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mod6: eh, maybe i was wrong about what that email contains, i guess it's from may of 2012. ugh, too tired. my apologies.
mod6 is out
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00040663 = 5.7945 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00041995 = 8.441 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00042177 = 4.0912 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00042177 = 5.5463 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00042177 = 3.6272 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14593 @ 0.0004165 = 6.078 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00041275 = 6.5215 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
Vexual: hey, hows that vette running?
Vexual: surely its a diff machine now
ben_vulpes: heh, mebbe in that i've worn her in a bit now.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6394 @ 0.00042177 = 2.6968 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: does anyone recall where the (brief) thread on replacing rpc with signals went?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8416 @ 0.0004202 = 3.5364 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp#2122 << does this set the bindAddress to any if the -rpcallowip flag is set?
assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1BDVaPk )
ben_vulpes not actually testing this tonight, just reading code
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10945 @ 0.00042177 = 4.6163 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00042177 = 2.5939 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so it goes faster ? :D
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it sets it to the specified ip
mircea_popescu: otherwise it only allows 127.0.0.1
ben_vulpes: well i'm reading that as a ternary operator
ben_vulpes: = (test) ? (val if test returns true) : (val if test returns false)
ben_vulpes: am i off my rocker?
mircea_popescu: but the true is a function call
ben_vulpes: asio::ip::address_v4::any() << looks wide ope to me
assbot: boost/asio/ip/address_v4.hpp - 1.50.0 ... ( http://bit.ly/1LmAIVU )
mircea_popescu: it just transforms a numeric value into a boost "object"
ben_vulpes: which numeric value? i read " if flag is passed, accept requests from any ipv4 addr. else, only accept connections on the loopback interface"
mircea_popescu: nah. it's -rpcallowip=x
mircea_popescu: and it turns the x into something it can use as an ip
mircea_popescu: "if flag is passed, transform its value into an ip and use that"
ben_vulpes: that's som implicit ass semantics if that's how shit's actually workgin
assbot: How to use the Conditional (ternary) ope - C++ Forum ... ( http://bit.ly/1Geej6J )
ben_vulpes: dun see how the test value gets passed to the function invocations
ben_vulpes: and that method call any() looks like..."any"
mircea_popescu: i didn't come up with boost.
ben_vulpes: hey look! pits!
ben_vulpes: if that works the way you say it works that's more implicit than rails
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.0004202 = 1.4497 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12674 @ 0.00042437 = 5.3785 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00042646 = 11.1306 BTC [+] {4}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19878 @ 0.00040768 = 8.1039 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: Windows 10 “WiFi Sense” automatically leaks your wifi password to strangers | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GAhsAd )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00041522 = 7.557 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: xoreaxeaxeax/movfuscator · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1GAju3k )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00041868 = 2.3446 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12730 @ 0.00043106 = 5.4874 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: MIG: Mozilla InvestiGator by mozilla ... ( http://bit.ly/1BEln03 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00042985 = 6.1039 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00043302 = 3.6807 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00041811 = 4.3902 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00041762 = 5.4291 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10324 @ 0.00041898 = 4.3255 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00041531 = 3.9039 BTC [-] {2}
williamdunne: Hello all
williamdunne: I'm back in the UK, so will begin appearing again
williamdunne: Naphex: Did your friend launch the RO exchange?
williamdunne: ;;seen scoopbot_revived
gribble: scoopbot_revived was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 12 hours, 40 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <scoopbot_revived> Changing the BitBet resolution process. http://trilema.com/2015/changing-the-bitbet-resolution-process/
williamdunne: Ohshit
williamdunne: Wonder what happened there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46800 @ 0.00042412 = 19.8488 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: Law Enforcement Seizes $11,000 From 24-Year-Old ... ( http://bit.ly/1QKk8D0 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00043866 = 2.4126 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7188 @ 0.00043979 = 3.1612 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00043979 = 3.2325 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2512 @ 0.00043979 = 1.1048 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6408 @ 0.00043345 = 2.7775 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.0004397 = 2.2864 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.0004397 = 2.5942 BTC [+]
mod6: So yeah, in the version (v0.2.1) from MPs email, that code to find the external ip is included. Also if I do a checkout of tag v0.1.5 from git, same thing. Still don't know who added it for sure though.
mod6: anyway, it's neither really here nor there.
mod6: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 361912 | Current Difficulty: 4.969238635489384E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 362879 | Next Difficulty In: 967 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 13 hours, 18 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mod6: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00040352 / 0.00042091 / 0.00045217 (1775681 shares, 747.42 BTC), 7D: 0.00036741 / 0.0004229 / 0.00047031 (20583079 shares, 8,704.69 BTC), 30D: 0.00026467 / 0.00035047 / 0.00047031 (106048949 shares, 37,167.48 BTC)
mircea_popescu: mod6 it was in the first implementation too. pretty sure it's OA.
mod6: Objection Argumentitive? yeah, guess it is.
mircea_popescu: original author lol
mod6: ahh, haha. ok
mod6: Unrelated, I downgraded my GPG version from v1.4.13 to v1.4.10 -- incase anyone notices the change in my sigs.
mod6: v1.4.10 is from Sept. 2nd 2009 https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-announce/2009q3/000291.html where v1.4.13 is from Dec. 20th 2012 https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-announce/2012q4/000319.html which was still pre-snowden, but only by ~4-5 months.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: how did you get 3% RO tax rate?
mircea_popescu: small businesses pay 3% of income. the other option is to pay 16% of net income.
williamdunne: Oh okay
mircea_popescu: you can also opt to be a vat payer (in which case you also get to deduct vat you paid)
williamdunne: So works out a lot better if you have high profit margins to do 3% income
mircea_popescu: but best used in the hands of a competent local accountant, because it's complex.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne moreover, there are better jurisdictions to deduct expenses in than romania.
mircea_popescu: deduct in london, get out of 60% rather than in romania, which has 16% pretty much throughout.
Naphex: williamdunne: not yet, no RO exchanges alive atm
williamdunne: Naphex: I was terrified this was the finished product
assbot: Bitcoin Exchange Romania - your cryptocurrency source ... ( http://bit.ly/1LcM267 )
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Hmm okay, makes sense. But in UK you have dividend tax which sucks
mircea_popescu: what's that to do with anything ?
williamdunne: Which if I'm reading correctly, doesn't apply to EU citizens for Romanian companies
mircea_popescu: why would you be paying yourself dividends in london ?
williamdunne: Not the only shareholder
mircea_popescu: if it's a large company you don't gas about dividends. if it's small hire them as consultants or w/e
Naphex: williamdunne: nah, that looks like ssome scam
mircea_popescu: srsly, get a tax lawyer, this is a thing.
williamdunne: True, will be worth doing
williamdunne: Naphex: Definitely, I'm guessing its the scammer you worked for trying to revive his shit without your source
mircea_popescu: contrary to popular belief tax lawyers are not expensive, ~especially~ if you're young and you look like you know what you're doing. most of their revenue comes from their list, which they can only add at the early stages, nobody's switching late in the game.
mircea_popescu: it's very much like the hiring market for businesses.
williamdunne: That actually makes a lot of sense, want to keep hold of you for when you are big
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I know your policy on MPEX is only to support bitcoin denominated businesses, but whats your opinion on exchanges? IMO while fiat is involved, revenue is almost entirely pegged to bitcoin
williamdunne: Oh and what is the name of the 8ch guy again?
asciilifeform: williamdunne: plz add phuctor rss ?
williamdunne: asciilifeform: Remind me tomorrow, and yeah I need to revive scoop anyway
williamdunne: Still not at home
williamdunne: Just the UK
assbot: Logged on 21-06-2015 06:10:10; ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp#2122 << does this set the bindAddress to any if the -rpcallowip flag is set?
asciilifeform: predicate ? action : else-action
asciilifeform: as per k&r
assbot: Logged on 21-06-2015 10:00:19; jurov: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9750797 kek
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170818 << the folks who like to brag about how they work for physical benjies will enjoy this link
williamdunne: asciilifeform: mai muny nao
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8907 @ 0.00043813 = 3.9024 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 21-06-2015 03:57:27; mod6: good point, i shouldn't speculate about weather satoshi wrote that or not without looking at MP's submission of the original bitcoin. (http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000047.html)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.0004289 = 8.3207 BTC [-] {3}
mod6: 0.6.2?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170737 << does ben_vulpes write single-threaded net proggies often ?
assbot: Logged on 21-06-2015 03:52:09; ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, is there a good reason why bitcoind had to be a multithreaded proggy?
mod6: no, MPs email contained v0.2.1
asciilifeform: mod6: not the linked one
asciilifeform: mod6: perhaps earlier ?
mod6: oooh. i was super confused. ok the name of the file is "bitcoin-src-21may2012.tar.gz"
mod6: not v0.2.1 may 21st. smh
mod6: *sigh*
mod6: anyway, i did checkout git tag v0.1.5 and the code there has the external ip stuff too.
asciilifeform: pretty sure this crud was in the original 'wire protocol.'
mod6: whats the wire protocol?
asciilifeform: mod6: lowest level of the bitcoin spec - order in which fields go in message, their contents, etc
asciilifeform: traditional (apparently) name.
mod6: ah, didn't know it had a name.
asciilifeform still recovering from yesterday's dive into the pile of shit, and wonders who and where hates said pile nearly as much as he does
mod6: anyway, yeah, i think this crud goes all the way back to the start.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu historical q. has anyone ever publicly attempted an honest implementation of 'provably destroy coin on bitcoin blockchain, re-materialize on $altcoin chain' mechanism? or was all known work on the subject perpetrated by idiot sc4mz0rz ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
trinque: mod6: I awaken
trinque: coffee in hand
trinque: lettuce slay the gcc dragon
trinque: or like... poke it in the eye and run
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00042537 = 1.6802 BTC [-]
mod6: trinque: werd. sounds good.
punkman: asciilifeform: I think the state of the art is: you send X BTC to 1BitcoinEaterAddressDontSendf59kuE then new genesis block assigns X newcoin to originating address, or something along these lines
mod6: nooooo
ben_vulpes: is today the day we vendor gcc?
ben_vulpes pulls on waders
ben_vulpes pulls on galoshes over waders
ben_vulpes digs asbestos gloves out of the closet
assbot: Wild cats, cocaine and claims of a police set-up | Bangkok Post: news ... ( http://bit.ly/1fqZyXE )
funkenstein_: more sugar on an average benjamin
mod6: soon to be bennifer
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170737 << does ben_vulpes write single-threaded net proggies often ? << ima sheep, but i was just thinking that spinning off a whole new thread to flush the db and sleep for half a second was a bit heavy handed.
assbot: Logged on 21-06-2015 03:52:09; ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, is there a good reason why bitcoind had to be a multithreaded proggy?
assbot: The Bitcoin Network | Joola ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4P0dD )
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170756 << yes << mircea_popescu asciilifeform plz foar to fight
assbot: Logged on 21-06-2015 06:10:10; ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp#2122 << does this set the bindAddress to any if the -rpcallowip flag is set?
ben_vulpes: is this ThreadSocketHandler -> ThreadSocketHandler2 pattern common in c++ multithreaded proggies?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00043312 = 3.1834 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00042208 = 9.4546 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Acrophobia ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXSXhO )
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell funkenstein_ nice
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform idiot scammzorz/naive webdevelopers.
mircea_popescu: the problem reduces to "find a salt that will turn this trivial hash into a known hash", which is equivalent to "break this key", which makes the premise unworkable.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne depends a lot on the exchange.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16055 @ 0.00043312 = 6.9537 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00043368 = 4.5103 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: so trinque & I have discovered that the patch provided by the email mentioned ( https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2015-02/msg00410.html ) doesn't patch cleanly at all. Even with some McGuyvering of the patch to ensure the paths are correct etc, there are still a number of files not found. It might be plausible to write our own custom patch for 4.8.4 to resolve the issue.
mod6: I think I might try to manually implement the changes required if the files in question do exist.
mod6: If this doesn't go well, perhaps we'll try a period gcc if we can get it to work with uclibc/hardened AND another caviat here is going to be weather this defect shows up in there as well (since way down level).
ben_vulpes: lurvely.
mod6: yeah, she's ugly.
assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/irc.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1dY3fTG )
assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/protocol.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1dY3hed )
cazalla: ;;later tell peter_dushenski i think your blog might've eaten my comment
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, mod6, decimation, trinque and any other c-grammers
mod6: lol, this is uglier than I had thought. I patched the gcc-4.8.4 source with all of the patches from /their/ bundle v1.5 (http://dpaste.com/1NRJTT7.txt), and now i'm in there apply patches by hand, and only 2 out of ~10 files to patch actually exist here (the rest are for pr# files (Problem Report?)). And when I can apply a patch, the surrounding code is slightly different.
mod6: there's about a 0.001% chance this will work.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8180 @ 0.00041703 = 3.4113 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19870 @ 0.0004149 = 8.2441 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Eulora 2nd event, Crafting As A Business and other considerations on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JcLHky )
mod6: ok, well done patching the stuff that can be patched...
ben_vulpes: i don't even have any items in eulora yet
ben_vulpes: much less time for games...
mod6: << someone put it on reddit twitter or wherever. << done
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well, we'll keep it warm for you for when you grow younger ?
ben_vulpes: although i did get a claim yesterday...
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/0RT585M.txt << still getting calls to getaddrinfo it looks like
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00041263 = 11.3886 BTC [-] {4}
trinque: that's a hilarious warning
jurov: ouch
mircea_popescu: o brother
mircea_popescu: ITS IN BOOST
ben_vulpes: i know
ben_vulpes: da woist
mod6: ben_vulpes: you did get Eulora built tho 'eh?!
mircea_popescu: was it ubuntu in the end ?
assbot: a tour of bitcoind booting to its first thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1JcOQRm )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00041078 = 14.4595 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: the happy "done!" printout
mircea_popescu: awww. the words of a man in old dull pain./
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i wonder briefly why these tards don't do something useful with their time, instead of making pointless "infographs" that make no sense, represent no data and interest no one.
mircea_popescu: but then again...
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: 'twas
jurov: that's incredible picture... why it does not go on at least to 2100, i wonder
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23050 @ 0.00042242 = 9.7368 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: ok, i've got a patch i created myself (post application of patches: gentoo/uclibc/PIE) for gcc... just trying to get it to work with emerge.
mod6: patch applies manually just fine, seems to choak when used by emerge becuase of directory levels or something. hopefully can overcome this...
assbot: Logged on 21-06-2015 01:43:37; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: you now have homework. it being, to read & actually grok the sequence of 4 'dns thermonuke' patches.
assbot: excising DNS lookups from bitcoind: asciilifeform's patches ... ( http://bit.ly/1JcR82X )
williamdunne: I think I found Kim's child
assbot: IamA 23 year old from the UK who can end the austerity and inequality that we are facing, but I am ignored by the media and even my own political party AMA! : IAmA ... ( http://bit.ly/1JcT6Ae )
cazalla: wru scoopy
assbot: FATF: Concerns Regarding Use Of Bitcoin By Terrorists | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1JcTi2z )
assbot: Logged on 21-06-2015 21:21:49; mircea_popescu: ITS IN BOOST
asciilifeform: but there could be no talk of removing it without first removing from bitcoind
asciilifeform: it may be possible to amputate it with linker shenanigans
asciilifeform: but it ~will~ have to come out
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170915 << precisely ~not~ what i was asking for. this is how idiot sc4mz0r did it - as a one-time thing
assbot: Logged on 21-06-2015 17:56:12; punkman: asciilifeform: I think the state of the art is: you send X BTC to 1BitcoinEaterAddressDontSendf59kuE then new genesis block assigns X newcoin to originating address, or something along these lines
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00042282 = 6.4269 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53106 @ 0.00041654 = 22.1208 BTC [-]
funkenstein_: i'm doubt it's what you are referring to, but the "atomic transaction.. btc from x to y and Ztc from y to x all in one all-or-nothing TX, has supposedly been implemented by mercury exchange
funkenstein_: which unfortunately uses java 8, and when I was trying to test I didn't even get as far as building OpenJDK 8
assbot: XOtika.tv Bitcoin Live Adult Entertainment Reaches Beta | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1H7uUyT )
BingoBoingo: ^ Naphex
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00042231 = 12.3315 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up SuchWow
SuchWow: why hello there
SuchWow: i've been gone for 2-3 months, tl;dr me the best parts
assbot: The cost of shitogramming in Ossasepia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GBpHvE )
SuchWow: and what happened to fluffypony
SuchWow: oh, is still here
SuchWow: mainly i'm just curious
SuchWow: as to the current sentiment
SuchWow: overall
mircea_popescu: who were you again ?
mircea_popescu: !gettrust SuchWow
assbot: SuchWow is not registered in WoT.
SuchWow: I was a founding op of #dogecoin lol
SuchWow: and i've never been interested
SuchWow: in bot trust games lol
SuchWow: u can search ur logs for more, i've had a few mildly amusing exchanges here (not really tho
cazalla: SuchWow, is this the day where you check if #b-a is still around long after dogecoin was put to sleep?
SuchWow: cazalla: clearly you haven't been watching dogecoin charts, and even more clearly, you have no idea who i am.
SuchWow: or what i do, etc.
SuchWow: but have fun with your attempted cajoles lol
cazalla: SuchWow, you mean i don't know chinese exchanges pump it up with fake volume to fool westerners?
SuchWow: now i get why you only voice ppl under certain conditions
SuchWow: cazalla: if you say so, i really and honestly wouldn't know anything about that
cazalla: what conditions are they?
SuchWow: i dunno, you're here in this chan, i haven't been here for months
SuchWow: you tell me
SuchWow: you're the one making subtly degrading comments towards me based on total ignorance
SuchWow: so perhaps the rules have changed
SuchWow yawns
cazalla: people often up others that /join the channel.. sorta like answering a knock at the door? just being polite ya know, there is no judgement one way or the other until you open your mouth
ben_vulpes: altcoins are retarded, you're going to get prodded when you show up here pumping them.
ben_vulpes: big whoop.
SuchWow: cazalla: i've been upped over a dozen times here, thanks
SuchWow: it was not my idea to bring up altcoins in the discussion
SuchWow: someone asked who i was, i reminded them, and then you started in with ur bullshit
SuchWow: doesn't bother me at all tho tbh
ben_vulpes: heh. but you're here! who could resist taking a shot!
ben_vulpes: > ur bullshit
ben_vulpes: > doesn't bother me
ben_vulpes: mhhhhhhhm
SuchWow: well i'll be more clear
SuchWow: implying that i have knowledge of what he was saying
SuchWow: is the bullshit part
SuchWow: what he actually said cold be true,, i woudln't know lol
ben_vulpes: we all do is the funny part
SuchWow: i just saw one of your 'members' spamming in another chan
ben_vulpes: we're all complicit in the altcoin pump and dump nao!
SuchWow: and said 'hey, why not see what they'er up to'
ben_vulpes: winding up altcoiners, today
cazalla: SuchWow, you're the one that said check out the charts.. i did and btc38 is supposedly 85% of the dogecoin trade
SuchWow: since btc has returned to volatility again
SuchWow: and i l ike to trade 796 at 50:1 instead of playing poker these days
mircea_popescu: lol what, the proposition is that dogecoin still exists ?!
SuchWow: cazalla: pretty sure cryptsy is still #1, but haven't checked honestly
SuchWow: cazalla: my comment was more about you saying doge had been 'put to sleep'
SuchWow: when in reality it has returned close to 400% recently
cazalla: pretty sure but haven't checked.. ok sorta makes sense why you'd be involved in dogecoin to begin with
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> "i thought i killed it a year ago!"
SuchWow: cazalla: there you go again. Why do you think i am involved with dogecoin?
SuchWow: you keep using that as an insult
SuchWow: but i'm not involved with dogecoin
SuchWow: and haven't been for a long time
cazalla: SuchWow, you brought it up by bragging about being a founder of #dogecoin (wow, such bragworthy, not)
ben_vulpes: you're not anyone, how could you be involved with anything...
SuchWow: so keep on with that delusiohn. it would seem YOU know more than ME about it lol
SuchWow: cazalla: i was asked 'who are you again'
SuchWow: i answered
SuchWow: that's it
SuchWow: the rest wqas you
ben_vulpes: SuchWow: yeah who are you actually
SuchWow: dealwithit.jpg
williamdunne: SuchWow: You mentioned the dogecoin thing, I also assumed you're still involved
cazalla: umad.gif
SuchWow: well
SuchWow: 6 months ago when i was last here
SuchWow: that was what/who everyone knew me as
SuchWow: that is generally my reputation
cazalla: SuchWow, being involved in dogecoin at some point is not something you go around bragging
SuchWow: clearly it rings a bell to none of you
SuchWow: and you just keep asking me over and over lol
ben_vulpes: i tried to short it once
ben_vulpes: but i'm retarded so
SuchWow: i'm not bragging? i was answering a question asked of me
SuchWow: y'all dense as fuck
SuchWow: THAT is what (if anything) you would remember me from
SuchWow: and if you didn't want to know
SuchWow: you shouldn't have asked
SuchWow: hostile crowd here
mircea_popescu: well yeah.
cazalla: there is no hostility, you're just a little touchy
SuchWow: I'm the touchy one? LOL!!
ben_vulpes: lighten up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00042231 = 3.7797 BTC [+]
SuchWow: ok club
SuchWow: i've answered all of your questions
ben_vulpes: not really - who are you?
SuchWow: despite being accused of shit for doing so
SuchWow: nobody has answered my questions tho
SuchWow: lol
mircea_popescu: !rate SuchWow 1 answered all questions, still no idea who he is.
assbot: SuchWow is not registered in WoT.
ben_vulpes: aw what a shame.
mircea_popescu: !s suchwow
assbot: 263 results for 'suchwow' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=suchwow
ben_vulpes: try again in six months?
SuchWow: wut?
SuchWow: you don't read do you lol
SuchWow: [20:11:46] <+SuchWow> and i've never been interested
SuchWow: [20:11:49] <+SuchWow> in bot trust games lol
assbot: Logged on 23-08-2014 07:41:30; SuchWow: i've NEVER ONCE talked here lol\
SuchWow: not here, not -otc
SuchWow: yet i trade successfully for 2 years
SuchWow: without these things lol
mircea_popescu: so ? people cook successfully without running water and things
mircea_popescu: in nigeria.
cazalla: i can hold my breath under water for 30 seconds..
SuchWow: anyhow i will restate why i joined this chan again
SuchWow: one of your 'members' spammed an ad in another chan to join here
mircea_popescu: who where ?
SuchWow: i remembered being active here long ago
SuchWow: and decided to rejoin
SuchWow: upon joining, i asked what the current sentiment of btc was here
SuchWow: and then all this doge shit started up
ben_vulpes: oh that
ben_vulpes: "grumpy" i'd say
ben_vulpes: boost is all fucked up
assbot: #bitcoin-assets rules and regulations on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LdZQx4 )
cazalla: SuchWow, so you gonna paint the #b-a fence, wax the #b-a floor or wut?
SuchWow: from #bitcoin-pricetalk today: [17:47:39] <SevenX> join #bitcoin-assets
ben_vulpes: bitbet just lost a few months of profit
mircea_popescu: !s sevenx
assbot: 0 results for 'sevenx' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sevenx
ben_vulpes: oh but we have a new rss bot that's new
SuchWow: ben_vulpes: i feel ya, grumpy seems about right
mircea_popescu: the things that happen in the internets truck make me feel old and out of touch
SuchWow: and yes, i get this chan is professional, and above my head, that's why i left lol
mircea_popescu: so go play eulora
ben_vulpes: and i guess is deedbot new since you last were here?
SuchWow: again, it was just the spam that made me come back and say hi :)
mircea_popescu: no wait nm, need a rating for that.
ben_vulpes: aha zing
SuchWow: i really never was a super active participant
SuchWow: just a newb tryna learn :)
ben_vulpes: no man i have this remembory
ben_vulpes: of like
SuchWow: bitcoin is enough tho, adding securities on top of that, out of my league haha :)
SuchWow: doge recent performance has been pretty amazing tho
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
SuchWow: and i say that from an outside perspective
mod6: check out the /topic & read at least 6 months of logs.
SuchWow: got a real jobj 9 months ago
mircea_popescu: nbews in past 6 months : s.mpoe almost went to shit but recovered, i lost the berkshire bet, s.mg launched eulora, s.nsa's phuctor delivered 60 or so broken rsa moduli
SuchWow: work WAY too much to trade anymore
mircea_popescu: there's actually a LOT
SuchWow: nice lol
ben_vulpes: oh yeah mp lost the berkshire bet
mircea_popescu: deedbot came online,
SuchWow: anyhow i'll poof after the up goes down
SuchWow: is good to know y'all are still here and srs about shit
mircea_popescu: we got that lawsky schmuck fired,
ben_vulpes: don't go!
SuchWow: that in and of itself kinda answers my original question
mircea_popescu: gavin got shot in the head, cusipzzz got exposed
ben_vulpes: we're still regaling you with our victories
mircea_popescu: jesus god it's pages of shit.
SuchWow: right but
SuchWow: when will the bitcoin regs
SuchWow: be published in the weekly journal or whatev
ben_vulpes: !s cusipzzz
assbot: 14 results for 'cusipzzz' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cusipzzz
SuchWow: that's what i can't figure out
SuchWow: lol cuspizzz
SuchWow: i do like that guy
mircea_popescu: qntra is older than 6 months no ?
SuchWow: mr 'weekend tank'
ben_vulpes: SuchWow: you volunteering to summarize the court's proceedings?
SuchWow: srsly tho, only thing i can find
mircea_popescu: barelky older.
ben_vulpes: deedbot lol
SuchWow: is that nydfs is final once published
SuchWow: in that weekly register
SuchWow: when will that happen?
mircea_popescu: SuchWow nobody asked them anything.
ben_vulpes: who cares
SuchWow: everyone in btcland should?
SuchWow: because if rumors about china banning are relevant
SuchWow: than ACTUAL FACTS about regulation should be pertinent?
ben_vulpes: by the time the usg realizes that there's a btc-shaped train headed its way it will be too late for it to do anything.
mircea_popescu: i dun think you understand how teh btcworld works.
ben_vulpes: naw it'll be great SuchWow
ben_vulpes: we'll get to see btc users go to town on china
SuchWow: i think nobody knows the answer to my question lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15576 @ 0.00041577 = 6.476 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes chants "hash by hand. hash by hand."
SuchWow: and if nobody here knows that answer, than that tells me what i need to know lol
ben_vulpes: bitcoin-assets aka bitcoin doomsday cult
SuchWow: (i just trade btc/usd on 796 at 50:1 for gambling purposes)
SuchWow: way more fun than poker
ben_vulpes: repeat!
mircea_popescu: "main calls AppInit, which itself calls AppInit2 catching all exceptions in two seperate logic branches, shuting itself down if the second layer of AppInit doesn't fire correctly:"
SuchWow: i'm currently bullish, after a LONG time of being bearish
mircea_popescu: for crying out loud.
SuchWow: hence why i was curious as to the general sentiment here
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what!?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i just keep forgetting the horrest parts of bitcoin
ben_vulpes: it almost looks normal now
ben_vulpes: weep for me
mircea_popescu: then go through these phases of he's kidding no wait, wait, i recall this. but it couldn't be. o yes it is.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43996 @ 0.00041263 = 18.1541 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: mysterious BDB shenanigans on application shutdown << it doesn't have atomic index operations. which means, that it can has updated index but unupdated data.
SuchWow: i ofc assume that sentimentality on btc prices affects the securities tradded with it lol
mircea_popescu: at least that's what i understand of it.
ben_vulpes: ah CAddrDB("cr+").LoadAddresses(); i missed you
SuchWow: Anyhow, it's been a pleasure speaking with you all, and should I ever quit my job and start daytrading BTC/USD fulltime again, I will return. I will give back the last 2 minutes I have of being 'upped' to the floor. :)
ben_vulpes: you were keeping track?
SuchWow pours shots for everyone before he goes
ben_vulpes: this was a deliberately orchestrated event!
mircea_popescu: "Even though the application's default behavior is to create the ~/.bitcoind directory itself unprompted (and yet not the bitcoin.conf file that the damn thing expects in there), if you pass it a data directory that doesn't exist, it refuses to create it."
ben_vulpes: i feel hoodwinked.
ben_vulpes: i'm getting lazy with pronouns.
ben_vulpes: but it's hard to write well wearing asbestos gloves.
mircea_popescu: Bitcoind as written would be the best possible example of condescending software design if it were worthy of being called "designed" instead of "crufted together by a monotonically increasingly febrile group of contributors". << i can sign that.
SuchWow: BOTTOMS UP! CHEERS! KEEP FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT MEN! AND WOMEN! AND OTHERS! SEE YOU IN 2016 WHEN THIS SHIT GETS SUPER REAL :D
ben_vulpes: oh fuck off
ben_vulpes: !down SuchWow
mircea_popescu: ./proggy -? << iirc this is the old ms-dos standard.
mircea_popescu: because it had to be different from the -h convention
ben_vulpes: the cover
ben_vulpes: it is so complete
ben_vulpes: visual basic
ben_vulpes: old ms-dos cli flags
ben_vulpes: targeting windows
ben_vulpes: it's almost convincing
mircea_popescu: certainly nobody still young enough to pick up chicks would know wtf -?
mircea_popescu: (and no, i'm not an exception - i have to have the chicks pick up chicks for me!)
ben_vulpes: poor old man
ben_vulpes: poor, poor you
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes btw, as a matter of course articles like that should contain a "this is how you get your system to reproduce my screenshots" thing, with emacs settings etc.
mircea_popescu: help people learn the shit you use makes more people use the shit you use makes you less likely to have to learn shit other people use.
ben_vulpes: e for student
ben_vulpes: exercise*
mircea_popescu: it doth not have the great degree of generality that a good exercise makes.
ben_vulpes: M-x gdb
ben_vulpes: okay okay
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes and yet, author knows enough to use strprintf rather than any other of the countless vulnerable c string things
mircea_popescu: in which aspect c is very much like php
assbot: Dynamic Strings in C ... ( http://bit.ly/1GBrSiV )
ben_vulpes: does argue for a rather sophisticated greybeard
ben_vulpes: the most elaborate programming exercise - write something world-changing in a style nobody would ever attribute to you
mircea_popescu: myeah. it just doesn't wash, half the "expert" population of c-ers doesn't actually comprehend c string safety
mircea_popescu: (admitting such exists)
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes incidentally is http://cascadianhacker.com/headers/headlights.jpg a muntz rocket ?
assbot: just another day in sunny cascadia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GBsFQN )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: muntz the car brand or muntz the guy who made TVs?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.00040941 = 12.3232 BTC [-] {5}
ben_vulpes: either way, no
ben_vulpes: unless you're making a sophisticated joke about horsepower and snipping arbitrary cables...
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes he also made a car.
mircea_popescu: like 1000 or so ever made. valuable antique now
mircea_popescu: but yeah, doesn't actually look like it
mircea_popescu: !up ahmed_
ben_vulpes: yeah, i was looking at that.
ahmed_: ty
ben_vulpes: pretty
mircea_popescu: ahmed_ sure. who're you ?
mircea_popescu: not the dead terrorist i hope ?
ben_vulpes: heh - onlytruecars.com does redirect shenanigans
ahmed_: hahahahahah
ahmed_: nopeee
ahmed_: just a fellow bitcoin user
ben_vulpes: who /is/ running a public node?
ahmed_: i am
mircea_popescu: "i'm the live terrorist, mutha! PEW PEW PEW!!!"
mircea_popescu: ;;ud what vulps said
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Palintology&page=2 | It is believed they held a peculiarly close relationship with the species vulpes ... A mindset which doesn't allow someone to stop saying the same things over and ...
mircea_popescu: palintology. clearly.
ben_vulpes: "what could go wrong"
ben_vulpes: anyways these newly muntzed nodes dun wanna connect to anything off of irc
mircea_popescu: what's in the log ?
mircea_popescu: (it is possibru nothing much still runs on irc)
ben_vulpes: not much useful. standard boot up and then silence.
mircea_popescu: does it attempt to connect to anything ?
mircea_popescu: wireshark it
mircea_popescu: SPY ON IT!!1
cazalla: chark is hongry
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19945 @ 0.00040649 = 8.1074 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [VICE] presents-- *Nug Up or Shut Up* --...(real Joe Rogan selfsuck Humiliation Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5AGjk )
ben_vulpes: i'm trying to reason about it first.
ben_vulpes: reasoning about software?
ben_vulpes: BIG MISTAKE
ben_vulpes: on the topic of the cost of complexity tossed in because someone doesn't understand things
mircea_popescu: beat it first.
mod6: ben_vulpes: what version & patches & os?
mircea_popescu: reason comes after tears.
ben_vulpes: now i have to load the IRC protocol up into my head to figure out precisely how it's derivsupposed to turn IRC connections into peers
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7wczaIQqx1ryqodxo1_1280.jpg << here's the famous hyperborean stone whale. speshul for cazalla
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes just looks at hostnames from /who list and spams them
ben_vulpes: mod6: everything up through thermonyuuke
mod6: ah
mircea_popescu: also scarfs up join messages.
mod6: ben_vulpes: & ubuntu?
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i like em thick but maybe not that big (i'd still hit it)
cazalla: if i can see ribs when she reaches for the sky, she needs a good meal before we bang
cazalla: mind you, this is all theory, i've been banging the same tired old hole for years
mircea_popescu: ribs are notbad either.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10055 @ 0.0004042 = 4.0642 BTC [-]
mod6: re: slutennis "Wouldn't you watch a sport like that ?" << f yes.
mod6: for sure.
mircea_popescu: pay per view!
mod6: *nod*
mircea_popescu: people^H preachin' retards keep getting in the way of women doing the soirt of shit that'd make them awesome.
mircea_popescu: i guarantee you nobody's saying anything to the slutennis champ but "ma'am"
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i mean something like this where you see the rib cage under the titties http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/12/29/2451CDB900000578-2890613-image-m-146_1419893680953.jpg
mod6: foxtail would command respect for sure.
mircea_popescu: cazalla the problem with her is that no tits. if she had d+ knockers the ribcage'd be a +
mircea_popescu: mod6 and the thing is, that arrangement'd pretty much kill anyone but a young woman.
mircea_popescu: sweat to death in that casing. plus fucking heels.
mod6: yeah, that shoes might be the problem. but... war is hell.
mod6: :D
mod6: girls would have to do cart-wheels to get to a ball on the otherside of the court as opposed to running.
mircea_popescu: holy shit prolly.
mircea_popescu: they'd need special "always ready" cartwheel gloves
mircea_popescu: to protect fingers while doing it with a raquet
mod6: ah, yeah. hmm. didn't consider that.
mircea_popescu: nuts tho. i hadn't realised cartwheels'd necessarily be a big part.
mircea_popescu: in other news, i still dunno what event to do next for eulora.
mod6: the skirts could have a quick "clasp" or some sort of attachment mechinism to keep hands free while cart-wheeling.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, but how many skinny girls have D+ cups? (natural not implants with a gap larger than my front fucking teeth)
mod6: oh I vote for the trip to magial places on the island.
mircea_popescu: cazalla few. but man...
cazalla: creating a bitbet.. micon cops a plea deal.. does anyone think prior to 2016 is a fair time scale?
mircea_popescu: he definitely will tho. who's gonna bet against you
cazalla: who knows.. and he might plea but not agree to do so this year
ben_vulpes: mod6: ya, tis ubuntu
mircea_popescu: mebbe i guess
ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000043.html << i have a hunch we're going to see approximately the same ratio in irc
mircea_popescu: just about.
ben_vulpes: are there some scripts kicking around for connecting to arbitrary nodes?
mircea_popescu: replace the file where bitcoin saves its nodes with your own preference.
assbot: ayeowch/bitnodes · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5CKYN )
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: sorry, unclear. scripts for crawling/pinging nodes.
mircea_popescu: what's wrong with alf's ?
ben_vulpes: that one on the list?
mircea_popescu: well yeah
ben_vulpes: i dunno man i just like reading a bunch of different approaches
mircea_popescu: esp if you wish to compare stuff to its results or w/e
mircea_popescu: chrome is seriously taking over the internets.
mircea_popescu: we're getting another microsoft over here.
trinque: big time
trinque: can be amusing to think of chrome as a google rootkit
trinque: rather than competing with microsoft or apple in the OS space, they just snuck their way in with their own OS
mircea_popescu: i see it ~40%. with the next two TOGETHER at 40%.
mircea_popescu: definitely got it. and im sure some idiot "woman in tech" a la carly fiorina is going to bring a shittier apple itunes store on it
trinque: read some article where they said this is *precisely* what WebAssembly is
trinque: an answer to the app store thing from google
trinque: even though yeah, they've got the android one
mircea_popescu: android thing was just a decoy.
mats: plus side, crimeware never escapes the sandbox.
mircea_popescu: minus side, nothing other than crimeware's worth doing anymore.
ben_vulpes: ALL SOFTWARE IS CRIMEWARE
mats: rude
ben_vulpes: COWER CITIZENS
trinque: to think, people will be able to play oculus angry birds right from facebook
trinque: and they say progress is dead
mats: anybody have any idea wtf this reactive programming stuff is
mats: and plz no buzz words
mircea_popescu: mats mostly "oo v2.0"
mats: oo as in... object oriented?
mircea_popescu: yeah. the previous buzzword wankatron
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10145 @ 0.00040319 = 4.0904 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Have yet another new-old machine
BingoBoingo: 2009 vintage acer laptop, single core amd 64 proccessor 3GB ram.... Disadvantages: Huge
mircea_popescu: "advantages : vibrates pleasantly"
BingoBoingo: advantage: was free
mircea_popescu: can't argue with that.
BingoBoingo: ascquaintance was moving and did not want to move this HUGE thing
asciilifeform: ;;late tell ben_vulpes what happened to posting debug.log
gribble: Error: "late" is not a valid command.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell ben_vulpes what happened to posting debug.log
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: a too big to move laptop.
BingoBoingo: Well, he's moving into his girlfriend's place and long ago she bought him a bunch of Apple shit to replace it so indeed too big to move laptop
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: pardon?
cazalla: come with a hdd? burn it with fire BingoBoingo lol
ben_vulpes: oh, you want to see debug.log
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i see in the logs where you had a node fail to snarf seed from the old irc
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Looks like the original 160 GB hard drive. I'll probably end up applicancing it into a node
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171410 << 'chrome' (or, more practically, the open-source trimmable version 'chromium') is the only remaining graphical browser for unixlikes that isn't screamingly retarded
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 02:05:08; mircea_popescu: chrome is seriously taking over the internets.
trinque: asciilifeform: still comes with tasty binary treats, apparently
assbot: dpaste: 3GFCEPM ... ( http://bit.ly/1IYn5sO )
trinque: or at least they're leaking through
asciilifeform: trinque: that's what the shears are for
asciilifeform: trinque: also help to run on weird archs
ben_vulpes: the irc "logic" is mind-numbingly dumb
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: be so kind as to try an experiment. ping the box whose hostname i snipped out. notice - not same ip. replace ip in irc.cpp with this. then run.
ben_vulpes: i actually did not notice this.
asciilifeform: i noticed.
ben_vulpes: ahaha i am so dumb.
ben_vulpes: no, i noticed the snip. i figured smarts were involves.
ben_vulpes: involved*.
asciilifeform: l0l smarts
asciilifeform reads the latest two articles from ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: you'll not find much in there.
BingoBoingo: At least will find nice headlights in the header
asciilifeform: mega-vroom
asciilifeform: incidentally, anyone who owns old cars and frequents mechanics would have to be blind to suggest that usd is not palpably inflating
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170972 << btw, anybody got a handy link to what precisely generates the message seen here ?
assbot: Logged on 21-06-2015 21:18:37; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/0RT585M.txt << still getting calls to getaddrinfo it looks like
asciilifeform: as in, is this a hardcoded idiocy in gcc proper ? its linker ? where ?
asciilifeform: a #pragma in glibc ?
assbot: Static Linking Considered Harmful ... ( http://bit.ly/1IYonUC )
asciilifeform: !s drepper
assbot: 4 results for 'drepper' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=drepper
trinque: !up fartacus
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu awake ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35400 @ 0.00041125 = 14.5583 BTC [+]
fartacus: ben_vulpes: this beirc seems like another one of those "hey cool, made something that works in clim. I think I'll go get a job now" projects
ben_vulpes: lol hi fartacus
trinque: I'm fartacus!
fartacus: thing wasn't even showing chan text without switching out of and back into the buffer
fartacus: but I bet it's sexy under the hood
ben_vulpes: ahaha
ben_vulpes: or if anyone gave a shit and implemented it on allegro it might work
ben_vulpes: but who's going to implement a clim irc client on allegro
ben_vulpes: p sure we all have vastly better things to be doing
asciilifeform: closed-source toolchains can go die in a fire
asciilifeform and has used allegro, and knows that it is, overall, superior in every way (but this) to the available alternatives
thestringpuller: too many softwares named allegra
thestringpuller: allegro*
assbot: Bug #134400 “glibc do not really static compile my project.” : Bugs : glibc package : Ubuntu ... ( http://bit.ly/1H4hmSN )
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: better in every way but source-open-ness?
thestringpuller: http://alleg.sourceforge.net/ << asciilifeform is the 2nd result from google, assuming you guise are talking about lisp
thestringpuller: but i am assuming*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44400 @ 0.00040389 = 17.9327 BTC [-] {4}
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: ~nothing whatsoever~ to do with allegro common lisp (franz inc.)
asciilifeform: which was the subject here
asciilifeform: (very confusingly, there was also a 'franz lisp')
assbot: Allegro Common Lisp ... ( http://bit.ly/1H4hDoQ )
asciilifeform: http://franz.com/success << claimed endorsements. notably absent from list is usg, who i have strong reasons to believe is the main buyer.
assbot: Franz Inc: Allegro Common Lisp and Common Lisp Products ... ( http://bit.ly/1H4hO3B )
ben_vulpes: same is true for the major haskell shops.
asciilifeform personally requisitioned an allegro license & support contract while under usg banners
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: and how was it?
asciilifeform: spiffy.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: USG is on that list plenty of times.
asciilifeform: hm, it is, isn't it.
BingoBoingo: Indeed, under many pretexts including a lab with explicit Air Force connection
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes.
asciilifeform: (some fella went and dug)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The Todd replace by fee patch is probably derp to hell, but it leads to some of the best Hearnia trolling outside this channel https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/612780261109960704
BingoBoingo: "AntPool just missed out on 4.644BTC/$1128USD worth of transaction fees because they weren't mining with full-RBF"
asciilifeform: what even was this?
asciilifeform does not, sadly, have time to personally follow all of the crackpotteries
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Hearn and Co are pushing some derp where "Those Bitcoins are yours even before the transaction is mined" idiocies
asciilifeform: how does it (claim to) work ?
ben_vulpes: broadcast a transaction with a higher fee, miners will include it preferentially to a previous transaction with the same inputs
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform:
ben_vulpes: nevermind that nothing keeps people from selecting transactions for block inclusion arbitrarily
BingoBoingo: The Tood thing works through pure profit incentive
ben_vulpes: myeah, and miners should really be doing it already
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, BingoBoingo: what is so peculiar about including whatever transaction fee? this was always possible ..?
ben_vulpes: it is in no way to the best of my knowledge a change in anything of import
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's basically just Peter Todd made the first public code available to do this
asciilifeform: to do what?
ben_vulpes: convention for a long time was that "the earliest broadcast transaction wins" as some sort of half-assed soft-connsensus-aka-fecal-matter prophylactic against double spends
BingoBoingo: Select for fees
BingoBoingo: on the same inputs
asciilifeform: i don't get it. anyone was already able to specify arbitrarily high fee
asciilifeform sorta assumed that miners already optimize for snarfing up max fee
BingoBoingo: Indeed, but whatever fee maximizing patches miners and pools were running for were like most serious pool code... seekrit
asciilifeform: if they don't, they are fools, and it isn't any fault of mine
asciilifeform: let me guess:
ben_vulpes: prefer transactions with high fees over transactions with low fees
asciilifeform: shitgang is trying to push a 'for miners' version of turdcoin ?
ben_vulpes: it's about inclusion logic after transactions got broadcast
BingoBoingo: Apparently enough pools though were on derp and herp choosing "see first mine first"
asciilifeform: aimed to replace 'seekrit miner versions'
BingoBoingo: Pretty much
asciilifeform: unsurprising
ben_vulpes: me too
ben_vulpes: look how dumb we are
asciilifeform: i can picture the minutes. 'hitler: you know, miners are using own versions of bitcoin and don't particular feel like backporting their necessary mods to yours. hearn: so let's do the work for them. gavin: fine idea'
ben_vulpes: clearly don't understand how theWerld Werks (tm)
asciilifeform: btw, one of the (not so) secrets is that mining does not select for 'the brightest bulbs at home depot [u.s. household goods shop]' - nor for political acumen, nor for really much else other than the peculiar countereconomic wormholes which make it sound like a reasonable proposition
ben_vulpes: moreover i'm not convinced it wasn't a stooge who broadcast the RBF txn to make the tweet in the first place
ben_vulpes: mining is the worst business.
ben_vulpes: (or so it seems from the outside).
ben_vulpes: maybe its the best busines for pillaging some specific kinds of subsidies?
ben_vulpes for bread and cheese
trinque: probably depends on whether you have a relationship with someone making the hardware
trinque eyeballs the big chinese mining farms
asciilifeform: mainly on whether you actually pay for the mains current
trinque: yeah obv free power wins
trinque: someone should alias meadenodes.com to xtnodes.com
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171397 << mno. if it's in the channel, it is a live pre-gavin node (OR crafted impostor...)
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 01:59:36; ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000043.html << i have a hunch we're going to see approximately the same ratio in irc
asciilifeform: but in no case a corpse
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 02:00:31; ben_vulpes: are there some scripts kicking around for connecting to arbitrary nodes?
assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/init.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1RnKLZD )
asciilifeform: or do i misunderstand what was being asked for.
BingoBoingo: I am starting to think "Olde Laptop Colo" might make a nice franchised business
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: pre-emplaced in sand pits and fused mains wiring, for the inevitable halt&catchfire ?
asciilifeform: perhaps bury them in the earth (with chimneys for hot air.) sorta like the tombs in recoleta cemetary in buenos aires
asciilifeform: (a surprising number had corpse-gas exhaust pipes!)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes was there, saw this
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Individual enclosures, one time setup fee which covers adapting the machine to its new cooling and power situation
asciilifeform: incidentally earth is great for passive cooling
asciilifeform: (if burial is deep enough)
asciilifeform: you will need to seal to keep out moisture, but if repair is not a concern (machine is disposable, replacement gets new burial plot) this is relatively simple matter
asciilifeform: though i still like my proposal for sinking miners to the bottom of the north atlantic, more.
asciilifeform: (go and steal, aha)
BingoBoingo: I'm thinking more steel sheds, rural locations that happen to be near interections of big city fiber. Prospective franchisees would be the local small town "computer repair" folk
asciilifeform: nah, you want to take serious advantage of the expendability
asciilifeform: but in such a way that the box lives out its remaining life, rather than being lifted by the first idiot copper scavenger who comes along.
asciilifeform: (not because valuable, but because copper scavengers need to be publicly flayed rather than encouraged)
BingoBoingo: Sure, but I'm thinking you do so by getting machines from the customers.
BingoBoingo: customer brings boxen, pay setup then power+pipe. Value proposition to franchisees is small town computer outfit gets an avenue to engage in rent collection.
asciilifeform: if box is easily accessible, 'skin not worth the tanning'
asciilifeform: whole point would be the physical security of a few metres of cement
asciilifeform: (it is possible to break up cement, but not without anyone noticing. this is the basic principle for the nuke test-ban compliance gadget used on both sides of the ocean)
asciilifeform: see the literature.
asciilifeform: (machine includes vibration, ph, sensors, clinometer, magnetometer, etc. if readings deviate from 'pylon is happily alone in the earth' memory gets zeroed and walked over, continuously)
BingoBoingo: Point for the customers is access to pipe and power off of their own premises. Physical security offered against naive scavengers, but premise could scale to hundreds of locations. Cheap and easily replicable
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: schmucks in, iirc, germany, doing this already. see logs
asciilifeform: snorefest because this has literally no serious advantage over normal hosting
asciilifeform: (if i wanted a box in some schmuck's house, i'd put it right here in mine)
asciilifeform: but five metres of cement - or 500m of salt water - that would be something.
BingoBoingo: Typical imagined customer is small business that wants to support other local business. Connosieur customer wants access to pipe without fucking up their netflix at home.
asciilifeform: so he would share with ~some other schmuck's~ netflix ?
asciilifeform: this has all the appeal of renting out the toilet in your house as a public latrine
BingoBoingo: lol, yes
asciilifeform: or your kitchen, as a place for bums to cook roadkill in
mats: brb submitting my ycombinator application for this idea
BingoBoingo: mats: Go for it
asciilifeform: 'sharing economy!!11!!1' (tm) (r)
BingoBoingo: Seriously, this has all the promise of a great chumpatron except every now and then a customer does something worthwhile
asciilifeform: btw, my local telco quasimonopoly - 'verizon' - had a hilarious tamer version of this for some years, where you pay a few hundy for a box that opens a vpn to their end and gives you cell signal in your house, via your own net pipe. and they had the audacity to still charge for the 'minutes' and per MB of data.
asciilifeform: as result, the only folks who bought were 1) chumps 2) people who wanted to make own 'stingray'
mats: that's kind of brilliant
asciilifeform: vendor very much did not like (2) and they closed the hole which made reflashing the rom trivial. now you have to actually open the plastic box, oh noez.
mats: for operator, anyway
asciilifeform: who wants - go, buy.
asciilifeform: thing is still sold.
BingoBoingo: femtocel
assbot: Samsung Network Extender (SCS-2U01)- Verizon Wireless ... ( http://bit.ly/1RnOmqs )
asciilifeform: i'm told there are equivalents for other american carriers
BingoBoingo: I think Comcast and a few cableco's do this for wifi
BingoBoingo: Major revenue source for mothership is selling the franchisees laptop cages, cooling, and FeNi batteries
BingoBoingo: Revenue source for franchisee is setting up machines, collecting rent, and selling good feels to the locals
asciilifeform: if the past 40 years of computer retardation hadn't happened, and we used a stack with support for seamless process migration, 'voting circuit' computation, etc. it would be practical to use '1024 chickens' arrays of arbitrarily garbage hardware
asciilifeform: as it is, there is a lower bound for what is worth bothering with at all.
asciilifeform: what, other than bitcoind, would you even consider putting on such a thing
BingoBoingo: Actually this idea was born from I have phree machine, want to appliance it up with Bitcoind, but making it a super public seeder on the home connection would be the suck.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8974 @ 0.00039974 = 3.5873 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: rent a cage at data center
asciilifeform: this costs money, so find 40 friends to split it with
BingoBoingo: Other maybe applications of such service though might be IRC bouncers and personal mail machines
asciilifeform: (typically they go by full rack)
BingoBoingo: Which is the beauty of this idea. Find folk who would sell fractional rackspace
BingoBoingo: AirBNB the datacenter
asciilifeform: fractional rack space with terrible hardware already exists
asciilifeform: i have a few boxes like this myself
asciilifeform: thing is, what you're actually paying for is proximity to respectable pipe
asciilifeform: this is not to be found in a residential unit, and certainly not in usa
BingoBoingo: And now we have the real crux of the problem. How to get chumps to subsidize serious pipe
asciilifeform: brings back to a fundamental point from one of mircea_popescu's articles - shuffling things around is not going to increase 'number of turkeys available'
asciilifeform: usa is a shit-internet country. this won't change because there is no good reason for it to change
BingoBoingo: More turkeys is a very hard problem. More chickens is much easier.
asciilifeform: laying cable to nowhere-duelingbajos-fucktown is not an economically +ev proposition.
asciilifeform: places which only even have telephones because usg imposed it
asciilifeform: desovietization will leave those folks where they belong - with highest tech level available being the hog harness
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