenski: if there are, they're few and far between
ben_vulpes: shame
ben_vulpes: you should see pedalpalooza
ben_vulpes: adlai: might enjoy it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00049566 = 2.4287 BTC [-] {2}
adlai is too busy riding his other bike to notice/'google'
assbot: Amazon Has Just Registered to Sell Ocean Freight ... ( http://bit.ly/1J6g5hz )
ben_vulpes: i can see them snapping up a mess of freighters at rock bottom prices as the bdi keeps collapsing
ben_vulpes: "But the idea of buying ocean freight is far less appealing for U.S. companies selling on the Amazon Marketplace. " << you don't fucking say i'm pretty sure i learned during the alcoa saga that nobody exports from the states any more
ben_vulpes: wow 40-footers going for 1.3k from shenzen to la
ben_vulpes: betcha you can keep the box too
ben_vulpes: ;;8377.5 * 0.24
gribble: Error: "8377.5" is not a valid command.
ben_vulpes: ;;calc 8377.5 * 0.24
gribble: 2010.6
ben_vulpes: ahaha man if they're letting you keep the container you might even be able to make a profit just selling the empty boxes for scrap
ben_vulpes: wait that's stainless
ben_vulpes: anyways, it's not amazon, it's amazon cn, and they're not buying boats, they're operating as a freight forwarder.
Atomicat: ;;up Transisto2
gribble: Error: "up" is not a valid command.
Atomicat: !up Transisto2
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00050603 = 1.3916 BTC [+] {2}
Atomicat: Transisto2: Hi
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2847 @ 0.00050144 = 1.4276 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: ;;sell 1000
gribble: (sell <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a sell order for <amount> units of <thing, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, low, (1 more message)
ben_vulpes: ;;market sell 1000
gribble: Bitfinex | A market order to sell 1000 bitcoins right now would net 405869.8939 USD and would take the last price down to 404.7000 USD, resulting in an average price of 405.8699 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0048 seconds
ben_vulpes: ;;market sell 2000
gribble: Bitfinex | A market order to sell 2000 bitcoins right now would net 809373.3715 USD and would take the last price down to 403.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 404.6867 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 10.3600 seconds
ben_vulpes: ;;market sell 5000
gribble: Bitfinex | A market order to sell 5000 bitcoins right now would net 2012068.3060 USD and would take the last price down to 399.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 402.4137 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 18.6682 seconds
ben_vulpes: ;;market sell 10000
gribble: Bitfinex | A market order to sell 10000 bitcoins right now would net 3922378.5897 USD and would take the last price down to 362.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 392.2379 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 28.1804 seconds
ben_vulpes: ;;market sell 100000
gribble: Bitfinex | A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 7221905.5597 USD and would take the last price down to 0.0010 USD, resulting in an average price of 72.2191 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 43.9365 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6907 @ 0.00050849 = 3.5121 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00050999 = 1.224 BTC [+]
jurov: ben_vulpes yay. it does not account for encoding, as seen in view-source:http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/f3e6ddef-9c00-43d9-ab4f-3d02d64409f4/?raw=true
jurov: also, if there will ever be need for clearsigned-only service, ask me to make new mailing list next to btc-dev (and unlike deedbot, it allows attachments, too)
jurov: with great sadness i have to announce that now it does not even mutilate filenames
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00050999 = 1.8105 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: to the extent it was designed, it was designed to eat ascii.
ben_vulpes: what would you expect to see there?
jurov: when submitting form, browser sends along the encoding.
jurov: not a biggie to send it back, even slap the http header to raw text (text/plain;charset="$charset")
ben_vulpes: browser also submits
ben_vulpes: \r\n for every newline
ben_vulpes: but sure
ben_vulpes: i can almost guarantee that i am not catching encodings right now
adlai: ;;nethash
gribble: 770518178.742
adlai: where'd it all go? did mickey sell his miners too?
adlai clarifies http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370823 : http://dpaste.com/2AKWGVC.txt aka "experiments in positive-sum crowdfunding"
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 06:04:24; adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-12-2015#1341098 << books must be written one prop at a time
assbot: Obama administration ready to put $4B toward self-driving cars ... ( http://bit.ly/1Om1OMD )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2214 @ 0.00050999 = 1.1291 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5621 @ 0.00050999 = 2.8667 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: fresh from the... cupines. "I'm obese, but you are hilarious!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7314 @ 0.00050608 = 3.7015 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370649 << you are very much correct, upon meditation. mike hearn is pretty much the amir taaki of 2014-2015.
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 01:52:40; BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yes, but I can only ever name one at a time and never specify and ordering lest I jinx the list. This is still feeling now like an alt universe version of 2012-2013
mircea_popescu: as a sign of bitcoin's progress in the intervening coupla years, the amir taaki v2.0 can marginally spell, and in a very flat, vulgar manner express himself in writing.
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 02:59:31; asciilifeform: (do we need a magical flute to make this work ?)
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 03:16:57; asciilifeform: http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=sexism_videogames << mega-l0l from BingoBoingo's link
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370682 << you would think that the fucking idiots making handcuffs would have figured out the importance of all using the same key. but no : everyone uses ever-so-slightly-different plain, rectangular shits. and so because i have a bunch of various cuffs and because ending up unable to free a girl happened exactly once... i'm stuck carrying around a fucking pile of tiny l
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 03:20:29; asciilifeform: i suppose height of my career was as a penniless student: 1 key
mircea_popescu: ittle almost-identical keys.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370688 << herpitty derp, maybe at some point idjit in question learns what the key feature of CRYPTOworld is.
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 03:35:18; adlai: actual quote from meatwot-pope: "if somebody executes a death warrant against somebody trying to improve bitcoin, i'll fund and execute one against them myself" (don't judge him, he's prone to angry outbursts)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370692 << i would much prefer a good warrant officer in a career of warrant officer than fucking around the internets trying to "find [the true] himself" because his delusions of success make it look like anything other than BEING GOOD AT WHAT YOU DO.
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 03:45:33; adlai: this is why people who wish for success in life don't go into warrant officer carreers, or even avoid .mil altogether
mircea_popescu: i've known tramps more successful in life than the sort of pointless idiots that come out of "ivy league".
mircea_popescu: this because the tramps were tramps, whereas pressed shit doth not intellectual makes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00050999 = 3.5189 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 04:06:12; BingoBoingo: I could not do it alone. I had to turn my will and life over to my higher power, Brodin the Allspotter.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370732 << "overnight success usually takes 20 years" or how did that go.
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 04:07:00; AdrianG: things got more interesting recently with all these blocksizes
mircea_popescu: "The decision was made to pull from our profits to fill these wallets back up over time, thus attempting to avert complete closure of the website at that time. "
mircea_popescu: oh i see.
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 04:42:22; adlai: seeing as AdrianG did not !register in-channel, we now notice that post-gribble asswot has no way of publicly conjuring public-keyring contents
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 05:04:19; adlai: ;;later tell dub re: comment in https://archive.is/aLk6f, you omit the reason why this is an excellent s-pass filter: technical barriers to entry leave low-content photons behind. cf http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369512
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes Do so (this is not a GPG guide), << Do so (<a href=http://irtfweb.ifa.hawaii.edu/~lockhart/gpg/gpg-cs.html>GPG guide</a>), ?
mircea_popescu: hehe check that out, dub got repelled by the antiuniversalist nature of the new democracy. turns out he was right : the citostatic has prevented tumours (doublespoken as "the channel") from growing. it has however not prevented the list of our accomplishments from growing, which was exactly the fucking point. we don't want more people, and we sure as fuck don't want "all the people". we just want a larger share of ever
mircea_popescu: ything good to flow to ~these~ people, and for it to constantly enlarge. that is all.
mircea_popescu: universalism is for nematodes.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes "Updated: 1/14/2014" << are you from the past ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370800 << this is actually not a bad application of the dicelist. course the rent seeking behaviour entwined in it all is as disgusting as it gets.
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 05:27:50; pete_dushenski: ered houses. Moreover the three word addresses are available not just in English but in French, Spanish, Portuguese, Swahili, Russian, German, Turkish and Swedish with more languages on the way. The addresses in other languages are not translations but unique 3 word addresses in those languages."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370802 << yes but they don't want that, because much like everything else spawned by usg, they want you to need them.
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 05:31:25; ben_vulpes: one of my favorite parts of addresses is how they indicate relative proximity to someone who knows the map
mircea_popescu: think dns, if getting other websites i like would be as easy as adding 1 to "trilema.com"...
mircea_popescu: but of course you can't SIMPLY ADD STRINGS NUMERICALLY right ? :D
punkman: course the rent seeking behaviour entwined in it all is as disgusting as it gets. << their android sdk has all the data/code needed to run your own actually
mircea_popescu: there is exactly 0 possibility that one tries to heysteve and is not rentseeking.
mircea_popescu: strictly the only reason you might try to name things you don't own is your hope to steal a little.
mircea_popescu: which is why your parents calling you joe is a fundamentally different activity from the girl at the bar saying "hey stud" or the dudes threatened thereby going "hey loser".
punkman: myeah disregard my comment "Our goal is for what3words to become a global standard for communicating location. At the moment, the core what3words algorithms and data are not in the public domain. In the future, we may release some or all of our source code – we will continually evaluate the business case for doing this."
mircea_popescu: the "business case", right ?
mircea_popescu: like google's been evaluating the "business case" for not being evil.
mircea_popescu: timothy b lee > wants to write about bitcoin > is not in #bitcoin-assets >wonders why he can't make sense of anything.
mircea_popescu: gg jurnos!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370901 << yeah srsly. there's a fucking reason there's diesel-electric train engines.
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 06:37:05; ben_vulpes: but that low end torque!
shinohai: ;;blocks
gribble: 393413
mircea_popescu: for applications where the low end of the torque curve is what pays the bills, it is actually worth to generate electricity and run an electric engine rather than run a straight combustion engine arrangement
shinohai: I am at 391667 finally
mircea_popescu: but try and explain it to the ustardian weabos that they are solving an imagined problem with the exactly anti-adequate tools.
mircea_popescu: heh almost there shinohai wd.
shinohai: patience
shinohai: Mine hath been tested.
mircea_popescu: how long did this take ?
shinohai: 3 months? Running for first time with -verifyall
mircea_popescu: my 3 week old node is at 332425
shinohai: I dunno mod6 told me it was normal
mircea_popescu: yeah, it is. this is a slightly beefier machine
shinohai: So i just let it chug along. It's running on a shitty board tbh
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370904 << in truth, engine miniaturization has proceeded to the point where this product would be marketable : a 4x4 "true" SUV with a pick-up truck option that has a 2-3 liter gasoline engine with a gpl add-on (so you can run it either on full gasoline, or do gasoline starting and run on gas) that autoswitches from powering the drive train to powering an electric engine
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 06:38:58; pete_dushenski: the thing is, electric cars have to optimise aero. in the gm 'hybrid' pick-ups, the heinous 'aero' front lip spoilers completely negated the ground clearance, and therefore much of the appeal of trucks in the first place
mircea_popescu: to power the drive train function of torque draw. and just for the marketing, put optional TRACK kit on the list.
mircea_popescu: make it 3-4 tons, damned thing could pretty much climb straight up a wall.
mircea_popescu: definitely could pull a us-style house.
mircea_popescu: there clearly exists a market for $100k cars, and this wouldn't take that to make.
assbot: Let's build a Freedom Node · Pavol Rusnak ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMYVFO )
mircea_popescu: bring back hardened steel bodies, etc.
shinohai: oh yeah searched that already
shinohai: ^ advocates running XT, Tor
mircea_popescu: have all the good ads for it : take it to a skating rink, pour water up to the axles, watch it freeze, then climb, ignition and just go.
mircea_popescu: shinohai just tell the guy to come hiar.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370921 << they "had to get the economy out of the slump". and so they... TARP'd the whole country.
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 06:45:30; ben_vulpes: fucking interstate highway project. greatest goddamn misstep.
mircea_popescu: to bureaucrat's credit, it must be pointed out that this time around they learned from those mistakes of the past and DIDNT spend on infrastructure. just gave the money off to the banks free and clear.
mircea_popescu: of course, to their discredit they still didn't figure out what the COMPLETE correction to their existence is. just went from "doing something stupid" to "not doing anything". the "how about you stop existing at all" thing is too hard.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370931 << word. i never gave a shit about the entire http://trilema.com/2011/nsfw-gradina-edenului/ "boats are the place" bullshit.
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 06:48:31; BingoBoingo: The GM hybrid trucks were far more popular for being portable generators than for their hybrid drive, which almost never actually... drove the trucks
assbot: NSFW Gradina Edenului on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UUbpvI )
mircea_popescu: then one day power was out and suddenly... "wait, isn't that 240 HP engine backed by a full electric generator ? that could do up to 240 HP aka 180 kW ?
mircea_popescu: (in the end it could only do about 110, but that's... still enough)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370954 << they export plenty, all through twitter &c
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 07:10:57; ben_vulpes: "But the idea of buying ocean freight is far less appealing for U.S. companies selling on the Amazon Marketplace. " << you don't fucking say i'm pretty sure i learned during the alcoa saga that nobody exports from the states any more
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370965 << and it's not a news site, it's radio erevan.
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 07:17:12; ben_vulpes: anyways, it's not amazon, it's amazon cn, and they're not buying boats, they're operating as a freight forwarder.
mircea_popescu: ;;nethash
gribble: 765883451.143
mircea_popescu: we're going to see a negative correction here for fucking once.
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 393414 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 1721 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 15 hours, 48 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00050415 = 2.1174 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00050943 = 1.6302 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: interesting rumor I heard. Gavin when teaming up with the Toomim's told them "who the opposition really was" and they want a #b-a blessing now..."convince the opposition"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00050942 = 1.5283 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00050299 = 3.0682 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 14:02:23; thestringpuller: interesting rumor I heard. Gavin when teaming up with the Toomim's told them "who the opposition really was" and they want a #b-a blessing now..."convince the opposition"
davout: mircea_popescu: plz to x.eur
pete_dushenski: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 390.92, Best ask: 390.98, Bid-ask spread: 0.06000, Last trade: 390.83, 24 hour volume: 73577.19043617, 24 hour low: 385.03, 24 hour high: 432.57, 24 hour vwap: None
pete_dushenski: -10% overnight eh
pete_dushenski: must be all the block size controversy
pete_dushenski: "mass adoption will never happen without consensus u guise !!!1"
mircea_popescu: on it davout
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 21:56:37; mircea_popescu: anyone remember "twobitidiot" ? no, because today it's "toomim brothers". bla bla, whatevs.
assbot: Who Sucks More, Circle or TwoBitIdiot? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q2PktT )
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski eh, teh usg herps will try and as per usual fail to enact their mattering in the history of the world as recorded by its current sovereign, bitcoin.
pete_dushenski: quite so.
assbot: Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeJp6j )
pete_dushenski: ^includes, yes, tevye
pete_dushenski: cheers to mod6 for his assistance in applying stan's last two patches !
pete_dushenski: tevye's currently cruising at 18 connex while using ~350 mb memory. this is down from 50+ connex and 2 gb memory
pete_dushenski: "Dow briefly plunges 400 points after data, oil rout" << looks like it's 'sell the farm' day. wti under $30 too.
mircea_popescu: sell the farm to buy what ?
pete_dushenski: magic beans, just like jack.
pete_dushenski: or mebbe pay off loans before yellen cranks the pain plan ratchet again ?
assbot: Inb4 the pain plan. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q2Shuk )
pete_dushenski: "General Electric Co said it would sell its appliance business to China's Haier Group for $5.4 billion in cash, another step in its push to sell its non-core assets and project itself as a technology company." << here's where the chinese money is going.
mircea_popescu: non core, right.
mircea_popescu: GM Classic.
pete_dushenski: "The deal comes weeks after GE walked away from a deal to sell the business to Sweden's Electrolux for $3.3 billion, following months of opposition from U.S. antitrust regulators." << "we chineese, we no kaya hao much amewikan beezneez cost. we want buy nao !"
pete_dushenski: "For Haier, the deal means ownership of a century-old appliance business that makes refrigerators, freezers, clothes washers and dryers across brands such as Monogram, Café, Profile and Artistry. The business trails only Whirlpool Corp in the U.S. white goods market and reported revenue of $5.9 billion last year." << mega-non-core.
assbot: dpaste: 1C0H70B ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q2TgL8 )
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski the truth is that "butterism" or however you say in english the chinese concept equivalent to the mexican "malinchismo" ensures that a chinese corp is in the best position to make money from otherwise defunct us brands.
mod6: <+pete_dushenski> cheers to mod6 for his assistance in applying stan's last two patches ! << glad you got it working, Sir. =]
mircea_popescu: ain't mod6 a total pleasure to work with ?
mod6: awe, thx!
mod6: PeterL: Hey, glad you got it resolved!
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_butugychag
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: that he is indeed
pete_dushenski: !s butterism
assbot: 0 results for 'butterism' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=butterism
pete_dushenski: !s malinchismo
assbot: 0 results for 'malinchismo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=malinchismo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 0.42679334 BTC to 5`000`000 shares, 8 satoshi per share
pete_dushenski: those are new terms for me too
mircea_popescu: hmm no deedbot ? trinque ? :)
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371145 << Nothing Sucks Like Electrolux! (tm) (r) (actual)
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 15:04:10; pete_dushenski: "The deal comes weeks after GE walked away from a deal to sell the business to Sweden's Electrolux for $3.3 billion, following months of opposition from U.S. antitrust regulators." << "we chineese, we no kaya hao much amewikan beezneez cost. we want buy nao !"
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski they reference the smell of butter of people who eat in the western fashion
mircea_popescu: as milk products are virtually unknown in the mud eating empire.
assbot: theo must be mad.Shaming people for leaving useless non essential feature in t... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q2Vg6f )
mircea_popescu: anyway. every slut eventually reaches that sad zenith point so aptly described by the celebrated Elvira Bulumac : http://trilema.com/2012/literatura-la-prima-ora-sau-capitolul-i/#selection-59.1-59.20
assbot: Literatura la prima ora, sau Capitolul I on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q2Vom7 )
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag why am i reading "sfjulie" ?
thestringpuller: !up pete_dushenski
trinque: mircea_popescu: thanks!
thestringpuller: !up PeterL
mircea_popescu: the woman has no idea what she's talking about nor any appreciation of what having an idea even is or why'd it be desirable.
ascii_butugychag: linked for entomological reasons
assbot: dpaste: 07ZM70V ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q2VPwS )
deedbot-: Bad URL or network outage.
ascii_butugychag: something like mircea_popescu's specimens from okc
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mod6: <+mod6> PeterL: Hey, glad you got it resolved! << should have put this in a later tell, sorry.
deedbot-: accepted: 1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 146.34965138 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 29 satoshi per share
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371101 << l0lz!! am i the only one who gets this ref
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 12:29:30; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370965 << and it's not a news site, it's radio erevan.
ascii_butugychag: maybe phf too.
ascii_butugychag: and hey what happened to the other orks ? dignork ?
mircea_popescu: they were sold to the chinese conglomerate lusski for 5.5 bn.
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371097 << hitler's yacht was a diesel-electric thing and was taken as a spoil; after the war, it powered a good chunk of odessa, for a while, iirc
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 12:24:55; mircea_popescu: then one day power was out and suddenly... "wait, isn't that 240 HP engine backed by a full electric generator ? that could do up to 240 HP aka 180 kW ?
mircea_popescu: can fit a lotta 20w lightbulbs in 100kw
mircea_popescu: i haven't seen a new car model i liked in 20 years.
ascii_butugychag: !s the best car
assbot: 8 results for 'the best car' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=the+best+car
ascii_butugychag: (is... staying home)
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371082 << the lulzy bit is that i have a node going on EXACTLY THAT machine
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 12:17:16; shinohai: !s http://gk2.sk/lets-build-a-freedom-node/
ascii_butugychag: it is starvation-cheap, for a fanless pentium thing, and mostly runs
shinohai: so it wouldn't be a waste of money to buy one for node purposes
ascii_butugychag: i don't recommend it
ascii_butugychag: 'pcengines' makes a cheaper and physically more compact box with AMD chipset, of same horsepower
ascii_butugychag: and you can put linuxbios on it
ascii_butugychag: unlike the intel turd
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371072 << this is probably not surprising to anyone who's been paying attention, but a trb node that isn't up to current height won't relay any tx that involves blocks not yet seen
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 12:12:28; mircea_popescu: my 3 week old node is at 332425
ascii_butugychag: this is not a bug.
ascii_butugychag: but it does mean that a trb node is largely useless until fully synced.
thestringpuller: LOL. Coinbase exhcange pulls a Gox due to volatility!
mircea_popescu: ie "we were trading while insolvent, which is a crime, except for usg agencies"
thestringpuller: "oinbase Exchange is currently experiencing an outage, we are investigating and hope to have it back online soon." << They say it's "technical diffculties" either way, the exchange went down due to high volume trading.
thestringpuller: straight up Gox.
gribble: Error: "goxlag" is not a valid command.
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371044 << reminds me, more than anything, of... urbit
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 11:40:24; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370800 << this is actually not a bad application of the dicelist. course the rent seeking behaviour entwined in it all is as disgusting as it gets.
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371052 << largely yes. though i can thing of, e.g., astronomers naming comets, etc
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 11:51:17; mircea_popescu: strictly the only reason you might try to name things you don't own is your hope to steal a little.
mircea_popescu: yeah, right. to quote : "E, se Vostra Magnificenzia dallo apice della sua altezza qualche volta volgerà li occhi in questi luoghi bassi, conoscerà quanto io indegnamente sopporti una grande e continua malignità di fortuna."
assbot: Cartile au murit, on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1n0JBL8 )
ascii_butugychag: lulzily, unrelatedly, i warmed up engine at the crack of dawn, to head to the trains, and turned on radio, '...france demands regulation of terrorist finances, such as the use of virtual currencies, such as bitcoins...'
mircea_popescu: herp derp.
mircea_popescu: fat child rapist put his hand in an old pillow and is now talking to himself ? fu bahamas.
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 08:10:56; jurov: with great sadness i have to announce that now it does not even mutilate filenames
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370878 << from the total and utter lack of anything like a wot marketplace for any thing i use whatsoever, i am stuck in heathendom (e.g., 'ebay') entirely
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 06:32:19; ben_vulpes: although asciilifeform probably does the sme thing with esoteric computer hardware. how would i know...
ascii_butugychag: this was discussed on multiple occasions.
ascii_butugychag: many times i tried to buy something via otc, it was a sad joke every time
ascii_butugychag: which is interesting, because - before there even was 'ebay' - as a kid, i would buy/sell exotic hardware via usenet
ascii_butugychag: and there were takers
ascii_butugychag: whereas today, what little remains is corralled
thestringpuller: OTC devolved into madness pretty quickly. Paranoid everyone is a scammer.
thestringpuller: albeit the birthplace of the WoT
mircea_popescu: heh. to quote, "This is stupid way to adjust SNR for a few reasons not least that it is already solved in the IRC protocol. Chanops are a group of people the founder trusts sufficiently to regulate the conversation, deal with bad actors and operate the channel in the manner he intends. Kind of like a web of trust without the numerous failures this bullshit introduces. Default deny will prevent the channel from growing,
mircea_popescu: will not deflect a motivated attack, while adding a handful of SPOFs, risks and annoyance."
mircea_popescu: clearly the stupid model worked.
ascii_butugychag: where was this
mircea_popescu: not only it created powerful with a view to almighty enemies for the "well intentioned" idiots engaging in that nonsense, but also it... fell over, burned and then sunk into the swamp.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ok73wh )
ascii_butugychag: wtf is a 'SPOF'
mircea_popescu: single point of failure.
pete_dushenski: huh. logs are missing everything from "re: other nazi yachts, lulzy oldie" to "while supplies last - with identical crud; etc"
ascii_butugychag: assbot was out
pete_dushenski: so he was
ascii_butugychag: who was dub anyway
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: you can't really put a real engine in the composite shits. << what "composite shits" are these ? most high-end cars have carbon-fibre tubs and 600hp+ turbocharged engines with 500lb ft+ of torque
pete_dushenski: seem to hold us quite nicely in fact
pete_dushenski: pagani even has proprietary titanium-reinforced carbon fibre. very nifty.
mircea_popescu: how much does a 600hp turbocharged engine wiht 500lb ft of torque cost ?
pete_dushenski: probably 50-70k
pete_dushenski: as part of a 300k car
ascii_butugychag: why not also include the cost of the law school tuition and the whores
pete_dushenski: you can buy such power from "domestics" for 20-30k
ascii_butugychag: engine per se is prolly south of 10k
mircea_popescu: so 300k car. what happens if i attach that 300k car to a street pole and go ful lthrothle in the ist ?
pete_dushenski: probably wheel spin
mircea_popescu: right. so the idea was that you could market a 100k real suv/pick up with 4k lbft torque, which if so attached would pull the light out and drag it with two yards' worth of sidewalk and the parked cars.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3888 @ 0.00050189 = 1.9513 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: and in spite of being able to pull train cars / tanks / your house, iut would still do ok on the freeway.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: these exist, are called bulldozer ?
mircea_popescu: bulldozer is straight. this would be electric.
ascii_butugychag: large mining trucks and bulldozers are presently diesel-electric
ascii_butugychag: we even had'em in su
mircea_popescu: exacflty my fucking point omfg!
ascii_butugychag: aha, ancient tech
ascii_butugychag: but the CORRECT way to do these is to throw out the transmission box and have 1 electric motor per wheel.
ascii_butugychag: (you win on efficiency, cost, and also get the regenerative brake thing)
ascii_butugychag: but, to borrow an uncleal-ism, 'But It Would Be Wrong'
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370918 << ever since dc metro put in human drivers again into most of the trains, the thing brakes 10 times, lurches, nauseating
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 06:43:30; pete_dushenski: trains also don't accelerate and decelerate as quickly or as frequently
mircea_popescu: i have no idea what the correct way would be, but i envisaged an auto-transfer arrangement, where the engine powers the drive train except if torque pull gets too strong in which case it kicks off and electric engine takes over
mircea_popescu: they'd have to basically be pooled and work together
ascii_butugychag: nah that's what they do ~now~
ascii_butugychag: and it sucks
pete_dushenski: ascii_butugychag: ford and vw (with usg/'protean') are working on just that : in-wheel electric motors
ascii_butugychag: because you're paying for that transmission being there at all
mircea_popescu: you want exactly what the market wants : a truck with good highway behaviour.
mircea_popescu: so yes, you'e paying. what of it.
assbot: Protean Electric | Protean Electric ... ( http://bit.ly/1RKUa2u )
mircea_popescu: meh it looks like a pos.
pete_dushenski: !up peterl
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: usg. waddyawant.
PeterL: hi, trying to build trb, anybody want to help me figure out what is wrong? http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/d0592532-07b7-468e-a913-988919c58f5b/
mircea_popescu: See `config.log' for more details. << what's that say PeterL ?
ascii_butugychag: fatal error: sys/cdefs.h: No such file or directory
ascii_butugychag: whatcha building on? nintendo ?
mircea_popescu: so far it looks like you don't have a working compiler basically
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag xubuntu iirc.
ascii_butugychag: checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... no
ascii_butugychag: xubuntu went clang ?!!
PeterL: aha, do I need to switch to a different compiler?
ascii_butugychag: (has anybody built the thing with clang? i wouldn't use such a trb in the field, but it would be handy for scientific - code coverage, flow graph, etc. purposes)
ascii_butugychag: clang/llvm is well-suited for vivisection, and gcc is, unfortunately (see old threads re: why) is not
mircea_popescu: i recall maybe ben_vulpes toying with this at some point ?
assbot: Defend the world-trashers at the expense of those doing their tiny damndest, and lets see where that gets you ... ( http://bit.ly/1n0N6kX )
ascii_butugychag: !s from:ben_vulpes clang
assbot: 4 results for 'from:ben_vulpes clang' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aben_vulpes+clang
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3985 @ 0.00050183 = 1.9998 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: oh i'm sure i did at some point, i have a bad windmill mabit
ben_vulpes: *habit
mircea_popescu: so basically to go through portland in relative safety one needs a half dozen fascia bearers to bullwhip a whole horde of plebs away enough to form a path.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00050183 = 1.1542 BTC [-]
ascii_butugychag: l0l ben_vulpes with lictors
ascii_butugychag: then what do i need, tank column ??
mircea_popescu: why do you think it's by the you ? it's by the them.
mircea_popescu: you need the same.
assbot: Parks bureau works to clear large encampment on Springwater Corridor - BikePortland.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1RKWZAz )
ascii_butugychag: (did, for a while. it was called 'occupy')
ben_vulpes: related lolz that didn't make it in
ben_vulpes: there are twenty feet of tarpaulined hoarder-pile stacked along 20th avenue, just outside the aforementioned col. summers park
ben_vulpes: the parks department won't touch it because it's not in the park proper
ben_vulpes: and the cops won't touch it because "be nice to the homeless!"
ascii_butugychag: 'These two groups will always be at odds: the former striving endlessly to turn shitholes into nice little houses, and shabby ghettos into marginally liveable neighborhoods; and the latter preying upon the former's parks for places to sleep, their churches for free meals, and generally attempting to take the nice things for which they did no work and kick the others out.' << that last sent
ascii_butugychag: ence describes rent-seekers as well as hobos
mircea_popescu: how are hobos not rent seekers ?
mircea_popescu: they're the paradigmatic rent seeker.
ascii_butugychag: hobo is small change
ag3nt_zer0: good morning b-a
mircea_popescu: what exactly is the difference between "politician"? and hobo ? student ? etc.
mircea_popescu: scale is not a difference.
thestringpuller: there is no difference?
ben_vulpes: small pineapple, large pineapple, should not matter when sitting. idem broomsticks prolly.
mircea_popescu: cunt fits all sizes.
ascii_butugychag: idk, even tepes was said to have used multiple calibers of stake, on a case by case basis
mircea_popescu: but i look forward to you learned men and your treatises of medicine discussing tuberculosis remedies by scale.
mircea_popescu: "if it's a big tuberculosis, drink coffee. if it is still small, drink tea!"
ben_vulpes: cancer has scalar treatments, non?
ben_vulpes: "maybe this" and "nop"
ascii_butugychag: scale exists for all. small boil? knife. gangrenous leg? saw.
mircea_popescu: that incidentally is a very informative field of study for he who aims to be a better systems expert : cancer cures.
mircea_popescu: the criteria for operability are very strictly given. for instance pancreatic cancer : has it touched the fat planes protecting the mesenteric vessels ?
mircea_popescu: it's not a matter of scale except to the layman. it is a matter of very alphabetical lists of things, for the professional.
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, i got an entire night of sleep last night
mircea_popescu: heretic.
mircea_popescu: !excomunicate ben_vulpes
ascii_butugychag: mega-respekt
ben_vulpes: *and* the girl is sick.
ben_vulpes: *and* the child may be getting it as well.
ben_vulpes: ifni rolled me a good one.
mircea_popescu: ;;ud ifni
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=Ifni | Despite the urgency of escalating health care costs, there seems to be a slackidemic among those in power preventing any meaningful action from being taken.
ben_vulpes: hipster goddes of luck, aka lady infity, lady limit
ben_vulpes: has domain over chance, mean reversion
thestringpuller: ;;nethash
gribble: 768156022.097
ben_vulpes: statistically unlikely events and i guess vanity addresses
thestringpuller: ;;calc 768156022.097 * 0.005
gribble: 3840780.11049
mircea_popescu: !s nethash
assbot: 519 results for 'nethash' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nethash
mircea_popescu: 27/12 : gribble: 837554982.002 ; 13/1 gribble: 886485320.427 ; 15/1 : 12:30:43 gribble: 765883451.143
thestringpuller: i think gribble is miscalculating
thestringpuller: ;;gentime 768156022.097
gribble: The average time to generate a block at 768156022.097 Mhps, given difficulty of 1.13354299801e+11, is 1 week, 0 days, 8 hours, 3 minutes, and 24 seconds
mircea_popescu: you missed a 0
thestringpuller: ;;nethash help
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so what's the rest of that shaking ny black dude hands story ?
gribble: (nethash takes no arguments) -- Shows the current estimate for total network hash rate, in Ghps.
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 14:45:17; pete_dushenski: cheers to mod6 for his assistance in applying stan's last two patches !
mircea_popescu: not all intercourse is fucking to require something hard to get it started, alfie!
mircea_popescu: sometimes people just like to cuddle.
ascii_butugychag: lulzily i am using a keyboard at this minute that is only slightly bigger than a vhs tape
ascii_butugychag: but has full-sized keys
trinque: "happy hacker" ?
ascii_butugychag: trinque: variant thereof, but with arrows
ascii_butugychag: 'not from a good life'
ascii_butugychag: a proper thing simply does not fit on this here desk.
ascii_butugychag: trinque: 'fc660c'
trinque: not a bad looking clacky
ascii_butugychag: actually it is extremely painful on account of missing f keys and home/end/pgup/pgdown
ascii_butugychag: but not as painful as the idiot crapple kbd
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag> a proper thing simply does not fit on this here desk. <<as the world famous afanti once said, "don't laugh at chinese nopee girls lest you come to ride on their desks one day"
mircea_popescu: what the fuck are you doing, assembling ipads ?
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: nah, that'd be more merciful, doesn't need a keyboard...
mircea_popescu: am i a truly miserable character if the sufferances of the young wethers in my own party actually amuse me ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: sometimes people just like to cuddle << you ever try telling this to a shawty who just wanna fuck? doesn't go over well.
ascii_butugychag: the desk isn't even small. but the laptop and two hanging lcd occupy almost all of the width
assbot: The Hard Fork Missile Crisis | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1SmzVIg )
thestringpuller: what's so lulzy? that Gavin and Hearn tried to build a nuke and failed miserably like best korea. (where their solution to rockets is having 1000 north koreans fling the bomb over the ocean)
mircea_popescu: Mircea is free to attack the coming upgrade. He will fail, because "Bitcoin is not a reflection of Mircea's hopes and aspirations, but a check on them."
mircea_popescu: derps on a first name basis with me. perhaps on account of my having fucked their mothers or something, no idea.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00050219 = 1.7326 BTC [+]
ascii_butugychag: so ben_vulpes why does xcode take multiple minutes to load a 37 byte 'xml' turd
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: It seems we are living in your Pointless and Witless hypothetical. That story didn't have a happy ending tho.
mircea_popescu: !up GoonClooney
mircea_popescu: didn't have an ending at all, mind.
thestringpuller: well pointless wasn't left with much optimism just, "Eventually I will lose to the witless."
mircea_popescu: that's not act6ually what it says.
thestringpuller: "Pointless : I guess sooner or later I'll lose, because idiocy has infinite hitpoints."
thestringpuller: I'm misinterpreting it then.
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371019 ha! and i wondered what model these pesky keys in eulora follow
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 10:50:59; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370682 << you would think that the fucking idiots making handcuffs would have figured out the importance of all using the same key. but no : everyone uses ever-so-slightly-different plain, rectangular shits. and so because i have a bunch of various cuffs and because ending up unable to free a girl happened exactly once... i'm stuck carrying around a fuc
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it could just as well be dude watching an insect burner thing going "i guess eventuallt it'll fill up"
mircea_popescu: jurov zing lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00050387 = 2.0155 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371212 << Apparently pcengines is coming out with an APU2 board soon
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 15:51:50; ascii_butugychag: 'pcengines' makes a cheaper and physically more compact box with AMD chipset, of same horsepower
ascii_butugychag: BingoBoingo: out for years ?
BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: No, just next iteration
ascii_butugychag: the pce apu is actually my favourite amd64 box of all time
ascii_butugychag: only marred by the soldered-down non-ecc ram
ascii_butugychag: but they actually publish schematics. you could even have your own made, somewhere.
ascii_butugychag: i don't know of any other mobo vendor which does this.
assbot: SPHINCS:Introduction ... ( http://bit.ly/1OTG9wS )
trinque: "By saying "eliminate the state" we are advocating a security improvement, namely adopting signature schemes that do not need to record information after every signature. We are not talking about eliminating other types of states. We love most states, especially yours!" << oh god
trinque tries to find that picture of guy with american flag planted in his ass, can't
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00050198 = 1.5059 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: How the social engineering sausage is made
assbot: The ugly truth: Bitcoin is doomed and needs to be replaced : ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1OTISGB )
assbot: China to Start Yuan-Based Gold Price Fix in April: Game Changer? - Gold Stock Bull ... ( http://bit.ly/1OTIVCf )
BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: I only found out about the APU2 because openbsd-misc has people occasionally derping about the unfinished firmware on the new one
ascii_butugychag: BingoBoingo: amd publishes the chip docs, you're welcome to finish it personally...
BingoBoingo: Seems the finishing is largegly being 'crowdsourced' but moves to quad core AMD kaveri chip if I recal correctly
mircea_popescu: trinque eliminating the wrong kind of state.
BingoBoingo: ;;google apu2 beta
gribble: PC-Engines APU2 | ServeTheHome and ServeThe.Biz Forums: <https://forums.servethehome.com/index.php?threads/pc-engines-apu2.7269/>; APU2 LED1-3 & Button Switch: Does anyone success on this?? - PC ...: <http://www.pcengines.info/forums/?page=post&id=04F626C8-2589-4A60-89DD-43A1ACE70A6E&fid=DF5ACB70-99C4-4C61-AFA6-4C0E0DB05B2A>; PC Engines support forum Home Page: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Have you considered working on your crazy eyes and walking with a hand in your pocket?
mircea_popescu: jurov i have nfi why they imagine this is "discovery"
BingoBoingo amazed even the saner people from Portland seem have shortcomings in their orccraft
mircea_popescu: gold is afaik still illegal to hold for chinese private parties.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 389.8, vol: 29585.42972196 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 391.891, vol: 16993.74283 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 393.67, vol: 85603.52985172 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 400.0, vol: 15.49699301 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 401.85145, vol: 66234.54240000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 394.6899, vol: 389.28134557 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 392.2606, vol: 298.59608725 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 395.66497872
assbot: c++ - How do you use std::system_error with GetLastError? - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1PgiUcd )
BingoBoingo: Ah, this looks like great January correction. Fucking bizzaro history continues.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: what spam
mircea_popescu: that exsees link
mircea_popescu: !up bjezuz
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag then i read it carefully. notice how the whole thing makes no sense and there's actually visible lines where syntactic units were thrown together ?
ascii_butugychag: aha shannonizer
mircea_popescu: "ai", in the sense not of intelligence, but in the sense of "not distinguishable from average human".
ascii_butugychag: ancient tech, at this point
ascii_butugychag: even in spamland
mircea_popescu: this is better than most.
mircea_popescu: notice how high ranked the acct is in the site's own terms.
assbot: User Mooing Duck - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1PgjsPj )
mircea_popescu: that's more than wikipedia spammers such as yourself accomplish!
ascii_butugychag: quite likely it is an 'imperium in imperio' upvote clique, elementarily
mircea_popescu: Compliments:
mircea_popescu: ThePhD: "To this day, MooingDuck has probably been the most helpful lounge person I've come across."
mircea_popescu: Dzek Trek: "@MooingDuck is the best teacher here. He explains everything in the way that just listeners want to hear."
mircea_popescu: Dan: You explain things fully and in a way that just makes sense to me.
mircea_popescu: notice that the [no doubt actual] google software engineer behind the crapolade is deeply aware of what the holes in the levies are.
ben_vulpes: ascii_butugychag: how would i know, i'm just a human compiler
ascii_butugychag: and i'm not seeing any obvious spamola in duck's other posts
ascii_butugychag: possibly 'paste fail' ?
mircea_popescu: because people go around with links to that in their pastes ?
assbot: The static keyword and its various uses in C++ - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1OTLAMi )
ascii_butugychag: looks like a perfectly legit summary
assbot: c++ - How to implement an STL-style iterator and avoid common pitfalls? - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1OTLHY5 )
mircea_popescu: all come up for a strict search for "static variables exist for the "lifetime" of the translation unit that it's defined in, and:"
ascii_butugychag: if thing is a bot which cribs from www, it is a pretty good one
mircea_popescu: kinda what the original point was yes,
mircea_popescu: rather good "ai"
mircea_popescu enjoys an immense inflow of pesos now that btc has dropped a little, because hey, local idjits price by medieval methods.
ascii_butugychag: still seems like it could easily be a prolific and plagiaristic (e.g., east asian) human
mircea_popescu: ie, spread = volatility *2 + 15% or some shit.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag kinda the point innit.
ascii_butugychag: mechanized coolie aha.
mircea_popescu: the "reddit experiment" is in full swing, even WE can't distinguish anymore.
ascii_butugychag: !s dead souls
assbot: 19 results for 'dead souls' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dead+souls
mircea_popescu: what change's a webified ustardian "computer science major" got.
ascii_butugychag: orlov may not even have understood the full implications of his lulzpiece
ascii_butugychag: but the tardatron is genuinely obsessed with making convincing faux ~lusers~
ascii_butugychag: because the real thing has various undesirable properties
ascii_butugychag: (fickleness, occupying physical space, needing food, etc)
ascii_butugychag: and for a great many purposes, spambots are at least as good as 'people'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2284 @ 0.00050524 = 1.154 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: actually, for all purposes. there is no sense in which a spambot is not a better "people" than a us citizen today.
ascii_butugychag: well, certain ceremonies still require warm bodies, but this is being worked on
mircea_popescu does not honestly believe items not in the republic are in any sense human.
ascii_butugychag: and they are largely anachronisms anyway (e.g., vote)
mircea_popescu: vote is electronic now neh ?
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: semi-electronic
mircea_popescu: * mircea_popescu does not honestly believe items not in the republic are in any sense human. << this, incidentally, why the write on tits is so important.
ascii_butugychag: but as of the 2004 election, there is NOT A PERMA-RECORD of particular votes
ascii_butugychag: that was more or less the end of the pretense
mircea_popescu: well, the pretense nigh on embarassed teh bushdom.
ascii_butugychag: i was, in those days, a foolish student, and actually went and picketed 'your vote doesn't count! literally!'
ascii_butugychag: 'diebold voted'
mircea_popescu: but you forget, ustardian doesn't want his "vote to count". he wants the ebt to keep showing up.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: or his lockheed salary, aha
mircea_popescu: also ebt.
ascii_butugychag: but in point of fact there is no 'honest work' going on anywhere in usa, with possible exception of mafia hits etc
ascii_butugychag: ~everybody~ is in some way plugged in.
mircea_popescu: from what i hear mafia's pretty much a joke for years now
ascii_butugychag: well mexican narco or whatever is current
mircea_popescu: those, yes.
ascii_butugychag: i've never even personally sat more than 2 or so hops away from usg, payola-wise
ascii_butugychag: usa had 'palace economy' for my entire adult life
ascii_butugychag: like the inca empire.
mircea_popescu: and to think your parents moved specifically to avoid this fate for you.
ascii_butugychag: not precisely
ascii_butugychag: moved because richer inca here than there
mircea_popescu: ah i see. with romanians it was a big deal "i want my kids to grow up free"
ascii_butugychag: by '92 it was pretty clear what 'phreeee' meant for most folks
mircea_popescu: lord almighty, is there no end of waitresses whose real passion is photography/music/blabla ?!
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: what kind of answer do you expect them to give ? 'my real passion is mixing cement'
mircea_popescu: sometimes the only winning move is not to play.
ascii_butugychag: then why did mircea_popescu go to the playing room
ascii_butugychag: of course it is full of folks playing.
mircea_popescu: lol. i prolly should share this one, a sec.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00050664 = 2.0772 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: incidentally : it seems my account on okcupid was briefly banned this monring, judging by how the script croaked
mircea_popescu: and by the apology letter in my inbox.
mircea_popescu: anyone ever heard of something like this befoar ?!
ascii_butugychag last saw okc more than a decade ago
mircea_popescu: also student ?
ascii_butugychag: it was a lulzy timewaster
ascii_butugychag: the character quiz thing, etc
mircea_popescu: quite. mechanized lulzextraction.
ascii_butugychag: (does it still have the 'what type of creature are you' thing?)
mircea_popescu: i see it through lynx eyes
mircea_popescu: and some cat.
ascii_butugychag: lynx happens to be my favourite felid
mircea_popescu: not moiety whatever that was ?
ascii_butugychag: manul is pretty but not man-eating
BingoBoingo: <ascii_butugychag> manul is pretty but not man-eating << yet
ascii_butugychag: and 168 of what?
mircea_popescu: of heights.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> anyone ever heard of something like this befoar ?! << Not unheard of
mircea_popescu: ah ok then.
mircea_popescu: anyway, ascii_butugychag point being : mechanized sorting of the playing innocents is, after all, an economic activity.
BingoBoingo: Prolly pissed some users off and they flagged you and got autobanned with a manual overturn of ban
mircea_popescu: i guess ima pay em a few dollah then.
mircea_popescu: pour encourager les autres.
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: i got an entire night of sleep last night << as chetty told me: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=401
deedbot-: [Qntra] First Mass Walmart Closure - http://qntra.net/2016/01/first-mass-walmart-closure/
BingoBoingo: ^ Bigger news than the Dow sucking ass today
mircea_popescu: this makes so little sense... what'll distribute the iron rats to the trashy plebs ?!
ascii_butugychag: i often wonder, how long would it take me to notice if every single wallmart vanished overnight
mircea_popescu: amazon ?
ascii_butugychag: amazon, sure
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag less than an hour.
thestringpuller: I was literally just told "Buy Wal-Mart stock. Always holds against a recession"
BingoBoingo: Surviving walmart will mircea_popescu just gotta take more bus nao to get to walmart
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: how's that
mircea_popescu: because of the absence of drones everywhere and some smoke in the air.
mircea_popescu: what exactly did you imagine keeps the semblance of a "palace" standing up ?
mircea_popescu: they stress-tested this once, delayed ebt almost a whole weekend.
mircea_popescu: thing nearly fell apart.
ascii_butugychag: mega-s33kr1t for mircea_popescu: ebt etc. work at places other than l0lmart
mircea_popescu: you understand how stress propagates right ?
ascii_butugychag: this, yes
mircea_popescu: if this didn't exist, the whole "i didn't spend 50 bux to fix my car two weeks ago so i gotta pay 1100 today" thing wouldn't exist.
ascii_butugychag: cascaded failure is the rule, rather than exception
ascii_butugychag: if this were not so, it would be quite difficult to die
mircea_popescu: so without free shelf-stable cheese dispensaries... someone's gonna have problems.
ascii_butugychag: could fight on like the knight in monty python
ascii_butugychag feels physically ill recalling the mere existence of the 'shelf-stable cheese' thing
mircea_popescu: ok, another riddle for the ages: wtf is with all the chicks having much better looking chicks in their profile pics ?
mircea_popescu: they ever-so-carefully avoid showing how fat they are. on one hand. and on the other...
ascii_butugychag: same thing as with job candidates having much better looking biographies in their cv ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ok, another riddle for the ages: wtf is with all the chicks having much better looking chicks in their profile pics ? << 'Catfishing" or more accurately 'fatfishing'
mircea_popescu: nono, i mean with them.
mircea_popescu: and they never say "i'm the ugly one" either. or you know, "the short boring looking one". it's always "i'm the one in the right
mircea_popescu: i mean, taking pic with mom i can see, serious psychological disturbances.
mircea_popescu: but... what fucking female doesn't understand you find some UGLIER friends to wing for you ?!
ascii_butugychag: possibly they actually think 'the light of the beauty' illuminates them ?
ascii_butugychag: when standing next to
mircea_popescu: this is on par with imagining periods will make them feel good.
ascii_butugychag: wai wut?!
mircea_popescu: "i feel like my ovaries are floating in rainbow"
ascii_butugychag: who imagines this
mircea_popescu: exactly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3509 @ 0.00050156 = 1.76 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ahahaah there;'s such a thinkg as hicksville, ny.
BingoBoingo: !up PeterL
mircea_popescu: holy shit the stuff poor PeterL is running into
mircea_popescu: PeterL looks like you don't have openssh ?
mircea_popescu: openssl*
PeterL: I thought it built that earlier in the script?
ascii_butugychag: PeterL: have you considered something like a human os ?
PeterL: in my folder i am building in there is a directory "openssl-1.0.1g"
PeterL: human os?
ascii_butugychag: well you are clearly on some heathen abomination
PeterL: xubuntu
PeterL: just trying to follow directions on trb website
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag srsly nao. this thing is supposed to build.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: not for nintendo. unless and until i port it to nintendo.
ascii_butugychag: (or mircea_popescu or somebody)
mircea_popescu: PeterL is the openssl dir in the paths correctly ?
PeterL: which paths?
mircea_popescu: mmm im not too fresh on this but somewhere in the script it's told where to find the things it needs,
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2591 @ 0.00050073 = 1.2974 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: and since it's looking for openssl/buffer.h as opposed to openssl-1.0.1g/buffer.h i'd guess it's lost
PeterL: I see a line "OPENSSL=openssl-1.0.1g" in the script, is that it?
mircea_popescu: that should do it.
mircea_popescu: ok that's not it, does the file it wants actually exist on your system ? can you find it ?
mircea_popescu: (is it a ridiculous mishap such as results sometimes from manual archive manipulation where you have openssl-1.0.1g/openssl-1.0.1g/blabla ?)
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 393453 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 1682 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 5 hours, 51 minutes, and 29 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mod6: PeterL: hi, are you using the v99997 build script?
PeterL: yes
PeterL: oh, wait, is that the same one linked on trb website?
mod6: did you try to run this script more than one time?
PeterL: umm, yes
mod6: no, i don't think it's linked. it's not 'official' at this point -- just a thing I put together to build the full orchastra and pull & press src with V.
mod6: ok, so trying to run that script more than once might cause some pain.
assbot: [BTC-dev] UPDATED v0.0.5: Patching The Reference Implementation: AGuide ... ( http://bit.ly/1PjMQbV )
mod6: i'd try creating a new dir somewhere, putting the build script in the new dir, and then running it again.
ascii_butugychag: aaaancient history
ascii_butugychag: imho everybody oughta be using v build at this point
mod6: oh yeah. that's very old. lemme dig up the latest one.
PeterL: I guess I am just not sure how to get v to build it once I have v?
mod6: so, V doesn't actually do any building at all.
PeterL: ok, I used v to get the source, then what do i do with the source to build it?
mod6: it just pulls down the vpatches, and inflates the source tree from zero.
mod6: <+PeterL> ok, I used v to get the source, then what do i do with the source to build it? << the latest build script will do all of this for you ~except~ creating your ~/.wot directory with the appropriatly named keys placed in the directory.
mod6: you need buildroot+everything to build the static binary.
PeterL: which one is the latest build script?
mod6 is still digging in the logs.
mod6: one sec.
mod6: is there a way to search the deeds in deedbot?
PeterL: google site:deedbot.org searchstring ?
mod6: thanks, couldn't find it on deedbot though
mod6: but this is the one
mod6: and... like i said, create a new dir, drop this script in there and run it -- but be aware that if left unchanged from the original, it'll not build alf's latest two patches in when pressing the source out.
mod6: !up PeterL
mod6: if you want it to do so, you'll need to edit this line:
mod6: ./v.pl p verbose TEST2 asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option.vpatch
mod6: and change it to this:
mircea_popescu: oh he's uysing a 9month old script. doh.
mod6: ./v.pl p verbose TEST2 asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring.vpatch
PeterL: maybe the website could include a note to not use that script? or just take it off the front page?
mod6: my apologies. what exists on the website is meant to help someone build v0.5.3.1 -- the rest of this stuff is basically as-of-yet-unreleased.
mod6: trying to get there... just a zillion things to work on :(
mircea_popescu: poor mod6
PeterL: no problem, i understand
BingoBoingo: Prolly ought to get out a 0.5.4 relase tagged, since... that database fix is necessary
ascii_butugychag: yeah the old tree is close to useless
BingoBoingo: I mean... unless we plan a future reorg back to August 2015...
BingoBoingo: !up copumpkin
BingoBoingo: Thanks to V there's no serious need to tag anything beyond the BDB fix in a release, but... Gotta tag something useful as the recommended
PeterL: does v have to be in the same directory as the buildscript?
PeterL: I tried to run the script, it just says ": invalid option"
BingoBoingo: !up PeterL
mod6: getting it resolved... he's on a i686 env.
mod6: ben_vulpes: so yah, having the keys on blogs/homepages isn't a bad idea.
mod6: but... maybe it'd be useful to put the links to our exported, ascii armored keys in the assets wiki?
mod6: that way when someone wants to get going with V, they can find the keys without having to dig through 6 blogs.
mod6: and additionally, this cuts out SKS.
mod6: my key can be found here; http://mod6.net/mod6.asc
ascii_butugychag: !s pressed cd
assbot: 6 results for 'pressed cd' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pressed+cd
mod6: ah
mod6: ;;later tell PeterL Sorry, just missed you there. Thanks for your patience and efforts to build! We'll get through it.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Looks like axe time approaches https://archive.is/dFk4F
assbot: BitFuryGroup is ready to move forward and support 2MB increase with Bitcoin Classic : btc ... ( http://bit.ly/1OU0Rg3 )
punkman: that's not good
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: KNC miner also committed as well.
BingoBoingo: You got to understand the fiat orchestra is coming together
thestringpuller: the shitgnome symphony orchestra
mircea_popescu: <mod6> my key can be found here; http://mod6.net/mod6.asc << my key's also been on my blog forever now.
mircea_popescu: what exactly do miner producers have to do with this discussion ?
mircea_popescu: "That puts over 50% of the hash rate behind Bitcoin Classic, consensus has been achieved."
mircea_popescu: lol reddit.
mircea_popescu: "A few hardcore small-blockians might actually delay their switch, because the level of anger from that nasty group will be unimaginable, when their beloved developers betray them like this. Popescu alone will probably have a heart attack :)"
mircea_popescu: mno, i will simply be staying with bitcoin. as aformentioned, good riddance.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00050864 = 1.5259 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: lol coinbase doesn't let people buy anymore? :D
BingoBoingo: But it's easy to see how this plays out. Hearn agenda fails and he loudly quits. Derps knee jerk sold on Hearn agenda which is still a pile of fail
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> lol coinbase doesn't let people buy anymore? :D << not today
mircea_popescu: yeaya, im sure that's how things go.
BingoBoingo: But yes, fiat media was all ready to run on hearn's "Bitcoin dead" and loyal USG exchanges ready to prevent buying to fire the broomstick one last time
assbot: Mike Hearn's latest blog post was a strategic move by R3 to influence the industry : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1OU3YVg )
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: it's ashame they underestimate the enemy. when reality sets in the classic, "No one saw this coming!!!111" will echo throughout the chambers.
mircea_popescu: eh that's ok, im sure it'll never have happened.
mircea_popescu: just like xt etc.
mircea_popescu: all that hard work trying to select a marginally defensible epithet and coming up with "classic"...
BingoBoingo: The only material difference between XT and "classic" is "classic" has a vague chance of triggering the crisis. XT never had a chance. Not in this or any other hell.
mircea_popescu: amusingly... they don't even have 1/3 of the "public support"/astroturf of xt ?
mircea_popescu: da fuck is this limp dick shit lmao.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> da fuck is this limp dick shit lmao. << This time they skipped the astroturf to just do the VC dollar squeeze
mircea_popescu: so the derps are going to control 5bn worth of usg poison with some idle promises for maybe 30-50mn theoretical and in fact a few thouysand here and there ?
mircea_popescu: what is this, usg's wet dream ? go sink a chinese aircraft carrier, yo.
BingoBoingo: !up irdial
BingoBoingo: irdial: See the line here titled register. You are in gribble wot, but not assbot wot yet http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
assbot: irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q3G8FJ )
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $700 before Apr 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1236/bitcoin-to-top-700-before-apr-2016/#b32
irdial: !register 5E16D36EDB3240F9
assbot: That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint.
BingoBoingo: irdial: Full fingerprint
BingoBoingo: !up gernika
gernika: thx BingoBoingo. Curious what's the deal with coinbase? I just bought some btc there like 1 hr ago...
BingoBoingo: gernika: Well, they are having a lot of "service interruptions" today
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00050695 = 3.3459 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: Has the Bitcoin hit your own wallet yet or is it still in Coinbase?
gernika: saw something on reddit where some guy said he couldn't buy
gernika: No - never hits my wallet until a week after I buy, which is normal.
gernika: for coinbase
gernika: er couldn't sell
gernika: And no I don't keep more than a pittance in the wallet at any time.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3298 @ 0.00050615 = 1.6693 BTC [-] {2}
irdial: !register E930 6C6E 1CCE 5697 A88B 5482 5E16 D36E DB32 40F9
assbot: That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint.
deedbot-: [Qntra] Robocoin/Romit Follows Hearn Out - http://qntra.net/2016/01/robocoinromit-follows-hearn-out/
irdial: !register E9306C6E1CCE5697A88B54825E16D36EDB3240F9
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: E9306C6E1CCE5697A88B54825E16D36EDB3240F9. This may take a few moments.
assbot: Key DB3240F9 / "Irdial-Discs <irdial@irdial.com>" successfully imported.
assbot: Registration successful.
gernika: Would prefer not to use coinbase any longer, but no "exchange" is any better, and bitcoin-otc is dead.
ascii_butugychag: i even used it once !
ascii_butugychag: in fact, the only time i bought coin since... gox
jurov: !gettrust jurov gernika
assbot: Trust relationship from user jurov to user gernika: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=jurov&to=gernika | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/gernika/
ascii_butugychag: it worked about as well as 'golden age' gox
ascii_butugychag: grudgingly spat forth some coin
gernika: ascii_butugychag: otc?
jurov: gernika i am selling btc via transferwise, so far works well
BingoBoingo: irdial: ty, now you can !up yourself in channel and if you wish you may drop an dpaste encrypted to my public key here for consideration for qntra publication
ascii_butugychag: i was never able to get anything useful whatsoever from otc
jurov: (not big volume tho)
gernika: jurov: will check it out
BingoBoingo: irdial: If something you submit does get published you talk to jurov about collecting your shares. Thank you for your patience.
gernika: ascii_butugychag: I've done a few small transactions on otc. All went smoothly.
gernika: But since the bot went down, haven't used it.
BingoBoingo: !up irdial
irdial: BingoBongo Thatnk you for helping me.
BingoBoingo: irdial: No problem. Just please !up yourself to make sure you have the process for doing so down.
irdial: !up
irdial: !up irdial
jurov: irdial you're up already, i'll devoice you first, then retry
jurov: !down irdial
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00050942 = 1.6556 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: irdial oh and talk to assbot in pm, not here
ascii_butugychag: 'If you noticed, yesterday at the Hutchins Center, they had a very important meeting comprised of 15 or so people. They included 6-8 members from the Federal Reserve, R3 members, Bitcoin industry members, and also individuals from greater finance. When the R3 guy was speaking, https://youtu.be/R0iArSIU0Z8?t=47m16s , he was saying "I don't know what time it is, but any minute now there will
assbot: Beyond Bitcoin: Morning Webcast Session - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbZ7Qk )
ascii_butugychag: be a New York Times article saying Mike Hearn broke up with Bitcoin and called it a failed experiment."' << l0l
gernika: "When one of the most important people in Bitcoin states something like that you have to listen." http://avc.com/2016/01/bitcoin-is-dead-long-live-bitcoin/
assbot: Bitcoin Is Dead, Long Live Bitcoin – AVC ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbZn1N )
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, would help if someone gave him a rating first :p
BingoBoingo: !rate irdial 1 loud
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/e90b93be43ae09f0
jurov: lol you did not?
BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.irdial.1:fea0f97f18bed88a3642c4a450d4595eca0ea2591c2f4557fae869882916da7c
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for irdial with note: loud
BingoBoingo: jurov: forgot too
danielpbarron: i think i tried to give him a -1 a while back but couldn't because he was in the wrong WoT
BingoBoingo: irdial: Pls try to up self again
assbot: Logged on 04-02-2015 09:56:00; danielpbarron: wanted to do this -> !rate irdial -2 UnSavory Garnish http://twitter.com/beautyon_/status/562908880511201280
BingoBoingo: !up irdial
assbot: Why Bitcoin's Decentralization Matters · BlueMatt's Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1UVLB2r )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2831 @ 0.0005033 = 1.4248 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00050943 = 9.6792 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00050943 = 1.1717 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00050943 = 7.6924 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !rate irdial 1 new blood
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8522aded55a732a2
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.irdial.1:857be4f2206704b1b9b80f466b11a034fafdce66794f1e3a414e7b592b941e57
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for irdial with note: new blood
mircea_popescu: " While the introduction of the FDIC and similar programs decentralized trust in financial institutions from one party to two, transactions in much of the world do not offer such protections. Even with such programs, individuals are not universally protected from loss across borders and over certain value."
mircea_popescu: da fuck.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9138 @ 0.00050943 = 4.6552 BTC [+] {3}
thestringpuller: how does the FDIC decentralize trust
thestringpuller: it's like "daddy i got robbed can I have more money plz" "sure honey lemme just start up my printer"
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 367.62, Best ask: 367.78, Bid-ask spread: 0.16000, Last trade: 367.57, 24 hour volume: 128368.49364011, 24 hour low: 357.02, 24 hour high: 428.92, 24 hour vwap: None
mircea_popescu: in fact the fdic centralized banking to an unsanitary degree.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2535 @ 0.00050943 = 1.2914 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00050869 = 8.1645 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33326 @ 0.00050943 = 16.9773 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Anyone want this week's wall street lolz?
mircea_popescu: lol 35k sold and we're not even at november levels ? this is pitiful.
shinohai: O.o Bundy supporter arrested!
mircea_popescu: instacorrections and errything.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: I gotta go to my Friday meeting soon. Somebody look into and mebbe write it up?
assbot: Protester arrested in Burns, accused of driving stolen refuge vehicle | OregonLive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q3Vqdo )
mircea_popescu: shinohai wasn't that yesterday ?
mircea_popescu: !up locksley
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00050943 = 9.0679 BTC [+]
shinohai: first i had seen o f it weird
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3597 @ 0.00050531 = 1.8176 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3003 @ 0.00050478 = 1.5159 BTC [-]
assbot: Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeJp6j )
mircea_popescu: this is good for bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: /therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/ << how come this wasn't 0.99.99.99 anyway ?
danielpbarron: shinohai> MaidSafe: http.. << I met her at porcfest
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00050943 = 5.4509 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i left the original format string intact
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but you can trivially set it to whatever
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i only see 5 ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: One got rebooted
shinohai: lol danielpbarron
shinohai: sorry I couldn't resist
danielpbarron: sorry for what?
shinohai: porkfest?
shinohai: !s maidsafe
assbot: 91 results for 'maidsafe' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=maidsafe
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: To be fair #6 is a ways from sync'ing
asciilifeform: am i the only one who thinks of... chastity belt, when reads 'maidsafe'
BingoBoingo: not anymore
BingoBoingo: brb, meeting
mircea_popescu: i can't recall wtf that shartup was supposed to be doing anyway
mircea_popescu: other than getting random derps to self-importantly all over themselves at "conferences" and other pleb gatherings.
danielpbarron: cloud storage on a blockchain or something
asciilifeform: the thing-these-supposedly-are is usually an afterthought
asciilifeform: apparently the mere promise of 'this is the next thing' is sufficient scambait for avaricious idiots
asciilifeform: (for instance, i still don't really know what neobee supposedly was to have done)
asciilifeform: but apparently this aspect is not essential..
mircea_popescu: brick and mortar!!11
mircea_popescu: apparently overhead is now a selling point. somehow.
mircea_popescu: im sitting here chuckling privately over that roamning mode ssh thing.
mircea_popescu: fucking lulzy software.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do we have a name yet ?
asciilifeform: (though in this case, it is likely to be names - plural)
asciilifeform: and, the mega-question
asciilifeform: ... was it one of the numerous scurrying vermin theo allows himself to be surrounded by?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00050454 = 5.449 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14337 @ 0.00050382 = 7.2233 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00050283 = 4.1232 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14732 @ 0.00050682 = 7.4665 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 369.03, Best ask: 369.1, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 369.1, 24 hour volume: 136230.01105651, 24 hour low: 357.02, 24 hour high: 423.29, 24 hour vwap: None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00050943 = 2.3434 BTC [+]
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.50000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $800 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1233/bitcoin-to-top-800-before-jul-2016/#b30
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b73
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00050942 = 3.1075 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00049671 = 4.9919 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3383 @ 0.00050078 = 1.6941 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4901 @ 0.00050079 = 2.4544 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00050563 = 6.826 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: tevye update : synced, 16 connex, 825 mb memory, 333 mb vswap in use.
mod6: ^5
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 00:26:39; shinohai: MaidSafe: http://i.imgur.com/zzTxIsF.jpg?1
assbot: The Brokenness of MaidSafe | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1RrkRW7 )
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 01:00:35; BingoBoingo: https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99 << 6!
pete_dushenski: mod6: not 6 ?
mod6: haha
mod6: ^6 it is then
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 12:12:28; mircea_popescu: my 3 week old node is at 332425
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 12:11:09; shinohai: 3 months? Running for first time with -verifyall
pete_dushenski: mebbe i'm missing something here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00050583 = 1.2646 BTC [+] {3}
mod6: iirc, to fully sync a node /before/ -verifyall or orphanage burner were even a thing, took me ~8-10 days on a medium sized AWS server. now its a bit longer with those two in play.
pete_dushenski: nuts. i didn't think my vm was anything special, but it was less than a week to fully sync up 99997k
pete_dushenski: in other nyooz, "Apple Inc said it will soon start charging for iTunes Radio, its music-streaming service that competes with Pandora Media Inc."
pete_dushenski: so apple can buy russia (tm) (r) but still has to nickel and dime the poor users of its shrinking sandboxes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39250 @ 0.000496 = 19.468 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> ... was it one of the numerous scurrying vermin theo allows himself to be surrounded by? << hard to tell. derpy oversight ? who knows.
BingoBoingo has yet to see drama overflow into openbsd-misc so dunno where it is happening
assbot: outrageous roaming fees ... ( http://bit.ly/1JQ8Nyo )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13493 @ 0.00050262 = 6.7819 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00050657 = 2.9888 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2406 @ 0.00050658 = 1.2188 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Quantrill is at block 134118 beginning to feel some CPU constraints
pete_dushenski: why not take it off 8333 until synced ?
BingoBoingo: Because what other ports should it have open?
pete_dushenski not the right guy to answer this
BingoBoingo: Anyways provided Joe's people provided accurate accounting for the wares they are leasing processor in box is "Opteron 170" so not the newest bos in the world
pete_dushenski: "Only a passing mention of the post-Google salary he was drawing from United States Government security agency linked venture capital firm Andreessen1 Horowitz was offered by Popper." << reads funny. maybe missing a hyphen, or a comma, or needs a new ordering or something.
pete_dushenski: "Blockchain handling databased changed to LevelDB" << database
pete_dushenski: "itz was offered by Popper. The focus of Popper's piece is" << also, switch of tenses in same paragraph
mircea_popescu: yeah that spaghetti needs untangling.
mircea_popescu: you and your yurpean prosody bb, what do you think, you're italian now ?
BingoBoingo: I honestly have no idea
pete_dushenski: bbias. have to move car underground. it's going to be -33c overnight...
mircea_popescu: popper nearly forgot to mention that his employer these days is USG agency AH or something.
mircea_popescu: and incidentally : by now you've got a tell of prime order in this wordiness business. i see you can't get something out in less than eight complements i know you're not altogether happy with it. the thing is - consider cutting it out altogether if that's the case.
mircea_popescu: not like there's such a shortage of bitchslapping you're stuck using the whole chicken, feathers and all.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14093 @ 0.00050658 = 7.1392 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00050775 = 5.8137 BTC [+] {3}
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> Because what other ports should it have open? << you should only open incoming port 8333 when you want people to connect to your node to sync ~from you~
mod6: <+pete_dushenski> bbias. have to move car underground. it's going to be -33c overnight... << -27.4 F, yep, that'll chill ya out. makes for pretty hard & fast ice tho. so there's the upside there.
mod6: who's up to speed on DER?
mod6: I've made a patch to remove high-S, added in patch, recompiled, restarted bitcoind and then sent a tx. here's what I'm looking at from a dumpblock of that tx:
mod6: I think I've got those R & S values picked out correctly, right? Anyone have any thoughts on this?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2635 @ 0.00050446 = 1.3293 BTC [-] {2}
pete_dushenski: mod6: these kinds of temps do indeed make for excellent ice. and though it's a bit brisk for du patinage, the ice on whyte festival is on this weekend just down the street from my place (https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=ice%20on%20whyte), for which it's -30c for every second year and +5c on the alternates. i'll bundle up and take it this way. it's sorta sad to watch the ice sculptures melting.
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