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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00050352 = 8.9627 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 429.42, vol: 4914.26755883 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 428.469, vol: 5078.09016 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 428.49, vol: 12732.93409788 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 424.0, vol: 1.551 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 428.815194, vol: 59881.18140000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 429.58989, vol: 35.5563113 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 424.5065, vol: 38.77286225 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 428.778021823
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00050517 = 6.7693 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: "You're bleeding too much, I need to cut you" - A Surgeon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10823 @ 0.00050517 = 5.4675 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17977 @ 0.00050528 = 9.0834 BTC [+] {2}
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - BTC price to rise above PM price of 1oz of gold before Oct 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1235/btc-price-to-rise-above-pm-price-of/#b12
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00050558 = 8.4937 BTC [+]
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $1,000 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1234/bitcoin-to-top-1-000-before-jul-2016/#b24
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17550 @ 0.00050558 = 8.8729 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.0005047 = 4.2647 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.0005047 = 2.9525 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00050433 = 4.4633 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00050433 = 4.1355 BTC [-]
jurov: <asciilifeform> everybody here would ~barf~ if they knew << applied coprophagy came real?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00050557 = 6.2691 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: !up Dava
jurov: hi Dava
jurov: https://bitbet.us/bet/1191/the-hearn-gavin-scamcoin-will-fizzle-in-2016/#c5500 if I understand right, this basically says mp is trying to spend his high-S output instead of low-S malleated output that was actually mined?
assbot: BitBet - The Hearn-Gavin scamcoin will fizzle in 2016 :: 101.11 B (96%) on Yes, 4.13 B (4%) on No | closing in 5 months 3 weeks | weight: 56`630 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1VHTw4t )
jurov: O.o restarted my patched trb after 2 weeks, now it reliably sigsegvs after first few blocks: http://dpaste.com/2C1FAER
assbot: dpaste: 2C1FAER: therealbitcoin sigsegv, by jurov ... ( http://bit.ly/1VHWNRj )
jurov: will retry with release
jurov: or my datadir got corrupted
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361414 << call me when quickutil and v.cl start their long steamy love affair
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 04:07:24; phf: asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, adlai: edi weitz (cl-ppcre, hunchentoot, flexi-streams rest of ediware) published a book of common lisp recipes http://www.amazon.com/o/asin/1484211774
adlai finds it asset-backwards to jump headfirst into v.cl before auditing https://github.com/froydnj/diff (and ironclad, but that's a little outside my pay grade)
assbot: froydnj/diff · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQsDcW )
assbot: Bleichenbacher'06 signature forgery in python-rsa ... ( http://bit.ly/1n3W4hv )
adlai: PSA for the guy(s) running the single-satoshi-net-fee makers... you wil LITERALLY DOUBLE YOUR PROFITS if you increase to a 2 satoshi net fee.
adlai: probability of being chosen for any given tx will be literally unaffected, for 21st century OED values of 'literally'
adlai apologises for the channel mixup, tries to port touchscreen breathalyzer to keyboard / brain
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.0005046 = 1.7156 BTC [-]
assbot: Flying the ICON A5 in New York City - ICON Aircraft ... ( http://bit.ly/1OaB5jK )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4861 @ 0.0005046 = 2.4529 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: <jurov> https://bitbet.us/bet/1191/the-hearn-gavin-scamcoin-will-fizzle-in-2016/#c5500 if I understand right, this basically says mp is trying to spend his high-S output instead of low-S malleated output that was actually mined? << AHA, ?
assbot: BitBet - The Hearn-Gavin scamcoin will fizzle in 2016 :: 101.11 B (96%) on Yes, 4.13 B (4%) on No | closing in 5 months 3 weeks | weight: 56`578 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1VHTw4t )
BingoBoingo: But no, to 2 comments down. I don't recall low-S being soft forked to mandatory, just a bunch of buttholes had been malleating transactions to low-s.
punkman: so the stuck tx has an invalid input?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10889 @ 0.0005046 = 5.4946 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2461 @ 0.00050476 = 1.2422 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: it might
BingoBoingo: because the network is full of buttholes
punkman: does that mean the stuck tx was created before the previous tx was mined&confirmed?
BingoBoingo: Not sure, but that comment has me thinking mebbe a wrong input tx id is somehow junking the big tx
punkman: that's what it says
BingoBoingo: It's too early in the morning. I'm confused and clearing out a form of spam.
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 392019 | Current Difficulty: 1.0388034081545589E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 393119 | Next Difficulty In: 1100 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 20 hours, 34 minutes, and 17 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00050345 = 9.5907 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: On a judge arrested for DWI: "Asked if he had a lawyer, he said, “I do, but he’s not going to talk to you.”" (Lawyer being himself)
assbot: Militia Liberates Oregon Land From Federal Occupation | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MSZt7N )
assbot: The Ghosts of Baha Mar: How a $3.5 Billion Paradise Went Bust - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rs9jUn )
assbot: BITBET.US not paying... scam or hack? ... ( http://bit.ly/1MT2PaX )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5466 @ 0.00050201 = 2.744 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11834 @ 0.00050133 = 5.9327 BTC [-]
shinohai: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361476 << mega-l0l! how is the use of e==3 a 'vulnerability' other than in the idiot programmer's head ??
ascii_butugychag: and naturally we get the usgtronics: 'As usual, the fact that it's possible to implement a dangerous algorithm correctly, doesn't mean it's humanely possible, and safer algorithms (and primitives) must always be preferred. (See also: deterministic ECDSA.)'
ascii_butugychag: 'Filippo Valsorda. I'm Italian and I work on the CloudFlare Security Team in London. I built the public Heartbleed test and I mess with cryptography. Public speaker. Motorbike rider. Frequent flyer. Hacker School F'13.'
ascii_butugychag: https://bitbucket.org/sybren/python-rsa/pull-requests/14/security-fix-bb06-attack-in-verify-by/diff << his patch. how would you react to a fella half-heartedly removing a tick from the back of a roadkill deer flattened on a highway ?
assbot: sybren / python-rsa / Pull request #14: [security] Fix BB'06 attack in verify() by switching from parsing to comparison — Bitbucket ... ( http://bit.ly/1MT5Xn1 )
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 10:00:07; jurov: <asciilifeform> everybody here would ~barf~ if they knew << applied coprophagy came real?
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 14:52:14; BingoBoingo: But no, to 2 comments down. I don't recall low-S being soft forked to mandatory, just a bunch of buttholes had been malleating transactions to low-s.
ascii_butugychag: it was trotted out prematurely and made a bit of a splat, but afaik is more or less cemented in now
punkman: isn't there one of those every time some bitbet tx is delayed
shinohai: I just happened upon it by reading the scam accusations thread for lolz
shinohai: looks like thestringpuller took care of it
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361472 << l0l quickutil: 'An attempt at a solution to this problem was to create what became the de facto standard library for Common Lisp utilities: Alexandria. While Alexandria contains on the order of 100 high quality, useful utilities, it suffers from a very slow-moving oligarchy. Alexandria's improvement depends on their willingness to cooperate in a timely manner
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 11:51:42; adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361414 << call me when quickutil and v.cl start their long steamy love affair
ascii_butugychag: 'Quickutil is a different approach to utility libraries. Instead of being a single, monolithic library, e.g., Alexandria, it attempts to be a nimble and lean platform for distribution of utilities piecemeal.'
ascii_butugychag: this smells of sulfur.
ascii_butugychag: of the wget -O - http://nsa.gov/fuckme.sh | sudo sh variety.
ascii_butugychag: oligarchy?! wat
ascii_butugychag: in seemingly-unrelated non-nyooz,
ascii_butugychag: 'Most design errors from the earlier editions persist; indeed, some defenders of Mathematica seem to view the inevitable peculiar results of these decisions as correct: they are replacing long-standing problems of mathematics notation or convention with a new understanding. This is an alternative world view in which an answer is said to be correct if it is “generic” and ignores sigularities.
ascii_butugychag: 'This is annoying if, as sometimes happens, the most important aspect is a singularity. Worse is the view offered by fans of the program (not necessarily WRI employees!) that an answer is correct because it is what Mathematica computes, and any view to the contrary is the fault of the user (perhaps for misunderstanding the documentation.)'
ascii_butugychag: if mircea_popescu's ego cock at least fits on a cable spool, of the kind used to carry fiber on a truck, wolfram's - only fits in the bilge of a 1890s cable-laying steamer
ascii_butugychag: i can't recall anybody else attempting 'embrace & extinguish' (tm) (r) on... mathematics.
BingoBoingo: <ascii_butugychag> it was trotted out prematurely and made a bit of a splat, but afaik is more or less cemented in now << July 4th was DER encoding. I don't think that involved low-s. Low-s panic was a bunch of derps malleating to high-s and since power ranger client defaulted to low-s a bunch of services that did the zero-conf thing Gox-paniced, because no one could expect. Power rangers then established malleate to low-s nodes.
BingoBoingo: trb and others pre-power rangers derping on the matter sign whatever s value
BingoBoingo: They were going to do even-s in when they started caring about the matter in 0.9 but then picked low-s for mysteries
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12329 @ 0.00050475 = 6.2231 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency FOGBANK
gribble: Error: 'FOGBANK' is not a valid currency code.
BingoBoingo: shucks
assbot: AMD Kabini Owners - Page 3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1RidjIW )
BingoBoingo: Who knows?
thestringpuller: It's gotta be filtered somewhere. Not showing up on blockr.io
thestringpuller: chainflyer doesn't see it either.
thestringpuller: nvm this explorer is confusing
assbot: Bitcoin Wallet Developer Andreas Schildbach: I Will Not Invest My Time in Lightning Networks | Bitcoin Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZNZ9jM )
BingoBoingo: !up zveda
zveda: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 429.87, Best ask: 429.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.12000, Last trade: 429.99, 24 hour volume: 8134.7448076, 24 hour low: 425.03, 24 hour high: 432.48, 24 hour vwap: None
phf: adlai: "veh" doesn't use diff or ironclad, calls out to external utilities instead. fwiw froyd explicitly disclaimers ironclad use in production anyway..
phf: hah, recent pull requests to ironclad is from this guy https://github.com/glv2 (i.e. https://github.com/froydnj/ironclad/pull/62), who has a bunch of peercoin related projects like https://github.com/glv2/peercoin-blockchain-parser
assbot: glv2 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZO1X0z )
assbot: glv2/peercoin-blockchain-parser · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZO1XgW )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40300 @ 0.00049982 = 20.1427 BTC [-] {5}
phf: oh, man, another fukamachi project (re quickutil). guy works for a tokyo ad startup, generates massive amounts of web dev style common lisp code. he's behind http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1327538
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 20:11:46; ben_vulpes: http://wookie.lyonbros.com/
BingoBoingo: !up PeterL
PeterL: Hi, sorta working, just lurking
deedbot-: [Qntra] China Continues Forcing Stockholders To HODL - http://qntra.net/2016/01/china-continues-forcing-stockholders-to-hodl/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00050287 = 10.0574 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9971 @ 0.00049848 = 4.9703 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: I dunno, that might work considering the trendy software shit functions as a fiat blowoff valve
pete_dushenski: o really ?
pete_dushenski: the more sensible solution is import more brown dudes, undercutting all the pimply basement dwellers with "ideas" for getting rich
pete_dushenski: pakis can inflate housing markets just as well
pete_dushenski: if not better, seeing as how white kids are used to lavish finished basements all to themselves and aren't used to the sardine lifestyle
BingoBoingo: But they tend to blow off some value into brown countries which is of undetermined value for fiat system.
pete_dushenski: 18% wu rates is a pretty determined value
BingoBoingo: What now people care about keeping the telegraph company afloat?
pete_dushenski: wu shareholders, sure
pete_dushenski: like retirees who can't say no to that 15 cent dividend
assbot: How China Sees the Risky Path Ahead With Taiwan | The National Interest ... ( http://bit.ly/1Z6iwCC )
pete_dushenski: wonder how long china will let taiwan make its asics for 'bitfury'
mats: could be 99 years, could be 9
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361440 << funny pic. translation asciilifeform, phf ?
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 04:45:22; asciilifeform: http://s1.radikali.ru/uploads/2014/7/22/762e6fd081dc7c6efc761b767ceb7958-full.jpg << related.
pete_dushenski: mats: until bitbet accepts >1 year off bets, we may never know :P
pete_dushenski: http://i2.wp.com/jackbaruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/germancoupe.jpg?zoom=2&resize=510%2C426 << "At the risk of being indelicate, what you see there is nothing more or less than what happens when women become tired of feminized men. West German society spent seventy years trying to kill its vicious, nationalist inner demons and this is the result: nice young men who would never think about invading Belgium but
pete_dushenski: so can’t quite keep their women interested. Look in the eyes of that crazy broad and tell me you think that my homebody with the beard there is sleeping alone. Just the body language of the two men indicates who’s going to wind up tapping that ass in the long run."
assbot: The Sons Rise – Riverside Green ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4IwiD )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00049848 = 1.4954 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357379 <--> "The price tag for housing, feeding and caring for a prisoner in California has climbed to almost $64,000 annually, up from $49,000 five years ago. Per prisoner, the state spends more than three times the amount it did 20 years ago when the population was a similar size."
assbot: Logged on 31-12-2015 15:35:16; asciilifeform: so to return to mircea_popescu's wild supposition, the answer is no - it is much CHEAPER to house a prisoner or pay a guard in usaschwitz than in, e.g., su
pete_dushenski: ^latest data
pete_dushenski: "When asked why the corrections budget hasn’t decreased, California officials often point to a court order to improve inmate medical care. In 2013, responding to the mandate, the state opened a new medical facility in Stockton, called the California Healthcare Facility, designed for inmates needing long-term inpatient medical care and intensive mental health services. The facility costs approximately $295 million a
pete_dushenski: y. The state has also faced increased costs for prescription medications, including $60.6 million this year for new Hepatitis C treatments." << need moar hyooman ritez!!
pete_dushenski: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361593 << 'everything has a good side. and a bad one'
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 21:00:12; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361440 << funny pic. translation asciilifeform, phf ?
jurov: sigh. namecheap is really a caricature now. clicked refresh icon in the domains list, and it replied:
jurov: The refresh process has begun. We’ll let you know when it’s complete.
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361602 << understand that this means that it costs about the SAME in actual money
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 21:09:38; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357379 <--> "The price tag for housing, feeding and caring for a prisoner in California has climbed to almost $64,000 annually, up from $49,000 five years ago. Per prisoner, the state spends more than three times the amount it did 20 years ago when the population was a similar size."
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: i do not know, ask it ?
ascii_butugychag: (you can do this as easily as i)
thestringpuller: Do i need a fully updated blockchain to pull mempool?
ascii_butugychag: on trb - yes!
ascii_butugychag: for (imho) obvious reasons
pete_dushenski: ascii_butugychag: aha (translation). and aha again (realbux).
thestringpuller: Then you can do it more easily than I :P
ascii_butugychag: this is a pretty good idea for a student project - write a thingy that connects to a node and asks for a tx
jurov: if you click on the blockcypher on the (out...) under "input consumed", you'll end up here:
assbot: BTC Transaction ebc5d768836400b1e2b4b53b13390401e904491ef9d4cb530624f9434f300705 | BlockCypher ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4K7VH )
jurov: which says this tx has been doublespent
BingoBoingo: So did Bitbet get tricked by a double spend?
jurov: only if the other one is different
jurov: if it was merely malleated, then mp just needs to spend the mined one instead
thestringpuller: jurov: ah i thought that was just a glitch.
jurov: if i'm correct, then why mircea_popescu was spending so very fresh coins?
jurov: if he was spending some old mined output this could not have happened
jurov: especially in case of bitbet such churn is not necessary
ascii_butugychag: if bitbet is sufficiently roboticized, (is it?) this kind of situation is engineerable
jurov: also, it's interesting that noone voiced on #b-a happens to be around to analyze this situation better
jurov: btw, there is "api call" link on blockcypher, so you can get detailed info from there, too
jurov: including the tx itself
thestringpuller: jurov: if you try to push it to blockr.io it says "Inputs have double spends"
ascii_butugychag: ;;later tell ben_vulpes ever work with ACL2 Theorem Prover ?
jurov: thestringpuller: yes. now go compare ebc5d7688364 with 09e82c06cc to determine if it's merely malleated
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_butugychag: or adlai, anybody ^
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: that's an improvement from blockr because they were claiming to not recognise the transaction at all yesterday
jurov: or someone truly pulled the rug from under mp
ascii_butugychag: meta-nsa demo!1111
pete_dushenski: "Apple Inc shares dropped below $100 for the first time in nearly five months on Wednesday following reports of slowing shipments of the tech company's iPhone 6S and 6S Plus." << but can still buy all of russia, right guise ?
thestringpuller: blockcypher is relaying it, but likely the miners are seeing the tx as invalid for one of the two reasons jurov stated
thestringpuller: i'll check it out in a second (don't have a full node at disposal atm)
jurov: it is definitely not relaying it if it considers the input invalid
shinohai: !up ascii_butugychag
thestringpuller: jurov: well from the explorers standpoint blockcypher doesn't care is just saying "this tx is borked look at these double spent-like errors" and then the story continues
thestringpuller: when you push to blockr.io it detects a bad input and says "I won't relay this"
jurov: relaying and showing to the web user are two different things
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361647 << apparently not enough idiots could be found to buy the $800-pNohe straight up without telco subsidy OR take the eternal rent
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 21:44:59; pete_dushenski: "Apple Inc shares dropped below $100 for the first time in nearly five months on Wednesday following reports of slowing shipments of the tech company's iPhone 6S and 6S Plus." << but can still buy all of russia, right guise ?
jurov: and i can understand the blockexplorers don't want to fill their database with invalid txen
jurov: !up mircea_popescu
thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag: i imagine you don't own a "smart-phone"
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: what made you imagine this ?
jurov: hi. dirigible moored without incident?
thestringpuller: cause its a tracker in your pocket and I see you being a private man.
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: i own an example of just about every kind of toy
thestringpuller: ah but do you use said toy?
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: l0l tracker. as if everybody did not already know where i were going to and from.
mircea_popescu: jurov eh these derps, still figuring out electricity.
thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag: http://i.imgur.com/VdW0b.gif << is this your life
mircea_popescu had 5 vans from the elec company milling about/parked all around.
mircea_popescu: sorta made me think if simpson's sperms.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7157 @ 0.00050106 = 3.5861 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: ascii_butugychag: it's more that all the idiots already have $800 iphn0es that works just fine thank you very much. new one isn't much better, watch is not cool. so : peak smartphone is a reality
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: approximately
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: only problem is after 3 generations they force the phone to become obsolete.
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: consumers are wisening up to even this. many not upgrading os despite 'sekkoority' concerns. or switch to chinese-android (yes, i've seen this happen)
ascii_butugychag: l0l turdroid bloatware crud
pete_dushenski: girl who leases $500/mo suv couldn't imagine justifying $800 iph0ne, so... bought $300 chinese thing
pete_dushenski has seen with own eyes
mircea_popescu: what suv does 500/mo get you ? honda ?
jurov: Shenzhen Scooby Communication Corp. is teh kul!
pete_dushenski: vw tiguan - small 'crossover' - like golf on stilts
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4516 @ 0.00049848 = 2.2511 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21884 @ 0.00049762 = 10.8899 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00049762 = 6.7925 BTC [-] {2}
pete_dushenski: " TransCanada Corp sued the U.S government in U.S. federal court on Wednesday, alleging President Barack Obama's rejection of the Keystone XL pipeline exceeded his power under the U.S. Constitution. Obama rejected the cross-border crude oil pipeline late last year, seven years after it was first proposed. TransCanada also filed legal action with NAFTA authorities saying the pipeline permit denial was "arbitrary and u
pete_dushenski: fied."" << mkay gl with this one
mircea_popescu: heh lost connection.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i was saying : nono, no bash yet, you missed the punchline. he bought himself a.... husqvarna!
ascii_butugychag: chainsaw?!
jurov: kakobrekla: assbot ip leaks
kakobrekla: jurov cloak does not really hide your ip either so its irrelevant
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu i suspect bb payouts were made with malleabled confirmed inputs and will never be mined for that that reason
jurov: lol digitalocean?
assbot: Husqvarna Motorcycles - Pioneering since 1903 ... ( http://bit.ly/1VK8XJo )
BingoBoingo: I thought Husqvarna was the chainsaw and undersized tractor company
jurov: BingoBoingo: they make plenty of other stuff, even sewing machines
jurov: my mom had one, we joked about it often
BingoBoingo: I had no idea they were so diversified
jurov: pity they don't make guns (but who knows)
ascii_butugychag: iirc they do
ascii_butugychag: incl. artillery pieces
BingoBoingo: Round these part's they are known as the people who make orange stuff for rural folk
pete_dushenski: not to be with rural folk ktm kit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4034 @ 0.00049762 = 2.0074 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: not to be *confused* (ironically)
BingoBoingo: !t m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.000111 / 0.000111 / 0.000111 (1025 shares, 0.11 BTC), 7D: 0.0001 / 0.00012004 / 0.00013 (2400 shares, 0.29 BTC), 30D: 0.0001 / 0.00012004 / 0.00013 (2400 shares, 0.29 BTC)
phf: they seemed to have made a bunch of very nice bolt actions including an m38 version
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pete_dushenski: http://epapers.bham.ac.uk/2100/1/cepler_working_paper_13_2015.pdf << hehe. little bro taking the crown in essay competition re : brexit.
pete_dushenski: i wonder where he got the idea to use footnotes from...
pete_dushenski did not write this paper for him, takes no credit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently they also make motorcycles.
mircea_popescu: but yeah, it's what floored me, dude you're riding a chainsaw now ?!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i guess bitcoin has a problem then.
kakobrekla: trying to resend n times wont fix it.
pete_dushenski thought world was supposed to adapt to bitcoin, not vice versa
kakobrekla: not in current implementation.
kakobrekla: you want to adapt a pile of cpp crud ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla actually, your theory is incorrect.
mircea_popescu: the txn aren't chained. i don't do that.
mircea_popescu: all my inputs are actual inputs as found in a block, not implicit inputs as found in a txn
kakobrekla: you dont use coin control
jurov: mircea_popescu: you spent freshly created output that was not yet mined
mircea_popescu: jurov no ?
jurov: yes?
assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 09e82c06cc5fbe3c0f2c2b6a1f575e8ecbb2a92bb493ca3a318525b1eeabe2bd ... ( http://bit.ly/1OPeA3o )
mircea_popescu: if we're discussing d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9
mircea_popescu: are we ?
jurov: but it was mined just yesterday
mircea_popescu: Confirmations428 Confirmations
jurov: but you did not use it
mircea_popescu: that'd be about 3 days.
jurov: you used ebc5d768836400b1e2b4b53b13390401e904491ef9d4cb530624f9434f300705 as input instead
mircea_popescu: yes, d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9 has a single input, from 1EMmmcooTXe64SY5X3FwTC1HU1t32XLWPx
assbot: BTC Transaction ebc5d768836400b1e2b4b53b13390401e904491ef9d4cb530624f9434f300705 | BlockCypher ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4K7VH )
mircea_popescu: look : there's)
mircea_popescu: (at all times) an infinity of txids corresponding to any transaction floating around
mircea_popescu: seeing how one signs THE ADDRESS not the fucking txid, this is irrelevant
jurov: how comes then, the only blockexplorer that shows the txt, says it's spending invalid output?
mircea_popescu: i am not in the business of debugging the blockchain, really. i am in the business of making payments. i can in fact prove that i did sign a transaction, from an address that had the coin, to the addresses that should get it.
kakobrekla: im saying what jurov is saying and it would explain pretty much whole behavior
mircea_popescu: beyond this... what am i to do ?
mircea_popescu: if it explains the behaviour or not isn't really all that germane.
jurov: refresh the wallet, resend
mircea_popescu: because...
kakobrekla: i fell in the same tarpit with not too long ago.
mircea_popescu: seems bitcoin needs to be fixed.
kakobrekla: by accident.
kakobrekla: it was clear for a long time its broked.
jurov: because you used not yet confirmed coins and someone malleated their transaction
mircea_popescu: jurov the coins i used were confirmed.
jurov: when you issued the tx?
mircea_popescu: again : 428 Confirmations, aboutg 3 days old.
mircea_popescu: yes, when i issued the tx.
mircea_popescu: but that is ALSO irrelevant : if the address had only cpoins now, the tx should go out... noe.
kakobrekla: the wallet keeps broken tx (a double spend attempt) and can use it for the next tx which wont go through, ever.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00049439 = 12.4092 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla transactions consist of a signed bitcoin address. not of a signed bitcoin txnid.
mircea_popescu: as long as the fucking address has coins and was signed, that is ALL.
mircea_popescu: and in any case that MUST be all.
kakobrekla: yes it will try to use the outputs of that broken tx
mircea_popescu: "output" means address.
mircea_popescu: "malleation" can not change address.
mircea_popescu: in fact, if anything can change output address, or if a third party can invalidate a valid txn i signed, bitcoin is dead.
kakobrekla: the client will use you change address funds which will never get confirmed.
mircea_popescu: in any case : at the time d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9 was broadcast, one of the numerous txids corresponding to its input had in fact been confirmed, for 6+ blocks.
punkman: so you used a 6+ conf output that got orphaned or what?
mircea_popescu: that what ?
mircea_popescu: no dude, it's not orphaned or anything. it's in the chain. again, 400+ fucking confirmations should mean something.
kakobrekla: you make a txid T1 which gets phucked and your wallet ends up with a confirmed T2 and unconfirmed T1. this T1 stays in the wallet forever if you dont do anything to it. the client may select that never-to-be-confirmed T1 change address at any time in the future if you dont not-use it specifically.
mircea_popescu: T is irrelevant for this discussion. i send btc to address x. this confirms. what t it has does not matter. i send btc from address x. this fails to be included.
mircea_popescu: there is not an acceptable explanation for why this should happen. in fact, it may not happen. period.
kakobrekla: T is relevant because unconfirmed coins on the change address are ok to be sent.
kakobrekla: even if they arent there any more.
mircea_popescu: then you should say "i see a doublespend on your input for tx d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9"
mircea_popescu: unless you can say that you've nothing to say.
mircea_popescu: a transaction that spends bitcoin from an address, that is signed and that has the bitcoin may never be rejected.
kakobrekla: yes but perhaps the client selected T2 in the next transaction you made and T1 in the transaction after that.
kakobrekla: and i mean the change addresses
punkman: inputs reference txids not adresses, do they not?
mircea_popescu: this is irrelevant. txids are not part of transactions.
kakobrekla: CHANGE ADDRESS
mircea_popescu: inputs reference addresses.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i dun get it ?
kakobrekla: ferfuxake
mircea_popescu: explain like i'm five omaigerd!
jurov: no, addresses are irrelevant
pete_dushenski just choked on popcorn
danielpbarron: a transaction must refer to specific other transactions, or is a miner supposed to decide which coin days to destroy?
jurov: input is a reference to an output from a previous transaction. output is: a hash of a previous transaction + Index of the specific output in the referenced transaction.
mircea_popescu: motherfucker what ?!
punkman: lol
pete_dushenski: also, "mircea_popescu: Fucking horrid terminology, we really shouldn’t be in a situation where input and output means the same thing."
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mircea_popescu: input is... what ?!
mircea_popescu: i'm fucking queasy.
jurov: i messed that up as usual... so adgain: input is: a hash of a previous transaction + Index of the specific output in the referenced transaction.
pete_dushenski: speaking of nothing, are s.nsa and s.mg statements en route ?
mircea_popescu: oh god damned. WHO THE FUCK DID THIS!
mircea_popescu: what the fuck sort of braindamaged zombie idiot designs things like this ;/
punkman: and output is value + scriptpubkey
mircea_popescu: i never afore today realised this braindamage is actually in there ;/
kakobrekla: if it werent so you could just phuck a txid and respend the address multiple time given it has balance
mircea_popescu: here asciilifeform, even more stuff to fix off your father's bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla and one would be mined and that'd be that.
mircea_popescu: and it'd be right an' proper.
mircea_popescu: this arrangement reminds me of mr bean's car door latch.
kakobrekla: no, because <mircea_popescu> a transaction that spends bitcoin from an address, that is signed and that has the bitcoin may never be rejected.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29956 @ 0.00049551 = 14.8435 BTC [+] {3}
pete_dushenski: mr. bean had 3-wheeled 'reliant robin' iirc
kakobrekla: anyway i have a headache and im hungry so bbl.
mircea_popescu: nah, he drove a sort of british trabant. kept causing someone else's robin to overturrn
pete_dushenski: or right, austin mini
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22210 @ 0.0005022 = 11.1539 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: thanks for teh effort kakobrekla jurov.
mircea_popescu: ima have the thing rescanned and resent. but god damned this has to be fixed omfg.
kakobrekla: rescan did not help me
mircea_popescu: what did you do ?
kakobrekla: phucked txes did not get removed from wallet file with rescan
mircea_popescu: soooo....
kakobrekla: used a backup
mircea_popescu: hahahaha WHAT THE FUCK
pete_dushenski: reliant robin is an excellent example of bitcoin as it works today : looks to have the right parts but has them in the wrong order and as a result it doesn't quite work as intended. compare this with the morgan 3-wheeler, which is perhaps where trb is headed, which has the same parts, but not welded together by apes.
punkman: electrum or other wallet should also work
kakobrekla: yes you need to remove bad txes from wallet.dat by removing them with some wallet inspector tool or use a backup from before bad txes came in
kakobrekla: that was what i observed
mircea_popescu: yeah, right, spending the 10's of k's to fix this is not good enough, ima commit to endless millions to have electrum audited to production environment level.
mircea_popescu: any other ideas while i'm throwing away money ?
punkman: do it by hand
pete_dushenski feels fortunate to not be in physical proximity to mp rage atm.
kakobrekla: btw at some point 'zapwallettxes' was added to bitcoind
kakobrekla: i have not tested it yet but this is suppose to fix that
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla fancy, "use a backup". yes, i have backups. and how the fuck do i identify which payments of the HUGE batch of bitbet payments for end of year were made and which weren't, so i don't end up doublepaying ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i'm not tracking prb.
kakobrekla: if you have the addresses you will get the txes
kakobrekla: in the wallet
kakobrekla: > unconfirmed transactions relating to your own wallet addresses are stored not only in the memory pool, but in wallet.dat, so a restart won't clear them. To accomplish that, you can start bitcoind with the recently added -zapwallettxes option. This will cause bitcoind to forget all transactions associated to your addresses, and rescan the block chain to reconstruct them. In particular, any unconfirmed transactions will be forgotten and
kakobrekla: not reconstructed.
kakobrekla: re that zapwallet
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu as long as the backup contains all the used change addresses you are ok
mircea_popescu: gotta get a COMPETENT accountant to sit down and make a full list on fucking papert and then croiss them out and etc.
kakobrekla: yeah that prolly.
mircea_popescu: we're talking ~400k fiats here or some shit.
mircea_popescu: well... so bitbet update : we went from "bitcoin is broken, will be fixed at an unspecified future date no earlier than 2020" to "bitcoin is borken, we might have a circumvention in place before the year is out".
pete_dushenski: and the crowds go wild
mircea_popescu: fucking bs.
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> no, because <mircea_popescu> a transaction that spends bitcoin from an address, that is signed and that has the bitcoin may never be rejected. << once one's accepted [some of] the others no longer are discussing an address that has the btc.
mircea_popescu: this is the correct format for a bitcoin transaction : "address i[1..n] send their total contents as follows : B1 to address j1, B2 to address j2, Bm to address jm. therefore signed."
kakobrekla: you can have multiple unspent outputs on an address, say 3x 1btc
kakobrekla: sign to move 1 btc from that address to another
kakobrekla: phuck tx and respend.
kakobrekla: also, if you do not change something in the process of paying out bbet winning this thing is bound to repeat sooner or later.
kakobrekla: "send their total contents as follows" now i noted the 'total' - then you must never reuse an address.
asciilifeform: ohforfuxxxxsake
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 23:42:35; mircea_popescu: i am not in the business of debugging the blockchain, really. i am in the business of making payments. i can in fact prove that i did sign a transaction, from an address that had the coin, to the addresses that should get it.
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu - or anybody else - wants ~provably working~ bitcoin - he would have to...
asciilifeform: pay for it to happen.
asciilifeform: alternatively wait 10,000 years for a hero to be born who doesn't need to eat or sleep
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64000 @ 0.00049275 = 31.536 BTC [-] {4}
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361792 << this is only true if you have a correctly-implemented bitcoinatron
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 23:57:31; mircea_popescu: a transaction that spends bitcoin from an address, that is signed and that has the bitcoin may never be rejected.
asciilifeform: which NOBODY (publicly) does
asciilifeform: and apparently not mircea_popescu either
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 00:06:03; mircea_popescu: i never afore today realised this braindamage is actually in there ;/
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361822 << lulzily i just put in a long hard day laying the foundations of a provably-correct $boringwidget for $censoredrichfolks
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 00:06:18; mircea_popescu: here asciilifeform, even more stuff to fix off your father's bitcoin.
asciilifeform: but srsly, to 'fix' this, it is actually necessary to burn down the whole tard edifice
asciilifeform: and rewrite with sanity
asciilifeform: and for all i know, some not-especially-talkative fella, perhaps even in the same shop where i work, is doing this
asciilifeform: for satan.
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 00:09:03; kakobrekla: phucked txes did not get removed from wallet file with rescan
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 00:10:34; mircea_popescu: yeah, right, spending the 10's of k's to fix this is not good enough, ima commit to endless millions to have electrum audited to production environment level.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu seriously thinks that he can get a monkey to correctly re-engineer the entire orchestra ?
asciilifeform: i know more or less nothing about mircea_popescucoin, but from what i recall, the item he has now is the result of having attempted this very 'c0d3rz are fungible and 10s of k usd actually buys something' thing in the past, and ended up with... this
asciilifeform: !up Leviathn
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361864 << you can get adacoin for less than this, likely
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 00:16:10; mircea_popescu: we're talking ~400k fiats here or some shit.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361862 << next thing after this is you build an oar-powered passenger plane
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 00:15:36; mircea_popescu: gotta get a COMPETENT accountant to sit down and make a full list on fucking papert and then croiss them out and etc.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no, the only thing an address can do is send its whole contents.
kakobrekla: not at the moment.
mircea_popescu: yeah well.
mircea_popescu: protocol suffers from the same pass-by-reference issues the codebase suffers from.
asciilifeform: thing is, answering the question of 'what balance has address A at time t' is an O(N) operation on the whole motherfucking blockchain
asciilifeform: and much of the gnarl in this thread stems from attempts to somehow work around this fact
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski re the missing reports : i do intend to publish them asap. been delayed by an assortment of issues such as argentinian power, bitbet adventures etc. they'll get there.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the correct solution is to keep a table.
mircea_popescu: fundamental problem here is that bitcoin started life trying to be "gold for the poor".
mircea_popescu: you gotta choose. either for the poor and then shit, or else gold but not for the poor.
asciilifeform: i'm not convinced that rich people actually exist yet
mircea_popescu: i am however convinced tghat i have no use for shit.
asciilifeform: (or, any more)
mircea_popescu: if i were anyone else other than me i'd have a head the size of kamcheatka by now.
mircea_popescu: this is like the 20th dude.
asciilifeform: how many dude A vs dude B ?
jurov: mircea_popescu: to get rid of blockchain and address problems, and have richcoin, just use csv file with noodles of gpg signatures
mircea_popescu: oh i stop counting the A's. 1-200 ?
asciilifeform: jurov: already baked. it's called hawala
mircea_popescu: jurov dun hate on me just because i'm an asshole!
jurov: lolk
mircea_popescu: the point fucking stands : the only correct solution to the problem is have nodes keep a table of balances.
mircea_popescu: annoying problems don't go away just because we don't want to have them.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's still O(N)
asciilifeform: calculating the ~actual answer~, that is
mircea_popescu: no because you just update it
asciilifeform: you can try to cheat, eys
jurov: asciilifeform: mirca just decreed nobody will ever need more than N addresses
mircea_popescu: rebuild table on "resync"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is like saying that all problems are O(1) - true! if you already know the answer!
mircea_popescu: jurov what "body" "needs" ain't got the substance of ghost spit yo!
mircea_popescu: this is all THAT CAN BE HAD
jurov: perhaps N=640k , even :D
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thing is that you also have to 'rebuild table' when various other things happen - orphaned chains (phorkletz!), the idiot malleation thing, and possibly other
asciilifeform: and EACH rebuild is O(N)
asciilifeform: where N is however long it's been between the two doubted points
mircea_popescu: you're telling me the apple's up in the tree as if i was the one that put it there.
mircea_popescu: it's where it is! what am i to do ?
asciilifeform: depends on how badly mircea_popescu needs to take the apple in
asciilifeform: doesnit.
mircea_popescu: all i'm sayin' is that the current "better" solution to that problem is a) worse and b) unspecifiedly so.
asciilifeform: even knowing how allergic mircea_popescu is to 'meta' and 'must X before Y', i will still say that items such as this remain because we do not have a clean operating room
asciilifeform: that is, 'codebase' that doesn't immediately frighten away everbody halfway sane
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54445 @ 0.00050305 = 27.3886 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: *everybody
mircea_popescu: no, i am in full agreement. it's not fixable for a while yet.
asciilifeform: i am in the process of working this transmogrification for pgp, a CONSIDERABLY simpler animal, and am astonished every day
mircea_popescu: but i think merely the point that it's broken is worth stating. because apparently the people that understand it's broken didn't know it worked like this (me) and the people that knew how it worked... well... got seduced.
asciilifeform: seduced ?
mircea_popescu: "it's fine, it works like this"
asciilifeform: the important thing imho is to distinguish 'broken' (if only this!) from the actuality - ~~misengineered~~
mircea_popescu: it's misdesigned.
mircea_popescu: if we admit this was deliberate rather than "oh look what i can do! &^*p!"
asciilifeform: malleation doesn't happen via cosmic rayz, no.
asciilifeform: nor was the original 'feature' emplaced thereby.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, speaking of this : are you aware, for a chuckle, that leveldb "replaced" bdb in bitcoin in the sense that... not. because bdb is still linked because used for wallet.
mircea_popescu: so... "let's keep all the holes we had and add a whole new layer!"
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 00:45:07; asciilifeform: as a very wealthy usg-dod consultant once said to me, 'i don't give a flying fuck whether it is the democrats, the republicans, or the lesbians, who win'
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 00:31:31; asciilifeform: and the last time a muppet-in-chief tried to actually rule, his wife ended up picking up pieces of his head
mircea_popescu: they are mutually contradictory.
asciilifeform: how's that ?
asciilifeform: seems like they go happily together
mircea_popescu: either they care or they don't.
mircea_popescu: if they don't care then not shooting anyone. if shooting anyone, then yes they care.
asciilifeform: the elected buggers don't rule.
asciilifeform: and know better than to try.
assbot: Logged on 16-08-2014 21:39:02; asciilifeform: 'mr carter, you aren't cleared for this, and if you ask again there will be problems.'
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2014 13:57:10; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: remember the story about gorby and andropov?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361228 << lol someone is airlifting whores INTO teh ukraine ?
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 00:55:42; asciilifeform: wake me up when moscow is air-supplying oregon phortress of phreeeeedom with SAM rockets, food, and cheap whores every 48h - like usg is resupplying kiev
asciilifeform: cia is an equal-opportunity employer! (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: last i visited kharkov, nice student chicks sat topless in the windows of the "student campus" buildings, 20 dollars.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "deprives the most significant investors in companies their ability"
mircea_popescu: missing of.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00050306 = 3.1693 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 01:26:40; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1361076 << say what you like about proper-isis, but it has chix. and food. and tanks...
mircea_popescu: i guess.
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 01:42:46; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361272 < id be surprised if anyone outside ba even uses the thing let alone mine with it. there arent any miners here.
asciilifeform: fwiw since i banned aws i get steady round-the-clock connections from cn. but i have no particular reason to think that they represent miners.
BingoBoingo: ty fxd
asciilifeform: (on all 3 trb nodes under my flag)
BingoBoingo: Also checking the spam que, fucking NBA and Lebron James are spamming SEO to their actual domains
asciilifeform: l0l those are spam keywordz!
asciilifeform: just me seeing those strings on my screen is a bug.
mircea_popescu: " and then you look at the code and it's the same set of aggressive, google employed queergenders." << actually yes.
mircea_popescu: google is much more successful than ms ever was at "shit on open source".
asciilifeform revved up a lispatron this week and noticed what phf was speaking of
mircea_popescu: and since they own 1/13 or so of the fed printing press, they can keep "paying them" to do it.
asciilifeform: microshit is slowly getting into the game, but their 'open sores' only run on microshit and hence easily ignored by sane folk
asciilifeform for the lulz, actually went and installed visualstudio-for-linux! it builds strictly c#
asciilifeform: and is a smoking pile of rubbish
asciilifeform: mega-unsurprise.
mircea_popescu: how can it "strictly" ?
asciilifeform: no c compiler in there
mircea_popescu: so how is it for linux ?
mircea_popescu: do they have a C# linux ?
asciilifeform: they built it for linux
asciilifeform: with what they bootstrapped the build, i do not know
mircea_popescu: i do not understand.
asciilifeform: well they have a 'dotnet' runtime for lin
mircea_popescu: what linux ?
asciilifeform: which was bootstrapped, presumably, in c/asm
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> l0l those are spam keywordz! << But url is nba website's lebron james profile
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it started up on a sacrificial gentoo box without complaint
mircea_popescu: but that box included c compiler no ?
asciilifeform: whatever they built it on, most certainly (unless it was hand-carved in asm)
asciilifeform: but the turd ~itself~ will not compile c/cpp.
mircea_popescu: oh, wait. it's a large binary turd that somehow runs as a binary turd on your gentoo ?
asciilifeform: believe or not.
mircea_popescu: this is so dumb it takes three passes to take in
asciilifeform: this is not an impossible feat.
asciilifeform: (there is, e.g., 'steam', for linux, iirc)
asciilifeform: and for that matter, trb.
mircea_popescu: heh. myeah.
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 03:36:41; dbclk: and i like trading to be honest apart from the fact i'm loosing money
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 01:42:13; BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> l0l those are spam keywordz! << But url is nba website's lebron james profile
asciilifeform: at least from my pov
BingoBoingo: Das Racis
BingoBoingo: Perfect name for a boat
asciilifeform: just like i will quite likely never, under any conceivable turn of events, give half a fuck about 'louis vuitton'
asciilifeform: as far as i'm concerned, that string is an instant classifier for spammitude
asciilifeform: in fact, for many years i had no idea what it referred to outside of spam.
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 03:43:44; dbclk: and you also dont use patterns as well? anyone here use trading patterns?
assbot: Holy shit! Technical Analysis is real! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PLchSi )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform u a mysogenist bro ?
asciilifeform: the intersection of females i give half a phuq about and the set that have any truck with l v is null
asciilifeform: ditto lewhateverthefuckon
mircea_popescu: but do you fuck sluts ?
asciilifeform: not presently
asciilifeform: but if i took it up, would i need to study spam purses ?
asciilifeform: i don't hunt polar bears, either. and yes, i know that it is possible, provided that one rearranges his life in particular ways
asciilifeform: in which i'd rather not rearrange
asciilifeform: 'no phree lunch'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu fucks 10 new sluts daily but pays for this by having to think about louis vuitton
asciilifeform: and possibly even lebron.
mircea_popescu: tell you what, basescu's (ro president for many years) gal (elena udrea) spent half her time on this shit.
mircea_popescu: and she was rather competent otherwise.
asciilifeform: i was thinking of emelda marques
mircea_popescu: not quite the same. this woman actually was useful.
mircea_popescu: and recall the old thread re spending moneyz ?
mircea_popescu: to sum it up, not everyone in the wow's playing a warlock.
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2015 01:19:34; mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash"
asciilifeform: and yes.
mircea_popescu: that said, i'm null for pouches. and "i know shoes" but not in the sense chicks usually mean.
asciilifeform: relative of mine once took - very worn - pair of american shit-shoes to an old ru emigre shoemaker, asked 'what he could do.' the wizened master replied: 'i can throw these out for you'
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla if people are still emailing you re bitbet : it seems currently that the whole shebang should be done before the weekend. with apologies to all the users who got their payouts delayed.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller / shinohai / whoever has a tardstalk acct, plox let 'em know too kthx.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361515 << aka "i'm a 100% remora working at attaching myself to the republic on behalf of the empire".
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 15:46:58; ascii_butugychag: 'Filippo Valsorda. I'm Italian and I work on the CloudFlare Security Team in London. I built the public Heartbleed test and I mess with cryptography. Public speaker. Motorbike rider. Frequent flyer. Hacker School F'13.'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever wonder, how come these folks never turn ?
asciilifeform: why never 'i am filippo remora and i am tired of this shit, here is a copy of my marching orders and quarterlies for past 5 yrs'
mircea_popescu: do you ever wonder why ambitious but lazy, fat but stupid "feminists" "genderqueer" blabla never win miss america ?
mircea_popescu: for one thing, they're too old. for the other... wut ?
mircea_popescu: you clearly have never run a shitshop.
asciilifeform: too old?!
mircea_popescu: who the fuck do you think gives the scum "orders" ?
asciilifeform: hitler?
mircea_popescu: you think the verbose explanation provided by the evil guy in b movies is irl ?
asciilifeform: but if the snowden2 slides are genuine, we know approx what it looks like.
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361860 << I couldn't get this pheature working in 0.7.x using 0.9 series code, ended up just making 0.7-ish low-s sign because malleation is annoying
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 00:14:58; kakobrekla: re that zapwallet
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at any rate, the scum are not undirected, they have objectives
asciilifeform: granted, sometimes they are directed in the same sense as a pirannha pit
asciilifeform: (e.g., the 'aggressive queer-gendered' google folks, they are picked for being militant tards and given free rein)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361537 << very typical wwweb-ism, this. "wikipedia is correct because that's what we've read on wikipedia".
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 16:03:37; ascii_butugychag: 'This is annoying if, as sometimes happens, the most important aspect is a singularity. Worse is the view offered by fans of the program (not necessarily WRI employees!) that an answer is correct because it is what Mathematica computes, and any view to the contrary is the fault of the user (perhaps for misunderstanding the documentation.)'
asciilifeform: hey goes back to at least aristotle
asciilifeform: google open sores works rather like 'here have a bag of $$$, do whatever you like, but you can be poettering and you definitely cannot be jurov, asciilifeform, ben_vulpes'
asciilifeform: though possibly today they take a shorter-leash approach, i have nfi.
mircea_popescu: so what are they going to "publish" ?
BingoBoingo spzs that alternative to burn it all down right now, is make less retarded "electrum server/wallet" software pair. server runs with node, wallet runs on machine connected with rs-232, bitcoind relays transaction and feeds server blockchain
asciilifeform: them - nothing
mircea_popescu: that "mp is mean" ? we know. that "being sensitive is nice and vice-versa" ? we also know.
mircea_popescu: they got nuttin.
asciilifeform: but occasionally a real person gets recruited into muppet corps by mistake ?
assbot: BITBET.US - Delay in JAN 2016 payments ... ( http://bit.ly/1PLdM2N )
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 02:03:27; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla if people are still emailing you re bitbet : it seems currently that the whole shebang should be done before the weekend. with apologies to all the users who got their payouts delayed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ocasionally an elephant takes flight with a flock of passing geese
mircea_popescu: by mistake.
asciilifeform: not quite same
mircea_popescu: ty shinohai
mircea_popescu: from where i sit it seems da same.
asciilifeform: pretty much EVERY thinking fella working for a living in usaschwitz is doing SOMETHING usgtronic.
asciilifeform: even if indirectly.
asciilifeform: just like in su.
mircea_popescu: every elephant lives under where birds fly. yes.
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 16:03:08; asciilifeform: 'Martin and Mitchell's effects reveal their interest and activity in photography, music, Russian language, French, and travel. Mitchell also possesses much athletic and sporting equipment, firearms, and a large liquor supply.'
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 15:46:13; asciilifeform: 'Martin is said to have criticized American women and marital laws. Martin and Mitchell have both been described as socially awkward and Mitchell has been described as unsophisticated and naive about the practical world.' (p.60)
asciilifeform: once in a while - the elephant lights rocket in his arse and yes, flies.
asciilifeform: with the motherfucmking eagles.
asciilifeform: at least - temporarily.
asciilifeform: better example of 'real person serving as muppet flees and tells interesting things' is rezun
asciilifeform: in fact, a great many of the su defectors
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361578 << yeah, not bad on paper, like every other solution to the prisoner's dilemma.
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 20:44:23; pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/pierre_rochard/status/684440597726412800 << more marbles leaking.
asciilifeform: hey let's boycott food and shelter !
asciilifeform: that'll do it.
asciilifeform: that way we can get commyooonizm in 1980!
asciilifeform: or sumthing.
mircea_popescu: would bring rents down...
asciilifeform: surely!
asciilifeform: incidentally this is not any more OR less ridiculous than 'go shoot a cop'
asciilifeform: same 'just fuckin do it!111' non-solution to prisoner's dilemma.
mircea_popescu: aha. i didn't say it was ridiculous, either.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361583 << much better. recall my "send your teen to live in africa for a year, take african teen in for a year" ?
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 20:48:23; pete_dushenski: if not better, seeing as how white kids are used to lavish finished basements all to themselves and aren't used to the sardine lifestyle
mircea_popescu: the experience'd benefit western idjit kids immensely.
mircea_popescu: straightn out basic things such as "am i overweight" "what is rape" etc.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361596 << there's nothing nice about them and they aren't men.
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 21:02:34; pete_dushenski: http://i2.wp.com/jackbaruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/germancoupe.jpg?zoom=2&resize=510%2C426 << "At the risk of being indelicate, what you see there is nothing more or less than what happens when women become tired of feminized men. West German society spent seventy years trying to kill its vicious, nationalist inner demons and this is the result: nice young men who would never think about inva
mircea_popescu: infantilized drone barely capable to serve as a man's prince albert.
asciilifeform: what, even the muscular fella in the centre ?
mircea_popescu: that guy is from lebanon.
mircea_popescu: the german kid is on the left.
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 21:18:47; jurov: sigh. namecheap is really a caricature now. clicked refresh icon in the domains list, and it replied:
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform basically, 10 yos didn't have a daddy, will get a daddy when they're 20. for them and the wife.
asciilifeform: l0l what wife.
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 21:21:57; ascii_butugychag: this is a pretty good idea for a student project - write a thingy that connects to a node and asks for a tx
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the woman that is there to dock his paychecks later on.
mircea_popescu: very easy for western muppet to get married. ask ukr chick.
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 21:35:48; ascii_butugychag: if bitbet is sufficiently roboticized, (is it?) this kind of situation is engineerable
mircea_popescu: for that reason.
asciilifeform: yeah but is the manual component any kind of barrier against it presently.
asciilifeform: (does somebody actually walk the wallet by hand? apparently not!)
mircea_popescu: it's complicated.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361881 << holding a billion dollars worth of funbux IS PAYING !111!1
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 00:42:19; asciilifeform: pay for it to happen.
mircea_popescu: this is how one "pays for company to happen" : holds shares.
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 00:33:00; kakobrekla: also, if you do not change something in the process of paying out bbet winning this thing is bound to repeat sooner or later.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361903 << ~1k coins being paid out, was the point. somewhat under.
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 01:01:34; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361864 << you can get adacoin for less than this, likely
mircea_popescu: anyway, re german penis ornaments : in fairness merely a coupla centuries ago their grandfathers went to congo or wherever and used the local boys in exactly the same manner, and for exactly the same reason.
mircea_popescu: nature's the ultimate fairness.
assbot: REVEALED: 1,000+ Migrants Brawl, Rape, Sexually Assault, And Steal At ONE German Train Station On New Year's Eve ... ( http://bit.ly/1mHybvR )
mircea_popescu: germany had it's own rotherham.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53500 @ 0.00049879 = 26.6853 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 02:40:55; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361903 << ~1k coins being paid out, was the point. somewhat under.
mircea_popescu: anyway, jack baruth dude's puttign way too much pressure on the kid.
mircea_popescu: manhood is all about lazy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's a large pile of transactions bitbet is making, which are the topic of that conversation.
asciilifeform: ah them
asciilifeform: i misread as mircea_popescu having paid somebody 1kbtc to work on mircea_popescucoin.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362174 << i can print and 'hodl' ten quintillion shares in an imaginary interstellar shipping company, does not bring ftl flight any closer
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 02:38:57; mircea_popescu: this is how one "pays for company to happen" : holds shares.
mircea_popescu: but if you print them and i hodl them, i will be correct in saying that i invested their value in ftl flight.
mircea_popescu: poor investment as that may be.
asciilifeform: if you paid something for them - yes
asciilifeform: then, unless i catastrophically misunderstand, you invested whatever it was that you paid.
mircea_popescu: mno. that pov is "pot-investment". ie, since i put 5 dollars in the pot, i own 5 dollars in the pot.
mircea_popescu: the value is whatever you could get for them.
asciilifeform is 'poorfag' and reasons in such terms, yes
mircea_popescu: which is why whether i bought a bitcoin for a dollar or for a thousand, my current holding value for a bitcoin is still whatever ELSE i could get for a bitcoin
mircea_popescu: "2) a large fleet of submarines currently being equipped with supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles (a capability the US Navy still lacks) for holding the “barbarians” at a distance from the fight;" << heh. let's best not talk about that.
asciilifeform: incidentally note the lack of a 'naval isis'
asciilifeform: something about supersonic sea rockets that seems to favour mega-state, mega-surprise
mircea_popescu: this has been a historical problem of the arabs.
mircea_popescu: couldn't sail for shit.
asciilifeform: and note how the golden age of piracy ended.
asciilifeform: and ever watch those little clips on youtube of what happens when ru navy runs into somalis ?
mircea_popescu: by spain going bankrupt ?
mircea_popescu: i dun watch youtubeh.
asciilifeform: while one or more mega-states remain standing - they own the sea.
asciilifeform: and air.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00049731 = 11.4879 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: (in the same way, and for same reason, as btc mining)
mircea_popescu: spain was megastate, owned nothing.
mircea_popescu: again : nobody owns the free man.
asciilifeform: megastate was not invented.
asciilifeform: ferdinand did not have panopticon.
mircea_popescu: looky : you can try and package this until the cows come home. there shall never be an acceptable excuse.
mircea_popescu: freedom's inside.
asciilifeform: if that were the only kind that counted, folks would be happy to wear the napoleon hat at the nuttery
asciilifeform: while... phreeeee inside!111
mircea_popescu: not what i said in any sense.
asciilifeform: then what means 'freedom's inside'
mircea_popescu: freedom's inside as in "by the fact that your plane's landing in your building will you know the free man".
mircea_popescu: not freedom's inside as in the pic of two dudes from earlier.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu might just be the last free man left standing and i notice that he isn't in much of a hurry to fly into anything quite yet
mircea_popescu: you got your system o' coordinates wrong.
mircea_popescu: everything's, to date, very fucking carefully avoided flying into me.
mircea_popescu: which explains how come it still is here.
asciilifeform: except for that one fella who molested the bitbet britneychain ?
asciilifeform: or fried the old mpex disks ?
mircea_popescu: plenty of close encounters, like with everything else.
mircea_popescu: but why am i so important anyway ?
mircea_popescu: things are what they are indifferent of me.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52543 @ 0.00049731 = 26.1302 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: are they ?
mircea_popescu: if tomorrow i go marry p diddy and dedicate my days to writing pop-rap, exactly nothing will have changed on this score.
asciilifeform: mebbe we all get gc'd if mircea_popescu gets switched off.
mircea_popescu: what's gc'd again ?
asciilifeform: garbagecollected
asciilifeform: mark'n'sweep.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30174 @ 0.00050311 = 15.1808 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.00050477 = 13.0231 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10449 @ 0.00050479 = 5.2746 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23250 @ 0.00050514 = 11.7445 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00050519 = 9.4976 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00049708 = 1.8641 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53250 @ 0.0004967 = 26.4493 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 439.99, vol: 7914.88388458 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 437.749, vol: 6883.73852 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 440.55, vol: 22428.33726691 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 438.108083, vol: 56351.94240000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 437.13, vol: 53.52266739 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 441.456, vol: 41.83891888 | Volume-weighted last average: 438.826307837
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13845 @ 0.00050519 = 6.9944 BTC [+]
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