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BingoBoingo: It has been a long while since home has been hasseled though, and the fucking same black person driving my street several times in the same day is as suspicious as fuck.
phf: you should try buying some weed from him
BingoBoingo: It's like that CIA/KGB joke: "American asks how do you keep catching our spies. KGB answers stop sending niggers."
BingoBoingo: <phf> you should try buying some weed from him << Nah, I'll put eye holes in a pillowcase and keep it in my back pocket.
BingoBoingo: I got enough tape of local pols saying racist things to make a Preet believe I was a footsoldier in THEIR conspiracy of hatred
BingoBoingo: Feds read this channel so not like they weren't warned, though they might be miffed at my idea of local and other things...
phf: stand up and be counted show the world that you're a man
BingoBoingo: Mebbe I got people in the US house? Maybe I got people in the Illinois house... Maybe I got people in the US Senate, Maybe I got people in the Illinois senate.
BingoBoingo: phf: A man does agress with other people's words. USG does that. Ethics demands you only defend with that.
BingoBoingo: I have to imagine other USian residents here have similar stashes.
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BingoBoingo: You don't have to outrun the bear, just the slowest derp.
phf: man, i should learn by now not to click on your slimgr links
BingoBoingo: phf: Not all of them are so bad, but yeah... Dat Beetus gangrene
BingoBoingo: But seriously, the point of all of my drunk ramblings tonight ought to be learned early on the playground well before adulthood. If you know you are being harassed, keep evidence. Make the harasser's friends look like idiots by pretending to be their friend, and keep multiple copies of the evidence spread around in both probable and improbable places. Skipping some more probably places.
phf: in su we were taught a different strategy, since "having evidence" is top kek, know who to call if things go bad. if you had no one to call, you were shit out of luck
gabriel_laddel: phf: sorta like the chinese system?
BingoBoingo: <phf> in su we were taught a different strategy, since "having evidence" is top kek, know who to call if things go bad. if you had no one to call, you were shit out of luck << I figure why call? Make arrest as expensive as possible.
phf: i remember reading about chinese equivalent and noticing many similarities. they have a cool word for it, but i can't recall it
phf: guanxi
gabriel_laddel: phf: you're an old lisp hand right?
gabriel_laddel: phf: have you used CLIM?
phf: known as блат in russian, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blat_(favors). though that word is more often used in context of getting ahead i think it basically applies to overall structure of society. when shit hits the fan you call a your sister's husband's uncle who's a general, "vasily mikhalich, this is such and such..."
assbot: Blat (favors). - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1FSNH0P )
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phf: gabriel_laddel: probably not enough to be useful, i played with it but ultimately switched to lispwork's capi for projects
BingoBoingo: phf: This is why I love bars. People have no idea if they know you or not and will talk as if old friends. This isn't favors. This is a nuclear option.
BingoBoingo: Also impossible to make a case in a just system for extortion as no one has been threatened afore. In the worst case, if things work right hard to make a case that there was any connection between events at all.
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BingoBoingo: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/a-morbidly-obese-patient-tests-the-limits-of-a-doctors-compassion/2014/02/24/faf80438-7df9-11e3-9556-4a4bf7bcbd84_story.html << "“Don’t put him in a room right over the ER,” whispers the unit secretary to the admission clerk. “The floor won’t support him. He’ll come crashing through and kill us all.”"
assbot: A morbidly obese patient tests the limits of a doctor’s compassion - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvDcv5 )
BingoBoingo: "he seems to find succor in knowing that there’s no comment so cutting that it can’t be soothed by the balm of 8,000 calories per day."
BingoBoingo: "Though I have no way of knowing it, within a few months a crane will hoist the patient’s body through a hole cut in the side of his house, a hole that allowed EMS personnel to lower the body onto their new ultra-wide, ultra-sturdy gurney."
punkman: BingoBoingo: do funeral homes charge extra for hamplanets?
punkman: "We try a chest X-ray, turning up the power to the maximum setting. All we see is white: The patient’s body is just too thick to allow standard X-rays to penetrate to the bones; he is a walking lead shield."
punkman: lol
BingoBoingo: Surprisingly common now. When I was going into college dad suggested I do somthing medical with a geriatrics speciality. How he never new when I said no that Bariatrics would be so trendy.
phf: BingoBoingo: so apparently those masks could get a lot more elaborate then just a pillowcase with eye holes, http://imgur.com/r/creepy/xdNRHH3
assbot: 1876 Ku Klux Klan Mask - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvE1nz )
punkman: not bad
BingoBoingo: phf: But if you get that elaborate it looks like you care about their otherness. Far easier to get a ghostbusters pillocase and start with that for the alibi.
punkman: BingoBoingo: elaborate is also identifying, which I guess might be a problem if you wanna by anonymous
punkman: *be
BingoBoingo: ;;google ghostbusters pillcase
gribble: 8 Ways To Do Ghostbusters 3 Correctly - Tor.com: <http://www.tor.com/2013/03/01/8-ways-to-do-ghostbusters-3-correctly/>; Trading Faces - Ghostbusters Wiki - Wikia: <http://ghostbusters.wikia.com/wiki/Trading_Faces>; Stash Bag Pillow Case - ThisIsWhyImBroke.com: <http://www.thisiswhyimbroke.com/stash-bag-pillow-case>
BingoBoingo: ;;google ghostbusters pillowcase
gribble: 8 Ways To Do Ghostbusters 3 Correctly - Tor.com: <http://www.tor.com/2013/03/01/8-ways-to-do-ghostbusters-3-correctly/>; Shawn Mendes Selfie Magcon Boys Pillow Case - Wanelo: <https://wanelo.com/p/33812687/shawn-mendes-selfie-magcon-boys-pillow-case>; Win tickets to FreakNight 2015 | Consequence of Sound: <http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/09/win-tickets-to-freaknight-2015/>
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assbot: Pigdog Journal (Software Jihad) -- Larry Wall Unveils Perl 6.0.0 ... ( http://bit.ly/1McXorU )
punkman: what's next, they finish php6?
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punkman: "Windows 10: Off to the Hottest Start in History" "In just a few short months, it’s been incredible to see more than 110 million devices already running Windows 10."
punkman: impressive botnet indeed
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assbot: Gamers, Geeks on Epic Quest for Internet Freedom ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZerf0 )
punkman: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/upload/files/1444192000_kalaland03.jpg "Citizens Against Single Gateway first struck 30 Sept. when more than 100,000 people loaded and reloaded six major government websites until their servers were paralyzed."
punkman: why didn't the thai gov install some hardware in all the ISPs without making a fuss?
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BingoBoingo: <punkman> https://www.qualys.com/2015/10/02/opensmtpd-audit-report.txt << Big thread on OpenBSD-misc mailing list. Only consensus is mitigated outside the daemon on OpenBSD, gentoo maintainers port it wrong, and at least it isn't sendmail
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gabriel_laddel: I got flexi-trivial-dired to sorta work!
gabriel_laddel: (a CLIM dired implementation)
gabriel_laddel: last piece in the complete CLIM desktop experience
punkman: gabriel_laddel: is there a mirror of mcclim.cliki.net?
gabriel_laddel: punkman: not that I'm aware of
gabriel_laddel: punkman: what are you looking for? I'm pretty familiar with the current state of the docs.
punkman: I've looked at cliki entries for clim/mcclim and it's mostly broken links
assbot: robert-strandh/McCLIM · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmeXaC )
gabriel_laddel: ^ canonical repo
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asciilifeform: buenos dias señor popescu
asciilifeform: woah, that parking !
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:14:21; asciilifeform: rather than ab initio
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you wanna hear the cherry ?
mircea_popescu: it gets WINDY. parking on a 30% incline with 50mph winds.
asciilifeform: i bet 'hummers' turn over like dominoes
mircea_popescu: i dun think they even go there
asciilifeform: (or at least threaten to)
asciilifeform: the lot at my mechanic's shop is like this.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the street has yet to be invented in romaniawhere all the cars are parked within the same two inches from the sidewalk.
asciilifeform: (a fella from buenos aires, lulzily)
mircea_popescu: it's more like a foot
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd trust a ba mechanic. cook. dentist. plastic surgeon.
mircea_popescu: just... god help the army led by an argentine general ; or the country led by an argentine president etc. it'd do about as bad as the usarmy/usa.
gabriel_laddel: why the dentist & plastic surgeon?
mircea_popescu: contrary to what you might think, these are basically human pick-and-place machines.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293720 << myeah, it's one of those massive slogs that nevertheless have to be done.pretty muchonly argument in favour of a state, to pay for the pyramids.
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:14:54; phf: hah, i know some people working on that nci db of plausible compounds, part of the whole potomac russian jews community
asciilifeform: meanwhile them pyramids not doing so hot.
asciilifeform: mainly on account of the models being shit.
mircea_popescu: all models start out as shit.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: the models being shit is because of the von-n bottleneck, no?
mircea_popescu: all people, too.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: nope
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: it is actually because we do not have good models.
mircea_popescu: the models are shit because math is broken because idiots do strings theory and social fucking "sciences"
gabriel_laddel: could you elaborate or point me to some lit?
mircea_popescu: you think linux is in bad shape, that just means you don't know enough math.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: andrew leach, 'molecular modelling principles'
asciilifeform: for starters.
mircea_popescu: dude this guy has read everything
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is wrong with you!
asciilifeform: or hinchliffe's 'molecular mod. for beginnerz'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i used to eat with this.
mircea_popescu: what did you eat, glacial toluene ?
asciilifeform: with modelling, i meant.
mircea_popescu: anyway, leach, great book. i dun think i understood most of it, but nevertheless.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.molboxllc.com/services.html << photoz from my past life
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mircea_popescu: oh right, cuz you used to work at the mice farm, it's starting to come back to me
asciilifeform: well i personally never smelled the mice
asciilifeform: and i worked at two separate 'pharms', separated by some years
asciilifeform: but overall, yes
mircea_popescu has never been involved in the field, some minor amateur interest, and the math.
asciilifeform did a long tour of duty in empirical lab bio at u.s. nih while a schoolboy
mircea_popescu realises that probably no one else's light went off when alf was getting all excited about vmath that what he was seeing really was "omfg, usable molecular chem."
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gabriel_laddel: by vmath you mean PGP based academics?
mircea_popescu: i mean v-powered math.
mircea_popescu: it's in teh logs.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: consider russel&whitehead's thing. but done right.
mircea_popescu: right for a definition of right that didn't even exist pre 2015.
mircea_popescu: o wait im sorry
mircea_popescu: THAT WAS NOT EVEN FORMULABLE.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I remember reading it, and at the time I couldn't tell if you were discussing seriously using V as a basis for academics, or just the general notion of having a explicit academic WoT.
mircea_popescu: dat v-ariety speak.
asciilifeform: ehe, stole fire from ze godz. now go light someone.
asciilifeform: see also:
asciilifeform: !s mumath
assbot: 0 results for 'mumath' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mumath
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel a large part of the problem is that math is very poorly structured.
asciilifeform: !s derive.exe
assbot: 9 results for 'derive.exe' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=derive.exe
mircea_popescu: currently it could be fair to say we have a large lump of peat bog math.
mircea_popescu: it's not even anthracite
mircea_popescu: it needs to be A LOT more crystalline before it does any serious damage to the walls of the world.
mircea_popescu: so, yes, it's math (ie, proven, correct, what have you), in which sense it physically exists, with so and so properties. just like the petrified shit in the peat.
mircea_popescu: it is not terribly useful, in that nobody has a fucking clue how to approach the serious problems.
mircea_popescu: once newton/leibniz fixed notation, for instance, to take a very easy historical example,
asciilifeform: the subset of maths that is actually ~understood~ in the proper sense is equal to the subset that has been mechanized.
mircea_popescu: ALL SORTS of previously inapproachable problems became mechanically solvable.
mircea_popescu: exactly asciilifeform
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: hence derive.
mircea_popescu: the reason "notation is worth 30 iq points" is specifically that good notations = properly crystallized topic.
asciilifeform: even a charlatan like herr wolfram understood this
asciilifeform: and had the business sense / lack of scruples / strategic usg buttbuddies - to turn it into $millions
asciilifeform: (he ran off with 'macsyma' and... well, the rest is well-known)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this incredible drive of the hobo to file off some gold from el dorado and run off with it back into the gutter.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is wrong with moving there!
asciilifeform: they make ya work a full shift in el dorado
asciilifeform: apparently.
mircea_popescu: yaimsurethey do.
mircea_popescu: "make" and "work".
asciilifeform: macsymas happen, yes. but not because brezhnevamaba willed them to exist, no.
asciilifeform: *brezhnevabama
asciilifeform: but they happen. and not in private industry, either, except on embezzled time
asciilifeform: not in places where folks are accountable in the quarterly sense.
mircea_popescu: i'd say the jury's still out on this one.,
mircea_popescu: let's move it to literature.
mircea_popescu: some writers write poorly under stress (orwell) ; somee other writers only wrote because hungry and hounded (balzac)
mircea_popescu: to me this is a good indicator of the subiacent truth : orwell was not really a writer, just masquerading as one.
mircea_popescu: taking advantage of sociocultural shifts that made such masquerade feasible.
asciilifeform: this is an old thing. goal-directed work - e.g., 'make atomic bomb for the motherland' - works with a beria holding broomstick up the collective arses of the institute staff.
asciilifeform: exploratory - does not.
asciilifeform: exploratory research (e.g., unix at bell) is predicated on, fundamentally, the freedom to waste time.
mircea_popescu: exploratory does too. /me has run scouts in the field, knows.
asciilifeform: (because you do not know in advance what is a waste)
mircea_popescu: the freedom to waste time is not equivalent to lack of accountability.
mircea_popescu: also, three ring binder management is not a good representative of management.
asciilifeform: granted, on some planet these are separable.
asciilifeform: i'd like to go there one day.
mircea_popescu: also, drunkenly beating your wife because the food was burned does not represent domestic discipline. scl.
asciilifeform: which is where we get back to 'freedom to waste time.' ~constructively~ wasting time requires discipline. of the internal kind.
mircea_popescu: internal discipline never exists in a void. either you are a discipline factor, in which case you will, willy nilly, attract slaves and construct an ordered space, by the act of mere existence, or you are a discipline beneficiary, in which case you will slowly gravitate, also willy nilly, towards a structured space.
asciilifeform: it is a talent, not really entirely unlike, say, the ability to do maths
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with either, but large groups have come to significant grief trying to deny the wall / piss uphill.
mircea_popescu: it is a curse, not entirely unlike, say, being born intolerant of the smell of farts.
asciilifeform: is everyone 'either a mathematicizer or a beneficiary of mathematics who must gravitate towards the mathy' ?
asciilifeform: in a way - yes!
mircea_popescu: (from the "if money's a curse, may god strike me down with it! and may i never recover!" series)
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure twitter pivoted from the "come advertise us for free, you canthen read yourr stuff" to the v2.0 model of "thanks for all the free advertising, you can't really do anymore so now fuck off".
mircea_popescu: sometime in 2013 maybe.
asciilifeform never grasped the appeal of the thing, has been mostly ignoring it since day 1
gabriel_laddel: what is a stream
gabriel_laddel: ^ web2.0
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you familiar with kink high right ?
asciilifeform: aha, from mircea_popescu's article. in the abstract.
mircea_popescu: same thing. at least in romania, at some point the fuckable herd, 20somethings in pr and design and whatnot, decided this is the cool.
mircea_popescu: wolf has many liberties, but among them is not the liberty to move around ignoring the cattle herd.
asciilifeform: the oak, on the other hand, can sleep right through it.
mircea_popescu: There are only 90 primitive functional, algebraic, polynomial, logarithmic, trigonometric, exponential, and differential transformations. There are only a dozen basic tactics for methods of solution. There are only 33 rudimentary sine and cosine transforms. There are only 29 elementary classes of Fourier transform functions. There are only a few score series expansion modalities.
mircea_popescu: "Hooked on Differential Equations" sets each of these simple concepts to music. Twisted Sister, Metallica, The Dead Kennedys,
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha
asciilifeform: good ol' uncle al
asciilifeform: he eventually answered my mail, did i ever say. promised to dig out pgp key.
asciilifeform: al is almost a tree, operates in nearly geological time.
asciilifeform: perhaps by winter's end i will hear from him again, with a pgp sig
mircea_popescu: The music of John Cage, Charlotte Moorman and Annie Sprinkle will take you by the hand, correlating Gamma zeros with prime numbers! Imagine deriving Euler's constant from Stirlings asymptotic series! Imagine never living in fear or embarrassment again! This life can be your own!
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha o god.
mircea_popescu: oh which reminds me
mircea_popescu: yo Naphex wouldja consider putting "get in the wot" among the tasks for performers that earn them a fee reduction ? i'm willing to support it on the other end with the cents for tits programme.
mircea_popescu: and also get a blog damn.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as you perhaps intuited, mp's private island is really populated by pirates and harlots.
asciilifeform: how else
mircea_popescu: plus some confiscated spanish cannon.
asciilifeform: what's the point of island without these !
mircea_popescu: ask the fucking "start your own country" crowd, not me.
asciilifeform: from my readings, most of them just wanted out.
asciilifeform: like any prisoner
mircea_popescu: yeah. because moo-wants mattter now.
asciilifeform: well sometimes moo gets out. and then ambles about for a while, interrupting traffic, until re-corralled
mircea_popescu: we are all people and we will successfully rebel against the necessary effects of the mistaken belief that we are people through the mechanism that people can do whatever they want and we are people too!
mircea_popescu: such logic.
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293747 << didja pull a "i'm taking it. you two can stay."
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:22:48; trinque: and that wasn't even because of the beautiful women living there
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293767 <<< i always thought trinque is a pretty good male stripper name.
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:28:13; trinque: most of my work involves the device in my lap currently, don't need tons of space
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:28:38; asciilifeform: then anything bigger than a lift cabin is burned $
asciilifeform: can hardly wait, incidentally, for the inevitable winblowzification of the (mandatory, never mentioned publicly in usa) remote control system for passenger liners
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's wrong with opl ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293780 << unless one is actually building a fortress, it is a better plan to keep distriburted, redundant, cheap to set up living and work spaces.
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:33:48; phf: apartment living goes well with other outsourced infrastructure, i.e. ghetto warehouse for your lathe-placement-needs. you can do it on the cheap by pulling resources at a hackerspace
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, better. but outside the budget of a ragged dervish.
mircea_popescu: the happy travelling salesman is the salesman that has a girlfriend in every town on the route and a friendly boss at every competitor.
asciilifeform: that's just another kind of 'rich' - rich in people.
mircea_popescu: the interaction between the fantasyt of the superhero and the constraints of the reality got resolved by the above observation resulting in the field of the "private eye"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i surmise that the oak may sleep to everything, except those times when it's awake ? :D
asciilifeform: gotta wake up for a few min. every day to pump the sap
asciilifeform: at any rate, i actually tried the 'pool resources' thing phf spoke of, with buncha other weirdos. my main problem is that i find interacting with meat people to be a very mentally taxing thing.
asciilifeform: (the other problem is that everybody, self included, was doing it in 'spare cycles, tired from day job' mode and none of the equipment was ever really made to work / nothing ever happened
asciilifeform: travel to and from the rathole was also an exhausting thing
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293808 << you never stood next to tanks moving hqave you.
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:43:46; asciilifeform: i mean, say 241st tank regiment rolls down your street every morning
mircea_popescu: i'd rather be charged by angry goats.
gabriel_laddel: Hrm. In the silly valley the problem with these hackerspaces is typically idiots everywhere.
gabriel_laddel: if they'd just get out of the way, it would be a lot of fun.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my main problem is that i find interacting with meat people to be a very mentally taxing thing. << explain ?
gabriel_laddel: e.g., don't let smelly homeless into the neato hacker fortress in SF
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: the one i went to, actually had a chick! who was fond of meetings, minutes, paperwork, the whole shebang, and would gripe about all of this being unappreciated
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mircea_popescu: she actually does have a point, tho im sure she made a mess of it. or maybe not.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i am very easily distracted by people talking
mircea_popescu: oh the interrupt thing. yeah i can see that.
asciilifeform: and also by not being able to disappear into alone-space by pressing a button.
asciilifeform: (mask interrupts!)
mircea_popescu: anwyay, the ba log is really nothing other than properly kept minutes.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293816 << in which we discover alf does not understand how teh usg works.
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:45:15; asciilifeform: but driving menacingly past your house ?
mircea_popescu: dude, if they had the fucking balls to be effectual they wouldn't be themselves, now would they.
asciilifeform: hey every so often they bust a door and drag some kicking and screaming, no ?
mircea_popescu: really ?
asciilifeform: but wtf is the point of 'rolling by' some schmuck's house ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293820 << interesting theory, sounds fucking insane tome, but then again...
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:45:57; BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> why bother ? << Because they know black people don't live hear, and they want me to call local PD because they anticipate racism.
asciilifeform: i don't give a tinker's damn if obamitler himself drives by my house.
mircea_popescu: anyway, inplainer terms : the point of rolly by some schmuck's house is that you get to be in the car, and the clock is ticking, and you almost certainly won't get shot.
asciilifeform: it's a fuckin city street.
mircea_popescu: this makes it a better thing to do than any alternative, for the guy in question.
asciilifeform: ah, now those we have everywhere.
gabriel_laddel: !up pete_dushenski
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:47:51; BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> wat's a murder-duplex << In 2005 wife doused her husband in kerosene and lit a match. Now walking free because only manslaughter
asciilifeform: but re: phf et al, yes, with 5x the budget i would indeed rent five warehouses while living in a coffin.
mircea_popescu: precious few people living in coffins were "people rich"
asciilifeform: supposing i were not a slave and did not have to live on a plantation
asciilifeform: speaking of which
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293856 << this is a better plan than it sounds lol.
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 04:01:20; phf: you should try buying some weed from him
mircea_popescu: they'll get all the effort underway for a "sting operation", easy 100k worth, then you can just point and laugh at them.
trinque: mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293767 <<< i always thought trinque is a pretty good male stripper name. << bwahahaha, I'd have said web work is a proper whore's job
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:28:13; trinque: most of my work involves the device in my lap currently, don't need tons of space
mircea_popescu: (make sure you're with MANY people. see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#983461 )
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2015 16:19:17; mircea_popescu: Argentine Cabinet Chief Jorge Capitanich had said Nisman's allegations were "crazy, absurd, illogical, irrational, ridiculous, unconstitutional".
mircea_popescu: http://36.media.tumblr.com/0d32607a6ec1a0a782a994dc6acbfd16/tumblr_nkwlcd20hJ1tkz70so2_1280.png << any drunken walk experts in the audience care to explain why the well work walkspot (a fine indicator of the strip club with tradition) is square rather than the round one'd expect ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293871 << twas not top kek, jjust, hard to do well.
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 04:23:01; phf: in su we were taught a different strategy, since "having evidence" is top kek, know who to call if things go bad. if you had no one to call, you were shit out of luck
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293880 << amusingly enough, in romanian the word denotes a bluff.
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 04:35:36; phf: known as блат in russian, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blat_(favors). though that word is more often used in context of getting ahead i think it basically applies to overall structure of society. when shit hits the fan you call a your sister's husband's uncle who's a general, "vasily mikhalich, this is such and such..."
mircea_popescu: !up Londe
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293893 << this is no small matter, incidentally. it'sjust good fortune that human body can actually be imaged without requiring doses of radiation that'd be strong enough to induce cancer locally.
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 04:54:48; punkman: "We try a chest X-ray, turning up the power to the maximum setting. All we see is white: The patient’s body is just too thick to allow standard X-rays to penetrate to the bones; he is a walking lead shield."
mircea_popescu: it's a typical surface-and-radius problem, and we for some reason fell on the lucky side of it.
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assbot: Is the Yeti Real? Researcher Finds Himalayan Yeti “Genetically Identical” to Ancient Polar Bear : Conscious Life News ... ( http://bit.ly/1FTiF8Y )
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punkman: "Just to drive him a little bit crazy, I took to referring to him as a “short-fingered vulgarian” in the pages of Spy magazine. That was more than a quarter of a century ago. To this day, I receive the occasional envelope from Trump."
punkman: "There is always a photo of him—generally a tear sheet from a magazine. On all of them he has circled his hand in gold Sharpie in a valiant effort to highlight the length of his fingers."
punkman: "Like the other packages, this one included a circled hand and the words, also written in gold Sharpie: “See, not so short!” I sent the picture back by return mail with a note attached, saying, “Actually, quite short.” Which I can only assume gave him fits."
mircea_popescu: is stubbly fingers bad in the us ?
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mircea_popescu: stories from the deep, for my good friends in nyc (paging mike_c ) : plumer called yest ; said he's gonna show up today between noon and 3. showed up at 1. fixed thing with his own parts, half hour labour, certified sort of task. the bill ? ~120.
mike_c: hehe, don't lose that guy's number. I bet a good contractor is almost as hard to find down there as it is up here.
mircea_popescu: myeah. very pleasant young guy too.
mircea_popescu: intel delivers!
mircea_popescu recalls many winters ago going through books, discovering $680 express charge. turns out that if you want nyc service "within three days" you gotta pay like a week's wages. otherwise, the waiting list's 5 weeks long.
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mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/22990f91b0798344574e49d508211206/tumblr_noywcdzaoZ1u4e2kko1_1280.jpg << photoproof that being lame and boring is contagious, whereas being nude is not.
mircea_popescu: should explain a lot about the state of the world.
mike_c: I'm looking forward to Eulora land ownership.
mod6: so awesome. every exciting stuff.
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pete_dushenski: "For just $19.99, ShipFoliage.com will send you a few leaves harvested from the colorful forest floors of Vermont and New Hampshire. “Each leaf is carefully picked and color balanced in a bundle of three,” the website reads." << so $6.66 for a generic leaf ?? what was that about money not growing on trees ?
mircea_popescu: beats wood off the authentic cross and holy water from the whatever.
mircea_popescu: or does it.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo's bro does
pete_dushenski: dawgs are too much work for me
pete_dushenski: i mean, if you're going to put that much work into a lump of flesh, from infancy on upwards, why not at least mould it in your own image ?
pete_dushenski: dog sorta plateaus at, what, 6 month-old child's mental capacity ?
pete_dushenski: not that the unconditional love thing probably doesn't hold some appeal
mike_c: you can train a dog to do what you tell it.
pete_dushenski: just not for yours truly so much
pete_dushenski: mike_c: more easily than people, yes. but people too !
mike_c: mhm. let's circle back on that when your newborn gets a personality :)
mike_c: Although there is that weird feeling of frustration and pride when your stubborn two year old will not do what you want, but you realize that's because he is a lot like you.
mike_c: but still, just put your goddamn pants on so we can go to the park.
jurov: pete_dushenski: the $20 foliage reminds me of http://imgur.com/x6qYB3J
assbot: Waste of some geodes seen in a gift shop at Niagara Falls - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1XHWlEJ )
mircea_popescu: don't knock it, smart 6 month old kid >>> dumbass adult.
mircea_popescu: what thefuck is that disgusting goop
mircea_popescu: and THEY KNEW it was fucking stupid, which is why they put that ground copper on it or w/e it is.
jurov: glue pistol
jurov: *thermal
mircea_popescu: "hey, this tastes like shit" "add some ginger to it!"
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski im not so sure of the entire moulding thing. i think i met more competent dogs than competent humans in my life, mostly because the bar so much lower for dog. and it's self-moulding really, just as long as you don't get in th way too much.
mircea_popescu: sorta like health generally.
pete_dushenski: jurov: looks like amethyst. /me recalls traveling across canada in my early youth, stopping at amethyst mines, being fascinated by the colour and size of the formations
pete_dushenski: but the superglue is a bit much ;/
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: sure the bar is lower for dogs, where's the alf dog ? not meeting a stand-out example allows the others to enjoy their mediocre unexceptionalism
pete_dushenski: free of the bright light of contrast
pete_dushenski: actually, 'alf dog' sounds like a great comic strip idea
pete_dushenski: hell, when eulora gets animals, this beast should be there !
pete_dushenski: it'll obviously talk, mostly pessimistic/crank whispering, fomenting rumours from across the land
pete_dushenski: 'alf dog' can truly be man's best friend : always keeping him on his toes, alert, aware of the faintest rustles in the leaves
pete_dushenski: he'll sense things that no person ever could, and have the ability to articulate it !
pete_dushenski doesn't, ftr, think alf is anything like a 'crank' but that he's easily the foremost expert on those who are
assbot: DogStar TailTalk: World’s First Dog Emotion Sensor | Indiegogo ... ( http://bit.ly/1LiuhTe )
jurov: convert your dog to tamagotchi!!11(r)(tm)
pete_dushenski: so... you can spec a 'microshit surface pro 4' with 1tb hd, 16gb ram, intel i7 for... $2`700 !
pete_dushenski: coming to a leasing plan near you (tm)
jurov: is it compatible with zune?
pete_dushenski: jurov: you ever play tamagotchi ? i think i was the only kid in my class who didn't. maybe one other.
jurov: i didn't, but yes, half of class had
pete_dushenski: global phenomenon eh. i don't think they were exactly cheap either. maybe $cad 40 ? in ~1997 money ?
pete_dushenski: those pre-dot-com bucks are nothing to sneeze at.
jurov: yep, many rich kids in our 'hood
pete_dushenski: ah scratch that 40 guesstimate : the 1996 model msrp'd for 2079 yen, $usd 15.99. so probably closer to $cad 20.
punkman: how much was the gameboy around then?
pete_dushenski: ~$100 iirc
pete_dushenski: that's $cad
pete_dushenski: yup, gameboy pocket (1996) msrp was $usd 59.99
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pete_dushenski: $cad 1 = $usd 0.66 at the time, was parity five years ago, now back to 0.75
pete_dushenski: gameboy pocket cartridge capacity : 1mb (!)
pete_dushenski: cpu speed : 4.19 mhz
pete_dushenski: golden days.
pete_dushenski: well, i'm off for a bit !
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assbot: Mongolian Music (Rap Style) Throat Song "Fish Symboled Stamp" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q8iLtq )
jurov: !up ascii_field
jurov: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ty jurov
ascii_field has been trying and failing to get external lcd working on a w540 for >year now
ascii_field at the end of the latest bout of this
jurov: http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/w-series/w540/ lol "power to handle any taxing software" i understood as "taxation software"
assbot: ThinkPad W540 | Mobile Workstation | | Lenovo US ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q8jn2g )
ascii_field: i cannot even begin to describe how much i hate this thing
ascii_field: most of all for there being no (afaik) alternative to it
ascii_field: that is even half worth considering
ascii_field: instead, i look at 2mm tall text.
ascii_field: all day, every day.
punkman: why doesn't the external display work?
ascii_field: because fucktarded 'nvidia optimus'
ascii_field: that can't be turned off
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BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: this is (or was) afaik the most expensive portable sold, and it is ~still~ a turd
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BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20790 @ 0.00049901 = 10.3744 BTC [-]
ascii_field: incidentally, the very existence of 'ubuntu' is a blight.
ascii_field: because it enables a host of sc4mz0rz to peddle 'linux-compatible!!1!!!11' crud that is entirely not
ascii_field: (functions only if you use the ubuntu kernels and never attempt to so much as rebuild)
ascii_field: in turn, no one bothers to develop an actual driver because 'dontcha know, ubuntu is linux and there is a linux driver'
pete_dushenski: "Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on Wednesday banned any further negotiations between Iran and the United States" << because not even iran will negotiate with terrorists.
pete_dushenski: because what's to negotiate with ? usg is a nebulous metastatic blob with no end and no beginning. trying to have a conversation with it is like talking to a tree and expecting the forest to play along.
pete_dushenski: khamenei's approach, despite being at odds with iran's president, is correct, sane, and hygenic.
pete_dushenski: ""Negotiations with the United States open gates to their economic, cultural, political and security influence. Even during the nuclear negotiations they tried to harm our national interests.," Khamenei was quoted as saying on his website.""
pete_dushenski: go figure the one political leader in iran who doesn't have to worry about re-elections has the most considered perspective.
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pete_dushenski: what are the chances that democracy doesn't produce the best results ? but rather the results that favour usg interests ? hm. i wonder.
ascii_field: moocracy
pete_dushenski: oinkokracy, more halal.
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BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/vw-abgasskandal/neuer-volkswagen-chef-vw-will-maengel-an-fahrzeugen-bis-2016-beheben-13842286.html << Software on most VW's come get new catalytic converters and fuel injectors... No piss system it seems...
assbot: Neuer Volkswagen-Chef: VW will Mängel an Fahrzeugen bis 2016 beheben ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rujy97 )
pete_dushenski: piss is too pricey.
pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field
assbot: ISIS driving Toyotas a little too often, US Treasury wonders why — RT USA ... ( http://bit.ly/1RujWEK )
pete_dushenski: u.s. wonders aloud : "why aren't the bad guys driving our shitboxen ?!"
pete_dushenski: um. because they're shitboxen.
pete_dushenski: and toyotas have a hard-earned reputation for lasting longer than regimes.
pete_dushenski: so yea, isis uses toyotas.
pete_dushenski: but asking toyota why they're providing isis with trucks is like asking amd why they're providing tmsr~ with chips and mobos, or asking boeing why they gave the 9/11ers planes.
pete_dushenski: what kind of sense is this ?
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: this kind of thing began in 1960-70s, where 'why did this computer end up in su' became a thing
pete_dushenski: no wonder khamenei won't negotiate with these fucks.
ascii_field: and usg conscripted tech suppliers, not only banks, to serve as de-facto polizei
pete_dushenski: a role they play to this day, much to the detriment of their own long-term survival.
pete_dushenski: but hey, no one ever got fired for complying and taking the path of least resistance.
pete_dushenski: so on it goes.
ascii_field: they survive, and will continue to survive, because there is no alternative
ascii_field: nothing that looks, smells, walks, talks, like the remotest shadow of an alternative.
ascii_field: find me a motherfucking laptop with ips display and room for 24G that doesn't have nvidia piece of shit.
pete_dushenski: well, i won't speak for intel, but toyota can flatly tell usg where to go.
pete_dushenski: ascii_field it seems that computing is unique in this regard.
ascii_field: it is not unique.
ascii_field: you can't buy a truck without plastic in it, and computerized ignition, either.
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> you can't buy a truck without plastic in it, and computerized ignition, either. << Sure you can... Just not new
pete_dushenski: ascii_field because poison pill computing has seeped in the cracks.
trinque muses that the end of the world never approaches; it always already came
BingoBoingo: * trinque muses that the end of the world never approaches; it always already came << It came when Andrew Jackson when on his genocide kick in defiance of the US supreme court. Or when Washington wasn't hung during the WHiskey rebellion.
trinque: riff on the "no one could have forseen" wry comment
trinque: of course people saw the end approaching but was it ever stopped?
BingoBoingo: Nope. Just happened.
ascii_field: the reason why the decay is at its most cartoon-coloured visible in computing, is that it is the most inherently centralized industry in existence
ascii_field: more so even than nuclear
ascii_field: there are literally one hand's fingers' worth of places on the planet where workstation cpu is made
ascii_field: and perhaps 2x that many where mobo is made
ascii_field: and two or three, where modern ram is.
BingoBoingo kinda wants to see ISIL driving some new Ford superduty trucks now that FOrd is going all in on Art Deco and chrome.
pete_dushenski: ascii_field this is perhaps a better restatement of what i was getting at with the uniqueness of computing
pete_dushenski: the degree of centralisation is pretty unparalleled
ascii_field: notice how, e.g., france, made own hydrogen bomb. but it is powerless to make own 'pentium.'
ascii_field: even if wanted.
pete_dushenski: that is actually a fascinating truth. quite revelatory of the complexity involved.
ascii_field: it is not even about complexity.
ascii_field: but economics.
BingoBoingo: Gawker Media now in full actual war propaganda mode, seriously intercepting drones in a manned aircraft takes balls: https://archive.is/d5XEG
assbot: Russia Intercepts U.S. Drones Over Syria, Launches Cruise Missiles From Caspian ... ( http://bit.ly/1VEEn7K )
pete_dushenski: we never had the nuclear-powered cars expected in the 1950s (ford nucleon), but computer powered ? entirely, now.
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: snore. poor things are defenseless
ascii_field: ('predator',
ascii_field: 'reaper', have no cannon)
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Well then can use self as rocket
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: have you ever seen one ?
trinque: I've already heard a derp repeat "they're shooting down our drones!"
BingoBoingo: Not live
ascii_field: there are a few hanging in the national airplane museum
ascii_field: they have small propellers.
ascii_field: thing is just a slow flying platform to drop one or two rocket bombs from
BingoBoingo lives a county away from Airforce Base, see a lot of cargo haulers and the decoy air force one fleet often
pete_dushenski: ascii_field but if french bureaucracy is (and has been for decades if not centuries) the centralised behemoth that i understand it to be, why h-bomb and no 'pentium' ?
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: But flying to intercept means getting close enough for a bored kind at Nellis to put the drone into a hard turn for the lulz
pete_dushenski: what's different about usg/su centralisation ? scale of overall economy from which to draw ?
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ascii_field: pete_dushenski: because, to any 'reasonable' person, making french pentium is entirely indistinguishable from taking the entire gold reserve and shooting it into the sun
ascii_field: su also did not do it, notice !
pete_dushenski: which it would be, except useful.
pete_dushenski: su didn't make chips ?
ascii_field: modern ru was - if we are to believe elbrus co. - just barely able to make a handful of 'pentium 1'-equiv. items.
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: they had trouble keeping up with 1980s usa
pete_dushenski: and who knows if 'elbrus' can be believed.
ascii_field: and, i will note, lifted die contents wholesale
ascii_field: (though not always)
pete_dushenski: ascii_field as 2010s usa has trouble keeping up with chian
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: china does not actually design workstation either !
ascii_field: never has
ascii_field: notice i did not say 'cpu' but specifically workstation cpu
pete_dushenski: hm. in terms of design, you have a point.
ascii_field: if we must have a rigorous definition, say 'cpu which can keep the blockchain'
pete_dushenski: if russia has the economy to make elbrus, which can presumable keep the blockchain, seems odd that china can't
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: i do not know for a fact that elbrus was made.
ascii_field: for all i know, it is a '90s-style chumpatron like the last elbrus !
ascii_field: and the one before that.
pete_dushenski: they could teach ethertards a thing or two if they're ~that~ good.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu actually worked some magic to try scoring a sample board but nothing came of it.
pete_dushenski: back to french 'reasonability' and why they haven't launched gold into sun, since when are the french reasonable ? they're fucking nutbag socialists of the highest order !
ascii_field: at this time, every single copy of every variant of bitcoin in the world runs on a cpu designed - and, in almost all cases, made - by the usg ministry of crudputing !!
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: reasonable enough not to launch a trillion's worth of au into the sun.
ascii_field: not a high bar.
pete_dushenski: though i'm now starting to appreciate alf's earlier point about isis : 'show me single kalash bullet'
pete_dushenski: as to how far and how improbably a culture and economy has to come to develop that which we take for granted.
ascii_field: really the other thing, imho, is more interesting - that modern tech is far more of a centralized thing than anything in old su ever was
pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: su actually had competing suppliers, and sometimes entire supply chains, for things.
ascii_field: whereas your cpu came from one of three buildings on the whole fucking planet.
ascii_field: and your next one - from one of two.
pete_dushenski: because of the costs of 10/14nm chips requiring still more centralisation ? or because 'next one' will necessarily have 'arm', which is only made in 2 places ?
ascii_field: and designed in ONE
ascii_field: (yes, even chinese arm is 'license design')
ascii_field: yes, ALL OF loongson's products.
ascii_field: also licensed.
ascii_field: (the mips series)
ascii_field: NO ONE DESIGNS
pete_dushenski: once a (human) generation, it seems.
ascii_field: nonsense.
ascii_field: this is unique to cpu.
ascii_field: (and, to slightly lesser extent, related peripherals)
pete_dushenski: well, even if new cpu was designed, it'd have to be made at one of a handful of facilities, the odds of which are ~0, yes ?
ascii_field: but it is important to understand the sheer magnitude of the first counterfactual here.
ascii_field: NO ONE has, for a very long time, designed a cpu in the sense of actually laying out the transistors.
ascii_field: instead, it is much like modern high-level programming languages
ascii_field: with elephantine libraries, largely consisting of layer upon layer of kludge
ascii_field: all of it maximally proprietary, without exception - microshit-based, and having 'compile times' measured in weeks or months
pete_dushenski: for a bit of history, when was the last clean sheet design made ? and by whom ? the gods ?
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: no later than late 1980s
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: here is a classic historic example of such a design: http://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/6334
assbot: DSpace@MIT: The SCHEME-79 Chip ... ( http://bit.ly/1GwLVgF )
ascii_field: goes from a program, all the way to a chip die generated by said program, AND able to run it !
ascii_field: in a few 100 lines of 'scheme' (a lisp dialect)
pete_dushenski: i'm probably ill equipped to appreciate 'scheme-79' but i like the hand-drawings !
pete_dushenski: particularly the fact that artist didn't use ruler for all arrows
pete_dushenski: some are noticeably wobbly.
pete_dushenski: ascii_field and where does z80 fit into this picture ?
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: nowhere.
ascii_field: because you cannot blockchain on it.
ascii_field: or develop bitcoin.
pete_dushenski: aha just a curiousity then ?
ascii_field: now you ~can~ do certain things on it.
ascii_field: such as signing transactions.
ascii_field: and i'd say more, but it is a little bit off topic...
pete_dushenski: "Months after winning a national title, Harvard’s debate team has fallen to a group of New York prison inmates."
pete_dushenski: "Inmates can earn various degrees through the initiative, which is taught primarily by Bard faculty. About 15 per cent of the all-male inmates at the Eastern New York Correctional Facility in Napanoch are enrolled. Graduates of the program have continued their studies at Yale and Columbia universities, Kenner said."
pete_dushenski: "While in prison, they learn without the help of the Internet, relying instead on resources provided by the college."
pete_dushenski: but i thought the internet was the classroom of the people of the future of the lala ?
pete_dushenski: guess not eh.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00050365 = 6.4467 BTC [+]
assbot: Only on 10: 800 pound Cranston man needs new home - News, Weather and Classifieds for Southern New England ... ( http://bit.ly/1N0DjDR )
BingoBoingo: "I was supposed to stay there and lose all my weight and get down to 550 to get the gastric bypass," said Assanti. "That was their plan."
pete_dushenski: assbot:pete_dushenski.unrate.menahem:f54a4c063b377b73c4fc8fe436b8c044255bb87005ea81935d4b403cbd0d9220
pete_dushenski: !v assbot:pete_dushenski.unrate.menahem:f54a4c063b377b73c4fc8fe436b8c044255bb87005ea81935d4b403cbd0d9220
assbot: Successfully unrated menahem
BingoBoingo: !rate kyletorpey -10 USG influence agent
assbot: kyletorpey is not registered in WoT.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00050201 = 8.0824 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: who's that?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Some derp bouncing between Qntra competitors as they fail. Fully on whitewashing Obese Blocks as actual bitcoin.
BingoBoingo: He's the one author who sorta escaped CCN with their reputation sorta moo-ocratically intact after the GAW implosion.
asciilifeform: see, i dealt with this using the 'oak tree' algo
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 14:02:17; asciilifeform: the oak, on the other hand, can sleep right through it.
BingoBoingo: Interesting, how does that work?
BingoBoingo: Ah, I see
BingoBoingo: I'd been trying that and upon seeing his latest derp and pete doing rating decided just to see if a rating could stick
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1294261 << it does! this dog that read everything back in kindergarten...
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 17:34:55; pete_dushenski: actually, 'alf dog' sounds like a great comic strip idea
asciilifeform: see, he cost you something.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually my first thought, reading the log, is that it'd be something like a lathe dog.
mircea_popescu: running dog of the ba cultists!
mircea_popescu: thrice cussed.
BingoBoingo: Now that the Gavin-Hearn heresy died, next heresy up is Gavin-Garazalick or however Agent J's name is spelled.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm not convinced there is any limit as to how many insects satan could send your way, to waste time and energy swatting.
BingoBoingo: And the Torpey derp is papering the propaganda path for this outcome well in advance of its public unveiling, hence meriting a neg-rating if he had the balls to exist in the first place.
asciilifeform: none of these folks will ever make an appearance in anything like honest wot, i suspect
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: i'm not convinced there is any limit as to how many insects satan could send your way, to waste time and energy swatting. << I still swat because I never know which mosquito if not swatted would be the one to pass on Falciparum or West Nile Virus
asciilifeform: srsly why would they?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if there exists a systematic model for ratings, the wot has failed. you understand this right ?
mircea_popescu: so let the man do whatever.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> srsly why would they?! << To make Braunschweigher
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't help but spot ddos vector - in this case, for the mind
mircea_popescu: yes but let him do his mind.
mircea_popescu: THIS is a more concerning vector than that.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: i can't help but spot ddos vector - in this case, for the mind << This is why I concern myself with such things while "liver training"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know drinking never got anyone anywhere.
asciilifeform: think of eltsin !
asciilifeform: and senator mccarthy...
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo you know drinking never got anyone anywhere. << But it got people to no where
mircea_popescu: for all alf's hopes that a precise ballmer point of methamphetamine with speedballs might make him visualize valuable novel proofs,
mircea_popescu: the evidence of record is beyond scant.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: consists, afaik, solely of p. erdos
asciilifeform does not think that this is a feat generally duplicable
asciilifeform: correct use of dope is a talent given to few
asciilifeform: like violin
mircea_popescu: erdos also played violin iirc ?
mircea_popescu: or was it harmonica
asciilifeform: lise meitner played.
asciilifeform: the one caveat re: erdos is that he was unusual for being a ~confessed~ dope-maths fella
asciilifeform: most - are closeted.
asciilifeform: for a variety of good reasons.
asciilifeform: what's in a 'speedball' anyway ??
BingoBoingo: Erdos also avoided going full dope until his CV supported it.
mircea_popescu: "NVIDIA® Optimus™ technology intelligently optimizes your notebook PC, providing the outstanding graphics performance you need, when you need it, all the ..."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cocaine/heroin
asciilifeform: wtf's the point of this
mircea_popescu: generally a strong upper strong downer cocktail.
mircea_popescu: what's the point of any of it!
asciilifeform: seems like all you'd get is the respective side effects...
mircea_popescu: (but you will notice my meth+speedballs covers the spectrum, which justifies the stylistical choice.)
BingoBoingo remembers library school professor talking about Erdos as an example of person who was suited to only survive in university environment, got very butthurt when I asked his Erdos number. Had small college undergrad math profs with 2, 3 respectively.
mircea_popescu: hahaha no. the brain is more complex than currently modelled.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: optimus, is a very special turd where 2d vga chip tries to share a DAC with 3d gpu
asciilifeform: generally this results in a box where external display jacks are unusable under linux
asciilifeform: even with closed turd kernel mods
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> seems like all you'd get is the respective side effects... << Completely different chemical systems.
asciilifeform: i've been squinting at <2mm text for ~year now.
mircea_popescu: this is ridiculous.
mircea_popescu: you could just unplug the laptop screen, put an extension in, jack it into external.
mircea_popescu: what, proprietary bs ?
asciilifeform: like all of them - proprietary lvds cable
asciilifeform: every single one ever made.
asciilifeform: and yes, before anyone bothers to ask, the thing ~has~ to be portable, and yes, has to fit in knapsack
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: How does X220 treat you?
mircea_popescu: how about screen -x ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: doesn't work so well with vm and emulators, which stupidly pump video buffer straight from emulated winblowz
mircea_popescu: how do you find these corners.
asciilifeform: i work with malware.
asciilifeform: every day.
asciilifeform: ergo winblowz.
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( error )
mircea_popescu: this problem is beyond my magic.
mircea_popescu: talk ye to the dark wizard that lives atop the tower.
asciilifeform: that'd be me.
asciilifeform: dark wizard will need new eyeglasses soon.
mircea_popescu: glad i could help
mircea_popescu: hey, get heliomatics :D
BingoBoingo wonders where alf will park his tower
asciilifeform: it's more of a dungeon than a tower
asciilifeform: (what's a dungeon if not a tower with flipped sign bit)
BingoBoingo: Dungeon now, tower later?
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 21:22:20; pete_dushenski: khamenei's approach, despite being at odds with iran's president, is correct, sane, and hygenic.
asciilifeform: aha, sorta like president of su
mircea_popescu: tungeon.
asciilifeform: (didja know? they had'em)
mircea_popescu: Lord Ascii Lifeform of the Tungeon Dower.
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 21:27:36; BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/vw-abgasskandal/neuer-volkswagen-chef-vw-will-maengel-an-fahrzeugen-bis-2016-beheben-13842286.html << Software on most VW's come get new catalytic converters and fuel injectors... No piss system it seems...
mircea_popescu: whereby you get an upgrade that fuck up your car by june or some such
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Basically turns 2015 awesome diesels into 1980's diesels
asciilifeform: at the very least it is guaranteed to make the thing worthless
asciilifeform: (it will still turn its wheels, at least for a while...)
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 21:44:44; ascii_field: notice how, e.g., france, made own hydrogen bomb. but it is powerless to make own 'pentium.'
BingoBoingo read a review of the 2015 Chevy Colorado diesel midsized truck. Less horsepower than gasoline powered 1997 S-10 compact truck. WOnder if review version waited for VW and emergency flipped the firmware.
mircea_popescu: "Russia’s shadowing and intercepting of U.S. drones operating over Syria first appeared as a fluke to U.S. officials, but as they continued to happen it became clear that "
mircea_popescu: the only thing that became clear is that "us officials" are totally unrelated to the events.
mircea_popescu: da fuck, "fluke" ?
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 21:49:41; ascii_field: pete_dushenski: because, to any 'reasonable' person, making french pentium is entirely indistinguishable from taking the entire gold reserve and shooting it into the sun
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 243.99, vol: 23804.70159337 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 241.95, vol: 7776.30033 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 244.79, vol: 8742.07213702 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 259.5, vol: 1.5 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 248.47108, vol: 18652.40380000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 243.646, vol: 126.64186203 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 244.49175, vol: 55.86867196 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: man who the fuck was the bright mind that made the camera usb connector not also charge the camera while connected.
asciilifeform: ahahahahahaha
mircea_popescu: srsly, i gotta turn it off, extract its battery and charge it ?
asciilifeform has same camera as mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: and yeah, i have a thing that goes in a mains socket and eats the battery
asciilifeform: (came with a bag of batteries, too)
mircea_popescu: it's just...
mircea_popescu: what school did these people go to.
asciilifeform: and can also ask who came up with the martian connector on that thing
mircea_popescu: some microusb thing
asciilifeform: not on mine
asciilifeform: it's a trapezoidal chimera
BingoBoingo: "Establishment Motors introduces an all-wheel-drive crossover with three rows of seating. It features the exact same drivetrain as the Establishment Motors sedan, a car that has gone nearly unchanged since 2012, along with almost-identical exterior and interior styling. As shown, $143,000." << I called it: http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a26911/the-tesla-model-x-is-iterative-not-revolutionary/
assbot: The Tesla Model X Isn't Revolutionary, It's Iterative ... ( http://bit.ly/1hrAHDk )
mircea_popescu: that's not one of the numerous microsubs ?
asciilifeform: won't find it in any 'chinese bag of all usb heads'
mircea_popescu: i always just assumed...
asciilifeform misplaced the martian cable ages ago, pulls out the flash card to read back, yes
mircea_popescu: i have an embankment of usb sticks with camera cables dangling from them
mircea_popescu: most of which cables from cameras i long got rid of.
mircea_popescu: whenever i get a new one i glue it into the bank
asciilifeform: this works if fortress, yes.
mircea_popescu: nah, the thing itself is small and packs easily
asciilifeform has similar with debug cables for various boardz
asciilifeform: as to 'what school did they go to' - the sony school of apple-before-apple, surely.
asciilifeform: this particular gadget is an astonishing - for that vendor - surrender to the civilized world, in its omission of 'sony memory stick'
asciilifeform: (an ancient and heavily-proprietary turd which sells for 5x/byte vs 'sd')
thestringpuller: so bitvps just imploded
asciilifeform: i picked the thing up because - like a total chump - i saw 'carl zeiss' on the chassis
asciilifeform: (not yet knowing, then, that the real zeiss was carted off to su and never seen again outside of it)
asciilifeform: thestringpuller is posting from a time warp ?
BingoBoingo: again?
assbot: Logged on 29-09-2015 17:48:23; ascii_field: 'the car bomb exploded. the mechanic cursed and pulled on another wire. the car bomb exploded again, with greater violence. windows rattled, dogs barked. 'you definitely have a car bomb, sir, i can tell you that now!' he muttered.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's really not a bad potato, this cam.
asciilifeform: pretty good potato.
asciilifeform: (i still have it)
mircea_popescu: i actually bought it because vorhees' girlfriend (at the time) who iirc was some sort of photosomething or the other picked it out.
mircea_popescu: turned out pretty good.
asciilifeform: i usedto have a real camera, sold years ago.
thestringpuller: doesn't everyone die in the case of a car bomb?
mircea_popescu: meh, i can't be arsed to carry dslrs
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: normally...
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: C41 processing isn't worth it.
thestringpuller: unless you travel with a C41 machine...i wouldn't put that past you tho
mircea_popescu: im not that fanatic
thestringpuller: some are...but my first C-41 batch was my last
thestringpuller: i don't mind B&W processing it's pretty therapeutic.
mircea_popescu: what, diy ? poisonous as all shit
mircea_popescu: afaik it's 100% robotized by now
asciilifeform: b&w you can process while half asleep
thestringpuller: ^^- hence bein therapeutic
asciilifeform: colour is a bitch.
thestringpuller: cept for the brain damage due to chemical inhalation
asciilifeform: as a child i played with father's set of glass filters from his colour photo days in su army
asciilifeform: there was a massive box of'em
asciilifeform: square, about the size of a man's palm
asciilifeform: could stand up in carpet and build a kind of house-of-cards
asciilifeform: with caveat that, if it fell, there would be broken glass
asciilifeform: (somehow this made it more interesting)
thestringpuller: so you made glass filter house of cards as a kid?
assbot: Monsanto posts big quarterly loss, to eliminate 2,600 jobs : Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1hrC4Sy )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27830 @ 0.00050146 = 13.9556 BTC [-]
assbot: Anxiety rises near Bridgeton Landfill as emergency plans disclosed : Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1hrChoW )
BingoBoingo: Ah asciilifeform Obola cares
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2015#1294670 << without having to perform any necromancy or wield crystal ball, i can tell you how it will go - precisely like the pharma pain of 1990s-present, where a corp is bought (present-day monsanto shares nothing at all with the monsanto that sold the first LED) - and 'useless eaters' like r&d folk are sacked to pad shareholder pockets
asciilifeform: the heat from this burning furniture, and pianos, warms a host of lice and mice - patent lawyers, marketronicists, etc
asciilifeform: and their catamites
asciilifeform: in uncle al schwart's immortal words, 'you will hear, from behind a wood panelled set of doors, 'call in the lab nigger'; and start working on your cv'
BingoBoingo: "Some say concern among residents and area officials has heightened since Missouri Attorney General Chris Koster released reports last month that said an underground fire at the landfill was moving toward radioactive waste in the adjacent West Lake Landfill." << Monsanto/Mallinkrodt has impending potential liabilities, potentially unbounded
mircea_popescu: hey, 20bn, whassat.
BingoBoingo: For nao
asciilifeform: 'usg fines itself 20bn zimbabwellars' nyooz at eleven
deedbot-: [Qntra] BitVPS Customers Unable To Access Services - http://qntra.net/2015/10/bitvps-customers-unable-to-access-services/
mircea_popescu: so one thing to like here is the fucking fresia.
mircea_popescu: they sell it by the pound, practically. i bought myself roughly two kgs, maybe 3-400 stalks, for 10 bux.
mircea_popescu loves fresia
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83200 @ 0.00050365 = 41.9037 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: 03:08 @arij hopefully everyone had backups << win
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36020 @ 0.00050146 = 18.0626 BTC [-]
deedbot-: [Trilema] What was the Lomax? Any why was it there? And who could have lifted it to take it somewhere ? - http://trilema.com/2015/what-was-the-lomax-any-why-was-it-there-and-who-could-have-lifted-it-to-take-it-somewhere/
assbot: Underwear thief nabbed after fiery crash at Lemay used car lot, police say : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Zecoeh )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'incienso, ...., sandalo hierbas especificas que dejaran tu hogar libre de malas ondas!!' << mega-win!
asciilifeform: '... incense, will leave your home free of evil waves'
BingoBoingo: "The next time the suspect was spotted was in the 9900 block of South Broadway, when his car flipped and struck several cars on the lot at Quality Car Care. Five of the cars in the used car lot were badly damaged." << Seriously all this to steal a few panties
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49820 @ 0.00050373 = 25.0958 BTC [+] {5}
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell moonpunter so... WTF are your doing?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu re: chukcha: canonical: http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/1700710/post74537442 << scroll to pics
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: 1st - 'sound card'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52514 @ 0.00050146 = 26.3337 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: #2 'macbook air'
asciilifeform: #3 - 'iphon'
asciilifeform: ('айфон')
asciilifeform: #8 - 'open source'
asciilifeform: #12 ' user interface'
asciilifeform: #14 ' worldwide web'
asciilifeform: #22 - 'trojan'
asciilifeform: #24 - 'spam'
asciilifeform: lastly, #30 - linux.
asciilifeform: the rest - exercise for ze reader.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10349 @ 0.00050146 = 5.1896 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28518 @ 0.00050032 = 14.2681 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: statoshi comments on Any recommendations on how to reduce bitcoind memory usage? ... ( http://bit.ly/1RuHDwG )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56700 @ 0.00050378 = 28.5643 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50850 @ 0.00049928 = 25.3884 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: Cubs, Pirates empty benches in Wild Card Game | MLB.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1RuIKfH )
BingoBoingo: !up contrapumpkin
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell fluffypony Do cape Daisies ever stop blooming?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: BitBet - FIFA President Sepp Blatter out of office in 2015 :: 0.36 B (24%) on Yes, 1.12 B (76%) on No | closed 4 months 5 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1jPdBZd )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34917 @ 0.00050382 = 17.5919 BTC [+] {3}
cazalla: nice to sit down with a beer after shelling over 9000 broad beans
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24087 @ 0.00050387 = 12.1367 BTC [+]
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