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mircea_popescu: "old crows", used to be a thing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00051584 = 11.1937 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up idkwhat2dowithmy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37909 @ 0.00051203 = 19.4105 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00050684 = 3.1171 BTC [-]
idkwhat2dowithmy: Thank you mircea, I've been reading qntra and thought I'd pop in here
BingoBoingo almost has build machine back together to resume V-enture
BingoBoingo: V-enture seems to have worked
BingoBoingo: atm rescanning an ancient wallet to see if anything is there. Hopefully datacenter gets back to me tomorrow about dedi-box, which is practice for colo-box
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26287 @ 0.00050796 = 13.3527 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13682 @ 0.00050796 = 6.9499 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35150 @ 0.00050484 = 17.7451 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00049927 = 16.8753 BTC [-] {2}
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.15378746 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b71
BingoBoingo: That trump bet's looking like it could make it to 100 BTC
BingoBoingo: !t m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.000111 / 0.000111 / 0.000111 (530 shares, 0.06 BTC), 30D: 0.0001 / 0.0001184 / 0.00013 (2930 shares, 0.35 BTC)
BingoBoingo: trb behaving as expected so far, no forgetten gold in the wallet.dat yet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9636 @ 0.00051059 = 4.92 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00051309 = 18.1121 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18936 @ 0.0005155 = 9.7615 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15617 @ 0.0005118 = 7.9928 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7621 @ 0.00050253 = 3.8298 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00050253 = 1.5578 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00050179 = 10.939 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Suspected ISIS attacks in Jakarta — RT News ... ( http://bit.ly/231amAd )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00051 = 8.976 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: punkman the whole thing of even having black people in star wars. seriously ? the retcon of all time.
mircea_popescu: "oh black people always existed, we just didn't film any back in the 60s."
fluffypony: Billy Dee Williams (who played Lando Calrissian) was in Empire Strikes Back and in Return of the Jedi
fluffypony: and he's black as night
shinohai: ;;blocks
gribble: 393287
mircea_popescu: so the retcon forks off episode V rather than episode I ? or wait... actually this franchise starts midway does it ?
mircea_popescu: i guess that's what i get for commenting on stuff i never bothered to actually see.
shinohai: I skipped the Jar-Jar awfulness. I have seen first 3 movies and the latest
mircea_popescu: mmkay so : Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope being the 1977 & first release of the thing, has no black people in it. does it ?
shinohai: I don't recall. Don't think so unless it is a background character.
mircea_popescu: "Star Wars was released theatrically in the United States on May 25, 1977. It earned $461 million in the US and $314 million overseas, totaling $775 million. It surpassed Jaws (1975) to become the highest-grossing film of all time; its gross was later surpassed by that of E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (1982). When adjusted for inflation as of 2013" << check it out, there was inflation since the 80s ?!
fluffypony: it kinda did
fluffypony: David Prowse was black
mircea_popescu: ah did it ? alrighty then.
fluffypony: but I doubt many people knew it
mircea_popescu: why the fuck do these people still bitch about it then ?!
fluffypony: I mean James Earl Jones, not David Prowse
fluffypony: and in the prequels there was Samuel L Jackson
mircea_popescu has no idea who any of these people are, googles the latter, he looks about as black as wesley snipes wtf.
shinohai: But alas, James Earl Jones was but a voice, underneath they still made vadar a wrinkly old white guy.
mircea_popescu: voice actor
fluffypony: yeah, that's why I said I doubt many people knew that Darth Vader's voice was a black guy
mircea_popescu: i dun think it would have "count"-ed for the same people.
shinohai: Samuel L Jackson kills in th the new Hateful Eight movie.
fluffypony: I guess the running joke is that most of the films only had 1 (visible) black actor/actress
mircea_popescu: eh, his best work is pulp fiction.
fluffypony: but they had a bunch of aliens, so it's a dumb argument
fluffypony: "there weren't enough Gungans in the original trilogy!"
fluffypony: #GunganLivesMatter
shinohai: I liked Four Rooms, but that was only co-produced.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony well moreover it's only relevant in the sense of fan service commentary. "oh, really, it just so happened all your bridge bunnies were 180 and freshly laid off the siegfried follies ? fancy that coincidence into the future!"
punkman: episode 4 had one black person, then the added a bunch more in 5 and 6
mircea_popescu: "oh, you made a movie in 2010 and there's a buncha black dudes in it ? how considerate of you, where were you in 1952!"
fluffypony: punkman: Lando Calrissian was the only memorable on-screen black character, tho
fluffypony: but in a movie where a small green hobbit-creature is a major star, I don't know if that counts
mircea_popescu: he looks spanish
fluffypony: to a South African most "African Americans" look mixed-race
shinohai: Moorish
punkman: fluffypony: much more than Samuel L. Jackson
mircea_popescu: shinohai yeah, or i guess brazillian-portuguese.
shinohai: mircea_popescu is right, he would be the perfect space Moor
mircea_popescu: fluffypony that'd be because they are lol.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00050045 = 14.0626 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: saw a proper black dude yest, about 6 feet fifty-eight inches, ebony-black. very pretty.
mircea_popescu tries to recall which west african country was a spanish dominion already.
punkman: Angola?
punkman: actually that's portuguese
punkman: seems the spanish didn't ever go further than the Sahara
shinohai: Casablanca and Morroco are straight - up Spanish tho
mircea_popescu: nono there was one
mircea_popescu: equatorial guinea! there.
mircea_popescu: exactly where these dudes be from.
mircea_popescu: between cameroon and gabon
mircea_popescu: in unrelated news, guy complains about not getting my email, i tell him his shit's probably badly set up, he tells me my shit's prolly blacklisted, i go what the fuck. spend a time googling to see if this can be even tested, turns out it can, i end up on http://www.mail-tester.com/web-WeHDBS which says that i'm perfect except "listed in pyzor".
assbot: Spam Test Result by mail-tester.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1SPTkjX )
mircea_popescu: i do some digging around, it turns out that, get this : https://github.com/SpamExperts/pyzor/issues/39 they list THE FUCKING MESSAGE. so if you ever wondered why the string "123" can't be sent through email, take a motherfucking guess.
assbot: Listed on Pyzor · Issue #39 · SpamExperts/pyzor · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1SPTkAo )
mircea_popescu: who gave imbeciles computers! BE ASHAMED OF YOUR BAYESIAN SELF!
mircea_popescu: (hey, but 123 is a... symbol, right ? it MAKES SENSE to attach meaning to symbols, right ? buncha illiterate louts!)
mircea_popescu: and of course the "service" "has moved" to nowhere and is imported downstream without any sort of sanity checking by unwarrantedly-popular mass market services and on it fucking goes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00050007 = 11.3016 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up Atomicat
Atomicat: mircea_popescu: Hi and thanks
mircea_popescu: yw. who're you ?
Atomicat: Bitcointalk member
jurov: hahahaha
assbot: View the profile of MPOE-PR ... ( http://bit.ly/1SPV0Kk )
Atomicat: Is this your profile on bitcointalk?
mircea_popescu: you're not THAT are you ?!
Atomicat: For a long time I though that's your profile.
mircea_popescu: no, that's hanbot
Atomicat: haha hanbot's idle time: 0d 6h 38m 51s
mircea_popescu: ;;seen hanbot
gribble: hanbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 4 days, 17 hours, 58 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <hanbot> deedbot- http://thewhet.net/han/mpifpc4_122015.txt.asc
Atomicat: MPOE-PR Last Active: December 01, 2014, 11:41:22 PM
mircea_popescu: there is a log, it's searchable, have a ball.
Atomicat: BTW, What's your profile on bitcointalk?
mircea_popescu: i dun have one.
mircea_popescu: !s tardstalk
assbot: 105 results for 'tardstalk' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tardstalk
Atomicat: You own MPEX and don't have a profile on bitcointalk??
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 9.66061887 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - http://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b25
assbot: China is building its first military base in Africa. America should be very nervous. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SPWmVB )
mircea_popescu: heh. usg can't afford to even consider this matter. it "never happened".
punkman: !up PeterL
PeterL: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-01-2016#1367133 << we don't need any hash power to make TRB mining pool, miners bring the has power, we tell them what to mine
assbot: Logged on 12-01-2016 01:10:25; assbot: Logged on 12-01-2016 00:59:53; mircea_popescu: anyway, maybe all this "soft-fork" bullshit is really a good opportunity to start a #b-a mining pool.
mircea_popescu: PeterL im planning to offer a little bonus, but someone DOES have to run the actual pool.
PeterL: item for trilema jobs board?
mircea_popescu: not really. in my mind, trilema jobs board is a sort of "free for all" - items that anyone can pick up. this is only open to l2, really.
PeterL: Atomicat, I used to be active on bitcointalk, but then I found this place. Now I never go there anymore.
mircea_popescu: you don't advertise jobs requiring a clearance in the want ad section of teh newspaper either.
PeterL: good point
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26837 @ 0.00049932 = 13.4003 BTC [-] {2}
shinohai: I only made an account a few days ago during the bitbet brouhaha
shinohai: Other than that every post seems to be whining about "being censored" and sych
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82550 @ 0.00049927 = 41.2147 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up Atomicat
Atomicat: PeterL: What is a TRB mining pool?
mircea_popescu: there's a PR-Bitcoin maintained by the power rangers. there's also the true bitcoin, maintained by the bitcoin foundation ( http://thebitcoin.foundation/ )
assbot: ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZPY9X )
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of non-compliant or vaguely compliant mining pools out there.
mircea_popescu: the idea'd be to have an actually compliant pool, for once.
mircea_popescu: (not that pools are such a bright idea in the first place, but sadly this is a dropped ball we can't so far fix)
Atomicat: mircea_popescu: I have a good programming background and might be interested in running a pool if I can offer something other pools doesn't
mircea_popescu: !up PeterL
mircea_popescu: Atomicat the best avenue for you would be to register in the wot and spend half year or so reading hte logs to get up to speed.
PeterL: Atomicat, it would be a mining pool run using the same rule as TRB (the real bitcoin)
mircea_popescu: !up AndChat-63600
PeterL: iiuc, the current reference implementation of trb does not support pooled mining, so somebody would have to port the current trb ruleset into a mining pool program
Atomicat: mircea_popescu: anyway, maybe all this "soft-fork" bullshit is really a good opportunity to start a #b-a mining pool.
Atomicat: Sorry for asking too many questions but what's a #b-a pool?
PeterL: same thing, different name
mircea_popescu: #b-a is short for #bitcoin-assets
PeterL: #b-a is this group, which is where trb is developed
PeterL: although, somebody outside this group could pick up trb and start their own pool, so I guess it is not exactly the same thing
mircea_popescu: "the differences, while present, are not yet important"
PeterL: #b-a mining pool implies it is run by people within the #b-a WoT, trb pool implies it follows the rules set forth in trb
mircea_popescu: ha! quite.
PeterL: as far as we know, we are the only people using trb?
mircea_popescu: pretty much thinking like a scientist.
mircea_popescu: PeterL this is a public channel. for obvious security reasons trb is a superset thereof.
PeterL: <mircea_popescu> pretty much thinking like a scientist. << is there any other way to think?
Atomicat: I will look into this later today. What are the rules set forth in TRB?
mircea_popescu: Atomicat you wanna look into V and all that.
mircea_popescu: brace yourself, while derps derped on tardstalk etc, a LOT of work went on towards actual bitcoin, and so there's a lot of catch up to do.
PeterL: there is a mailing list, on the website mircea_popescu linked, and most of it is discussed in these logs
Atomicat: V? What's the difference between Bitcoin Core and TRB? Does it use the same blockchain?
thestringpuller: good morning #b-a
mircea_popescu: it does use the same blockchain.
mircea_popescu: v is a signature-based versioning system and other things.
assbot: An historical timeline of The Real Bitcoin (TRB) development, part i. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ok6H8T )
mircea_popescu: it allows you to build software on the basis of patches signed by people you specifically trust.
mircea_popescu: come to think about it... what would you say to "what is v ?" mod6 ? asciilifeform ? anyone else ?
mircea_popescu: twelve words or less.
Atomicat: How do I get a positive trust from someone on this list: http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-lordship-list/? I would really love to !up myself. ;p
assbot: A new Lordship List ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYer1O )
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: do you have contacts for the mining world? last time I checked everyone in that world was some level of scammer.
mircea_popescu: !rate Atomicat 1 New blood
assbot: Atomicat is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: Atomicat register, basically.
thestringpuller: Atomicat: start with
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it's complicated.
thestringpuller: seems complicated in the sense the trustworthy miners don't advertise themselves but hide in the darkness.
mircea_popescu: but i'll quote this much to you : 你这么牛掰，你怎么不会汉语啊。😁哈哈哈，反正你也不懂，我觉得很有意思！祝你好运哈！
thestringpuller: and whereas still to date no mining hardware company has ever delivered equipment on time
Atomicat: mircea_popescu: I have registered with gribble.
Atomicat: Isn't that the WOT?
PeterL: <thestringpuller> mircea_popescu: do you have contacts for the mining world? last time I checked everyone in that world was some level of scammer. << people offering "mining services" might all be scammers, but there might be people mining for themselves who are not scamming
mircea_popescu: Atomicat nah, it forked a year ago over a misunderstanding.
PeterL: but I might be wrong
thestringpuller: PeterL: this people do not advertise. probably have to go to the deserts of china to find them.
mircea_popescu: china is actually not in a desert. mongolia sort-of is.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ok73wh )
Atomicat: I think it needs to be updated.
mircea_popescu: specifically ?
Atomicat: followed*
mircea_popescu: yes but what's wrong with it
PeterL: aha, it still references gibble WoT
PeterL: needs update to AssWoT
assbot: #bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ok73wh )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Atomicat: Yep, that's what I meant
assbot: #bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ok73wh )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: Error: "msg" is not a valid command.
gribble: Admin, Alias, Anonymous, AutoMode, BadWords, BitcoinData, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Conditional, Config, Debug, Dict, Dunno, Factoids, Filter, Format, GPG, Games, Gatekeeper, Google, Herald, Internet, Later, Market, Math, MessageParser, Misc, Network, OTCOrderBook, Owner, Plugin, RSS, RatingSystem, Reply, Scheduler, Seen, Services, Status, String, Time, Topic, URL, Unix, (1 more message)
Atomicat: Can I register with assbot using a bitcoin address?
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1J73Z7o )
PeterL: lol, poor hey getting your message
mircea_popescu: Atomicat no, you need a pgp signature.
thestringpuller: G.R.E.A.M - GPG rules everything around me.
PeterL: ;;seen dub
gribble: dub was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 6 days, 16 hours, 57 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <dub> hallo
gribble: Error: "later" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck was it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.00050398 = 14.0862 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: [09:09:12] <assbot> [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.00050398 = 14.0862 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up gabriel_laddel
gribble: I currently have notes waiting for ben_vulpes, cazalla, crypt0queen, hey, joseph_young, kako, M-John, mike_c, nubbins`, pierre_rochard, psztorc, saifedean, TheNewDeal, therealascii, Ukto, Ukyo, whaack, and Wolf`.
mircea_popescu: there we go.
gabriel_laddel: ;; later tell adlai I was referring to the dataflow paradigm.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;notes hey
gribble: Sent 7 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes you gotta fix http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
mircea_popescu: ;;notes therealascii
gribble: Sent 2 weeks, 3 days, 12 hours, and 35 minutes ago: <adlai> fix dat key thing! or is it kako's fault
PeterL: ;;seen Ukyo
gribble: Ukyo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 40 weeks, 5 days, 13 hours, 18 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <Ukyo> mgio_: ping
mircea_popescu: heh. so basically most gribble traffic is from b-a huh,
mircea_popescu: ;;notes crypt0queen
gribble: Sent 2 weeks, 4 days, 12 hours, and 34 minutes ago: <Michail1> Need ya to contact me. House fire, and the cleanup crew broke my sign. Snapped off the A. Do you have another for sale or the 'ACCEPTED' part?
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell michail1 you know the later tell thing is public right ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !up xiaomorph
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00050901 = 15.2703 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up DerpUnion
DerpUnion: so whats the deal with Classic, gavin is starting to look desperate
mircea_popescu: "starting" eh.
DerpUnion: first it was 20MB, then 8MB-8GB, now its down to 2MB, that is like atleast a 10x change in his "technical position"
DerpUnion: mircea_popescu: Whats the deal with Erik Voorhees supporting larger blocks, u still in touch with him?
mircea_popescu: ;;seen evoorhees
gribble: evoorhees was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 years, 25 weeks, 5 days, 15 hours, 6 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <evoorhees> I need to go for now, on later
mircea_popescu: not in a coupla years.
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - DOW low under 16000 before April 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1225/dow-low-under-16000-before-april-2016/#b25
thestringpuller: !gettrust assbot evoorhees
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user evoorhees: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=evoorhees | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/evoorhees/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00051183 = 16.6857 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c here's a thought, in http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/ might be a good idea to hide users not seen in i dunno, a quarter ? a year ? something ? explained, and with link for "full list".
assbot: WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/231wU3S )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !seen gribble
mircea_popescu: and kakobrekla - how about assbot getting a !seen which returns "timestamp of last successful !v response" ? so as not to have to use gribble's.
mircea_popescu: cut right down on the name squatting business.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25599 @ 0.00051328 = 13.1395 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: I can't get the numbers to work to make mining profitable. I don't see how it would be possible. It's like flushing BTC down a toilet.
DerpUnion: id reckon its only possible with subsidised or free electricity
thestringpuller: that's not the problem. it's the escalating difficulty.
mircea_popescu: you recall the mpoe-pr's buffett quote ?
thestringpuller: any miner going online today will never break even at the retail price point
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: oh yea. it's zero sum. I have that saved somewhere around here.
mircea_popescu: so... yeah. it isn't nor could it be.
DerpUnion: how cld that be? if your running cost is 0 and your income non-zero, u will eventually recoup
DerpUnion: though that cld be a long eventually
mircea_popescu: link him then thestringpuller ?
mircea_popescu: !rate atomicat 1 New blood
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/58dc0bb375decb96
DerpUnion: thestringpuller: think i might have read this b4, but will go thru it again, thx
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.atomicat.1:5483b037c87df6ab61aeef4e9e34a256445265b6491b4cefe4b0540842b5edbe
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for atomicat with note: New blood
mircea_popescu: " The domestic textile industry operates in a commodity business, competing in a world market in which substantial excess capacity exists." and subsq.
thestringpuller: Relevant part hanbot had posted >> "Over the years, we had the option of making large capital expenditures in the textile operation that would have allowed us to somewhat reduce variable costs. Each proposal to do so looked like an immediate winner. Measured by standard return-on- investment tests, in fact, these proposals usually promised greater economic benefits than would have resulted from comparable expenditures in our
assbot: Chairman's Letter - 1985 ... ( http://bit.ly/231zarE )
thestringpuller: and then "But the promised benefits from these textile investments were illusory. Many of our competitors, both domestic and foreign, were stepping up to the same kind of expenditures and, once enough companies did so, their reduced costs became the baseline for reduced prices industrywide. Viewed individually, each company’s capital investment decision appeared cost- effective and rational; viewed collectively, the decisio
Atomicat: mircea_popescu: I really appriciate it.
thestringpuller: DerpUnion: bitcoin mining is a black hole, as in you'll never get the BTC out you put into miners unless you can do some voodoo. Even if electricity cost was 0, you'd still have trouble paying off the miners themselves unless you have direct access to $foundry
mircea_popescu: the strange with bitcoin is that mining is ALWAYS a market in which supracapacity exists, for the odd reason that mining is a ~0 demand activity, which is altogether a concept unknown in economy so far.
mircea_popescu: what happens is that the same nominal amount will be distributed to all producers uniformly by lottery, no matter the volume of production.
mircea_popescu: that there exists no marginal demand created by production increase nor any demand destroyed by production shortages makes the situation quite peculiar.
thestringpuller: This is why you get stories of people investing in mining and holding BTC until price escalates then sell portion to get net profit. But bear market has prevented that for the past 1.5-2 years
mircea_popescu: there IS the implicit fiat short where you finance your mining with [tax deductible] fiat losses, and maintain your profits in bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: which is the primary driver for the extreme run-up in hashing we've been experiencing the past coupla years.
mircea_popescu: but this behaviour is very difficult to model.
thestringpuller: aha! the plot thickens.
thestringpuller: !up DerpUnion
thestringpuller: i had a theory the "profitable" miners (ones that got in early before major difficulty increase vis-a-vis jgarzik getting first avalon miner and paying it off in 1 month), will drop the price to push other miners offline.
mircea_popescu: i don't trust jgarzik's ability to correctly account for a business venture, for one thing.
mircea_popescu: "old miners" do what you say in cases such as saudi arabia cutting prices to sink obama's hopes of reindustrializing the us, sure. but note that there's a strong "god-given" element to this : the saudis didn't BUILD those oil deposits.
mircea_popescu: in a sense they're stuck with them. much like a preppy kid that's stuck with his parents house.
mircea_popescu: the other kids in school'd BETTER think his dad's house is cool, or else he stands to lose a lot. so he has a vested interest in having the sluttier chicks in class over by his pool each weekend, that other kids in better situations don't.
thestringpuller: this is how gatsby tried to rise to power, but was struck down by "old money". it would seem miners would operate under the same mentality.
mircea_popescu: you are aware that's a book, written about "how it is to be rich" by someone who was himself poor ?
mircea_popescu: something like https://archive.org/details/memoirsoftalleyr02talliala would make a better sample of "what it's like", that dude was loaded.
assbot: Memoirs of Talleyrand : Talleyrand-Périgord, Charles Maurice de, prince de Bénévent, 1754-1838 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1mYilNs )
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1370176 I suspect bitfury is a wholly-owned subsidiary of TMSC
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 15:24:47; thestringpuller: DerpUnion: bitcoin mining is a black hole, as in you'll never get the BTC out you put into miners unless you can do some voodoo. Even if electricity cost was 0, you'd still have trouble paying off the miners themselves unless you have direct access to $foundry
thestringpuller: f. scott fitzgerald really didn't get experience "the rich life", it's just interesting to me that "old miners" operate similar to "old money". i do find it intriguing the proletariat of America found that book so fascinating in declaring "the american dream" dead.
Atomicat: How can I register on MPEX and is there any profittable assets to invest in currently?
mircea_popescu: iirc mpex assets have been the only profitable sort of bitcoin assets throughout bitcoin's history.
mircea_popescu: now, just how profitable and which... that's an open question.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31128 @ 0.0005077 = 15.8037 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: The best investments in the history of Bitcoin on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/231DBmu )
assbot: The list of discontinued assets on MPEx on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/231DI1j )
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: thanks for the link. french bourgeois life during that time. my what a time.
mircea_popescu: you know who the guy was right ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7586 @ 0.00050752 = 3.85 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: I'm reading about him right now and his diplomacy in france.
thestringpuller: seems dope as hell: "His career spanned the regimes of Louis XVI, the years of the French Revolution, Napoleon, Louis XVIII, and Louis-Philippe."
mircea_popescu: right. napoleon got to be napoleon for two reasons and a spot of luck. the ancient nobility prince here named is one reason, count bernadotte, later king, is the other.
thestringpuller: Yea he was the kissinger of napoleon from what I'm reading.
thestringpuller: srsly. why go to college when you have #bitcoin-assets
mircea_popescu: and of everyone else.
mircea_popescu: and ugly as fuck, but the hottest fuck in paris. at least if you ask the sluts.
thestringpuller: punkman: are you talking about that tawainese semiconductor company?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00050027 = 17.0592 BTC [-] {3}
Atomicat: mircea_popescu: "Make sure you include verbiage to reflect that you are aware you will be required to pay 50 BTC as fees for registering the account, and are prepared to do so. "
Atomicat: Is this still valid?
mircea_popescu: Atomicat yeah. but there are brokers, such as for instance jurov's coinbr.com that are less onerous.
thestringpuller: coinbr is a good deal. 0.019 btc a month
thestringpuller: ;;calc 50 / 0.019
gribble: 2631.57894737
thestringpuller: ^- months to pay off mpex fee at coinbr rates. << so you can't beat that
Atomicat: thestringpuller: I think mircea_popescu should lower the price bacuase the bitcoin was not this high at that time.
mircea_popescu: the price was actually lower historically.
thestringpuller: Atomicat: he value of a seat on the New York Stock Exchange has been falling after reaching a high nearly $4 million in 2005 to a value arounf $2.5 million today. << Significantly cheaper than a seat at the NYSE
Atomicat: lol yeah but MPEX is not as big as NYSE.;p
Atomicat: How many assets are listed on MPEX? Is there a list?
assbot: MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KfC2pe )
Atomicat: IMO, There isn't much listed there.
thestringpuller: I blame the VC-fueled derps. Others blame the school systems.
thestringpuller: !up ascii_butugychag
mircea_popescu: eh what's the rush anyway.
mircea_popescu: as bitcoin grows there'll be more stuff to list.
assbot: OpenSSH: client bug CVE-2016-0777 ... ( http://bit.ly/231KrIz )
thestringpuller: srsly?!?
ascii_butugychag: 'The matching server code has never been shipped, but the client code was enabled by default and could be tricked by a malicious server into leaking client memory to the server, including private client user keys.
mircea_popescu: SECURITY: ssh(1): The OpenSSH client code between 5.4 and 7.1
mircea_popescu: contains experimential support for resuming SSH-connections (roaming).
mircea_popescu: The matching server code has never been shipped, but the client
mircea_popescu: code was enabled by default and could be tricked by a malicious
mircea_popescu: server into leaking client memory to the server, including private
mircea_popescu: client user keys.
ascii_butugychag: still waiting for anybody to suggest removing ALL the 'mebbe for later' crapolade
ascii_butugychag: or would that be t3rr0r1zm!1111
mircea_popescu: how would progress progress!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115816 @ 0.00049927 = 57.8235 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: <fluffypony> to a South African most "African Americans" look mixed-race << What abot DOn Cheadle?
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: he's the exception to the rule, you also get the occasional light-skinned Nigerian :)
mircea_popescu: apparently you can also get blue eyed black people, 1 in 5mn or somesuch
thestringpuller: I'm green eyed black person, but that doesn't count.
mircea_popescu: that's somewhat more common.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i dun have one. << I swore you had one with mebbe 5 posts or something
thestringpuller: unless someone squatted you
mircea_popescu: i dunno what that is.
assbot: Bounty 1 BTC for a new Friend - All my friends are ReTards ... ( http://bit.ly/1n2t75P )
BingoBoingo: Then again who can remember all they things wine talked them into
shinohai: I'm shocked not a single person has left feedback on that MP account lol
BingoBoingo: Didn't exist yet
BingoBoingo: Thermos introduced the rating system sometime in 2013
assbot: OpenSSH: client bug CVE-2016-0777 and CVE-2016-0778 ... ( http://bit.ly/231KrIz )
BingoBoingo: UPDATE: Affects all OpenSSH 5.4 - 7.1: Apply the workaround and wait for an upcoming release.
BingoBoingo: Sounds a lot like ascii_butugychag was always right "SSH roaming enables a client, in case an SSH connection breaks
BingoBoingo: unexpectedly, to resume it at a later time, provided the server also
BingoBoingo: supports it. The OpenSSH server doesn't support roaming, but the OpenSSH client
BingoBoingo: supports it (even though it's not documented) and it's enabled by
BingoBoingo: default."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8607 @ 0.00049802 = 4.2865 BTC [-]
assbot: Coindesk Acquired By Silbert Group | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1RQ7a5c )
thestringpuller: so gavin conceded >> http://gavinandresen.ninja/classic-unlimited-xt-core << "In the long run I think everything will work out fine, no matter what happens with the block limit."
trinque squints at .ninja, refuses to read
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8864 @ 0.00050498 = 4.4761 BTC [+]
deedbot-: [Qntra] OpenSSH Client Bug Leaks Memory Contents - http://qntra.net/2016/01/openssh-client-bug-leaks-memory-contents/
BingoBoingo: !up idkwhat2dowithmy
idkwhat2dowithmy: BingoBoingo I've been reading your stuff on qntra
idkwhat2dowithmy: Good stuff
BingoBoingo: thank you
jurov: !up ascii_butugychag
jurov: !up AndChat|63600
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24536 @ 0.00051246 = 12.5737 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14049 @ 0.00050816 = 7.1391 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Let's build a Freedom Node · Pavol Rusnak ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMYVFO )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00050539 = 5.6098 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: maybe link him to the whole pogo thing ?
mircea_popescu: perhaps the biggest matzah ball hanging over the heads of all this well meaning & naive "foss" thing is the sheer disinclination of the kids to do research.
mircea_popescu: ;;google Varg Quisling Larssøn Vikernes
gribble: Varg Vikernes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varg_Vikernes>; Varg Vikernes | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers: <http://murderpedia.org/male.V/v/vikernes-varg.htm>; Some Facts about Varg Vikernes & his Case | Thulean Perspective: <http://thuleanperspective.com/2014/06/02/some-facts-about-varg-vikernes-his-case/>
mircea_popescu: da nordic model is not without its quislings
BingoBoingo: !up idkwhat2dowithmy Mebbe fix your connection
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 431.47, vol: 4485.50246632 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 432.05, vol: 4968.71595 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 432.01, vol: 14521.98254248 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 429.615917, vol: 31225.21250000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 433.16367, vol: 49.14092684 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 435.3657, vol: 59.86576517 | Volume-weighted last average: 430.622890863
assbot: Server retired after 18 years and ten months – beat that, readers! • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1ORItnW )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24751 @ 0.0005035 = 12.4621 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3599 @ 0.00050146 = 1.8048 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up stoon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9038 @ 0.00050146 = 4.5322 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.0005028 = 1.5587 BTC [+]
deedbot-: [Qntra] Water Quality Crisis In United States Lake Region - http://qntra.net/2016/01/water-quality-crisis-in-united-states-lake-region/
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: so i looked into what folks did in the dark ages prior to 'v'
ascii_butugychag: and behold,
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33863 @ 0.00050066 = 16.9538 BTC [-] {2}
ascii_butugychag: mega-l0l, worth a read
ascii_butugychag: esp. to all the folks who want to 'automate' crypto
ascii_butugychag: i think in the time it takes to even read that page, you could write a quite respectable v-tron...
mircea_popescu: i... shot him an email.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag you have to know tho. in the time it takes most women to suck at their amorous life, they could make themselves into quite respectable slavegirls. so what of it ?
ascii_butugychag: could they, now.
ascii_butugychag: could i become a respectable sumo wrestler in the time i take on the train, aha.
mircea_popescu: there's a major difference between disciplines of the mind, such as NOT BEING STUPID
mircea_popescu: and disciplines of the ass, such as being a sumo wrestler.
mircea_popescu: the former's all removal. much like our work on bitcoin pore.
mircea_popescu: for it's not really any sort of core. tis a pore.
ascii_butugychag: my mind is still boggling at the sheer monumental complexity of the signed-git crud
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18798 @ 0.0005028 = 9.4516 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: complexity is improvement ; war is peace.
mircea_popescu: i suspect that at the root of the complexity-seeking behaviours is the deeply internalized if very infantile fear that if others understand what you did they won't respect you for doing it. because hey, 5yo doesn't understand what parents do.
thestringpuller: the funny thing is the core devs proclaim "No need to use V or TRB method. We sign our git patches!!!!111"
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: this is intensely selected for in the 'job market'
ascii_butugychag: (if your system makes sense to others, you might get sacked, etc)
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag it is, but not just. the nonsense is in fact so pervasive that when someone does something horrible ~and it matters not at all what it is ~ the first, the automatic, the one true psychological defense is... "you don't understand"
mircea_popescu: as if your don't undertstanding is an extenuating circumstance, that somehow makes anything better, like salt and blowing up the whites.
thestringpuller: pretty sure security through obfuscation has been disproven.
thestringpuller: should aim for _actual_ security not pseudo security
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: the observation was about 'job security'
thestringpuller: there was once a Ph.D ex-NASA worker employed by my buddy at McAffee back in the day. He built job security around "filtering mail". When my buddy became a manager, he asked the d00d "What do you actually do?" The guy gave this long obfuscated explanation, and my buddy said, "So we can replace you with a mail proc script?"
thestringpuller: The d00d kept trying to say how his job was meaningful and useful, etc.
thestringpuller: So one day, buddy gives this d00d a pink slip, and replaces him with a mail proc script.
ascii_butugychag: if he had to explain at all, he clearly failed to 'securitify' his job
thestringpuller: for the old management he did, but he couldn't bullshit my buddy.
BingoBoingo: !up brg444
brg444: new rules?
brg444: couldn't seem to manage to !up?
mircea_popescu: no changes afaik.
BingoBoingo: !gettrust assbot brg444
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user brg444: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=brg444 | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/brg444/
brg444: [16:45] <assbot> You need a better WoT rating for self-up. (level 2 with assbot >0)
brg444: ah!
thestringpuller: https://archive.is/9ZfPP << apparently the culprit (via pete_dushenski)
BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.brg444.1:9851d7a0361f264dc91cb22826ff9694902bee07b46676ec73d9c945b4c5894b
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for brg444 from 1 to 1 with note: loan of voice
brg444: so mircea_popescu mike head already hanging in your living room?
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Peg5s1 )
mircea_popescu: that's ok, the usg can keep it.
BingoBoingo: brg444: Ah pete gave you a egrate
BingoBoingo: negrate
BingoBoingo: brg444: I'm working on the Qntra piece on the NYTimes piece
mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot brg444
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user brg444: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=brg444 | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/brg444/
mircea_popescu: ah you got nulled.
brg444: I'm seeing that now :/
mircea_popescu: what exactly is the contention there ?
brg444: I've no idea
thestringpuller: pete didn't like what he said on reddit?
mircea_popescu: "Two years ago, Mr. Hearn quit a cushy programming job at Google’s Swiss headquarters" << dude gtfo, cushy gofer job.
brg444: likely
mircea_popescu: !rate brg444 1 whatevs
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/022dafc3c5d7eabb
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.brg444.1:e5228957700a2b4a678420cfa4c0c73e7da1d5781f10ae355c84bc5871eb6b1b
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for brg444 with note: whatevs
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: where are you reading that?
mircea_popescu: " Mr. Hearn, until recently one of the most prominent leaders of the Bitcoin project, became so disillusioned that in December he sold the few hundred Bitcoins he had left and quietly took a job at a new start-up."
mircea_popescu: o REALLY.
mircea_popescu: fucking nyt ffs. no research right ?
mircea_popescu: asshat didn't "become disillusioned", and he was never a prominent "leader".
mircea_popescu: he was a prominent mole, ever since the original forkattack.
brg444: more importantly do we know if he really had bitcoins ?
thestringpuller: that picture is priceless. he could at least have a few sluts to pose with.
mircea_popescu: yeah BingoBoingo qntra gotta run a piece setting "nathaniel popper" straight.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is that asspirate anyway.
ascii_butugychag: afaik hearn was a loud, unrepentant 'garnish' from day 1 on stage ...?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Thing hit my radar just after the Post industrial shithole piece.
mircea_popescu: but the fact that they can't keep their oh-so-precious "state secrets" from the republic bothers them immensely.
ascii_butugychag: l0l i'm still waiting for an ~actual~ seeeekrit
shinohai: !gettrust asciilifeform
assbot: Trust relationship from user shinohai to user asciilifeform: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 10 via 10 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=shinohai&to=asciilifeform | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/asciilifeform/
thestringpuller: "He believes that the dangers of the current impasse have not been reflected in the price of Bitcoin because the full debate has been censored in many of the online forums where Bitcoin is discussed." << When did reddit become "the forum"?
thestringpuller: oh this takes the cake >> “I want to be in a professional environment again where people are grounded in some sort of business reality.”
brg444: ^ meh. Price did react and tanked when he released the XTurd
mircea_popescu: briefly.
brg444: sure
thestringpuller: What is this nonsense? Mike Hearn gets exiled from Bitcoin and decides to keep complaining?
ascii_butugychag: he is being placed in storage
mircea_popescu: what did you expect him to do, "i am an abject failure that decided to go up against better men, who first warned me and then turned me inside out like a glove" ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag pretty much.
ascii_butugychag: on account of the faux-trb 'bitcoin classic' crapolade
ascii_butugychag: which is usg's new tack
mircea_popescu: nono, they were gonna matter!
thestringpuller: !up ascii_butugychag
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i don't recall any other scammer being as vocal after they failed.
mircea_popescu: hahaha wut ?
mircea_popescu: pirate was like "o bitcoin will now fail". that garza idiot ?
mircea_popescu: how about every single idiot to date!
thestringpuller: but not _this_ vocal
brg444: thestringpuller there's not quite an attention whore like mike
mircea_popescu: in the sense that nytimes only publishes the faux accounts of SOME scammers, rather than all scammers.
thestringpuller: i guess how cops only catch some of the criminals not all of them.
mircea_popescu: yeah. "some".
ascii_butugychag: thing is, muppets are cheap
thestringpuller: i forgot. sometimes they just sprinkle crack on nigger homeowners and call it a day.
mircea_popescu: anyway, expect him to show up in system-d or whatever. "grounded in business reality"
ascii_butugychag: yesterday - hearn, tomorrow - some other
mircea_popescu: quite. they spawn like cockroaches.
thestringpuller: the pointless and the witless in full effect.
mircea_popescu: anyone remember "twobitidiot" ? no, because today it's "toomim brothers". bla bla, whatevs.
ascii_butugychag: so i'm not seeing any actual defeat here
brg444: they're already breeding the new generation "toomim"
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag you won't see any actual defeat no matter what happened.
thestringpuller: "Pointless : I guess sooner or later I'll lose, because idiocy has infinite hitpoints."
ascii_butugychag: why not ?
mircea_popescu: you'll sit there on a mass grave with a million corpses in it, and alternatively piss inside and go "no defeat here"
thestringpuller: while at the same time woodchipper continues to spew moar corpses into grave while idiots tell you "they know better"
mircea_popescu: anyway. i'm short a woman currently, so how about you lot get busy making some replacements.
mircea_popescu: date moar!
mircea_popescu: for there is no such thing as defeat, as alf correctly observes. but there is such thing as victory.
ascii_butugychag: i'd like to live to see it, even.
mircea_popescu: !up PeterL
PeterL: ty
PeterL: so I was trying out v, version 99997, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/14a90ef2-4619-4c89-b976-dede86778384/?raw=true I think something is wrong?
mircea_popescu: o.O da fuck is that
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 21:54:03; mircea_popescu: pirate was like "o bitcoin will now fail". that garza idiot ?
PeterL: I think it should have a different fingerprint for each person, but it is showing the same for everybody
ascii_butugychag: PeterL: did you somehow copy my key over every other ?
BingoBoingo did not get that problem
PeterL: no, I looked at the files, they are each different
mircea_popescu: can you paste the script that output that ?
PeterL: just a sec
mircea_popescu: i meant the script. v.pl
PeterL: oh, sure
adlai wonders how serene a republic must get for the first n00b to volunteer log summary deeds... not like anybody able to pay for this would either do so or volunteer himself
mircea_popescu: why deed the logs ?
BingoBoingo: Why summarize logs?
adlai: well the logs themselves are deeded (or at least the past year(s)? didn't verify it all myself)
mircea_popescu: the latter's actuyally useful.
adlai agrees with mircea_popescu here!
mircea_popescu: PeterL the script looks ok i have nfi how it could put out the output you show.
PeterL: this is with Perl v5.18.2, on Xubuntu
PeterL: maybe? alf and mircea I copied key off net and into file, they show up fine in v list, the other two I imported into gpg key and then exported to a file
PeterL: did gpg --export mess something up?
mircea_popescu: not in this manner at any rate.
PeterL: anyway, I am off to get dinner, will check back in later sometime
adlai wonders whether qntra would be a better venue than deeds for summaries; it has the advantage of requiring review and implying approval, rather than merely inviting sha256 and best-effort backup
trinque: it's certainly more an editorial/publishing concern than mere archival
BingoBoingo: Qntra is the wrong place for log "summaries," News that happens in the logs yes. General summmaries of X period in the logs no. The complete logs are their own canon.
adlai: quidquid editore dictum est, sic fiat
BingoBoingo: Is that getting wrapped into a trilema post?
BingoBoingo: You say that now, but tomorrow circumstances will demand it or something.
BingoBoingo: adlai: Cliff notes are not reading shakespeare, even if the kid passes the classroom test. Even a quality summary is at best merely an aid useful for assisting a thrid or fourth rereading of the actual canon material.
mircea_popescu: in my mind at least, "summary" has merged much closer to re-threadify.
mircea_popescu: sort-of how philosophy is studied both historically and thematically. the log is historical, but there should prolly be a thematic repository
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> You say that now, but tomorrow circumstances will demand it or something. << wait, wut ?!
BingoBoingo: That's not summary, that's commentary.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: At some point you are surely going to find occasion to include that amateur whore in a Trilema. It will be the exact derp to properly explain some other derp who needs a good shiting on.
mircea_popescu: should that happen, which seems improbable, i'll just... fish another one ?
mircea_popescu: but i guess who knows teh future huh.
BingoBoingo: That's how USG works, just fishing new Hearnias everytime the dumber power rangers rig up a fresh truss to pretend the last one wasn't a problem.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i thought you meant you wanted to use it or something.
mircea_popescu: which, if that's what you meant, go ahead.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4283 @ 0.00050082 = 2.145 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Ah no. I jsut suspected you might be writing a post. Then when you said it wasn't going into a post decided to jinx it.
mircea_popescu: haven't i derped enough about okcupid on trilema ?!
BingoBoingo: You've never covered anything enough on Trilema. This is a serious optimization problem.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13209 @ 0.00049925 = 6.5946 BTC [-]
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 V pressed out correctly this time, is building.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369798 << for starters, because Bitcoin differentiates between them, modulo s/were/are/ ; and because fixing this requires admitting that separating the merkle roots covering inputs and outputs might actually be onto something
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 03:31:31; ben_vulpes: i do not see the point at all in differentiating between txnen-which-are-relayed and txn-which-are-mined
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369694 << I hope you don't mean anything that makes it ~easier~ to use (treatises in latin are not included, but a bitch to write)
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 02:55:26; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369573 << is somebody gonna write a full 'v' treatise ?
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 00:10:03; mircea_popescu: http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/photons.htm << this thing's a fucking riot. "photon of color" totally makes the whole piece.
adlai: "can read source and figure out wtf it does and why" is almost as sybil-resistent as PoW
adlai would guess that it's a little early for an RFC, but has no readily available data about the time-in-market for RFCed technology
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9402 @ 0.0005028 = 4.7273 BTC [+]
adlai still things that !s S.MPOE would be more useful in deedbot than log.b-a
adlai: assbot isn't 100% correct, but this is fixable
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33650 @ 0.00051 = 17.1615 BTC [+]
adlai: not in the "produce non-cuantic trading engine" sense, but in the "RFC if your trade didn't appear properly" sense
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00050188 = 9.8368 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00050133 = 10.0767 BTC [-]
adlai wonders whether a sign of 'Bitcoin Mecca' will be legislating that taxable income must be delivered in local fiat, without actually making non-fiat payment illegal as incentive, enticement, teasing, etc
adlai: the fiat gov signing such a law signs its own expiration warrant, but the average legislator probably isn't smart enough to be reading the logs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00050999 = 2.6519 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00049925 = 3.0454 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: afk grabbing food
adlai: ^ pure snr imnsho, along with !down etc
thestringpuller: wrong channel :<
adlai files incident under "excuses to steal"
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 21:32:41; mircea_popescu: i suspect that at the root of the complexity-seeking behaviours is the deeply internalized if very infantile fear that if others understand what you did they won't respect you for doing it. because hey, 5yo doesn't understand what parents do.
ben_vulpes: ui programmers are especially prone to this, imho because the smalltalk MPI style of MVC and data marshalling through layers is very much not a paradigm that lends itself to simplicity of code design.
deedbot-: [Qntra] NYTimes: Mike Hearn "Gave Up" - http://qntra.net/2016/01/nytimes-mike-hearn-gave-up/
adlai blinks... since when does deedbot- follow nyt? or hearn for that matter?
ben_vulpes: qntra, yo
adlai: afk grabbing sleep/etc
BingoBoingo: Quadruple title chain via deedbot- yo
jurov: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 427.56, Best ask: 427.71, Bid-ask spread: 0.15000, Last trade: 427.52, 24 hour volume: 13409.57571648, 24 hour low: 426.0, 24 hour high: 435.0, 24 hour vwap: None
jurov: ^ clearly abject failure
mircea_popescu: something occurred ?
mod6: shinohai: good to hear, thx for the update.
mod6: now i will look at PeterL's issue.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00049892 = 5.987 BTC [-] {3}
mod6: ;; later tell PeterL hey, the version of 'v.pl' that you have looks correct to me. the issue is that you have the pubkeys named incorrectly, try with 'mod6.asc', 'ben_vulpes.asc', 'asciilifeform.asc' and 'mircea_popescu.asc'
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: ;;later tell PeterL I guess also, if that doesn't resolve the issue, there could be something weird going on with your gpg import. might have to investigate more with you.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
phf: asciilifeform: in your pgp version are you getting rid of the whole keyring concept? i assume the switch is to "a folder full of ascs"?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11244 @ 0.00049883 = 5.6088 BTC [-]
assbot: The resolution of the Bitcoin experiment — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1TYTm7y )
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell bitstein I missed that original piece by Mike Hearn. I see no reason to link it or an archive of in in the Qntra article. Mike Hearn hasn't had a say on any subject in a long time. Why should he get one about himself?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] “They don’t print paper catalogues anymore, everything’s on their website.” - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/14/they-dont-print-paper-catalogues-anymore-everythings-on-their-website/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3282 @ 0.00050312 = 1.6512 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: " but it’s now common to be asked to pay more to miners than a credit card would charge."
mircea_popescu: dude get the everloving fuck out.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, i have yet to see a tx that cost 0.1 btc fixed fee, which is what wires cost. for the other, credit cards are UNIVERSALY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WIRES.
mircea_popescu: which is why people who aren't poorfags use wires.
mircea_popescu: reading mike hearn is like reading timecube without the humor, writing skill, grounding in reality, variety and aesthetic appreciation.
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2ZAB70Z.txt )
BingoBoingo: That's the other good reason it wouldn't have been linked if I found it in time. It's like Cryptsy screaming their were hacked after their end has already entered the record. Too late.
mircea_popescu: this ustard fixation with credit cards.
assbot: NYTimes: Mike Hearn "Gave Up" | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1TYU7NY )
mircea_popescu: "oh, cars don't even have buggywhips!!11 CARS HAVE FAILED!11"
mircea_popescu: stop trying to hurt horses, idiot.
BingoBoingo: What, my car has a buggy whip. Not very useful when moving anymore, but might be useful if stopped by an angry urban crowd.
adlai: some of my best friends defuse road rage with firearms (works in the middle east, at least, where it's initiated with posturing rather than intent)
mircea_popescu: up until they run into one of the people that go by the principle that "if i see you armed you're dead."
adlai has yet to see the "51st state" go full usgtard
BingoBoingo prefer the whip for historical lulz. If going down to an angry urban mob might as well tack on the irony of defending self with Antebellum era agricultural tool.
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 393357 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 1778 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 6 hours, 26 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3166 @ 0.00050037 = 1.5842 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://maddox.com/ ahahaha what the fuck
assbot: Robert Maddox ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSa1tr )
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370555 << ahahahahaha whole thing is worth reading:
asciilifeform: 'OpenSSH 6.6 is the only version that is not affected, because it calls explicit_bzero() instead of memset() or bzero(). ..... older GCC versions do not remove the memset() or bzero() call made by buffer_free() or sshbuf_free(). GCC 5 and Clang/LLVM do, however, remove it.'
assbot: The Millionaire Blogging System ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSa3Bv )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was improved.
assbot: Logged on 04-12-2015 14:59:41; asciilifeform: (does anyone recall the very recent thread re: gcc optimizing away a certain kind of security check WHEN EXPLICITLY ASKED NOT TO ?)
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://maddox.com/ ahahaha what the fuck << http://maddox.xmission.com
assbot: Robert Maddox ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSa1tr )
assbot: rULeR Of thE UniverSe. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSa9ct )
mircea_popescu: but i think ima stop listening to people who don't have what i want (tits)
mircea_popescu: also... "this could be my office"
asciilifeform: holy shit is that reptilia's hotel ?!!
assbot: Logged on 14-10-2015 15:49:34; punkman: old gcc lulz https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=30475#c4
mircea_popescu: it's some old dude apparently living in costa rica (which he invented), telling the world truths in centered lines. "Yes, in case you didn't know it Facebook is a HUGE Blogging Platform and it earns Facebook Billions of Dollars !In fact Facebook generated $217.00 every second, 24hrs a day during 2013. And they Earned that money from You Blogging!"
mircea_popescu: i'm sure that's how they got it. not from random usg tendrils washing billions in "advertising".
mircea_popescu: "I have and I am continuing to make posts relating to different Occupations and Passions that can Profit and or Benefit from having a Blog. I will give a touch of ideas of HOW a Blog can Help each topic."
mircea_popescu: this is Lulzy and extreMely Amuseing.
asciilifeform: in other 'news', 4 days of malleus without a blackholing
mircea_popescu: "The Video is just a small sample that can get you started with Your Blog. Each subject is also reinforcement for ideas that You can use in your Life. Example .. The Ideas that I give for a Doctor can easily be modified and applied to another business or Passion. The basics of How a Doctor can monetize her Blog can also be applied to a person with a Coin Collection."
mircea_popescu: this vaguely reminds me of me when i was 6.
mircea_popescu: did i tell the story of the utility program i wrote in basic ?
mircea_popescu: was a lengthy list of 4+7*3 = 25
mircea_popescu: not sorted in any particular order. so that you know, if you needed a calculatuion made... you could just run my program and ... look it up.
mircea_popescu: maybe you wish to know what 6+5+3+2*3 = ?
asciilifeform: l0l matrix multiplication tables!
mircea_popescu: what can i say. you got me.
mircea_popescu: i had it saved on tape.
mircea_popescu: THEN i figurd out the tape could get damaged
mircea_popescu: so i saved it on another tape.
asciilifeform: preserved to this day ?
mircea_popescu: my mother prolly has it.
asciilifeform: i have floppies from before i was born, that still read ok
BingoBoingo: This Hearnia stuff has be stuck back reading March 2013 Trilema. Prolly one of my top 5 favorite Trilema months http://trilema.com/lets-capture-forum-bugs-in-amber
assbot: Let's capture forum bugs in amber on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSb10G )
mircea_popescu: actually the ddr metallic-something tapes of the era were much better than everything i saw since.
mircea_popescu: you got favourite months bb ?!
asciilifeform: those were mega-spiffy
asciilifeform: my folks had'em
mircea_popescu: basf made excellent ones and so did uh
mircea_popescu: i forget, yellow.
asciilifeform: basf made the best floppies also
mircea_popescu: i think the best igot were 3m
asciilifeform: best in orcland at any rate
mircea_popescu: 3m actually was a fine corp for a long time.
asciilifeform: i still remember my first 3m product
asciilifeform: mother brought it in one day - a box of 'post-it-notes'
asciilifeform: they had a strange perfume inside, also
asciilifeform: (today it is no longer used)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yes, but I can only ever name one at a time and never specify and ordering lest I jinx the list. This is still feeling now like an alt universe version of 2012-2013
BingoBoingo: And seriously March 2013 trilema linked to /dtng/ even http://trilema.com/2013/rape-is-fun-or-lets-fuck-up-adria-richards/
assbot: Rape is fun, or let's fuck up Adria Richards on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeBAsR )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00050653 = 2.1528 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00049837 = 1.6197 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: The Yay! Blood Glucose Monitor - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeC81T )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00049809 = 2.2912 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43350 @ 0.00050891 = 22.0612 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 00:52:44; phf: asciilifeform: in your pgp version are you getting rid of the whole keyring concept? i assume the switch is to "a folder full of ascs"?
asciilifeform: fuck hidden state.
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 01:08:41; BingoBoingo: Looks like I missed https://archive.is/9Kmlb
asciilifeform: now if only the other vermin heard hearn's 'surrender' and followed him into the sea
asciilifeform: (do we need a magical flute to make this work ?)
BingoBoingo: Need magical skin flute
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370572 << ~to the merchant.~ (and yes, priced in.) but h is speaking to konsooomers, who 'if i don't see it, it doesn't exist and doesn't possibly affect me'
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 01:14:18; mircea_popescu: for one thing, i have yet to see a tx that cost 0.1 btc fixed fee, which is what wires cost. for the other, credit cards are UNIVERSALY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WIRES.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00049809 = 3.4119 BTC [-] {2}
adlai: magic flutes playing funeral marches rival buggywhips as chicken repellent
assbot: Sexism in video games: the solution nobody is talking about. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wd4Sxz )
adlai: asciilifeform: since when are you reimplementing keyring-aware pgp?
asciilifeform: since never
adlai: aiui cardano only needs to know of a single key
asciilifeform: adlai: i think phf was asking about 'p'
adlai: aha
asciilifeform: and keyrings are retarded, and will not appear in any form
adlai is reminded of a snide remark made behind the back of an aging warrant officer: "your measure of success in life is inversely proportional to the weight and noise of your keyring"
asciilifeform: i suppose height of my career was as a penniless student: 1 key
asciilifeform: (rather than today, 12)
assbot: Confirmed: I'm banned from Apple Stores. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wd5vXQ )
adlai somehow doesn't imagine asciilifeform walking around with 12 cardanos looped into his belt
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00049809 = 2.7395 BTC [-] {2}
adlai: actual quote from meatwot-pope: "if somebody executes a death warrant against somebody trying to improve bitcoin, i'll fund and execute one against them myself" (don't judge him, he's prone to angry outbursts)
BingoBoingo: adlai: You might need to luke-jr against that pope
adlai always kept spare earplugs hidden in his 'buggywhip'
BingoBoingo: Anyways adlai, my impression that that belt is not where one wears cardano
adlai: this is why people who wish for success in life don't go into warrant officer carreers, or even avoid .mil altogether
adlai: !up AdrianG
AdrianG: thx
AdrianG: how do i obtain voice on join?
danielpbarron: !gettrust assbot AdrianG
assbot: AdrianG is not registered in WoT.
BingoBoingo: ^ AdrianG
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1J73Z7o )
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 17:22:06; ascii_butugychag: http://tryacl2.org << unrelated, but very nifty.
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 03:53:09; adlai: in other news, https://i.imgur.com/AYOxr2h.jpg
adlai: more as a 'lisp for its target audience' than anything else, tbh
asciilifeform: adlai: it is not a general-purpose lisp at all
asciilifeform: (implemented on a cl, yes, but is really a specialist tool)
adlai: this is an excellent infection vector, like how my floss-hating friend now uses gimp
adlai: (and blender, and linux... he's not yet sold on bitcoin, suffering from a terminal case of fiat-startuptardation)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The black hole treatment may have moved on to... me. Several times today restarted home node after finding myself stuck 3 to 14 blocks behind. Just recovered from a 4 hour lag.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: proper blackhole, with the characteristic logz, or plain old lag ?
AdrianG: !gettrust assbot AdrianG
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user AdrianG: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=AdrianG | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/AdrianG/
BingoBoingo: plain lag it seems so far. Wasn't anticipating so hadn't set up anything looking for it yet. What should I be looking for?
BingoBoingo: AdrianG: Mebbe introduce yourself?
AdrianG: ive been reading about this place.
BingoBoingo: Just helps if you let people know who your are. For example: I'm BingoBoingo and I'm an alcoholic.
AdrianG: do you irc drunk too?
BingoBoingo: Not anymore. Sober a bit less than 3 months nao.
AdrianG: im mainly interested in crypto tech, all these bitcoins/etc.
BingoBoingo: I could not do it alone. I had to turn my will and life over to my higher power, Brodin the Allspotter.
AdrianG: just wanted to idle mainly and see what ppl are talking about, i dont chat that much these days
AdrianG: lol
adlai answers AdrianG from pm: self-voicing is for people two steps removed from assbot so no, I can not help you in this regard
AdrianG: things got more interesting recently with all these blocksizes
BingoBoingo: AdrianG: It's just hard to get that first rating unless you give people something to judge you by whether it's throwing out ideas in channel here or linking some previous stuff to read.
adlai: or writing articles for qntra, which is always in need of biased yet accurate coverage of technical news
assbot: “They don’t print paper catalogues anymore, everything’s on their website.” | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1nmFkSW )
AdrianG: adlai: you write for qntra?
assbot: Adlai | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1nmFoCa )
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Of course you are
pete_dushenski: of course ?
pete_dushenski: i play white collar sports goddamit
pete_dushenski: i wasn't raised in a country barn yknow
pete_dushenski: mod6: you around ?
BingoBoingo: I wasn't raised in a barn either, but I can still smell barn when the wind comes from the wrong direction
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00049566 = 3.4696 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Or for most of the month after county fair week.
BingoBoingo: !up AdrianG
assbot: Cryptsy Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1nmGjCv )
AdrianG: irc trojan in the wallet code, heh.
mod6: pete_dushenski: yup, how goes it?
pete_dushenski: blame irc for all the world's problems !!
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.AdrianG.1:50fcf710cef58ed3dbf0da8ef386bbe1897c392c11e2731920a14d8803173bc4
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for AdrianG with note: Seen him in other channels.
AdrianG: thx
adlai: beautiful watching children reinvent the WoT... tearfully reminds one of the early days of forum.bitcoin.com
assbot: BitcoinX Membership | BitcoinX ... ( http://bit.ly/1nmHUbx )
AdrianG: adlai: have you seen keybase?
adlai: have you seen /r/btc_superclassico?
adlai: if you're serving clients javascript pgp implementations, you may have a better career happiness brokering fiat options by telephone
adlai: legal in israel, pays in "economic numbers" relative to the salesmen's previous jobs (hocking 'dead sea salt' in your local consumeristemple), rapidly replacing manufacture of arms both small and precise as the nation's primary income stream
assbot: Two Visions | Bernie Sanders - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1nmIV3j )
adlai: seeing as AdrianG did not !register in-channel, we now notice that post-gribble asswot has no way of publicly conjuring public-keyring contents
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00049793 = 2.5892 BTC [-] {3}
ben_vulpes: since sks is on the chopping block next, i imagine !register will eventually eat plaintext pubkeys.
adlai is looking for !pubkey <nick> that poops them back out
adlai: if nothing else, just for verification that what you sent in !register didn't get diddled (assuming assbot itself doesn't use mpex security standard)
adlai wonders where on the chopping block lie replay attack prevention
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 14:05:57; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell ben_vulpes hey you gotta fix http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
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