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assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1KjEf5W )
assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1KjEdv5 )
assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1KjEfmq )
assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1KjEfmy )
mircea_popescu: i feel very welcomed :D
asciilifeform: didn't somebody volunteer to weld that thing to #b-a ticker ?
agorecki: Why do I still have voice after an hour and a half?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform william dunne
mircea_popescu: agorecki you're special like that.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157021 << the traditional form of the crime in usa involves borrowing gigantic sums in the victim's name
assbot: Logged on 08-06-2015 03:14:44; mircea_popescu: and worked it like the old style porn scams, just keep billing all your ccs
asciilifeform: (most u.s. folk aren't 'good' for much else scam-wise)
asciilifeform: notably, afaik in all states that have government lotteries, folks trying to quit gambling habit can ask themselves to be place on permanent list of folks who will never be allowed to claim winnings. but one cannot, apparently, do this for the mortgage racker.
asciilifeform: i, for instance, would much like to publicly register as 'anyone who walks in with my name and slave serial number and tries to take a mortgage, ever, is to be shot immediately'
mircea_popescu: even if gpg signed ?
mircea_popescu: deedbot- <
asciilifeform: that just means fucker killed me and took my key.
decimation: asciilifeform: usia is not a land of 'exit'
mircea_popescu: protestant idiocy, this.
asciilifeform: for most of us, just one exit - up the chimney.
mircea_popescu: "you can never be expelled - ever!11"
asciilifeform: just like in that other usa.
mircea_popescu: tyvm, but maybe i wanna be expelled sometime.
asciilifeform: in other news,
asciilifeform: learned that you can still buy newly-minted cdp1802!
assbot: CDP1802A ... ( http://bit.ly/1MAzN27 )
asciilifeform: (bring heavy bag of usd)
mircea_popescu: they actually fly with them ?!
asciilifeform: since 1976.
asciilifeform: can get it on sapphire, too.
asciilifeform: had some very interesting features found, afaik, in no other cpu
asciilifeform: like defaulting to 'key instructions in by hand without glue logic for keypad' mode
assbot: RCA COSMAC VIP ... ( http://bit.ly/1MAAus8 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84800 @ 0.00034962 = 29.6478 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.00035127 = 10.1517 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: found an ubuntu partition on my ancient mac
ben_vulpes: doesn't support tap-to-click
ben_vulpes: more open source hurray
ben_vulpes: and the update manager nags me about 14.04 every time i run apt-get
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00035127 = 4.2855 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.00035127 = 8.8344 BTC [+]
jurov: catholics have better system. we can do anything as long as we confess with genuine remorse afterwards.
jurov: it's not so hard to feel such after, say, reading trilema
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2M07W8Z.txt )
shinohai: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 225.48, Best ask: 225.49, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 225.48, 24 hour volume: 20916.25266725, 24 hour low: 222.29, 24 hour high: 225.99, 24 hour vwap: None
assbot: Victoria proposes forcing suspected radicalised teenagers into programs | Australia news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1QhoyBi )
cazalla: another state, Queensland, has something similar whereby bikies are not permitted to associate with other bikies even if no crime has previously or is planned to be committed
shinohai: That sounds more Canadian than Australian ...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65300 @ 0.00035052 = 22.889 BTC [-]
cazalla: aeroplane tatt.. i think that's a first for me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00035127 = 4.4611 BTC [+]
shinohai: Because she's gonna wreck you like 9/11
davout: cazalla: i'd totally request a clearance
cazalla: kamikaze!
davout: "Requesting clearance to land in runway charlie uniform mike november!!1"
davout: "correction, charlie uniform november tango"
davout: derp
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27150 @ 0.00035127 = 9.537 BTC [+]
jurov: davout, you're still trying osx eulora?
jurov: ben_vulpes failed miserably
davout: jurov: no, i have a proper box nao
assbot: Gameplay - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1FKSeeT )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53400 @ 0.00035127 = 18.7578 BTC [+]
assbot: DakotaChiliBeans comments on Block Size Conservatives - Build Your Alternatives, Then We Won't Have To Lift Again ... ( http://bit.ly/1IxQA7s )
wyrdmantis: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 359988 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 875 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 1 hour, 50 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
wyrdmantis: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 359990 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 873 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 1 hour, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48871674432.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.69404
BingoBoingo: !up justanotheruser
jurov: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so far have 733k phathub rsa keys, of these 19 have factors 3,5,17 or 23
jurov: if my code is correct, that is
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63417 @ 0.00034622 = 21.9562 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: jurov: phathub ?
jurov: github :D
jurov: now doing second batch, there is a dude with ALL keys broken
jurov: O.o
jurov: second batch results 795857 keys, 4 bad, 46 phucked total.
jurov: interesting that 641 nor 6700417 appeared, only smaller primes
jurov: *not appeared
jurov: only interim results, it's still slurping the keys. ofc there will be writeup
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 218714 @ 0.00034603 = 75.6816 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40517 @ 0.0003457 = 14.0067 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 181300 @ 0.00034567 = 62.67 BTC [-] {2}
wyrdmantis: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 359999 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 864 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 2 hours, 1 minute, and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48815290596.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.57556
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00034561 = 11.4397 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: good mornin' assets!
jurov: hello mircea
mircea_popescu: is eulora nothing but a wall of claims yet ?
jurov: yes
jurov: bots are already considered
mircea_popescu: ima put up a job later for irc/freenode integration in chat, just fyi.
mod6: morning mircea_popescu
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00035127 = 9.4843 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: awww and i thought it was surely going to break 40
assbot: Logged on 08-06-2015 08:30:28; jurov: it's not so hard to feel such after, say, reading trilema
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157097 << i can see this. make him live with half a dozen highschool dropouts and fuck them at least five times a day (each). a few weeks later... what radical omfg.
mircea_popescu: gives employment to the otherwise useless schoolage aussies too.
assbot: Logged on 08-06-2015 10:21:33; shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/HqiVVtj.jpg
assbot: Logged on 08-06-2015 10:51:10; davout: "correction, charlie uniform november tango"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157120 << yeah dude totally. buncha hitchhikers move into your house then they're all "dudes, just build your ALTERNATIVE HOUSE then we won't have to you knwo, go sleep in jail tonight"
mircea_popescu: right. i can totally see this "argument".
assbot: Logged on 08-06-2015 12:48:13; jurov: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so far have 733k phathub rsa keys, of these 19 have factors 3,5,17 or 23
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157138 << you basically running a phuctor-for-rsa on your own ? give it a site!
assbot: Logged on 08-06-2015 13:21:12; jurov: only interim results, it's still slurping the keys. ofc there will be writeup
mircea_popescu: shinohai shit son, that's her DAUGHTER is it ?!
shinohai: Mother/daughter is the ultimate win if somehow you work yourself into that scenario.
davout: shinohai: right
mircea_popescu: davout knows.
davout: more the "amplified nagging" side than the sexual one tbh
jurov: mircea_popescu: just slurping keys using github api and trying some small factor on them. i don't have capacity to full GCD
mircea_popescu: davout obv.
mircea_popescu: jurov a ok. well phuctor propers like what, 1/5 done or so. will add your lot then for sure.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, kinda interesting from an anthropological perspective that on one hand fucking your nubile daughter aside her mother in a steaming session is a closely held taboo, but generally speaking fucking OTHER PEOPLE's adolescent daughters is a closely held ideal.
mircea_popescu: basically if you have a gated community of people who all have 19 yo daughters, everybody has to sleep at the neighbour's!
assbot: Logged on 08-06-2015 15:23:01; jurov: mircea_popescu: just slurping keys using github api and trying some small factor on them. i don't have capacity to full GCD
mircea_popescu: how's teh fields this fine morning alf ?
ascii_field: plough rusted, cleaning.
mircea_popescu: well, at least be thankful you're not one thousand chickens.
ascii_field: one of approximately 6
ascii_field: (oxen)
mircea_popescu: hey, that used to be the golden standard historically!
ascii_field: jurov: in no case is trial division more efficient than gcd(n, product-of-a-bunch-of-primes)
mircea_popescu: he can get results of the form "which moduli divisible by 19" using less memory.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: nearly same amount
mircea_popescu: well no because he doesn't have to keep the product
jurov: trying all first 10k primes on all keys still went in short time and got no bigger factors than 100 anyway
mircea_popescu: his report that there are no keys divisible by M kinda blew my mind
ascii_field: jurov: which keys were these again ?
mircea_popescu: he scrapped github
jurov: ssh pubkeys from github
mircea_popescu: think about it alf. no M. how could this be.
ascii_field looks in log, does not find this
assbot: Logged on 08-06-2015 13:17:23; jurov: interesting that 641 nor 6700417 appeared, only smaller primes
mircea_popescu: m is a composite of those two
jurov: moment. i have stopped trying at first found divisor
ascii_field: ah that m
mircea_popescu: which m didja think ?!
jurov: so it's possible they are still there
ascii_field: i doubt that we'll see the same 'mirroring' trick re: ssh keys, as it is a creature of the old-fashioned 32-bit fingerprint in pre-civilized pgptron
ascii_field: (at least, as an attack it makes sense there)
mircea_popescu: a number of explanations are readily available : a) M works on specific code that happened to be wrung out of openssh codebase somehow. differential reading of gpg and openssh should indicate it then, and patch history should show us who knows better.
mircea_popescu: b) M is really the product of breakage, that didn't occur there. or of trollage, that idem.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu, jurov: worth looking to see what, if anything, the small-factored ssh keys have in common
mircea_popescu: jurov oh i see. how hard would it be to try for 641 specifically ? then if found try 6700417
jurov: i'm retrying for alll these primes
jurov: already got key id 11201072: factor [2, 17, 43, 47, 373, 443]
jurov: for example
ascii_field: jurov: i suggest hex dump of all of the small-factored moduli
mircea_popescu: well he said he was gonna do a write-up
ascii_field: you are very likely to notice patterns
jurov: yes, i should have all keys fetched in day or two
jurov: (it's running since june 2)
jurov: they have api limit 6000/hour
ascii_field: in related news,
assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1dXUF7V )
assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1dXUF83 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00035273 = 8.9241 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: RCA 1802E - VisualChips ... ( http://bit.ly/1GuWW6V )
jurov: damn i miscalculated, github has 12m users, not 1.2m
jurov: this will go on for much longer time
punkman: jurov, maybe ask that guy I linked for a bunch of them?
punkman: he was scraping for a year or something
jurov: bunch ot what?
jurov: *of
punkman: github keys
jurov: yes but he wrote there were bad keys, whoich github removed on june 1st
jurov: better have the dataset without them
jurov: what would help, if you generate an api key and give it to me
jurov: so that i can scrape in parallel
jurov: it needs not to have any special permissions, just public access (as selected on the key screen by default)
danielpbarron: so uncheck all the boxes?
jurov: lemme see
danielpbarron: i see a box called "read:public_key"
jurov: try unchecking everything. my works even without "read: public key"
jurov: oh it says "scopes limit access"
jurov: so you should check everything except "read:public_key"
jurov: danielpbarron: thanks, it works
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 312 @ 0.00497048 = 1.5508 BTC [-]
assbot: 0xAX/linux-insides · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1dqYbXw )
assbot: v0id s3curity: Rebuilding ELF from Coredump ... ( http://bit.ly/1dqYkud )
mircea_popescu: hanbot make him one would you.
assbot: BLE Fun With Ubertooth: Sniffing Bluetooth Smart and Cracking Its Crypto ... ( http://bit.ly/1dqYjX6 )
assbot: POWERS - Beat Of My Drum by POWERS | Free Listening on SoundCloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1j46K )
assbot: G7 summit: 125 extra UK military trainers to be sent to Iraq - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1j6eG )
mats: this along with FIFA corruption is apparently top items on the G7 agenda!!!
mats: http://malwaretech.net/MTSBK.pdf 'A Firmware Assisted Bootkit'
mats: was kinda expecting .gr to switch over to the drachma this weekend
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41800 @ 0.00035287 = 14.75 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: today in mat's security world :D
mats: san diego was nice
mats: pacific beach has black and gold sand o_O
assbot: Facts speak for China's human rights progress - Xinhua | English.news.cn ... ( http://bit.ly/1dr0U3r )
mircea_popescu: xinhua being the state news agency
trinque: chained to a dungeon wall, still bothers to suck in her belly for the shot
trinque: haha
mats: i don't see this news item on the cn side
mats: loled
trinque: woah, that tumblr got myspaced
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.00496646 = 3.7248 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62900 @ 0.00035299 = 22.2031 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 356 @ 0.00496483 = 1.7675 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 394 @ 0.00495292 = 1.9515 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34641 @ 0.00035879 = 12.4288 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27859 @ 0.00036164 = 10.0749 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: hanbot thanks!
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
asciilifeform: wtf expiring session bullshit
mats: fun fact: x86 is little endian because it ultimately descends from an architecture that did arithmetic serially, one bit at a time, and handling carries was considered cleaner that way.
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 287 @ 0.00494518 = 1.4193 BTC [-] {5}
danielpbarron: !up Jef91
Jef91: Thanks danielpbarron
danielpbarron: so if you're interested in that .deb thing, you'll want to talk to mircea_popescu and jurov
Jef91: Building a simple deb package isn't difficult
jurov: ok, i hear you
danielpbarron: Jef91, do you have a gpg key by any chance?
Jef91: danielpbarron, I do not.
danielpbarron: for the clarity of log readers, the .deb thing is regarding eulora, and Jef91 works with bodhi linux
danielpbarron: he offered to list eulora as a "featured item" in their games section, provided it has a .deb installer
jurov: he's fine with ~400M bag that plops itself into /opt?
jurov: and i'm currently set up on ubuntu 14
Jef91: jurov, yea thats fine. That is basically what our libreoffice installers do
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00034674 = 13.4882 BTC [-]
jurov: ok. and do you know that new eulora accounts require one to come here, register with gpg and get a rating?
mircea_popescu: hello Jef91
mircea_popescu: !up Petit_Dejeuner
mats: fun fact: OS X has a Lisp interpreter in the kernel.
trinque: mats: wat
mats: trinque: Does not conform to R7RS.
trinque: what's its purpose?
mats: i've no idea. good question.
mats: will query the man responsible for this fun fact (it is not me).
assbot: My Life Inside a Remote Chinese Bitcoin Mine ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXz6vv )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63000 @ 0.00034985 = 22.0406 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40121 @ 0.00036309 = 14.5675 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62469 @ 0.00036766 = 22.9674 BTC [+]
assbot: 'Re: Blob-free OpenBSD kernel needed' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1JEqDBQ )
BingoBoingo: "I hope your next mail goes straight to Linus Torvalds. He is also encouraging people to use the hardware they accidentally bought in exactly the same way!! The nerve of him."
BingoBoingo: ^ God bless Theo
BingoBoingo: "You are quite a persistant idiot. Find replacement of a firmware that a vendor wrote for their specific undocumented chip; which runs on the custom processor and hardware on the athn USB device? That runs on the rsu hardware, which is probably some kind of crappy vendor-modified ARM or MIPS or 8085 derived cpu attached to a blob of Verilog logic they designed in their own lab?"
trinque: love the way he handles people
BingoBoingo: ^ Theo doing work
punkman: accidentally bought? meh
BingoBoingo: And Theo isn't even the only quality shitlord on that thread: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=143357719215507&w=2
assbot: 'Re: Blob-free OpenBSD kernel needed' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1cHkkjQ )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25781 @ 0.00036436 = 9.3936 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: BingoBoingo: kek
trinque: the redditard has come to expect free software (TM) !!
trinque: hilarious for anyone to be lecturing openbsd on the subj
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35191 @ 0.00034561 = 12.1624 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: RIP usable graphics cards.
decimation: asciilifeform: the intel cards were hardly high performance
assbot: codersnotes / A Constructive Look At TempleOS ... ( http://bit.ly/1eZ6knm )
trinque: decimation: schizophrenic goes it alone, creates a system far lispier than this gentoo mess I live in
trinque: something sad about that
decimation: well, the idea of executing everything in 'ring 0' is appealing to me
trinque: Every piece of code in TempleOS (except the initial kernel/compiler) is JIT compiled on demand. Yes that’s right – you can run a program without compiling it, simply by using an #include statement from the command line. << I believe this is one of asciilifeform's desirable system features
decimation: the concept of partitioning security zones on a 'c machine' is an excercise in sophistry
trinque: "TempleOS is a motorbike. If you lean over too far, you’ll fall off. Don’t do that." << this guy's awesome.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60134 @ 0.00035592 = 21.4029 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: http://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/index.ssf/2015/02/alex_payne_one_of_twitters_fir.html < this alex payne guy was part of those who joined the anti-yarvin campaign
assbot: Alex Payne, who helped build Twitter, returns to Portland as tech mentor and vegan restaurateur | OregonLive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1eZ7oaH )
decimation: "While much of Silicon Valley grew enamored of the digital currency Bitcoin as a libertarian alternative to central banks, Payne began consulting with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, a new federal agency created at the urging of liberal lion Elizabeth Warren."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171150 @ 0.00036788 = 62.9627 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: "helped build twitter" whassat.
assbot: The battlefield of the future on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MjCF2w )
mircea_popescu: and wtf is a "liberal lion" and wtf, warren's roughly speaking a shop clerk. what lion./
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00036819 = 6.4801 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Jail Doctors Made Man Impotent by Failing to Treat 6-Day Erection: Lawsuit - Civic Center - DNAinfo.com New York ... ( http://bit.ly/1AYGPMP )
trinque: god this payne guy is exactly what's wrong with portland
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115319 @ 0.00035027 = 40.3928 BTC [-] {3}
trinque: fucking communist that took his stumbling into wealth as a sign that being a communist is right (what.. the fuck?), that businesses which something something social good are going to succeed, that the financial considerations are not essential to business but evil!
trinque: at least if he had the spine to be a proper communist I'd have a shred more respect
mats: lies
mats: this place breeds contempt
trinque: mats: actually I produce my own home-grown, free range contempt
mats: carry on
mircea_popescu: well trinque... it worked when random ho was telling all the lazy schoolage hos about how the path to oprah richdom is not in school.
mircea_popescu: why should the same not work on bois ?
mircea_popescu: gangsta rap fo' da whitey!
trinque: bleh... BLEH!
trinque was raised by stern white men who said "do useful work, improve yourself, don't be a fucking fool"
trinque: seems that all evaporated in the US
ben_vulpes: whadday'all use for desktop environments, if any? i've inserted ubuntu into this mac and now need to make it usable
trinque: ben_vulpes: for who? yourself?
ben_vulpes: myeah
ben_vulpes: should i skip the desktop environment?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: XFCE is prolly the best stating out option
trinque: could always copy your stump over
BingoBoingo: Or just use a bare windows manager
trinque: yeah xfce's lightweight, the various *box (openbox, fluxbox) ones are also very lightweight
ben_vulpes: myeah i plan to run stump
ben_vulpes: is teh desktop environment even strictly speaking necessary?
BingoBoingo: not really
trinque: my setup is xdm and stumpwm
trinque: BingoBoingo: xdm will read a file called .xsession in your home dir to launch whatever you want
trinque: rather execute, not read
trinque: bash script in there with: exec /your/wm/binary
BingoBoingo: trinque: Yeah, that's pretty much the standard for setting up anything.
BingoBoingo: !up tsoulus
BingoBoingo: !up Pierre_Rochard
BingoBoingo: Pierre_Rochard: How goes the shoulder
Pierre_Rochard: it’s out of the sling, starting physical therapy tomorrow
Pierre_Rochard: btw giving my two weeks notice to bitpay tomorrow
Pierre_Rochard: I’m going back to wall street
ben_vulpes: scoop!
ben_vulpes: wow rly
ben_vulpes: what'd you do in WS?
ben_vulpes: s/in/on
Pierre_Rochard: accountant for new securitization issuances
Pierre_Rochard: this will be a different role though, I’ll be working with institutional investors to move their accounting from spreadsheets and PDFs to SQL databases
trinque: Pierre_Rochard: sounds like a vast improvement :p
trinque shudders to think of some of the worst abuses of excel spreadsheets he's seen
Pierre_Rochard: trinque: agreed, great role to hone my python skills in
ben_vulpes: Pierre_Rochard: get intimate with the sql
ben_vulpes: trinque likes to bang on about how it was designed as an end-user-programming environment for accountants
trinque: word
trinque: all the questions any account will ever want to ask are able to be expressed as SQL
trinque: worth considering how close you may be able to get the accountant to writing the queries themselves
trinque put a great deal of effort into that problem, only to conclude that one should learn to write the damn query directly
Pierre_Rochard: agreed, though I do lean on sqlalchemy a lot, I can write raw sql
Pierre_Rochard: I’d like to just go straight to pl/pgsql at some point
trinque: staying too cozy in python, you'll probably end up reinventing things the db can do better
trinque: consider for example the difference between using a python ORM and raw SQL for an aggregate over some column
trinque: most ORMs would load the whole damn row into an "object" whatever that is, load all the objects into a list, then iterate over that duplicated set of data and barf out the aggregate
danielpbarron: http://www.trashbagbondage.com/ >> Welcome to Trash Bag Bondage >> We now accept bitcoin
mircea_popescu: <Pierre_Rochard> this will be a different role though, I’ll be working with institutional investors to move their accounting from spreadsheets and PDFs to SQL databases <<< the virgin goddess weeps.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157366 << highest performance card where the open driver actually worked (of those still produced)
assbot: Logged on 08-06-2015 23:57:30; decimation: asciilifeform: the intel cards were hardly high performance
Pierre_Rochard: trinque: I made that mistake with the first version of pacioli with datetime logic, I’ve pushed all of that logic onto postgres now
trinque: Pierre_Rochard: that said I am under the suspicion that this kind of programming can also be done with CLOS in common lisp
trinque: though I'm not sure yet what that looks like
trinque: asciilifeform: ?
mats: >Russian Dies After Eating [Parts of] Tablet Computer to Avoid Police Detention
trinque: not that kind of tablet
trinque: lol
mircea_popescu: they didn't beat him or nottin
assbot: Girl Electrocuted by Tablet in Bathtub | News | The Moscow Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1AYLa2H )
asciilifeform misread initially as 'girl electrocuted by toilet in bathtub'
trinque: I guess franz, inc has some sort of database over CLOS objects
asciilifeform: trinque: or the open src 'elephant'
asciilifeform: which turns any clos class into a working db
trinque: asciilifeform: very cool
asciilifeform: it is very finicky but once it works - it works.
trinque: every program I've ever been paid to write was just a glorified db editor
trinque: still looking for the perfect set of tools for that
asciilifeform: trinque: consider new job ?
trinque: pays just fine, why would I/
asciilifeform: at least change gas mask filter frequently.
trinque: I'm under the delusion that I can make suffciently general tools the jobs don't take that long
trinque: lol
ben_vulpes: i'm going to beg a copy of trinque's tools and go murder parts of the economy he's not
trinque: right, that's the fun part
ben_vulpes: i'll work on dirty bits too
asciilifeform spent virtually whole day moving logic analyzer probes around.
ben_vulpes: at least you weren't programming?
mircea_popescu: LA still takes programmingm
asciilifeform: no, but i'm waiting for mircea_popescu to wake up and tell me how to do that from across an ocean
asciilifeform: l0l there he is.
mircea_popescu: im too busy fucking digging up boulders for crying out loud
asciilifeform: l0lders
mircea_popescu: this is all i ever dreamed of - a mmorpg where i know the owner so all the stupid shit can be shot in the head
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asciilifeform: little did mircea_popescu know that it is not enough to shoot stupid shit in the head, it has to be scattered with trotyl and buries in five separate graves, or will re-assemble
mircea_popescu: i don't mind.
mircea_popescu is kinda curious whether anyone ever manages to reverse the magic i put into this thing
asciilifeform: reverse in the sense of building it again somewhere else ?
mircea_popescu: reverse in the sense of descvribing the black box.
asciilifeform: or in the sense of godelizing it to go to some unintended place
mircea_popescu: it is after all the one problem of the clockwork puzzle. how to make one ?
mircea_popescu: is it a collection of tubes ?
mircea_popescu: "e-note" ?
mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong with these people.
mircea_popescu: in other news, there's 3x as many people reading trilema off a sony playstation than nintendo wii
danielpbarron: the news lady in the background looks baffled
mircea_popescu: i had nfi you could do that.
trinque: wii's got opera on it, dunno bout ps
mircea_popescu: so how do you type ?
danielpbarron: on screen keyboard plus joystick
trinque: on the wii you use a mickey mouse finger and your self respect
trinque: I guess the ps browser might be opera too
mircea_popescu: Mr Warren BuffettMon, 4:48 am 4.5 KiB$5 MILLION USD DONATION FROM MR WARREN BUFFETT
mircea_popescu: "I like to re-assure you of the legitimacy of this services as we will not be involved in any fraudulent act and will never be. use the money wisely, we only want to feel good by helping people this time of the year, this is the only thing that makes my wife happy too even now that she is not here with me anymore, we have too much to give away as I only have few months left on earth."
mircea_popescu: apparently one doesn't need to master english to catch the run-on sentences disease.
trinque: well shit I can't argue with pleasing his dead wife
trinque: where do I wire the funds?
mircea_popescu: send em to bill gates.
mircea_popescu: fun fact : search for barren muffett -> Quizás quisiste decir: warren buffett
mircea_popescu: oh and also : susan (who died like a decade ago) was into "population control"
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trinque: I'm sure for humanitarian reasons.
mircea_popescu: speaking of trios, she actually left the guy to be a cabaret dancer in the 70s,
mircea_popescu: then provided a replacement (astrid)
mircea_popescu: the three sorta lived together
mats: did he inspire you to do the same
mats: :P
mircea_popescu only heard of buffett relatively recently.
decimation: asciilifeform: who killed matrox?
decimation: although all the matrox boards I have used recently were shit
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decimation: I bet the girl in the bathtub would have wished that her charger came with a $0.01 fuse
trinque: wait wait
trinque: how in the fuck is github worth anything let alone 750mil
trinque: well hell, the currency's not worth anything anymore, maybe they are
asciilifeform: decimation: matrox killed itself
asciilifeform: decimation: by turning full-bore winblows-only
asciilifeform: it was once the gold standard of graphics-for-linux
decimation: yeah I remember
asciilifeform owned a succession of matrox boards, until this.
decimation: amusingly even modern x86 servers still come with matrox cards
decimation: but they are shit
asciilifeform has not encountered or so much as smelled a matrox board for many years
decimation: asciilifeform: they come on both dell & hp rack servers
decimation: as 'standard console'
asciilifeform never seen anything but intel graphics in those
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157534 << fuse does exactly nothing in such a case. you were thinking of a 'ground-fault-interrupter'
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 02:49:54; decimation: I bet the girl in the bathtub would have wished that her charger came with a $0.01 fuse
asciilifeform: (gadget standard in newer bathrooms which senses whether current-in == current-out, and kills circuit if not)
decimation: well, depends on the exact nature of the shock
decimation: was it 5v? or 240v mains?
asciilifeform: btw even these do not always help in the case of 'toaster in bathtub'
asciilifeform: almost certainly mains
asciilifeform: 5v doesn't do much in water
decimation: most shit chinese transformers I've come across are direct shorts to neutral
decimation: 5v ground short to neutral
trinque: "Development work on Elephant been limited since 2009 and support not complete for the latest versions of SBCL and ClozureCL. It hasn't been tested at all with recent Allegro and Lispworks releases." << must be near the end of the most recent lisp cycle
decimation: but yes, a gfi would have helped too. are they not standard in ru?
asciilifeform: decimation: take a guess.
asciilifeform: (they are 'standard' in usa too, but i only touched one with own hands when moved into current house)
decimation: heh yeah
decimation: building codes are a dumbass idea
asciilifeform: americans often piss their pants (or nearly) when travelling abroad to 'orc' world, when they discover what -no- building code looks like
decimation: not because building to standards is dumb, but because it inevitably turns into a racket
asciilifeform: e.g., light switches at whatever height builder felt like placing them
decimation: heh yeah 'concrete box' is sop
asciilifeform: (i have heard of literal pant-pissing when subject could not find light switch in toilet)
decimation: asciilifeform: what I don't get about the 'orc' world is: why not learn to fix shit like that yourself?
decimation: orcs can access wikipedia too
asciilifeform: decimation: on a typical day, do you feel like moving a light switch ?
asciilifeform: one that works perfectly
decimation: heh good point
asciilifeform: or are there 1,001 other things to do.
asciilifeform: decimation: not like 'humans' will fix their broken-by-design surroundings. visit a few folks in usa and see how many drilled out the idiot 'water saver' thing from their shower head.
asciilifeform: my guess: none
asciilifeform: ditto the toilet
asciilifeform: (more complicated problem, but most can be transformed into something like a pre-1992 model)
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trinque: I tend to be amazed by guys my age that don't own *any* tools
asciilifeform: trinque: wai wat
trinque: at the amazement or the lack of tools
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah the 'low flow' toilets are bullshit
asciilifeform: for non-u.s. folks: picture a toilet that won't flush -anything solid- in less than 3-4 shots
asciilifeform: (if lucky)
decimation: but isn't the flow limited by ceramic plumbing?
asciilifeform: decimation: in the worst cases, yes
asciilifeform: but more typically, it is 'set in software'
asciilifeform: that is, by the position of the siphon
decimation: yeah, makes sense
trinque: yeah mine's got that adjuster on the arm you can diddle a bit
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157500 << gotta love the idiots. as if 'git' had no existence outside of 'github'
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 02:13:36; danielpbarron: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUADXETCIAEokzE.png << fox news explains github
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157521 << how many did she shoot with own rifle ?
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 02:25:31; mircea_popescu: oh and also : susan (who died like a decade ago) was into "population control"
mircea_popescu: women aren't held to.
asciilifeform: fine. how many she ordered shot ?
mircea_popescu wasn't there, doesn't know.
decimation: heh so warren has a harem?
mircea_popescu: but the idea that random derps are getting 5mn from wb because susan'd have wanted it...
mircea_popescu: decimation the 70s were 45 years ago.
mircea_popescu: anwyay, off i go. laters all!
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decimation: population control was pretty fashionable amoung 70's liberals
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu would you happen to know the name (part #?) of the yugoslavian clone of the cdp1802 ? or (if existed) ro version ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
decimation: asciilifeform: your history of x86 link was interesting
asciilifeform: decimation: gotta love how the -single worst- cpu of the '80s is still with us.
asciilifeform: (one of the best, z80, is -also- still with us. in current production, by the millions.)
decimation: heh yeah
asciilifeform: you can even get pin-compatible with the classical dip-40 package.
asciilifeform: ~5 usd.
decimation: asciilifeform: how much does that space qualified ancient cpu cost?
asciilifeform: decimation: depends where
asciilifeform: decimation: old-new stock on 'ebay' - 2-3 usd.
asciilifeform: brand-new from 'intersil' - somewhere south of 200
asciilifeform: (but will they ship to a plebe? satan only knows)
decimation: heh, maybe if you a plebe in the us
asciilifeform: if you want it, straight to ebay
asciilifeform: where there are sealed tubes still for sale
asciilifeform: enough to last your whole life
asciilifeform: and to equip an entire space fleet
asciilifeform: decimation: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1066 << example circuit for it. (cdp1802)
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asciilifeform: it's the fat bugger in the middle
asciilifeform: (dip-40)
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decimation: heh the cy enfield keyboard
decimation: apparently the 'new cool kids' couldn't be bothered to write decent software or use rad hard cpu
asciilifeform: decimation: endfield didn't pick it because rad-hard, but because was cheap and had very interesting (read: efficient) instruction set
decimation: yeah I'm sure he didn't use space qualified
asciilifeform: it beat the shit out of its contemporaries (z80, 6502) for instruction-compactness
asciilifeform: the basic model was actually 'spacey'
asciilifeform: (later it sold as si-on-sapphire for added 'spaciness')
decimation: if I were launching a satellite I would sure as hell rather have time-proven parts
asciilifeform: thing had huge transistors, and only around 5,000 of them
decimation: at least for the command/control peices
decimation: write in forth if assembly is too much
asciilifeform: for many years i have searched for a period example of 'voting circuit'
asciilifeform: which 1802 etc. was surely used in
asciilifeform: but never found this
decimation: 'tandem cpus'?
asciilifeform: at one point i toyed with the idea of building a 'wallet' with one.
asciilifeform: long ago.
decimation: yeah that's what you would want
asciilifeform: 'a sapper errs once' (tm)
decimation: maybe intel will get around to releasing a cpu that uses cores for error checking rather than extra derpage
asciilifeform: intel can build a machine for transforming lead into gold, i still won't buy it.
decimation: asciilifeform: did you see that nxp bought freescale
asciilifeform was not moved to emotion by this
decimation: soon all we will have is intelroloa
decimation: usg dept. of chips
asciilifeform: the grand finale will be the intel-arm merger
asciilifeform: (arm is de-facto microshit to intel as present-day ibm)
asciilifeform: it is interesting to contemplate how many of the traditional nato stereotypes of soviet industry were not only false, but apply to nato wholly and not at all to sov
asciilifeform: e.g., ussr had, in fact, a great many independent (in the administrative -and- engineering sense) manufacturers of various things
asciilifeform: nominally under the boot of 'gosplan' but factually own animals
asciilifeform: whereas there is not, nor can there be, an independent maker of, e.g., cpu, in the nato blok
decimation: asciilifeform: actually what's amusing is that usg has many similar competing departments
asciilifeform: e.g., i have found at least five entirely separate sov. clones of z80
asciilifeform: designed by different people, produced in entirely different places, with different processes
decimation: none of them make stuff themselves though
asciilifeform: some were not even clones in the traditional sense, but legit reimplementations
asciilifeform: iirc the sov. single-chip pdp11 (famous in 'bk-0010' microcomputer) appeared before there was such a thing in the west
decimation: the msp430 is kinda like the pdp11
asciilifeform: my elder brother, like millions of kids, learned on it
asciilifeform: decimation: only in the loose sense where 'commodore amiga' is like pdp
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decimation: actually germany has a somewhat independent chip manufacturing plants
decimation: somehow they don't produce different designs though
asciilifeform: plenty of good stuff made in gdr
decimation: heh yeah ddr was the silicon valley of su
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decimation: the massive antibody response from usg against these escaped prisoners is amusing
decimation: every weekend in baltimore several people catch a bullet, nobody gives a shit
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