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asciilifeform: (hell, possibly whole usa is candidate for this)
BingoBoingo: Mapsploring I am finding a disturbing number of duelingbajos-fucktowns which by all right ought to have datacenters advertising colospace based on cable locations and intersections.
asciilifeform: they probably have cable in cement vault
BingoBoingo: A number of these fucktowns even have major connection endpoints in the form of bezzelversities
asciilifeform: incidentally, just about every american town of any size has a version of this: the hollowed-out fortified walls of the old strowger-switch telco exchanges
asciilifeform: they are being filled up with 'dc on the cheap'
BingoBoingo: Prime candidate for such an operation is carbondale, Illinois. Lived there once. Oasis of connectivity in a desert. Major chicago-New Orleans pipe. Indianapolis pipe. St Louis pipe. Shithole Kentucky pipes. Many hippies who want to "buy local"
asciilifeform: but still largely empty, because in bezzleworld 'cheap' is a relative thing.
asciilifeform: but at no point does it make sense to emplace anything of any value whatsoever in mr. randomschmuck's house.
BingoBoingo: USG datacenters 10 miles away in Marion, IL off of the pipe path because prisons and FBU
asciilifeform: i will have no part in it. and i can't picture any sane person wanting a part in it.
BingoBoingo: Oh I never said house. I said shed. Shed goes on shitland, in town's once industrial district. Preferably a "superfund" site.
asciilifeform: what, again, would you pay actual money to host in such a place ?
BingoBoingo: to host three machines in different locals for the price of one machine in a big city datacenter
asciilifeform: and how does it beat the 20-30bux/mo an old pentium3 in data center costs?
asciilifeform: methinks we're speaking of a 'chinese backyard steel mill' situation here.
asciilifeform: !s backyard steel
assbot: 6 results for 'backyard steel' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=backyard+steel
BingoBoingo: AH, in this region there is not such a deal I can drive to. A bring the box colo costs $70 USD for 1 rack unit
BingoBoingo: At half depth
BingoBoingo: I'm trying to think out a way to chump this down to $20 per box
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that'd easily fit half a dozen of, e.g., these, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162727
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 21:46:21; trinque: http://www.pcengines.ch/case1c2u.htm << looks great
BingoBoingo: It really would. Or what was that thing which clustered a bunch of opteron slices.
assbot: Statelessness of fearlessness. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jdl1jx )
BingoBoingo: But the franchise model was suggested for a reason. When dealing with homo reddictus must put meatshield up to absorb derp.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm just at a serious loss to picture how this wins.
assbot: Epidemiology is hard to follow. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jdl7HU )
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: nice job ? y'know i'm taller than that guy ;) though i can see the similarity
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Who said it wins? I'm merely suggesting it could take in more dollars than expended. At the moment McDonalds is losing.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: your blog has a header ! and it's a c-c-c-car !!
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: 'Sorry, hun, doesn’t work like that. That was the Ambien you took.' << is this the new substitute for lsd ?
asciilifeform: what's it do, specifically ?
asciilifeform: feel like i heard of it before
BingoBoingo: Consider college towns. Local population of students who want a seedbox for torrents who can't on the campus network because of network restrictions on. Just need any box they can ftp into.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: indeed it's from tlp. and it's a sedative.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Ambien makes one trip balls if you stay awake instead of sleeping
pete_dushenski: ambien "It is a short-acting nonbenzodiazepine hypnotic of the imidazopyridine class[3] that potentiates GABA, an inhibitory neurotransmitter, by binding to GABAA receptors at the same location as benzodiazepines.[4] It works quickly, usually within 15 minutes, and has a short half-life of two to three hours."
BingoBoingo: Less LSD alternative and more "robotrip" alternative
asciilifeform: so ghb-like mechanism ?
asciilifeform: robotrip ?
BingoBoingo: ghb like, if GHB were ken shamrock and Ambien Kimbo Slice
asciilifeform is very much out of date on dope trivia
pete_dushenski: robotrip sounds like robocop come back from the dead as a walking zombie
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You've never had a whole bottle of dextromorphan only cough syrup and communed with your toilet bowl contemplating "All"
asciilifeform will catch up on dope when he is finally confined to the психушка
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski still awake ?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski ought to write a piece on the uprising at treblinka.
asciilifeform: (specifically)
pete_dushenski: hm. can't say i know much about it.
asciilifeform: ^ this re: the quoted thread with spandrell
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: have some source material handy ?
asciilifeform: re 'wives & children'
asciilifeform: what languages does pete_dushenski have a command of ?
BingoBoingo was prescribed Ambien to sleep in Undergrad. Made the mistake of taking before getting last cigarette of the evening. Ambien can trigger some odd things.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: for translation purposes : french and spanish. the romanian bits i do, awful as they are, are only because mp authored them.
BingoBoingo: Also... get ready for more bearded ladies http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/06/18/aging_as_a_disease.php (female facial hair is most notorious metformin side effect)
assbot: Aging As a Disease. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jdm0QG )
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: my recollection (ru sources) is that treblinka was the site of one of the very few uprisings on account of the participants in said uprising having already lost their women
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: what 'odd things' did ambien trigger for you ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: ah yes, this rings a bell now. probably from the logs.
pete_dushenski: !s treblinka
assbot: 4 results for 'treblinka' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=treblinka
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Mostly it triggered some interesting visual things and a profound compromise in judgement equivalent to a fifth of bourbon, but without the other tell tale warnings actual booze would offer.
asciilifeform: 'At Treblinka, an underground organization plotted an armed rebellion and mass escape. Learning about the Warsaw ghetto revolt from the last transports of Jews brought to Treblinka from Warsaw, the organizers decided the moment for revolt had arrived. On August 2, 1943, the underground fighters put their plan into action: to steal arms from the warehouse; eliminate the German and Ukrainian guards on duty; set the camp on fire;
asciilifeform: destroy the extermination area; and, then help the remaining prisoners escape to the forest. Many were killed during the rebellion, including all the resistance leaders, as the flames and reports of the revolt brought German reinforcements from all directions. But as many as 200 prisoners escaped to the neighboring forest, and perhaps twenty of those men survived German efforts to recapture them.'
asciilifeform: ^ engl. summary
BingoBoingo: If in bed immediately after ambien... much sleep. Problem is I developed tolerance to the stuff rapidly.
assbot: Uprising in Treblinka ... ( http://bit.ly/1JdmiXY )
pete_dushenski: written in 1945 and presented before us congress.
asciilifeform: does it mention the interesting detail re: the women ?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I'm probably missing some nuances because... a decade ago
trinque: I had a roommate who would sleepwalk on ambien
trinque: started talking to me about the rollercoaster theme park he was at one night
trinque: and other hilarious nonsense
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: just scanned it. account describes particular atrocities against women and babies, but doesn't specifically state that 700 "workers" who staged coup were mostly or entirely men.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: alcohol sounds more fun.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: It is
BingoBoingo: trinque: The cognitive impairment if I remember correctly is at least equivalent to 750ml of 80 proof liquor
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: that they were men is no surprise of any kind. but the detail i recall was that they were men who either had no wife, no sister, in the camp (or knew that these were safely dead)
trinque: BingoBoingo: yeah I took some for the hell of it
trinque: felt disoriented, confused, but nothing worth repeating
BingoBoingo: A couple years later I was at a conference I wanted to nope the fuck out of, had one left in my grooming package. Challenged the up escalator and lost. Thankfully my (actual) sherpa kept me from falling in the Chicago river
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: spandrell's 'we should stop and think what makes bold people bold, and what patterns are common to people who can fight back' is reasonable observation
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: seems like a tricky and rather specific detail to unearth about treblinka. may be apocryphal ?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: may be.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: also ties into mp's "married men should stfu" piece
pete_dushenski: though most don't need to be told this, as spandrell points out.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: re: spandrell and courage: think about the soviet propagandists' exhortation to 'go kill a german with your bare hands.' was it this that won the war? or also other things, like supply lines from factories set up in open air past urals, etc. ?
asciilifeform: bare courage gives you: zulu.
asciilifeform: charging british 'maxim'
asciilifeform: (there were occasions where zulu - won! but notice we have a britain today, shrivelled cock and all, but still on the map; but no zulu)
pete_dushenski: well, strategy's a thing.
pete_dushenski: courage doesn't mean kamikaze in a port-a-potee
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu might disagree
pete_dushenski: perhaps.
asciilifeform: if saturday's thread is anything to go on
pete_dushenski: ok so courage is necessary but not sufficient
pete_dushenski: it's *all* the zulu had
funkenstein_: there may be things in the world not on your map
pete_dushenski: there most certainly are.
funkenstein_: as someone who spend fathers day cleaning shit off lightbulbs, i look forward to the opportunity to disprove the thesis
asciilifeform: if funkenstein_ has a secret map pointing out a kingdom of nuke-wielding zulu, he oughta share.
funkenstein_: they show up in gibson's cyberspace don't they
asciilifeform wonders how shit might end up on a light bulb
asciilifeform: own a pet hippo ?
pete_dushenski: funkenstein_: this'd be the thesis that family men have too much to lose to wage war ?
funkenstein_: that's the one
funkenstein_: compare e.g. mao and kai-shek
funkenstein_: at least from the histories i have read
funkenstein_: kai-shek had son captured by russians, was incapacitated
funkenstein_: mao, didn't give a flying fuck about kids
asciilifeform: famously, fate of stalin's son
pete_dushenski: funkenstein_: i suspect that a healthy chunk of b,tmsr~ is equally prepared to prove this wrong.
pete_dushenski: the digital domain being quite a different landscape from the concentration camps, i suspect it's entirely possible.
pete_dushenski: like the deficits that we can run, no one else can do.
asciilifeform: i never grokked that part
asciilifeform: by same argument, e.g., linux, has been running a far bigger 'deficit,' longer
pete_dushenski: difference between voluntary and coerced taxation model is my understanding.
asciilifeform: (are we simply mentally tallying unpaid specialist labour?)
asciilifeform: who was coercively taxed to write linux kernel ?
pete_dushenski: we're mentally tallying 'the state's' revenues vs. expenses
pete_dushenski: revenues are decentalised and therefore 'off the book'
pete_dushenski: expenses are 'for the greater good' and 'on the book'
asciilifeform: just pointing out that herr torvalds could run the same kind of calculation, and end up with similarly fantastic numbers
asciilifeform: of how many armadas could have been bought with the money he never had to pay
assbot: Re: realistic but short and simple LISP examples? - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jdo3V5 )
funkenstein_: time to reveal my complete ignorance of lisp
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: read link. not actually about lisp
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: torvalds might do just that if he saw the value of such a calculation and understood the implications
funkenstein_: ah, you are on topic :)
asciilifeform: colour me thick, but i still don't feel like i have a grasp of the implications.
funkenstein_: he feels "tricked" to "give away work"?
pete_dushenski: well you're far from thick and not all that coloured, but the implication is that for an organisation as ambitious as this one, our enemies have their work cut out for them.
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2015 16:36:33; mircea_popescu: it's not so much a "i want those guys back" as it is "i want the situaiton where being 20 and into computers was more distinctive than any other thing - and you could spot a govt mole from a mile away"
asciilifeform: ever wonder how this went away ?
asciilifeform: the original generation of 'computers are interesting and we know basic maths, etc' grew old, mostly did not die yet except in ben franklin's sense of 'most people die at 25 but buried at 75'
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i dunno torvalds well, but he doesn't seem to have 1/10 mircea_popescu's ambition
pete_dushenski: as such, torvalds won't direct his unpaid armadas towards anything like the targets and projects that mp will.
asciilifeform: but they went into the meatgrinder described in linked naggum piece.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: my nodes are actually failing to connect to either IP
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: mine connect 100%
asciilifeform: anyone else having same experience as ben_vulpes ?
funkenstein_: doing useful work is hardly a meatgrinder
ben_vulpes: i must be cocking this up in some novel way
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: read the naggum piece again.
asciilifeform: esp. the part re: 'is a surplus phenomenon'
funkenstein_: i'm not hugely impressed by his analysis
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asciilifeform: funkenstein_: would you be willing to share, roughly, how old you are ?
funkenstein_: this might apply to say, nethack coding
funkenstein_: but some things do have needs they address
funkenstein_: probably older than you, just not wiser
funkenstein_: due to various factors you may have already surmised
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: so you oughta be well-equipped to understand the observation re: 'it costs a hell of a lot to live'
funkenstein_: ok i don't know norway.. but i think that needs a bit of sussing out
funkenstein_: he does mention "advanced society¨..
asciilifeform: norway was considerably more expensive for naggum than for just about anyone
asciilifeform: on account of how he ended up - literally - taxed to death
funkenstein_: ok that context does help thanks
asciilifeform: (short version: he decided that he could easily live off the consulting pay from working a few months / year. no. gov. decided that he must be secretly working the remainder of the year, and demanded tax, which he could not afford to pay. was driven into penury and died of self-neglect from easily treatable diseases)
funkenstein_: it is an often discussed irony that technology decreases leisure time
asciilifeform: but overall he was, i think, referring to the more prosaic fact that it costs a hell of a lot to ~not live like a 17 y.o. shit~
asciilifeform: that is, having four walls to sit in without strangers sharing the space, to eat real food, to sometimes visit doctors, etc
asciilifeform: this is even aside from the expensive things folks sometimes ~choose~ to do when they grow older, like producing children, etc
pete_dushenski: children, traveling, cars, hobbies...
pete_dushenski: it adds up quickly.
asciilifeform: there are other 'costs' that aren't precisely monetary, like the fact that you can't do the 20 years where you became a serious specialist in something - over again
funkenstein_: the travel one rings true.
pete_dushenski: ah yes, 'opportunity costs'
funkenstein_: damn in norway? that is surprising, from what i hear of social system there
funkenstein_: anyway, the irony is that he is.. while complaining about it.. donating his time to write the piece
funkenstein_: for us to discuss here now
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: a usenet post (or, for that matter, me speaking here) is more like a fart
asciilifeform: than 'donated time'
asciilifeform: it doesn't soak up concentration of the kind that is a serious limited resource in a thinking person's day
funkenstein_: useful work
funkenstein_: you can't be serious
asciilifeform: next time you're hungry, try eating this 'useful work'
funkenstein_: i'm sure you dream IRC
funkenstein_: I'll stick with oats and water
funkenstein_: I had a dream, something happenend in channel, and you or someone said "six months! right on schedule"
asciilifeform: wasn't me
funkenstein_: hehe
asciilifeform doesn't recall doing the 'six months' thing personally, either
funkenstein_: so it's a thing?
funkenstein_: i mean, past the excellent Yeshiva post
asciilifeform: it was a maxim made up by either mircea_popescu or pete_dushenski (forgot who)
asciilifeform: whereby a n00b 'must read log for 6 mo' before he can make any sense
funkenstein_: :D
funkenstein_: maybe that's what it was
asciilifeform is still not certain that he 'makes sense' even today
funkenstein_: lol
asciilifeform off to bed
funkenstein_: sleep well
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assbot: IRC Yeshiva | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JdpYJ9 )
pete_dushenski: where have the last 15 months gone ?
funkenstein_: maybe we will later complain, we were immature to give away our time? I don't think so.
pete_dushenski: i've personally taken a lot more than i've given, at least intellectually.
pete_dushenski: for that, i've received a hell of a deal.
pete_dushenski: i couldn't imagine having spent the last year and a bit more productively, even if, yes, it wasn't free. but what of value is ?
funkenstein_: the whole shebang maybe?
funkenstein_: hawking said, the universe is the ultimate free lunch
funkenstein_: i think this whole cost analysis thing only makes sense to do in a specified context
funkenstein_: which is part of the problem with the naggum piece as well
funkenstein_: cheers
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cazalla: pete_dushenski, no auto approve for second comment onwards?
cazalla: today is the winter solstice and gee it is fucking cold
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49900 @ 0.00040915 = 20.4166 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> asciilifeform: i dunno torvalds well, but he doesn't seem to have 1/10 mircea_popescu's ambition << eh let's not exagerate, guy's been dealing with linux for two decades.
mircea_popescu: "more efficient use of physical memory. All processes share the same physical pages for the code in the DSOs. With prelinking startup times for dynamically linked code is as good as that of statically linked code."
mircea_popescu: retard put thios right after his two "security" "killer arguments" ?
mircea_popescu: so what's the idea, "using the bus instead of owning a car is a killer security feature, because a) if someone wants to piss in your seat they don't know which seat you will take (you're of course still open to sitting in a pool of urine that nobody intended for you particularly) and if the ny dept of idiocy decides to make the seats smaller and affix dongs, you get smaller seats and a dong up your ass the next day, no
mircea_popescu: need to go buy a new car"
mircea_popescu: at least they're brave.
assbot: Linux Hater's Blog: A tribute ... ( http://bit.ly/1eCCh50 )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "Ab 1996 arbeitete er für die Firma Cygnus Solutions. Von 1999 bis September 2010 war er dann Mitarbeiter des Linux-Distributors Red Hat. Seit Oktober 2010 arbeitet er für Goldman Sachs."
mircea_popescu: see, why can't you be more like lloyd brown.
assbot: Munich, Germany realizes that deploying Linux was a disaster, going back to Windows ... ( http://bit.ly/1SBWRkm )
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform can't find my fat-fingering, but my node running your patch *does* connect to lfnet. it does not, however, obtain a connection to another node thereby.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes is loath to apply wireshark to this
mircea_popescu: you will have to somehow answer the question of "does it try to send"
ben_vulpes: ahaha
ben_vulpes: well first off there are no clients in the bitcoinchannels
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 04:19:47; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You've never had a whole bottle of dextromorphan only cough syrup and communed with your toilet bowl contemplating "All"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes 01 to 99 ?
BingoBoingo: cazalla: My CYP450 2D6 is too fast to try that. Converts it to its worst form too fast for a hellish peak (/me kinda also regrets spitting in a tube so USG could profile my dna to discover this)
ben_vulpes: #bitcoin01,02,03,05,05,10,20,25,30,35,22
cazalla: so what's that do, hasten the effects or increase them as well?
ben_vulpes: confirmed that my node is actually connecting by hardcoding its connection room
ben_vulpes: i fear there are either no ungavinized nodes out there, or they're allr unning with no irc connectino
BingoBoingo: cazalla: It hastens turining drug into more extreme version of the drug.
cazalla: dxmo from memory
ben_vulpes: i was going to script this, but a visual inspection seems to indicate no nodes on the irc.
BingoBoingo: Which mean sure, you can trip balls, but the toilet is getting hugged the whole time
cazalla: SWIM many years ago turned to research chems instead of cough syrup
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes now im curious.
ben_vulpes: i tried this with both the IP addr for lfnet in the satoshi codebase and also the ip addr provided when loking up irc.lfnet.org
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: lemme know if i can answer anything for ya
ben_vulpes: i'm appropriately burnt out on self-mgmt on this task for today, but can still turn cranks
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: it's okay, the toilet needs it.
ben_vulpes: in other news, i named the car.
ben_vulpes: "stella", for a favorite kids book "stella luna", because the car is a batmobile.
ben_vulpes: !up mius
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ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-06-2015#1158322 << can only be resolved on a case-by-case basis, not ever at a larger scale i don't think.
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 16:53:02; mircea_popescu: ascii_field the problem of child-herding, so far unresolved, is that women care too much and men don't understand wtf is in the box.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49850 @ 0.00040663 = 20.2705 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yep, its dead.
mircea_popescu: plenty of dogecoin chans with 1 user, two full chans of namecoin, 180 users, and otherwise an endless parade of scamcoins omfg, i never heard of most of 'em.
mircea_popescu: and by "it's dead" i mostly mean lfnet. nothing there.
ben_vulpes: evening, hanbot.
hanbot: howdy
ben_vulpes: mwell i'm pooped.
ben_vulpes: (i had an icecream today - thought of the various ice creams in bsas)
BingoBoingo: hanbot: Great piece on the Texas drama, congrats.
hanbot: how'd it compare?
hanbot: tyvm BingoBoingo!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes productive day
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171526 << let's not get into which power rangers missed 5 btc because there's not poop on their magic markers.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 03:01:25; BingoBoingo: "AntPool just missed out on 4.644BTC/$1128USD worth of transaction fees because they weren't mining with full-RBF"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171531 << you will note miners can do this NOW if they feel like it. there's exactly zero need for peter todd or anyone else to be involved.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 03:03:11; ben_vulpes: broadcast a transaction with a higher fee, miners will include it preferentially to a previous transaction with the same inputs
mircea_popescu: some do, most don't, principally because it ain't worth the hassle.
mircea_popescu: more gargle about the pies in the skies of our imaginary homeworld.
pete_dushenski: cazalla: your most recent contravex comment did auto-approve. not sure why it might've appeared otherwise on your end.
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171545 << it's a more complicated problem than it seems to be (mostly because of the short timeframe involved and the layered nature of the mempool) and the miners are more technologically inept than one'd expect.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 03:05:35; *: asciilifeform sorta assumed that miners already optimize for snarfing up max fee
ben_vulpes: i'm off.
mircea_popescu: sleep well.
ben_vulpes: harder every night but thanks
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171558 << this sounds a lot more professionally qualified than is the case. more like "i invented a novel inovative user-friendly streamlined buzzword-buzzword way to pick up aples : by their tail. can i has consulting gig ? watch my presentation on toilet paper theory."
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 03:07:57; asciilifeform: i can picture the minutes. 'hitler: you know, miners are using own versions of bitcoin and don't particular feel like backporting their necessary mods to yours. hearn: so let's do the work for them. gavin: fine idea'
mircea_popescu: academia sort of stuff.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 03:31:44; asciilifeform: (not because valuable, but because copper scavengers need to be publicly flayed rather than encouraged)
mircea_popescu: it's what bacteria does for us!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171598 << yes without anyone noticing. plants do it all the time. so do ants. so does water. trivial to design a bot that breaks up cement at the rate of a foot a year.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 03:35:14; asciilifeform: (it is possible to break up cement, but not without anyone noticing. this is the basic principle for the nuke test-ban compliance gadget used on both sides of the ocean)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171681 << how do you even tell how tall he is ? by comparing with the pins ?
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 04:13:34; pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: nice job ? y'know i'm taller than that guy ;) though i can see the similarity
pete_dushenski: proportions with surroudings, sure, including pins.
pete_dushenski: surroundings*
pete_dushenski: i'm guessing he's 5'10" - 5'11"
pete_dushenski: http://www.coindesk.com/judge-rules-in-peer-to-peer-bitcoin-lending-lawsuit/ << fiat court tries to deal with fallout of btcjam scamming
assbot: Judge Rules in Peer-to-Peer Bitcoin Lending Lawsuit ... ( http://bit.ly/1JdwsrA )
pete_dushenski: !s btcjam
assbot: 139 results for 'btcjam' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=btcjam
mircea_popescu: "You can predict the level of violence in an area just by looking at alcohol sales." << worst stupid ever.
mircea_popescu: this is in fact a straight revival of 1880s us missionary cant.
mircea_popescu: they were engaged in a political battle, at hte time, because they didn't like that the men, congregating in bars, decided elections.
mircea_popescu: they wanted the women, congregating in churches, to decide elections instead.
mircea_popescu: because they just so happened to have 0% survival changes in a bar, and ran churches.
mircea_popescu: pretty much every failure of the us post gilded age can be traced to the losing of that battle. and no, giving women the vote was not a bad idea. great idea. but they should have burned the missionaries on a stake.
mircea_popescu: "Have a daughter, not a son." << heh, mmmmkay.
pete_dushenski just imagines white collar couple with bundle of female joy in tow citing such 'science' 'proving' the wisdom of their 'decision'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171739 << riiight. maybe also figure out the patterns that make one go to heaven. go through the motions of being happy. play the harmonica, badly.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 04:38:11; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: spandrell's 'we should stop and think what makes bold people bold, and what patterns are common to people who can fight back' is reasonable observation
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171476 << because parts are increasing in price ? i'm not seeing this with the w126. too many of them were produced, too many still on the road. parts are monumentally cheap.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 02:41:52; asciilifeform: incidentally, anyone who owns old cars and frequents mechanics would have to be blind to suggest that usd is not palpably inflating
mircea_popescu: if this pattern bullshit worked we wouldn't be stuck here with glibc. and that goes exactly to pete_dushenski "wisdom of decisions" thing above too
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171744 << it was the bare hands thing that won the war.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 04:40:08; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: re: spandrell and courage: think about the soviet propagandists' exhortation to 'go kill a german with your bare hands.' was it this that won the war? or also other things, like supply lines from factories set up in open air past urals, etc. ?
mircea_popescu: what supply lines, are you fucking kidding me ? the orcs fought the war in borrowed pants.
pete_dushenski: and rakes iirc
pete_dushenski: not *in* rakes, with.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171747 << ask any of the women that either travel to zululand to be raped or out of there for lack of enthusiasm for the activity.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 04:41:08; asciilifeform: (there were occasions where zulu - won! but notice we have a britain today, shrivelled cock and all, but still on the map; but no zulu)
mircea_popescu: last i know nobody visits london for they currently alive there.
pete_dushenski doesn't know why 'borrowed pants' is such a funny visual image.
mircea_popescu: it is, isn't it ? :D
pete_dushenski: lol yup !
pete_dushenski: speaking of nothing, i've already dodged two of the four 'wedding bullets' between c4 and i. two scheduled for september already.
mircea_popescu: now make them name the kids "Seven"
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 04:48:44; asciilifeform: by same argument, e.g., linux, has been running a far bigger 'deficit,' longer
mircea_popescu: now that we're here, the argument can be brought. before, no.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171800 << wait, you're actually discovering anything in the irc ?
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 04:58:26; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: mine connect 100%
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43100 @ 0.00040336 = 17.3848 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: early morning ahead. bon soir !
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171822 << mno. "that is, that once one agrees with the braindamaged pretense that 'end to violence', he is forced to hypocritically reintroduce violence in a very complex form, which reduces to the bezzle, or in carlin's words, 'everyone's quest to stick it to the other guy faster and deeper'. and so he accepts your 50x inflated carrots because he wants to sell you 67x in
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 05:08:06; asciilifeform: that is, having four walls to sit in without strangers sharing the space, to eat real food, to sometimes visit doctors, etc
mircea_popescu: flated carrot cake.
mircea_popescu: naggum could not keep up WITH THIS. with the threadmill of sublimated violence that is the bezzle.
mircea_popescu: he was an idiot for not understanding he is going into it, and for not acting accordingly, but most of all for misrepresenting the sordid state of affairs as a) civilised and b) a fact of life.
mircea_popescu: it is neither. it is the unseemly result of delusion shared by idiots.
mircea_popescu: you have no business sitting at the poker table unless you intend to bluff, and you have no business living in norway unless you have a clear scam to apply to the government in mind.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, they WILL scam you more than you scam them, and you end up with a hole in your gut. one should not visit the anthill unless one's either an anteater or equipped as one.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "After Chorazycki's death our plan had to be postponed for several months because we had no qualified leader, and none of us wanted to take moral responsibility for an unsuccessful coup." << ye see ? what more dja want ?
mircea_popescu: these abject nobodies, everything they thought they knew having not merely failed, but having been well proven to have failed beyond the shadowest shadow of a doubt,
mircea_popescu: still exhibit vanity, in a laughable degree hard to put into words. worms, whose lives consist of being generally too low to piss on, think of their "moral responsibility".
mircea_popescu: what more's needed ? broken in the fucking head, these people.
mircea_popescu: what moral responsibility ? to whom, to what ?
mircea_popescu: punkman i never saw that one.
punkman: that cover is probably the best thing about it
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 06:43:53; pete_dushenski: cazalla: your most recent contravex comment did auto-approve. not sure why it might've appeared otherwise on your end.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42099 @ 0.00038916 = 16.3832 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Iama Pornographer who just hit 10 MILLION views on Pornhub! :) : IAmA ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5p7be )
mircea_popescu: wonder how much 10mn views is actually worth
mircea_popescu: i suspect under 1k.
cazalla: well she claims she and her partner are making more doing porn than their old jobs
punkman: "If you record yourselves getting sexy whilst watching a video of yourselves getting it on while you are also watching a video of yourselves getting jiggy, then you can call it Cum-ception for the slam dunk of porn pun movies."
cazalla: i imagine the tube sites are just a means to funnel people to their pay sites but 10 million views sounds better to the reddit crowd
punkman: $500 if 5 cents per 1k views, and that's probably high for porn traffic
punkman: maybe their paid stuff converts well though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28125 @ 0.00039712 = 11.169 BTC [+]
cazalla: to think indiancandy could've accumulated a similar amount of views if she only didn't piss around paying people to promote her instagram and got her clothes off willingly
mircea_popescu: i recall paying 5cents per 1k. in 1998.
mircea_popescu: shitty tube traffic ? i dunno that you could sell it at any price, a decade ago.
mircea_popescu: cazalla saffron does have enthusiasm going for her, im sure she's doing ok.
mircea_popescu: and i believe she;s making better money off sexual enthusiasm than off whatever pink collar career. but NOT because 10 trillion clicks.
cazalla: meh i won't begrudge her for 10m views, prob far more than some mainstream pros get these days
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ben_vulpes: grexit?
punkman: not yet
mats: nine more days
punkman: it's been nine more days for years
mats: b-but, this time...
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punkman: "Poole said that one neighbor using self-driving technology downloaded a software update that disabled his tractor for a week in the middle of planting season this spring. If a system is working, farmers will often hold off on updates rather than risk complications"
assbot: Farm Hack ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rpjvd2 )
assbot: How_to_build_a_multimachine ... ( http://bit.ly/1RpjJRq )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: mega-l0l
ben_vulpes: "jungle conditions"
ben_vulpes: plus huge existing infrastructure.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: does your node hang after 'IRC got who' ?
asciilifeform: because mine *NOW DOES*
ben_vulpes: hey have you successfully procured a peer from irc?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al ^
ben_vulpes: myup.
ben_vulpes: nobody in those channels.
asciilifeform: this worked earlier
ben_vulpes: of course
asciilifeform: i mean, as late as 3 days ago..
ben_vulpes: if you've not blown away addr.dat, yours should still work
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i blew it away just this minute specifically to test.
ben_vulpes: (remind me again why all these bdb files are necessary?)
asciilifeform: anyone notice if gavingang sent out 'alerts' recently ?
ben_vulpes: not it.
asciilifeform: it does appear to follow from this discovery that: the other side is paying attention...
asciilifeform: and that we need 1) own seeds 2) optionally, irc box 3) organized hunt for ungavinized seeds from planet as a whole, to seed (1) nodes with
ben_vulpes: how can one identify an ungavinized node?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: only approximately, by claimed version
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171876 << the 'address space randomization' thing is precisely 'teacher's condom' (as depicted in comic, https://xkcd.com/463 )
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 06:05:32; mircea_popescu: so what's the idea, "using the bus instead of owning a car is a killer security feature, because a) if someone wants to piss in your seat they don't know which seat you will take (you're of course still open to sitting in a pool of urine that nobody intended for you particularly) and if the ny dept of idiocy decides to make the seats smaller and affix dongs, you get smaller seats and a dong up your a
assbot: xkcd: Voting Machines ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8OSt9 )
ben_vulpes: could also do something wacky with usernames iin irc
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it appears to be (now) empty.
ben_vulpes: it'd be trivial to fill it back up.
ben_vulpes: proxy from the network proper into irc.
asciilifeform: fill up ~our~ (not yet built) box, not random schmuck's
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171972 << i find it smashingly hilarious that everyone today seems to still be buying that particular bit of wartime engineered psychosis. the 'fighting without pants, one rifle for three men' thing 100% lines up with the '41-'42 period when su was having the shit kicked out of it.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 07:16:41; mircea_popescu: what supply lines, are you fucking kidding me ? the orcs fought the war in borrowed pants.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78350 @ 0.00040611 = 31.8187 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: yes, it was necessary. to buy time for the conveyors to start up.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4320 @ 0.0004082 = 1.7634 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 07:16:50; pete_dushenski: and rakes iirc
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171993 << well yes, the 'expense of civilized life' ~is~ 'treadmill'
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 07:28:09; mircea_popescu: naggum could not keep up WITH THIS. with the threadmill of sublimated violence that is the bezzle.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171994 << but how, precisely, was herr naggum to get out of it? recall, he did not spend whole life in one country - was in usa for most of the upper '90s
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 07:28:36; mircea_popescu: he was an idiot for not understanding he is going into it, and for not acting accordingly, but most of all for misrepresenting the sordid state of affairs as a) civilised and b) a fact of life.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171997 << it is my considered view that naggum got out of the game the only way he knew how...
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 07:30:48; mircea_popescu: otherwise, they WILL scam you more than you scam them, and you end up with a hole in your gut. one should not visit the anthill unless one's either an anteater or equipped as one.
asciilifeform: if someone would like to take a break from voodoo and put on engineer hat, i'd like to hear concrete notion of what naggum 'should have' done
asciilifeform: as it was, he was not interested in going to africa to be arseraped. instead, 'drowned like a gentleman'
mats: enlisted in a bezzlatron until pile of 'fuck you money'?
asciilifeform: mats: he did this. and was dekulakized
asciilifeform: because why should some schmuck get to keep his pile ?
mats: was not a good little soldier, i take it.
asciilifeform: that pile is not yours by virtue of having your name on it. it belongs to apex predator
asciilifeform: which in naggum's case was oslo regime
mats: sure. thats why you eat his heart.
asciilifeform: go, eat. it's still there.
mats: i vaguely recall Naggum swimming in SF bay... there is more than one bezzlatron to be had
asciilifeform: mats: notice that he did not stay there. and, though all i have to work with is his writings, i believe i've a good handle on ~why~
asciilifeform: my understanding is that he didn't want to work with the profoundly retarded on retarded things
mats: he didn't want to live badly enough, then.
asciilifeform: and did not care for the blunt knives mandatorily issued to tards
asciilifeform: mats: that herr naggum 'did not want to live' is profoundly obvious from the manner in which he died
asciilifeform: the basic question from the thread was, i think, the ~why~ of why he did not want.
mats: man had some profound sense that he was not a slave like the rest of us
mats: could not bear it. died.
assbot: Erik Naggum on Atlas Shrugged - Kent Pitman - Open Salon ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rpr5EE )
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asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3103356827666810@naggum.no.html << re: the particular kind of intellectual rape that naggum had his fill of, before deciding that he'd like to put an ocean between himself and 'silicon valley'
assbot: Re: is CLOS reall OO? - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8Sifb )
asciilifeform: i can already picture mircea_popescu's 'recipe': 'naggum should've moved to argentina' 'me: with what' 'mircea: with shirt on his back' 'me: doing what' 'mircea: sharpening knives while living in dumpster' 'me: betcha he knew this, and didn't care for it'
asciilifeform: just as i don't care for it.
asciilifeform: or i'd be in that dumpster even now
mats: on the other hand, i'm mentally preparing myself for a dive into the dumpster in a few short years
asciilifeform: (saw not a few pretty eligible dumpsters in buenos aires)
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you as a hobo?!? this i could never picture.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: to paraphrase herr trotsky on war, 'you may not be interested in life as a hobo, but life as a hobo is interested in you'
thestringpuller: hobo is a phenomenon of the city imo. if forced to be homeless I'd rather be homeless in a jungle or some deserted island and learn to survive there rather than in a city.
asciilifeform: jungle, islands are waiting for thestringpuller.
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williamdunne: Lol rekt
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williamdunne: Do we have a whaleclub here?
williamdunne: WhaleClub PM me
mats: ?
williamdunne: Someone else trying to join #b-a, me and DPB were walking them through it
williamdunne: !up Drhelmut
williamdunne: Hello Drhelmut
williamdunne: !getrating Drhelmut
williamdunne: !gettrust Drhelmut
assbot: Trust relationship from user williamdunne to user Drhelmut: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=williamdunne&to=Drhelmut | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Drhelmut/
williamdunne: !rate Drhelmut 1 WhaleClub TS
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/f0f06aaa1fff124d
williamdunne: !v assbot:williamdunne.rate.Drhelmut.1:7824382e16d8b0c5914689b09080ccfaf283ee00501b1b159679e7f76bdf2979
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for Drhelmut with note: WhaleClub TS
Drhelmut: Hellow
Drhelmut: Thank you William.
williamdunne: V.welcome, so outside of TS what are you?
Drhelmut: a french bitcoiner
Drhelmut: former minecraft server owner, sold months ago and going to do bitcoin services in france
Drhelmut: I made some studies in law too
mats: lopl teamspeak
mats: what do you talk about
mats: what sorts of things are discussed in this 'whaleclub ts' thing
Drhelmut: lots of
Drhelmut: basically trading
Drhelmut: and lots of stuff around bitcoin
ben_vulpes: whaleclub?
mats: ok
ben_vulpes: bunch of half-int btc holders talking about making markets?
Drhelmut: I'm the host of the whaleclub teamspeak
mats: to be more generous, probably a buncha poor people following TAT around
Drhelmut: lol, have you already been there?
mats: i have not read good things about it from asseteers
Drhelmut: how surprisin'
mats: didn't intend to be rude, carry on
Drhelmut: well, in fact I don't care that much
Drhelmut: all exchanges are taking it seriously
Drhelmut: we already got lot of important people on it
Drhelmut: lot of people just hating the name, not the place
chetty: teamspeak? eew why would one want to have people talking at you all the time?
williamdunne: For what its worth, I enjoyed the teamspeak
ben_vulpes: important people, eh? like whom?
ben_vulpes: williamdunne: dat mpcdot
Drhelmut: Shrem, Jessy from kraken
Drhelmut: nejc from stamp
williamdunne: ben_vulpes: the mpcdot is hilarious
chetty: sure sounds like it would annoying, and no way to go read logs at your leisure
Drhelmut: we're just offering the place for people to discuss
ben_vulpes: the guy who rolled over for the feds and the feds pet exchangemaker they couldn't even pay?
Drhelmut: it's public eh
ben_vulpes: moreover, how do i know it's actually either of the entities in question and not impersonators?
Drhelmut: we don't need it
Drhelmut: If you just don't believe it, don't come, we don't need it.
ben_vulpes: i live and die by asynchronous comms, so i'll not be there.
ben_vulpes: the wot lives and dies by identity, so you'll not have one of those either.
Drhelmut: we have our own verifiying system
ben_vulpes: go on...
Drhelmut: but that's a good idea, I'll try to see if we can link Wot with TS
ben_vulpes: is it...8 characters of mixed casing?
assbot: BTCVIX VIX - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1J01u3e )
Drhelmut: Vix is an admin
Drhelmut: Just remind, we have nothing to sell so why lying about that?
Drhelmut: I don't get it.
ben_vulpes: your english is a bit lacking.
Drhelmut: I know
Drhelmut: sorry for that
ben_vulpes: you seem to be attempting to purchase some attention. nobody here is selling.
Drhelmut: I'm not purchasing anything, I just answer to your doubts and questions
ben_vulpes: what does herr kraken think about the blocksize change?
williamdunne: ben_vulpes: Its more of a friendly place to discuss trading, as opposed to a place for actual business to occur
williamdunne: Not that there is anything wrong with either model, its just what they are
Naphex: Drhelmut: do you have ads on whaleclub ?;]
williamdunne: Outside of it being a good place to speak to potential customers if you're an exchange
williamdunne: Not that you're charged for that
ben_vulpes: man if as an exchange operator you're actually enticing customers one-by-one...
williamdunne: Teamspeak isn't for one-on-one communication and some of the traders there are high volume
williamdunne: Its more of a shotgun type thing
williamdunne: !up Drhelmut
Drhelmut: and you don't need to be voiced each 30 min :D
Drhelmut: that's borring from here
fluffypony: the real downside to this Teamspeak stuff is the inability to search historical data
punkman: "discuss trading" << I don't get why this would be desirable, beyond telling each other "o hey buttstamp book crossed again"
fluffypony: Drhelmut: I don't have to be voiced every 30 minutes
Drhelmut: yeah but as a newcomer I have to.
williamdunne: Drhelmut: You only need to be voiced every 30 minutes if you're not in Assbot's L"
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172185 < lol yeah they are about the same... btw charlie has net in jail??
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 16:03:35; Drhelmut: Shrem, Jessy from kraken
williamdunne: !gettrust assbot williamdunne
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user williamdunne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=williamdunne | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/williamdunne/
Drhelmut: shrem was here before going to jail
kakobrekla: soliciting for a biz that went to shit a week later
Drhelmut: was just chillin'
Naphex: Still looking to place ad spots for xotika.tv , if you're intersted privmsg
kakobrekla: bitbet has infinite amount of banner slots!
assbot: 21 Inc Embedded Engineer On Whaleclub Teamspeak by elux | Free Listening on SoundCloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1J03IzD )
Drhelmut: was on the reddit hotpage when it was out
williamdunne: Naphex: Bulk cheap advertising on porn-tube sites?
williamdunne: Eugh, guess bitcoin might be too much of a niche
Naphex: not yet, more like bitcoin targeted
williamdunne: Yeah I guess
williamdunne: What are your fees to the models?
williamdunne: Well, commission I guess is more accurate
kakobrekla: plan on gettin nekkid?
williamdunne: But why male models?
kakobrekla: whale models?
williamdunne is not actually overweight
kakobrekla: as the ts guise
williamdunne: For the right price, yeah I'd get nekkid on camera
williamdunne: Everyone has their price
williamdunne: Drhelmut: Naphex launched a live cam porn site Xotika.tv, hence our discussion
Drhelmut: uh. cool.
kakobrekla: Drhelmut williamdunne is looking for a new job
Naphex: :))
Drhelmut: Whaleclub isn't bad m'kay
kakobrekla: im sure its amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
williamdunne: Ah, doesn't work
kakobrekla: what are you trying to do?
assbot: Before paying with bitcoins… | OnGuard Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1LpBOjH )
williamdunne: I was seeing if assbot would then grab the title for facebook.com
williamdunne: If it did you could create a loop
assbot: im silly, but not that silly.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88680 @ 0.00042064 = 37.3024 BTC [+] {4}
williamdunne: That MPEX price
williamdunne: What happened while I was away?!
punkman: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 246.25, Best ask: 246.36, Bid-ask spread: 0.11000, Last trade: 246.3, 24 hour volume: 19300.03816571, 24 hour low: 241.09, 24 hour high: 247.94, 24 hour vwap: None
ben_vulpes: !up JorgePasada
ben_vulpes: hey buddy
JorgePasada: Hey man, how goes?
ben_vulpes: it's live
ben_vulpes: life*&
ben_vulpes: arbeit macht frei
jurov: how i misread the log: <BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: Individual enclosures, one time setup fee with cadavers adapting the machine to its new cooling and power situation
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35088 @ 0.00040589 = 14.2419 BTC [-]
assbot: HomePage ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9f1rG )
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: punkman: cray-I and many other machines of the period were built in precisely that way.
ascii_field: williamdunne: rss plz ?
williamdunne: ascii_field: Sorry, still not home. Keeps getting delayed. Probably won't be back until Wednesday D:
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 16:06:22; ben_vulpes: the wot lives and dies by identity, so you'll not have one of those either.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 16:06:39; Drhelmut: we have our own verifiying system
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171883 < that's microsoft's fud and it never actually took place
punkman: ascii_field: what kind of machine is he operating
ascii_field: possibly a slot bandit
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170728 << i have found out that most implementations just send localhost or 0.0.0.0 and it's widely accepted
assbot: Logged on 21-06-2015 03:27:06; mod6: who knows why satoshi put that in there. i kinda find it hard to believe that he wouldn't have understood IP headers. perhaps he was trying to ensure that every connecting node was indeed a real host, not some spoofed packet magic.
ben_vulpes: shitting in the corner?
ben_vulpes: jurov: so nodes on the other end of the connection don't actually use the IP sent in the message protocol?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88250 @ 0.00038591 = 34.0566 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: !up Drhelmut
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 16:06:39; Drhelmut: we have our own verifiying system
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32150 @ 0.00037965 = 12.2057 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 16:21:19; assbot: 21 Inc Embedded Engineer On Whaleclub Teamspeak by elux | Free Listening on SoundCloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1J03IzD )
punkman: writing, ain't nobody got time for that
kakobrekla: or reading
trinque: thought whaleclub might be fatties
trinque: my mistake
jurov: ben_vulpes they may use getpeerinfo(sock) instead
jurov: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/protocol.cpp#0203 << looks like it's checked against this and used if passes, otherwise ignored
assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/protocol.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0iypC )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35278 @ 0.00037954 = 13.3894 BTC [-]
williamdunne: kakobrekla: It's a very informal system they have
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34933 @ 0.00037938 = 13.2529 BTC [-] {2}
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172311 << depends what you mean by 'accepted.' it, as i understand, breaks seeding.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 17:16:14; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170728 << i have found out that most implementations just send localhost or 0.0.0.0 and it's widely accepted
ascii_field: (as in, you get to keep your connection, sure, but you don't get advertised as a seed)
jurov: guess they don't care about that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45400 @ 0.000412 = 18.7048 BTC [+] {2}
ascii_field: in other news, re: old thread ( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162224 ) i found an eeprom burner with acceptable (reverse-engineered) linux support: 'minipro' by autoelectric corp. (cn)
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 19:47:39; ascii_field: in unrelated observation, there exists (nor, afaik has ever existed) an eeprom burner with true linux support.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5845 @ 0.00042028 = 2.4565 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67644 @ 0.00042028 = 28.4294 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 09:30:38; cazalla: meh i won't begrudge her for 10m views, prob far more than some mainstream pros get these days
mircea_popescu: mostly on account of their "pros" consisting of NOT being sexually enthusiastic, and imagining that they can substitute self importance for it.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: in other 'news', it's been what, ~7 years, and libpng thing is ~still~ biting
ascii_field: ~someone~ was responsible for that.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 10:57:50; shinohai: With Bonus Pearl Necklace: https://i.imgur.com/aUKpuPu.jpg
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 13:54:22; asciilifeform: this worked earlier
mircea_popescu: they seem utterly dead.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 13:55:47; asciilifeform: anyone notice if gavingang sent out 'alerts' recently ?
mircea_popescu: 2) optionally, irc box << i don't see that we need it. irc is dead, it was stupid to begin with, time to put it to sleep.
ascii_field: it was begging for bullet for years
mircea_popescu: (peer over irc acquisition never worked worth a shit - the reason it was moved off freenode for instance is that it needed a special ircd to have even a vague chance)
ascii_field: what's special in that one
mircea_popescu: but i am very much perturbed by your proposition that it worked until recently. to what degree worked ?
ascii_field: i'm not seeing any oddities
mircea_popescu: can you say, count all the peers you ever got off irc ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i got peers from it
ascii_field: ever since i've snipped out the gavindns seeds & the hardcoded seeds from my own tree
mircea_popescu: did you actually do a full sync that was throughout dependent on irc as sole primary peer source ?
ascii_field: one full sync and several partial (into the high 200k's)
mircea_popescu: ascii_field iirc the problem was something about how /who flooded the client. so they made a limit so it only shows 100 entries
ascii_field: (terminated through no fault of their own, simply because wanted to start from scratch when testing patches)
mircea_popescu: but then botched it and it always showed the same 100
mircea_popescu: which then flooded the clients in question so they stopped working
ascii_field: this almost certainly stopped being a problem ages ago
ascii_field: as the thing (mostly) died
mircea_popescu: still, special.
ascii_field: so irc on butcher block?
mircea_popescu: can you discern from whence you sit if the following is a possible explanation : you got now and again (rarely) a peer, which gave you its lists of peers, which is how you actually synced.
mircea_popescu: irc on butcher block.
ascii_field: well of course that's how i synced
ascii_field whets knife
mircea_popescu: so maybe the "doesn't work" vs "worked 3 days ago" is simply that you ran yours for a day and ben_vulpes ran his for fifteen minutes.
ascii_field: quite possibly.
ascii_field: i will remind readers that 'irc on butcher block' means a 100% reliance on seeds we enter in config. and also on specifying node's external ipv4.
ascii_field: which is, i suppose, as it should be. but means that: we need seeds.
mircea_popescu: i will provide no less than three, on physically separate machines, provided this can actually be made to work. which depends on excellent documentation.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: do you presently have a system where the thing builds ?
mircea_popescu: i've not presently seen a package.
mircea_popescu: the targed is something like what was done for eulora.
assbot: Installing Eulora - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1LwJBct )
mircea_popescu: but! if you're willing to go into the grease, s.nsa server can be the first of those three.
ascii_field: probably ought to be.
mircea_popescu: well if you get it to run, identical instances can be spun up, so. there is that.
ascii_field: will build it there as soon as the last round of amputation, referenced earlier, is complete
ascii_field: and the result posted to ml
mircea_popescu: alrightythen
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assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 14:05:29; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171972 << i find it smashingly hilarious that everyone today seems to still be buying that particular bit of wartime engineered psychosis. the 'fighting without pants, one rifle for three men' thing 100% lines up with the '41-'42 period when su was having the shit kicked out of it.
mircea_popescu: yes, by 44 they were doing okay, as far as everyone in europe was doing ok after five years of war.
mircea_popescu: and yes by 1955ish they were almost on par with the post-war us, on accounts of not being saddled with the baby bloomers.
mircea_popescu: but a) it all lasted as long as the sputnik and b) i forget what i wanted to be b.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172095 << was he ever part of a "criminal gang" running guns in ehtiopia ? ever a terrorist in kabul ?
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 14:10:38; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171994 << but how, precisely, was herr naggum to get out of it? recall, he did not spend whole life in one country - was in usa for most of the upper '90s
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172097 << on this matter there can scarcely be any debate.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 14:11:04; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171997 << it is my considered view that naggum got out of the game the only way he knew how...
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: he was not ever, afaik, a puffer fish, either
mircea_popescu: to his detriment.
ascii_field applies for puffer fish detail
mircea_popescu: specialisation is not the unilaterally superlative good it is presented as.
mircea_popescu: specialisation is, much akin to geting used to narrow spaces, a necessary evil.
mircea_popescu: not more necessary than the goods it actually provides are.
ascii_field: no shit
mircea_popescu: in current environs, not necessary at all.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172103 << ehehe. eternal mechanism. "here, have a lot of money, think it's yours so you offload your mental balance, but let it be still ours so we offload ours!"
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 14:12:53; asciilifeform: because why should some schmuck get to keep his pile ?
mircea_popescu: bezzle at the core.
mircea_popescu: adults do this sometimes with children, pretend-give them things to motivate them "for their own good".
ascii_field: and on top of this, my understanding is that herr naggum was considerably 'more pashtun' than i
mircea_popescu: doubt the comparison "more pashtun than x" can be declared in scopes where nobody's killed anyone for honor.,
ascii_field: sure it can
mircea_popescu: in any case the actual pashtuns might be nonplussed by the proposition.
ascii_field: doubtless
ascii_field: meant shorthand as 'less of a doomed child of specialization and overcivilization in general'
mircea_popescu: is he more convergent than you, also ? can you apply CBS to your own monotony "to some degree" ?
mircea_popescu: im not sure that less exists.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to formalize a positive form for this, not merely the negative :
mircea_popescu: i propose to you that a team of two people selected from five that are only informed in general computer sanity can produce in the same time better software than the sum of all five, each schooled in one specialisation : sysadmin, webdev, db management, ux and marketing.
mircea_popescu: yes, this means that three people out of five would starve. guess what ? four of five starve now.
ascii_field: then i ask mircea_popescu, as best proof of this conjecture, to supply two people who know arse from elbow re: therealbitcoin from this pool
mircea_popescu: nonspecialisation would be strictly a better outcome. the only problem with it is that it relies on falsifying the "we are all human" dogma.
mircea_popescu: clearly only two out of the five are human.
mircea_popescu: no, the two would pointedly NOT know it.
ascii_field: not specifically
ascii_field: but, say, able to tell arse from elbow after, say, a month or two
mircea_popescu: eh get out. mod6 and jurov. what now ?
mircea_popescu: and i can keep picking pairs.
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ascii_field: and these are supposed to be folks with 'only general sense of sanity' ?
ascii_field: iirc both have programmed for money their whole lives
mircea_popescu: i dunno... iirc mod6 couldn't get the laptop to open last i saw him :D
mircea_popescu: something about the lock not being bsd or what was it
ascii_field: likewise, when mircea_popescu has occasion to visit a doctor, does he visit an 'obsolete' specialist, or just some fella who had a 'general sense of sanity' and decided, on a weekend lark, to open an anatomy book for an hour or two ?
mircea_popescu: last time i visited a doctor, it was doctor levy
mircea_popescu: i was about six, and my parents somehow had found an old jew - complete with chained pocketwatch - to be my personal physician
mircea_popescu: he was very much what i describe (not really what you charicaturize, obviously)
ascii_field: lucky then, that mircea_popescu did not need a doctor.
mircea_popescu: lucky indeed.
mircea_popescu: but i have some, however marginal, hope - that by the time i actually do, one might actually exist.
mircea_popescu: for otherwise, as the romanian expression goes, "nu ma prea vad in clar"
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ascii_field: mircea_popescu might be a fan of the famous heinlein quote re: specialization ?
assbot: Specialization Is For Insects ... ( http://bit.ly/1LwOVN0 )
thestringpuller: was thinking about you in traffic this morning ascii_field
thestringpuller: thought to myself, "ascii has to deal with this shit for 4 hours a day. no use in my gettin' upset"
ascii_field: thestringpuller: closer to 2 on avg.
thestringpuller: that's my mentors favorite quote btw ascii_field
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i dunno about insects, but it is certainly a cheap if ineffectual way to assuage one's feelings of inadequacy.
mircea_popescu: then you get jwz's all over.
mircea_popescu: they're all specialists, and all in something else.
mircea_popescu: consequently nobody's responsible for anything and whatever.
ascii_field: can we distinguish shit from shinola, even if only to the extend of admitting the existence of shinola ?
ascii_field: jwz != perelman
mircea_popescu: but to their wives, they're interchangeable.
mircea_popescu: hence - divorce.
ascii_field doesn't recall perelman so much as threatening to have a wife
mircea_popescu: to their waiter - which they don't have - to their doctor - which idem - to their life, whatever it means, they're interchangeable.
ascii_field: i must confess that ^ makes literally no sense to me
ascii_field: why would they be interchangeable to their wives (supposing each had a wife) ?
mircea_popescu: ok. lety's walk through the path.
mircea_popescu: guy is 3. he is easily the equal of anything life throws his way. master of his destiny, the three year old roars.
mircea_popescu: a decade passes, and the thirteen year old is confronted with the sad circumstance that hanna likes basketball players and rachel likes football players, and to become either you gotta talk to the respective coach, and the coach says you gotta spend all your time practicing. well... he can't readily spend all his time twice over.
thestringpuller: what about guy who is on all the teams?
mircea_popescu: at which point, guy specializes, and takes rachel. another guy, coming later, takes hanna. for less effort, but lesser pickings. and so with everyone.
thestringpuller: guy who has letter jacket from baseball, basketball and football.
thestringpuller: couldn't he date hanna and rachel at same time?
mircea_popescu: then a kid from australia comes by, wants to play tennis, and well... none of the boys can play. because... mind you... not their speciality.
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mircea_popescu: given the lure of exotism, the only stable result here is where australia is a terrorist regime and all the guys sit around discussing immigration reform.
mircea_popescu: you ever seen birthday girl ascii_field ?
ascii_field: what was it
mircea_popescu: an excelent film, see it sometime. the plot is that a russian whore (which just means woman in her 20s) sells herself off to an english eunuch
mircea_popescu: (which just means man in his 20s)
mircea_popescu: she, of course, has a boy back home. and that boy... comes to check her out.
mircea_popescu: the way this movie is generally perceived is "oh, russian mob and mail order bride scam". nothing of the kind. the russian boy is pretty much playing it by the ear,
mircea_popescu: and there's a most endeering scheme where he and the current guy his girl is ... with, let's say, walk in the woods.
mircea_popescu: and the russian tries to talk to the brit. plainly, man to man. it involves some kickjumps in the vegetation. the other backs off like a cat from a calendar.
mircea_popescu: it all goes to shit, but ~after~ that.
mircea_popescu: why exactly can't a random english kid talk the basic language of the other ?
ascii_field: because orc ?
mircea_popescu: what is this orc.
ascii_field: is this yet another 'humans good, orcs bad' yarn
mircea_popescu: yes, each thinks the other an orc.
ascii_field: because those are a snore
mircea_popescu: i just liked that scene. also nicole kidman.
mircea_popescu: it demands an explanation. WHY is it that the brit can't talk to the other ? he DID actually come in peace.
mircea_popescu: up until that point, the big reveal (for him), where he discovers that his inferiority complex to "civilisation" is unfounded.
mircea_popescu: you recall the amply discussed "soviet realisation". the funny thing is, those people's sons had... a very similar realisation.
mircea_popescu: except this time, re the west.
mircea_popescu: just how fucking hard is it to speak another's language ?
ascii_field: today you will find open discussion among thinking ru sphere folks, that 'islamic picture of western civ is essentially correct'
mircea_popescu: im not talking, previously, against specialisation in the anti intellectual, acultural manner you seem to have taken in.
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mircea_popescu: i merely speak of this : that when baker tells you a joke about yeast, you'd better fucking get it and laugh.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: i have no doubt it is essentially correct, which is why i speak for isis more than i speak for the usg.
mircea_popescu: if it was backwards i'd speak backwards.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> something about the lock not being bsd or what was it << lol :D
ascii_field re: yeast laugh: graps that mircea_popescu is speaking the basic frustration of every polymath on planet 3 when confronting numbskulls
mircea_popescu: how much fucking polymacy does it take to get a fucking joke!
mircea_popescu: "oh no, we could never do that, WE'RE SPECIALIZED!!1"
mircea_popescu: fuck you then.
ascii_field: the basic minimal quota adult male circa, say, 1930, shipped from the factory with
mircea_popescu: i guess.
ascii_field: ~that~ kind of 'specialized' can go straight to the biodiesel pot, yes
ascii_field: it is, at least partly, why i left academia
ascii_field: i.e. having to be in the same elevator as those people.
mircea_popescu: i can see it.
mircea_popescu was blessed with an early life in a land with no elevators
mircea_popescu: thinkaboutit.jpg
williamdunne: The women in Romania were beautiful, but I think Czech Republic had it beat out
chetty: large buildings (with elevators) look remarkably like beehives
mircea_popescu: williamdunne generally agreed upon fact.
williamdunne: Jesus Christ though, when I met the person at the bank I'd been working with for the past few months though..
williamdunne: Holy shit
williamdunne: Just wow
mircea_popescu: chetty oh, and no "access control" either. as late as 1988 you cvould just fucking WALK INTO the super-secret-only-not-military-because-the-smart-kids-hated-corporals itci
mircea_popescu: ie, the place working to make missile controls and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne nailedher ?
williamdunne: Christ I wish
mircea_popescu: nuts. what do you wish ?
williamdunne: I'm too babyfaced to do any damage
mircea_popescu: didja ask her ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: we had elevators. which didn't work. fun on 15th floor
mircea_popescu: ascii_field see this is it, 4 floors everywhere.
williamdunne: "Hey, once we've got this account opened, could I bend you over your desk and fuck you in front of your colleague?"
mircea_popescu: made the butts better at any rate.
trinque: williamdunne: there may be better strategies
trinque: lol
mircea_popescu: williamdunne if you're that kind, which i hadn't judged you for. else, "wanna go for a bite after work ?"
williamdunne: Yeah not that kind
williamdunne: Maybe I should have tried, sure I'll be there again soonish though
williamdunne: Still, being a babyfaced 18 year old isn't a good starting point
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chetty: never know if you dont try, really nothing to lose
mircea_popescu: ascii_field but to round it off : i am unimpressed with that utter fear of all usian pencildicks, "omg prison". seriously, lifetime pension ? tyvm. i am also unimpressed with the "difficulties" of "orcs" aka niggers in the us. i have never had a problem making sense of them or the reverse. and THIS is why i say the flight to suburbus is a purely sexual problem.
mircea_popescu: there is a deep link between sex and communication, not least of all because sex is the communication of biological material.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne wouldja stop trying to make her decisions for her ?
mircea_popescu: not your fucking job. specialize already.
williamdunne: Get your point
mircea_popescu: "we reject gender specialisation, which is not something anyone asked us about - to focus on professional specialization, which is both impossible and counterproductive"
trinque: williamdunne: I recall working IT at a hotel in FL when I was 19
trinque: I'm sure I was "babyfaced"
mircea_popescu: is this slang for pimplefaced or something ?
ascii_field: so when will mircea_popescu be getting on the u.s. prison plane ?
trinque: chick who was my boss seemed overly friendly, went ahead and chatted her up one day after work
trinque: fucked her for a couple months thereafter
ascii_field: there is probably a nice lifetime pension reserved for him here
trinque: learned a lot :D
funkenstein_: the orcs are the pigs, the stormtroopers. right right?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field well i plan to shoot a few schmucks first. so just as soon as they can line up enough schmucks willing to be shot.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: It means young looking
mircea_popescu: that's a drawback ?!
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Young as in 15
williamdunne: Not young as if in pre-30s
chetty: jailbait
mircea_popescu: i still dun see it.
williamdunne: Pretty much
mircea_popescu: williamdunne they dont have sex jail in the czech republic.
williamdunne: This was in Bucharest, but yeah
williamdunne: I more meant it as a negative in terms of attraction
williamdunne: (Example babyfaced mugshot)
mircea_popescu: lol got your own ?
williamdunne: Aha, nope, thats not me
mircea_popescu: anyway, eastern europe bank strategy has been to hire supermodels because a) they're stupid b) they're cheap and c) the stupid and cheap peasants that are their parents still own their own real estate and the best way to get them to lose it to austrian banks is by hiring thei better looking daughters. which they don't fuck because weirdos, but merely drool over..
mircea_popescu: the same womenz exist in london, you don't see them in retail bank branches because nobody gives a shit about the english peasant.
williamdunne: Well, I wouldn't call her stupid. She's been rather useful
williamdunne: but yeah
mircea_popescu: i'm sure she's a specialist.
williamdunne: This is what a drunken Wil looks like; http://i.imgur.com/3fI48sM.jpg
williamdunne: 3rd from left
mircea_popescu: may i inquire why are you holding the OTHER DUDE ?
trinque: bahaha
cazalla: they're mates!
mircea_popescu: right, but there's a time for that.
williamdunne is no longer allowed friends
williamdunne: I did try it on with the girls in my defence
williamdunne: They weren't having any of it
mircea_popescu: srsly ? they look kinda ready to go.
mircea_popescu: but what's in a photo.
williamdunne: Either they didn't like me, or a heavily intoxicated Wil isn't good at reading signs
cazalla: you look pretty tanked and ignore these autists who think putting ya arm around ya mate is weird :P
mircea_popescu: cazalla goes to the brothel holding hands.
williamdunne: Prague was pretty much me being tanked the entire time
williamdunne: I discovered that gay people like me very much, which I guess is a slight ego boost even if very useless to me
mircea_popescu: i dunno about 15, but you could pass for a twink.
williamdunne: Hmmm the only twink I know of is WoW terminology
williamdunne: !ud twink
williamdunne: ;;ud twink
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=twink | The stereotypical twink is 18-22, slender with little or no body hair, often blonde, dresses in club wear even at 10:00 AM, and is not particularly intelligent. A twink  ...
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172114 << you know my discussion of his obit still draws angry mail ?
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 14:17:22; asciilifeform: mats: that herr naggum 'did not want to live' is profoundly obvious from the manner in which he died
williamdunne: Ahahaha
williamdunne: Well, yeah I qualify for the t.w part
mircea_popescu: williamdunne a twink is how you say ephebos these days. intelligence got nothing to do with it, just the internet derp seems to insist that anyone sensual is necessarily dumb fior this reason.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: l0l! angry mail?
mircea_popescu: "how could i say such things!"
mircea_popescu: well it irritatyes not merely the feminist worldview, but also the collectivist worldview,
mircea_popescu: "i will see the world is more important than people!111!11"
ascii_field: ah that
ascii_field: unsurprised
ascii_field: the usual suspects will piss & moan, yes
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172123 << you will notice this is entirely projected.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 14:33:29; asciilifeform: i can already picture mircea_popescu's 'recipe': 'naggum should've moved to argentina' 'me: with what' 'mircea: with shirt on his back' 'me: doing what' 'mircea: sharpening knives while living in dumpster' 'me: betcha he knew this, and didn't care for it'
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172071 <<< i got one on the 19th.. i get them every 2-3 weeks and can no longer sync after that so i have to restore from backup
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 13:55:47; asciilifeform: anyone notice if gavingang sent out 'alerts' recently ?
mircea_popescu: !s should from:mircea
assbot: 2333 results for 'should from:mircea' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=should+from%3Amircea
williamdunne: !s .gif from:mircea
assbot: 186 results for '.gif from:mircea' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=.gif+from%3Amircea
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the conjecture was based on an old thread re: naggum
ascii_field: where you did say 'why wasn't he on the next boat to ar'
mircea_popescu: yes but it carries more of the conjecturer than of the subject.
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2014 16:28:55; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's he to do in argentina? teach the pampas cats and ocelots common lisp ?
trinque: people do it
trinque: my ancestors left being rather well off in Italy
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the point was that location's irrelevant, there. which it is, or do you dispute ?
mircea_popescu: yes, i get it, you have heavy physical equipment. he was a software man.
ascii_field: it is absolutely relevant unless you are mircea_popescu, flyer of atomic dirigible
ascii_field: and it isn't about the equipment. i'd burn it all if meatwot were portable
ascii_field: naggum certainly did not stay in shitland on account of equipment.
mircea_popescu: more on account of not asking the bank clerk about fucking her over her desk ?
ascii_field: but, as i surmise, on account of 'rather die than compete with 16 year-olds on their home turf'
trinque: even that makes very little sense, as though death holds some better alternative
ascii_field: trinque fails pashtun exam
mircea_popescu: competing with 16yos is how you end up fucking 16yos.
funkenstein_: i guess that meatwot wasn't worth sticking around for either. sometimes it isn't.
ascii_field: the 'death before dishonour' part
trinque: haha
trinque: indeed I do
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ interesting how contradictory the proposition is huh
mircea_popescu: "he couldn't leave because he couldn't leave things he couldn't leave and then he left them"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: competing with 16yos is how you end up fucking 16yos << hence why i said 'home turf'
williamdunne: Bug in orderbook?
assbot: X.EUR last 25@0.00460722 ... ( http://bit.ly/1LwXes7 )
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: advantage as in, where they have whatever advantage (such as being amorphous turds that can be molded to fit what world wants)
mircea_popescu: no dude. the species is coded so that women are sluts. which is to say, they fuck the novel.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne what's the bug ?
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Bid/Ask of same value and with positive quantity
mike_c: screenshot? I don't see that.
mircea_popescu: 32 vs 22 ?
mike_c: only bug I see is euros are way overpriced.
mircea_popescu: (such as being amorphous turds that can be molded to fit what world wants) << this is not what you make it out to be.
mircea_popescu: well, that's what i see too
williamdunne: I'm seeing bids and asks at 0.00460732
williamdunne: They should match, no?
mircea_popescu: 0.00460732130 | 600.00460722
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.00460732 - 0.00460722
gribble: 9.99999999994e-08
williamdunne: I missed the 3/2
mircea_popescu: <gribble> 9.99999999994e-08 << that is an... interesting result.
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ascii_field: ^ 'what is the difference between windows 3.1 and windows 3.0?' '0, according to ms calc'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172132 >> this fails to expl;ain why hobos go to town rather than diffuse in the fields.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 14:42:57; thestringpuller: hobo is a phenomenon of the city imo. if forced to be homeless I'd rather be homeless in a jungle or some deserted island and learn to survive there rather than in a city.
williamdunne: On an unrelated note, I like Tim Parsa of BitReserve
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 15:46:33; williamdunne: !rate Drhelmut 1 WhaleClub TS
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Some teamspeak thing for price speculators
mircea_popescu: a nm is in the log
mircea_popescu: mike_c yo mikey! you missed the event!
mike_c: father's day, spent it by the pool
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 15:54:55; ben_vulpes: bunch of half-int btc holders talking about making markets?
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 15:55:36; mats: to be more generous, probably a buncha poor people following TAT around
mircea_popescu: mike_c oh, is that where the whole family gathers around to do osanali and genereally worship you ?
mike_c: yes, except my father was there too, so he got some worship as well.
mike_c: and i don't know what osanali is
mircea_popescu: turkish word. this specific calisthenic routine, person kneels then raises hands and then puts them on teh ground.
mircea_popescu: supposed to show great respek.
mircea_popescu: !rate Drhelmut 1 Runs some sort of teamspeak server.
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mike_c: ah, yes, well that happenned.
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.Drhelmut.1:6d6dc0f4b800d51f6f275f4a001247e02f9e809fbfc19fcc7bc78cceb76dff3a
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mircea_popescu: osanali^ is the plural, and it'd need a thing on the i. otherwise osana, singular.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172181 << i suspect it works as a "strengthening weakness". which is to say, because it's so easily to be annoying, encourages people to not be annoying. sort of canary in the mine if you will.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 16:02:31; chetty: teamspeak? eew why would one want to have people talking at you all the time?
mircea_popescu: groups benefit from a certain knowledge that a mechanism for disproportionate reaction exists (as discussed in that old arta pedepsirii article). this arrangement simply makes it exist without anyone actuall being personally involved, which is just what you'd expect these days.
mircea_popescu: in other news, that dude i tried to hire to do bitbet advertising absconded with the budget did he.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen isaackl
gribble: isaackl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, 29 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <isaackl> For BitBet, SEO or finding sites with underutilised ad space (as with 8chan) is probably the way to go? Both take time though. I can send your btc back if you want as tbh I have little expertise in that world. Also let me know if you think my reasoning is flawed.
trinque: "if you want" lol
mircea_popescu: !rated isaackl
assbot: You have not rated isaackl.
mircea_popescu: !rate isaackl -1 was supposed to work for bitbet, see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1140179 disappeared.
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assbot: Logged on 20-05-2015 10:08:38; mircea_popescu: i prefer to not communicate lol. do your job, report the methodology and results once you're done. you got a blog ?
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.isaackl.-1:72d3d56f7ac65a6e331b6b725cce0e408b21cf3a566d2340ca65326776f66734
assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for isaackl with note: was supposed to work for bitbet, see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1140179 disappeared.
williamdunne: Seems like it would justify more than a -1
mircea_popescu: !up ksipax
shinohai: That was lame
mircea_popescu: williamdunne dja know how i score these ?
williamdunne: Honestly, no
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Drhelmut: Yeeah
Drhelmut: I did it
Drhelmut: thx for rating mircea
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 16:32:46; assbot: im silly, but not that silly.
Drhelmut: god Wot is not user friendly at all
mircea_popescu: no, it isn't.
mircea_popescu: but, unlike other places that are not user friendly, like the us or the uk, at least it doesn't employ armed men to shoot you for trying to get in.
mircea_popescu: or was it for trying to get out ? i always get my empires mixed up.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172300 << at least get us nudies of the czech hotties then.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 17:04:08; williamdunne: ascii_field: Sorry, still not home. Keeps getting delayed. Probably won't be back until Wednesday D:
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Aha
williamdunne: In the UK
williamdunne: Just not at home
mircea_popescu: ah which reminds me. ascii_field you ever seen pulp fiction ?
mircea_popescu: it's a good movie.
mircea_popescu: julius an' vincent have a number of intelligent, culturally relevant discussions. whych is why qt is such an intellectual titan.
ascii_field already had it on list, solely on account of who did it, but hasn't yet seen
mircea_popescu: among them, one you'll find familiar.
williamdunne: Watch it
mircea_popescu: While You Drive
williamdunne: Fuck it, imma rewatch it
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assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 17:10:13; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171883 < that's microsoft's fud and it never actually took place
mike_c: kakobrekla: lol :D that's a good one
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assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 17:19:06; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172198 < wait how does this actually work?
assbot: ‘Pulp Fiction’ Star Keitel Sues E*Trade Over Ad Campaign - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lx4l3U )
mircea_popescu: "C++ is philosophically and cognitively unsound as it forces a violation of all known epistemological processes on the programmer. as a language, it requires you to specify in great detail what you do not know in order to obtain the experience necessary to learn it. "
mircea_popescu: you know there's actually a strong possibility this assertion is correct. from my experience discussing programming with girls that don't program, it often comes to some derivative of exactly this.
mircea_popescu: either "how do you know that", "how was i supposed to know that" or the more broad "this shit is just fucking stupid already"
williamdunne: On a side note something I found to be interesting; whenever it came up that I preferred the traditional model of a wife being submissive to her husband who goes to work while she performs domestic duties, it was made out that I am a neo-nazi by people my own age
mats: thats not egalitarian, man
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i had almost 100% same convo with a maths type who hated programming
ascii_field: for the same reason naggum gav
mircea_popescu: i think it's the deep reason for haskell
ascii_field: 'requires me to name shit that doesn't deserve a name and wtf'
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Well, I didn't realize quite how deep SJW'ism was engraved into the souls of them
mircea_popescu: but for what it's worth, i don't believe C actually does this. i believe it is merely perceived to do so.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: c - no
williamdunne: I never even said anything particularly controversial in my opinion; only that I would prefer a wife who didn't work over one that did
ascii_field: cpp, and other idiocies that force-rape the programmer with 'classes' etc - do.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne why would you prefer a wife that didn't work, and if you do, how do you know you're not actually looking for a mistress ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field even cpp. let's model this on the act of telling a joke.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Wife was simply for their understanding, I'm not particularly concerned with the idea of marriage
mircea_popescu: now, you've probably heard enough jokes in your time to know there are two basic styles. one style is "some guy walks into a bar" and the other style is "this bloke joe walks into the bar".
ascii_field: (this-bloke (gensym) (walked-into (bar)))
mircea_popescu: the former is often trampled on by scoping questions by the [lamer] members of the audience. the second uses misdirection (the name's a throwaway) to perhaps enhance the results.,
mircea_popescu: "why should i know who some guy's name is to be able to tell a joke ?" "you only need to know the name if you plan to reuse it"
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mircea_popescu: c++ is very faux-texan in this sense.
mircea_popescu: "objective", except the objectivity is pure nominalism.
mircea_popescu: which makes it very much an idealism masquerading as an objectivism which then drives a particular sort of people up the wall.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne point being, if the bitch ain't working for you, she's the pimp and you're the ho.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41850 @ 0.00040074 = 16.771 BTC [+]
felipelalli: this conversation about programming languages, lol!
mircea_popescu: !up Exemus
Drhelmut: good night ppl
mats: programming sucks
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Sure, I guess thats kinda my point
felipelalli: ascii_field: are you a scheme programmer too? If yes, which dialect?
williamdunne: The confusion on my point is the extreme objection to this on the part of my peers
williamdunne: Anyhow, nothing too profound
trinque: felipelalli: one doesn't tend to be an X programmer past a certain proficiency
ascii_field: felipelalli: i haven't used scheme in anger in many years.
mircea_popescu: he mostly uses python :D
williamdunne: Although, I'm now thinking that unless I'm given some particularly large incentive not too, I would like to move somewhere in Eastern Europe
mircea_popescu: williamdunne ukraine ?
felipelalli: trinque: you're right, my question was if ascii_field did program in scheme before.
williamdunne: Hate the language
williamdunne: Not been though
williamdunne: CZ/RO currently on top
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I thought it was quite interesting that Romanian doesn't distinguish between to win and to earn though
mircea_popescu: "one can only imagine what having to lie to your compiler _every_ day and to make unwarranted guesses that your colleagues will depend on the same way they depend on your hard-earned knowledge _does_ to a human brain -- I know I couldn't handle even the prospect of it." << ya ya. welcome to real life (tm). this is what it is. exactly. there shall never be an escape from it, it is the indelible mark of superiority,
mircea_popescu: the notion that one can run out of it by running out of c is ridiculous.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field this goes right into our discussion about how the only reason lisp is ok where c is shot is that the hordes haven't sat on lisp but on c, would have been the other way around if they had sat the other way.
mircea_popescu: preciselythis.
ascii_field: naggum pointed this out
mircea_popescu: williamdunne technically, it's all "gain".
ascii_field: but it is not a complete story
mircea_popescu: ascii_field one day ima have an original thought. i swear.
ascii_field: rather like saying 'this bridge is only here because sufficiently large column of tanks has not yet gone on it'
mircea_popescu: (to my compiler)
ascii_field: technically - guaranteed true.
ascii_field: enough tanks, made of neutron star, and any bridge will go down.
mircea_popescu: perhaps.
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mircea_popescu: williamdunne what you'll be more interested will be to hear that a) romanian uses a unified concept for gain, which covers "gain from playing the one man bandit", "gain for gainful employment", "gain from having said a funny joke", "gaining time" etc, but the actual word, cistiga, is a direct usage of the latin castigat.
mircea_popescu: as in, castigat ridendo mores. to, literally, beat into shape.
williamdunne: Ahh, I wish he'd gone into more detail thats kinda interesting
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172784 <<< overrated and the wife does the bare minimum just like anyone else stuck in a job they hate
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 21:06:53; williamdunne: On a side note something I found to be interesting; whenever it came up that I preferred the traditional model of a wife being submissive to her husband who goes to work while she performs domestic duties, it was made out that I am a neo-nazi by people my own age
williamdunne: cazalla: If they hate the job, why'd ya give it to them?
mircea_popescu: cazalla well if she does that she gets the whip.
trinque: traditional models are for boring people
williamdunne: MP, your model IIRC is pretty interesting..
mircea_popescu: great training tool tho. what's clueless girly to do ?
cazalla: williamdunne, well because she's a good mum (the hate my job part is really just having less time for oneself)
williamdunne: cazalla: Fair nuff, I'm not so keen on the idea of children that I have to look after so between myself and domestic duties they would still have time for themselves, you would hope
cazalla: why do you prefer the traditional model of a wife if no desire for kids?
trinque: think he means that *he* has to bother with
mircea_popescu: either because he wants to buy a whore rather than rent ; or because he wants a mistress but is affraid of her bulls.
mircea_popescu: strangely enough, two very different problems manifesting in the same can.
williamdunne: Permanent companionship/sexual fulfilment without the hassle of children?
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Not really scared of bulls, but I don't want to share
mircea_popescu: this still doesn't answer.
cazalla: williamdunne, biggest mistake i made at your age was believing i needed to get into a relationship with women to maintain regular sex
williamdunne: cazalla: I don't just mean sex
mircea_popescu: are you looking for a woman to worship you, that you really don't give a shit about ; or for a woman to worship yourself, that doesn't really give a shit about you.
williamdunne: Option 3, I suppose
mircea_popescu: there is no option 3.
williamdunne: Well in which case option 1 is the beyond obvious choice
mircea_popescu: never mind what's obvious, nobody asked your impression of collected social pressure. question's what you would rather.
williamdunne: Option 1, its an obvious choice
williamdunne: Not option 1 because societal pressure
mircea_popescu: well so then why shouldn't she work.
trinque: everyone needs something productive to do; what's she going to do, stare at a picture of you all day while you're off living?
mircea_popescu: ^ very good statement of the problem.
williamdunne: Why should she work? Are there not alternatives to a job
williamdunne: kept woman type thing
mircea_popescu: but that's for option 2 folk.
williamdunne: Do you have to worship a paid for companion?
trinque: wtf do you think paid for is?
mircea_popescu: don't the online whores these days call it exactly that ?
mircea_popescu: what is it, "tribute"
trinque: williamdunne: I have had chicks that don't have a career, and seen the detriment idleness can be
trinque: so it's a garden, or whatever, still she needs to see that her life has some kind of point
williamdunne: trinque as if in you pay for their upkeep
williamdunne: Oh sure
williamdunne: But I wouldn't call that work
mircea_popescu: why not ?
cazalla: well if she's not kept busy raising your kids or some other hobby, don't be surprised when she ends up in the bed of another
mircea_popescu: if it's worth paying for is work, and if it's not then it doesn't answer to this line.
mircea_popescu: "Because I am not religious, I have no mystical conception of an afterlife. To me, a person lives on not in Heaven or Hell but instead in the minds and hearts of those they touched while alive"
williamdunne: By work, I strictly mean doing something which you have to do to support yourself financially
mircea_popescu: fucktarded progressive sectarian nuts. "i have no religion except this wonky religion that i claim not to be one"
mircea_popescu: williamdunne like sucking cock ?
williamdunne: If thats what you're paid to do, sure
trinque: so she's supporting herself by being paid by you to do work you find valuable
mircea_popescu: were you basically meaning to say "my idea of ideal marriage is where im just rich enough to not give a fuck" but misstated it as "woman should not work out of the house" and ended up irritating random people ?
trinque: that's work
williamdunne: Pretty much
williamdunne: Only a handful were particularly irritated, and they weren't worth keeping contact with anyhow
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2015 01:58:55; trinque: what I'm gathering though is I have very little rational options beyond get rich, and do it now
cazalla: anyway williamdunne, you're what? 18? i wouldn't even give thought to wife and kids until you hit your 30s or perhaps even later, go whore it up for the next 15 years
williamdunne: Aha, its not something I intend to do within the near future
cazalla: well better to encourage the sluts around you to get naked than to tell them you think a boring housewife is a better proposition than them
mircea_popescu: total mismatch between meaning and expression, babyface.
williamdunne: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: btw, check out how nicely the cult's gangster outlook is rounding out! we now have a guy nicknamed babyface even.
cazalla: lol
trinque: !b 2
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mircea_popescu: hopefully someone named schultz joins. i think you haveto have one.
trinque needs to start wearing more suits
williamdunne: I lol'd
mircea_popescu: i swear the quality of tx relaying is shittening every day.
mircea_popescu: the number of txn broadcast through one node used to be pretty much zero. i would guess by now it's over 10%. which is fucking insane.
mircea_popescu: (for the amaterus : txn propagation has a lot in common with epidemiology, a topic recently trouched upon here. in any case : the spots where a transaction goes from "unknown" to "broadcast through one node" to "broadcast to the whole net" are interesting in the general case. and the first move thereof a very good measure of "quality", basically speaking the inverse of an infection's pathogenicity)
mircea_popescu: (seeing how a transaction lives as such a finite interval before being included in a block, the % of txn that live as "known to one" vs the total "known to all" is of particular interest)
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172679 actually, it's close to usual paymium price (and that's why i shop there)
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 20:24:39; mike_c: only bug I see is euros are way overpriced.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.0003973 = 2.4434 BTC [-]
jurov: !up sam0
jurov: !up cardigm
jurov: i implore theee, speak up
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mats: ill take a dog over a robot any day
jurov: !up ag3nt_zer0
jurov: !gettrust ag3nt_zer0
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ag3nt_zer0: thanks and how goes it...?
jurov: goes okay
jurov: except maybe i found out i killed 88 hours in eulora in june
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mats: would buy this poster
jurov: !rate ag3nt_zer0 1 n3w bl00d
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mats: where's the nubs at
mats: ;;seen nubbins`
gribble: nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 0 hours, 30 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <nubbins`> o.O
ag3nt_zer0: jurov: haha well it all ends badly so don't sweat it
jurov: !v assbot:jurov.rate.ag3nt_zer0.1:2e1c33c6523854294ce76c0385e143a9600c5e02c9164ae65268f0d12ed646f6
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for ag3nt_zer0 with note: n3w bl00d
jurov: ohmy another talmudic scholar
ag3nt_zer0: I notice that I am one of the few using the mangled substitution of numbers for characters... if this is crass I can change it haha... but is it possible to migrate my trust? probably not huh?
trinque: who cares?
ag3nt_zer0: haha a talmudic scholar
trinque: u r n0t 2 1337 4 u5
jurov: since you have no ratings yet, can just get a new key and register new acct
jurov: but it's fine i guess
ag3nt_zer0: hi trinque noce to see you
ag3nt_zer0: is it possible that btc will have any positive effect on the wretched educational system?
jurov: !s beatings
assbot: 74 results for 'beatings' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=beatings
mats: the beatings will continue until morale improves
trinque: also beatings for not giving out enough beatings
trinque: meta-beatings if you will
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: howdy bub
mats: its beatings all the way down
williamdunne: yo dawg..
ag3nt_zer0: I am coming from the viewpoint of a non-castrated teacher that believes in the transmissibility of the flame - but sees the flame has been hijacked and perverted by the marxist fag multicultis
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jurov: you're t3ach3r?
ag3nt_zer0: haha yeah
cazalla: ag3nt_zer0, not from /pol/ are you ?
ag3nt_zer0: lament
trinque: he's the second to last rhodesian
ag3nt_zer0: cazalla: no, I don't know what that is
williamdunne: ag3nt_zer0: 4chan board
jurov: no, 8chan
jurov: :D
williamdunne: Sorry, both
williamdunne: The politics board on many different imageboards
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: seems to me you can't fix education in its present form.
trinque: current system is predicated on the idea that mass production of "educated" is even possible
trinque: amply treated here in many threads already
trinque: !s education
assbot: 451 results for 'education' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=education
ag3nt_zer0: oh ok great thansk
williamdunne: Eh, seems like it is a good thing even if just at a primary level
williamdunne: Although the whole no kid left behind thing is bullshit no matter the level
trinque: williamdunne: sure and that primary level shouldn't be considered educated
williamdunne: Sorry, misread as "education" as a wider group rather than educated
ag3nt_zer0: yes, the system is fucked, but I wonder about the feasibility of something created entirely outside of it... maybe on a barge...
trinque: heh!
trinque: !s sealand
assbot: 15 results for 'sealand' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sealand
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: worked for the scientologists though
trinque: there's a cult that got places
ag3nt_zer0: williamdunne: yes no matter what some will be left behind
trinque: their tax exempt status is the greatest heist of all time
trinque: or one of.
trinque: no product, fanatics at your disposal, massive prices for your non-product, no taxes
trinque: kidding me?
williamdunne: ag3nt_zer0: Thats my point
williamdunne: ignore me
trinque: and hell I'm only half kidding
trinque: look at what those fucking nutbags pulled off
assbot: Internet piracy: Federal Government's legislation to block websites passes Senate - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1BxyUpG )
trinque: artifexd: save us obi wan kenobi
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: yup, "ok google"
trinque: just them doing their job, really
jurov: !up blazes816
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: given what an extraordinary intelligence asset google hypothetically "could" be it's inconceivable that they are not
trinque: and the relationship is likely 5% official
mats: is pretty well known schmidt is part of meta-nsa
trinque: yeah
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: yes sure...
mats: other statal regimes have realized google's sigint model beats deep packet inspection every time
mats: so guess whats being built nao
ag3nt_zer0: well, can't wait till maidsafe saves us all from that!... kidding
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jurov: ag3nt_zer0: you can now !up yourself
williamdunne: Has anything been said by maidsafe recently?
williamdunne: Eh, looks like some code is happening at least
assbot: MaidSafe · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1GDoR1A )
williamdunne: this is *definitely* not an endorsement, I was simply wondering if they'd run with the money or if they were pretending to do something
jurov: maybe both
cazalla: crashing this plane.. with NO SURVIVORS! http://corporate.lot.com/pl/en/press-news?article=772922
cazalla: (hax0r3d planes)
ag3nt_zer0: so, if structuralism and post-structuralism are reactions against "traditional" humanism, and "tradition" in general (which seems untenable given that I see Traditonal metaphysics as opposed to humanism), would post-post-structuralism be pro-traditionalism to some degree?
ag3nt_zer0: jaberwocky philosophy
williamdunne: ;;seen indiancandy1
gribble: indiancandy1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 19 hours, 52 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <indiancandy1> i watched her documentry
williamdunne: documentry
trinque: williamdunne: did you ever get her keys squared? lol
williamdunne: Nope, she never came back while I was still in the UK
trinque: haha, just as well
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assbot: Yifan Lu | Hacking the PS Vita ... ( http://bit.ly/1BxBrjG )
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: no offense but I have no idea what you just said
trinque: care to restate?
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: structuralism smacks of "that stolen-from is not your stolen-from; it's all of ours"
trinque: an attempt of many to claim some aggregate which supercedes the individual
trinque: so if it's one of those, oldest swindle there is
trinque: I don't see anything new; talented people try to do interesting things, and others try to hold him back to varying degrees
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: well I had no idea what structuralism was but read something by mircer_popescu and at the end he said "welcome to the post-post- structuralist world that the internet has enabled" or something to that effect... that got me looking at structuralisma dn post structuralism and I was just confused because what I read was that structuralism was a reaction against humanism -and- tradition,, but as far as i understand,
ag3nt_zer0: agains tradition
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ag3nt_zer0: I guess I am just trying to grasy what mp was excited about... it did seem like he saw a lot of light in the development, philosophically speaking
ag3nt_zer0: nevermind I don't know what the hell
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trinque: ah, you'll have to ask him then
ag3nt_zer0: anyway it's just nice to be in a room that has some good heads in it...
trinque: yep
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: how do you define traditionalism?
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: shotgun definition: orientation toward a suprahuman or transcendental "dimension"
ag3nt_zer0: Plato was a traditional philosopher
trinque: it's interesting then to see humanism in contrast to that term, as humanism seems to imagine this platonic form of "human" which we all resemble, and are therefore intrinsically valuable somehow
ag3nt_zer0: it is really perennial traditionalism, or perennialism that I am thinking of
ag3nt_zer0: well I suppose one way to english the difference is that a traditional orientation would be vertical (upward, toward the absolute, what not), vs horizontal (man is measure of all things and human contentment and "happiness" main goals)
trinque: I tend to be wary of systems that try to provide a taxonomy of human action
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: I see roughly what you're pointing at; what do you make of it?
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: still making of it hehe
asciilifeform: in other news, happy 22nd june, actual-start-of-ww2-day, to all.
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: more pointedly, I tend to assume that where someone makes broad generalizations about "being", they've actually given me a command
trinque: and I tend to interpret it along those lines, rather than there actually existing some transcendental realm where concepts exist, dance about, generating meaning
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: well the stuff of matter must rest upon something, no?
trinque: thought that which matter rests upon was an open question
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: are you a mathematical person?
ag3nt_zer0: are you interested in mathematics?
trinque: I'm just a derpy guy with very little formal education.
ag3nt_zer0: haha which means you have been subjected to less lobotomy
trinque: somewhat; though I will not tell the future students of the republic's university to do otherwise
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: this is what's up my butt... maybe I am obsolete but my intellection seems to have plateaued here: http://tohno-chan.com/ddl/src/Rene_Guenon_-_The_Crisis_of_the_Modern_World.pdf
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: thanks, I'll put it in my queue to read
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ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> so maybe the "doesn't work" vs "worked 3 days ago" is simply that you ran yours for a day and ben_vulpes ran his for fifteen minutes. << it just strikes me as unlikely that a node is going to connect to precisely the room i'm in and then bless me with a usable IP addr
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: having read the foreward, looks interesting; I'll probably have it read in a few days
trinque: I will say that the author's metaphysical end of the world may not be the only one transpiring
trinque: the best crises are, I'm sure, a nice blend of irl and metaphysical destruction
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 19:07:07; ascii_field: i will remind readers that 'irc on butcher block' means a 100% reliance on seeds we enter in config. and also on specifying node's external ipv4.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 19:07:18; ascii_field: which is, i suppose, as it should be. but means that: we need seeds.
ben_vulpes: i let my thermonuked node run all night, picked up not a single seed
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
Vexual: !up SuchWow
Vexual: anyone in norther lats got aurora?
ben_vulpes: !up SuchWow
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ag3nt_zer0: trinque: yes the best apocalypse is total!
mats: ha, just noticed asciilifeform's comment when reviewing my ratings
mats: for the record i am not a reverse engineer, my interests are narrowly tailored to exploitation
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it would by the very fact of connecting. shows you its ip
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 ironically enough, im sure teaching will be fine. schools tho... hard to say.
thestringpuller: What's this bullshit I'm hearing Gavin has 75% (supermajority) support of "the community" on his stupid BIP?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1173030 << ahh, such sweet logs await you in the logs.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 23:01:12; ag3nt_zer0: so, if structuralism and post-structuralism are reactions against "traditional" humanism, and "tradition" in general (which seems untenable given that I see Traditonal metaphysics as opposed to humanism), would post-post-structuralism be pro-traditionalism to some degree?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: everytime you shoot this nigga in the head he comes back to fucking life.
mircea_popescu: down from the 100% he thought he had back in janaury ?
mircea_popescu: since we're making up numbers, i would say he needs to have at least 8megapercent support, or else his support won't scale.
asciilifeform: 'the chocolate ration has increased from 100 to 50g...'
mircea_popescu: funny that derps using numbers like retarded children use playdo should at any point expect to be engaged by sane people as if serious.
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asciilifeform unpacks crate of east german z80 clones, counts, puts on shelf
thestringpuller: this is what scares me! kids with guns are still dangerous (even if it just them shooting each other)
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: kids throwing own turds are only 'dangerous' to the orderlies, and this only if the latter forgot their mask
thestringpuller: in the even there are no orderlies? everyone gets pegged with poo?
mod6: it's a shit blizzard, Randy.
thestringpuller: you need to get off the liquor mister leahy
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: 2 items for consideration: 1) what version string is to be used in the first public therealbitcoin nodes? the current one doesn't seem appropriate 2) anyone have existing nodes (of whatever variety) to 'get a light' from? i'd prefer these to 'wild' mysterymeat
mod6: I am the liquor, bobandy.
mod6: asciilifeform: 1) don't have anything to add to this discussion atm. although, we can have it again if you like. 2) I don't have anything going atm; The working nodes (on deb6) are down because i'm working on the gentoo gcc stuff right now.
thestringpuller: http://i.imgur.com/xDGYGZV.jpg << for all the people using cloud as a buzzword
mod6: The patch we got from that mailing list was from a different version for sure than 4.8.4 -- so i've had to hack it in by hand. gentoo is now applying the patch properly. and it's compiling as we speak. there is one caviat that I need to get over before I can test it though.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 190.172.13.251
asciilifeform: mod6: not looking for earth-shaking ideas, but release was 0.5.3.1, and the thing about to be fielded is clearly something quite else, imho needs a new name, at least new ver. 2) ~somebody~'s gotta have a seed
mod6: ah there you go.
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu answered 2!
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: yeah i am looking for alternatives that's why I asked about btc and ed... is this question a simple "where does the trust lie?"... btw you know those cuddle-puddle poddies they have all the students arranged in now? You know, the ingenious design that promotes cheating and distraction and love? Those are fucking MANDATORY in some districts... teachers couldn't sit them all facing forward if they wanted
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 0.5.4, 0.6, whichever.
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 but have ye read the logs ?
asciilifeform still in the process of sawing out the irc sync mechanism. after this, will have to see whether the deterministic-build thing actually works (my last attempt using therealbitcoin's 'official' script died in agony on account of gcc strange)
mod6: If we add in (officially the following): { Orphanage Thermonuke, TX Orphanage Amputation, { All DNS Thermonyukyooar Patches } }, I'd say that'd be a new milestone. And I'd propose to call it 0.5.3.2
asciilifeform: ^ why not.
mircea_popescu: 0.5.3.2 works
mircea_popescu: tho kinda long imo. nobody should need 4 digits of versioning
mircea_popescu: unless, of course, they're from ms. then they need 8. or unl;ess they're running boost and qt.
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: yes some, not enough, far from done...
mod6: haha
asciilifeform: imho we oughta cleanly break with the gavinists' versioning sequence (e.g., 31337.1)
mircea_popescu: make it 5.4, good enough
asciilifeform: for one thing, would piss on their 'too old' detection mechanism
asciilifeform: widely deployed among unsuspecting folks
mircea_popescu: this is the sequence, logically. buncha derps made some rejected "versions", who cares what they numbered them as ?
mircea_popescu: folks should suspect more.
asciilifeform: was there a turdalicious 5.4 ?
mircea_popescu: what idiots did can not now, nor ever be a consideration.
mod6: well, there isn't a previous version 5.4 -- stops after 5.3 and goes right to 6... so i guess that could work.
mircea_popescu: i'm not going to not name something america because obama.
asciilifeform: idk, what hogs do is in some circumstances a consideration at meat plant
asciilifeform: 5.4 works
mircea_popescu: so then, that.
mod6: let's let ben weigh in here.
asciilifeform: again, i'm not about to fire it quite yet. probably needs another evening or two of massage.
mod6: oh hey, i think my patch built ok...
mod6: now to find out if it actually /works/ XD
mod6: if this works out, it'll be my first official gcc hack
mod6: of course... there is the entire question on the table at this point about the "gentoo sanity" patches.
mod6: before we cut a new milestone, i'd like to have this sucker up and running on gentoo with uclibc & patched with the "gentoo sanity" patches as well.
mod6: then we can finally go off of a version that we support, etc.
mod6: (basically, I'm just saying those patches should have been included in my list above)
mod6: oh, and I keep hitting an additional problem aside from what the "gentoo sanitiy" resolves. i've been holding off submitting a patch for it until I can get this thing actually compiled and working.
mod6: (have been having to add `#define __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS \ #include <stdint.h>` to the start of net.cpp, util.cpp, and wallet.cpp for some bizzare reason)
asciilifeform: ^ that's what i was talking about re: the deterministic build script
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is pretty good progress and intel seems to indicate you're actually ahead of the curve, so, dun stress.
asciilifeform curious re: 'the curve'
asciilifeform wonders how many folks, toiling in forgotten pestholes, have walked same path
mircea_popescu: not that curve. the "o noes, 75% support" curve.
mod6: eh, guess i spoke too soon: my patch comiled in nicely... and much much later in the entire compile process gcc hangs on libcpp: http://dpaste.com/3XZH8PZ.txt
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1173048 << do not define, or even think about, things in terms of other things. it is a horrible habit and a path to idiocy.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 23:24:56; ag3nt_zer0: trinque: well I had no idea what structuralism was but read something by mircer_popescu and at the end he said "welcome to the post-post- structuralist world that the internet has enabled" or something to that effect... that got me looking at structuralisma dn post structuralism and I was just confused because what I read was that structuralism was a reaction against humanism -and- tradition,, but as far
mircea_popescu: structuralism is the proposition that elements of human culture are defined by their relationships to other elements.
mircea_popescu: this is a complex point not accessible to the novice, and so nothing to be taken cavallierly.
mod6: maybe something in my few repeated builds hosed something up. the /work/ dir does seem to get blown away every time.
mod6: smh
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1173058 << this is idealism. and a very idealistic definition to boot, wtf is "orientation towards". like, when i take a piss i'm orientated towards the urinal ?
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 23:32:50; ag3nt_zer0: trinque: shotgun definition: orientation toward a suprahuman or transcendental "dimension"
mircea_popescu: !up liquidassets
Hasimir: or to put it another way (re: structuralism), everything is interconnected ...
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: yeah ok, after looking up structuralism, I was just hung up on the idea that if humanism is constructed on erroneous principles, and is structuralism is a reaction to humanism... then its just doubly wayward...
mod6: here's the gcc 4.8.4 patch in question (gcc needs to be patched with Gentoo/uclibc/PIE patches beforehand): http://dpaste.com/0QHZ59X.txt
mircea_popescu: of the crooked timber of humanity no correct thing was ever made.
mircea_popescu: to say that any paradigm is flawed is not to say very much at all.
ag3nt_zer0: so maybe with a post-post-post the ship eventually by chance faces due north
mircea_popescu: it'd be interesting if you can show how its flaws impede its intended results and how can they be cheaply remedied.
Hasimir: "these sorts of things have happened before and have always been attributable to human error."
mod6: i'm gonna nuke that machine again and try to compile it again with the patch. see if it works. if not, i'll just see if it'll even compile gcc itself.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i didn't know la serenissima had nukes :D
mod6: just of the bitwise persuasion :]
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 the entire thing started with the absolutely correct observation that words have i nfact no meanings, not anymore than any one website has google pagerank. a theoretical model was proposed where meaning of all words is produced through iteration, exactly in the same manner pr is calculated (and this is why google used to be notable - it implemented a major tenet of culture at the time)
mod6: so one of the reasons i'm being kidna hard-headed about 4.8.4; i'm worried that with a downlevel version such as 3.7 or whatever, that there might not even exist a set of patches (such as Gentoo/uclibc/PIE) that are required for Gentoo -- might be a whole seperate ball of wax & problems.
mircea_popescu: this model is very stupid, notwithstanding interesting results it produces in some cases, and the failure of google exactly illustrates the failures of the model.
mod6: so if we get this one to work, i think that's our best/easiest path, currently.
mircea_popescu: post-post-structuralism is in no sense and to no degree a return to "Traditionalism", which is strictly distinct from the humanism the original structuralism was supposedly a reaction to. it is merely the observation of coexistence : the stupid generate their pseudo-meanings out of iteration, the smart (i've called these before language creators) have thei own dictionaries, the two categories interplay in praxis.
mircea_popescu: (praxis being the usage of a language, or more properly, representational system)
mircea_popescu: and traditionalism, for the record, is the fundamentally correct observation that there can not be such a thing as a new phenomenon, and the fundamentally flawed proposition that for this reason, it is more important to interpret phenomena through history than through any other lens.
mircea_popescu: stuff like taleb is a much more damaging criticism of traditionalism than structuralism ever was or could aspire to be.
mircea_popescu: (and humanism is the proposition, beyond naive, that there exists an universal aspect to everything which is immediately accessible to people. if this sounds stupid well... it's because humanism, like any socialist ideology, is made by the stupid for the use of the stupid)
mircea_popescu: at its core, humanism is the proposition not that there exists a saint peter by the pearly gates, nor that he would understand your language, but that ~you~ would understand ~his~,
mircea_popescu: or for that matter even recognize pearly gates if you saw 'em.
mircea_popescu: which is exactly contradictory to the hermetic tradition, nothing else. (which no, is not simply "jewish")
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mircea_popescu: so now you're in a position to understand why strong (ie, absolute) cryptography is such a threat. it actually annuls a fundamental presuposition of western culture. if there exists something that is in fact inaccessible, then there can be no such thing as "humanism", and thus therefore socialism is just stupid, rather than being what the "nordic system" chicklet claimed for it : stupid but universal.
mircea_popescu: and this is also why "social mobility" is such a big deal, representationally, notwithstanding the nonsense it is in practice, and why the worst thing you can do is kick a black dude out of your clubhouse or whatever.
mircea_popescu: and wtf is "perennialism" even supposed to be, pico de la mirandolla and friends ?
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: thanks for the response... I am confused about this: "and the fundamentally flawed proposition that for this reason, it is more important to interpret phenomena through history than through any other lens." -is this how traditionalist discourse treat phenomena? exclusively historically? and also: you say taleb can provide a damaging critique of traditionalism? May I kindly ask, whose? What authors/thinkers
mircea_popescu: principally historically.
mircea_popescu: have you read nassim taleb ?
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ag3nt_zer0: no, but due to reading something you wrote I have started the black swan
ag3nt_zer0: ...begun
mircea_popescu: aha. no authors specifically, because he does not specifically understand that he's battling westerners that have joined the choir invisible centuries ago.
Hasimir: the problem I have with the rarity of black swans is they nest in the lake across the road every spring ...
mircea_popescu: (this also is why nobody seems to ever want to engage him)
Hasimir: so much for that theory ....
mircea_popescu: Hasimir well you live in a place that doesn't exist anyway >D
Hasimir: heheh
Hasimir: fair point
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 you familiar with the fantabulous history of the gauss copula ?
ag3nt_zer0: haha no
ag3nt_zer0: sounds good
mircea_popescu: hm. well, do you know what technical analysis is ?
ag3nt_zer0: can't say that I formally do
ag3nt_zer0: what am i talking, yes I do
ag3nt_zer0: not well
mircea_popescu: mkay. there is this psychogenically-driven assumption in financial circles that the past may be used to evaluate future risk. this is incredibly stupid and absolutely perennial (the only thing perennial in human cultural history is stupidity, by the way - smart stuff has no root)
ag3nt_zer0: but i understand that it is used to analyze financial information, particularly in markets
mircea_popescu: in any case, THAT is traditionalism for you. between "nobody went out of business buying ibm" and "our gauss copulae indicate the future will be rosy", crash after crash and disaster after disaster.
mircea_popescu: and THAT is where taleb engages traditionalism - where it matters. nobody is still left at the wheel who can talk back, so nobody does, all that's left is a cargo cult of the dead st. thomas, trudging along.
mircea_popescu: but such is life.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106080 @ 0.00041175 = 43.6784 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1173066 << check em out, the original windows wizards. to think idiots of all stripes today still try to "be zatko"
mircea_popescu: i imagine that's gavin's wet dream, if anything.
ag3nt_zer0: ok. but I am under the impression that at the core of traditionalism are simply metaphysical absolutes... for instance, "the greater cannot proceed from the lesser" - there is one absolute source, be it languaged in a number of ways, etc...
mircea_popescu: the why is the controlling aspect, not the what.
mod6: does that guy have a Matryoshka doll tie?!
mod6 laughs
trinque: bahaha who the fuck adopts "Oblivion" but keeps "Brian"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 190.172.13.251 is dead
asciilifeform: go, connect.
mircea_popescu looks into.
asciilifeform notices that certain nodes in the wild... won't return the genesis block!!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29935 @ 0.00041181 = 12.3275 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29765 @ 0.00042314 = 12.5948 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: ok weird. same exact error as last time after complete nuke. tomorrow i'll nuke again and see if gcc will compile without the patch.
asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al:
asciilifeform: '(EXPERIMENTAL) Full IRC Demolition; Manual External IP Setting; Version Bump.'
mod6 looks
asciilifeform: ^ precisely what is printed on the box. but all plz read
assbot: Logged on 23-06-2015 03:11:09; Hasimir: the problem I have with the rarity of black swans is they nest in the lake across the road every spring ...
cazalla: actually forget it, we had this conversation a few weeks ago
mod6: ah and it bumps the version too
asciilifeform: unless someone notices serious problems, this is what will be built (using deterministic build process) and fielded on the first public node
mod6: thanks for your work on this asciilifeform!
asciilifeform: i would like to ask the fine gentlemen to read this and the antecedents (ben_vulpes has a pretty good review on his www)
mod6: im hoping I can figure something out with gcc tomorrow. if I don't get anywhere, perhaps time to cut bait and head in a different direction.
mod6: i've read the patches and ben's review on his blog. i'll be writing up a summary of my own in the SoBA at the end of the month.
mod6: (same sort of deal as last month)
asciilifeform: btw i will note (in case this wasn't clear) that i test-fire everything i post
asciilifeform: prior to posting
mod6: *nod*
asciilifeform: (this does not excuse other folks from test!)
mod6: as soon as I can, i'll be sure to patch everything in the order specified and kick off a full regression cycle.
asciilifeform: here's a thought:
asciilifeform: deleting crud from bitcoin is so much fun,
asciilifeform: almost sorry we're running short on things to axe.
asciilifeform: !up Vexual
Vexual: stones no longer safe on earth
asciilifeform: 'every program contains at least one bug. every program can be reduced by at least one line. ergo, every program can be reduced to precisely one line - which doesn't work.' (dijkstra?)
asciilifeform: astute readers will notice that proposed 5.4 does not permit externalip to be altered at runtime.
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