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phf: perhaps http://retrodeluxe-msx.org, https://github.com/EtchedPixels/FUZIX alan cox thing, unix that targets z80, builds with pcc
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assbot: Logged on 15-05-2014 00:24:14; mircea_popescu: in which alan cox fucks up the pty.
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ben_vulpes: today i learned that one can else in a for in python
ben_vulpes: what the shit
phf: it's a pretty useful behavior
ben_vulpes: oh i get it now.
phf: like for example, for stuff in things: if right(stuff): break; else: error("can't get the right stuff")
ben_vulpes: but that's inside out!
phf: i think typical refactoring done elsewhere is to put the whole for loop into a small function, replace break with return and then assume that any escape out of loop is an error
phf: or rather an escape out of loop means that nothing was found and the alternative should be taken
phf: otherwise you need to do foo=NULL; for(...) {...}; if(!foo) { ... }
ben_vulpes: looks like ad hoc implementation of common use cases with arbitrary language features to me, but i've also spent a bit of time with the loop macro lately
phf: but then you potential run into sentinel issue
ben_vulpes: i just discovered named loops and returning from inner loops to arbitrary outer loops and am just startled at this particular codification of the pattern.
ben_vulpes: it's an interesting gem demonstrating how the design of a language determines how people think about solving problems in it.
ben_vulpes: related: mod6 and asciilifeform's v implementations.
phf: named loops in common lisp? i don't actually know the feature
phf: but speaking of v.pl, lines 92-102, is precisely that pattern
ben_vulpes: yeah, using variables.
ben_vulpes: the else thing just threw me.
ben_vulpes: (loop named foo ... (loop named bar ... (return-from foo thinger))
phf: in fact in v's case $verified serves no other purpose, but to do the whole for:else:
ben_vulpes: exactly.
phf: oh yeah, re lisp, i've not had a chance to use it, but i'm pretty sure i have a bunch of code that does (loop .. do (catch :foo ... (loop ... (throw :foo ...)))
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phf: probably can be cleaned up, but where's that catch being interpolated when you do (loop named foo...)
ben_vulpes: interpolated?
phf: placed in the form that's the result of macro expansion of loop
phf: oh, it's placed around, so (loop named foo ...) == (block foo (loop ...))
phf: ok, on this incoherent note, i'm going to sleep
ben_vulpes: ah, blocks under the hood
ben_vulpes: i've not touched blocks yet.
phf: ben_vulpes: yeah, you can do macroexpand on loop to see what's going on underneath, though it's probably least readable macroexpansion
punkman: bon dia
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punkman: http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/11/airplane-maintenance-disturbing-truth travel by boat an increasingly attractive proposition
assbot: The Disturbing Truth About How Airplanes Are Maintained Today | Vanity Fair ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBdZry )
shinohai: Perhaps there are equally disturbing truths concerning boat maintenance somewhere.
BingoBoingo: Overheated, core breach https://archive.is/LM8SF
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assbot: Czur scanner : build your own digital library | Indiegogo ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mxt6jw )
copypaste: Cool, an affordable book scanner
copypaste: I've seen current professional book scanners, they are huge and cost $10K USD minimum
copypaste: Oh, actually, it's not that impressive.
copypaste: I thought it had all the moving parts of a pro one; automatic page turning and so on
punkman: page turning is tricky indeed
assbot: Amazon.com: Fujitsu PA03641-B005 Document Scanner: Electronics ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mxu13k )
copypaste: color me unimpressed
copypaste: this Fujitsu product has been out a year already, and since it's not a KickStarter there's actually a chance of getting what you ppaid for ;)
punkman: yeah this design seems nice for quick document scanning
punkman: the foot pedal seems like a nice touch on the Czur
copypaste: And here is a pro book scanner like Google would use for their Books service https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdipuAuWsEs
assbot: ScanRobot 2.0 MDS: Scanning very thick books up to 15 cm (6 inch) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MxuN0h )
copypaste: i doubt they needed that much money just to make a foot pedal
copypaste: I am again thoroughly convinced that KickStarter is nothing more than a platform for clueless derps to make money on even more clueless derps
copypaste: well, maybe it's a good thing for Communist countries. It gives people something to do.
copypaste: "Your job is to turn pages and press a red button."
copypaste: "Da"
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thestringpuller: anyone in china that can do me a solid?
jurov: a what?
shinohai actually wishes he was in China.
thestringpuller: "BitPay and Coinbase are forward-thinking companies." My lulz for the day are complete.
assbot: The desperate tactics being used to avoid inheritance tax - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1kmUMNC )
punkman: "A wealthy, elderly man, for example, could technically marry the father of his daughter’s children. This would enable an estate of any size to pass tax-free into the next generation on the older man’s death. After his elderly “husband” had died, of course, the younger man would be free to marry the daughter, with the estate thus secured intact."
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-11-2015#1321203 << a unix or any other multitask os, on an 8-bit box with no mmu, running at a few MHz - would be a sad joke
assbot: Logged on 10-11-2015 04:57:52; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what kind of os would one run on that kind of hardware? old 'nixy' things?
asciilifeform: (though yes, it is physically possible)
asciilifeform: so no, this would not be your pc, it would be a machine with a specific purpose
asciilifeform: ideally, a purpose that fit into 64kB of z80.
asciilifeform: (and i anticipate that somebody will mention bank switching. ahahaha. tricks like that demolish the already unenviable performance of such a box)
asciilifeform: so, a 'soviet' comp built in 2015 would have to have a very specific purpose in life. e.g., xoring serial stream with a onetimepad stored on magnetic tape, or the like.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-11-2015#1321246 << can't wait for the 'hyooooooman rightz!!!!111' nato bootlicks to help this fella emigrate to usa and practice his fascinating 'art' in washington.
assbot: Logged on 10-11-2015 13:30:52; copypaste: I've seen current professional book scanners, they are huge and cost $10K USD minimum
asciilifeform: at least not the $15k one i used some years ago
asciilifeform: today i use a tripod and ordinary digital cam, similar to how old-time spies used 'minox'
asciilifeform: it works fine.
asciilifeform: scanning books is very tedious work, but it is important to remember that:
asciilifeform: 1) there are NOT so many books worth keeping!
asciilifeform: 2) NOBODY ought to have to do this twice
asciilifeform: which is why a proper w4r3z infrastructure is essential. folks will scan if they have some notion that the result will be taken up and live.
asciilifeform: for completeness, and because mircea_popescu is asleep, i will mention the third,
asciilifeform: 3) could always just decide that books are for the birds, and that the congo is an acceptable standard of civilization.
asciilifeform: 3 comes with risks though.
thestringpuller: i choose 3
thestringpuller: so BIP-65 adoption may kill XT if it's not merged in
thestringpuller: since BIP-65 and BIP-101 are incompatible in practice
mircea_popescu: say my name say my name
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thestringpuller: today i learned that mircea_popescu listens to destiny's child
thestringpuller: yesterday I learned what he looked like as a child
thestringpuller: i wonder what I'll learn tomorrow
jurov googled bip-65 , first cam giihub, second one qntra. wd!
mircea_popescu: i wonder what the libtards will do when they discover the machines actually like their enemies much better than them
thestringpuller: iirc from terminator that's when we start time traveling?
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mircea_popescu: who the hell is she ? i have this unshakable impression of knowing the girl
punkman: remy lacroix, she gets around
mircea_popescu: oh right
asciilifeform: recent wash., d.c. lulz for mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/GratyXB.jpg , http://i.imgur.com/2zAYWDJ.jpg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol, recall the indian kid ? with an idea ? for an app ?
asciilifeform: can't say that i do..
asciilifeform: and doesn't every indian kid 'have idea for app'
mircea_popescu: o was such a great thread. lemme fish it out.
assbot: "You cannot fix a machine by just power-cycling it with no understanding of what is going wrong." on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RLBmfH )
asciilifeform: the 2nd photo is even lulzier
asciilifeform: so much braindamage packed into one ad
asciilifeform: 'each gift helps outfit a woman for her interview'
asciilifeform: sorta implies that there is this silent mass of downtrodden mill gurlz or somesuch who could have the coveted american dream (tm) Respectable Job, if only she could afford a new skirt...
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the ring works.
asciilifeform: and that the moneyed ladies who buy ersatz chocolate in a train station for the cost of its weight in plutonium, ought to pay for this
mircea_popescu: it's not a practical matter. it's that if you give a woman a token she can fix her grip on, she'll be less anxious and more confident
asciilifeform: which ring? the 'one ring to rule them all and in the darkness bind'em' ?
mircea_popescu: think baby in bath situation. needs your finger! FOR BALANCE!!1
mircea_popescu: so, give her this supervaluable unique important trinket that can focus the love and good will of the community for her.
mircea_popescu: it's there in mythology as well, for the 50% of the heroic population that's battling cunted demons in their head.
asciilifeform: baby in the bath wants finger, but won't grab the faucet - how does the charity thing work
asciilifeform: where is the 'human element' or whatnot
asciilifeform: or do i just lack the necessary lsd here.
mircea_popescu: you don't see how the charity aspect actually strengthens it ?
mircea_popescu: "he doesn't love me, he just likes my tits, doesn't count."
asciilifeform: precisely
mircea_popescu: "these people don't even know me! IT MUST BE FOR THE REAL ME"
asciilifeform: ah, and the charity 'could not possibly like my tits,' ergo - genuine ..?
mircea_popescu: which, in the kind of the sort of woman that doesn't even own her own suit, is precisely how it goes. "real me = motherhood" or some bs.
asciilifeform: 'it must be ~ME~!111!, couldn't possibly be my mass in pork !'
mircea_popescu: anyway, the 2nd add is very well done, i wouldn't negrate the author
mircea_popescu: even tho they're an advertiser.
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mircea_popescu: (the above is, incidentally, the whole reason and rationale of the diamond ring, and the fact this point is never made in oh-so-edgy and libertarded discussions of the habit plainly indicates for me just how much of women do the incels in question understand, and what miserable family heads they;'d make.
mircea_popescu: not yet old enough to own his own goat, something pashtun kid passed with flying colors age 11. but hey, maybe "we" "need" to spend more on "education". clearly it's been doing wonders for them.)
mircea_popescu: anyway, bbl.
assbot: Peercoin blockchain fork of 2015-11-09 - Peercoin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1PAlA8q )
jurov: btw, bitmonero is going to hardfork, too
funkenstein_: is that a repeat of the block 168000 fork?
funkenstein_: maybe not exactly the same but appears to also be related to dynamic linking to whatever happens to be there in openSSL
assbot: U.S. charges three in huge cyberfraud targeting JPMorgan, others| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1knkrpx )
asciilifeform: preeeet!
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BingoBoingo: <copypaste> I thought it had all the moving parts of a pro one; automatic page turning and so on << Faster still is cutting the spine off of book and using sheet fed scanner
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: generally, the books for which this option is attractive are ~already~ on warez
asciilifeform: and otherwise you're nuking something worth 300-500 usd
asciilifeform: (depending on the b00k)
BingoBoingo: Also for that purpose get the trade paperback of the book.
asciilifeform: again those tend to be findable in clean scan ALREADY
asciilifeform: and/or being pablum that isn't worth scanning to begin with
BingoBoingo: Page numbering gets fucked in mass market paperback
asciilifeform: (if nobody scans '50 shades of shit' or whatnot - it'll be a ~better~ future)
BingoBoingo: <jurov> btw, bitmonero is going to hardfork, too << Up to twice a year
jurov: rly? lol
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: that's pretty ingenius. going to tell people that next time someone asks me how to "scan a book"
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: generally, the books for which this option is attractive are ~already~ on warez << Sure
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and otherwise you're nuking something worth 300-500 usd << For this you want a sewn hardcover to unsew, or a page flipping monkey
BingoBoingo: jurov: Yeah, It's what got MP disinterested
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> again those tend to be findable in clean scan ALREADY << But yes, reason these are available in clean scan is exactly not fancy "book scannzors" but likely sensible people who know to lop the spine off and just do the sheetfed thing.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: actually not a single one of my ru scans looks like the result of cutting spine & sheetfed
asciilifeform: i suspect that partly it is a cultural thing
asciilifeform: but partly that you don't nuke something that nobody will be making any more of, and which you ~like having~ enough to want to go through the bother of a scan
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thestringpuller: so for now one buy 2 copies of everything
thestringpuller: one to gut one for collecting
mircea_popescu: wait why for me ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-11-2015#1321251 << in honesty i never quite understood the "scrap boats" thing in the 30s/40s. or rather, why in the 50s they didn't fix it.
assbot: Logged on 10-11-2015 09:12:17; punkman: http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/11/airplane-maintenance-disturbing-truth travel by boat an increasingly attractive proposition
mircea_popescu: ok, so via plane you get there faster. whatever. what if you're not the sort of infantile imbecile that has to get places fast ?
mircea_popescu: what if what's important is to get there with three women and a library in woprking order, while having your evening port in comfort ?
BingoBoingo: Boat can have problems too
mircea_popescu: sure. but on the speed/size continuum all choices are arbitrary. you don't don a spacesuit to be shot to new york.
mircea_popescu: maybe i want to travel in no less than 1k sqft.
BingoBoingo: ;;google edmund fitzgerald
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mircea_popescu: "In a truly weird turn, the Mizzou story now seems to have rotated into a battle between activists and another Mizzou institution: the media."
mircea_popescu: lmao, the media is "a mizzou institution" ?
mircea_popescu: the media's everyone's enemy, doh.
assbot: Logged on 10-11-2015 22:09:41; mircea_popescu: ok, so via plane you get there faster. whatever. what if you're not the sort of infantile imbecile that has to get places fast ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but you understand how every urgency is the result of bad design, right ?
mircea_popescu: the person who's always in a rush is simply stupid by another name.,
asciilifeform: or slave
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BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> lmao, the media is "a mizzou institution" ? << "Top Journalism School"(TM)(R)
BingoBoingo: The j-school's building is probably in the best location on campus
mircea_popescu: see, libtard camp falling over itself on the score of "who shall profit from this event".
BingoBoingo: Seriously
assbot: Logged on 10-11-2015 13:40:20; copypaste: I am again thoroughly convinced that KickStarter is nothing more than a platform for clueless derps to make money on even more clueless derps
assbot: Logged on 10-11-2015 15:29:16; punkman: "A wealthy, elderly man, for example, could technically marry the father of his daughter’s children. This would enable an estate of any size to pass tax-free into the next generation on the older man’s death. After his elderly “husband” had died, of course, the younger man would be free to marry the daughter, with the estate thus secured intact."
mircea_popescu: the consequences of the derps "revolutionizing" things are always this one and the same.
mircea_popescu: not "technically" and not "desperate". the word is "in yo' face, foos!" and "you are poor for a reason, and that reason is you suck."
assbot: Logged on 10-11-2015 15:51:29; asciilifeform: 2) NOBODY ought to have to do this twice
mircea_popescu: they shouldn't have been fucking books in the first place.
mircea_popescu: dumbass process from hell. write a blog already.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: like it or not, just about everything worth knowing at present is ONLY on dead tree
asciilifeform: not even in a live head anywhere.
asciilifeform: sorta like it's the year 1000 again.
jurov: ;;ticker
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mircea_popescu is in principle opposed to scanning books for the same reason he was against the "preservation of historical buidlings" in http://trilema.com/2009/el-ingenioso-hidalgo-don-quijote-de-la-mancha-si-conul-andrei-pippidi/ (and summarized in http://trilema.com/2009/n-am-putea-sa-avem-si-noi/#selection-49.186-53.326 )
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you could wait 10,000 years for it all to get rediscovered but IT'S GONNA END UP IN BOOKS AGAIN
asciilifeform: forfuckssake
mircea_popescu: ie, there, "it's not the job of the state to protect the cultural patrimony OF INDIVIDUALS and their clans ; if those individuals and clans are so degenerate, bankrupt and chlorotioc as to no longer be able to protect their heritage, let the worms havce it. no, not even for comunist metaphisics ; no, the property of x isn't "ours", no x's history isn't "ours". let them uphold it or let it die.
mircea_popescu: same exact fucking thing with the books : they belong to a defeated people.
mircea_popescu: either retel the
mircea_popescu: either retell the books you care about or let them die.
phf: après nous le déluge
mircea_popescu: they lost. i didn't tell them to lose. they did it all on their own.
mircea_popescu: unless they come back out from the graves and make books matter again, they get burried with them.
mircea_popescu: i'm not scanning fucking accra idols, either. i piss on them instead. they make fine urinals, for a very good reason.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu sees no difference between, e.g., galois algebra, and an idiot idol ?
mircea_popescu: is it in a book ?
mircea_popescu: if it's in the logs it gets to live.
mircea_popescu: if it's not in the log, the difference is not there.
asciilifeform: it isn't in the log until it is.
mircea_popescu: so put it in there. but mind what i said : RETELL.
mircea_popescu: this is important. the defeated tribe does not get to live on through "scanning".
asciilifeform: i can retell galois or i can $work.
mircea_popescu: they get culturally absorbed. the price is complete and total loss of identity.
mircea_popescu: like women marry. no rights for the people of books.
asciilifeform: btw ru did this when it swallowed europe's maths & eng.
mircea_popescu: and look how well it worked.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, "america" (the ideal construct, that never really existed) SCANNED the fucking europe books.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, i betcha you learned 'ostrogradsky's' and not 'gauss's' theorem.
mircea_popescu: look where it's now.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, it was gauss'. the romanians sat omn the sidelines poking fun at the russians.
asciilifeform: then only because of this.
mircea_popescu: kinda why/how that "ustards keep rebranding things" article came about. the comment in the house of mp was "check these idiots out, like the second coming of some castrated soviets"
funkenstein_: hardcopy can survive a generation of nobody giving a shit.
mircea_popescu: it can't survive this.
mircea_popescu: it is culturally irrelevant now, because i expect my text searchable and my lines logged and indexed and so forth.
mircea_popescu: there's no way for books to compete with the log.
funkenstein_: as long as there are people of means archiving the log, i agree
mircea_popescu: this is not a valid precondition
mircea_popescu: as it's the precondition to culture in general.
mircea_popescu: if there aren't, books aren't gonna MAKE THEM
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> it can't survive this. << this is demonstrably false.
mircea_popescu: the us experience again is informative.
funkenstein_: look at e.g. greek classics.. would be lost without hard copies in arabic
asciilifeform: i personally picked up too many of these to list. and they will live for at least as long as i do.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ill be sure to recall this if we dispute computers in the future :)
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ they ARE lost.
funkenstein_: ouch
asciilifeform: i dug balanced ternary system out of FUCKING BOOKZ
asciilifeform: and could have otherwise spent my whole life rediscovering it
mircea_popescu: good for you, asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: good for YOU.
asciilifeform: so this is all batshit. if i need islam i know where to find it
mircea_popescu: i dug whatever, the giving tree out of a book too.
mircea_popescu: it sucked as i found it.
mircea_popescu: and im not linking to the book. because, elementary, can't. because IT is fucking islam.
mircea_popescu: (i lie, i never read the actual book, it was online or it wouldn't have existed.)
phf: is the idea that ascii can read book, or whatever, can even give me copy to read, or whatever, but ultimately there's not going to be library of b-a, because only relevant knowledge is whatever ascii or i (in this example) say in the logs, how we got there is our own business?
mircea_popescu: pretty much.
mircea_popescu: to put it another way, if you think the SCANNING is time consuming you have nfi.
phf: right
asciilifeform: the translation, reading, GROKKING, etc. are very time consuming. i expect to spend most of my life on it.
asciilifeform: but none of it can happen without the scanz!
mircea_popescu: i expect you to be happy that your life ends before it.
mircea_popescu: because... srsly, think about it.
asciilifeform: not having to rederive, e.g., motherfucking group theory, is ~how we actually advance~. not because better classes of human were dropped down from the sky each generation, no. (quite opposite, afaik)
jurov: yes, should we recreate everything out of orally handed first principles?
mircea_popescu: not a matter of should. that's reallty all you got.
mircea_popescu: not like anyone invented a substitute for actually re-derivign the whole group theory IN YOUR HEAD as part of "grokking" it.
mircea_popescu: what barbarian apostasy is this, the talisman of book ?
jurov: and burning the books helps how?
mircea_popescu: i only burned a coupla!
mircea_popescu: and also they were not very good.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: talisman of the parachute. it's old, rat-eaten, and has ДОСААФ 1966 printed on it, but ~it's the one you're wearing~ while falling. and you can try to make a new one out of your underwear before you splat, or use that one.
phf: well, it's very medieval idea (without the negative connotation) or reminiscent of samizdat culture. scans only come when someone asks for a scan, rather then the other way around, i.e. "archiving initiatives"
mircea_popescu: do i look like i'm falling to you ?
asciilifeform: no but only because 'i'm ok to ride a horse'
mircea_popescu: what more could there be ?
asciilifeform: i mean, this ~is~ a self-consistent thing. pashtun needs galois like a dog needs beets.
mircea_popescu: do you need all the ars longa you don't currently have ?
asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu for some reason is not moving to afghan, has not sold his computer, bought moar horse ?
asciilifeform: actually yes
mircea_popescu: relax, alfie. you got plenty of time.
asciilifeform: i'ma need electron beam lithography, for instance.
asciilifeform: and possibly a bit of else.
funkenstein_ once had pictures of dog eating beets. Sadly they were never put on paper so lost after a decade or so.
asciilifeform: phf: at no point did i ever propose 'scan everything'
asciilifeform: that'd be the braindamaged pack rat approach, and yes, it has adherents
mircea_popescu: loot the tombs at your leisure.
mircea_popescu: just for as long as you understand they're tombs. you don't belong there.
asciilifeform: exactly what i was suggesting re: the scanz.
mircea_popescu: what's that great quote...
asciilifeform: and i think i might have once described how maths is to work should a sane computer ever be constructed
asciilifeform: (as a demonstrable moving part of the edifice)
asciilifeform: somewhere, in the logz
mircea_popescu: "My companion drew in the dank, cold air of the Tomb. It seemed to... strengthen him. I stood in the doorway between Light and Dark. What was left of my sanity implored me not to enter. But that voice... was just a whisper now. As we worked our way down, deeper and deeper into the Crypt, I began to see a change in my companion. He seemed to be gaining strength. I could hardly see in the gloom, but my companion seemed t
mircea_popescu: o know the way. We came at last to a great hall... It was then I realized my companion hadn't been gaining strength. He had been losing what was left of his humanity."
mircea_popescu: damn the dumbass "humanity" all to hell.
mircea_popescu , perfectly willing to wipe books altogether to get rid of rousseau & friendz.
mircea_popescu: or in other words, books, much like plutonium, are liable to make your stupid and your offspring monstruous. handle with care.
asciilifeform: does mircea_popescu have anti-rousseau spray to apply to prevent relapse ?
mircea_popescu: i read somewhere it can't be had.
asciilifeform: this also is sorta what the books are for.
mircea_popescu: not unless you mean "cancer is also what people are for"
phf: asciilifeform: right, i'm not arguing your original statement, just trying to understand this part of thread. if i wanted to grok electrodynamics, can get scan, or easier to just walk to friend and get landau of the shelf. doesn't matter that he has millions of other books, or that there's an archive of book scans somewhere. mp's point seems to be that the activity should be treated as tomb raiding either way, rather then "i have a
phf: library, therefore"
asciilifeform: phf: everybody and his mother has a copy of landau
asciilifeform: but many of my own explorations are powered by relatively obscure works
mircea_popescu: i just don't want the easy mistake be made where the stupidity of the children of books today is ascribed to non-bookdom.
mircea_popescu: it is UPON THE BOOKS. they, chiefly, mostly, did this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 3 y.o. finds an uzi, sprays. not the machine's fault
asciilifeform: it's an excellent leadthrower
asciilifeform: the other thing is that, at least from my perch, nowhere are there symptoms that the folks pushing rousseauism actually read the bloody book
asciilifeform: idiots are perfectly able to propagate their cults without the verbatim text
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punkman: asciilifeform: that'd be the braindamaged pack rat approach, and yes, it has adherents << dunno, I like archive.org
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The danger of unchecked assumptions, or the surprising depths of inequality. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/11/10/the-danger-of-unchecked-assumptions-or-the-surprising-depths-of-inequality/
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu mazdak, quite possibly, was 'rousseau' long before rousseau. what bookz do we blame him on ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: unless i catastrophically misread this thread, it is almost as if mircea_popescu thought that stupidity were a ~technology~ that we'd be happily without if only some malefactor had not carefully developed it, and dropped on us, like a nuke
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski Tag Heuer is more $1500 than 10 k price range
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: The danger of unchecked assumptions, or the surprising depths of inequality. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hw8WpF )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: The danger of unchecked assumptions, or the surprising depths of inequality. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hw9JXz )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: Buterin doesn't get to keep 44k btc
asciilifeform: got private key ? could keep if he likes.
asciilifeform: or what, coke machine ?
punkman: he must spent it on stupid shit
asciilifeform: 'must' how ?
asciilifeform: could move it to a fresh addr and vanish tomorrow.
asciilifeform: like the others.
punkman: he already had a chance to do that
punkman: or maybe never had the keys
asciilifeform: it's a very convenient rationalization
asciilifeform: when an idiot has xxxxx btc, 'oh but he couldn't possibly have the keyz'
asciilifeform: why the everliving fuck not.
asciilifeform: and SOMEBODY has the keys.
asciilifeform: what now, all of these 'somebodies' are gurus worthy of submission and imitation ?
punkman: somebody has, and they will spend it on eth "development", "conferences", etc
asciilifeform: ergo not so smart.
punkman: whoever keeps it, is smart
BingoBoingo: Carl Mark Force Model IV has the keys
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc the moron sold it all
asciilifeform: so he'd be a point in support of pete_dushenski's hypothesis
assbot: Pillow Talk connects distant lovers as they drift to sleep ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2tB4k )
BingoBoingo: There's more of that idiot's production
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but this is the problem of the bloody book. in "removing the requirement for a wot" it creates more problems than it resolves
mircea_popescu: admitting it resolves any.
asciilifeform: how does it remove ?
mircea_popescu: and NO, idiots are not able to propagate anything without the printing press. which is why prior to it there were 5000 different idiocies summing to 0 and ever since tyhen we've been deluged in organised imbecillity.
asciilifeform: tora/koran/et al worked fine without press.
mircea_popescu: and yes, stupidity is a technology like any other.
asciilifeform: schmucks sat with goose pen.
asciilifeform: anyway, i need not-having-knuth (or table of motherfucking permeattivity constants, or landau, or,or,or,x10,000) like i need to have my arms and legs and cock chopped.
asciilifeform: i don't see this argument going anywhere.
assbot: In general evreii trec drept oameni destepti, on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2tSEc )
mircea_popescu: the idea that the torah is a book is a peculiar one.
mircea_popescu: it's a scroll.
mircea_popescu: scrolls scan just fine.
asciilifeform: book in general sense.
mircea_popescu: there IS NOT SUCH A GENERAL SENSE
asciilifeform: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTCgl3WUAAAXKjv.jpg:large (via vexual.) seems like they finally killed esp8266.
mircea_popescu: "usg in the general sense"
mircea_popescu: books mean a very specific PERVERSION of culture ; much like usg is a very specific perversion of governance.
asciilifeform: 'esp32' !!111!111 now with all the bullshit you enjoyed not having in the original!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm approximately as interested in inhabiting a world without landau as you are in inhabiting world without cunt.
mircea_popescu: so keep it.
asciilifeform: that's kinda what the thread was about
asciilifeform: but then we get 'but it isn't in the logz, ergo useless'
mircea_popescu: it is in the log via you. is it ?
asciilifeform: not wholesale ...
mircea_popescu: aha so then.
asciilifeform: 'Besides integrating hardware accelerators for AES and SSL....'
asciilifeform: 'a rich peripheral interface with DMA.....'
asciilifeform: oh for fux sake
mircea_popescu blames books.
asciilifeform: RIP esp8266
asciilifeform: we hardly knewya
asciilifeform: now i gotta wait for mircea_popescu to teach me to make replacement for it out of horses
mircea_popescu: "e simplu : pune coaiele pe nicolava".
mircea_popescu: dja know the joke ?
mircea_popescu: arab guy through the desert
mircea_popescu: camel is all slow and shit.
mircea_popescu: sees a camel soup-up and service shop. goes in
mircea_popescu: "do you make camels go faster ?" "aha"
mircea_popescu: "make this one go faster then!"
mircea_popescu: "put its ballsac on the anvil"
mircea_popescu: the guy does, the mechanic hammers it one solidly, the camel takes off doing something between scared hare and arrow in flight
mircea_popescu: "that's nice but... i'm still here. how do i catch it now ?"
mircea_popescu: "put ballsac on anvil."
trinque: lol!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, the thread was about you saying how nobody should have to reprocess books ; and i made the point that but for the historical accident, one wouldn't even have to process them in the first place.
mircea_popescu: it was meant as a soothing observation.
BingoBoingo: How does someone sooth a man with such clear and limited emotional registers?
deedbot-: [Qntra] Preet Ups the Charges for Coin.mx Operators - http://qntra.net/2015/11/preet-ups-the-charges-for-coin-mx-operators/
BingoBoingo: shinohai: If you qntra that now make sure to include details and history.
BingoBoingo: also shinohai if you decide to include it http://qntra.net/bundles/bharara.jpg
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-11-2015#1321394 <<< yeah intel eventually dug out some lines ab out how "hardforking is the future" and it entirely cooled me on the notion monero has any sort of future.
assbot: Logged on 10-11-2015 20:21:31; jurov: rly? lol
assbot: Media must use “StopHillary” Wi-Fi password at tonight’s Republican debate | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hwe1yc )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2072 @ 0.00055208 = 1.1439 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: they're worried about the wrong things.
mircea_popescu: then again... republicans, right ?
BingoBoingo: Seriously, now everybody in rf range can sniff their packets
shinohai: You're right BingoBoingo the pic makes it
BingoBoingo: But yes, these are typical failings of USia's other socialist party
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00055208 = 2.5672 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5792 @ 0.00054816 = 3.1749 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-11-2015#1321436 << makes one wonder about all the unintended consequences of this revolution
assbot: Logged on 10-11-2015 22:16:48; mircea_popescu: the consequences of the derps "revolutionizing" things are always this one and the same.
gabriel_laddel: Well folks, we're 202 days into MP's sustained attack on Stan's identity, and neither side shows signs of tiring. Meanwhile, the cardano languishes on the sidelines...
punkman: lol
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ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: good afternoon to you as well
mircea_popescu: wait wut! ?
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-4-2015 << somewhere in there perhaps? i have nfi.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hwlo93 )
punkman: hmm Uncle Vanya production is visiting, is the play any good?
asciilifeform: punkman: what's this
punkman: asciilifeform: which
asciilifeform: lullaby
punkman: from greek version of Federico García Lorca's Bodas de Sangre
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: what've you been smoking
asciilifeform: !up gabriel_laddel
gabriel_laddel: ty. Anyways, nothing?
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: howdy.
asciilifeform observed an interesting effect. have two very similar pairs of cheapo headphones, but one emits strange scratchy sounds, other does not. then realized that it is the ~insulation on the cord~ that was at fault
asciilifeform: one set had cloth fiber, to 'look retro' presumably
asciilifeform: and it scratched on shirt, chair, etc. and vibration - propagates
asciilifeform: the other, with the more ordinary smooth insulation does no such thing.
punkman: sounds like the wire is damaged, not the insulation
asciilifeform: brand new.
kakobrekla: yeah cable microphonics are annoying as fuck.
asciilifeform: this is WITHOUT ANY CURRENT
asciilifeform: as in, 100% mechanical
kakobrekla: yeah.
kakobrekla: seen that more that id wish to admit.
kakobrekla: than*
punkman: without current, like cans and string?
asciilifeform: precisely
punkman: oic
punkman: never seen this
kakobrekla: prolly most headphones do this.
asciilifeform: only this set with the cloth cable.
kakobrekla: most headphones have shitty cable.
asciilifeform: not in this particular way.
kakobrekla: superlux do this as well.
kakobrekla: put them on, unplugged, move the cable, hear noise.
asciilifeform: never before seen this.
kakobrekla: just lucky i guess.
asciilifeform: i've been through perhaps a hundred disposable sets
asciilifeform: and not one did this.
kakobrekla: very lucky.
punkman: question is, does nobody test the things before making a full factory run
asciilifeform: turns out not
asciilifeform: OR, more interestingly, yes, and it doesn't matter
asciilifeform: they laugh all the way to the bank
asciilifeform: the cloth on the cable is a classic 'fuffle'
asciilifeform: built to 'spray on' the appearance of quality where none exists
asciilifeform: sorta like those weights that have - likewise - turned up in certain heaphones
asciilifeform: which are in no actual way distinct in purpose or in effect from the weights found in fraudulent chinese hard disks
punkman: so you think it has big magnets?
asciilifeform: magnets, frame, etc.
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punkman: lol, bag of sand?
assbot: Islamization Watch: EGYPT: Chinese Alert, Fake Pharaohs and Incomplete Digital Korans Invade the Market ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qhchfg )
asciilifeform: 'China stops at nothing: incomplete digital Korans and fake pharaoh finds are invading the Egyptian market...'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00055049 = 2.4222 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 11-11-2015 00:20:11; mircea_popescu: "put ballsac on anvil."
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-11-2015#1321749 < just hope its not sand from fuckoshima
assbot: Logged on 11-11-2015 01:51:21; punkman: lol, bag of sand?
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.0005582 = 1.1722 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00055803 = 2.2042 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 10-11-2015 23:04:08; mircea_popescu: what's that great quote...
BingoBoingo: Is it just me, or does this feel a fuck of a lot like November 2012
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 310.84, vol: 57586.89267653 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 315.0, vol: 24033.10782 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 315.24, vol: 126558.1211521 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 312.0, vol: 8.57466047 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 312.354828, vol: 109012.58450000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 310.0, vol: 181.7988342 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 320.8864, vol: 252.88649976 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 313.435335195
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3079 @ 0.00055802 = 1.7181 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo mebbe.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron yep exactly.
BingoBoingo: It's still early, but that's what the correspondence to the past is *feeling* like
punkman: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-10/why-alibaba-is-having-singles-day-in-beijing-for-first-time "Transactions on this year’s event passed 57.1 billion yuan ($9 billion) before midday, eclipsing the 2014 mark with another 12 hours still to go."
assbot: Why Alibaba Is Having Singles' Day in Beijing for First Time - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1HwS7uW )
mircea_popescu: heh, their economy doesn't need stimuli ?
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