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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: wut
ben_vulpes: u herd it here phurst!
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 23:28:43; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338106 << ironically, macri intends to pay.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'd not waste the time.
deedbot-: [Qntra] Silk Road Fallout Updates - http://qntra.net/2015/12/silk-road-fallout-updates/
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11373 @ 0.00048831 = 5.5535 BTC [-]
deedbot-: [Qntra] RBG Black Rebel Sentenced For Tweeting Link And Boosting Website Traffic - http://qntra.net/2015/12/rbg-black-rebel-sentenced-for-tweeting-link-and-boosting-website-traffic/
BingoBoingo: ^ Facts of that case are a loller
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asciilifeform: 'In 2014, Mr. Bridges was selected by the USSS HQ to serve as the first full-time agent to the National Security Agency. In this capacity, he represented the USSS in connection to investigations that had an international nexus or cyber security concerns.'
asciilifeform: ^ afaik this is the first public ray of light re: nsa in the sr affair
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo et al ^
assbot: Logged on 03-12-2015 07:21:45; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu toominimium threw a loller in your direction http://qntra.net/2015/08/concerns-for-the-toomim-brothers-mining/#comment-79924
liquidassets: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-12-2015#1335860 <<never really understood why Pete or anybody would 'trade' s.mpoe, but that's coming from a stodgy buy and holder.
assbot: Logged on 03-12-2015 16:38:47; pete_dushenski: i guess the pace of trading is part of the 'feeling' but that alone is not what makes trading s.mpoe worthwhile.
adlai: liquidassets: some own gold mines, some prefer to study geology, and others still prefer to wade into the river and filter the dust out themselves
adlai prefers fleets of asteroid-mining drones
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15161 @ 0.00048761 = 7.3927 BTC [+] {3}
liquidassets: oh cool, are you into drones or something?
adlai: well it began by trying to 'trade', but i realized very quickly that i have no clue what i'm doing, and it's much easier to evolve a fleet of drones that do
adlai: "easier", assuming that you already know how to build and fly them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00047995 = 12.0947 BTC [-] {3}
adlai: liquidassets: but the simple answer to why people trade is because they get something out of it
adlai: the exact nature of the something varies across traders (and across time for each individual), but there's always https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuNVJ26oCKQ
assbot: One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest At least I tried PL - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ofnd7k )
liquidassets: I assume the point would be to increase your btc or s.mpoe holdings but the assets themselves can't even be priced correctly for the foreseeable future
liquidassets: I've never done algo trading, it seems like a lot of work especiallyl because 'don't know how to build or fly'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.00048779 = 6.1218 BTC [+] {3}
liquidassets: IMO there's got to be better uses of your time than re-creating what we already have in bezzlelandia. Creating bots that trade DERIVATIVES of bitcoin this early introduces a layer of complexity prematurely IMO. But maybe someone more knowledgeable on the subject can correct me.
liquidassets: I suppose if it can be done it must
adlai: my hypothesis is building tools that treat markets as positive-sum games makes the prophecy come true
adlai: of course there are better uses of my time, such as arguing on irc :P
adlai: although adjusting and repricing trade offers in plaintext is actually quite similar
liquidassets: don't listen to me adlai, I'm just thinking outloud. What really impresses me is how much work is produced by the people in here.
liquidassets: Impressive and inspiring enough for me to re-arrange my life and schedule to meet the demands of coming here each day
deedbot-: accepted: 1
BingoBoingo: ^ Trademark filing jsut because
adlai: arguably... building better versions of bezzlecave's wallshadows is a mitzvah
BingoBoingo: See what you two made me do with your conversation
liquidassets: hopefully having something to contribute at some point....everything I know about computers..which is now barely above nothing.. I learned here first
BingoBoingo: liquidassets: Wanna collaborate on building S.PartialFoods ???
adlai: S.LENT
assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1RBFKAb )
liquidassets: Are you kidding?
liquidassets: Is this something thats been swimming in the old noodle for awhile?
BingoBoingo: Well, with that atitude I'm kidding/
liquidassets: Anything BingoBoingo put me to work....I've been doing summaries of the logs for a few days but wasn't really ready to disclose that, had a few other questions for the core group here about what those summaries should look like
liquidassets: But this sounds much more interesting
BingoBoingo: If you wanna work put together some pieces for qntra. Otherwise you can play in your kitchen with whey protein and beef tallow to find a palatable but less hippie vegetarian alternative to peanut butter.
liquidassets: I have plenty of people I can consult with as far as r&d
liquidassets: a piece on qntra is definitely one of my goals
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liquidassets: I've been doing some PR, linking to #b-a or writers in here on a near daily basis
BingoBoingo: Anyways it would prolly be possible to sub a dietary fat with an indigestible silicone grease for a lower calorie variant, also to really emphasize the partial in partial foods.
liquidassets: wait wut? is partial food the 'cause'? or is there some reason for this ? lol
BingoBoingo: Or maybe try Olestra for the same purpose
BingoBoingo: It's an idea. Something to bounce around. Can the envelope be pushed even further than it has and while doing it can the boundaries of "health" food be pushed further.
BingoBoingo: ;;google sefose
gribble: 2009 Designing Greener Chemicals Award | Green Chemistry | US ...: <http://www.epa.gov/greenchemistry/2009-designing-greener-chemicals-award>; Chempol MPS Wins the 2009 Presidential Green Chemistry ...: <http://news.pg.com/press-release/pg-corporate-announcements/chempol-mps-wins-2009-presidential-green-chemistry-challeng>; Procter and Gamble Chemicals - Wikipedia, the free (1 more message)
liquidassets: got it
BingoBoingo: Oh, apparently there is an industrial marketing of Olestra already
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BingoBoingo: ;;ud Eflornithine
gribble: Google found nothing.
liquidassets: BingoBoingo what is the Astroglide substituting the tallow or the whey?
BingoBoingo: the tallow
assbot: Products – Nutwhey Inc ... ( http://bit.ly/1RBKdTt )
BingoBoingo: punkman: And yet who registered the better variant of the name
punkman: /me is also working on a food shop
liquidassets: my god the lulz suddenly overcommeth
punkman: got the tests for the first olive batch yesterday, such disappoint
punkman: might have to wait for next year
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punkman: BingoBoingo: how much does kilo of whey cost btw
BingoBoingo: punkman: Depends where in the chain you buy it.
BingoBoingo: If you go to Walmart a kilo of powder is right about $20, but can be had for more or less.
punkman: olive oil doesn't go rancid like tallow btw
BingoBoingo: I bet it can. Anyways right now I'm thinking about the low calorie version with Olestra/Sefnose/Astroglide as the lipid
punkman: why not pure whey if you are going for low calories?
BingoBoingo: Because expensive and lipids are needed to produce a nut butter consistency
BingoBoingo: Prolly also add Theobromine for the habit forming
liquidassets: oh god my side hurts
liquidassets: ok ok, it doesn't actually contain any bromine, I suppose that's a good thing
punkman: well you also get the bonus anal leakage with teh indiegestible lipids
BingoBoingo: Seriously look a peanutbutter nutrition facts. Lipids out number protein by 2x even though advertised as source of protein.
BingoBoingo: <punkman> well you also get the bonus anal leakage with teh indiegestible lipids << It means at the gymp people will really think you are putting your all into your squats
punkman: yes, that is why I don't buy peanutbutter, too tasty, too much fat
punkman: I got the idea of pistachio butter stuck in my head last few weeks though
BingoBoingo: Also gotta remember I'm not necessarily thinking about something I'd want to eat. I'm imagineering a product that could be marketed to great success and high margin
punkman: I don't see the margins, unless you can get dirt cheap whey. maybe another source of protein.
punkman: cockroach protein perhaps?
BingoBoingo: Collagen, it's what people already use to pad their protein in testing now that they know doing that with melamine gets them caught when death follow
punkman: apparently snails only have 16g of protein in 100g serving
assbot: Bulk Whey Protein Powder, Bulk Whey Protein Powder Suppliers and Manufacturers at Alibaba.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1N8P5MI )
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BingoBoingo: Honestly I dunno how an operation could dare call itself partial foods without getting the main ingredient from the shadiest looking supplier on ALiaba.com
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/iip2Z << Are those buttplugs in the picture?
punkman: needed after eating that olestra
assbot: Amazon.com : Haribo Sugar Free Gummy Bears 5LB Bag : Gummy Candy : Grocery & Gourmet Food ... ( http://bit.ly/1QsVfJS )
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assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 567 @ 0.00282134 = 1.5997 BTC [-] {9}
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punkman: just got some $150/kilo fish protein, but not pre-chewed
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assbot: Ivan Ilyin vs. the NKVD | Espionage History Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1ONji6s )
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adlai: ;;later tell bingoboingo http://dpaste.com/2XTGFNA
assbot: dpaste: 2XTGFNA ... ( http://bit.ly/1ORmTi2 )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/0YGEX67 << how ya gonna compete ben_vulpes ?
assbot: dpaste: 0YGEX67 ... ( http://bit.ly/1ONueAW )
jurov: on price, for sure!
mircea_popescu: ah right
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assbot: Logged on 08-12-2015 03:58:22; BingoBoingo: Something happened?
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assbot: Logged on 08-12-2015 06:00:01; deedbot-: [Qntra] RBG Black Rebel Sentenced For Tweeting Link And Boosting Website Traffic - http://qntra.net/2015/12/rbg-black-rebel-sentenced-for-tweeting-link-and-boosting-website-traffic/
mircea_popescu: "Shaun W. Bridges comes before the Court for sentencing on December 7, 2015, after
mircea_popescu: having pled guilty to two charges relating to his theft of bitcoins. Although Mr. Bridges’s
mircea_popescu: advisory guidelines range suggests a term of imprisonment of 57 to 71 months, the factors set
mircea_popescu: forth in 18 U.S.C. § 3553(a) (“§ 3553(a)”) suggest that a sentence no greater than 36 months
mircea_popescu: would be appropriate in this case. In a case like this one, where the defendant, a first-time
mircea_popescu: offender, has exhibited extraordinary remorse and commitment to his community, and the loss
mircea_popescu: amount does not correspond to any benefit to the defendant, it is appropriate to consider a
mircea_popescu: variance from the advisory guidelines. "
mircea_popescu: the extraordinary remorse of the sherriff of notthingham once richard showed up is truely nothing short of extraordinary.
mircea_popescu: "Mr. Bridges stands before this Court as a man of exceptional professional accomplishment. Prior to his national disgrace, he was widely respected and well-liked by his professional colleagues and in the community. This proceeding marks the final chapter of a profound tragedy, for Mr. Bridges, his family, and his friends and community – and for the United States Secret Service, to which he devoted a large part of his
mircea_popescu: professional life. "
mircea_popescu: cheeeeck the shit out.
mircea_popescu: " Mr. Bridges will be punished harshly: imprisonment and crippling financial obligations, not because of the amount still owed, but because of Mr. Bridges’ loss of potential livelihood."
mircea_popescu: "A sentence of 36 months’ imprisonment sufficiently reflects the seriousness of the offense, and at the same time takes into consideration Mr. Bridges’ prior life of accomplishment, commitment, sacrifice, and integrity, and in particular the contributions he has made to the law enforcement community. " <<< and by this novel take on the law, how many babies is it ok for obama to kill ? what if he also eats the carca
mircea_popescu: what if they're white and male ?
mircea_popescu: ima qntra it, and part of the research is reading old logs, and in those old logs... http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2013#205619
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2013 17:51:59; mircea_popescu: unfortunately for the usg, bitcoin is much larger than the united states ever could have been
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: judge gave him 71
mircea_popescu: the memo is what interests me.
asciilifeform: it was written by defense atty
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-12-2015#1338844 << every word of this is applicable in its entirety to modern stoolies and provocateurs, e.g., 'the_scourge' from last year
asciilifeform: btw when i describe 'usg aryan' the picture meant is precisely the biography of herr bridges.
asciilifeform: 'pillar of the komyooooooniti'
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asciilifeform: similar character, more well-known - robert hanssen
trinque: the part about him keeping the money in his fidelity account *so that he could return it* is pure gold
mircea_popescu: "The History and Characteristics of the Mr. Bridges " ftw.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo http://dpaste.com/2QK05J5 for qntra consideration
assbot: dpaste: 2QK05J5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1NfQkYk )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah but the problem is that the fiction in question only exists as a sales ploy.
mircea_popescu: it gets dumb white kids to throw away their lives on nonsense (while - and this is the amusing part - sniggering at the black kids who throw away their lives ON LESS nonsens-y nonsense.)
mircea_popescu: by any self-coherent measure you could ever come up with, it's way the fuck better to live your life in the hood than in the bridges.
mircea_popescu: anyway, that ilyia piece is not half bad. (i always liked the guy, as he passes the silences test). let's take the first paragraph :
mircea_popescu: "1) Why did you choose me for communicating your secret? Am I really your unconditional fellow-thinker who can be entrusted with a secret? To be your fellow-thinker, I should have known all your intimate plans against the emigration, plans you are professionally obligated to have. How and by what means will you prove to me that you are speaking with me now not as a professional provocateur from the NKVD, but as a patri
mircea_popescu: ot thinking of the nation? What unity of thought is possible between us? Unity of thought presupposes firmness of belief from two directions. If we accept that my firmness of belief is proven by my past, then your firmness of belief perished forever in your activity as a provocateur. You already can never believe yourself. What conspiracy is possible in the absence of unity of thought and firmness of belief? Really onl
mircea_popescu: y one man’s [Judas’s] conspiracy against another Man…"
mircea_popescu: translates directly to a) you're not in the wot and b) you're a redditard.
mircea_popescu: and yes, both of these are absolute bars to action. any kind of action whatsoever.
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assbot: Logged on 08-12-2015 08:13:48; BingoBoingo: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1Z9ZTJ8.txt
thestringpuller: xotika is on front page of reddit
thestringpuller: will be a lucrative listing, can't wait for the IPO
mircea_popescu waves @naphex
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-12-2015#1338902 << didja miss the part where the phiction was written by the man's own counsel ?
assbot: Logged on 08-12-2015 15:43:29; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah but the problem is that the fiction in question only exists as a sales ploy.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-12-2015#1338903 << as i understand, the usg bureaucracies are possibly the most 'multicoloured' of all usian orgs
assbot: Logged on 08-12-2015 15:44:01; mircea_popescu: it gets dumb white kids to throw away their lives on nonsense (while - and this is the amusing part - sniggering at the black kids who throw away their lives ON LESS nonsens-y nonsense.)
asciilifeform: esp. in the army.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "asciilifeform> btw when i describe 'usg aryan' the picture meant is precisely the biography of herr bridges."
mircea_popescu: on your own declaration it'd seem it's written by you.\
asciilifeform: ah that
asciilifeform: it isn't a picture of a flesh animal
mircea_popescu: and white is a state of mind.
asciilifeform: but of a stereotype, sorta like the archetypical ss aryan
mircea_popescu: cowardly, out of shape, lost in fancies.
asciilifeform: i suppose in 1890 white was a healthy thing, while black meant 'cowardly, dystrophic, lost in fancies'
asciilifeform: the timez, they changez
mircea_popescu: the very notion that "i dun wanna compete with the young" is symptomatic. really, you've somehow digested the situation where you can't compete with the kids at kids stuff and this isn't making you wantr to kill yourself ?
mircea_popescu: but yeah, in 1890 white meant "billy, don't take your guns to town".
mircea_popescu: how the fuck did that work, supposedly kids are much better at playing videogames than older ppls. cuz of the reflexes and shit, right ?
asciilifeform: it works as greenspun described.
mircea_popescu: which is this, the cichlid thing ?
mircea_popescu: now maybe im slow, but i dun see hopw that relates.
asciilifeform: it is entirely possible for an old (to a point) man to shoot better, take more physical punishment, run faster, even - than disposable cannon fodder. to a point. but the one thing that doesn't grow back is... WANTING TO. i.e. thinking that, in greenspun's words, 'the group is worth impressing' via suicidal stupidity
mircea_popescu: being white.
mircea_popescu: being white is, by and large, "not wanting to be alive anymore".
mircea_popescu: which chtonic inclination is both understandable with cultural age and certain to meet its satisfaction.
asciilifeform: this'd be possibly the one place where everybody eventually gets what he wants.
mircea_popescu: anyway, greenspun in this interpretation embodies the affliction, in how he falsely if conveniently paints a will-to-live in the terms of "impressing the group"
mircea_popescu: if you think the stotting buck is stotting "to impress the she-herd" you've spent a little too much time i nschool.
mircea_popescu: yes, the behaviour has that effect. but the buck stotts because it can, not "so as to".
asciilifeform: he is 'trying' in the same way bird 'tries' when sings
asciilifeform: the 'purpose' thing is sprayed on by foolish people, yes.
mircea_popescu: where's that french song
mircea_popescu: y a-t-il un soir, un moment ou l'on se dit c'est plus pour moi
mircea_popescu: tous les mots doux, les coups de sang... mais dans mes reves, j'y ai droit.
assbot: Patricia Kaas - Il Me Dit Que Je Suis Belle - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ICATN1 )
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assbot: National Crime Agency to review 350 cases after warrant blunders - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1HT21r6 )
punkman: "The way financial institutions file reports of suspicious transactions is in need of streamlining, the website Buzzfeed reported." ah check it out, buzzfeed getting the scoop on the telegraph
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00047651 = 6.8141 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: da fuck is a "National Crime Agency" anyway
punkman: the british "fbi" or something, can't have been around long
punkman: " became fully operational on 7 October 2013" right
mircea_popescu: heh mkay.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the geniuses have a point : it's either morloch or eloi, and the latter's the definition of crime.
nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-12-2015#1338948 << incidentally, we publish a psychedelic-dipped book of common local birds; my favourite illustration is the Black Guillemot, who is quite obviously being as loud as he fucking can, simply because he's a bird and it feels good to do so
assbot: Logged on 08-12-2015 16:23:33; asciilifeform: he is 'trying' in the same way bird 'tries' when sings
nubbins`: i like his attitude
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mircea_popescu: fortunately they're not too big, else you couldn't hear a thjing on earth.
mircea_popescu: also fortunately insects can't really afford the chemical costs of the only luminescence they got.
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-12-2015#1338863 << Ah that. College in small nowhere town near the exact middle of no where had a derpy shooting threat.
assbot: Logged on 08-12-2015 15:11:19; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-12-2015#1338710 << i dunno man, you're the missouri expert
mircea_popescu: maybe it sucks being a bird, with singing the unfortunate result of doomed attempts to scratch an overpowering itch one can't really touch
nubbins`: tbh i think they remember being dinosaurs, and they miss it.
mircea_popescu: yeah, they remember being dinosaurs like i remember being lucy, the fatass african woman.
mircea_popescu: in other lolnews, http://www.realitatea.net/sustinator-isis-retinut-la-craiova-este-acuzat-de-propaganda-jihadista_1845533.html << romanians have the same problems as the rest of the world! believe!
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nubbins`: dude, i remember that too!
nubbins`: so weird, biology
gabrielradio: mircea_popescu, radu @ piticigratis.com has a good piece about that
mircea_popescu: it's actually where i got the link.
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deedbot-: [Qntra] Bitcoin Difficulty Increases 8.77%, Pools Raise Concerns About Sanity - http://qntra.net/2015/12/bitcoin-difficulty-increases-8-77-pools-raise-concerns-about-sanity/
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> yeah, they remember being dinosaurs like i remember being lucy, the fatass african woman. << mp for someone who natively speaks a romance lang, you're not very romantic ;/
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mircea_popescu: "mp has functional genitalia, so he wouldn't be 'romantic'" << FIFY.
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deedbot-: [Qntra] Sound Money > Everything Else You Got - http://qntra.net/2015/12/sound-money-everything-else-you-got/
assbot: New Hampshire money transmitter rule change will include bitcoin businesses » Brave New Coin ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOeQ7o )
assbot: Bitcoin Foundation Board Meeting Minutes 10.20.15 | Bitcoin Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOfxNW )
nubbins`: ololol.
nubbins`: Bruce also feels like there maybe some Foundation Bitcoin lost and floating around. Brock says there are some blockchain analytics companies, it may be worthwhile to have them look at the foundation wallets in case there is bitcoin missin
mircea_popescu can 't be arsed to read that
mircea_popescu: but feel free to package a selection of lulz for qntra.
BingoBoingo: come on nubbins` everyone is doing it nao
nubbins`: these meeting minutes are fucking pathetic
nubbins`: such derp
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BingoBoingo: Cutting edge tech: "Today, there is a B-52 pilot whose father and grandfather flew the plane."
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nubbins`: lule
punkman: so doctor in meatwot got hit by ransomware, asked if I want to take a look at infected box
nubbins`: i was under the impression that kaspersky et al had snagged most of the decrypt keys?
BingoBoingo: Didja ask him about his backups
punkman: doesn't have backups, doesn't care about old patient files
BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> i was under the impression that kaspersky et al had snagged most of the decrypt keys? << For some pieces of ransomeware.
nubbins`: doesn't care about medical records o.O
nubbins`: GP or specialist?
nubbins`: or TCM?
nubbins`: (naturopath?!)
punkman: specialist? dunno
punkman: 600eur ransom, apparently knows other people that got infected and aren't paying either
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> i was under the impression that kaspersky et al had snagged most of the decrypt keys? << ha-ha.
mircea_popescu: so you read something in the newspaper, in a field you understand, it falls apart like shit in the sun.
mircea_popescu: THEN you read something else, AND YOU BELIEVE IT.
mircea_popescu: and this has been laughed at for years here, yourself included, but nevertheless.
nubbins`: tbh didn't really realize this was still a thing
nubbins`: cut me some slack, i'm essentially a luddite these days
mircea_popescu: what thing ever ceased being a thing!
mircea_popescu: but i was mostly lulzing, not serious
nubbins`: honest pay for honest work
nubbins`: wait, rhetoric. sry.
nubbins`: gross, daily mail did a story on twodogs.
nubbins`: i hope this doesn't mean their readership is gonna end up here
nubbins`: so it would appear that casascius has stopped responding to requests for PGP chains of custody
nubbins` told doofuses to get em while they could, few listened
kakobrekla: are you still hustling cas coins?
mircea_popescu: there goes that thing. one of the very few actual businesses btc-comunity stumbled on.
nubbins`: more of a passive thing these days. i've been trying to get a full set of silvers with pgp docs
nubbins`: right now i've got 4, missing 1, prob will never get it.
kakobrekla: how much is the premium on kako-owned coins?
nubbins` checks spreadsheet
nubbins`: lel jk
nubbins`: honestly baffled as to why nobody thought pedigree was important for something that's so easy to counterfeit
nubbins`: just goes to show most old-timers are lucky goofs
kakobrekla: lets put it out there; will sell kako-owned 1 cas buttcoin for 1.5 buttcoin
mircea_popescu: you got the pedigree in question ?
nubbins`: year? brass/silver?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51400 @ 0.00048328 = 24.8406 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: my wot > cas wot
kakobrekla: brass, the year dunno. somewhere at the beginning of minting
nubbins`: would prob buy it off you
nubbins`: spelling error in holo?
nubbins`: haha well check it out
nubbins`: post a couple pix when you get a chance, as long as it hasn't been chewed by a dog i'll give you 1.5 for it
mircea_popescu: in random lulz,
mircea_popescu: "Why Ubuntu you ask?
mircea_popescu: Not only is Ubuntu a great operating system, it's also very flexible and powerful enough to allow you to get up and running in no time! Note: Please restart your computer after every step. This will ensure everything is working correctly."
nubbins`: hahaha
nubbins`: EVERY STEP
nubbins`: powerful enough!
nubbins`: by this metric, a sketchbook and pencil is more powerful than any computer
nubbins`: !s dolezal
assbot: 4 results for 'dolezal' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dolezal
assbot: Rachel Dolezal Now Claiming to Be Founding Member of Bad Brains ... ( http://bit.ly/1YWVX4Z )
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu was right. this hard-fork thing forced hearn out of bitcoin
thestringpuller: now everyone hates gavin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00048456 = 12.3078 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: A Trio of Big Fat Failed Crowdfunded Projects from Fat Acceptance - NotYourGoodFatty.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOv4xl )
assbot: How many is too many teaching waivers at a public research institution? | Inside Higher Ed ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOvpQs )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170828 @ 0.00047672 = 81.4371 BTC [-] {8}
mircea_popescu: ok BingoBoingo that blog's kinda cool.
mircea_popescu: "First of tall it doesn’t talk that much money launch a website, Notyourgoodfatty.com was launched in a day for less than what Marilyn Wann probably pays for a single meal. Since July I’ve posted nearly 30 articles but a “pro activist” can’t manage to launch a simple website?"
mircea_popescu: heh... i wonder if the person could be persuaded to do a "fatties and bitcoin" corner ?
assbot: Mozilla Will Stop Developing And Selling Firefox OS Smartphones | TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1Na5VuI )
pete_dushenski: "Canada could theoretically follow the lead of other countries that have recently gone to negative interest rates in order to stimulate the economy, central bank governor Stephen Poloz told a business audience today after yet another drop in the loonie." << PLZ TO MOAR STIMULA7333 !!!1
pete_dushenski: it starts out as 'a theory', spends a while being 'debated' in the press, and then is inevitably implemented, because how not ? have to DO something, neh ?
punkman: actually had one of those phones, was worse than the crappiest of the crapdroids
pete_dushenski: punkman: ios is only mob-os
punkman: the symbian oldphones work fine
assbot: Desperately trying to put the “auto” back into automobile in a flaccid attempt to put the relevance back into motoring. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1RCPFFw )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: punkman: i always thought the nokia n95 was a nifty device, until 1st gen iphone appeared
pete_dushenski: http://www.pcmag.com/slideshow/story/307321/the-10-best-symbian-phones-ever/1 << makes me nostalgic for the days when phones looked ~different~ from one another. there was no question at that time, to a connoisseur, what brand and model you were sporting.
assbot: The 10 Best Symbian Phones Ever - Nokia N95 (April 2007) - Slideshow from PCMag.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1RCPUQY )
pete_dushenski: now, either i'm not paying so much attention anymore (likely hypothesis) or all the i-esque bricks look the same in much the same way that a kia looks like a bmw (also likely)
pete_dushenski: "A day after setting a new 11-year low, the Canadian dollar sheds another half-cent and the TSX slides to a two-year low, as oil fails to rebound" << aaaand traveling just got a little more expensive.
pete_dushenski: not to mention that funnelling bezzlars into btc is going to yield increasing less sound money
pete_dushenski: on the flip side, flipping bitpennies around will yield more and more local value... soon : rent !
assbot: The case for the Salvation Army in downtown Edmonton. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Na88WV )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46764 @ 0.0004854 = 22.6992 BTC [+] {3}
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $800 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1233/bitcoin-to-top-800-before-jul-2016/#b10
brg444: was just going to link this
pete_dushenski: heh. too slow.
brg444: I guess this is a better attempt at it than Newsweek :D
brg444: still some odd things in there
adlai: the beauty of bitcoin is that satoshi is a scammer, too
BingoBoingo: !up bitstein
mircea_popescu: good god, they're still doing the "we found satoshi" thing ?
mircea_popescu: so out of touch.
BingoBoingo: Awe, shame sign doesn't also say "for sale" or "free to a good home"
mircea_popescu: well... you gopt as much photochop as wired
BingoBoingo: busy atm ripping on next bahamas
deedbot-: [Qntra] Trump Proposes "Closing Up the Internet" - http://qntra.net/2015/12/trump-proposes-closing-up-the-internet/
BingoBoingo: There it is
mircea_popescu: what's with this guy and cloistering.
mircea_popescu: does he have a wall on his penis ?
mircea_popescu: "Overshadowed by a comment he made earlier on border policy bankruptcy artist, likely payment fraudster, and aspiring fiat politician Donald Trump has proposed"
mircea_popescu: this doth not work.
BingoBoingo: How are you so sure he still has a whole penis
mircea_popescu: Bankruptcy artist, likely payment fraudster, and aspiring fiat politician Donald Trump overshadowed a previous comment by proposing
mircea_popescu: "We have kids that are watching the Internet"
mircea_popescu: oh i see.
BingoBoingo: fxd, differently.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck, ivanka ? who has kids and what are they watching.
BingoBoingo: It's hard to tell anymore. Does Chelsea Clitler have kids yet?
mircea_popescu: this is the first time i actually read something by trump. i guess that shows about how much of a shit i give. nevertheless, it's almost as if they start with the same paste and then name it trump or stevens or whatever
mircea_popescu: brb while i mixtape this shit.
mircea_popescu: here, check it out
mircea_popescu: The press has to be responsible; they're not being responsible. Ten movies streaming across that, that Internet, and what happens to your own personal Internet? We're losing a lot of people because of the Internet. I just the other day got… an Internet was sent by my staff at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday. We have to see Bill Gates and a lot of different people who really understand what's happening and maybe,
mircea_popescu: in some ways, closing that Internet up in some ways. I got it yesterday.
mircea_popescu: They want to deliver vast amounts of information over the Internet. And again, the Internet is not something that you just dump something on. Somebody will say, 'Oh, freedom of speech, freedom of speech.' It's not a big truck. It's a series of tubes. These are foolish people, we have a lot of foolish people. And if you don't understand, those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your message in, it
mircea_popescu: gets in line and it's going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material. We've got to maybe do something with the Internet because they're recruiting by the thousands, they're leaving our country, and then when they come back, we take them back.
mircea_popescu: can anyone even distinguish the seams ?
pete_dushenski: trump seems to think that videos are terrorists.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24960 @ 0.00048541 = 12.1158 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: at least that's what i parsed.
BingoBoingo: I think someone's a "dry drunk"
BingoBoingo: Or maybe trump's pissed he ran out of caverject..
assbot: This Australian Says He and His Dead Friend Invented Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTArKt )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16713 @ 0.00048496 = 8.1051 BTC [-]
deedbot-: [Trilema] Mixtapin' dat shit - http://trilema.com/2015/mixtapin-dat-shit/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12537 @ 0.00048496 = 6.0799 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25250 @ 0.00048209 = 12.1728 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00048555 = 4.8555 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41841 @ 0.00048563 = 20.3192 BTC [+]
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $1,000 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1234/bitcoin-to-top-1-000-before-jul-2016/#b11
pete_dushenski: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 417.05, Best ask: 417.41, Bid-ask spread: 0.36000, Last trade: 417.36, 24 hour volume: 33845.23189854, 24 hour low: 388.37, 24 hour high: 422.39, 24 hour vwap: None
assbot: Microsoft Security Advisory 3123040 ... ( http://bit.ly/1NakkXC )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00048155 = 4.334 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: l0l leak moar private keyz!!11
BingoBoingo: shinohai: I'd appreciate it if when you find these thing you'd make a quick qntra of it.
BingoBoingo goes to do exactly that
asciilifeform: to be fair, this is a bit classier
asciilifeform: (almost edging on believable, if any of the 'leaked paperz' were actually available, and if there were any reason to believe in their authenticity)
deedbot-: [Qntra] Microsoft Leaks XBox Live Private Key - http://qntra.net/2015/12/microsoft-leaks-xbox-live-private-key/
BingoBoingo: !up dbclk
asciilifeform: 'All of it could be an elaborate hoax—perhaps orchestrated by Wright himself. The unverified leaked documents could be faked in whole or in part. And most inexplicably of all, comparisons of different archived versions of the three smoking gun posts from Wright’s blog show that he did edit all three—to insert evidence of his bitcoin history. The PGP key associated with Nakamoto’s email address and references to an upco
asciilifeform: ming “cryptocurrency paper” and “triple entry accounting” were added sometime after 2013. Even the post noting bitcoin’s beta launch is questionable. While it was ostensibly posted in January 2009, it later seems to have been deleted and then undeleted—or possibly even written for the first time—sometime between October 2013 and June of 2014.'
asciilifeform: ^ from horse's mouth.
asciilifeform: move the motherfucking coinz or shuddup.
BingoBoingo: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=144960637518617&w=2 << "But we don't care about any of those people anymore. The NSA is the only bad guy worth caring about...."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3501 @ 0.00048155 = 1.6859 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: 'The first of those supercomputers he named Sukuriputo Okane—Japanese for “script money.” Another, named Co1n, holds the title of the world’s most powerful privately owned supercomputer. As Wright told the Bitcoin Investor’s conference, he’s applying that second machine towards the mysterious task of “modeling Bitcoin’s scalability,” and meanwhile building an even more powerful supercomputing cluster in Icela
asciilifeform: nd because of its cheap geothermal power.' << aaaaand dingdingding we're done
asciilifeform: that's quite enough.
BingoBoingo: same thread: "Not as much as it would be if you checked out the www tree from CVS :-)" https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=144961871622930&w=2
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yes, he absolutely can't be Satoshi N. because the isn't moving coins and want people ot think he is.
asciilifeform: and if you add the detail where satoshi is only even theoretically interesting to anyone today because he could move coinz...
shinohai: I prefer letting you have all teh glory BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Having ALL the glory is bad for my sobriety. I have to allow others to share in it.
assbot: Essays - Gwern.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1IT1DDO )
asciilifeform: thought the whole thing stinks of yudkowskyism
asciilifeform: *though
BingoBoingo: Well gwern was a reddit darknets market guru, prolly knows what color 12 is
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00047544 = 8.0587 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00047527 = 6.4874 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: News from The Associated Press ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTL28d )
mircea_popescu: "Puerto Rican with 300 Twitter accounts accused of harassment"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10766 @ 0.00047732 = 5.1388 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> ^ from horse's mouth. <<< guy's so painfully obvious it's scarcely worth the notice.
mircea_popescu: "by Taboola Sponsored Links " da fuck, this nonsense model of "advertising" took over the dead media to the point it's even on ap now, but always a different name
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5922 @ 0.00047732 = 2.8267 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21854 @ 0.00047732 = 10.4314 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: 'Craig Wright is not modest. On the website of Panopticrypt, one of his many companies, Wright describes himself as “certifiably the world’s foremost IT security expert.”'
asciilifeform: the one thing which i utterly fail to grasp is,
asciilifeform: what in satan's green earth is the point of all of this claptrap.
mircea_popescu: ~same as watching oprah
asciilifeform confesses that he has never seen it
mircea_popescu: the fat black woman
mircea_popescu: does a book of the month club or something.
mircea_popescu: "oh, here's my inner wolverine!"
asciilifeform: 'Craig Wright had mined a lot of Bitcoins. Craig then took the Bitcoins and put them into a Seychelles Trust. A bit of it was also put into Singapore. This was run out of an entity from the UK. Craig had gotten approximately 1.1 million Bitcoins.' << on what planet does this make the most elementary kind of sense ?!!
asciilifeform: 'bitcoins and put them into a seychelles trust'
asciilifeform: 'into singapore'
mircea_popescu: you ever play risk ?
asciilifeform even played 'diplomacy'
mircea_popescu: i never did, but gratia seinfeld...
mircea_popescu: you see stan, craigh wright was a simple country boy,
asciilifeform: cuntry boi
mircea_popescu: one could say a cock-eyed optimist that got mixed up in the high stakes game of world diplomacy and international intrigue
mircea_popescu: well, it's an inside joke. but broadly speaking the idea is, that the fruit of "civilisation" is the sort of derp who has no ability ot interact with, and no actual interest in reality. 100% dedicated to labels. so... he put bitcoin "into singapore".
mircea_popescu: there's no objective valuation of labels, or more properly said there can in principle exist no metric for the set of labels. and consequently, what difference does it make.
asciilifeform: oughta've picked up a wholesome, harmless habit, like dope
mircea_popescu: this is cheaper.
asciilifeform: pretty expensive for the folks who insisted on playing the 'lose half yer money in 3 mo.' game with live-fire btc
asciilifeform: meth prolly'dhavebeen cheaper
mircea_popescu: it'd have been expensive if they were you. but they're them, and so... they just put it in singapore!
asciilifeform reading the unsealed 'variety jones' indictment, and thinking about precisely this
asciilifeform: which is to say, how it is difficult to escape the feeling that all of these schmucks are on trial for ~being stupid~
mircea_popescu: due process!
mircea_popescu: die prozess!
asciilifeform: e.g., 'During the same chat, VJ asked Ulbricht, in sum and substance, whether Ulbricht had disclosed to anyone in real life that he was involved in Silk Road: "IRL - is there anyone with a clue at all? Girlfriend, boyfriend, bunny you talk to, online buddy's who you've know for years? Gramma, priest, rabbi, stripper?" Ulbricht responded, "unfortunately yes. They are two, but they think I sold the site and got out. and they are
asciilifeform: quite convinced of it." VJ replied, "good for that - when do they think you've sold?" and Ulbricht responded, "about a month ago." 3 Based on my training and experience, and my familiarity with this investigation, I believe that during this conversation, Ulbricht disclosed that he had told two people of his connection to Silk Road, but had lied to them by claiming that he had sold Silk Road to someone else.'
mircea_popescu: "bunny you talk to" ?!
asciilifeform has nfi what was meant by the stoolie
mircea_popescu: i suspect the stoolie is a tucker max fan.
jurov: ;;isup mpex.biz
gribble: mpex.biz is up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14856 @ 0.00048675 = 7.2312 BTC [+]
jurov: http://www.isup.me/mpex.biz << gribble lies, as always
assbot: Down For Everyone Or Just Me -> Check if your website is down or up? ... ( http://bit.ly/1YXun7I )
mircea_popescu: jurov i see it. you don't ?
jurov: me nor they don't
mircea_popescu: "It's just you. http://mpex.biz is up"
assbot: MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange. ... ( http://bit.ly/1YXupg3 )
jurov: they told me it's down
mircea_popescu: ^ for that matter.
jurov: now i refresh it's up
mircea_popescu: well... someone lies alright! on the internet.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30451 @ 0.00048769 = 14.8506 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: or someone's fucking with me
jurov: what's the status of mpex submission by irc? fell into disrepair?
mircea_popescu: iirc maintainer dropped off the map.
kakobrekla: !mp <signcrypted_dpasteurl> ?
assbot: Processing.
kakobrekla: is this not it?
jurov: yes it is.
kakobrekla still on the map afaik
mircea_popescu: my... head fell off teh map
mircea_popescu: for some reason i was thinking fabianb's bot did it
mircea_popescu: sorry kako
kakobrekla: no worries
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00048675 = 1.1439 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "New book is out: “MATE: Become The Man Women Want”
mircea_popescu: September 18, 2015 by Tucker Max
mircea_popescu: I wrote a new book, and it’s out now. But–it’s not funny stories of getting drunk, hooking up and yelling curses at people (though it’s sort of related, a little). It’s different than that. It’s called “Mate: Become the Man Women Want,” and it’s the definitive guide that will help guys understand women and dating"
mircea_popescu: ahaha check out this shit :D
asciilifeform: holy fuck is there not 1 paragraph of text on the net without a uniturd or eleven in it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.0004877 = 7.73 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: what was ever wrong with the "" the gods gave us, what.
asciilifeform: try reading ze logz on an ascii terminal sometime.
asciilifeform: yer in for a treat, yes.
mircea_popescu: to be fair : all out text is fine, the trouble starts when we quote the morlocks
mircea_popescu: who write on microshit terminals.
asciilifeform: that must be the root of the contagion.
asciilifeform: i can't recall anywhere else where it happens.
asciilifeform: although...
mircea_popescu: you mean shit like –it’s neh ?
asciilifeform: iirc a certain ver. of 'wordpress' also shat 'magical' quotez
asciilifeform: pretty sure that at least 1 of my ancient articles is thusly polluted.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30662 @ 0.0004877 = 14.9539 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00048783 = 2.3904 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00048783 = 5.3173 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00047768 = 20.8268 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.0004768 = 5.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5458 @ 0.00047486 = 2.5918 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu, Naphex: are the xotika reports living at predictable urls?
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-10-2015#1292987 << only gripe is with paying shareholder divs without paying tax
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2015 19:36:34; mircea_popescu: <Naphex> https://xotika.tv/static/report06102015.html << speaking of which, plox to give the guy's numbers a good shakedown, because im considering listing xotika this month.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes they should, yeah
ben_vulpes: also what constitutes expenditures?
ben_vulpes: not that anyone cares, but things i'd like to see pre-ipo:
ben_vulpes: - monthly reports
ben_vulpes: - description of expenditures
ben_vulpes: - tax payments
ben_vulpes: not that i'm even going to look at the blockchain on the latter, but they should at least show up on the balance sheet, even if they are going directly into naphex' pocket
mircea_popescu: that's actually kinda the idea.
ben_vulpes: ofc but for logreaders.
kakobrekla: i rather confused reading this statement but i may be thick
mircea_popescu: questions help.
mircea_popescu: for me for instance it is quite informative that a reasonable timespan for public consultation is ~2 mo.
mircea_popescu wonders if monthly reports aren't too frequent.
kakobrekla: fees are taken on withdrawals? how much is that fee?
ben_vulpes: monthly is an adequate frequency for inspecting operators commitment to the project.
mircea_popescu: !up whiterock
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yeah, that's true.
ben_vulpes: see davout and x.eur
ben_vulpes: too late, whiterock, mircea_popescu beat you to it.
kakobrekla: what are these private investments? do those investors get same shares as (will be) on mpex?
whiterock: haha thanks
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla that's just the guy putting money in from his pocket.
kakobrekla: dividends are 9 from 35?
ben_vulpes: board can authorize divs of whatever size they want to?
mircea_popescu: anyway, i dun recall what they charged, a few % but sliding scale
kakobrekla: yeah these numbers dont make any sense to me still.
whiterock: hi guys i cant back read the topi. if its ok, may i know what is being discussed?
ben_vulpes: shareholder equity implies a previous investment round as well.
ben_vulpes: whiterock: find the topic with /topic
mircea_popescu: whiterock try the log eh.
ben_vulpes: but that has nothing to do with the topic
kakobrekla: > as fees are calculated on withdrawal >Dividend to shareholders9.6487 > Withdrawals*35.7354 >
whiterock: oh great thanks
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no, it's an accumulator value. everything not otherwise accounted is shareholder equity.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla and where's the problem ?
kakobrekla: 9 btc on 35 btc ?
mircea_popescu: they're not really related tho. so the site paid 35 btc in withdrawals (by performers) and 9 btc in dividends
ben_vulpes: like i said kakobrekla the 'board' can pay whatever in divs apparently
mircea_popescu: it can pay whatever it wants in dividends, up to its entire cash balance.
kakobrekla: but site generates div from fees on withdrawals
mircea_popescu: no, it generates dividends on board say-so out of its cash
mircea_popescu: just as long as they're paid fairly (ie, by share ownership proportion) they can be any arbitrary value between 0 and entreprise value
kakobrekla: so he paid 9to himself if i understand this correctly?
mircea_popescu: logically he put 23 in got 9 out, seems to me
ben_vulpes: ;;calc 23.8804/7.16412
gribble: 3.33333333333
whiterock: is punkman around btw?
ben_vulpes: ;;calc 7.16412/23.8804
gribble: 0.3
kakobrekla: and 'platform dev' ? is he charging the actual work needed with the site?
ben_vulpes: 30% depreciation in server value over four months and some days?
ben_vulpes: aaa fractional months
mircea_popescu: the one problem i see in there is that if there's 73 deposited and 35 withdrawn, the difference is unearned income, and improperly reported as shareholder equity.
mircea_popescu: should really be under viewers i suppose.
ben_vulpes: yeah also what is platform dev
ben_vulpes: and why is that reported as an asset value increase
whiterock slaps punkman around a bit with a large fishbot
mircea_popescu: that i recall the discussion of. i asked if it has resale/license value, and he said yes.
ben_vulpes: !down whiterock
mircea_popescu: so in principle, it could be sold.
ben_vulpes: some hand-wavey value of the software?
mircea_popescu: i would expect it's a historical value of the software
mircea_popescu: "this is what we spend developing it"
ben_vulpes: i thought Naphex wrote it
mircea_popescu: i thought it was a one man show originally too, but apparently there's at least another guy (this CoraCrisT fellow) doing something in between ceo and pr.
mircea_popescu: and i guess more people.
mircea_popescu: !up CoraCrisT
ben_vulpes: also "software" should be depreciated on a goddamn 2 year schedule it rots so quickly. especially these single-page angular things; they're exceptionally more expensive to maintain as time goes on.
mircea_popescu: !gettrust CoraCrisT
assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user CoraCrisT: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=CoraCrisT | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/CoraCrisT/
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes afaik their major weakness is an inability to run in anything but chrome atm
ben_vulpes: that has nothing to do with depreciation schedule.
mircea_popescu: no, but it has a lot to do with future cost.
ben_vulpes: and think what you will, constraining the operating environment to just chrome is a pretty sensible cost-reducing move.
mircea_popescu: i didn't veto it or anything.
mircea_popescu: jus' saying.
ben_vulpes: you can make the consumers "come to expect" anything, unless mgmt insists pigheadedly on cross-browser support chasing "lift" or "conversion" or some such, chrome should be adequate.
ben_vulpes: ofc this buys also the risk of google ripping the sheets out from under one.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that anyone's downloading a browser to run your spunk app.
mircea_popescu: moreover, unless google;'s paying for this, why the fuck am i dirving their dumbass product on my dime.
ben_vulpes: everyone already has chrome, there is no "download".
mircea_popescu: i don't know anyone running chrome.
ben_vulpes rolls eyes
mircea_popescu: o god damned it
mircea_popescu: i stand corrected.
mircea_popescu looked in trilema's last month, it's actually mostly chrome. http://dpaste.com/2VEQBEC
assbot: dpaste: 2VEQBEC ... ( http://bit.ly/1m9wpne )
mircea_popescu: so i guess there's a new microsoft huh.
mircea_popescu: god forsaken species that never in its history produced anything but stupid.
ben_vulpes: welcome, mircea_popescu, to the new new new new web
mircea_popescu: "oh i know, we've never done the stupid thing THIS WAY before!"
ben_vulpes: what was it before?
ben_vulpes: lynx?
mircea_popescu: "drop everything! there's another same-way to do the stupid!"
ben_vulpes not a fan but a prisoner
mircea_popescu: anyway. i'm off to bed. looking forward to part 2 of the xotika discussion once Naphex shows up.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00047609 = 7.7603 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00047983 = 10.8921 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> iirc a certain ver. of 'wordpress' also shat 'magical' quotez << All of them seem to force it unless suitably corrected
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00048885 = 8.7504 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: https://vimeo.com/147767325 << this is some epic horseshit
assbot: VimeUhOh ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ob1WM3 )
ben_vulpes: gamma phi beta and kappa delta are abusing the DMCA to take down videos that portray them in ways in which they do not like.
ben_vulpes: dear victoria valentine, she who studies/d film and made an entertaining video about cults and sororities, do drop me a line.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mitch_callahan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSTCGe4neOM found a backup
assbot: RECRUITMENT 2016 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1YXHcPp )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: also vimeo is a reprehensible operation who caves unconditionally to baseless dmca notices from SORORITIES
ben_vulpes: what a buncha wimps.
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