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trinque: point being *the workers there* cared about the stupid gas station
ascii_field: costs, yes
mircea_popescu: this is what "keep money" is.
ascii_field: usg takes less? then moar for the landlord to harvest
mircea_popescu: alaska is far away and everything has to be shipped at great expense.
trinque: I'm in a $50/day hotel room with king sized bed, indoor pool, it's lovely
ascii_field: trinque: my point was that: tanstaafl (tm) (r)
trinque: who said their was?
trinque: *there
trinque: this state has a gigantic port
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: aha! sorta like buenos aires
trinque: industy throughout, agriculture, so on
punkman: too much industry and you get beijing air
trinque: and I maintain that there's something far better about these people than any other state in the US, such that it stands a hair of a chance to survive it
trinque: if you don't work here you're fucking nobody
BingoBoingo: <trinque> and I maintain that there's something far better about these people than any other state in the US, such that it stands a hair of a chance to survive it << I'm telling you Missouri is even more Texan than Texas
trinque: all it has is a river
trinque: the port matters
trinque: missouri's not nearly as wealthy
mircea_popescu: well you were discussing worth ethics.
assbot: Logged on 05-10-2015 04:03:36; trinque: if you don't work here you're fucking nobody
BingoBoingo: Missouri has two rivers and the Ohio river terminus. Vast amounts of bulk goods constantly moving
trinque: ascii_field: vs portland for on!
trinque: *one
BingoBoingo: But I'm discussing the people. Far more texan than Texans are
trinque: even the software devs sit around laughing about how lazy they are
trinque: and "oh my work is such shit"
trinque: BingoBoingo: that could be
ascii_field: even?!
ben_vulpes: especially.
ascii_field: what animal is lazier than programmer !
trinque: the "my work is such shit" offends me more
trinque: you will find people here that give a shit about their name
trinque: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: why would someone admit to 'my work is shit' ?
punkman: sometimes you know you suck?
punkman: or are getting paid to work on horrible things
trinque: the portland software scene is mostly about stapling open source together
trinque: along with that goes this "LOL everything is shit" attitude
trinque: and the implication that "if this doesn't work it is not my fault"
trinque: I saw a great deal of that
ascii_field: they can always come and fillet panda kittens at the belching workschwitzes here.
assbot: Economy of Texas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0GYym )
trinque: we're not churning out apps and lattes down here
ascii_field: also 'everything is shit' is a sane and correct attitude for anyone involved in kompyooting.
trinque: its still your fault if it doesn't work even if it's made of gum and twigs
ascii_field: in the sense where everyone who touches such a thing shares the sin - yes.
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mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> why would someone admit to 'my work is shit' ? << it's an hipster thing. irony.
ascii_field: i must be thick
mircea_popescu: you just don't fuck enough teens.
ascii_field: my puny brain is powerless against this.
mircea_popescu: has nothing to do with brain power. it's a matter of language. youth culture, it's just its own kind of arbitrary nonsense.
ascii_field does not deal with teenz in any capacity whatsoever. they may as well be penguins or kangaroos.
trinque: "everything is bad, hahaha"
trinque: not anything more to it
mircea_popescu: well then how are you going to overturn the empire or how did that quote go.
ascii_field: if i needed arbitrary and tedious nonsense for anything, i'd visit a church
mircea_popescu: but teens are more fun to fuck.
ascii_field: or reddit
mircea_popescu: there is that. pretty much my objection to reddit is "all the stupid i stomp out on a daily basis minus the toe suckling and etc"
ascii_field: when suckling a toe... is there: milk?
ascii_field: or only if rms's ?!
mircea_popescu: "here's this new gasoline, it has no caloric power" "what does it have then ?" "strong odor, slightly carcinogenic, stains..."
trinque: bleh!
mircea_popescu: lol milk. no there isn't milk. it's a futile act.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: see ilkka kokkarinen's piece re: glass
mircea_popescu: ;;google ilkka kokkarinen's piece re: glass
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mircea_popescu: does anyone seriously propose the "google is useful" myth anymore even ?
ascii_field: (worst possible material! imagine if it were not translucent - who would use it?)
mircea_popescu: i have some obsidian i took out of a guatemalan pavement wiht my own hands.
mircea_popescu: it's pretty cool. not really translucent. a little around the edges.
ascii_field: grep his book (on my www warez dir, in the logz)
ascii_field: aha! i have a piece somewhere
mircea_popescu: which reminds me of the aids joke. dja know the aids joke ?
ascii_field: modern man isn't, afaik, very handy with it
mircea_popescu: romanian peasant asks other romanian peasant : yo, gheo, you got any aids yo ?
mircea_popescu: gheo thinks... if i say no, he's gonna think im poor. if i say yes he's gonna ask for some.
mircea_popescu: "i have a little around the edges"
ascii_field wonders if aids jokes all began life as syphilis joke
mircea_popescu: i would expect so.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/time-to-rehash-that-old-strategic-superiority-discussion/#comment-115521 << i let it through because mildly curious if the shilled "titan miner firmware upgrade" has a rootkit or something in it
assbot: Time to rehash that old strategic superiority discussion. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0IMrh )
mircea_popescu: ascii_field ^
ascii_field: buy with paypal on ebay! l0lz.
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
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assbot: Gamasutra: David Galindo's Blog - How much do indie PC devs make, anyways? (Part V) ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0KMQf )
mircea_popescu: "On October 8th, 2013, just a few days shy of one year since CSD officially launched, the game landed on Steam. And in just one day, I had made nearly $15,000 in gross sales, which was almost as much as I made in the entire last year on PC/Mac/Linux for CSD. In two days, I surpassed it. In one week, I had made over $50,000 in gross revenue… more than I did in the last three years as a game maker and barista. My fami
mircea_popescu: ly couldn’t believe it. I couldn’t believe it. Finally, I felt redeemed. This was a path that was more than a dozen years in the making, but I had finally made it."
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mircea_popescu: ;;halfreward
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Tue Jul 26 03:37:30 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 42 weeks, 0 days, 22 hours, 20 minutes, and 0 seconds.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 6/42/7
gribble: 0.0204081632653
mircea_popescu: 2% sounds just about right huh.
mircea_popescu: nice bet.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, qntra has received similar comments, figured it for spam and binned
mircea_popescu: it's handmade spam, baiscally, yea.
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mircea_popescu: ship beats car.
mircea_popescu: http://yachtclubgames.com/2014/08/sales-one-month/ << here's one kickstarter that apparently made it. took ~300k in free money, made so-so successful game.
assbot: Sales Breakdown: One month later! | Yacht Club Games ... ( http://bit.ly/1OemjeS )
cazalla: submarine beats ship https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkVZ52NCcAE0Kix.jpg:large (try as i might, cannot find any sexy submariner women)
assbot: The Five Rules Of Australia's Most Successful Game Creator | Kotaku Australia ... ( http://bit.ly/1hkzxtr )
pete_dushenski: yes, gizmodo property, should be burned, but from what i know of eulora, it seems to tick the 5 boxes
pete_dushenski: also, just started poking juuso hietalahti. will provide updates.
pete_dushenski: and i've been digging for names or connections on that wem chick but nothing's turned up. though it's entirely possible that she was visiting from out of town. the mall is a tourist trap extraordinaire.
mircea_popescu: from experience, it's cheaper to create this stuff than to catalogue it.
mircea_popescu: " 50 million downloads and $10 million later" << eulora only made ~2k or so yet.
assbot: Logged on 04-10-2015 14:49:43; ascii_field: perhaps it was a case of 'soviet elephants are the biggest elephants'
trinque: got pretty far on the buy/sell board this eve but it'll be a couple more days. colorado's attempt at murder slowed down my travels
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu downloads or dollars ?
pete_dushenski: trinque fight the fog !
trinque: was quite a drive!
trinque: I enjoyed it
mircea_popescu: dollars.
pete_dushenski: trinque it's good practise for parenthood. similar to sleep deprivation.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu how many downloads ?
mircea_popescu: i don't actually keep track.
assbot: Logged on 04-10-2015 17:08:09; mircea_popescu: are we betting wherer agent scully lost her freenode nick pw ?
mircea_popescu: nah, she got in.
pete_dushenski: cool beans
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-10-2015#1291607 << fuck is this prototype game currency ever a ball of yarn. but hey, what else is there ?
assbot: Logged on 04-10-2015 17:49:14; mircea_popescu: check out bizarro tx rewriting. i issued fca843c0b40a1755eee073a719c856baa7fbf5ac28db84804a44a91f52638632 which worked as expected, but apparently there's a 5269a0e862876040db21706a7849ffd1b7d63e72d6dd61b1d2431a51698bb007 restatement of it
mircea_popescu: turns out someone was "stress testing" by echoing malleated txn.
mircea_popescu: it's funny what impotence does to people. they'd like to be part of bitcoin, EXCEPT not on bitcoin terms. they wanna do it on their own terms. originally they hoped that derping on social media might do it,
mircea_popescu: but after the massacre they got for their hopes this year, everything's tumbleweed city. r/bitcoin like r/buttcoin, the ever more numerous forums etc.
mircea_popescu: so now they're "stress testing" aka if you won't care about my screaming im going to wet the bet.
pete_dushenski: "A woman goes to the gynecologist for an exam. She puts her feet into the stirrups and the doctor begins his exam. After a moment, he says, "You have an unusually deep vagina." The woman replies, "You don't have to say it twice." The doctor says, "I didn't."
mircea_popescu: the part where the bed was made to piss you right in the forehead right back hasn't yet sunk in
pete_dushenski: aha. the ol' plastic cover under the sheets trick. (with an electric pump and a hose feeding back overhead)
mircea_popescu: anyway, he's to that day when sec/cftc/etc figure out that if they wanna play, they gotta behere, and play by the rules. and when academitards figure out that if they wanna play, they... gotta be here. and play by the rules. and when random tard etc.
mircea_popescu: might be a while, but hey, until then, more psycho material to examine will be produced.
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pete_dushenski: not like we're that old or have what better to do.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the ever more feverish pitch of desperation is lulzy. "sell bitcoin to me". dude... why the fuck would i be selling anything to you ? fuck you, your approval is not required, your desires don't matter, you're not being persuaded here. you're being raped. nobody gives a shit about your consent, let alone excitement to use bitcoin. you'll use it to survive, and marginally at that.
pete_dushenski: nah, i don't think we're anywhere near the "please oh pretty please sell to me" phase yet. still much closer to "why would i need something other than the dollar?"
pete_dushenski: and this, the fiat millionaires, not thousandaires on reddit
mircea_popescu: dude that kotaku article...
mircea_popescu: "Penny’s hatred of losing is legendary in the Hall household. Every time there was a possibility of her losing a game, she’d close the app and toss the phone away. Every time a game threatened to kill her she would quit. Immediately."
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-10-2015#1291746 << he most certainly exists. i read a few of his books in the last few years. wasn't terribly offended by them either.
assbot: Logged on 04-10-2015 23:02:38; mircea_popescu: omfg seth godin still exists. http://sethgodin.typepad.com/icn.seths.head.png now a visibly old man, trying to stick to the orange background in a green shirt. practically speaking a parody of itself (not that it didn't start off as a parody - but by now it's not even intentional anymore).
mircea_popescu: "This feeds directly into Hall’s development process. Pac-Man 256 – a new version of Pac-Man that, if you’re good enough, literally never ends. Pac-Man as an endless runner. Or Crossy Road, an endless version of Frogger. In both games you are never punished for dying. Often you are rewarded.
mircea_popescu: In fact death isn’t mentioned at all. Neither is failure. Death in the traditional video game sense is absent."
mircea_popescu: fuck this shit omfg.
mircea_popescu: permadeath. not optional. god damned...
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski to me he's seriously another timecube.
mircea_popescu: "his shit makes sense, in its own paradigm" "sure. so does anything. his paradigm is pretty stupid" "can you formally prove this ?" "no. because..."
mircea_popescu: that's the guy's entire shtick. if your paradigm is stupid enough to not allow useful statements to be made, its inconsistency can not be proven. !godel approach to linguistic production.
assbot: Logged on 05-10-2015 00:34:46; gabrielradio: thanks, i'm gonna be lurking in the #b-a irc yeshiva for a while
mircea_popescu: "but it enhanced my creativity" "so get a blowjob, eat a cookie, whatever".
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu godin is more 'inspirer' than practical or pragmatic anything. he's the archetype of the popular 'business' genre
pete_dushenski: oh plently of cookies are eaten. probably not enough blowies and walks though
pete_dushenski: solo walks. sans headphones, sans idiots, sans smartphone.
mircea_popescu: “I used to play a lot of complicated games like Dungeon Keeper " oh come the fuck on. dungeon keeper's main appeal was that is simplicity incarnated.
mircea_popescu: the intellectual decay, over two short generations, is fucking awesome.
pete_dushenski: and as much as anything, derps wanna ~buy~ inspiration. it might as well come in a tin with a pull-off top.
pete_dushenski: and if other derps see you reading the label of your inspiration tin at the cool kids cafe, then maybe they'll instagram you and your business will win all kinds of phree exposure !
mircea_popescu: the mutatis mutandis equivalent of this nonsense has existed for a longtime. doesn't even need that much mutation.
pete_dushenski: https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/albums << and sicne we're up in the air, some space ships for good measure
assbot: Project Apollo Archive’s albums | Flickr - Photo Sharing! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oep6oj )
trinque: going to say the second one needs more butts.
pete_dushenski: https://www.facebook.com/289334207795128/videos/vb.289334207795128/970956059632936/?type=2&theater << "The Su-30 carries the single-barreled Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-30-1 cannon, which fires a 30X165mm cartridge at around 1,500 to 1,800 rounds per minute."
pete_dushenski: ^pointiness makes up for butts
pete_dushenski: *lack of butts
mircea_popescu: hows tx trinque ?
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1291759 << crystal ballin' now ? what is this 'due' business ?
assbot: Logged on 05-10-2015 01:59:29; mats: it was due for a few weeks
trinque: mircea_popescu: feels like home. perhaps someday there'll be a place outside the states I like more, but for now, this'll do
mircea_popescu: good for you.
trinque: I don't think I've yet articulated precisely what it is that I find redeemable here, as there is plenty to criticize.
trinque: it is probably as simple as that it's more common here for people to rank and judge each other
cazalla: trinque, ya lived there before or is this your first day?
trinque: lived here since 11
trinque: age not year
trinque: moved to portland the first time in 08, second time in 2012
trinque: see it's not the rank/judge thing either; everyone that's human does that
trinque: it's the criteria used
trinque: I will think on this further as I settle in
mircea_popescu: moved for babes returned for food moved for babes returned for food ?
trinque: right on the mark.
trinque: and derpy projects like "if we just dumb down a database an idiot will blossom"
trinque: in portland
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mircea_popescu: never move for babes. the whole concept of babedom is they gotta move.
trinque: first time was a journey with a babe, second time I moved one up while working on that db thing
trinque: been shedding the notion that people can be improved without force for a while
trinque checks his tree rings, thinks he's about done
mircea_popescu: "We ended up operating for five months without money or payments to the team here. It was a difficult period, where some of us were awkwardly standing in front of cashiers having our credit cards declined, drawing from any possible savings, and borrowing money from our friends and family. But we made it to the other side!"
mircea_popescu: the 360k kickstarter.
punkman: what is it like a 10-person team for an indie game?
mircea_popescu: 5, they said.
mircea_popescu: i have my doubts indie efforts can manage more than ~4, really, which is essentially a double date
punkman: oh and they can't live on 70k a year?
mircea_popescu: (very often these numbers are fudged, it's not x people, it's two famblies. sort of like swining, except they don;t fuck.)
mircea_popescu: punkman the article is very carefully engineered to bilk, which is why i linked it.
pete_dushenski: cazalla lol
punkman: didn't read yet
mircea_popescu: is that you trolling ?
cazalla: nope, nfi who it is
mircea_popescu: o btw, do you have a reddit acct that's aged enough to make subreddits ?
cazalla: shame you didn't ask last night :\ just deleted one this morning after it was banned from a bunch of subreddits
cazalla: you can't create a subreddit without an aged account?
cazalla: i have another week old one but cannot remember pwd
mircea_popescu: jurov dja happen to have any idea how to package linux code for steam ?
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mircea_popescu: ahh i love oglaf.
trinque: so good
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mircea_popescu: sound principle
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mircea_popescu: didanyone eventually advertise ?
assbot: Logged on 05-10-2015 04:25:32; mircea_popescu: does anyone seriously propose the "google is useful" myth anymore even ?
mircea_popescu: "this pressed shit gun doesn't work" "is there an alternative ?"
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i'm not the sort of hayseed that needs to search the web. but i assume there isn't, because it's a hard problem. there not being, however, does nothing for google, imo.
PeterL: so on the occasion when you do want to search web, what do you use?
mircea_popescu: search like how ?
mircea_popescu: if it's some pop cult reference i either ask someone in the know or else ud/tvtropes. if it's some actual thing i usually know enough to know what to read.
mircea_popescu: but in general, what sort of information do you obtain by putting words in a box ? suppose you search for "chicken broth" and they explain to you it's a heavy fuel oil. do you believe that ?
mircea_popescu: do you now go through life with the notion in your head that chicken broth is a fuel oil ?
mircea_popescu: and if you don't believe it anyway, then why bother with the box ?
mircea_popescu: if i want to find out what X said i don't go to ask google, i go ask x. etc.
PeterL: I find google useful as a starting point for finding things on the web
mircea_popescu: like what ?
PeterL: you don't get information from google, you just use google to get to the places with the info
mircea_popescu: if it's a complex enough graph it really doesn't matter where you start.
mircea_popescu: how do you know the places google takes you to have any info ?
mircea_popescu: (other than the memory hole effect, of course)
PeterL: the places it takes you to are to be evaluated separately from google
PeterL: Usually I find what I search for in the first page of google
mircea_popescu: but like, an example ?
PeterL: okay, today I wanted to refresh my memory on writing a letter of resignation. I type in the box "how to write a letter of resignation", and 3 of the first four links had nice examples
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mircea_popescu: i don't think i've used style templates in the past twenty years. conceivably this may be a difference of style.
mircea_popescu: i simply do not care what those examples may be, i expect to be the example for them.
mircea_popescu: maybe in the end the story reduces to "i'm just uncurious enough"
PeterL: another example, I wanted to try to make homemade bagels, I type in the box "bagel recipe", and it gives me several sites with recipes to try. Clearly, these are not all of the same quality, but I only have to look through a couple to find one wotrh trying
PeterL: think from the other perspective, you say you are the example for things, how do people find your example to copy? Something like google can link them to you
mircea_popescu: but see, the only reason i could conceivably be interested in is because a woman made them and i liked. then i ask her, such as my mom, or the chick in the cofee shop, or whoever. i don't think i ever wanted to make a random item.
mircea_popescu: ah, sure. it can. it can also send them to paycoin, just as well.
PeterL: You ask at a restraunt for a recipe of their dish and they give you something?
mircea_popescu: not useful is like untrustworthy. doesn't mean "absolutely and in all cases zero use". it just means unreliable enough to be 0.
mircea_popescu: this actually happened.
mircea_popescu: (i rarely ask "gimme the recipe", because i'm actually sa pretty good cook. usually i ask "is this white sauce or what did you do ?!"
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between these two classes of questions, you know, like in tech support.
PeterL: another example, I am watching a movie and I want to know who the actor is. I google "cast of movie whatever", most likely it links to IMDB, I could have gone straight to IMBD, but it is easier to just start all searches from one place rather than trying to start at each individual site depending on the search
mircea_popescu: for this i usually go straight to imdb
mircea_popescu: tho i have homebrew talent, you know those people who know ALL THE ACTORS and ALL THE SONGS etc ?
mircea_popescu: anwyay, google as bookmark organizer, which is what you're describing, is about as useful as that goes, sure. could just as well use any other
PeterL: search google, click on what you want is two steps; go to site, search, maybe their search function works the way you expect is at least three steps
mircea_popescu: see the thing that started this discussion. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1291886
assbot: Logged on 05-10-2015 04:25:17; mircea_popescu: ;;google ilkka kokkarinen's piece re: glass
mircea_popescu: (and btw, i found it by typing se in myaddress bar which took me to search.bitcoin-assets.com/ rather than typing anything into google. because THIS always works and is way faster)
mircea_popescu: in short, google may perhaps maintain the illusion of utility for as long as the needs are superficial and stay that way.but if you're mostly looking for specific stuff and tend to go beyond the surface of things, it doesn't actually do anything whatever.
mircea_popescu: and right now, im doing (atypically) a foray into discussions of a topic im not particularly familiar with (indie game devel). i read upwards of fifty pages, i did not use google at any point throughout. because, here's the snatch : you try googling something to get you these results.
assbot: The Big List Of Indie Game Marketing | PixelProspector - the indie goldmine ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeG1I9 )
mircea_popescu: even when i'm playing way out of field, google still fails.
mircea_popescu: and that said, i am probably in the top 1% when it comes to understanding the higher level issues involved, which means i canhammer together a search string like few others. so google would probably be lot more useful to me, were it to be useful at all, than to the general population.
PeterL: but the general population is ignorant and does not care to alleviate their ignorance, so google works for them. If they can't find it on google, it doesn't exist
mircea_popescu: this is all nice and good, but it still does not make it useful.
mircea_popescu: the general population may be happy to pop sugar pills, but that doesn't make them medicine, right ?
diana_coman: <mircea_popescu> these results specifically : http://www.pixelprospector.com/the-big-list-of-indie-game-marketing/ <- it's 2nd result returned for me on search: indie game marketing
assbot: The Big List Of Indie Game Marketing | PixelProspector - the indie goldmine ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeG1I9 )
diana_coman: then again, I am NOT finding google useful to find information in general
mircea_popescu: diana_coman and would you rely on that ?
diana_coman: IF I have no choice but to start that way, I would afterwards check the source basically
mircea_popescu: not like im saying it should be illegal or anything.
mircea_popescu: sugar pills ftw, for all i care.
PeterL: What would a useful search engine entail, or do you see that as even possible?
diana_coman: well, I think it might head that way, in the sense that it happened more than once that I searched for things with precise and specific keywords I knew were in there
diana_coman: and it did not find them
mircea_popescu: the original idea was superb, the pr thing. it's a great way to score a graph.
diana_coman: and when I got there I had been right, the key words were exactly as given etc
mircea_popescu: but then once people are aware of the scoring, you're lost and it's irredemable.
diana_coman: so it's broken for sure
mircea_popescu: i doubt the google problem is in any way different from the colored coins/ripple/ethereum problem, or generally "automated trust" issue.
mircea_popescu: so yes in this sense, google is here to supersede "smart contracts" or vice-versa, whatever. either way really, nonsense's nonsense.
diana_coman: it's still kind of ok for specific stuff, more like bookmarking kind of thing - I know what I'm searching for and roughly where it is, I just need the quick path to it (as in search on dl.acm for articles of X on topic Y or in journal Z)
diana_coman: assuming the guy doesn't have his own page updated for some reason
mircea_popescu: and then five years later you discover it hid for no reason one article out of 6
mircea_popescu: and sadly that article could have saved you a year.
diana_coman: well, if the guy was an idiot and did not update his page, what can one do
diana_coman: the thing is that's usually just the start of something anyway
diana_coman: so it doesn't really matter if it hid 1 of 6 - if it is any good, it will be referenced anyway
diana_coman: so you need just a start on the web
diana_coman: the rest is discovered through connections anyway
diana_coman: whether it's that thread or the other one starts with, doesn't make a huge diff
mircea_popescu: mmmyeah.
mircea_popescu: the point of convenience, of course, and the humane way to do this, is where you know the people who'd have written articles on that topicanyway, so you put some bagels in the oven, ring them up, invite them over, and talk the matter through over wine.
diana_coman: well yes, but uhm, not really sure they'd come all the way from australia, nz and whatever else, every time
mircea_popescu does a dozen or more of these "so let me run this by you" citizen arrests things.
PeterL: mircea_popescu has alot more pull to abscond interesting people than we do
diana_coman: fwiw I saw first-hand the horrible things google/search-reliance can do for lazy people too - there were some very sad (or laughable if so inclined) articles on Bitcoin in ACM magazine
diana_coman: not to mention some "research"
diana_coman: had some fun reading them
diana_coman: basically a uni professor who had no idea of the topic but just heard he had to say something on it
diana_coman: being important and all
PeterL: "I read it on the internet, it must be true!"
diana_coman: so he went and did a search
mircea_popescu: diana_coman that's the other thing. the odds of me giving two pre-compressed, freeze dried rat shits on the "article" of some random derp i dunno... hm.
diana_coman: no, he is a researcher so he knows about sources etc
mircea_popescu: !s because that's how normal debates work
assbot: 2 results for 'because that's how normal debates work' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=because+that%27s+how+normal+debates+work
diana_coman: just that he has the wrong ideas as to what is reliable source for btc
mircea_popescu: so he doesn't know about sources.
diana_coman: it turns out like that, yes, though he'd be surprised to find that out
diana_coman: from his point of view he cited only reputable stuff
mircea_popescu: also known as dunning-kruger syndrome.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the original point ofthings likethe mit ai lab, or the xerox parc, or etc, was that people could grab each other by the tie in the hallway
mircea_popescu: hey, wait just a minute there!
diana_coman: well you can grab people by their irc nick I suppose, not really by the tie at any moment
mircea_popescu: i actually have great hope for the future ofthis system yes.
mircea_popescu: anyway, my takeaway from teh reading is that s.mg should probably at least try and support steam. so if there's someone who actually has experience with this, talk to me.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45800 @ 0.00042047 = 19.2575 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.0004206 = 14.2163 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33000 @ 0.00041544 = 13.7095 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: luckdragon69 comments on Gavin Andresen: Bitcoin Core Won’t Make the Consensus Rules in the Future ... ( http://bit.ly/1JOx417 )
btcdrak: (not the title, but the comment I linked to lol)
mircea_popescu: or for that matter... now. doh.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: hola alfie.
ascii_field: ¿Qué tal?
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292085 << the mega-application for google is 1) error messages 2) lines of published code.
assbot: Logged on 05-10-2015 09:18:42; mircea_popescu: but in general, what sort of information do you obtain by putting words in a box ? suppose you search for "chicken broth" and they explain to you it's a heavy fuel oil. do you believe that ?
ascii_field: more or less 99% of my use, fwiw
mircea_popescu: ah yeah, there is that.
mircea_popescu: works fine for lines of code. i guess if i programmed more.
ascii_field: and don't forget crashes.
mircea_popescu: i live in the dirigible world past the horizon, my shit dun crash.
ascii_field wants to visit this one day
mircea_popescu: (i really use very little software, and most of it either 30 years old or made by people i know)
ascii_field: but unlike mircea_popescu i sometimes have to vivisect it.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292078 << there is, unfortunately, not. yandex is the closest to coming close.
assbot: Logged on 05-10-2015 09:07:08; PeterL: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1291888 << is there a working alternative?
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1291977 << everybody, from king to slave, wants to buy 1) an epsilon below 'market rate' 2) without usg logging
assbot: Logged on 05-10-2015 06:05:19; mircea_popescu: anyway, the ever more feverish pitch of desperation is lulzy. "sell bitcoin to me". dude... why the fuck would i be selling anything to you ? fuck you, your approval is not required, your desires don't matter, you're not being persuaded here. you're being raped. nobody gives a shit about your consent, let alone excitement to use bitcoin. you'll use it to survive, and marginally at that.
ascii_field: whereas the fiat-megamoneybag folks also want 3) without nudging market rate
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00042 = 3.612 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ascii_field no i meant, "sell it" as in, "convince me",.
assbot: Pictorial Essay: 18 Things I Did That My Grand-kids Can’t Do Without Someone Getting Arrested « The Burning Platform ... ( http://bit.ly/1Z3PE0A )
mircea_popescu: "With these ca. 100.000 dls we made a whooping $162 in total. In other words form 100.000 people playing or at least downloading the game 127 in App Purchases were tracked by Apple, which means that 0.13% of our user base as paid something inside the App. Don’t get us wrong: We are thankful for those purchases and we hope that you enjoy our game, but to build a sustainable business this won’t get us very far as an
mircea_popescu: indie studio."
ben_vulpes: !s britney spears
assbot: 26 results for 'britney spears' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=britney+spears
ben_vulpes: !up ascii_field
ben_vulpes: guten tag!
ascii_field: guten tag herr vulpes !
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/vGrEC << maybe you';re just not allowed on heretic sites ascii_field ?
mircea_popescu: "I think it was great to get the game into the hands of a lot of people for free, even if it lost money for the studio.
mircea_popescu: Moving onto your next app, you should have a decent fan base who will be more willing paying up front for your game."
mircea_popescu: dude... fucking totally.
mircea_popescu: who the fuckgives a shit, obscure studio making obscure app on that old tablet thing you meanwhile lost.
ascii_field: 'I can actually remember when Looney Toons was yanked in favor of more PC Barney the dinosaur bullshit. I remember when I got sent home with a note explaining to my parents that my pocket knife no longer acceptable. I remember when I got sent home with a note explaining to my parents that my pocket knife no longer acceptable.'
ascii_field: ^ mega-l0l
mircea_popescu: "It's an interesting piece of info and it resonates a lot with the issues and choices I and to make with my game early this year. I can see how those numbers could be discouraging but I kind of agree with Sven, they are not that bad."
mircea_popescu: ascii_field "i remember when stalin was cool"
ascii_field: stalin has never been cooler than today.
ascii_field: ask any kid in ru
ascii_field: (well perhaps not ~any~ - but certainly it is more of a thing than the 'multi-coloured pill' business in gringolandia)
assbot: The Numbers Post (aka Brutal Honesty) « Streaming Colour Studios ... ( http://bit.ly/1RqXIU8 )
mircea_popescu: 2009, back when apple istore was worth less than a bar.
assbot: Logged on 05-10-2015 06:38:13; mircea_popescu: o btw, do you have a reddit acct that's aged enough to make subreddits ?
mircea_popescu: and strangly there wasn't a reddit icrapple dedicated to mocking the funbux.
ascii_field: it still works.
ben_vulpes: search'll need redoing on top of the wot as well.
assbot: A Useful Prep-Sheet On Syria For Media Propagandists | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1RqZbtB )
mircea_popescu: 1) Keep mentioning the barrel bombs.
mircea_popescu: Do not mention how their use was pioneered by the Israeli Air Force in 1948, and how they were used by the US Air Force in Vietnam in Operation Inferno in 1968. Keep repeating, “barrel bombs, barrel bombs” and stating with a straight face that the Syrian regime is using them “against its own people.” Against its own people. Against its own people. Against its own people.
mircea_popescu: kinda like spam, these people.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00041805 = 6.7724 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37007 @ 0.00041783 = 15.4626 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00041763 = 3.5916 BTC [-]
deedbot-: [Qntra] Vessenes' Foundation Drops Sponsorship of Node Explorer - http://qntra.net/2015/10/vessenes-foundation-drops-sponsorship-of-node-explorer/
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BingoBoingo: !up gabrielradio
assbot: Sources say tension with Dolphins had been mounting for weeks in practice | National Football Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mbsxrn )
assbot: FBI warns Philadelphia universities over 4chan post ... ( http://bit.ly/1MbsBra )
assbot: Is the bookie making a brain dead moron out of you? ... ( http://bit.ly/1MbsCLC )
gabrielradio: "In Betfred’s own words the ACCAttacka has ‘reinvigorated the weekend football acca selection process with style & substance in equal measure.’ [...] ACCAttacka innovation means you can simply log into your Betfred mobile account, select a desired bet stake, outline the amount of money you would like to win and then sit back and let the Betfred software build you a potential winning accumulator"
gabrielradio: bitbet needs to get in on the action
danielpbarron: bitbet is the exact opposite of that model, if I'm reading it correctly
mircea_popescu: 4chan gets troll crown
mircea_popescu: gabrielradio ya think ?
BingoBoingo: !up gabrielradio
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27092 @ 0.00042012 = 11.3819 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: who need .bait when mircea_popescu is around
gabrielradio: mircea_popescu not really. thinking about it, it's kinda the same thing as sdice. choose odds, send btc, roll the dice. only with a much larger -ev
BingoBoingo: The problem when dealing with Brain Dead morons though is it requires an entire infrastructure to minimize the cost of interactions with them
BingoBoingo: !up HostFat
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46750 @ 0.00041706 = 19.4976 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: !up livegnik
assbot: » #PissForEquality: Feminists Fall For 4Chan Troll Campaign by Peeing Themselves Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pfy9WW )
mircea_popescu: almost like 4chan is back or something.
ascii_field: the real question is why it had to be done in the bathroom
ascii_field: (does it matter where?)
ascii_field: and the positions of the stains...
ascii_field: at least one appears to have sat down?
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what goes through these people's heads/
ascii_field: '3rd wave feminism has become synonymous with outlandish preoccupations like manspreading, trigger warnings, safe spaces, slut walks and free bleeding, while genuine threats to women’s rights – particularly in Islamic countries – continue to be ignored.' << ahahahha
ascii_field: free bleeding!
mircea_popescu: what is that ?
ascii_field: described in link
mircea_popescu: apparently i skim too much.
mircea_popescu: tbh slut walks not bad idea. one spot where i and teh derpeminists see eye to eye
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54974 @ 0.00041517 = 22.8236 BTC [-]
assbot: Adult diapers a surprising new trend among Japanese women | Daily Buzz - Yahoo News Canada ... ( http://bit.ly/1PfyI2J )
mircea_popescu: http://joostdevblog.blogspot.co.uk/2011/10/proun-is-big-success-pay-what-you-want.html << vaguely interesting, another piece of the "people should never get any options" puzzle.
assbot: Joost's Dev Blog: Proun sales data revealed: Proun is a big success! Pay What You Want is not! ... ( http://bit.ly/1PfyPve )
mircea_popescu: diapers has been going for 30 years.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: for civilians ?!
mircea_popescu: for late teens/early 20s women that have trouble maturing. match made in heaven with jaded blue collar / low prof late 40s males.
mircea_popescu: they get a daddy-little relationship, she wears diapers, he does handiwork, it's perhaps the most functional couple of the western world.
ascii_field: linked article described the diapers being purely a convenience/laziness thing - e.g., in casino, office workers avoiding toilet break
ascii_field: so it'd be an 'advance'
ascii_field: (fetishist diapers have been around for eons, yes)
mircea_popescu: what people say and what people do is you know.
ascii_field: 'Anderson refused to cooperate with prosecutors unless the CIA was present. Anderson wanted to be released from jail, Rosenblum said in court, and “he would literally lead (Davis) to warship-sized cargo of hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars; he could lead Mr. Davis to connections in the Middle East involving pharaohs and kings.”' << win
mircea_popescu: ironically enough, eulora IS technically "pay what you want".
mircea_popescu: o btw, you sending me stuff ascii_field ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: yes! when i finally get home. a few hours from now.
ascii_field was 'earning sprats'
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
assbot: World Trade Center Photographs 3 October 2001 ... ( http://bit.ly/1PfzP2G )
ascii_field: http://cryptome.org/wtc/wtc052.jpg << what is the purpose of the curtain? (appears in several other shots)
cazalla: reduce dust blowing about?
BingoBoingo: Apparently Linus has not been sufficiently emasculated yet. Rabbel Rouser returns with nuetering shears again https://archive.is/052Xw
assbot: Closing a door | The Geekess ... ( http://bit.ly/1PfAcKC )
ascii_field: ' I did not want to work professionally with people who were allowed to get away with subtle sexist or homophobic jokes. I feel powerless in a community that had a “Code of Conflict” without a specific list of behaviors to avoid and a community with no teeth to enforce it."
ascii_field: mega-l0l
ascii_field: 'I have the right to replace any comment I feel like with “fart fart fart fart”. ' << win
ascii_field: someone should teach this woman about the piss-pants-for-justice campaign.
assbot: Sarah Sharp | LinkedIn ... ( http://bit.ly/1PfAmS8 )
ascii_field: 'Open Source Technology Center, Intel Corporation' << a little like 'adolf eichmann center for judaism'
ben_vulpes: person in question made an appearance at $rokkitclub as well on the same topic.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44358 @ 0.00042089 = 18.6698 BTC [+] {3}
ben_vulpes: $rokkitclub collectively blinked in confusion and carried on with tricks
ben_vulpes: same club is gently discouraged from letting foreign students near the code and plans
ben_vulpes: this leads to a stush that quickly dies down every 3-5 years
pete_dushenski: ascii_field a little like 'adolf eichmann center for judaism' << heh.
pete_dushenski: or the 'king tut's centre for kids who can't read good'
pete_dushenski: "The Fast Lane Car tried to sketch some answers by going to a shop in Denver, Colorado to run a 2011 Jetta TDI with a six-speed DSG transmission on an all-wheel-drive dyno. The thinking was that if you ran all four wheels the car would think it was on the road, whereas if you ran only two the car might think it's being tested. We'll get straight to the numbers: the stock sedan is quoted at 140 horsepower and 236
pete_dushenski: pound-feet of torque. When run with all four wheels turning it produced an uncorrected 114 hp and 214 lb-ft at the wheels. When run with just two wheels in motion the Jetta got 113 hp and 188 lb-ft at the wheels. Reading the graph, we're told that power differences between the two runs were as much as 15 hp and 32 lb-ft."
pete_dushenski: inb4 no one "fixes" their vw diesels
pete_dushenski: it's like a recall on male foreskin
BingoBoingo: "Rascal Scooter Center for Nutrition Studies"
pete_dushenski: 'oh, we told the regulators that you were circumcized and they found out that you actually weren't. please visit your nearest stealership so we can right this terrible wrong.'
ascii_field: at this point even microshit's open sourceism record beats intel's.
ascii_field: (yes! laugh if you will, but 'visual studio' for linux! and c# !)
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292160 << hot damn i have to start doing this. inquiring minds would love a list of List of People Kidnapped By MP This Week And What They Taught Him. also, does argentina actually have a dozen ppl worth mircea_popescu's time ~every~ week ?
assbot: Logged on 05-10-2015 09:56:10; *: mircea_popescu does a dozen or more of these "so let me run this by you" citizen arrests things.
kakobrekla: great use of parking space
pete_dushenski: also great for smog reduction
kakobrekla: by making the drivers search for parking longer?
pete_dushenski: by selling fashionistas cars that don't even run :)
pete_dushenski just unwrapped, fresh off the boat from new delhi, his copy of 'the art of not being governed'
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/O9vqB#selection-2617.0-2621.186 << Fuck, now hams are copying the 4chaners
assbot: overview for thefuckedupking ... ( http://bit.ly/1PfBHIH )
cazalla: BingoBoingo, the funny thing about infowars publishing 4chan trolls is that infowars published 4chan trolls it thought to be real (katrina loot crew)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4928 @ 0.00041515 = 2.0459 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112516 @ 0.00041203 = 46.36 BTC [-] {4}
pete_dushenski: "American Apparel Inc, known as much for its sexually charged advertising and controversial founder as for its fashion offerings, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection Monday" << this is what 'made in american sweatshops' buys you. $20.5 mn of 'value' and $300 mn in debt.
pete_dushenski: so much for american industry competing with asian industry.
ben_vulpes: wahahahahaha
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I though the loot crew actually happened, even though the hashtag was a troll
pete_dushenski: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 241.61, Best ask: 241.88, Bid-ask spread: 0.27000, Last trade: 241.6, 24 hour volume: 11217.83812713, 24 hour low: 236.24, 24 hour high: 241.99, 24 hour vwap: None
pete_dushenski: o hey back in the '40s. just like mpoe...
pete_dushenski: 'list of List of' << hah. oops.
assbot: Logged on 05-10-2015 06:21:55; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1291759 << crystal ballin' now ? what is this 'due' business ?
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 15:38:06; mircea_popescu: dividing the mkt cap by the mkt volume roughly yields the "empty hopes" factor.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, i think it did, but the pictures were reused for a fake loot crew during some other event to troll alex jones into reporting it as fact
pete_dushenski: adlai mpex is empty hopes ?
adlai notes that since volume's dimension is assets/time, "hope" is measured in... time
adlai: pete_dushenski: no, but some asset holders might've had hopes which were unrealizable over the required timeframe
cazalla: BingoBoingo, https://encyclopediadramatica.se/SANDYLOOTCREW there we go, had my 4chans and gnaa's mixed up
assbot: #SANDYLOOTCREW - Encyclopedia Dramatica ... ( http://bit.ly/1FQpXuh )
pete_dushenski: adlai guess so eh
adlai: imagine if Mr 80ksat had been able to spread out his hope of mpoenership over a couple months longer. market would look totally different today.
pete_dushenski: !s from:adlai !rate
assbot: 9 results for 'from:adlai !rate' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aadlai+%21rate
ben_vulpes: ooh i love this thread
pete_dushenski: "-1pete_dushenski1.022362 Sep 19, 2015 drama queen http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=drama+queen" << only on btcalpha then, eh adlai
assbot: 7 results for 'drama queen"' - #bitcoin-assets search
adlai: !rated pete_dushenski
assbot: You rated user pete_dushenski on 19-Sep-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: drama queen http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=drama+queen.
pete_dushenski: lol +1 ?? then why am i seeing -1 ?
adlai: hard problem #2
pete_dushenski: adlai so it was supposed to be +1 ?
ben_vulpes: !gettrust adlai pete_dushenski
assbot: Trust relationship from user adlai to user pete_dushenski: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=adlai&to=pete_dushenski | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/pete_dushenski/
pete_dushenski: if so, there go all my crank theories, right out the window !
assbot: TwoHardThings ... ( http://bit.ly/1FQqwUR )
pete_dushenski: "There are only two hard problems in distributed systems: 2. Exactly-once delivery 1. Guaranteed order of messages 2. Exactly-once delivery -- Mathias Verraes"
pete_dushenski: i lolled
adlai: somebody get mathias a pogo
assbot: WoT Trust - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1KWXgdQ )
assbot: Logged on 05-10-2015 23:16:51; assbot: You rated user pete_dushenski on 19-Sep-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: drama queen http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=drama+queen.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
adlai: such drama
pete_dushenski: so much for my fun ;/
adlai: much fun
pete_dushenski: https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/Bitcoin%20XT:0.11.0/ << '279' xt nodez. how many 'half-dollar aws instances' is left as an exercise to the reader.
assbot: Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1KWXsKc )
pete_dushenski: and speaking of wowz and suches and muches and scamcoins, i just checked the chart for dogecoin and it's really surprisingly stable. also noted that $50-100k of the crap trades hands on a daily basis. then again, could be some dogederps trading with himself all day.
adlai: which exchange?
pete_dushenski: data was from coinmarketcap
pete_dushenski: seems to aggregate several exchanges.
pete_dushenski: o hey eth -7% today.
adlai: yes, i'm not trusting that ~23% from cryptsy, it's essentially holding funds hostage by blowing up the transfer fees
adlai: nfc about this 'btc38'
pete_dushenski: can't say i've heard of 'btc38' before either
pete_dushenski: well, we have some folks dropping by shortly so ima make some waves !
BingoBoingo: Oh ivermectin and artemisinin won the nobel prize for medicine this year
ben_vulpes: my money's on btcalpha sucking in ratings from #b-a feed
ben_vulpes: which raises a problem i spotted a while back and didn't raise, which is that ratings are not independently verifiable.
ben_vulpes: worst case scenario, unless the standard is verifiability, #bitcoin-jesters could cause all sortsa problems trying to federate their wot into this one.
ben_vulpes: imho (and i'm always wrong, it's cool bru) it should be possible to reconstruct the current state of the wot from a log of !rate's and !v's
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46000 @ 0.00041071 = 18.8927 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47630 @ 0.00041071 = 19.5621 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: shesek: your ip is leaking
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/052Xw <<< o hey, sharp finally found her way out ? this is good for linux.
assbot: Closing a door | The Geekess ... ( http://bit.ly/1PfAcKC )
mircea_popescu: "Mircea Popescu on October 5, 2015 at 5:17 pm said:
mircea_popescu: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
mircea_popescu: Good riddance.
mircea_popescu: You were the only toxic thing in that entire story. Hopefully your failure informs other women, at a young age when they confront the choice of whether to be sarah-sharp-toxic or productive members of society, and they choose to not be sarah-sharp-toxic.
mircea_popescu: Meanwhile, the only thing you will be remembered for is your noxious quality."
mircea_popescu: somehow i suspek it ain't getting published, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292365 << lol. i have yet to meet an argentinian that would be qualified to finish highschool. fortunately, online's a thing.
assbot: Logged on 05-10-2015 22:19:23; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292160 << hot damn i have to start doing this. inquiring minds would love a list of List of People Kidnapped By MP This Week And What They Taught Him. also, does argentina actually have a dozen ppl worth mircea_popescu's time ~every~ week ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292364 << of course it was fucking planned. the cockroaches don't do anything without a lot of sitting around and chanting alinsky at each other
mircea_popescu: for a few days at least.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34454 @ 0.00041 = 14.1261 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 05-10-2015 23:20:01; pete_dushenski: "There are only two hard problems in distributed systems: 2. Exactly-once delivery 1. Guaranteed order of messages 2. Exactly-once delivery -- Mathias Verraes"
deedbot-: [Qntra] Bharara Snubbed By Supreme Court - http://qntra.net/2015/10/bharara-snubbed-by-supreme-court/
BingoBoingo: ^ Preet continues being ejected by the system which grew him
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292441 << this is a complex problem. it's unclear why third party should even be able to verify ratings.
assbot: Logged on 05-10-2015 23:46:29; ben_vulpes: imho (and i'm always wrong, it's cool bru) it should be possible to reconstruct the current state of the wot from a log of !rate's and !v's
mircea_popescu: if you don't know me, i don't see why you have any right or any permission to use my ratings of someone else.
mircea_popescu: if you do know me, you can verify them.
BingoBoingo: From the "I'm not sure if the fundamently misunderstanding is even being misunderstood" department http://qntra.net/2015/10/vessenes-foundation-drops-sponsorship-of-node-explorer/#comment-63937
assbot: Vessenes' Foundation Drops Sponsorship of Node Explorer | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1KX2xSS )
mircea_popescu: from the "we are young, we're free, why don't you sleep with me" department, http://41.media.tumblr.com/1b28ccdf0aeb0e6a237b388aa7aeafa9/tumblr_njnlik7Eb21qmb3uno1_1280.jpg
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2015 00:31:17; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292441 << this is a complex problem. it's unclear why third party should even be able to verify ratings.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2015#1292462 << all i see here is 'don't meddle in the affairs of lizards'
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2015 00:30:29; BingoBoingo: ^ Preet continues being ejected by the system which grew him
asciilifeform: wake me up when they let a preeted plebe go.
asciilifeform: e.g. ulbricht
BingoBoingo watching for that
asciilifeform: will be waitin' long time.
BingoBoingo: These people weren't exactly of the "scaled" class
asciilifeform: i've yet to see a fella who works for a living accused of 'insider trade'.
mircea_popescu: mostly because you work in sweatshop C rather than sweatshop A.
asciilifeform: zoolag F actually
asciilifeform: right next door to E.
BingoBoingo: These were more aspiring lizards.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292426 << iirc hearn ordered that his nodez lie about version
assbot: Logged on 05-10-2015 23:24:43; pete_dushenski: https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/Bitcoin%20XT:0.11.0/ << '279' xt nodez. how many 'half-dollar aws instances' is left as an exercise to the reader.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292416 << >> 'there are two hard things: titanic nonproblem A and astonishing irrelevancy B !'
assbot: Logged on 05-10-2015 23:20:01; pete_dushenski: "There are only two hard problems in distributed systems: 2. Exactly-once delivery 1. Guaranteed order of messages 2. Exactly-once delivery -- Mathias Verraes"
asciilifeform: how i loathe these 'deep thought' wankatronicists.
mircea_popescu: he wants to do p2p rpc
asciilifeform: straight to urbit.
asciilifeform: but srsly, who the everliving fuck cares how many times a message is delivered !
mircea_popescu: no, this one's with aeroplanes.
asciilifeform: or in what order
asciilifeform: (if you insist on enforcing order, do it cryptographically)
asciilifeform: how is this a problem of any kind.
mircea_popescu sets alf up for 1trn deliveries of the exact time
asciilifeform implodes into a cosmic singularity
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292428 << 'that is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange eons' even scamz may die
assbot: Logged on 05-10-2015 23:27:06; pete_dushenski: and speaking of wowz and suches and muches and scamcoins, i just checked the chart for dogecoin and it's really surprisingly stable. also noted that $50-100k of the crap trades hands on a daily basis. then again, could be some dogederps trading with himself all day.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292441 << afaik there is no hard-crypto record of the logz (beyond snippets some of us may be willing to sign)
assbot: Logged on 05-10-2015 23:46:29; ben_vulpes: imho (and i'm always wrong, it's cool bru) it should be possible to reconstruct the current state of the wot from a log of !rate's and !v's
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu wrote something re: how he wants wot as a very fluid and informal animal that can't be 'optimized against'
asciilifeform: ergo no verify unless you're phriendz with the rater
assbot: Logged on 05-10-2015 23:22:35; pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mike_c some discrepancy here: http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=adlai&to=pete_dushenski and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292407
assbot: RT Is a Mock-Up of the Real Thing | Opinion | The Moscow Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmPEqg )
asciilifeform: (yes it was translated ~back~ to engl. just for extra l0l tonnage)
assbot: NATO Denounces 'Unacceptable' Russian Incursion Into Turkey | News | The Moscow Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmPP54 )
asciilifeform: 'Konstantin Sonin, a columnist for Vedomosti, is a professor at the University of Chicago Harris School of Public Policy Studies and the Higher School of Economics in Moscow.' << so apparently they haven't purged ~all~ the vermin quite yet.
asciilifeform: will there be an insider-threat-division in the insider-threat-division ?!
asciilifeform: how many levels of stack has the u.s. navy ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52292 @ 0.00041083 = 21.4831 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Probably Joe levels of Stack
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.00041083 = 14.9542 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00041095 = 14.1778 BTC [+] {3}
hanbot: !b 3
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0HA1FN3.txt )
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29686 @ 0.00041523 = 12.3265 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu you've got mailz!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2015#1292450 << somehow i can't help but picture maggots, having devoured a quantity of gangrenous tissue, proceeding to living flesh - i.e. 'gnome' and 'kde' have been poetteringed into putrescent soup, and now it is time for the kernel...
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2015 00:17:23; mircea_popescu: You were the only toxic thing in that entire story. Hopefully your failure informs other women, at a young age when they confront the choice of whether to be sarah-sharp-toxic or productive members of society, and they choose to not be sarah-sharp-toxic.
asciilifeform: aaaaaand it all goes back to hardware.
asciilifeform: it being the ONLY reason one cannot permanently nail down a kernel and pour cement over it.
asciilifeform: this ~will~ have to be addressed, or kittenz and rainbowz will come to grief.
asciilifeform: amd co., the old gentle giant, is not long for this world. which leaves intel, which is a malignancy.
asciilifeform: ten thousand kinds of vermin are quietly (and not so quietly) waiting for this day.
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu's sometimes-powerful medicine of putting on a blindfold and pretending that nothing happens outside of his wot - will not work here.
asciilifeform: my own favourite pill, of stockpiling hardware, is also no kind of solution to anything.
asciilifeform: (anything outside of my humble zimbabwe hut, that is)
asciilifeform: new iron will have to be baked.
asciilifeform: (by whom...?)
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36100 @ 0.0004171 = 15.0573 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00040977 = 4.4665 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65000 @ 0.00041799 = 27.1694 BTC [+] {4}
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