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ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254018 << the whole thing's a small nudge or ten away from people with guns realizing that cops hate getting shot at, the state hates cops getting shot at, and generally anyone with the stones to make an effort to rack up up a body count on their way out stands an even chance of not even having to go out
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 02:14:58; moonpunter: well this thing that just happened in ferguson, where the cops showed up with overwhelming force and the kid decided to shoot at them before he died. it's like at what point are you allowed to defend yourself if you are reasonably certain you're going to die.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00070853 = 4.8534 BTC [-] {3}
punkman: needs moar javascript
phf: "As your leader, I encourage you from time to time, and always in a respectful manner, to question my logic."
thestringpuller: phf: does she really say that in the video?
thestringpuller: who rips off kill bill these days...
phf: no, but would be appropriate given the prose style
thestringpuller: qntra will stomp CoinTelgraph and CoinDesk in the nuts when the time comes
phf: qntra should hire a buxom lady with an ill fitting shawl for cto then
trinque: this "zapchain" is another idiotic user-generated content site, looks like
punkman: "College campuses on gun lockdowns today: Mississippi State, Texas Southern, Savannah State."
trinque: somebody have a manifesto to promote?
thestringpuller: phf: hanbot already writes for qntra
assbot: When Prisons Need to Be More Like Nursing Homes | The Marshall Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jnee2b )
ben_vulpes muses on the notion of hanbot wearing something ill-fitting
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254179 << asciilifeform, breaking the tradition of bitcoin crapware and now the b-a 'test in production only' deployment philosophy!
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 03:07:13; asciilifeform: gotta make damn sure that it behaves.
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: funny story you may enjoy.
thestringpuller: So at work I'm migrating a web property from an agency to my company's control. So I have 3 environments: dev, staging, production.
ben_vulpes: what's dev other than your laptop?
ben_vulpes: nm carry on
thestringpuller: The code is so poor it works differently on all three environments, so the only way to truly know if it works is to test on production.
thestringpuller: how you write code this poorly configured, I do not know.
ben_vulpes: "suit up kid. we're putting your laptop into production."
thestringpuller: p. much.
thestringpuller: it's like some college dropout went through github and chose every web technology that seemed "fun" at the time regarding php.
ben_vulpes can't imagine 'phun php'
ben_vulpes recently broke control blocks a in php
ben_vulpes: across html tags*
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 03:14:58; asciilifeform: a 'release' is merely a particular kind of vpatch which deliberately touches a desired set of leaves, and turns into a leaf set which, when selected, produces the sought after tree.
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller i'm bidding on a coffee script + mongodb + mongoose + nodejs + angular rescue project
ben_vulpes: weep for me
BingoBoingo: Who would have though, building trees leaf first
phf: we had this girl in the country house area, who every summer would be into the most pop thing of the time. we'd play a game, end of may when you get there, ask her if she's into whatever trashy thing at the time, "oooh, i love it how did you know". can do same with full stack developers by scanning hackernews frontpage
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: when you say rescue project...you mean rescue them from those technologies right?
ben_vulpes: bulk of the project is a mongo -> postgresql conversion
ben_vulpes: trinque: knows a thing or two about pulling that hat trick off
thestringpuller: i miss using postgresql. but it's overkill for wordpress.
assbot: 'Nazi gold train': Poland asks treasure hunters to stop search | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1JnftOP )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2394 @ 0.00071559 = 1.7131 BTC [+]
assbot: Briton Scott Stammers pleads guilty to North Korean drug smuggling plot | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jng9Un )
punkman: "Preet Bharara thanked authorities in Liberia, Romania and Thailand for assisting with the US investigation."
punkman: "dangerously pure North Korean methamphetamines" << such advertising
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2W87DJA.txt )
punkman: are the rednecks painting their meth blue yet?
assbot: Cops bust dealers with 40lbs of BLUE meth - just like Walter White's famous formula on Breaking Bad | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jngjeq )
punkman: "Top Judge Becomes Greece's First Female Prime Minister" << progress!
punkman: “We know his goal is to make America great again,” a woman said. “It’s on his hat. And we see it every time it’s on TV. Everything that he’s doing, there’s no doubt why he’s doing it: it’s to make America great again.”
punkman: hope Gavin doesn't read this and buys a hat
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00071463 = 9.0401 BTC [+] {4}
trinque: ben_vulpes | trinque: knows a thing or two about pulling that hat trick off << heh, perhaps next it becomes "how do I derive a bunch of CLOS classes and instances from all this relational data?"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2547 @ 0.0007183 = 1.8295 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> [...] << the whole thing's a small nudge << http://trilema.com/2015/strategy-for-the-antisocial-struggle/
assbot: Strategy for the antisocial struggle. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JAwmEP )
mircea_popescu: dude srsly ? "Toni Lane Casserly, LLC" ?
mircea_popescu: stupid bitch's not even got the basics of 4chan down, what " Thought Leader & Advisor: Bitcoin and Block chain Technolgies"
davout: BingoBoingo: s/timely confirmations is a simple as/timely confirmations is as simple as/
mircea_popescu: "Finding new ways to treat the growing pool of older, ailing inmates." heh.
mircea_popescu: "oh life in prison is such a win for the government!" "reheheheally ? eeenjoy."
mircea_popescu: " It's part of the audit process, it's part of the intelligence phase that is part of being part of a national organization."
mircea_popescu: partly apart!
mircea_popescu: “Being able to hear an alarm, being able to drop to the ground if you’re ordered to do so, those are prison activities of daily living that if you can’t do, you can get in a lot of trouble,”
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha. in what lalaland is this going on. fuck you, you want it done, do it yourself. you're here to work for me, that's why you get paid. i don't get paid to be here. logic 101.
mircea_popescu: i guess us research facilities don't hold the actual scientists, us civil service doesn't hold the actual politicians and us prisons don't hold the actual prisoners. they're all in meta-usa, the meta-nsa, meta-criminals and generally an entire country-equivalent of actually competewnt dopplegangers.
mircea_popescu: dude who the fuck exports meth. what retardation is this.
mircea_popescu: meth is locally manufactured like central heating is locally manufactured.
mircea_popescu: <punkman> “We know his goal is to make America great again,” a woman said <<< a woman admits america now sucks ? such.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2511 @ 0.00071921 = 1.8059 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: “Stammers’ scheme ended not with the North Korean methamphetamine flooding American streets as he had intended, but rather with a guilty plea in a Manhattan federal court,” Bharara said in a statement. << "we got another five retards to confess to imaginary crimes we dreamed up ; they will cost the state 100k a year for the next 10 years up to as long as they live. and i expect to get a bonus", some dumbass india
mircea_popescu: n that's there to leech the system for all it's got said in a statement.
mircea_popescu: how exactly is this derp different from asciilifeform's dr x ?
mircea_popescu: same fucking thing, to the dot.
mircea_popescu: (and yes, everyone who ever thought about it stockpiles drugs in the phillipines, because hey, support infrastructure is cvasi-absent owing to the lazy ineptitude of the locals, and they got capital punishment for it too. not like you could fucking make it in mexico and ship it across the border, owing to the fact that
mircea_popescu: eh why do i even bother
mircea_popescu: the difference between the usg and reddit is vanishingly slim
mircea_popescu: not like if they absolutely had to move korean meth for some fucking reason they'd move it into russian siberia like sane fucking people.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.0007197 = 14.322 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00071979 = 2.4473 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00071979 = 2.3393 BTC [+]
cazalla: ;later tell moonpunter ya never did answer my question asking if you are the same madore from cryptocoinsnews
cazalla: ;;later tell moonpunter ya never did answer my question asking if you are the same madore from cryptocoinsnews
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00071634 = 2.1132 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00071979 = 2.2313 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 02:30:20; mircea_popescu: trinque i dun think i'd shoot random derp walking in.
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 02:38:08; trinque: got a bike stolen a while back
assbot: Nigga stole my bike - Best Collection - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LFF1g2 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00071283 = 2.5662 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.0007116 = 3.0243 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254251 <<< it is funded by boost VC, that start up school where kid draper pisses away daddy draper's money on shit on awful ideas like zapchain itself and follow the coin.. boost VC pivoted to cover VR tech so zapchain is also covering VR these days as well!
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 04:59:12; trinque: this "zapchain" is another idiotic user-generated content site, looks like
assbot: Who Hacked Ashley Madison? — Krebs on Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBtM5Y )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6604 @ 0.00071979 = 4.7535 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5381 @ 0.00072076 = 3.8784 BTC [+] {3}
cazalla: welcome to melbourne, australia - http://i.imgur.com/2AEytMF.jpg
fluffypony: cazalla: what's a "borer force", someone who likes drilling holes?
cazalla: fluffypony, the coppers were planning to go around asking people "papers, please" and this lot of degens put a stop to it lol
fluffypony: cazalla: check the placard on the right of the picture, protesters can't spell :)
cazalla: so border force as in protect the borders, can only come in if buying vastly inflated real estate okay?
cazalla: and police can't police
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10989 @ 0.00070827 = 7.7832 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6301 @ 0.00070959 = 4.4711 BTC [+] {2}
deedbot-: accepted: 1
deedbot-: accepted: 1
Adlai: !down Adlai
asciilifeform takes off hat.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00071748 = 2.7982 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ... the whole thing's a small nudge or ten away from people with guns realizing that cops hate getting shot at ... << important to distinguish city police (the folks presently getting shot at) from fed gendarmerie (alphabet soup) - the latter just ~love~ it, on account of it giving them an excuse to waco. all that armour, heavy weaponry, poison gas, flying machines that they've stockpiled, they'd love to use.
asciilifeform: the orcs who shoot at local cops are - all but formally - salaried employees of usg. doing what they were paid for.
asciilifeform: (maintain terror among the white tax base)
asciilifeform: and must remember that orcs (the more unhinged, for this purpose, the better) keep up real estate bubble by fact of their mere existence.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254314 << laugh, but all of this has to be in some sense true, or the place would be indistinguishable from zimbabwe. i just looked out my window. i do not - yet - see zimbabwe. ergo some 'meta-' is in the mix.
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 07:03:34; mircea_popescu: i guess us research facilities don't hold the actual scientists, us civil service doesn't hold the actual politicians and us prisons don't hold the actual prisoners. they're all in meta-usa, the meta-nsa, meta-criminals and generally an entire country-equivalent of actually competewnt dopplegangers.
cazalla: asciilifeform, fwiw, it is the gnomes that use flying machines, not so much orcs.. "i've got a flying machine!"
asciilifeform: and yes, applies in this case.
asciilifeform flashbacks to wc2
cazalla: anyway first decimation, now adlai, but how does a neg from mp preclude anyone from remaining in the channel?
asciilifeform: adlai wasn't even -1'd
asciilifeform: just lost his mp-rating
asciilifeform: but he gave the impression of being somewhat pankkaked even earlier.
assbot: Logged on 27-08-2015 22:39:17; ag3nt_zer0: the kid says, age 6, "you are insulting me"
cazalla: benefit of being half orc half human.. cannot get into disagreement over puters
cazalla: seeing Adlai is poetic in his departing, i'll share one for him - http://dpaste.com/1ZYW3F9.txt no sig on account am boozing and losing
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 18:35:25; asciilifeform: i can't claim to have a handle on what ails pankkake et. al.
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 18:36:39; asciilifeform: i, for instance, expect to end up slowly dismembered in a cia dungeon.
asciilifeform: aha. still waiting!
cazalla: somewhat the lady doth protest too much?
kakobrekla: later on he downgraded it to 'boiled down to soap'.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: that's starvation, vs gassing
asciilifeform: re: pankkakeing: the basic process is, i think, that someone shows up here, plays for a while, then understands that rocket will not come, will not take him to mars. and leaves - unless he had some entirely other reason for sticking around, such as having become embroiled in actual projects with other people here.
cazalla: 91 advert views.. 1 response to which no additional response was forthcoming.. you'd think asking for $20 an hour (with room to negoiate for those able to muster the courage to ask would get some work but meh)
asciilifeform: adlai, unlike various idlers, actually had a very spiffy project. one which very much resembled something i've attempted to write myself.
asciilifeform: it was his tradebot thing, in common lisp.
asciilifeform: but iirc he was unable to find anyone who would dare to connect it to live btc, on terms that both could agree to.
asciilifeform cannot comment on the quality of this proggy !
cazalla: while conducting the menial labour day in, day out, i figured i have the best deal here in #b-a
cazalla: not expected to contribute anything insightful yet brightest minds show up day in, day out to talk from which i can sort through what interests me
cazalla: more australianisms.. no wonder the police force gets walked all over by a bunch of unemployed protesters https://twitter.com/nswpolice/status/636980440499253249/photo/1
davout: asciilifeform: why would anyone connect to his own live btc the bot written by someone not daring to run it against its own stash?
kakobrekla: prolly not so much 'not daring' than 'not having'. like in the majority of cases.
cazalla: wasn't adlai jewish? (just sayin')
punkman: afaik adlai's bot was making all those small trades on s.mpoe lately
davout: lol cazalla
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00071796 = 2.8359 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: * BingoBoingo swears will eventually start publishing bitcoind patches to mailing list and not qntra, but still has to figure out diff, and nao v << for some reason this didn't show up in log after >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254162
punkman: https://github.com/lfit/itpol/blob/master/linux-workstation-security.md < "a set of recommendations used by the Linux Foundation for their systems administrators"
assbot: itpol/linux-workstation-security.md at master · lfit/itpol · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1UaZYnF )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00070401 = 1.408 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: <davout> BingoBoingo: s/timely confirmations is a simple as/timely confirmations is as simple as/ << fixed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2186 @ 0.00070004 = 1.5303 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: !up hazirafel
hazirafel: thanks punkman
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2227 @ 0.00070004 = 1.559 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: sooo... i just made money whilke sleeping!
mircea_popescu: (03:51:56) >Mircea has managed 0.17 BTC worth of crafting! Congratulations! << enough to buy breakfast!
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 13:46:12; davout: asciilifeform: why would anyone connect to his own live btc the bot written by someone not daring to run it against its own stash?
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254409 >>> i stopped reading at 'Many distributions have partnered with Microsoft to sign their released kernels with a key that is already recognized by most system manufacturers, therefore saving you the trouble of having to deal with key importing.'
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 15:01:47; punkman: https://github.com/lfit/itpol/blob/master/linux-workstation-security.md < "a set of recommendations used by the Linux Foundation for their systems administrators"
mircea_popescu: srsly. what the fuck!?
mircea_popescu: why don't they come fuck the girls too, therefore saving me the trouble of washing my cock afterwards.
ascii_field: run moar Vichy Linux !111!111!!!
mircea_popescu: can stay dry throughout.
ascii_field: quislingux
mircea_popescu: can microsoft eat my icecream plox save me the trouble of going to the dentist
mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong with these people seriously.
punkman: it's pretty bad
mircea_popescu: in what world is the population this fucking stupid i wish to know.
trinque: what happened to msft is evil, and fuck secureboot
trinque: did I sleep too long?
ascii_field: 'linux foundation'
ascii_field: must be something like the bitcoin phoundation...
trinque: put me back in the stasis pod til you finish dataflowputer
mircea_popescu: trinque sorry, the flat batteries ran out.
trinque sighs
ascii_field: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: ascii_field well, is torvalds involved ?
mircea_popescu: "Linus Torvalds Fellow. "
mircea_popescu: what is he, stupid ?
mircea_popescu: wtf is with these people seriously.
assbot: Is the Linux Foundation trying to gag Linus Torvalds? | ITworld ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqD3fP )
ascii_field: 'the Linux Foundation kinda sorta slapped him on the wrist when they issued a new "Code of Conflict" policy that declared "personal insults or abuse are not welcome."'
assbot: Leadership ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqD6rW )
mod6: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.43, Best ask: 235.47, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 235.5, 24 hour volume: 23702.61891169, 24 hour low: 220.11, 24 hour high: 238.9, 24 hour vwap: None
mircea_popescu: it IS, but i mean EXACTLY the bitcoin foundation.
mod6: ;;calc 235*.17
gribble: 39.95
mircea_popescu: and this idiot is putting up with it. why the everloving fuck would you do something like this
mod6: mircea_popescu: that's awesome
mircea_popescu: mod6 what is ?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> (03:51:56) >Mircea has managed 0.17 BTC worth of crafting! Congratulations! << enough to buy breakfast! << this :D
mircea_popescu: oh oh ty :_
punkman: "We believe collaboration can save the world" "When people have the tools and trust to collaborate on a massive scale, nearly any problem can be solved. Since its inception 20 years ago, Linux has become the most used software in the world."
mircea_popescu: in fairness i have been doing huge overcrafts overnight. like 40k a click sorta thing. but... overall im ahead i think
trinque: so when I switch to OpenBSD, they're going to announce their strategic partnership with the FBI?
mircea_popescu: punkman what the shit has this stupoid "foundation" got to do with those 20 years
mircea_popescu: and who the fuck is gah
assbot: Distributed Genius: Advancing the Growth of Linux - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqDy9I )
punkman: (from their frontpage)
mod6: !s banix
assbot: 0 results for 'banix' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=banix
trinque: gotta gas all the ad people.
trinque: they've done this
trinque: you imagine the amount of zoloft it takes for this chick to sound this positive about god knows what?
trinque: not communism but an american advertisement thereof
trinque: I have to lay some of the blame for this starry-eyed world-changer vibe at the grave of Jobs
trinque: everyone wants to be an apple ad.
mircea_popescu: diude there's a lot of them
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 16:41:03; mircea_popescu: and this idiot is putting up with it. why the everloving fuck would you do something like this
mircea_popescu: torvalds.
ascii_field: what would you suggest to him to do ?
trinque: I thought he was supposed to be the big mean dictator man of linux
ascii_field: strap on shaheed vest ?
trinque: ascii_field: shout at people, I thought his schtick was that
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i suggest him to NOT BE A FUCKING "FELLOW".
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i don't know enough about torvalds, but i suspect that his bargain with satan, from which he sleeps ad libitum, involves putting up with this crud
mircea_popescu: fuck that.
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 10:08:53; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254251 <<< it is funded by boost VC, that start up school where kid draper pisses away daddy draper's money on shit on awful ideas like zapchain itself and follow the coin.. boost VC pivoted to cover VR tech so zapchain is also covering VR these days as well!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254366 << "shot at" != killed. the point isn't to shoot at.
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 13:06:45; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ... the whole thing's a small nudge or ten away from people with guns realizing that cops hate getting shot at ... << important to distinguish city police (the folks presently getting shot at) from fed gendarmerie (alphabet soup) - the latter just ~love~ it, on account of it giving them an excuse to waco. all that armour, heavy weaponry, poison gas, flying machines that they've stockpiled,
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254370 <<< mno. luck and "temporary disturbance" is the parsimonious explanation. for some short interval in a well chosen nigerian locaiton you could have pretended the same. then the oil bubble went awya.
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 13:13:02; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254314 << laugh, but all of this has to be in some sense true, or the place would be indistinguishable from zimbabwe. i just looked out my window. i do not - yet - see zimbabwe. ergo some 'meta-' is in the mix.
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 13:17:58; asciilifeform: just lost his mp-rating
punkman: "Meta Glasses" are an actual product btw https://www.getameta.com/
assbot: Home: Meta Augmented Reality ... ( http://bit.ly/1N0pOGG )
mircea_popescu: but to answer cazalla : owing to a by now two decades' traditsion of middle class pushing its inept offspring to "pretend like you're doing something", there's millions of kids floating about with very good first line of answer to "so what are you doing". except if you inquire past that their choice is to either take off or admit they suck. generally, they take off.
mircea_popescu has had for a while auto-lashing for saying the words "i'm trying to". one lash per instance. two bonus for adding any "just" in there.
mircea_popescu: buncha us born chicks went around like zebras for months on account of it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00070329 = 1.3363 BTC [+]
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: what was it they 'tried to' ?
mircea_popescu: doesn't matter. look around. it's what white middle class twerps say when they're trying to talk their way out of shit.
ascii_field: 'there is no try' (tm) (r) ('star wars')
mircea_popescu: "what the fuck are you doing" "i'm just trying to..." "bend over."
mats: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 234.31, vol: 20845.64260649 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 229.874, vol: 10957.87722 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 235.0, vol: 24948.43422478 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 229.73, vol: 8.49962599 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 234.420804, vol: 26744.99840000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 236.624, vol: 288.24688755 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 239.01525, vol: 63.14619619 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: ^ only way to run an office with white people < 40 in it, incidentally.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254382 << main advantage of being half orc is, you still get a functioning penis.
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 13:19:57; cazalla: benefit of being half orc half human.. cannot get into disagreement over puters
mircea_popescu: instead of a malfunctioning cunt.
trinque: this "I'm trying to" reminds me of being asked in job interviews what my "passion" is
trinque: see, you don't have to be good at your "passion", it's just this vague focal point off in the glorious future somewhere
trinque: uh, my passion is fucking, and also having as much money as possible
mod6: !up ascii_field
mod6: hmm that's weird. what am i, stale?
trinque blows on the mic
trinque: paging herr assbot
trinque: !up ascii_field
trinque: wat
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254393 << mno. imo the basic process is, kid lived entire life in circumstances where a) there is cleavage between words and reality ; b) resources are allocated on the basis of group apartenence rather than factual merit ; c) group apartenence is a matter of saying the right words. upon meeting #b-a, which to his inept eyes has very ellaborately, formally structured prot
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 13:29:38; asciilifeform: re: pankkakeing: the basic process is, i think, that someone shows up here, plays for a while, then understands that rocket will not come, will not take him to mars. and leaves - unless he had some entirely other reason for sticking around, such as having become embroiled in actual projects with other people here.
mircea_popescu: ocols, he incorrectly identifies it as "more of the same", goes through the word game, is suprised that this is a dead end.
mod6: (13:04) [freenode] -assbot(~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot)- Insufficient rights, mod6, !up yourself on PM first.
mod6: weird.
mircea_popescu: i guess in the end very similar.
mircea_popescu: mod6 you might be stale.
mod6: looks that way.
mod6 resolves
mod6: lol, my thing stays connected pretty well i guess.
mod6: signon: Sun Aug 2 15:11:02 2015
mod6: *shrug*
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: thing is, fella had a project, just not one that anybody wanted
mircea_popescu: so would my cat, if i had a cat.
punkman: ascii_field: and who doesn't have one!
ascii_field: herr adlai was not a moron, actually was a pretty competent common lisp hand
ascii_field: judging by the few snippets of his i read
mircea_popescu: ascii_field intelligence is not related to this.
BingoBoingo: <trinque> so when I switch to OpenBSD, they're going to announce their strategic partnership with the FBI? << iirc FBI tried the stealthy version of this around 2003 cleaned house quietly and FBI guy went full derp about it again around 2010
trinque: yeah, I was recalling that
trinque: it's ever clearer to me that there can be no sanity apart from economic sanity, and that everything good outside bitcoin will rot in the sun meanwhile
PeterL: seems like this fits here: http://xkcd.com/1570/
assbot: xkcd: Engineer Syllogism ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqHY0m )
mircea_popescu: trinque quite. economic sanity is the cornerstone.
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BingoBoingo: <mod6> lol, my thing stays connected pretty well i guess. << You hit a mega netsplit earleir
assbot: 'tame(2) WIP' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqIw6j )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254403 << im too lazy to dig up where he had a chance to run a mpif thing.
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 13:47:54; kakobrekla: prolly not so much 'not daring' than 'not having'. like in the majority of cases.
assbot: 'tame(2) WIP' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqIw6j )
assbot: 'Using tame() in userland' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqINpZ )
assbot: DI$RUPTIV3 on Twitter: "@danielpbarron Oh fuck you! Piss off you piece of shit I was an anarchist when you were jacking off to Hillary Duff Suck it! @BraveTheWorld" ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqJOy5 )
mircea_popescu: in similar news : why does this make one cringe and think "crash!" http://40.media.tumblr.com/XeVQDo0c64zy1zmxmAyOiEu3_500.jpg ?
mircea_popescu: "Does DP give you creap" ?!
trinque: deleted my twatter the other day
trinque: totally useless
mircea_popescu: ahahaha wait, "i'm the soccer mom married to a fbi derp" "i was an anarchist" ? what else was the retard, a cheerleader ?
BingoBoingo: probably useless for you trinque barely useful for me
mircea_popescu: "i was in the spelling bee!"
mircea_popescu compulsively clicks on all the stuff b-a people put in chan.
trinque: BingoBoingo: I can sort of see its use as a weird, centralized RSS
mircea_popescu: trinque a decade ago in ro it was where all the minxen decided to gather.
mircea_popescu: went to shit within the year.
kakobrekla: >It doesn't seem to be one you use often. Personally, being on lists has never been a good thing for me. < now you are on the list of people not being on the list!
BingoBoingo: trinque: Not at all for that. It's another broadcast channel so long as it lasts. Also useful for yelling at small market sports commentators
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo who for some reason thin kit matters.
trinque: mircea_popescu: terrible incentives. I told a chick the other day that she communicates like she expects her sentences to be retweeted.
trinque: it's a shallow narcissism amplifier
trinque: as reddit
mircea_popescu: i guess that's the one true social media lifecycle : packaging attacks the sort of derps who buy into packaging, which in turn attract the trolls, who naturally feed on them.
trinque: BingoBoingo: I'd rather messaging were solved by a cryptographically sane protocol
trinque: you know, like some kind of internet
danielpbarron: twitter is useful for trolling, although they are cracking down on that by coming up with ways to sort replies so that the less favorable ones get hidden behind "click to see the rest" b.s.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It matters little, but helps the qntra get a bit broader audience than this channel
trinque: doesn't twitter have an HR-department style "don't be mean" policy now?
mircea_popescu: trinque you gotta appreciate young female mating behaviour. what they generally do is pick a small ante.
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mircea_popescu: like "gotta own a car" or "gotta be in X club" or so forth
BingoBoingo: It's all about who you are mean to.
mircea_popescu: changes maybe every 6 months by now
trinque: "gotta like all my pinterests"
trinque: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: nah it's never subjective like that.
mircea_popescu: (seinfeld kinda moicks it in their own retarded toothless way with the marine biologist.
BingoBoingo: Anyways I think a Fundnation account even puts forth qntra nao https://archive.is/LEfBR
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trinque: what I'm thinking of is this general "pay attention to me" I've heard a great deal lately
mircea_popescu: it's usually absurdistanisms of the sort. they drive the type of thinker PeterL's cartoon illustrates absolutely fucking batshit
mircea_popescu: which i suspect is 50% of how "mtgow" got started)
PeterL: "If I follow these steps, the girls will want to date me" sort of thinking?
mircea_popescu: not EXACTLY.
mircea_popescu: it's a fundamental expectation that a) world is reasonably constructed and b) the reasons are accessible. to him.
trinque: hm.
mircea_popescu: now, a may or may not be true. but b ? fuck you lmao.
mircea_popescu: the last time things made sense to me i was 5 years old.
trinque: sounds like female expectation is fundamentally irrational then.
trinque: magical, even
mircea_popescu: trinque how you figure ?
trinque: well how far does this "accessible to him" go?
trinque: I've heard lots of moaning about "make the world the way I want" from women
trinque: generally repulses me
mircea_popescu: think about it for a second. in any game, the "rational" player is the defeated player. rational in this context merely means "that which has been intellectually dominated by the other side".
mircea_popescu: "women" may be "dumb". but they're not this dumb.
trinque: hm, why is rationality on the side of the defeated?
mircea_popescu: (and yes this is also why the state urges the individual to "be rational". oooofcourseitwould. the only rational thing to do is to preserve the 5th amendment, which is to say : i reserve the right to unilaterally shoot any and all policemen on my say so. because that's what fucking independence is.)
mircea_popescu: trinque well think about it. what does "rational" mean ? that YOU can understand it, right ?
mircea_popescu: if the soviets think the germans are being rational and are right, the soviets win. if vice-versa, vice-versa.
trinque: yes, something like I have a model of reality (even if incomplete) and act coherently within that model?
trinque: that makes sense
mircea_popescu: the demand to rationality reduces to "act in a manner i can understand"
mircea_popescu: dominating your environment reduces to ... understanding it.
mircea_popescu: "why can't you be more like plants, said the sheep to the wolf"
trinque: perfectly clear.
mircea_popescu: "be more rational!"
ascii_field: eh, a man with his head off also 'acts in manner his opponent can understand'
mircea_popescu: obviously.
ascii_field: but so does executioner
mircea_popescu: and this is why "incomprehensible" and "evil" are so deeply entertwined throughout the history of thought.
mircea_popescu: it's very plain game theory at work.
mircea_popescu: why do people think whosoever they don't grasp is inspired by satan himself ?
mircea_popescu: because... they are, lol.
ascii_field: now this was always plainly obvious to students of witchcraft prosecutions
mircea_popescu: ascii_field executioner ipso definitio is not an agent.
ascii_field: he is the tool, like the axe. but king who ordered 'heads off', is also acting predictably, no ?
mircea_popescu: but, importantly, teaching the controversy re the 2nd ammendment in terms of "to own or not to own guns" is nonsense.
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mircea_popescu: the core of that is RESEVING THE RIGHT TO SHOOT THE TAXMAN.
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trinque: hear hear
ascii_field: it's kinda like 'the right to behead vikings'
ascii_field: they would not be feared if it were simple to kill'em
ascii_field: could not collect danegeld.
trinque: just depends on how willing you are to commit to a final act
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the thing that [used to] make the us unique was that unlike any other state before, it had this actually plainly said and plainly recorded :
trinque: my local meetwot in austin practically had a celebration in the day's after Stack
mircea_popescu: "it is a right of the citizens to do away with the taxman if they don't like what he does"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: aha. then the 'federalists' won.
mircea_popescu: <trinque> just depends on how willing you are to commit to a final act << this is integral to any possiblity of win, lol.
ascii_field: see 'shay's rebellion' and 'whiskey rebellion
mircea_popescu: try and playing chess but you may not lose the queen.
mircea_popescu: you can't win.
ascii_field: there was no more beheading of the tax man after this.
trinque: but you know, the rebel flag is racis
PeterL: in the US nowadays, the fedgov size only goes up
trinque: that's good; same end state as cancer
mircea_popescu: it has to.
mircea_popescu: the state has two stable sizes. very small and =1.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> try and playing chess but you may not lose the queen. << The most fun part of the game is looking for a way to inflict maximum damage by sacrificing your own queen
PeterL: people are reaching that point where they realize they can just vote for the guy who promises to give them the most of other people's money
mircea_popescu: so everyone must be made to think they work for govt
mircea_popescu: often this means giving them actual jobs.
PeterL: "increase the dole"
trinque: I'm pretty amused by Trump. We can't even do the angry-demagogue phase of the thing right.
trinque: guy's just slightly rude, and this is all we can muster
mircea_popescu: he's a fine pappen.
mircea_popescu: you think, by the way, "oh, weimar republic was weak so strong leader arose in hitler". this is bunk.
mircea_popescu: there were > 100 of them running around before you get to hitler.
mircea_popescu: much like stalin was a minor player. until he wasn't.
thestringpuller: mod6 ben_vulpes https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ioila/surviving_a_transaction_flood_and_keeping_your/cuipewb << Luke-Jr calls the foundation's client obsolete and insecure.
mircea_popescu: which is what mp said... 6 months ago.
PeterL: foundation client or phoundation client?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: he's talking about therealbitcoin
ascii_field: the former
mircea_popescu: so then the faux foundation ?
mircea_popescu: he should say that.
trinque: well, he's obsolete and insecure
ascii_field: he's speaking of 0.5.3-therealbitcoin
mircea_popescu: i dunno why people insist of talking of things using the wrong words.
mircea_popescu: he wants to talk about the scam-foundation faux-client, he can say that
ascii_field: 'obsolete, insecure' aha. where do we seppuku
mircea_popescu: no need to keep trying to actualise his hopes in speech.
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BingoBoingo: !rate luke-jr -1 obsolete, insecure
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trinque: tellingly, the guy still idles here and reads logs.
mircea_popescu: <trinque> "gotta like all my pinterests" << incidentally this is how the "friendzone" happens. if guy confuses the female-group imperative ("gotta be on switch or wtf that ipad dating thing was called") for the female-individual imperative ("gotta carry her bag") the female adds to her observation that "this guy is not matable" the obvious "but exploitable".
BingoBoingo: !rate luke-jr -1 obsolete, insecure, BFL delivery bet scam
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mircea_popescu: tinder not switch.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck does googling "ipad dating app" return... "heavy.com". wtf is that even
trinque: "aggregator" aka ad dumping ground
trinque: looks like
BingoBoingo: !rate asciilifeform 10 Shiva destroyer of Worlds
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trinque: and yeah, Tinder's the one. I couldn't be less interested.
trinque: there's also OkCupid if you want the pretense of personality involved
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trinque: tinder you just swipe through pictures and upvote people
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trinque: speaking of which, ey yo jurov, friendly reminder that I can't change mailman settings
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trinque: mircea_popescu: culturally I think the US is getting to the point where everyone's going insane for lack of "No."
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIxOl1EraXA << check out her fucking hair omfg.
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mircea_popescu: and yet, easily best marseillaise to date.
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trinque: ah I've heard this one I think
trinque: yep
mircea_popescu: rare to find a french girl that says the r fucking proper.
mircea_popescu: all this lazy italian shit.
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mircea_popescu: (french r being very much its own, quite specific thing. like cheese.)
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BingoBoingo: And that should be it for nao
thestringpuller: trinque: read an article in wired recently about how this girl couldn't get laid after college so she signed up for tinder and she is quoted as saying, "I was more promiscuous than I ever could be in college."
trinque: bet she was
trinque: Tinder after all, is repackaged Grindr iirc
trinque: the latter being a gay app for dick-shopping
trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUAJ8KLGqis << and apropos of nothing, here's a gem in the sea of electronic shit
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ascii_field: trinque: any reason to believe the story ?
trinque: ascii_field: which?
assbot: Logged on 27-08-2015 21:40:59; mircea_popescu: now showing... tarzan.
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 18:35:36; thestringpuller: trinque: read an article in wired recently about how this girl couldn't get laid after college so she signed up for tinder and she is quoted as saying, "I was more promiscuous than I ever could be in college."
trinque: ah I'm wrong re tinder and grindr, not related, just one imitated the other
trinque: ascii_field: I know plenty of whores, man
trinque: lol
ascii_field: trinque: not the fact of there being somewhere a whore
ascii_field: the other assertions
trinque: depends on the chick, but if you're not fat, have all your teeth, and so on, I find it hard to believe a girl couldn't find a lay on such a thing
ascii_field: AND WITHOUT
thestringpuller: ^^^- chicks be in Brooklyn be awkward yo.
thestringpuller: see: "Broad City" these girls actually exist.
trinque: heh I actually find both of those rather attractive.
trinque: hilarious show, too
thestringpuller: trinque and my girlfriend would get along
thestringpuller: !up ascii_field
thestringpuller: ascii_field: http://dpaste.com/3E9YD7G.txt << the original article. transposed especially for you!
assbot: Overstock.com to Acquire SpeedRoute Technologies and Related Businesses Nasdaq:OSTK ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDqpeX )
punkman: ""According to Karl Marx, 'The philosophers have only interpreted the world. The point, however, is to change it.' The acquisition of SpeedRoute brings to fruition the idea behind t0.com:  making financial markets more fair and efficient through the application of crypto technology," said Overstock CEO Patrick M. Byrne."
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: thestringpuller: reads entirely like an especially imbecilic vendor shill
thestringpuller: it does, doesn't it. but it seems entirely plausible
trinque: "democratize" !!
trinque: my interest is embiggened
ascii_field: the 'funny cartoonist' bit settles it
trinque: so, I've been running alsa for quite a while without software mixing, only to bother looking into it this week (surely this could be done before pulseaudio!)
trinque: I burned out the poetteringaudio before even bothering with an alternative
trinque: and... dmix
trinque: wtf is pulseaudio even for, except moar attack surface
trinque: lets bolt networking to the sound stack because that'll look sweet on my resume
trinque: hideous
trinque: how can open source result in anything else?
punkman kicks the jukebox
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BingoBoingo: <trinque> wtf is pulseaudio even for, except moar attack surface << Really that's all it is
punkman: it's like X for audio
trinque: if I want my music over there, I'm gonna run mpd over there... and connect to it
trinque: punkman: not bad tunes
trinque: from the perspective of utility, sure, having plan9-like network transparency sounds neat
trinque: for devices, etc
trinque: but... not on this operating system, and not on this hardware
trinque: punkman: this your playlist? it picked lovage next
trinque: Mike Patton is god.
trinque: dan the automator also.
thestringpuller: ugh Fucking Mr. Bungle
thestringpuller: He was only good in Mr. Bungle and only for like 2 albums.
trinque: untrue.
punkman: trinque: no I guess that's youtube magic
trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp8U6Mt_OG8 << patton was also a better dillinger than dillinger
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trinque: though hardcore's not for everyone
thestringpuller: I love disco volante by Mr. Bungle
thestringpuller: And I love the esoteric/avant garde music that kinda breached from it like Estradasphere
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assbot: Mr. Bungle - Pink Cigarette - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDsDLa )
thestringpuller: oh the 90's. California was an okay album
thestringpuller: only cause Disco Volante was mindblowing
thestringpuller: trinque: totally got me nostalgia for early college days. :P
fluffypony: wow who thought we'd see the day where Apple is pro-privacy and Google takes the opposite side: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/27/google_apple_ads/
assbot: Google tells iOS 9 app devs: Switch off HTTPS if you want that sweet sweet ad money from us • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1MTfpL6 )
trinque: fluffypony: Tim Cook has at least paid lip-service to privacy
trinque: for whatever that's worth, not a lot imo
punkman: fluffypony: I see no difference between the two
trinque: sure, "Messages" is end-to-end encrypted. and they can pull the keys from you at any time
danielpbarron: since when is https considered 'privacy' ?
fluffypony: punkman: Apple has enabled HTTPS-everywhere in iOS 9, and Google is saying that you have to disable it in your app if you want to serve Google Ads and gets paid
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fluffypony: danielpbarron: private in terms of your ISP or someone else at the coffee shop sniffing your connection
fluffypony: not private private
fluffypony: hence pro-privacy
punkman: fluffypony: meta-privacy?
trinque: kinda like how I'm free
danielpbarron: a lock to keep out the people who wouldn't have tried anyway
trinque: sing. and rejoice! and sing. and rejoice!
fluffypony: danielpbarron: I've often used ARP poisoning at coffee shops, for shits and giggles
trinque: heh.. they're "trying to be private" !
danielpbarron: if you are reading it, it's written for you (TM)
trinque: so I've been looking into pagers, speaking of smartphones
trinque: alphanumeric pocsag
trinque: it seems to do everything I'd ever want
trinque: for longer messages, send out a page with a URL to an encrypted paste, or something
trinque: and you can retrieve whenever you feel like at some wifi hotspot
trinque: finding a paging service is rough... seems like I want to find a reseller for americanmessaging.net
trinque: biggest network from what I've seen
ascii_field pictures trinque hastily eating a onetimepad
trinque: lol
trinque: !up ascii_field
thestringpuller: http://www.technologyreview.com/news/540921/the-looming-problem-that-could-kill-bitcoin/ << Interview with Gavin on how bitcion is going to die if we don't listen!!!!1111
ben_vulpes: ninjashogun and luke-jr sitting in a tree
ben_vulpes: d-e-r-p-i-n-g
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> the other assertions << college is slightly harder because tight packed in sardine can. other girls keep tabs on the hot guys.
mircea_popescu: <punkman> ""According to Karl Marx, 'The philosophers have only << hurrr. nice lol.
mircea_popescu: <trinque> lets bolt networking to the sound stack because that'll look sweet on my resume << quite.
mircea_popescu: in fairness, guy didn't come out of nowhere. he was prepping for it longer than it'd have take to do 5 bootcamps.
punkman: audio server has some uses but not for civilian
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> wow who thought we'd see the day where Apple is pro-privacy and Google takes the opposite side << google just wants their "privacy". https et all.
trinque: punkman: given existing computing systems, I'd rather run a wire than use pulseaudio's streaming
assbot: Seeed - Augenbling (official Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDviof )
trinque begins to nod
trinque: lol, somebody bought me "moon shoes" when I was a kid
trinque: things were terrible
ben_vulpes: seeed is amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
trinque: I love the way the german language sounds.
trinque: was trying to learn; the myriad articles still kick my puny english ass
trinque: though their specificity, I'm sure very useful
mircea_popescu: what myriad dood, there's 3.
trinque: "this particular one of the set" which is what, dieser?
mircea_popescu: you should see fucking romanian or russian if german is myriad
trinque: that stood out as glaringly absent in english
trinque: oh, I admitted my english puniness
mircea_popescu: trinque depends on gender.
trinque: lol
mircea_popescu: but just because english makes a mess of vocative case / demonstrative pronoun / possesives etc doesn't mean much.
mircea_popescu: (demonstrative is what got boiled down into this/that/these/those)
mircea_popescu: most languages also have a posessive, which in english is conflated in his/hers/theirs.
mircea_popescu: like in romanian you can ask "ale cui is pizdele astea ?" (whose are these cunts ?) and the anser come "ale aceluia" (that guy's) or ale aceleia (that gal's) etc.
ben_vulpes: trinque: dancehall caballeros is another excellent track of theirs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYg9omPYx_M
assbot: Seeed - Dancehall Caballeros (official Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDw4S6 )
mircea_popescu: so you have the seemingly confounding a/al/ai/ale + acesta/acela aceasta/aceea acestia/aceia acestea/acelea. for a grand total of omfg it's romanian - the gathering!
trinque: yeah, I can begin to see how a particular language can limit the specificity of expression
mircea_popescu: (these three males) + (belonging to that guy) = ai aceluia ; (this single female) + (belonging to that group of females) = a acelora.
trinque: will have to dedicate some later part of life to improving my grasp of other languages.
mircea_popescu: just study latin.
mircea_popescu: pretty much all structure of language at the outset of possibility is in there. once you learn it it's just "fill the colors" for any other.
mircea_popescu: which is why it used to be mandatory for learned gentlemen.
trinque: makes sense.
ascii_field: ru works also.
ascii_field: (for illustrating the above.)
mircea_popescu: classic education in russian puts one at no disadvantage.
mircea_popescu: certainly nothing like english does anyway
ascii_field: no pluralgenderedpossessive though
ascii_field: (it is not given to any one language to have all the jumpers set)
mircea_popescu: incidentally the little card trading game illustrated above is the romanian #1 class distinguisher.
mircea_popescu: "are you a pleb or did your parents have enough spare food in your childhood to have the time to teach you the fucking cases"
mircea_popescu: and yes, about half the population doesn't get them right on the first try.
trinque: !up ascii_field
trinque: I've suspected due to the way russian speakers speak english, "a" and "the" might be absent or expressed differently
ascii_field: trinque: ru lacks articles
mircea_popescu: it declines and you're supposed to guess from declension
mircea_popescu: very...chinese, really.
trinque: IRC seems to have influenced me to drop certain subjects, certain articles
mod6: ascii_field: 195.211.154.159 << looks down
trinque: at least while on IRC, not elsewhere
ascii_field: mod6: loads here
mod6: hm i dunno, maybe it'll come back
mircea_popescu: but the main problem english faces is that it fails to make the complemet distinctions. in romanian : la baieti (to the boys) ; baietilor (to the boys). first tells you where, the 2nd whom.
ascii_field: aha you can't 'homo homini lupus est' (tm) in english
mircea_popescu: homini / homines
mircea_popescu: "homo homines lupus est" = man is the wolf of men.
mod6: level3 has some weird shit going on
mircea_popescu: mod6 srsly.
ascii_field: mod6: 213.x.y.z is the vampire imho
mircea_popescu: ascii_field no you can, check it out : man is the wolf of men / man is wolf to men.
mircea_popescu: english, as spoken by the fucking queen, before they got the current crop of hamburg tavern wenches, was in point of fact an actual language.
trinque: is that "homini" like "upon other men"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: that's an explanation, i dare say, not a translation
mircea_popescu: trinque one's "to whom ?" the other is "to where"
mircea_popescu: ascii_field much like the british empire was a pretension, not a reality.
trinque: right, takes much more verbosity to convey similar, but not the same meaning
trinque: as with git vs V
mircea_popescu: it is perhaps not an idle topic of inquiry to find how much of the rotten-ness of extant software stack mostly comes from the unfortunate happenstance that it was written by people who spoke english with their women.
mircea_popescu: a language clearly intended to be spoken to horses.
trinque: seems like exactly the same dump-truck full of partially digested concepts in both cases
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254742 <<< we're yet to even share a meal or a woman, 8-10 does not leave much room eh?
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 18:23:48; BingoBoingo: And that should be it for nao
trinque recalls the "visual programming" project, sees it now as an autoimmune reaction to english and various not-lisps
mircea_popescu: cazalla maybe he knows something you don't.
cazalla: perhaps, but i suspect BingoBoingo had a few drinks much like myself last night
BingoBoingo: cazalla: We share a business. It's survived nearly a year. Also the particular numbers next to ratings don't exactly mean much.
BingoBoingo: Oh, I did the WoT clean up just a little bit ago
BingoBoingo: Sober, my weekend doesn't start for a few more hours
mircea_popescu: "how representative of this person i consider my experience with them"
mircea_popescu: and yes this discussion of structure does merely belie much deeper divergence in the actual usage, which i suspect is driven by fundamental divergence in phylosophy.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, yeah i understand the numbers thing only has value to you, so i am sure you will not be offended that i don't rate higher than a 4-5 for anyone i've yet to share a meal with.
mircea_popescu: for instance, in english : "they found the body" (ie, corpse) ; "smoking is bad for the body" (ie, mechanism) ; this is the body of christ.
mircea_popescu: in romanian : au gasit ~corpul~ [neinsufletit] ; fumatul face rau ~organismului~ ; acesta este ~trupul~ lui hristos.
BingoBoingo: More than anything I use the numbers as a rough combination of interactions and "bus factor"
mircea_popescu: three fucking words. because one's the mechanical body, and the other the biologic body, and the third the metaphysical body.
shinohai: corpus Christi
mircea_popescu: hence "hot bod" = femeie trupesa. ie, transcendental.
mircea_popescu: whereas the idea of body as in "body politic" is all but dead in english, today.
mircea_popescu: (that'd be the third there)
trinque: hm, yeah. I have trouble with that one.
trinque: might've used "soul" there in the past
mircea_popescu: trinque can you explain the difference between cosmos and universe ?
trinque: causes me to think, but I'll first suppose that the former includes the multitude of things within, and the latter refers to the structure within which those things exist
trinque: but I'm by no means happy with those definitions
mircea_popescu: but can you explain the difference between graph and set ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: trup, l0l, труп == corpse
mircea_popescu: ascii_field aha.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field which in romanian is cadavru, mostly.
ascii_field: trupesa <<< ahahahahaha gold
mircea_popescu: literally.
mircea_popescu: it is perhaps antiquated by now. but it's what rubens' good looking women were.
trinque: well, a set would be a rigorously defined category of things sharing properties
trinque: set of real numbers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00071552 = 2.2897 BTC [+]
trinque: a graph is a web of relationships
trinque: I don't know that the relationships need be between things which would be considered to be in the same set
mircea_popescu: trinque quite exactly : a cosmos is the graph of perceptibles. a universe is the set of perceptibles.
trinque: very interesting.
mircea_popescu: and as you might realise, cosmos-focused cultures write fundamentally differfent software from universe-focused culturesa
mircea_popescu: the latter are preoccupied chiefly with entrance barriers, and are debating, predictably, if building a wall across colorado is worth the hassle.
trinque: is this sort of phenomenological thinking vs thinking in terms of theory and structure?
mircea_popescu: as if you know. but hey, the sets are rheaaallly very important to them i tell you.
mircea_popescu: it makes [some kinds of] science easier
mircea_popescu: but those kids are pointedly nothing "social".
BingoBoingo: Look at the herp derps trying to qntra ineptly https://archive.is/k8bEv
assbot: Bitcoin Businesses Take Steps to Prepare for CoinWallet’s September Stress Test – Bitcoin Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1i86rhM )
mircea_popescu: (and the difference is quite understood by native english speakers, at that. consider how "universal karma" sounds vs "cosmic karma". which evokes govt bureaucracy and why ?)
trinque: mircea_popescu: hell, my old boss before I struck back out on my own used "cosmic" constantly
mod6: ascii_field: ok np, seems to be happy again
mircea_popescu: trinque in any case "phenomenological thinking" is a void concept. thinking is not described by the subject it's applied to. you said something roughly like "lighting electrictiy". sure, it can be used to bring light.
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
trinque: !up ascii_field
trinque: assbot's sleepy
trinque: forgets about sessions after a bit, I guess
trinque: mircea_popescu: makes sense. collecting sea shells on a stroll is not thinking
trinque happens upon a crab next
mircea_popescu: not the point. the point is that "phenomenology" is directly equivalent with "which discusses things that happen"
trinque: point is that one may think about phenomena, and not with?
mircea_popescu: you can contrast it with ontology, or gnoseology for that matter. and obviously you can build other quite clever sturctures. but yours didn't mean anything is all.
mircea_popescu: well certainly not at the same time
trinque: rather, I suppose I am thinking with phenomena
trinque knocks on head
mircea_popescu: whatcha mean ?
trinque: that the zaps in synapses are phenomena
mircea_popescu: well they are, if you're looking at it. to the neurologist or w/e.
kakobrekla: trinque voice part is session based, bot was restarted to ignore deedbot- rss links
trinque nods
trinque: drawn by a radical feminist guy, iirc
mircea_popescu: i have nfi
assbot: JL: ‘I Feel Like A Second Class Citizen’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1KSEpOb )
mircea_popescu: "Furthermore, when the nobility went to war, they would employ foreign mercenaries as auxiliary troops." << this, in partiucular, is rank nonsense.
mircea_popescu: mercenary troops wehre the late medieval/renaissance equivalent of art collecting.
mircea_popescu: they never had any military value or utility.
mircea_popescu: (much like the reformed us military is about as useless as sugared sardines)
trinque: there's no particular oppression of the whites going on except as a subset of the kind of oppression the socialist state commits generally
trinque: if they pit one group against another, great. serves it well
mircea_popescu: yes there is
trinque: and I'm skeptical there are even "groups" to speak of
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: 'Bescher' uns armen Landsknecht...'
mircea_popescu: they're fucked in the head.
mircea_popescu: that's all the opression anyone's ever getting.
assbot: Unser lieben Frauen vom kalten Bronnen / Unser liebe Fraue vom kalten Bronnenfree midi mp3 download Strand Hotel Sechelt bed breakfast ... ( http://bit.ly/1i88LW5 )
mircea_popescu: ascii_field ask the earl d'alencon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00071703 = 3.5852 BTC [+] {3}
deedbot-: [Qntra] Teenager Receives Eleven Years Prison, Lifetime Supervision In Exchange For Guilty Plea - http://qntra.net/2015/08/teenager-receives-eleven-years-prison-lifetime-supervision-in-exchange-for-guilty-plea/
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: 'life supervision' << is this the first sentence of its kind ?
cazalla: i would hazard a guess that the lifetime supervision is about minimising the chances this kid can enact his own justice once he reaches an age where he realises what a dud deal this was for him (around the time he gets out i would guess)
ascii_field: in usa
mircea_popescu: cazalla pretty fucking stupid deal, yeah. who the fuck advises these people.
mircea_popescu: anyway, let it be said that joining isis is both morally sounder and economically wiser a choice than applying to any us college.
assbot: George's Answering Machine (HQ) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KSGPws )
cazalla: amusing that 20 years on, George no longer looks like typical fat American
mircea_popescu: GEORGE: Really? (Jerry shakes his head) Maybe this will become like a cool thing, living with your parents.
mircea_popescu: JERRY: (sarcastically)Ya, then maybe baldness will catch on. This will all be turning your way.
mircea_popescu: fat loser had it : 20 years later america went hius way.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: dja hear about the new indigo compound?
assbot: Pigment Discovery Media Attention | Subramanian Research Group | Oregon State University ... ( http://bit.ly/1KSJpm9 )
ben_vulpes: pigment, not dye
ben_vulpes: crappy link, i know
ben_vulpes: saw the guy speak a month or so ago. rather entertaining.
mircea_popescu: i hadn't even known oregon has a university.
ben_vulpes: girls resorted to passing each other notes out of boredom once we descended into the crystal structure.
ben_vulpes: where do you think intel gets its cheap post docs?
mircea_popescu: ah more of that yttrium-manganese stuff.
mircea_popescu: pretty cool huh.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: i'd rather have uncle al's room temp supercon
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's mostly a private joke, between /me and ex osu undergrad
mircea_popescu: ascii_field not like it's this-or-that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00071699 = 5.4133 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00071471 = 2.1084 BTC [-]
cazalla: cannot find it in logs, but whoever mentioned the coindesk pop up spam regarding their conference.. just read this tidbit "..For instance Coindesk putting on this event: it's funded by Citibank, the conventional financial industry, rather than purely libertarian, screw the government kind of thing."
assbot: Silk Road prosecutors talk about Bitcoin, Ripple and money laundering ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCmM8Y )
cazalla: implies most, if not all exchanges are coughing up customer info upon request too
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: Consensus 2015 - TimesCenter, New York, 10th September ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCmYVz )
ascii_field: srsly, 'consensus' ?!
ascii_field: that's the new usg catchword for 'bitcoin agrees to quietly kill itself because That Is How The World Works' ?
ascii_field: 'Organisations like PayPal, Wells Fargo, the US Department of Justice and leading technologists and investors were among the buyers of our first batch of tickets.'
ascii_field: not even trying to pretend otherwise, l0l
ascii_field: betcha mircea_popescu will especially love 'Hear from Xapo's founder Wences Casares, who has been called 'patient zero' for bitcoin in Silicon Valley, on his deal to monetise micropayments in bitcoin with Argentina's biggest social network.'
cazalla: oh look, a makeathon! how about it asciilifeform ?
cazalla: i would pay to watch a live stream of you in that room
ascii_field: wtf am i to do there.
cazalla: make all the things with other aspiring blockchain developers, what else?
phf: livecode a 20mb block support to golang btcd
thestringpuller: ascii_field: when you say pet you mean like a cat or significant other you are sometimes inside of?
ascii_field: the latter
ascii_field: i don't have a cat
ascii_field: (though i have cats orbiting the house)
thestringpuller: reminds me of tv show wehre characters are like "Is Molly his wife or his dog?"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00071471 = 1.7868 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00071508 = 2.0737 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Gavin Andresen on Why Bitcoin Will Become Unreliable Next Year Without an Urgent Fix | MIT Technology Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1WY3pNa )
trinque: http://www.technologyreview.com/featuredstory/527051/the-man-who-really-built-bitcoin/ << mind-bogglingly disrespectful to one of the greatest inventors in recent history
assbot: Meet Gavin Andresen, the Most Powerful Person in the World of Bitcoin | MIT Technology Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1WY3uAx )
assbot: Appeals court reverses ruling that found NSA program illegal ... ( http://bit.ly/1WY3CzS )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
moonpunter: leave it to boston
trinque: moonpunter: that invention... you didn't make that
trinque: I must've been one of a handful of USian kids in the last generation taught respect, if nothing else
trinque: now it's "Get in there, you world-changer! Make your mark!" and piss on our every monument
moonpunter: what invention?
moonpunter is lost
trinque: moonpunter: Bitcoin.
trinque: I am referencing our glorious head of state's comments re: business
moonpunter: Agent Bell
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00070883 = 6.7339 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00071879 = 7.3317 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.0006982 = 8.4482 BTC [-] {6}
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> that's the new usg catchword for 'bitcoin agrees to quietly kill itself because That Is How The World Works' ? << in a word, yes.
mircea_popescu: there';s no dream like pipe dream.
mircea_popescu: and iirc xapo founder was trying his darndest to elicit attention here to little result.
mircea_popescu: trinque let them get invested, all the more shit to pretend like "never happened".
mircea_popescu: like the scam foundation never pushed bfl and so forth.
mircea_popescu: "the man who really invented bitcoin" has a lot to explain re my cock up his throat.
mircea_popescu: more things that "couldn't have happened" etc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00069809 = 6.7017 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 1 hour, 6 minutes, and 30 seconds
mats: o_o
mats: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 371981 | Current Difficulty: 5.425663032788996E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 372959 | Next Difficulty In: 978 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 12 hours, 28 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6229 @ 0.00071318 = 4.4424 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al: dulap rebooted today for no reason known to me.
asciilifeform: i formally declare the hosting subcontractor to be a piece of shit
asciilifeform: and wish to make this known.
asciilifeform: my thirtybux/mo penIII idiot box in american datacenter, in contrast, now hosting 'incitatus', has had one unscheduled reset in ~6 years.
asciilifeform: dulap has had three in almost as many months.
asciilifeform: phuctor is now in recalculatory limbo, and may be for weeks; and therealbitcoin node is in blackhole limbo
gribble: Time since last block: 1 minute and 54 seconds
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but it's bulletproof!!11
asciilifeform: evidently not shitproof though.
mircea_popescu: i think the latter kids don't really grok this "don't reboot machine " thing
asciilifeform: who? the hoster?
mircea_popescu: dulap may be the latest piece of software in actual use that yeah
asciilifeform: that would be not unlike bank not grokking 'don't smear shit over contents of safe deposit box'
mircea_popescu: dulap may be the latest piece of software in actual use that doesn't actually benefit from periodic rebooting
asciilifeform: not only does it not, but it absolutely impossible to do anything re: the running product having to be recalculated on warmup without 1) increasing complexity 25x 2) slowing down processing palpably
mircea_popescu: what are youn gonna do once p runs out of ram ?
asciilifeform: we run out of sks long before this
asciilifeform: but at some point it would need more, yes.
mircea_popescu: sure but nevertheless
asciilifeform: then multiple boxes and clever things with pairwise gcd.
asciilifeform: but i don't actually expect to live this long.
mircea_popescu: there's a limit on how many humans may be people at the same time
mircea_popescu: imposed by adressable ram size.
mircea_popescu: that's the true meaning of "4096"
asciilifeform: approximately.
asciilifeform: sadly there appears to be a much smaller limit in practice
asciilifeform: imposed by fuck-knows-what.
mircea_popescu: WHERE the actual cosmos is in this entire new "computer universe" never ceases to shock and amaze.
mircea_popescu never could have predicted the "should be enough for anyone" magic number really discusses "how manby people may be alive"
asciilifeform: hilariously folks still discuss the situation in purely geometric or even thermodynamic terms
asciilifeform: 'how many fit'
asciilifeform: presumption being that planet ought to resemble a poultry plant
asciilifeform: can fit 3x if you saw off the beaks, aha.
asciilifeform: petrocheez
asciilifeform: thalidomide ftw
mircea_popescu: saw a 20 yo with the flipper arm today.
asciilifeform: there ~are~ other ways to get there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00070937 = 4.3626 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, at meta-kehlsteinhaus, herr metahitler plays metahide&seek with meta-y maids.
mircea_popescu: i have one for you, too!
asciilifeform: ahahahahaha. i think i ~have~ that one
asciilifeform: the book, that is.
mircea_popescu: are there chicks in iut ?
asciilifeform: can't sit a bloke in front of a card punch, y'know
assbot: А я был в Компьютерном Городе - Зарецкий Андрей :: Режим чтения ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmqYPa )
assbot: А я был в Компьютерном Городе - Зарецкий Андрей :: Режим чтения ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmr3Cl )
asciilifeform: hilarious comic, which can't really be appreciated today, prolly.
asciilifeform: it helps to be a no older than 5 y.o. orc who has never seen or heard of a computer.
mircea_popescu: i hated these as a kid
mircea_popescu: "lying idiots, have nfi what a ocmputer is"
phf: http://j.livelib.ru/boocover/1000317190/o/4e97/A._Zaretskij_A._Truhanov__A_ya_byl_v_kompyuternom_gorode.jpeg << book i was given as a small boy << i remember that book! it had a totally soviet intelligentsia cat guy
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