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BingoBoingo: "Never Share Your needles, water, spoons, mix, filters or tourniquets" << /me thinks they mixed up their drugs
punkman: Trainspotting was about steroids right?
BingoBoingo: Of course.
BingoBoingo: The actors were emaciated and pale to highlight their body dysmorphia.
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BingoBoingo: Damn their calves were small.
BingoBoingo: Also found in the mines
assbot: Bitcoin giant BTCC launches priority blockchain transactions for its customers ... ( http://bit.ly/1laxwSR )
mircea_popescu: lmao what ?
mircea_popescu: vc derps finally figured out where the tx fee button is ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo incidentally, you want kussmaul breathing. agonic really just means, last breath.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo incidentally, you want kussmaul breathing. agonic really just means, last breath. << agonal is used here clinically for this sort of pathology
punkman: agonic is about angles
BingoBoingo: Includes everything from kussmaul to rales
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-11-2015#1328928 << 'Подводная лодка В степях Украины Погибла в неравном Воздушном бою!' (tm) (r)
assbot: Logged on 21-11-2015 00:49:51; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-11-2015#1328878 << hey, in the straights of iran they've flown submarines before.
BingoBoingo: Or maybe I'm just using an especially lazy definition of agonal
asciilifeform: ^ for folks who ask 'what is orc'
BingoBoingo: Looks more functional than MIT version
asciilifeform: (said to be from mcdonalds in jp)
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assbot: Study: Dilaudid Administration Directly Correlates with High Patient Satisfaction; Narcan Not so Much | GomerBlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1layezl )
BingoBoingo: Also from mines: The suit was originally filed because the patient had multiple chest x-rays performed between the years 2010 and 2012, and the official read never contained any reference to CBP in spite of the fact that all 3 criteria were met. These criteria include: a habitus too large to fit a normal radiograph + a minimum of 3 side roles visualized on X-ray or simply a habitus too large to fit a normal CT scanner. Unfortunat
BingoBoingo: ely, the patient did go on to suffer a massive myocardial infarction in late 2013. The argument was simple. Chronic biscuit poisoning has been shown to be directly associated with diabetes, hypertension, hyperlipidemia, and a predilection for panniculitis. Without carrying the diagnosis of CBP, the patient had no idea he had so many risk factors for heart disease and thus no motivation for lifestyle change. Increasing dyspnea
BingoBoingo: on exertion and the inability to visualize his own genitals without a mirror were clearly not evidence enough.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
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assbot: Gunshots Reported at Miami Dade College Stadium | NBC 6 South Florida ... ( http://bit.ly/1layAWE )
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assbot: Logged on 21-11-2015 05:03:30; BingoBoingo: The actors were emaciated and pale to highlight their body dysmorphia.
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assbot: Local Police Arming Robots | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCBPOG )
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trinque: incomplete without the "now"
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assbot: International Cyber Security Campaign in ASEAN ... ( http://bit.ly/1QzJa6X )
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assbot: Bitwalking dollars: Digital currency pays people to walk - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ym2RjX )
jurov: "In developed nations the average person would earn around 15 BW$ a month, but it is hoped that in poorer countries where people have to walk further for work, school, or simply to collect water, the Bitwalking scheme could help transform lives."
jurov is speechless
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assbot: ECRYPT-EU: Break a dozen secret keys, get a million more for free ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ym6ExH )
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mircea_popescu: in retrospect jurov's objection is prolly worthy of a more in depth response, so let's.
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3pohex/london_school_of_economics_shits_on_bitcoin_vc/cw8mub0 <<< why do you figure the only thing random something awful tard can say is omaigawd rape & mysogeny ?
assbot: sciencehatesyou comments on London School of Economics Shits on Bitcoin VC Investments ... ( http://bit.ly/1I64xow )
mircea_popescu: not like it wouldn't have been trivially easy for me to avoid the charge, if i felt like it. so than then what, random internet tard would have created a DIFFERENT rationalization as to why i'm bad ?
mircea_popescu: im better than her and she's stupid and fat, of course i'm going to be bad. what, you figure if i wrote differently sciencehatesyou woulda loved me ?
mircea_popescu: so, the same strategy is visible throughout, for the simple reason that it is the winning strategy.
assbot: Logged on 11-11-2015 21:28:06; mircea_popescu: obviously you can't make "the media" aka usg agitprop machine unhave all the vans and ex-sorority chicks and whatnot. so the only practical solution when you can't prevent them acting on their options is to limit their options to one.
mircea_popescu: if there's jack shit you can do about random idiot "forming opinions", you pick a stupid one and form it for him. you don't get invested in a complex, ultimately meaningless game of trying to "help him" or whatever. the old adage "don't discuss with idiots, they drag you to their level and then beat you with experience" means exactly this : it costs YOU something, not them, and they'll win.
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mircea_popescu: if the police is out stealing your lunch money, you shoot them in the gut on sight. that's what it is.
mircea_popescu: if you look around, you can readily distinguish the winners from the losers, both afore and after the fact, by how strictly they stick to this point.
mircea_popescu: hence the us defeat in iraq, with superiority, and the islamist victories in europe, from a deeply inferior position.
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mircea_popescu: (the line quoted is a fine example of the cost assymetry, too. tard thinks it's ok to break grammar, because hey, tard immunity! tard doesn't even consider whether it's ok or not to be wrong. ofcourseitis. meanwhile suppose you were stupid and wrong, then what ? i don't mean all the time, like sciencehatesyou. i mean ONCE. which is how the various wanna-be intellectuals across the pond lose all the time. sooner or late
mircea_popescu: r he's going to slip up. tards know this, even.)
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mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3thcx5/the_tweet_that_got_toxic_todd_fired_from_r3_cev/ << meanwhile reddit hates programming languages (other than excel) and "r3 cev" is the ever-so clever name the troop of scammers behind the first scam foundation (the one that was pushing pirate & his "miner" friends) and the second scam foundation (the one that was pushing karpeles & co) chose for their THIRD pass at the
assbot: The tweet that got Toxic Todd fired from R3 CEV : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1SaVBnk )
mircea_popescu: same god damned thing.
mircea_popescu: and it will never go away, either. by now vesseness is out, more or less, but even if i make murck's dessicated skull a part of my urinal (which i will ANYWAY, irrespective of how useless it is, because i don't give a shit about utilitarianism in some cases) there's going to be another sciencehatesyou around, ready to strut.
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BingoBoingo: Prolly ought to lacquer the inside, if you plan to use it for any length of time. Or you could no if you just want it to smell for all eternity
mircea_popescu: cross that nosebridge when we get there.
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo has successfully infected my household, so now look what i read : http://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/670672
assbot: Fun fact: some people have so much fat dissolved in their blood that it will literally condense out and form visible chunks when they have their blood drawn for testing. | fatpeoplehate ... ( http://bit.ly/1QApboI )
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mircea_popescu: i can't quite believe this. da fuck "so much fucking fat in their blood that it actually overwhelms their carrier proteins".
mircea_popescu: how do they survive this ? should be right about equivalent to forming gas bubbles in the bloodstream.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> how do they survive this ? should be right about equivalent to forming gas bubbles in the bloodstream. << gradually increasing exposure
BingoBoingo: "People are going to start hearing about how there are no more viable organs for donation in the next twenty years." << Truefax
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assbot: Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1QAsvA5 )
assbot: Students rally with list of demands for Purdue - Purdue Exponent: Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1QAstIE )
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mircea_popescu: o hey cool, they're making a home.
mircea_popescu: "Katrina Shevchenko Demand all you like. If you are there by merit, keep studying. If you got there through affirmative action, get lost."
mircea_popescu links previous "ukrainian women" threads here.
mircea_popescu: anyway. apparently purdue derpage is related to ex governor becoming provost or something.,
BingoBoingo: Eh, that's SOP for ex-Governors and Senators. Not the outrage, the uni job.
mircea_popescu: but apparently this guy decided he's going to rein in the libertards at purdue
BingoBoingo: They can fuck each other to death.
mircea_popescu: so you know, the 1-200 niggers on campus got a little scared.
BingoBoingo: Eh, it's a uni campus. Everyone is scared.
mircea_popescu: apparently not the ukr chick.
mircea_popescu: lmao the 21co derps don't take bitcoin in exchange for their "bitcoin"-whatever it is
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/3tjqop/so_we_can_now_confirm_that_quantik_has_autism/ << "til" that "the biggest xanax manufacturer on the planet" is on retarddit.
assbot: reddit.com: over 18? ... ( http://bit.ly/21anfa0 )
mircea_popescu: actually having a ready window into the universe of 15yos that you open only when you feel like is not so bad.
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mircea_popescu: [–]mrbiggles00007 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago (1 child) "Anyone who puts themselves above others in how they would handle any given situation as if they are operating at a higher level than everyone else is usually a fuckwit in my book."
mircea_popescu: [–]NiceTryFuckwit 1 point2 points3 points 1 day ago (0 children) "Absolutely."
mircea_popescu: what is usg ? this, basically.
funkenstein_: afternoon peeps
mircea_popescu: how goes ?
funkenstein_: not bad thanks
asciilifeform: 'Maybe we're studying the problem of setting public factorization records using academic computer clusters, while the attacker is studying the problem of factoring 1024-bit keys as quickly as possible using billion-dollar clusters. Or maybe, in an effort to advertise attractively simple problems, we've oversimplified the problem of attacking the actual cryptosystem. Maybe we're studying the problem of recovering a signature ke
asciilifeform: y while the attacker is studying the actual problem of forging signatures. Maybe we're studying the problem of attacking one key while the attacker is studying the actual problem of attacking a large batch of keys. This oversimplification is surprisingly common...'
asciilifeform: ^notbad.jpg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i see your lamp and raise you a pony.
funkenstein_: the trouble with biggles stuff there is that people assume there is some kind of universal context in which phrases like "above others" or "higher level" mean something
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ wait, you actually know that guy ?
funkenstein_: no i don't.. can't even properly place the monty python character at the moment
funkenstein_: just going by what you posted
mircea_popescu: but the assumption you discuss was not in my comment.
funkenstein_: his comment :)
funkenstein_: nice carousel
mircea_popescu: well yes, the problem with the magical thinking of retards is that they assume there's a divinity somehwere in whose image they were made.
asciilifeform: mr mold identified this in vintage puritan spew as 'the inner light doctrine'
asciilifeform: and placed it at the root of the 'they're people just like you!!11111' contagion
mircea_popescu: "i just want"/"i'm just trying to" derives directly from this as well.
mircea_popescu: it's really the unifying core of retard mental processes.
asciilifeform: 'Even more precisely, it is a core doctrine of the neo-primitive Christianity that we call Protestantism. And specifically, I believe it to be a mutated and metastasized version of the Quaker doctrine of the Inner Light. Basically, all humans must be neurologically uniform because we all have the same little piece of God inside us. (All the American Protestant sects, or at least all the Northern ones, became heavily Quakerized
asciilifeform: during the 19th century. But that's a different discussion.) Thus what we call hate speech is merely a 20th-century name for the age-old crime of blasphemy.'
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funkenstein_: I see the inner light doctrine problem ok.. but I'm not sure what's wrong with recognizing I am an individual just like any ant
mircea_popescu: the problem with recognizing you're an individual doesn't exist. the problem with "just like any" is that you invent a homomorphism that does not exist.
mircea_popescu: there isn't an "any" ant.
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funkenstein_: that one ant right there, also was born and will die.. just like me
mircea_popescu: this coincidence, however, is meaningless.
funkenstein_: hmm thanks ascii somehow I missed his mention of quakerism, I am particularly interested therin
funkenstein_: meaningless to some thread sure but certainly meaningful in relation to consideration of mortality or definition of individuality
mircea_popescu: no, meaningless in the absolute form. "incapable of carrying meaning".
funkenstein_: can't we steganograph some coin in there?
funkenstein_: :D
mircea_popescu: in... where
funkenstein_: hmm.. in stating that two objects are both members of a class
mircea_popescu: now you are stating that a class exist that doesn't.
mircea_popescu: this being the magic thinking part : you keep wanting to insert the same thing back in no matter what.
funkenstein_: the class of things that are born and die
mircea_popescu: this is not a class.
funkenstein_: public class MortalThing
funkenstein_: date BornOn date DiedOn
mircea_popescu: now you're presuming there exists a heavenly Births & Deaths register
funkenstein_: no, only that I can write code to define the object
mircea_popescu: (incidentally the reason we were even stguck with that nonsense, which is currently "id papers". but which has been a public nuisance throughout)
mircea_popescu: that is not how code works.
funkenstein_: granted, there are cases where it's hard to define but it is so with all classifications
mircea_popescu: for one thing that is not an excuse even if it were true ; for another thing it is not true at all.
funkenstein_: you mean, some classifications just work always with no grey area?
funkenstein_: i guess with ideal objects this is true
mircea_popescu: classifications either work or don't.
funkenstein_: come on
funkenstein_: "big"
funkenstein_: "heap:
funkenstein_: "black"
funkenstein_: "white"
funkenstein_: "fat"
mircea_popescu: you've classified things as "big" "heap" "black" and "white" ?
mircea_popescu: it's broken.
funkenstein_: well I've heard these words used on occasion and they not useless
funkenstein_: just, grey areas exist where they stop working well
mircea_popescu: wehen used in the manner you seem to use them yes they are useless.
funkenstein_: well I agree, they don't mean much until a context is provided
mircea_popescu: moreover, classification means something different from "epithet".
funkenstein_: indeed
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funkenstein_: anyway this is hardly an emphasized aspect of quakerism that moldberg points out
mircea_popescu: what, that they were offensively fucking stupiod ?
mircea_popescu: why do you think they were hunted like fucking witches.
mircea_popescu: the sad story here is that this is a war we already fucking won. about... uh i dunno, fifty times to date.
funkenstein_: because they thought for themselves instead of following orders
funkenstein_: just like fucking witches
mircea_popescu: and it still gotta be won two to five times each century, because women still produce lazy stupid worms instead of people as a default.
mircea_popescu: no. because they wanted "us to be all equal".
funkenstein_: ??
mircea_popescu: which is the reason sane people paint chunks of metal with idiots' guts.
funkenstein_: what would that even mean?
mircea_popescu: which that.
funkenstein_: "us to be all equal"
funkenstein_: as in, all occupy the same point of space?
funkenstein_: all be the same weight to nearest nanogram?
asciilifeform: speaking of painting metal with idiots' guts,
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mircea_popescu: ng part : you keep wanting to insert the same thing back in no matter what. <<< go back to.
asciilifeform: ^ very spiffy high-res clip of ru bombardment in syria
mircea_popescu: meh that didn't work.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-11-2015#1329151 << go back to there, flow through once more.
assbot: Logged on 21-11-2015 17:33:32; mircea_popescu: well yes, the problem with the magical thinking of retards is that they assume there's a divinity somehwere in whose image they were made.
mircea_popescu: recursive log reading!
asciilifeform: with tail call optimization !!1111
asciilifeform: (btw this subject is near & dear to yours truly, as it was one of the historic 'holy wars' between the common lisp and scheme aficionados - the latter system had tailcall elimination as a required mechanism per the standard, the former - did not)
mircea_popescu: it's a major point to everyone with a clue, both for practical and historical considerations.
mircea_popescu: if you harbored any doubts the vermin in question is not merely vermin but teleguided vermin, there you go.
mircea_popescu: inept gofer @ google wouldn't on his own belt come up with the shit.
mircea_popescu: then once you've noticed this you notice the insecapable similarities with the systemv maggot, and there you go.
funkenstein_: so what kind of ordinance was that ascii?
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funkenstein_: anyway, in terms of mortality, kingdom animalia, being made of baryonic matter, to name a few: ants and humans are equal
funkenstein_: in terms of sucking cock, playing bach, solving rubics cubes: humas are superior
funkenstein_: in terms of socialization, biomass, number of legs: ants are superior
funkenstein_: there's not much room for magical divinity anywhere in these considerations so I think I'm missing the point
mircea_popescu: is this "spoken poetry" or something ?
funkenstein_: well it doesn't rhyme or scan, so.. if so it's not very good
funkenstein_: if A is "just better" than B, there must be some magical divinity in whose image A is closer too.. this seems equally retarded
mircea_popescu: "A is magically comparable to B on the grounds that I believe!"
mircea_popescu: but that said, a meson-strained ant would be an interesting thing.
funkenstein_: lol
funkenstein_: It is not the "equality" in these threads that is bogus but the mere comparison without context.
mircea_popescu: your notion of "context" is rooted in a certain equalitarian mindset that has nothing to do with reality.
funkenstein_: no it has to do with making logical statements for the purposes of communication
mircea_popescu: most tellingly, and the heuristic i generally recognize it by, is the inability to find the places where no context is possible.
funkenstein_: this sounds interesting
adlai: funkenstein_: "sucking less" is multidimensional, you can have progress away from the origin (MRCA?) without imposing an absolute ordering of betterness across all individuals
mircea_popescu: obviously the discussion of metrics, ordered sets etc is useful in the general, but i don't think he's familiar with the field and so i won't use it.
funkenstein_: i am familiar
mircea_popescu: your opinion as to what you're familiar with ain't worth two shits.
mircea_popescu: similarly, a 12 yo saying she's hot and ready is no defense in court.
funkenstein_: i will ask when I don't understand, how about that :)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-11-2015#1329234 << i'm still having trouble figuring out how tailcalls came up. possibly because my redditard dosimeter is maxed out for the month
assbot: Logged on 21-11-2015 17:57:58; mircea_popescu: if you harbored any doubts the vermin in question is not merely vermin but teleguided vermin, there you go.
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ that dun work tho.
funkenstein_: I know how relativistic metrics like robertson-walker and minkowski are not actually metrics but pseudometrics
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno, was on the list ?
funkenstein_: if that helps
funkenstein_: adlai, MRCA?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i mean, it doesn't exist in any mainstream programming system, of the kind favoured by the tards
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ understand, it's not that i dislike you or that i mean to do you the boo boo or anything. but there is a difference between the guy that was taken by hand through red square and the guy who lives in moscow. and i don't believe you are familiar with a whole bunch of superior math simply because it's not possible to be so disorganised in other aspects if that were the case. whether you recognize words on pre
mircea_popescu: sentation or not has no bearing on this. and for that matter, not knowing set theory is no fucking crime, most people don't, and this includes most people who are intelligent and have intelligent things to say.
adlai: funkenstein_: most recent common ancestor. you and i have one, we and the ants have one. probably not the same one.
mircea_popescu: it is, after all, justr a formalism.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, because it was optimized out :D
asciilifeform was just about to utter something like what mircea_popescu just observed re: the maths, but now doesn't need to !
funkenstein_: adlai, so how is difference from MRCA rated better or worse?
adlai: but TCO doesn't help spiders recurse through the log-tree
asciilifeform cringes when folks who otherwise show no symptoms of a mathematical past speak of 'metrics' etc
mircea_popescu: the crime of math is that people have gone on this "intuitive" kick. it only works RARELY.
adlai: funkenstein_: for what purpose you comparing? most useful metrics won't be too dependent on "difference from MRCA", but my intuitive kick barrel is starting to scrape
funkenstein_: mircea_popescu, no offense taken. I have mostly explored Red Square at my own leisure, but still consider myself a stranger there.
asciilifeform: there is a legend, iirc, that a go board & stones set somehow made its way to euler. but sans the rules, or any reasonable notion thereof! he then inferred that it was played by throwing the stones into the little cavity on the underside of the board.
adlai: "differenc from MRCA" itself can be measured by phenotype or genotype, using similarity of behavior or content, respectively
asciilifeform: this is kinda what civilians end up doing with mathematical terminology.
mircea_popescu: you show me a roomfull of 20 year olds that all supposedly have an intuitive understanding of number theory, i see both the reason poor brin looks like he sucks corcoduse his entire life and a candidate for hanging.
mircea_popescu: shit like that makes nahorai cry.
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adlai doesn't have one of these
asciilifeform: adlai: these are typically found in the old-style 'kaya' wood boards, the kind having legs
asciilifeform: astonishingly expensive today.
asciilifeform: (part of the deal is that it has to be made of a sufficiently thick tree, no glue allowed)
adlai: the friend who made 'my' (his) goban says they're pretty much impossible to buy locally
asciilifeform: my brother owns one, fwiw
asciilifeform: circa 1890s iirc.
asciilifeform: at any rate, legend is that the cavity is for the severed head of 'hint giver' spectator during castle matches
mircea_popescu: actually upon rereading that spoken poem, i notice a hole the light might perhaps be brought in!
mircea_popescu: tell me funkenstein_ what do you have "socialization" mean in there ?
funkenstein_: yeah that was pretty vague sorry.. I guess more established social behaviors..
mircea_popescu: mno, you don't get to walk away from it.
funkenstein_: lets make a metric then: differentiation in societal roles
mircea_popescu: specifically because it was not vague at all, but both specific and a fundamental requisite of the thinking in question.
funkenstein_: aha ok thanks
mircea_popescu: admire : you want that to be there so that you and ants are made by the same god so therefore, and i underscore, therefore, if the ants were owners of the world there still were a place in the world for you.
mircea_popescu: except, as far as the ants are concerned, there wouldn't be.
mircea_popescu: nor, in point of fact, is there one now.
funkenstein_: has nothing to do with any god?
mircea_popescu: this is what derpy libertards call, for the short distance their congenital apnea allows them to run it, "critiquing the entrenched patriarchy"
funkenstein_: actually in this case I was complimenting a far more entrenched class system
asciilifeform: 'kyriarchy' !
mircea_popescu: but in point of fact, the whole distance is this : that you want the word unary and all the items equal. whereas the world is not even coherent
mircea_popescu: let alone unary.
mircea_popescu: no, you were not.
funkenstein_: i called it "better"
funkenstein_: superior actually
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mircea_popescu: "Regardless of whether you waive the fine or not, and despite conditional terms added to reassert authority" being the point of interest.
mircea_popescu: what you call it ain't the lynchpin of this here lynch mob.
funkenstein_: i guess their socialization is superior in the sense adlai implied: more evolved
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mega-classic piece
asciilifeform: recognizably 'sovok'
asciilifeform: and l0l!! rt now has a 'dictionary' of sovokisms for englischerz! -- http://russiapedia.rt.com/of-russian-origin/sovok
assbot: Sovok – Russiapedia Of Russian origin ... ( http://bit.ly/1I3wKkY )
mircea_popescu: "Go to Japan when he is transmitted (the mid-5th century), the board is there to make a box. The Remains of the back hole in the center had been opened for the sound effects. Blood reservoir (No Chi) Name of the samurai in the game of Go was the accomplishment, the spectators came from the mouth (first eight came through clearly), cut off by a samurai sword to the neck of the angry flip board , put the head of the bloo
mircea_popescu: d collected in the navel, there is a disturbing episode."
mircea_popescu: i feel better now.
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asciilifeform: googletranslate ftw.
asciilifeform: http://russiapedia.rt.com/of-russian-origin << many lulz, esp. in the choice of listed items
assbot: Of Russian origin – Russiapedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1I3x7fu )
mircea_popescu: Koshchey Bessmertny!
mircea_popescu: easily my favourite russian thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw ever told you the joke of the muscovite trying to take a shit in bucharest ?
asciilifeform: dun think so
mircea_popescu: proper & civilised soviet citizen walking on street in romanian capital, suddenly needs to pee.
mircea_popescu: he stops passerby, more or less with hands and props they manage to understand each other. passerby looks around, identifies a tree, points to it.
mircea_popescu: foreigner is taken aback
mircea_popescu: answer comes calmly : "tot acolo"
mircea_popescu: (also there)
asciilifeform: l0l!!!!
assbot: Lich on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MJd2I8 )
asciilifeform: pretty sure everyone had this
mircea_popescu: ;;google "preafrumoasa vasilissa"
gribble: Vasilisa - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VumxQPbpfd4>; Andrei Ivanov (Author of Hanumani teekond Lollandile) - Goodreads: <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/5780906.Andrei_Ivanov>
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: василиса прекрасная
mircea_popescu: and the feather of finist the eagle.
mircea_popescu: Ivan Bilibin ftw.
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, when rage of mages hit the market in the 90s, what the educated ro kids were saying was omfg, bilibin lives!)
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assbot: Majority of Americans Feel Like 'Stranger in Own Country' ... ( http://bit.ly/1lbo69A )
mircea_popescu: hey, maybe they feel like strangers "in their own country" because it ain't their own fucking country, and yes they are strangers.
mircea_popescu: dudes "just wanted to", and so they got their wish.
mircea_popescu: anyway, /me enjoyed the spin. really, the gop "may take out" trump ? the gop can't as much as take out the garbage.
mircea_popescu: really, "less than college education" ? having a us college diploma is like having a mental disability certificate. it just means you're at best useless but in principle dumb.
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mircea_popescu: http://russiapedia.rt.com/of-russian-origin/avoska/ << yeah, good point - how come the us campus isn't full of these ? they're envirofriendly!
assbot: Avoska – Russiapedia Of Russian origin ... ( http://bit.ly/1lboN2L )
asciilifeform: they sold'em at my uni shop.
asciilifeform: it was even called something like 'enviro bag'
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mircea_popescu: why not avos'
mircea_popescu: pretty great name really.
asciilifeform: because sad landz of the phonemically-challenged ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-11-2015#1329372 << kinda funny, everybody i know who has one, incl. self, keeps it in some dark place with tax papers etc
assbot: Logged on 21-11-2015 19:44:22; mircea_popescu: really, "less than college education" ? having a us college diploma is like having a mental disability certificate. it just means you're at best useless but in principle dumb.
mircea_popescu: i never bothered to pick it up myself.
mircea_popescu: went once, was a queue, took a girl for coffee and welll... there it waits, no doubt.
mircea_popescu: couldn't be arsed to send a lawyer after it - to put it with the tax papers.
asciilifeform: they mailed'em. in cardboard pipes.
asciilifeform: hilariously, because they handed out a diploma-shaped object at the ceremony, but it was actually some spam
mircea_popescu also didn't go to ceremony.
mircea_popescu: i went for highschool, good enough.
asciilifeform: is that... a cup ?
mircea_popescu: well yeah.
asciilifeform: for cuntjuice ?
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BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> hilariously, because they handed out a diploma-shaped object at the ceremony, but it was actually some spam << SOP
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danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-11-2015#1329151 << there is, but the retards don't believe in Him
assbot: Logged on 21-11-2015 17:33:32; mircea_popescu: well yes, the problem with the magical thinking of retards is that they assume there's a divinity somehwere in whose image they were made.
adlai: so all retards are retarded in His image, but some retards are 'more equal than others'?
kakobrekla: stfu he is speaking of muhammad
kakobrekla: or was it zeus?
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danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-11-2015#1329180 << there is the "book of life," but not everyone's name is written in it
assbot: Logged on 21-11-2015 17:43:09; mircea_popescu: now you're presuming there exists a heavenly Births & Deaths register
kakobrekla: do away with your crazytalk.
adlai: there is also the chain of knowledge of valid and invalid
mircea_popescu: !up linton_s_dawson
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron well that'd be a different thing then wouldn't it.
mircea_popescu: but continuing our illustrated history of marilyn's lyf, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcuax5h8jx1ri1o17o1_1280.jpg
BingoBoingo: <kakobrekla> or was it zeus? << Brodin, the All Spotter
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linton_s_dawson: mircea_popescu: i've seen your argument regarding the "true" value of a bitcoin where it has nothing to do with fiat. do you have a way to determine it? say, i start a community and we agree to use bitcoin as a currency. how many apples would one bitcoin (bit, satoshi, etc.) buy?
kakobrekla: the same if you exchange it on buttstamp
mircea_popescu: this is a question to be answered by that community neh ?
mircea_popescu: in general the supply side is going to be "as many btc as that community can get hands on" and the demand side will be "all the goods and services it wants to trade".
mircea_popescu: this question is a lot less theoretical than it seems, seeing how eulora.
linton_s_dawson: indeed. the community must consist of "true believers" as well, i guess, since external factors can easily screw things up. like, if 1 btc buys 5 apples in my community but 1000 apples in the outer world.
mircea_popescu: this is resolved through arbitrage.
mircea_popescu: either the "1000 apples" of outer world fiction is crushed by your demand,
mircea_popescu: or else your 5 apples delusion is crushed by the outer world supply.
kakobrekla: linton_s_dawson pick a price and ill arbitrage it
adlai: if there's an "outer world", you may have violated "where it has nothing to do with fiat"?
linton_s_dawson: so disconnection from the outer world doesn't seem feasible unless i'm on another planet
kakobrekla: depends how far the planet is
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ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: gprs nice
BingoBoingo: ty ben_vulpes
BingoBoingo: Gland to bring to your personal Africa
ben_vulpes: the sobriety kick if still in effect has been good lulz
BingoBoingo: It's still going.
ben_vulpes: ganbatte, panzer.
mircea_popescu: did he just say "gland" ?
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BingoBoingo: Isn't that what GPRS stands for "Gland Packet Radio System" you know that system used for spreading HIV
BingoBoingo: !up linton_s_dawson
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you own that juice chair ? i'd like to know how it works: which way do the legs go? through the metal brace, or is the latter a backrest?
mircea_popescu: legs go in front
asciilifeform: the cone seems oddly vertical
mircea_popescu: i don't own it nor is it a functional object.
asciilifeform: hm, looked potentially functioning.
mircea_popescu: that's art fer ya!
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mircea_popescu: ahahaha what.
mircea_popescu: that;s adorbs.
mircea_popescu: "i'm writing a book as a fallback plan in case i go broke". 14 yo.
BingoBoingo: It's from the mines
BingoBoingo: trying to broaden my idiot mining empire
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mircea_popescu: if you're bored
BingoBoingo: I'll give it a look
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu got a torrent for that flick?
assbot: Classical Wiener space - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1lBnA5r )
mircea_popescu: it is altogether dubious that brownian motion is a stochastic process.
mircea_popescu: not that this is a bad approximation in any sense. but, contiguity is too juicy to have.
BingoBoingo: WTF UK press recongugal words, the WWE event with the "terror threat" is survivor series not survival series
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mircea_popescu: "...Now I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country. Men, all this stuff you've heard about America not wanting to fight - wanting to stay out of the war, is a lot of horse dung. Americans traditionally love to fight. All real Americans love the sting of battle. When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble
mircea_popescu: shooter, the fastest runner, big league ball players, the toughest boxers. Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost and never will lose a war, because the very thought of losing is hateful to Americans."
BingoBoingo: Patton also loved playing with dolls when he grew up and kept wearing dresses long after the neighbor kids stopped
mircea_popescu: did he now
asciilifeform is set to 'sloth' and too lazy to dig up the old patton thread
mircea_popescu: not enough lsd ?
asciilifeform: !s patton
assbot: 18 results for 'patton' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=patton
asciilifeform: ^ in there somewhere.
BingoBoingo: he did
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assbot: Broward bus driver blamed in 16 accidents, still on job - Sun Sentinel ... ( http://bit.ly/1MuHEPH )
deedbot-: [Qntra] Claims "Anonymous" Uncovered "World Terror Day" Threat Circulating - http://qntra.net/2015/11/claims-anonymous-uncovered-world-terror-day-threat-circulating/
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 325.22, Best ask: 325.49, Bid-ask spread: 0.27000, Last trade: 325.29, 24 hour volume: 10314.23004937, 24 hour low: 318.95, 24 hour high: 329.35, 24 hour vwap: None
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mircea_popescu: WWE's Survivor Series in Atlanta, Georgia
mircea_popescu: ahahaha wut.
BingoBoingo: It's a pay per view event
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BingoBoingo: Gotta remember ISIS is also a group of teenage boys
phf: funkenstein_: public class MortalThing << http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyiqu5VFK71qz6f4bo2_500.jpg
phf: just because you can do it, doesn't give it meaning. in fact that sort of attempts at ontology result in a lot of bad code. (not to mention that they are doomed to failure, e.g. semantic web)
phf: alan kay's, sonya keene's, etc. examples are window systems and thread locks, where's every single shitty intro to objects book uses the utterly meaningless "dog and cow are subclasses of animal".
ben_vulpes: teaching OOP with models that "reflect the real world" instead of the programming environment is bad pedagogy and does a massive disservice to anyone who endures it.
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phf: you can attempt to teach oop that reflects the real world, but then you should be talking in terms of communicating agents, and that will lead you to the chinese room, at which point you'd be amiss not drop some acid.
phf: but since you can't do that in the format of american higher education, we're stuck with dog and cow bullshit
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assbot: Fellow zoologists! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1O9kNvp )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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funkenstein_: phf, thanks for that gary larson XD love it
funkenstein_: how does oop lead to discussion of communication agents?
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funkenstein_: so here's a fun one: take yi yi zhi yi and add a "fen" in the middle: yi yi fen zhi yi
funkenstein_: 一亿分之一 one hundred millionth
assbot: A Tale of Two Breakfasts, or, The Whore's Broth on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1W2MtlA )
assbot: A Tale of Two Breakfasts, or, The Whore's Broth on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1W2MtlA )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aha, and also from earlier photo set with the gift shop and the statue of some saint
BingoBoingo: That thing seems to make quite a few appearances
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell PeterL Congrats on ruining Ohio State's year
gribble: The operation succeeded.
adlai: !up liquidassets
assbot: Costco shopper who broke leg after shoving receipt checker loses lawsuit seeking $610,000 | OregonLive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1QWuXjF )
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asciilifeform: 'I am curious as to how many jurors they went through before they found a non Costco member.....or if they did.' << from commentz
phf: funkenstein_: alan kay's objects communicate with each other by sending messages. this is the approach taken explicitly in smalltalk, flavors (one of the lisp machine lisps), objective-c. the idea was inspired by john mccarthy's earlier concept of agents, intelligent systems that engage into q/a sessions with a user. a concurrent take on the same idea is called actors model and is implemented in erlang (and a bunch of other languages,
phf: but that's the well known one).
phf:
phf: i was saying that agents/actor is the only valuable dydactic take on object orientation in real world, it both properly traces oop history and also has meaningful parallels in biology and physics.
phf: a lot of "expected" oop behaviors like objects owning methods, synchronous bidirectional messaging that is equivalent to a procedure call, extreme early binding, etc. are artifacts of implementation and optimization strategies, as such they don't have meaning, don't have "real world" correspondence and just are. building taxonomies on such a shaky theoretical foundation results in a very messy thinking
asciilifeform: phf: the last 20+ yrs of nonlisp resulted in the typical sane and technically-literate fella having an extreme allergy to just about any mention of oop
asciilifeform: (see, e.g., mircea_popescu's reaction when the subject was brought up)
asciilifeform: because - like it or not - when you walk into the book shop, or even the university library, today, and look for oop - you don't get a. kay's smalltalk, s. keene's clos, or kiczales's 'metaobject protocol.' you get: java, 'gang of four', and other swill.
asciilifeform: and we're actually long past the point where a typical instructor (phd) learned on the latter
asciilifeform: and on NONE of the actual classics of the subject
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mircea_popescu: on top of which, i suspect there's a large chunk of "strange woman" in all this also.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ??
mircea_popescu: (ie, we don't even know the sore spots of say kay objects, mostly because they never got a chance to be found mostly because idiots came and covered everything)
asciilifeform: eh not quite, we have some idea
mircea_popescu: ie, "wouldn't the strange woman in the train made a great wife"
mircea_popescu: "no. she snores."
asciilifeform: talk to the smalltalk aficionados.
asciilifeform: (there are sore spots, aha. but this one here's a woman and the other one is a sack of potatoes with fuckhole drilled in)
mircea_popescu: well sure/
adlai: new TLD for the W, DC: .orc
mircea_popescu: ;;seen dub
gribble: dub was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 30 weeks, 1 day, 15 hours, 23 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <dub> hey now! meatspace can be busy
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phf: asciilifeform: rightly so, conversation around oop is long rotten, they are working over fp now :) above wall of text is more of an archaeological find
phf: but nice thing about log, can talk без купюр, get called out. otherwise it's of little relevance what sort of education phds get or what you can buy at a bookstore. we're sort of long on the same page that status quo is subpar
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