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trinque: cool, that works.
cazalla: any scoopbots revived/reloaded/ressurected around?
assbot: Deep Web Marketplace Go-Betweener Faces 20 Years Jail | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1E3DlU4 )
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danielpbarron: cazalla, "Count 12, to which Gelli plead guilty to," << plead guilty,* (the 2nd 'to' is not needed)
assbot: US aviation authority: Boeing 787 software bug could cause 'loss of control' | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9VND7 )
danielpbarron: "If the four main generator control units (associated with the engine-mounted generators) were powered up at the same time, after 248 days of continuous power, all four GCUs will go into failsafe mode at the same time, resulting in a loss of all AC electrical power regardless of flight phase." << apparently due to an integer overflow (248 days == 2^31 * 1/100 seconds)
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mircea_popescu: yo williamdunne ! scoopbot's dead ?
mircea_popescu: !up williamdunne
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-05-2015#1118214 << and the prize for this year's least useful error report goes to...
assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 19:40:29; ascii_field: search - does not work worth a damn.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66500 @ 0.00027845 = 18.5169 BTC [-] {2}
davout: mircea_popescu williamdunne do we have an authoritative list of the feeds somwhere?
assbot: Logged on 23-04-2015 13:00:22; mircea_popescu: williamdunne : btcalpha.com btctrading.wordpress.com cascadianhacker.com contravex.com devilsadvocate.biz explo.yt fr.anco.is www.loper-os.org pankkake.headfucking.net qntra.net blog.spagni.net thedrinkingrecord.com thestringpuller.tumbler.com thewhet.net trilema.com
mircea_popescu: tho prolly needs some culling.
williamdunne: davout: As MP linked
davout: for when i'm bored enough
davout: also would it be possible to rename it to scoopbot?
williamdunne: I haven't got access to the scoopbot name, and the GPG key is registered to _revived
williamdunne: But if those can be solved..
davout: not that it matters that much but i feel we'll eventually end up with scoopbot_revived_II_ultimate
mircea_popescu: maybe boobot
mircea_popescu: since we have ass already
davout: cuntbot
mircea_popescu: davout so it'll be pretty lulzy
williamdunne: gashbot
davout: and then the prequel, scoopbot_origins
mircea_popescu: williamdunne what had happened to it anyway ?
mircea_popescu: mere_du_scoupbotte
williamdunne: Connection is less than reliable
williamdunne: His reupping function seems to not work so well
mircea_popescu: but it wasnt in here at all, nothing to up
williamdunne: I mean reconnecting
williamdunne: i.e goes down, needs to get up again
davout: while (!is_up?) { up! }
williamdunne: Thats what the function is meant to do
williamdunne: But for some reason it doesn't work
williamdunne: That is the exact logic I used
williamdunne: while(!irc.conncted) connect
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00027533 = 2.1751 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: williamdunne: use runit
trinque: the thing rules
davout: (irc_connected? || connect_irc!) && (is_up? || up!) <<< the ruby way :D
trinque: bleh!
trinque: runit is the only service supervisor thing I've encountered that *does the right thing by default*
trinque: -run the thing I gave you forever-
trinque: every other one has five settings for "no really, restart the fucker if it dies"
davout: needs moar cpanel
trinque: lol
trinque: cpaneld
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36164 @ 0.00027445 = 9.9252 BTC [-] {2}
davout: start a few virtualized cpanels inside
davout: "WE HEARD YOU LIEK CPANEL"
davout: williamdunne: why u no cloak scoopbot? it's possible it's getting DDoS'd
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27759 @ 0.00027351 = 7.5924 BTC [-]
williamdunne: Its not, its just on a wired connection. Eventually I'll cloak though
williamdunne: *not on a
davout: what does it have to do with being on wired connection?
williamdunne: Wifi drops
williamdunne: IRC disconnects
williamdunne: Doesn't reconnect properly
mircea_popescu: and you know this isn't ddos how ?
trinque: what bot are you using
trinque: williamdunne: check out my friend vhost-'s tenyks, it has a "feeds" plugin already
trinque: dude's in the WoT
williamdunne: Some .net framework, I'll check it out
davout: meh, maybe you don't know but it's pretty often that anyone connecting uncloaked gets massively ddos'd
davout: just do it, i'd bet the connection will stop dropping
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I don't know for sure, but it happened a lot before I even started using #b-a. Wifi connection drops and then I reconnect it and all is good
davout: "i have a problem and then i fix it and then there's no problem"
davout: try to cloak it will ya
williamdunne: Will do
trinque: williamdunne: that one's free, would be much shorter
williamdunne: I've been told size doesn't matter
trinque: well as long as you've been told...
trinque lumbers off for coffee
williamdunne: Can I change the name associated with Scoop's GPG key?
davout: not sure your IRC nick needs to be the same as your wot nick
williamdunne: It does, you get some message from ass like "no key associated with nick"
trinque: assbot does take your IRC nick
trinque: !up in pm takes whoever you are at the moment
williamdunne: Just made some changes though, checks if connected in main loop rather than by doing it with an event
trinque: btw deedbot- is now 29F5 BC96 7632 415A B983 6DB6 3E45 2A7A 2A00 DEC1
mircea_popescu: williamdunne you might have to change scoopbot_revived to a new key then associate the old one to the nerw nic
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trinque: leaving deedbot- rates wouldn't be a bad way to request features or give feedback imo
trinque: tonight I'm going to work on it belching the deed URLs into chan when published, and I think that about wraps up the spec
williamdunne: Pierre_Rochard: I think you misinterpreted Preston's tweet. He's derping about his Eris Industries blockchain as a DB idea
williamdunne: Oh, maybe you didn't
trinque: this having a key for a given project is kinda neat, sort of trinque DBA deedbot-
mircea_popescu: i meant, re teh leaving rates thing
trinque: cool
trinque departs
mircea_popescu notices in the churned "social media" data that "address reuse" has gone from "unanimity" to "most people recommend" "in most cases".
mircea_popescu: the beauty of the free market is that it doesn't require intelligent participants, nor does it allow governance.
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mircea_popescu: pray the esteemed lordship consider the above matter.
williamdunne: m'lord
davout: interdasting
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2015#1118446 << if you want more, there's a never ending, teeming underground sea of the same thing. like, for instance : http://malesubmissionart.com/post/113014006426/and-then-god-said-let-there-be-the-perfect
assbot: Logged on 02-05-2015 02:34:08; *: asciilifeform just ran into this ancient piece, http://cultureandempire.wikidot.com/page:ch03-p4 (from somewhere in mircea_popescu's www) and marvels at the 'borges's chinese encyclopaedia' surreal perversity of it all
assbot: Male Submission Art - And Then God Said, "Let There Be The Perfect... ... ( http://bit.ly/1KCZQEE )
mircea_popescu: this one, dedicated to the theme that "bsdm is bad".
mircea_popescu: but generally, you can find incredibly ample if very well unknown networks of prose dedicated to any random nonsense you wish to pick.
mircea_popescu: the social studies million army may well be useless, but it is not in point of fact idle. the important difference is that while the printing presses of money are run as fast as they can run but by a central authority, the printing presses of discourse are run in overdrive independently.
mircea_popescu: as a result, the countless shanonizers are inches away from reproducing shakespeare.
mircea_popescu: cazalla who in the us ~doesn't~ face 20 years in jail, i wish to know. it's what that country is predicated on, by now. "i am a us citizen and i face twenty years in jail three times before breakfast. i hope they give us marmelade today".
assbot: Logged on 02-05-2015 14:14:00; danielpbarron: "If the four main generator control units (associated with the engine-mounted generators) were powered up at the same time, after 248 days of continuous power, all four GCUs will go into failsafe mode at the same time, resulting in a loss of all AC electrical power regardless of flight phase." << apparently due to an integer overflow (248 days == 2^31 * 1/100 seconds)
davout: so apparently an A380 can't go to mars after all
mircea_popescu: how is failsafe mode = "no worky"
davout: that's how I read "a loss of all AC electrical power"
mircea_popescu: me too. but it really isn't what failsafe means.
mircea_popescu: this is faildangerous
davout: I'm not an expert in the field, yet, but maybe what's meant by "failsafe" is: "it's better to shut power down than to somehow explode inflight"
davout: for an A380 you'll still have an available flying distance of 22 times your altitude to figure something out
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mircea_popescu: to figure something out ?
mircea_popescu: what pray tell will you figure out, that thing steers like a battleship.
davout: mircea_popescu: you'd be surprised http://videos.airbus.com/video/4ae05902874s.html
assbot: video Farnborough 2012 – An attention-grabbing A380 flight demonstration - a380, malaysia airlines, farnborough2012 - videos AIRBUS ... ( http://bit.ly/1KD2eeG )
mircea_popescu: hopefully the pilots brought flap actuator batteries and whatnot
Pierre_Rochard: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2015#1118591 < yup, I’m hoping all of the “blockchain database tech”/“smart contracts”/etc crud gets funneled away from Bitcoin and into $chumpatron
assbot: Logged on 02-05-2015 18:38:05; williamdunne: Pierre_Rochard: I think you misinterpreted Preston's tweet. He's derping about his Eris Industries blockchain as a DB idea
williamdunne: "Its like bitcoin, but not scarce, not a currency, and has centralized permissions"
Pierre_Rochard: insofar as they’re distracting the bezzlers, I see it as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bodyguard
assbot: Operation Bodyguard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1EMdlBs )
williamdunne: Also equally lulzy "its like a ***sql database, but uses the exact opposite of concurrency, has high latency, and low throughput"
Pierre_Rochard: god forbid one should have to hire a DBA they trust
mircea_popescu: you don't understand, "The State will use economies of scale to make the bitcoin network too expensive/impossible to use."
mircea_popescu: im really enjoying the qntra comment section.
williamdunne: Not sure what economies of scale have to do with it
williamdunne: They just have more money
Pierre_Rochard: williamdunne: one handwave in south america can cause a hurricane in florida. that’s the theory right?
williamdunne: Mm I'm not meaning they could, I'm just thinking about what they think they could do
williamdunne: I'm guessing they mean flooding the network with TXs
williamdunne: Which has nothing to do with economies of scale
mircea_popescu: "economy of scale" is simply one item in the shanonizer.
mircea_popescu: like racism, social justice, what have you.
Pierre_Rochard: Or nationalize Visa and ACH and make them free & instant, which is what I would do if I was in charge of keeping the USbezzle going
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mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard europe already did this. it's called sepa, and it doesn't do anything.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: No, they didn't
williamdunne: SEPA isn't free or instant
williamdunne: Closest thing would be UK FP I guess
williamdunne: Singapore FAST
williamdunne: SA whatever its called
mircea_popescu: uk is roughly the size of a chickenshit.
williamdunne: Malaysia something network
mircea_popescu: the idea here is that payments clear across a continent as if they would in the home market.
williamdunne: ACH isn't international
williamdunne: Although it takes as long as a wire sometimes
mircea_popescu: that's the idea.
williamdunne: So maybe it still meets that criteria
williamdunne: But yeah. No excuse for payments to take anything more than 5 seconds
williamdunne: ***once initiated
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mircea_popescu: !up Sam___
assbot: How Does Alexa Track Traffic – Do They Really Have a Grasp of Your Traffic? - Ways to Avoid SCAMS Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPzy0I )
mod6: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 354691 | Current Difficulty: 4.761056451347126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 354815 | Next Difficulty In: 124 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 20 hours, 6 minutes, and 29 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47786148588.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.36879
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asciilifeform: davout: the generator thing was in boeing's 787 machine, not airbus ?
jurov: yes, it was 787
jurov: perhaps he mixed it up with A380 cracks
hanbot: <jurov> https://mobile.twitter.com/kellyoxford/status/481497873461161987 hanbot, you're married then? << hah, as though i could hear anyone over the roar of my own kvetching
assbot: Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1EMqFpq )
cazalla: danielpbarron, ty
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cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2015#1118614 <<< hang about, i thought they faced the hangman's noose, not 20 years
assbot: Logged on 02-05-2015 19:11:43; mircea_popescu: cazalla who in the us ~doesn't~ face 20 years in jail, i wish to know. it's what that country is predicated on, by now. "i am a us citizen and i face twenty years in jail three times before breakfast. i hope they give us marmelade today".
trinque: lol, some kind of inverse alice in wonderland
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29600 @ 0.00027649 = 8.1841 BTC [+]
scoopbot_revived: News! A brief history of the Bitcoin Foundation's activity from 10/2014 through 4/2015 URL: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/02_a-brief-history-of-the-bitcoin-foundations-activity-from-102014-through-42015.html
ben_vulpes: chronology, maybe?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36100 @ 0.00026255 = 9.4781 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes also "myriad scripts and patches to said are written" is not useful.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: broadcast sent
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and when you do the invoice in this one, plz also convert the pesos i left behind, supposing those still were worth something.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76460 @ 0.0002562 = 19.5891 BTC [-]
assbot: Unnoticed for years, malware turned Linux and BSD servers into spamming machines ... ( http://bit.ly/1DLgWul )
asciilifeform meatspacing out for a spell
jurov: checking your crontabs? :DDD
asciilifeform: nah, cultural phun
jurov: !up Ralph
jurov: !up HostFat
jurov: !up WolfGoethe
jurov: !up OneFixt
Ralph: Waiting for my payout on the "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" bet so I can bet the Mayweather - Pacquiao fight.
jurov: dunno what would happen if you generated an addy for second bet and used it straight as payout to first
jurov: kako'd prolly reward such smartassery by converting it to gracious donation to shareholders :D
Ralph: It would work, but the betting address is only open for 3 days, so it would be a bad idea.
cazalla: Ralph, which side are you betting on?
williamdunne: When does the fight start?
cazalla: 4 hours time
Ralph: I don't mean to nag, but I don't know what's holding up the payout. Looks like the bitcoins for the payout are just sitting here --> 1QJRejN99TYnk8Ctae1ZxtMhmrgRqs6bPF
williamdunne: cazalla: Its gonna be a loong night
jurov: it may take a day or so, they are doing payouts on their leisure
Ralph: I'm betting on a draw. The fix is in, Vegas wants a rematch.
cazalla: draw pays ok
williamdunne: I really want to see Mayweather get knocked the fuck out
williamdunne: Doubt it'll happen though :(
jurov: ;;gettrust jurov Ralph
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user jurov to user Ralph: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=jurov&dest=Ralph | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Ralph | Rated since: never
jurov: if you were in WoT, i'd offer you a quick loan
jurov: but.
williamdunne: ;;getrating Ralph
jurov: he isn't regged with gribble at all
assbot: What happens after you’re arrested at a protest in New York. — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1K0NyVT )
jurov: she just calls it "one night of inconvenience and discomfort"
jurov: fucking police state, this
williamdunne: >3 — Patrol Wagon: Those who were arrested were cuffed and piled into large armored patrol wagons. In our vehicle, men were all together in the back. Women were in single cells or double cells. We waited in the vehicle for over 2 hours without moving until they had filled it to their liking (we ended up with 12 people). The last two people who were arrested were not even part of the protests, they w
williamdunne: just walking alongside.
williamdunne: Orwell would be proud
williamdunne: To see his book performed on the worlds largest theatre
ben_vulpes: yes, three cheers
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7706 @ 0.00026487 = 2.0411 BTC [+]
Pierre_Rochard: Got started with a couple of diagrams: http://pacio.li/Documentation/Introduction
assbot: Pacioli ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6HPk2 )
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decimation: re: ac power failure on 787 < actually my understanding is that most jetliners actually have a crank-out windmill to power basic navigation systems
decimation: althought in the case of the 787 I think it lacks hydraulics, so it would take a fair bit of power to move the electric controls
decimation: yes, indeed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tXobY4ZWbc < a video of the 787 landing with the ram air turbine (pop out windmill) deployed
assbot: Thai Airways 787 Dreamliner Landing w/ Focus on the RAM Air Turbine @ KPAE Paine Field - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dE27oo )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 316350 @ 0.00026132 = 82.6686 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2015#1118707 << methinks it sohuld have showed up by now
assbot: Logged on 02-05-2015 22:59:54; Ralph: Waiting for my payout on the "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" bet so I can bet the Mayweather - Pacquiao fight.
assbot: Logged on 02-05-2015 23:02:20; jurov: dunno what would happen if you generated an addy for second bet and used it straight as payout to first
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2015#1118731 << the thing is, it's not even may yet. it's going to be a painful summer. that place's slowly but surely becoming ungovernable, and with the extreme frailty of the jit style they deployed everywhere... there's little if any redundancy.
assbot: Logged on 02-05-2015 23:17:43; jurov: fucking police state, this
mircea_popescu: all it takes practically is to break it once, then it's broken.
mircea_popescu: "1 Police Plaza" lol. srsly ?
decimation: note that the complaints of the rabble never hold up to any reasonable examination
decimation: http://softwareandmind.com/ < some guy derping about the 'mechanistic myth'
assbot: Software and Mind: The Mechanistic Myth and Its Consequences ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYM805 )
decimation: "In this book we are concerned with one particular myth – the mechanistic myth; and we are especially concerned with its latest manifestation – the software myth. Mechanism is the belief that everything can be represented as a hierarchical structure; that is, as a structure of things within things."
mircea_popescu: that's a particularly inept statement of mechanism.
decimation: that's what I thought
mircea_popescu: linear interactions.
mircea_popescu: that everything can be put into a tree is a trivial bit of graph theory.
decimation: apparently he goes on for 8 chapters about how this 'myth' is ruining western civilization
decimation: "We are aware of lost alternatives only if we once had them. If we had to abandon words, for example, and restrict ourselves to ready-made sentences and ideas, we would immediately recognize the dramatic impoverishment in language-related processes."
decimation: " But programming is a new human endeavour, and the software charlatans gained control of our software-related affairs, and restricted them, before we could discover all possible alternatives – all the ways that human minds can find to create and use software. Software controlled by an elite is the only software we have ever had, so we cannot know what we have lost."
decimation: apparently he's just another shanonizer
cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRe5IWlcYlU&app=desktop fight stream if anyone was looking for one
assbot: django jesus2 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYMBj6 )
mircea_popescu: does he go into "privilege" yet ?
assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 17:50:39; mircea_popescu: in a "consumer driven" ideas market... the "ideas" will look like the derps.
asciilifeform: i used to have a whole butterfly collection of links to folks 'like my site but with schizo'
mircea_popescu: girls have private collections of "like mp but with stupid"
decimation: I was thinking about the quantity of language as I was going through my books today. amazon has an app that lets you scan a book - even just the cover picture - and it will instantly return the price
decimation: the vast majority of books are selling used for $0.01
asciilifeform: basic pattern, as in linked thread, folks see a problem. (typically, one that requires a certain amount of societal programming failing to anchor in the brain, or having been dislodged in one way or another) but do not have the constructive abilities to see anything but 'remove the cia microwave horn from the neighbour's balcony' as solution space
mircea_popescu: decimation someone here had written the algorithm for that.
decimation: yes, another quote: "Along with the mechanistic myth, our elites too have turned from good to 24 the mechanistic myth introduction bad. The elites defend the mechanistic myth because it is through this belief that they hold their privileged position."
asciilifeform: www.celiagreen.com << rare female version of this animal
asciilifeform: (summary: science is broken because, among other things, no one will give green a tenured mega-sinecure to study telepathy)
asciilifeform: ^ summary of green's works, that is
asciilifeform: tenacious critter, has been going at it for decades, it seems.
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mircea_popescu: decimation i've noticed that a good heuristic is, if (grep -c "privilege" > 1) break;
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's bayesian antispamatron must be a real hoot
mircea_popescu: somehow this idea that "privilege = bad" is getting passed around a certain group of idiots as given gospel.
mircea_popescu: hasn't even been investigated at any point, it's just revelation or something.
asciilifeform: they have more of a 'bad is privilege' thing
decimation: well, he is also melding the idea that the 'software factory' model is retarded into this
decimation: but I don't really follow that
mircea_popescu: well the software factory is definitel yretarded.
asciilifeform: decimation: the realization that software and computing in general as it exists is deeply and profoundly retarded, dawned on many people
mircea_popescu: "Celia Green is a philosopher and psychologist"
mircea_popescu: "that likes to write in the third person"
decimation: sure, but does that mean that hierarchical classification is a conspiracy?
asciilifeform: decimation: to some of these folks, the beige and black that pc chassis traditionally come in is the conspiracy
asciilifeform: there are at least as many idiocies as there idiots to conceive of them
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decimation: "The mechanistic software beliefs, in particular, have permitted a powerful software elite to arise. In just a few decades, organizations that have in fact little to offer us have attained so much power that they practically control society. As we will see in the course of this book, their power rests almost entirely on mechanistic software delusions, and on the stupidity engendered by these delusions."
asciilifeform: ^ cheap n-th generation plagiarism of weizenbaum (of eliza) 'computer power and human reason'
assbot: Joseph Weizenbaum Computer Power and Human Reason From Judgement to Calculation 1976 ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYOc8B )
asciilifeform: (weizenbaum made specific predictions re: electronic enablement of massive welfare bureaucracy, etc.)
decimation: yeah this guy seems to be derping that the 'software elites' have seized control and are starving the masses
decimation: he reminds me of that jeron lanier guy
asciilifeform: it somehow grates the ear less coming out of a broke schizo than a fella like lanier
mircea_popescu: yeah. the powerful software elite is out there crushing its cessna in irs tax offices.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: presumably the particular crackpot meant 'those who decide what is written' rather than the worker bees
mircea_popescu: i wish to meet these people.
mircea_popescu: as far as i know, not even linus "decides what is written"
mircea_popescu: definitely nobody in redmond
asciilifeform: they 'decide' to approximately the same degree as obama
asciilifeform: largely, the structure of the idiotron decides for them.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> ^ cheap n-th generation plagiarism of weizenbaum (of eliza) 'computer power and human reason' << this diagnosis is exactly correct, i am persuaded.
mircea_popescu: pretty much all of the us consists of john smiths, rewriting the bible in their own name.
asciilifeform: tbh weizenbaum is in no sense the originator of the 'mega-computerized bureaucracy will crush all souls' meme
decimation: "Application development, thus, will soon require no programmers. An analyst or manager will specify the requirements by interacting with a sophisti- cated development system, and the computer will do the rest: “There is a major revolution happening in software and system design.... The revolution is the replacement of manual design and coding with automated design and coding.”Ñ "
asciilifeform: but he is the single most articulate dissector of it, of the ones in my library, and so i pick him.
mircea_popescu: kinda how culture works.
mircea_popescu: shakespeare was also not the first to derp about derpy themes
decimation: he didn't even write it, another guy with the same name did
mircea_popescu: it was his wife, check your privilege
mircea_popescu: (fun story : privileg was my first calculator.
asciilifeform notices the resemblance to 'elektronika' series
mircea_popescu: 10 points for beginning the description of your theory by saying how long you have been working on it. (10 more for emphasizing that you worked on your own.)
mircea_popescu: 10 more if it's built from the ground up with anything in mind.
assbot: Monty Python - Theory on Brontosauruses by Anne Elk (Miss). - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYPPmA )
assbot: The Metatechnical Cabinet - Privileg 861-M-NC / Litronix 1721R ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYPXTf )
mircea_popescu: nah smaller thing, solar powered
mircea_popescu: bout the size of a biscuit. same thicknes throughout
assbot: MyCalcDB :   Calculator  Privileg / Quelle  SOLAR 16 ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYQ1lW )
asciilifeform: woah hightech
mircea_popescu: it kicked ass, an dprobably set my expectations of machines in fields like responsivity for instance. or stress tolerance
asciilifeform came from orcish lands where lcd was considered exotic tech
mircea_popescu: (like, i'd cover it's cell and have it do stuff)
decimation: actually lcds are worse in nearly ever respect other than power draw
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: probably set my expectations of machines in fields like responsivity for instance... << very tellingly, children in usa are now being issued with pocket calculators that have -palpable boot times- and delays on all basic ops
asciilifeform: (e.g., texas instruments 'nspire' etc)
mircea_popescu: hidebound reactionary" << wtf does this even mean
decimation: asciilifeform: my hp48 was doing tons of processing under the hood, would never delay or have a 'boot time'
asciilifeform: decimation: it wasn't running java
decimation: except during intense graphing operations, etc
decimation: no, it was running hand optimized assembly
asciilifeform: decimation: visit an electronics store and prepare to have brain come out of ears. i've had flashlights that -crashed.- i drive a car with a -buggy- thermostat controller. (made 12 yrs ago, too. the rot began long ago.)
mircea_popescu: lol crashed flashlight wut
asciilifeform: !s flashlight crash
assbot: 2 results for 'flashlight crash' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=flashlight+crash
mircea_popescu owned a half lb flashlight in TM. yet it had no processor.
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2014 18:31:23; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: flashlight article << a decade or so ago, i had a flashlight that... crashed! when destroyed, it revealed a microcontroller, with eeprom...
decimation: asciilifeform: I have a friend who is an old graybeard EE, been working on actual circuitry since the 80's
assbot: Planets in the Fourth Dimension | Azimuth ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYQuoc )
mircea_popescu: "why ellipses ? because circles in 4 dimensions project to 3 dimensional ellipses, that's why!"
decimation: he said recently a sea change has come with kids coming out of school; they want to specify massive cpu, memory for very simple micro-controllers so they can run java
mircea_popescu: "Dr Green currently holds no salaried academic position, a situation her associates regard as profoundly anomalous and unjust. One of the purposes of Oxford Forum is to reinstate her in the academic world."
mircea_popescu: The reason Dr Green is not a salaried academic is partly because her ideas are out of sympathy with the prevailing intellectual climate, but also because her education was ruined. A child prodigy, she was the victim of a hostile state education system, and an unsympathetic college when she was an undergraduate at Oxford. She is uniquely suited to doing research, and could be making significant progress in several areas
mircea_popescu: of knowledge if she was not hampered by her exiled position and lack of funding.
mircea_popescu: Oxford Forum's aim is to expand into an independent college cum university which would generate and publish research in several areas including philosophy, economics, the psychology and physiology of perception, and theoretical physics.
cazalla: another stream, fight starts now http://www.gutatv.biz/alpha23c2.php
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to be fair, it was a flashlight with some basic state - was the kind that is to switch itself on when mains socket it is kept charging in fails
mircea_popescu: this requires electronics ?
mircea_popescu: does your rectifier also run java ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: someone decided to use a microcontroller. quite possibly because 29 cents instead of 30 for a '555'.
asciilifeform: somehow its eeprom (yes) got erased.
mircea_popescu: see, shoulda got the ecc variant
assbot: CELIA GREEN: Interns ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYRw3q )
mircea_popescu: pretty great find, this
mircea_popescu: Pain Control
mircea_popescu: An area of research in which I could be making progress if I had funding providing an income of at least £100,000 a year (progress would no doubt be faster with more income).
asciilifeform has been collecting folks like green for a long, long time
asciilifeform: partly because, for a serious crackpot, to avoid going entirely off the rails, it is helpful to know what the rails look like.
mircea_popescu: woman goes on to explain stuff about dentistry.
decimation: asciilifeform: or to be more precise, what the wreck off the rail looks like
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