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← 2015-03-29 | 2015-03-31 → ↓
mats: $vwap s.mpoe
decimation: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 245.59, Best ask: 245.62, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 245.62, 24 hour volume: 37807.03512289, 24 hour low: 236.24, 24 hour high: 252.0, 24 hour vwap: None
nubbins`: risc os: wat
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67928 @ 0.00027013 = 18.3494 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: nubbins`: wai where ?!
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> jurov that piece is, roughly speaking, the result of a cat reading a mayan calendar and inputting the result into google translate. << it's actually a -double- ripoff. actually a condensed plagiarism of 'the roman guide to slave management' (j. toner) - an equally 'zebra hitler'-y work
asciilifeform: (what's a 'zebra hitler' ? it is this kind of 'historical' work. as exemplified by http://www.pbfcomics.com/209 )
assbot: The Perry Bible Fellowship ... ( http://bit.ly/1Id8DeJ )
nubbins`: asciilifeform heh, it's available for raspi. got me reading. a true anomaly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112843 @ 0.00026884 = 30.3367 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: nubbins`: risc os is an interesting '80s relic
asciilifeform: msdos-era thingie, with graphics and cooperative multitasking
asciilifeform: (one fandangoing proggy can hose machine)
nubbins`: apparently there's a band of weirdos still polishing it
asciilifeform: like the beos folks, yes
nubbins`: bebox!
asciilifeform: i suspect there will be folks worshipping '80s detritus for many, many years
asciilifeform: like the barbarians decorating sword hilts with pieces of roman mosaic in 500 ad
asciilifeform: hell, we're all using '70s os
nubbins`: or adults watching 80s cartoons on youtube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100550 @ 0.00026428 = 26.5734 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: spent an enjoyable evening getting a gentoo vm up and running from scratch, in the meantime
decimation: asciilifeform: might as well run it on a 6502 chip :)
nubbins`: meantime, anyone run into this? make: Nothing to be done for 'pogoplug_defconfig'.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: let me guess, already built once ?
asciilifeform: that part just copies configs to the correct spots, it doesn't build anything
asciilifeform: gotta 'make' after that.
asciilifeform: read the recipe again
asciilifeform: step 8 - 10
nubbins`: ok, here we go
ben_vulpes: nubbins` abandoning the macbox?
nubbins`: nah, dat shiny window manager. running gentoo via virtualbox
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: built pogotron yet ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25706 @ 0.00027548 = 7.0815 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48600 @ 0.00027548 = 13.3883 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66896 @ 0.00027264 = 18.2385 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i might get to it tomorrow night
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00027264 = 5.4255 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, straight plagiarism would require reading source material.
mircea_popescu: i doubt anyone in the usacademia has read anything first hand in the past three decades.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83600 @ 0.00027232 = 22.766 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70534 @ 0.00026587 = 18.7529 BTC [-]
assbot: primo, latinam studere - Google zoeken ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIPkLa )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo win.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2015#1079265 << would readily explain what's wrong with the us.
assbot: Logged on 30-03-2015 01:48:44; Adlai: deal with all situations. But whoever is stupid and industrious must be removed immediately." - Attributed, circa 1933; General Baron Kurt von Hammerstein-Equord (1878-1943); German Chief of Army Command (1930-33)
mircea_popescu: they took the opposite tack.
assbot: Logged on 30-03-2015 03:45:30; mats: did the original thing pass orders? or just report the book?
assbot: The many ways available for talking to MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIPRgj )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform basically, "the protocols of the elders of zion" is not an isolated product, much like the spec of dust that has a light shone on just right isn't the only spec available in the area.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.0002631 = 4.2359 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: The Perry Bible Fellowship ... ( http://bit.ly/1Id8DeJ )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00026271 = 8.1966 BTC [-]
cazalla: g'evening all.. so what do exactly do i need to access the pogo via serial port?
cazalla: seen a few diff serial cables around so it's all a bit new to me
trinque: cazalla: http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt << soldering instructions here, as well as net console
trinque: I used the net console method without issue
cazalla: thanks trinque
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19522 @ 0.00026881 = 5.2477 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44100 @ 0.00026858 = 11.8444 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18854 @ 0.00027264 = 5.1404 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00027473 = 4.1622 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30391 @ 0.0002736 = 8.315 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88270 @ 0.00027354 = 24.1454 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Vexual: heyo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00026273 = 5.2546 BTC [-]
Vexual: qantas to put highly trained hosties in the cockpit while the pilot takes a piss. Is'nt that what just happened?
Vexual: heck i don't need a piss on a 14 hour flight, the drinks come so slow
Vexual: hey look, im tweeting
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46165 @ 0.00026272 = 12.1285 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: just the general form of my prose bb
Vexual: @ventti envoyez plus de trucs gratuits
Vexual: thats why twitter doent work, noone does it
thestringpuller: mornings
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Vexual: morin tsp
Vexual: id buy yall a coffee, but its better to wake up slowly
thestringpuller: i went to bed 8 hours ago, so I'm wide awake
thestringpuller: gonna start going to bed as the sun goes down like an old person
Vexual: wise beyond your years i suppose
thestringpuller: I'd rather wake up when everyone is asleep cuz I hate people.
Vexual: thats why i dont drink on nye
Vexual: drunks errywhere
Vexual: also i got caught on an instroke with friedcat/havelock
Vexual: i was almost finished too
BingoBoingo: !up bb_
Vexual: fxkin oriental sex manufacturer dolls
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Still better than the Inuit doll manufcterer sex
Vexual: oooh rawhide?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72500 @ 0.00025761 = 18.6767 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: rawhide and bear oil for lube
Vexual: yeah i might stick with camgirls and waterbased
Vexual: ive herad that bearoil gets adulterated with amphetamines eh
thestringpuller: !up Vexual
thestringpuller: that nicotine buzz lol
thestringpuller: !up Xuthus
Vexual: melbourne to ban smoking in the cbd
Vexual: yes i bought a tv; the foxtel girl never came back, and she left a diamond earring?! wtf
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11485 @ 0.00025761 = 2.9587 BTC [-]
Vexual: first things i saw
Vexual: why she was selling cable i dunno
Vexual: gap year i can only suppose
Vexual: dumb as shit, musta someone bought em for her
Vexual: prolly working for the govt in france nao
Vexual: head coked to one side
Vexual: that should read cocked
Vexual: ;;seen duffer
gribble: duffer was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 35 weeks, 3 days, 6 hours, 48 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <Duffer> ya saw earlier today as it happened /wish i had free capital
Vexual: fuck that long
Vexual: research must be going well
Vexual: hmmm...
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Vexual: does he go by another handle?
Vexual shakes head slowly
jurov: Vexual waitwhat? you fapped to friedcat/havelock using bear oil?
Vexual: no, but i was in for a few bits when he dissappeared
jurov: in where?
Vexual: well, havelock essentially
Vexual: coinbr is next
Vexual: i love a bit of inout
jurov gives out
Vexual: shh
jurov: er.. i meant gave up :DDD
Vexual: shh
jurov cowers before beardoll
Vexual: yeah im kinda broke now
jurov: !ticker
assbot: You had the last Philistine. This one's mine.
jurov: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 245.98, Best ask: 245.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 245.99, 24 hour volume: 33440.25854513, 24 hour low: 236.24, 24 hour high: 252.0, 24 hour vwap: None
Vexual: where are you from anyay?
Vexual: i know naphex and nano now, but i still cant slovakia slovenia
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85169 @ 0.00026646 = 22.6941 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: it's euro in-joke
Vexual: what? it's the same?
jurov: shh
Vexual: lol
Vexual: i must depart, ive spilt things
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80700 @ 0.00026935 = 21.7365 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74048 @ 0.00026277 = 19.4576 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68000 @ 0.00026032 = 17.7018 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49773 @ 0.00026841 = 13.3596 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18895 @ 0.00026032 = 4.9187 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30405 @ 0.00025738 = 7.8256 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110686 @ 0.00025729 = 28.4784 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55450 @ 0.00027147 = 15.053 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7438 @ 0.00025715 = 1.9127 BTC [-]
jurov: !t m s.mpex
assbot: The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
jurov: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00025715 / 0.0002675 / 0.0002812 (4589948 shares, 1,227.82 BTC), 7D: 0.0001443 / 0.0002492 / 0.00028207 (25918080 shares, 6,458.81 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00031363 / 0.0004493 (89667991 shares, 28,122.63 BTC)
jurov: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00020808 / 0.00020865 / 0.00021 (10000 shares, 2.09 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00024784 / 0.00028609 (45159 shares, 11.19 BTC)
funkenstein_: assbot: The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire. <-- i followed neil young trail, now even more confused
funkenstein_: jurov thanks for crediting my coinbr account
jurov: what?
funkenstein_: i made a deposit, it showed up :)
funkenstein_: !rate jurov 1
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/83089e4c6a0f4c91
jurov: ah. it's down atm, due to maintenance
jurov: back in a minute
funkenstein_: oh ok, everything ok?
jurov: yes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19913 @ 0.00025715 = 5.1206 BTC [-]
assbot: Anesthesia Resident Finishes Reading Entire Internet During Free Flap Surgery | GomerBlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dduxiw )
jurov: funkenstein_: it's done and back online
jurov: interesting you've chosen that exact moment to mention coinbr, it unnerved me a bit :)
funkenstein_: the great spirit has spoken
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41830 @ 0.00025715 = 10.7566 BTC [-]
assbot: Spence Jackson, spokesman for the late Tom Schweich, found dead : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1DdvEPg )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.0002576 = 5.6672 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.0002576 = 2.3055 BTC [+]
mod6: ;;later tell funkenstein_ http://dpaste.com/1EP63W5 << this dpaste expired, can you create a non-expiring pastebin for this?
assbot: Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8nicp )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84748 @ 0.00026307 = 22.2947 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49300 @ 0.00027419 = 13.5176 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49950 @ 0.00026265 = 13.1194 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16913 @ 0.00026801 = 4.5329 BTC [+]
nubbins`: <+cazalla> g'evening all.. so what do exactly do i need to access the pogo via serial port? <<< any usb-to-serial converter will do. i think mine was "deluxe" and cost $10 from arduino-supply shop
assbot: SparkFun FTDI Basic Breakout - 3.3V - DEV-09873 - SparkFun Electronics ... ( http://bit.ly/1F9BoJ1 )
nubbins`: (deluxe in this sense means that it's brightly coloured, has the word "fun" on it)
asciilifeform: nubbins` et al: if you have a genuine serial port on your box, something based on max232 (e.g., http://www.amazon.com/Nextrox%C2%AE-MAX232-Converter-Adapter-Module/dp/B00BXCYAO6 ) will also work
assbot: Amazon.com: Nextrox® New MAX232 RS232 To TTL Converter/Adapter Module Board: Computers & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/1F9BIaO )
asciilifeform: otherwise the usb thing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30995 @ 0.00027176 = 8.4232 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49800 @ 0.00026078 = 12.9868 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50500 @ 0.00025994 = 13.127 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00026485 = 1.854 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: screen -r 3
danielpbarron: height=304635 vs height=218492
assbot: Logged on 29-03-2015 03:30:50; mircea_popescu: did you get wiki editing rights ?
assbot: N O D E ... ( http://bit.ly/1F9GchE )
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1079035 << i did it; it worked. I'm still getting spam emails from them
assbot: Logged on 29-03-2015 18:48:34; asciilifeform: nubbins`: notice how nobody here bothered with the 'request unlock' thing or even knows if it ever worked
nubbins`: haha
nubbins`: i am also still getting spam
pete_dushenski: http://www.righto.com/2014/10/how-z80s-registers-are-implemented-down.html << since 'z80' receives so many mentions around here, this may be of interest to log readers
assbot: Down to the silicon: how the Z80's registers are implemented ... ( http://bit.ly/1F9IZaE )
pete_dushenski: ken shirriff also has a neat piece on the ibm 1401, which were apparently dead reliable, used decimal arithmetic, and were rented for upwards of $10k/mo in 1960. oh the bygone days of computing!
assbot: 12-minute Mandelbrot: fractals on a 50 year old IBM 1401 mainframe ... ( http://bit.ly/1F9JscM )
nubbins`: gross, virtual hd ran outta space
nubbins`: turns out 8gb ain't enough
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 349957 | Current Difficulty: 4.671754964470642E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 350783 | Next Difficulty In: 826 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 20 hours, 35 minutes, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 50380137909.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.83986
assbot: Logged on 30-03-2015 13:25:06; mod6: ;;later tell funkenstein_ http://dpaste.com/1EP63W5 << this dpaste expired, can you create a non-expiring pastebin for this?
assbot: dpaste: 1EP63W5: release notes, by funkenstein ... ( http://bit.ly/1F9KS6Y )
mod6: danielpbarron: got it thanks.
danielpbarron breaths sigh of relief now that caught up on logs
assbot: Two Injured Outside NSA Gate « CBS DC ... ( http://bit.ly/1F9Lbib )
nubbins`: phew!
nubbins`: "There is no indication that the incident was terrorism-related."
nubbins`: fuck i hate that word
nubbins`: what they're attempting to say, in different words, is "there is no reason for you, pleb, to feel scared"
fluffypony: you hate "indication"?
nubbins`: with the implication that in the future, when the incident IS terrorism-related, y'all better get scared
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski the token canadian
thestringpuller: (jk nubbins` )
nubbins`: i'm as far away from a token canadian as you can get
pete_dushenski: can you have more than one token ?
nubbins`: only at noah's arcade
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54881 @ 0.00026925 = 14.7767 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1F9PNFb )
pete_dushenski: Mr. Force, while investigating Silk Road, “stole and converted to his own personal use a sizeable amount of bitcoins,” >> heh
fluffypony: great name though
pete_dushenski: real name ya think ?
fluffypony: "the name's Force, Carl Force. Carl Mark Force IV."
pete_dushenski: sounds like the name of a lincoln car
assbot: The shoe-shine kid’s great-grandson. And creme eggs. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Erd0oB )
nubbins`: so maybe someone's come across this before. i created an 8gb VDI disk in virtualbox but ran outta space. so i cloned it into a 15gb dynamically-allocated disk, pointed the vm at the new disk, virtualbox correctly reports the hd as 14gb
nubbins`: but gentoo isn't picking up the change
fluffypony: nubbins`: you need to resize the partition within Linux
nubbins`: yeah, that's where i'm stuck. fdisk /dev/sda reports a size mismatch
nubbins`: says "will be corrected by w(rite)"
nubbins`: but w says fdisk: failed to write disklabel: Invalid argument
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 228 @ 0.0044009 = 1.0034 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Federal Agents Who Persecuted Ulbricht Arrested | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ErfZ0t )
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo wd.
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 349962 | Current Difficulty: 4.671754964470642E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 350783 | Next Difficulty In: 821 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 20 hours, 44 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 50426253807.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.93857
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Well, I have another 38 blocks until I can hit publish on the other short piece I put together this morning
nubbins`: BingoBoingo :0
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65500 @ 0.00026145 = 17.125 BTC [-] {3}
pete_dushenski: that bitcoin backing time again...
nubbins`: hm is persecuted the right word
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Yes. He wanted to opt out of their oppression, but they wouldn't let him.
nubbins`: ;;dict persecution
gribble: wn: persecution n 1: the act of persecuting (especially on the basis of race or religion)
nubbins`: groan
nubbins`: ;;dict persecute
gribble: wn: persecute v 1: cause to suffer; "Jews were persecuted in the former Soviet Union" [syn: {persecute}, {oppress}]
nubbins`: ugh, where are these definitions coming from?
Chillum: etymology?
Chillum: ;;dict prosecute
gribble: wn: prosecute v 1: conduct a prosecution in a court of law 2: bring a criminal action against (in a trial); "The State of California prosecuted O.J. Simpson" [ant: {defend}, {represent}] 3: carry out or participate in an activity; be involved in; "She pursued many activities"; "They engaged in a discussion" [syn: {prosecute}, {engage}, {pursue}]
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: See they made him suffer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00025865 = 2.496 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Chillum: Prosecute is the wrong word. Lawyers prosecute. Agents persecute.
Chillum: one can do both
BingoBoingo: Lawyers indeed can do both.
Chillum: you have to be really stupid to get caught stealing bitcoins
Chillum: but then... government workers
BingoBoingo: But Mr. Mark Force IV is not a member of the bar, so no prosecuting for him.
nubbins`: BingoBoingo persecution is sustained, systematic suffering
nubbins`: i'm not persecuting you if i hold you down and fart on your head.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: You are though if you keep it up for years
nubbins` shrugs
nubbins`: your headline
mike_c: you know the suffix isn't part of the abbreviated name, right? like bob jones III is just mr. jones.
BingoBoingo: It is my responsibility as media people to frame the discussion
BingoBoingo: That... mike_c I'll have to dig up my AP stylebook...
chetty: what we don't have a b-a stylebook? (rofl)
mike_c: BingoBoingo: see NYT article, they (correctly) just call him mr. force.
mike_c: which is funny enough as is :)
BingoBoingo: I kinda prefer him with a model number...
BingoBoingo: !up bitstein
mike_c: complaint has been unsealed, perhaps it is available? I'd love to see how many btc they took
BingoBoingo: I'll check pacer in a bit
mike_c: because if it was actually "sizable".. and they didn't get it back..
Chillum: I think if someone has III at the end of their name you just call them Trips
nubbins`: Mr. Force Quad
nubbins`: more like Mr. Force Kin, amirite?
bitstein: BingoBoingo: re: "Federal Agents Who Persecuted Ulbricht Arrested": Daniel Krawisz has written some fantastic articles about the incentives for defection. http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/bitcoins-rugged-individualism/ http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/bitcoins-shroud-of-subtlety-and-allure/ http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/the-fappening/
assbot: Bitcoin's Rugged Individualism | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1ErlcWa )
assbot: Bitcoin's Shroud of Subtlety and Allure | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1ErlaNT )
assbot: The Fappening — Brought to You By The Information Marketplace | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1ErlaNZ )
BingoBoingo: bitstein: I'll have to give them a re-read.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38450 @ 0.00027452 = 10.5553 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: heh "fuck jim prentice" was 2.4% of the search results leading to contravex
pete_dushenski: recall that he's the premier of alberta who threatened sales taxes
BingoBoingo: So either this thing isn't in Pacer yet, or I've been searching the wrong courts
pete_dushenski: he didn't end up introdocing a provincial sales tax, but last week he re-introduced health care premiums and raised gas taxes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50900 @ 0.00027496 = 13.9955 BTC [+] {3}
pete_dushenski: "Tobacco taxes will increase by $5 on a 200 cigarette carton. Liquor markups will increase by 90 cents on a case of beer and 16 cents on a bottle of wine or spirits." << moar tackses
Chillum builds a still
pete_dushenski: carton of smokes (200 darts) now ~$100 here.
Chillum: glad the stuff I smoke is not taxed
pete_dushenski remembers seeing $1.40 packs of marlboros in ukraine
nubbins`: i bought a $15 carton once in japan
pete_dushenski: Chillum you're so black market eh
Chillum: I live in BC, it is a green market
Chillum: even the cops smoke pot around here
pete_dushenski: lol i didn't know we were neighbours
Chillum: I am an Islander
pete_dushenski: if i did, i forgot!
Chillum: (the big one)
pete_dushenski: not queen charlottes then
Chillum: the one that dips below the 49th parallel
pete_dushenski: i haven't been to the 'big island' in a while but i have a trip planned to victoria in may
Chillum: When you come to Vic, send me a message. We can 420
pete_dushenski: i'll try to fit you in
BingoBoingo: !up bitstein
thestringpuller: Canadia and your Beasters
thestringpuller: Chillum: you would 420 with a name like Chillum. Lemme guess you smoke out of a Chillum? LOL
pete_dushenski: ;;google chillum
gribble: Chillum (pipe) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chillum_(pipe)>; Chillums - Smoking Pipes - Grasscity.com: <http://www.grasscity.com/us_en/smoking-pipes/chillums>; The RIGHT way to smoke a chillum - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjjVD7pEuaE>
assbot: These are the Belladonnas of the digital garden. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1bJDNAk )
Chillum is getting off topic here, but is hanging out in ##stoned
pete_dushenski: ^ if anyone has recommendations of "technologies to avoid for safety, security, and sanity" please to advise
pete_dushenski: it's about time that la serenissima has a list of contraband
thestringpuller: avoid facebook cause it'll give you an anurism
pete_dushenski: read the list i have before 'adding' ;)
pete_dushenski: social media is on there.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: trying to enumerate badness?
pete_dushenski: broadly speaking
pete_dushenski: trying to identify landmines
thestringpuller: well only OpenSSL had heartbleed
ben_vulpes: os x, smartphones, intel chips
pete_dushenski: of which i grant there are millions, but are bigger fish and smaller fish
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes smartphones yes, others depend on generation
pete_dushenski: unlike windowz, whose suckage doesn't depend on generation
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller good point.
BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> well only OpenSSL had heartbleed << The other big SSL implementations had their own flaws unveiled in the following months that essentially accomplished the same insecurity.
ben_vulpes: 10.6 << golden era
pete_dushenski: agreed :)
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: ah i thought there were some "sane" TLS implementations. I don't use it so I can't really speak on it.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> 10.6 << golden era << 7.5.1
ascii_field: 'Federal Agents Who Persecuted Ulbricht Arrested' << for what it's worth, i predicted that bitcoin will help usg fission into men and groups of men with actual, if unofficial - agency (in the philosophical sense)
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: heh right?
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo i knew you were going to bring up 7!
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: anything made by Apple should be on that list.
thestringpuller: Pre like 1999
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Seems to already be happening. Mark Force IV was only flawed by a lack of fissures
assbot: Logged on 13-10-2014 19:14:19; asciilifeform: ulbricht << unless he's learned to grind rsa in his head, how is this to happen? his jailers will otherwise have the key at their leisure.
thestringpuller: Pretty sure all tech before Dr. Dre's the Chronic 2001 came out is fucked in some way.
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller so pre-ipod/imac ?
thestringpuller: Anything pre intel chips
thestringpuller: the PowerPC era
pete_dushenski: well now i wish i had my 450mhz g3 tower !
nubbins` has a massive chillum somewhere
thestringpuller: Can't beat MIPS
nubbins`: dat inability to use without a friend
thestringpuller: lol do all canadians smoke nugs?
pete_dushenski: some chug brewskis
mats: i have a pile of powerpc apple laptops
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller ya, the newer stuff is fucked but not beyond usefulness
pete_dushenski: you can't run irc on an ibm 1401
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1bJGqSV )
ascii_field: ^ the thing itself
nubbins`: <+thestringpuller> lol do all canadians smoke nugs? <<< enough do
nubbins`: dat de-facto legalization
pete_dushenski: as long as you can make attacks expensive, newish (not new!) hardware works
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: well you could...but it wouldn't be "fun"
nubbins` ports 0.5.3.1 to risc os
pete_dushenski: though i'd be interested to poll b-a'ers as to what hardware they use daily for irc/web
ascii_field recommends that everyone read the Force & Bridges indictment, it is an absolute circus
nubbins`: pete_dushenski late-2008 mb
ascii_field: three-ring circus, with elephants, walrus, cacodaemons.
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller right. like web surfing on og lisa or something
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: the implemenation wouldn't be on the level of what most of us are running, but there could be some kind of IRC-like communication. But yea no one wants to run a 1401 for other reasons...
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Any links to where it might be living. Haven't been able to spot it on Pacer.
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: see the last nyt link
thestringpuller: i imagine the future a bunch of people running altair 8800 clones in caves to talk to each other in binary XD
ascii_field: if you can extract the text from there, more win
pete_dushenski: nubbins` 7 years old, not bad
nubbins`: recently upgraded to 8gb ram and a new battery too, breathed a bit of new life
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller lol
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: amd opterons, 'tyan' board circa '07
ascii_field: and buncha lesser machines
nubbins`: +1 for lessers
nubbins` has olpc xo-1 somewhere
thestringpuller: ascii_field: and his love of Opterons
thestringpuller: People LIKE YOU love that processor to death
ascii_field: thestringpuller: not much alternative
pete_dushenski: ascii_field you and mp using amd, mac lusers never had this option
nubbins`: actually had a Tandy 1000 SX stashed at my folks' house until last year
nubbins`: they had ppc option ;p
assbot: Well I'm off to prison now! Follow my twitter for tweets from the inside /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash
nubbins` ports bitcoind to IBM i
pete_dushenski: true, and i have a ppc tower, but omgerd it's slow
ascii_field: 'tweets from the inside' ?!
thestringpuller: ascii_field: I'm just jelly cause I was always too poor to own an opteron machine. I had to stick with the lesser Athlons
nubbins`: ascii_field "tweets from the president"
fluffypony: ascii_field: Shrem is going to the sort of prison where you have Twitter access
ascii_field: thestringpuller: you can probably get same machine that i use every day for less than the cost of a couplea pogos
fluffypony: "prison"
thestringpuller: ascii_field: you're allowed to tweet from inside federal prison known as "club fed"
pete_dushenski: fluffypony and a tennis court
thestringpuller: yes and a tennis court
thestringpuller: and spa day
thestringpuller: and congical visits
pete_dushenski: horses, 9 hole golf course
thestringpuller: Shrem isn't going ot jail, he's going on vacation.
ascii_field: iirc such prisons are largely mythical
thestringpuller: paid for with our tax dollars
thestringpuller: ascii_field: tell that to martha steward :P
nubbins`: ^^^^^
ascii_field: sure, if obama goes to prison, one such will be found for him.
ascii_field: as it was for certain mafia dons
nubbins`: i saw a commercial once where martha stewart said she /had to learn how to make creme caramel in the microwave/ while she was in prison
fluffypony: what would be brilliant is if he tweets and then after 3 weeks he goes dark
ascii_field: but for a monkey - why ?
fluffypony: and nobody hears from him for 2 years
fluffypony: till he gets released, and he's become this muscle-bound gangsta covered in prison tats
fluffypony: exacting revenge on the government that put him behind bars
thestringpuller: fluffypony: you watch too much tv
assbot: HP XW9400 Workstation 8 Cores AMD Opteron 2 5GHz 8GB RAM FX1800 768MB Computer | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1bJIlXA )
fluffypony: Charlie Shrem: The Revenge
nubbins`: fluffypony your advice re: hdd worked
nubbins`: had to use parted instead of fdisk
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: considerably more juice in that one than what i have
fluffypony: glad I could help nubbins`
nubbins`: ascii_field why opteron?
nubbins`: i ask because i highly doubt it was a casual choice
ascii_field: nubbins`: because ecc and not intel
pete_dushenski: ascii_field and it's still not 'unaffordable'
pete_dushenski: i have ecc on main machine but... intel
thestringpuller: ascii_field: told my buddy about your necessity of ECC ram. his response, "Dafuq he doing? Rocket science? Evil science shit?!?"
nubbins` doubts alf casually purchases anything that manipulates electrons
thestringpuller: pretty sure buying ECC RAM in the future will put you on watch list
nubbins`: did i mention that i saw a cop help someone break into a house earlier?
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller well we can't really be more on the 'watch list' then we already are
pete_dushenski: so might as well stock up!
ascii_field: i will confess that upon first coming to #b-a i was greatly surprised that any of the folks involved with something called 'bitcoin assets' might have any doubts as to the necessity of ecc given that correct computation of a certain answer -actually means your arse-
thestringpuller: they treat me pretty nice for black d00d on watch list
pete_dushenski: ascii_field before you came along there was probably more blissful ignorance
pete_dushenski: just as there is everywhere outside of here
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pete_dushenski: thestringpuller that's just reverse-racism
ascii_field: mircea_popescu, i think it was, had a term, 'pornwatchingcomputer'
ascii_field: that is to say, a machine where the 'answers' don't actually matter
ascii_field: because so what if it snowcrashes mid-flick, so you have to use imagination, or somethinglikethat
assbot: One dead, one hurt as men try to ram U.S. spy agency gates: reports| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1bJJWfU )
ascii_field: trinque: appeared earlier in log
trinque: ascii_field: ah, searched for it, overlooked
trinque: figured so
pete_dushenski: mebbe someone was trying to sabotage ft meade's magick bitcoin mining op
trinque: nubbins` | with the implication that in the future, when the incident IS terrorism-related, y'all better get scared
trinque: damn, copied the return
ascii_field: trinque: good time to rehash my observation that the only 'decisive' people, as in out-and-out arms against usg - are the schizos, imbeciles, and provocateurs
trinque: that sounds about right
ascii_field: at least as far as publicly visible
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pete_dushenski: ascii_field these are various descriptors for 'non-normies'
pete_dushenski: it makes sense that the typical box-checkers and form-fillers would be... typical
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: these are descriptors for the folks who happily buy faux death rays from feds and imprisoned for life, or ram a gate because the voices commanded it
pete_dushenski: well in that sense, 'decisive' is merely gullible
ascii_field: some years ago, when i still worked at [small usg research outpost] we had a 'gatehouse incident.' much commotion and yellow tape, etc. turned out, guard blew own brains out messily
trinque: I expect more crazies to crack in response to "the walls have ears" as time goes on
nubbins`: i recall in 2002 when the G8 summit was being held in canada, i was working in ottawa at fed gov bldg across the street from department of foreign affairs
nubbins`: main entrance walled off w/ concrete blocks and row upon row of zigzagging gates
pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field
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nubbins`: i wander over lunchtime to walk inside, armed guard stops me
nubbins`: "i wanna use the ATM"
nubbins`: lets me thru o.O
ascii_field: 'i wanna use the hawaladar, let me through' probably would not work
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20138 @ 0.00025715 = 5.1785 BTC [-]
ascii_field: and nubbins` must have left his turban at home that day.
nubbins`: haha
nubbins`: protip to protestors: wear a polo shirt
nubbins`: incidentally, the only sign of protest i saw the entire day was "McMurder" spray painted on the plywooded McDonald's on Rideau
nubbins`: (in addition to the plywood coverings, it was also deemed prudent to cover the McD's-branded awning with a tarp)
trinque: I am surprised at how quickly "not terrorism related" gets stamped on the event
trinque: is the purpose there to avoid "legitimizing" the existence of US-born malcontents?
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ascii_field: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/us_v_force.tar.gz << BingoBoingo cazalla et al >> qntra cache ?
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ascii_field: ^ describes, among many other lulz, how one of the most damning acts of mr force was to encourage dpr to use pgp
ascii_field: (allegedly to coordinate bribe-taking)
ascii_field: and contains howlers like 'the entire point of PGP software is anonymity'
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: consider putting the gifs up
ascii_field: (full de-pdfization)
BingoBoingo: It's in the que
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ascii_field: that thing is epic
ascii_field: subpoenas without legal authority? check. involvement of main detectives in btc scamming -check..
ascii_field: makes the original ulbricht accusation look like a total snorefest
BingoBoingo: Updated to include the document
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: i suggest unzipping
ascii_field: so folks can link to the pages
mircea_popescu: now i gotta read this
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: mega-l0ltr0n
ascii_field: won't regret reading
assbot: Federal Agents Who Persecuted Ulbricht Arrested | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1abwpgV )
mircea_popescu: check out that crazy mp saying the usms thing was fraudulent!
mircea_popescu: who would have believed it &c.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: they don't admit -all of it- having been pinched
mircea_popescu: check out that crazy mp telling sec to back up its supoenas in writing.
mircea_popescu: check out that crazy mp each and every fucking way!
ascii_field: read the damn thing, prepare to pick yourself up from floor
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i will be forever grateful if qntra breaks with the general trend in the "press" and actually points out that MP knew this months ago.
ben_vulpes: > froze a coinmkt account and transferred it to himself
ben_vulpes: noice
mircea_popescu: also it's prosecuted not persecuted, unless intentional.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> also it's prosecuted not persecuted, unless intentional. << Totally intentional. Preet prosecuted, thugs merely persecuted. With pogroms and fake assassinens
mircea_popescu: good thing they got the conviction through BEFORE saying these people were felons
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mircea_popescu: that way they don't have to explain to the judge why the testimony of convicted felons should be taken seriously.
BingoBoingo: Also this is why the Maryland murder for hire thing couldn't be tried
mircea_popescu: now let's see the da that KNEW THIS and made this call prosecuted under rico.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo exactly.
mircea_popescu: it's not like the guy in charge didn't KNOW what was happening.
mircea_popescu: he knew, lied to the judge - which is enough for disbarment, and broke half the laws in the book, which is enough for 20 to life.
mircea_popescu: especially as he conspired with others to do so, who idem 20 to life.
mircea_popescu: now let's see this thing actually done.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo i will be forever grateful if qntra breaks with the general trend in the "press" and actually points out that MP knew this months ago. << perhaps you want to take this one on? My venom sacs are running low after the disappearing lawsuit and this happening.
mircea_popescu: because no, i won't be impressed or satisfied with a coupla muppet heads cracked open.
ascii_field: pigs will fly, and above speed of light too, before this is prosecuted.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field makes no difference.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: the crime was not giving the privkeys to the bossman, if i read correctly
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes in the system they live in, this is a crime.
ben_vulpes: "i was afraid of offending if I sent too little and looking foolish if i sent too much."
ben_vulpes: yeah, this is just the guy who got *busted* for operating SR.
mircea_popescu: actually fuck it, i guess it's time to write a cv.
ben_vulpes: it boggles the mind that Force got DPR using gpg.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: cv?
mats: resume.
ben_vulpes: mats: der, but for himself, force, dpr?
ben_vulpes: "additional pieces of circumstantial evidence prove that FORCE is "French Maid." Both "French Maid" and Force (operating as "Nob") used the exact same brand of PGP software,a feww brand called GnuPG. There are different brands of PGP software, so it is noteworthy that both FORCE (operating as "Nob") and "French Maid" used the same brand."
ben_vulpes: look at them flail, trying to apply their old tactics of identity discovery to the new world.
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0DH0ZV7.txt )
ben_vulpes: "they also both used the same outdated version of that software 1.4.12"
ben_vulpes: "...the outdated version that both "French Maid" and FORCE (as Nob) used is more of a "signature" given the greater number of versions available."
ben_vulpes: listen up, logreaders.
chetty: omg, we all log on to b-a, must be the same person
ben_vulpes: there is only one kind of signature that can prove identity in this marvelous world where grownups use crypto.
ben_vulpes: a fucking signature.
ben_vulpes: it starts like this
ben_vulpes: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: ever sit on a jury in usa? recall what it was like ?
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: they don't let real humans actually sit.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: l0l i did
ben_vulpes: how hard did you work to get through voire dire?
ascii_field: was a petty theft case but very instructive
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: got lucky
ben_vulpes: what is it with you and self flagellation with the usg scourge
ascii_field: anyway, this crud is not intended to prove anything to jury, but to the defense attorney
ben_vulpes: correct.
mircea_popescu: lmao it's totally notable yeah
mircea_popescu: as in "he uses terrorists brand"
ascii_field: namely that he should tell his client to plead
ascii_field: because 'surrender now, watertight case'
mircea_popescu: "and also the last uncompromised one, at that."
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ben_vulpes: for the record, the gpg.conf flag that excludes versions is 'no-emit-version'
mircea_popescu: it still HAS a version.
mircea_popescu: but yeah
jurov: "both perps had version string disabled, hence same person "
BingoBoingo soliciting pieces of force case. So many stories here can probably publish multiple takes.
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: http://qntra.net/bundles/force/ (some still uploading)
assbot: Index of /bundles/force ... ( http://bit.ly/1abA7qS )
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ferglubbsake
ascii_field: nobody wants to sit and click
assbot: NSA Backdoor Key from Lotus-Notes ... ( http://bit.ly/1abBmWU )
jurov: i have put it into phuctor, found nothing
ascii_field: the lotus thing is ancient history
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ascii_field: the translation isn't ru either
ascii_field: it's be
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: fixed
nubbins`: they make nice coins
nubbins`: well. they sell nice coins. i doubt they mint 'em domestically
nubbins`: last couple of gifs show the masterminds
ascii_field: everyone who loaded BingoBoingo's original link, reload
ascii_field: it has civilized clickless display now.
nubbins`: what the fuck is kim dot com's problem
mike_c: goddamnit, i need a new printer. any recommendations? i want scan, print, and print pictures of my kid (nothing professional needed).
trinque: nubbins`: what's your grip with him?
trinque: *gripe
mike_c: shopping for a printer feels like swimming through a swamp for some reason.
nubbins`: nothing, i guess
nubbins`: mike_c if you want an all-in-one, i can't help ya
nubbins`: i can recommend a nice printer setup tho
mike_c: yeah, i figured you'd be too high end. you don't have any workaday favorites?
mike_c: how bout brand in general? HP/canon/etc?
nubbins`: i'll never buy anything but epson
nubbins`: in fairness, the epson 1430 is really nice, 13" wide-format, and it's probably only like $200-250usd right now.
ascii_field: ugh ink
mike_c: well they don't make home laser color printers i don't think
nubbins`: ascii_field that's my next step
assbot: Epson Artisan 50 Inkjet Printer - Product Information - Epson America, Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1abEdyZ )
ascii_field: mike_c: by the tonne
assbot: .:: Cobra Ink Systems::. This is where the term CIS began ... ( http://bit.ly/1abEfai )
ascii_field: mike_c: for a few hundy
ascii_field: (home colour laser)
nubbins` pays $50usd for 32oz of printer ink
ascii_field: does the ink still run when you sneeze on the page ?
mike_c: oh yeah, look at that.
nubbins`: ascii_field is right tho, color lasers are ubiquitous and cheap. you can get one for around the same price.
nubbins`: ascii_field that's a function of the paper 8)
mike_c: i know little to nothing about this.. is toner cheaper than ink?
nubbins`: mike_c name-brand toner is cheaper than name-brand ink
nubbins`: by orders of magnitude
mike_c: ah
nubbins`: off-brand ink is cheaper than off-brand toner
nubbins`: by orders of magnitude
ascii_field: nubbins`: function of the paper? if the ink is water-soluble, and it gets in - how will it not also get out, when wetted again ?
ascii_field: am i missing something
nubbins`: maybe i am :S
mike_c: i have had mixed success with chinese knockoff ink cartridges, and have a suspicion they have led to the death of my current printer..
nubbins` admittedly does little "photo printing", and is more concerned with laying down as much ink as possible
nubbins`: but the CIS kit i have supplies a constant flow of very inexpensive, high quality ink
assbot: .:: Cobra Ink Systems::. This is where the term CIS began ... ( http://bit.ly/1abEYIs )
ascii_field: http://seeingyellow.com << obligatory if buying colour laser
assbot: Seeing Yellow ... ( http://bit.ly/1abEYZ2 )
nubbins`: well, that's the other thing.
nubbins`: i'm also not convinced that home color laser beats inkjet for image quality
nubbins`: text, you'd be a fool to use an inkjet
nubbins`: images, well, stop sneezing 8)
ascii_field: nubbins`: image quality - seems quite likely
ascii_field: afaik colour laser was never well-regarded by artistic types
nubbins`: !up ascii_field
jurov: yes, color laser is poor for photos
nubbins`: i actually took a loss on a job a while back because i priced it for color laser prints and they weren't up to snuff
ascii_field: newspaper quality.
nubbins`: not a loss on ink/toner costs, mind you, but a loss on time
nubbins`: inkjet is sloooo-o-o-o-o-w
nubbins`: incidentally, some of you may be interested to know, epson is the only home printer mfg that has printheads that can deliver variable amounts of ink
ascii_field: i found a very, very fast tractor-feed (!) early '90s inkjet in a skip once, as a kid
ascii_field: quality was about on par with ancient typewriter and then leave document in the sun for a decade or three
ascii_field: iirc it was an epson.
nubbins`: nice
nubbins`: regular inkjet: heating element rapidly boils ink inside cart, steam bubble forces ink out through aperture
nubbins`: epson inkjet: voltage applied to piezo element
nubbins`: mechanical propulsion, voltage-controller
ascii_field: i had this notion that all modern inkject machines use piezos
nubbins`: nope.
nubbins`: epson's the only one using it as a rule
nubbins`: you'll rarely see others try it
nubbins` owns third-party printer drivers that allow him to control -- among other things -- voltage to piezo
nubbins`: also does postscript emulation which is nice for printing halftone dots from greyscale images.
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nubbins`: approx. 1.5x the cost of the actual printer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43523 @ 0.00025702 = 11.1863 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: any thoughts on 5 color inkjet vs 3 color?
nubbins`: the more, the better
mike_c: thanks for advice!
nubbins`: generally 5+1 (yellow, cyan, light cyan, magenta, light magenta, black) will give you truer light tones
nubbins`: and you really, really should consider getting one of those CIS kits, it'll pay for itself in a year
mike_c: I like the thought of that a lot.. and it may be practical given wireless (so i can put the whole thing in a closet somewhere).
jurov: i've had epson stylus in early 00's and it was spawn of evil, with golden toilet refills
jurov: and when i bought cheaper ink, found out the cassettes can really be refilled only once anyway
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jurov: dunno if inkjets got better since
mike_c: oh cool, cobra ink will sell you the printer with cis installed already
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> afaik colour laser was never well-regarded by artistic types << not even on wood.
nubbins`: mike_c it will, but it's worth comparing costs
nubbins`: the install is trivial
nubbins`: mircea_popescu that was monochrome lazer 8)
mircea_popescu: monochrome is artisanal
mircea_popescu: hence all the b&w amateur-art photos
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bitstein: !up napedia
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100850 @ 0.000267 = 26.927 BTC [+] {3}
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/curriculum-vitae/
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ^
thestringpuller: lol scoopbot only works for trilema
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: is that SFW?
mircea_popescu: no pics, it's just plaintext
thestringpuller: i like how MG made the cut but not BitBet lol
mircea_popescu: dude if i was going to put everything in i'd be there for a week.
mircea_popescu: most of the good stuff didn't make it in.
thestringpuller: Jan 2016 MP drops his first rap album.
nubbins` has been pickling daikon radishes in rice vinegar for the past 3 months, will consume this evening
mircea_popescu: ironically enough, the usms scammer thing which is how i even got started also doesn't seem to have made it in.
mircea_popescu: awell.jpg
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mike_c: i give up.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/bundles/force << should link back to qntra
nubbins`: mike_c ?
mike_c: it looks like some kind of odd orange.
nubbins`: pickled daikon radish
mike_c: ah, interesting.
nubbins`: yellow from turmeric
assbot: Recipe - 단무지 [Danmuji] Korean Sweet Pickled Radish | JaK Wave ... ( http://bit.ly/1NvFwFk )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32350 @ 0.00026886 = 8.6976 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38100 @ 0.00026675 = 10.1632 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21066 @ 0.00026675 = 5.6194 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://www.wired.com/2015/03/us-used-zero-day-exploits-policies << usg shills struggling to drown discussion with idiot garbage like this
assbot: US Used Zero-Day Exploits Before It Had Policies for Them | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cqt5r9 )
ascii_field: 'In summary, for the nearly two year period before FORCE worked the Silk Road case, FORCE deposited a total of approximately $250,000 into his bank accounts, an amount consistent with his federal salary. In contrast to that, the bank records show that in the just over two-year timeframe from FORCE's joining the Silk Road case to his May 2014 resignation, FORCE deposited approximately $776,000 into his bank accounts, an
ascii_field: amount that represented solely his liquidation of bitcoins.'
ascii_field: one of the few things usg is demonstrably good at is sniffing out unexpectedly fattened cattle to butcher.
ascii_field: fact is, if this ever goes to trial (unlikely) - the moron will be asked 'where did you get it'
ascii_field: and will stammer and blither in front of the jury, or cough up some outlandish 'martian' alibi
punkman: heh "FORCE functioned as the de facto Chief Compliance Officer for CoinMKT all the while employed as a DEA agent, even allowing himself to be featured in CoinMKT's "pitch decks" to venture capital investors and allowing himself to be listed as CoinMKT's anti-money laundering and/or compliance officer"
nubbins`: ^ i died
punkman: also "FORCE used his official position as a DEA agent to illegally run criminal history checks on individuals for the benefit of a third-party digital currency exchange company, CoinMKT, in which FORCE had personally invested approximately $110,000 worth of bitcoin."
punkman: !up ascii_field
punkman: I thought assbot didn't have state
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28300 @ 0.00026688 = 7.5527 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] (HIF) Havelock Investments Fund ... ( http://bit.ly/1BYs5Hc )
nubbins`: havelel is manually processing withdrawals
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23524 @ 0.00025738 = 6.0546 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00026774 = 4.6051 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/bundles/force << should link back to qntra <<fxd
nubbins`: BingoBoingo make the link point to the main page maybe?
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: fxd, again
nubbins`: also, http://qntra.net/2015/03/blockchain-hits-milestone-23rds-of-all-bitcoins-mined/ second sentence should begin with Its instead of It's
assbot: Blockchain Hits Milestone, 2/3rds of all Bitcoins Mined | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1BYyNgs )
nubbins`: and a comma after incidentally
nubbins`: and a comma after 420,000
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: fxd, that one I really should have had time to self proofread better, but DEAlulz
nubbins`: +1000
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67945 @ 0.00026826 = 18.2269 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00027056 = 7.4133 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24550 @ 0.00027076 = 6.6472 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37500 @ 0.00027092 = 10.1595 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: BTCT.CO (BTC Trading Corp) Server with Code (also ran litecoinglobal.com) ... ( http://bit.ly/1G2h2ob )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43072 @ 0.00026921 = 11.5954 BTC [-]
jurov: "Replying from my cell, please forgive any typos." O.o
jurov: prolly meant cellphone, tho
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> havelel is manually processing withdrawals << FIRST EVER!
mircea_popescu: THOUGHT LEADERS ! INDUSTRI BEST LARGEST
asciilifeform: l0ldustry
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166372 @ 0.00026565 = 44.1967 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform wonders where everybody went... reading the sr mega-turd? hacking on pogotron? beating off rabid weasels ?
nubbins`: ^ 2nd
nubbins`: where are the nand read/write utils located in new turdel?
asciilifeform: in the path
asciilifeform: # which nandwrite
asciilifeform: /usr/sbin/nandwrite
asciilifeform: nanddump is also there
nubbins`: a-ha, found em.
nubbins`: okay, so that confirms it
asciilifeform: confirms what
nubbins` has baked his own v2 pogotron from source
asciilifeform: congrats nubbins` !!
nubbins`: tyvm! :D
nubbins`: gonna sha512 my tarballs now & post to ml
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, nubbins`, danielpbarron et al: is there any interest in the pheature i discussed in october (?) where one pogo would deflower another, virginal unit ?
asciilifeform: through crossover cable
asciilifeform: (i do not presently know if the nic on pogo has auto-crossover)
asciilifeform: this would involve, at the minimum, the 'male' starting up a dhcp server prior to the 'female' being powered up
asciilifeform: this process would have to be triggered in some way.
asciilifeform: that's the part i got stuck on
asciilifeform: what's the trigger ?
asciilifeform: alternatively:
asciilifeform: 'male' pogo sitting on normal lan with one of more 'females' could be manually triggered to spoodge, using the telnet shell and a util that takes argument of female's ip
thestringpuller: i come back to computers having sex?!?
danielpbarron: ;;isitdown wiki.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: wiki.bitcoin-assets.com is down
danielpbarron: ;;isitdown log.bitcoin-assets.com
asciilifeform: (what would be involved: it triggers the backdoor - see log - then transfers over nandwrite; then payload; then fires)
gribble: log.bitcoin-assets.com is down
asciilifeform: ^ works here
danielpbarron: the search is also not up-to-date
mircea_popescu: you can use log1 ad interim
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ^
danielpbarron: actually ya, log. loads eventually; wiki doesn't though
mircea_popescu: (fwiw, i see log. but intermittently0
danielpbarron: search won't find results past this line -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2015#1079336
assbot: Logged on 30-03-2015 05:43:56; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i might get to it tomorrow night
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96650 @ 0.00025994 = 25.1232 BTC [-]
nubbins`: the upside of this is that you could turdify a whole stack of pogos at once
nubbins`: <+asciilifeform> what's the trigger ? <<< hold reset while powering up unit to boot it in "erect" mode?
jurov: what, the pogo won't have any management interface beyond that button?
jurov: shat if i want to check how many connections/ block height it has?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58650 @ 0.00026007 = 15.2531 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: morse code in lights
nubbins`: mp will say that if you wanna check how many connections, throw it out and buy a new one
nubbins`: what do you want, it's $19 :D
trinque: heh, there are printers with embedded menu systems kinda like that
trinque: but they at least have a place for output
mircea_popescu: omg the haters
mod6: haters_everywhere.jpg
assbot: Logged on 30-03-2015 16:42:29; mike_c: BingoBoingo: see NYT article, they (correctly) just call him mr. force.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2015#1079604 << well, they could imaginarily take it. there's no limits to imagination!
assbot: Logged on 30-03-2015 16:45:05; mike_c: because if it was actually "sizable".. and they didn't get it back..
jurov: don't forget it's not $19 for me. at least 31 euro
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2015#1079610 << isn't this also the dude with the weirdo positions re gavincoins ?
assbot: Logged on 30-03-2015 16:46:05; assbot: Bitcoin's Rugged Individualism | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1ErlcWa )
mircea_popescu: that he then accidentally forgot to either softlaunch here or defend afterwards ?
mircea_popescu: jurov stands to reason that if one wants to run a devel pogo they'd run the devel pogo rather than the cement pogo ? or am i missing something ?
jurov: "how do i check it's working" "nah, shut up"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> that he then accidentally forgot to either softlaunch here or defend afterwards ? << Yes
jurov: ^^ applies to cement pogo, too
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski it's not clear to me facebook is a "technology". if every tripod/myspace clone with an advertising budget were a technology then you should probably avoid tap water.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: jurov: pogo won't have any management interface beyond that button? << that button (ought to) spawn a telnetd with root shell. what more management could one want ??!
mircea_popescu: jurov you could connect to it.
mircea_popescu: as a node i mean.
jurov: ah i missed that.
jurov: that solves the triggering of male pogo
asciilifeform: (for anyone who slept through pogotron/pogotron-v2, the current version spawns telnetd by default on every boot)
nubbins`: <+jurov> don't forget it's not $19 for me. at least 31 euro << $35cad for me!
asciilifeform: ... and will approach $maxint as they run out.
nubbins`: wholesale guy said he might increase from $20 to $30 soon because of recent interest, in the meantime
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33176 @ 0.00025738 = 8.5388 BTC [-]
nubbins`: so if anyone feels like getting some more, maybe we should pool our resources and get a buttload at once
nubbins`: bbl die siedler von catan!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109003 @ 0.00025623 = 27.9298 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113454 @ 0.00025819 = 29.2927 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: if somebody wants to get a rail car full of'em, the time to do so is probably now
asciilifeform: and not after another month or three of 'recent interest'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5754 @ 0.00026052 = 1.499 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: esp. since we are not the only ones who can use 'buildroot' etc.
asciilifeform: it is all posted publicly after all.
thestringpuller: a railcar sounds expensive
asciilifeform: costs probably less than first class air to istanbul on one outing of mircea_popescu and his pets
thestringpuller: that's like 3 years living expenses for me...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53000 @ 0.00025881 = 13.7169 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: the inevitable 'price of open source' is that we made pogo suddenly considerably more appetizing for just about everybody.
asciilifeform: even folks who just want a nas without proprietary turdware
thestringpuller: nas makes me think of the rapper
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80487 @ 0.00025707 = 20.6908 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109213 @ 0.00025477 = 27.8242 BTC [-] {3}
decimation: asciilifeform: you could probably run nfs
decimation: maybe even with kerberos
thestringpuller: ick kerberos...
decimation: it's really annoying to configure
thestringpuller: and even more painful to configure "right"
thestringpuller: it blows up all the time from my experience.
decimation: one of the problems is that 99% of the installations use winblows for the key server
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think that's so bad, really. let that everybody hack on them
decimation: re: discussion about ntp < I thought the conclusion of that thread is that the timestamp of the latest incoming bitcoin transation ought to determine the clock time
decimation: or something like that
mircea_popescu: ;;seen brendafdez
gribble: brendafdez was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 2 hours, 25 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <brendafdez> mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering.
mircea_popescu: !rate brendafdez Highly intelligent and utterly self-destructive. Will stick around for as long as the former appears to mask the latter.
assbot: Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.
mircea_popescu: !rate brendafdez -1 Highly intelligent and utterly self-destructive. Will stick around for as long as the former appears to mask the latter.
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/0b91a325c61ae482
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.brendafdez.-1:99c85240d655d8874bfc63e85c4d96eab4222b144bd7b518ea6a0ffbd3a9fac7
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for brendafdez from 1 to -1 with note: Highly intelligent and utterly self-destructive. Will stick around for as long as the former appears to mask the latter.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2015#1079687 << why exactly would the guy "hafta pay fines" anyway ?
assbot: Logged on 30-03-2015 17:26:44; fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/9sxBf51.png
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2015#1079748 << very different people, very different us.
assbot: Logged on 30-03-2015 17:36:51; ascii_field: as it was for certain mafia dons
mircea_popescu: at the time, the united states was like, a world leader.
mod6: ;;later tell funkenstein I don't think you're in assbot's WoT, see about regestering with assbot. http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
gribble: The operation succeeded.
danielpbarron: he is with an underscore
mircea_popescu: !gettrust funkenstein_
assbot: is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: that didn't help.
danielpbarron: the woodcoin guy right?
mircea_popescu: log yeah
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2015#1079771 << cops helped me break into my own house once.
assbot: Logged on 30-03-2015 17:41:02; nubbins`: did i mention that i saw a cop help someone break into a house earlier?
mircea_popescu: three hours with the fucking ram because apparently no fucking blacksmith existed anymore.
danielpbarron: !gettrust funkenstein_
assbot: Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user funkenstein_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/danielpbarron/funkenstein_ | http://w.b-a.link/user/funkenstein_
danielpbarron slaps assbot around a bit with a large extra space
mircea_popescu: hory hseit
mircea_popescu: !gettrust mircea_popescu
assbot: and are not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: !gettrust mircea_popescu
assbot: and are not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: !gettrust derp herp and mircea_popescu
assbot: derp and herp are not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: !gettrust derp herp mircea_popescu and yourmom
assbot: derp and herp are not registered in WoT.
assbot: software security blog: TLS v1.2 sigalgs remote crash (CVE-2015-0291) ... ( http://bit.ly/1HYXCRw )
mod6: !gettrust 6B0D10D1878DE25B4DA2695AB2B6360488298AB6
assbot: 6B0D10D1878DE25B4DA2695AB2B6360488298AB6 is not registered in WoT.
mod6: !gettrust funkenstein_
assbot: Trust relationship from user mod6 to user funkenstein_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/mod6/funkenstein_ | http://w.b-a.link/user/funkenstein_
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 181161 @ 0.00025414 = 46.0403 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16710 @ 0.00025362 = 4.238 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140400 @ 0.00025361 = 35.6068 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000078.html
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> three hours with the fucking ram because apparently no fucking blacksmith existed anymore. << l0l, mircea_popescu got a free penetration test from enemy
mircea_popescu: this was long ago
asciilifeform: timestamp of the latest incoming bitcoin transation ought to determine the clock time << this promises to be very gnarly and even non-monotonic unless we're very careful
mircea_popescu: block. blocks are the timekeeping device
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> ... brendafdez -1 Highly intelligent and utterly self-destructive << wai wat, was this in-channel? iirc this person simply vanished into thin air without so much as a squeak
mircea_popescu: just my impression.
asciilifeform: in other news, i had a most peculiar '1024 chickens'-flavoured thought -
asciilifeform: small multicopters could be built which tesselate.
asciilifeform: lifting whatever size load as one wishes, like balloons
asciilifeform: this is simpler than it sounds because they are traditionally built in such a way that operator sets desired angle and motors 'bang-bang' with pde dampening until it is achieved
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> just my impression. << Seems right for an unexplained workweek long disappearance without warning, right after getting things to do
asciilifeform: the choppers will snap together like children's 'lego' and share control and power bus
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's also much harder than it sounds, because of all sorts of scale effwects
asciilifeform: one could also, presumably, have 'tiles' which only carry battery (or only thrusters) depending on whether endurance is at a premium
mircea_popescu: meanwhile a 20mw powerplant is 1-200k or some shit.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's the thing, they have excellent behaviour when perturbed
asciilifeform: i recall kicking diametric's chopper in mid-air and it only wobbled a bit.
assbot: A Swarm of Nano Quadrotors - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EX33dG )
asciilifeform: swarms are old news
asciilifeform: and yes, we all saw that one
decimation: ah I see you want them to physically connect together
asciilifeform: share power and control bus
asciilifeform: buy as many as needed to carry load.
asciilifeform: like balloons.
assbot: Sikorsky S-64 Skycrane - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1EX3eFI )
asciilifeform: also gives a degree of redundancy
asciilifeform: go shoot a machine with 8192 airscrews of which only 512 are needed
asciilifeform: or the like.
asciilifeform: (each 3 having own battery!)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a simple exercise : given each element applies a force F on a random vector, calculate the shear force - probability function for a string of 100 such.
decimation: I wonder if there is some kind of diminishing returns with having so many rotors in the same area
asciilifeform: decimation: not if far enough apart
asciilifeform: how far - is for the folks who actually want to try this
asciilifeform: in life.
decimation: they would need some kind of rods to form a web
mircea_popescu: the sykorsky is ~7mw
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: only 'random' to the extent calculations are off (plus wind, vibration)
mircea_popescu: right. just as a mechanical engineering problem.
mircea_popescu: soon enough you gotta make your bots out of titanium.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: except that the error does not compound.
asciilifeform: any given point in the 'fabric' is equivalent.
asciilifeform: other than the graph edges.
mircea_popescu: i have my doubts.
mircea_popescu: seems exactly the sort of thing to get freak compounding nonsense in.
asciilifeform: draw, see.
asciilifeform: i'd build it in such a way as to let it jettison dead tiles, too
asciilifeform: why let them drag machine down.
asciilifeform: (in peacetime this may be a bad idea, they will fall on someone's head)
asciilifeform: anyway, i'm not certain what the point of this is, in practice, but having failed to find any traces of it existing, thought it fit to post here.
mircea_popescu: the problem is tho : the electric machines suck specifically for being electric. this isn't fixed by assembling more of them.
mircea_popescu: the golden standard (carnot cycle) is too big generally, rather than too small.
decimation: re: carnot < one of the mistakes louis xvi made was not recognizing and promoting him
decimation: 'welfare for nobles' displaced competence
decimation: except the Carnot cycle guy was his son, I was mistaken
mircea_popescu: decimation he was born either just before or jsut after revolution
mircea_popescu: nothing much left of the king by the time he was 16.
decimation: carnot the father was born 1756
decimation: err 1753
mircea_popescu: you mean lazare ?!
mircea_popescu: what was to recognise/promote ? guy was iirc a military officer with interests in mechanics.
assbot: Federal Agents Who Persecuted Ulbricht Arrested | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1EX4Nnj )
decimation: well according to the history to which I have been listening, he was fustrated by his inability to advance beyond a junior officer
mircea_popescu: mebbe he was, i have nfi
decimation: and part of the reason why he couldn't advance was because the ministry's reforms of the army tended to favor derpy nobles over young talent
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111239 @ 0.0002535 = 28.1991 BTC [-] {3}
decimation: re: Freiherr Hammerstein-Equord's quote < Yes, USG specializes in promoting the stupid and industrious
assbot: A Churchill 'Quote' That U.S. Politicians Will Never Surrender : It's All Politics : NPR ... ( http://bit.ly/1EX5CMF )
decimation: "As King put it: "Winston Churchill once famously observed that Americans will always do the right thing, only after they have tried everything else.""
mircea_popescu: the space of everything else's sadly incomputable.
decimation: yeah, that quote seems dubious
decimation: Freiherr Hammerstein-Equord's 'method' (if true) built one of the greatest professional land armies the world has every seen
decimation: but ultimately fell to USSR & USA's Levée en masse
asciilifeform: i will now take the liberty of calling the hypothetical machine 'freyacopter'
asciilifeform: (is there anyone who doesn't understand why ?)
asciilifeform: and no, it doesn't make storage battery suck less
asciilifeform: but i came up with it for a reason. sat the other day for a long time thinking of mircea_popescu's observation that 'industrial product is crud' and the only place where industry wins is - scale
asciilifeform: 50,000 birthday balloons are cheaper than airplane. but not very much use to fly. on the other hand, if a freyacopter tile lifts, e.g., 500g...
asciilifeform: 50 of'em will lift a boy
asciilifeform: 100 - a man
asciilifeform: (thin man)
asciilifeform: and scale, scale. (of production, that is)
mircea_popescu: how much do you pay per bithday balloon ?
decimation: asciilifeform: after Gerhard Frey?
asciilifeform: freya, with her housecat chariot.
asciilifeform thought it was obvious
mircea_popescu: some very simple math : cheapo chinese copter toy = $100. cessna, $100k. cessna powerplant = 100kW. chinese copter toy = 10W
mircea_popescu: you're short a degree of magnitude.
decimation 's schooling failed to include Norse myth
asciilifeform: 'cessna' lifts a good bit of own weight
asciilifeform: compared to pilot
mircea_popescu: so will your toys.
decimation: two 180 lb men + full feul for a cessna 152
BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
asciilifeform: at any rate, everyone is missing the point
asciilifeform: cessna is piss-poor for economy of scale
mircea_popescu: the degree of magnitude should be the other way.
asciilifeform: because it doesn't break into 10,000 identical pieces
asciilifeform: each of which is a toy
decimation: asciilifeform: except cessna is more efficient at moving horizontally for distance
asciilifeform: -identical-
asciilifeform: more efficient, yes
asciilifeform: but so long as freyacopter could possibly work (and there is no reason why the machines currently existing, with about 1:1 useful lift to own weight ratio and around 1/2hr of endurance on standard battery)
asciilifeform: it is a more efficient -product of industry-
asciilifeform: thinkaboutit
mircea_popescu: half hour flight ?
mircea_popescu: so basically this can be used for a bus ride ?
asciilifeform: on standard cell. if some of the load is added cells - longer ride.
decimation: ^ could build liquid fuel version
mircea_popescu: so if all the load is cells, long busride ?
asciilifeform: have tiles which are batteries only. or even small generators
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: decimation yes but there's a reason they have bipropellers and quad propellers, rather than thousandprops
asciilifeform: choppers aren't meant to cross continents, at any rate
asciilifeform: they are always 'bus'
mircea_popescu: if you look at the relative size of a plane when it moves from two to four it's abundantly clear what the sweetspot is like
decimation: or 'skyhook'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in as far as i am able to ascertain the reason, it appears to be because no one has suggested tiles.
asciilifeform: immensely difficult -except- in this precise way.
decimation: actually one could imagine some copters joining the swarm with horizontal attachment
mircea_popescu: look, a combustion engine works from about half liter to about five. that's what it does.
mircea_popescu: making a 2 cc combustion engine is more expensive than 1/50 of making a 1000 cc one.
mircea_popescu: and even this 2 cc combustion engine will beat the shit out of your electrical 10 watt engine
decimation: ^not the engine but the power source
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: performance - will beat the shit.
asciilifeform: cost - no.
asciilifeform: how many gasoline-powered toys at your local toy store?
mircea_popescu: or maybe the only reason you think so atm is because you're looking at the dynamic equilibrium of proces as if it were static
decimation: some folks use gas r/c aircraft and cars
asciilifeform: in practice, less metal - less cost.
mircea_popescu: what if the only reason electric seems cheap now is that we don't use it.
mircea_popescu: decimation tiny turboprop or jet works better than tiny engine yea
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this depends on whether there is reserve capacity
asciilifeform: (to produce the item)
mircea_popescu: but then we're back to rockets, and sure, "tile of rockets", consider the mechanical problem that got brushed asiude above
asciilifeform: rockets don't have millisecond-adjustable thrust!
asciilifeform: at least, not solid-fueled
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform peak oil vs peak copper. except peak oil allows an infinity of capacity to be deployed as long as the sum consumption is under X
asciilifeform: toy propellers - do.
mircea_popescu: whereas peak copper allows only this much capacity ever being deployed.
decimation: yeah but both piston & turboprops/jets need golden toilet metallurgy and production
mircea_popescu: different dynamica, diff price curves.
decimation: ^ toy jets don't have millisecond adjustable thrust either
asciilifeform: what will happen to the parts when 'peak x' is reached for every element in mendeleev table is an interesting question, but unlikely to get there purely by virtue of making toy choppers.
asciilifeform: we'll get there, or not, regardless.
mircea_popescu: people who casually do not realise the importance of peak copper in limiting human history are invited to read up on ww2 economic history
mircea_popescu: or for that matter, greek classical period.
asciilifeform: peak copper is already here. except that massive drop in demand on account of fiber.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason the first coin in the world was a bar of copper.
asciilifeform: and fucktons of cable waiting to be melted.
mircea_popescu: it's still a finite supply.
asciilifeform: naturally.
mircea_popescu: and i suspect not enough to move economy to your model.
mircea_popescu: ie : this toy will stay a toy.
asciilifeform: damnit, it wasn't to fly every man woman child dog cat around for the next eternity.
asciilifeform: it was a wunderwaffen.
mircea_popescu: you said
asciilifeform: i don't do eternities.
asciilifeform: i do the next few years i'm likely to remain alive.
decimation: ^ women children dog cat fly in aluminium tubes with rare metal spinning disks
mircea_popescu: if that's what it is, you're buying a cessna.
asciilifeform can't afford even the back half of a cessna
asciilifeform but probably could afford 10,000 1kg lifters.
asciilifeform fortunately doesn't need to fly around the neighbourhood very much, so gedankenexperiment can stay one
decimation: there are actually many uses for a cheap 'skyhook'
asciilifeform: i also must say that the idea appeals to me not only because of cost
asciilifeform: but because of the implicit transformation from 'item' to 'fabric'
asciilifeform: solving, potentially, a problem unsolved since daedalus's wings
asciilifeform: that is, single points of failure in flying machine.
asciilifeform: so long as you have sufficient spare tiles - you stay aloft.
mircea_popescu: i suspect this is not akin the myth that 1900s ocean liners had solved a problem since idem.
asciilifeform: liner - had central point.
asciilifeform: the whole story of 'titanic' is about this.
decimation: more like 1024 nuclear-powered lifeboats
asciilifeform: but sure, if you get hit by big enough object (rocket, mountain, hell - the ground) - splat
mircea_popescu: yea, until your tile splits in the middle and the halves slam into each other.
asciilifeform: but only because it takes out all of you at same time.
asciilifeform: or hey, pilot could split in the middle.
decimation: asciilifeform: actually as long as the swarm was operating within a short range of ground, there's no reason why it might not connect to a power 'tether'
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asciilifeform: decimation: tethers in flight are ick
asciilifeform: got power lines in your street ?
decimation: heh yeah maryland has shit infrastructure
asciilifeform: zimbabweryland
decimation: wash dc power 'customers' can be reliably expected to 1.) whine about a single tree branch trimmed by the power company and 2.) whine when the tree knocks out the power
asciilifeform: my fiber goes through several trees. it is only a matter of time until 'day x.'
asciilifeform: i live with this.
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asciilifeform: (live how? fallback isp. sorta like what mircea_popescu does)
decimation: asciilifeform: your cell device?
decimation: surely you don't pay both comast AND verizon
decimation: the thought causes bile to rise
asciilifeform: decimation: nah yet another cell
asciilifeform: stationary modem that isn't used normally
decimation: I wonder if telephone modems are still a thing
asciilifeform: decimation: specifically -not- where verizon fiber went
asciilifeform: they tore out the copper.
asciilifeform: illegally.
decimation: the fcc arrested them I'm sure
asciilifeform: i have a thick hanging severed limb of it here.
asciilifeform: goes nowhere.
asciilifeform: last i heard (years ago) there was a court order compelling them to stop chopping
asciilifeform: but not to rebuild
decimation: well, the whole thing backfired now that the replacement service was going to be classified title II
asciilifeform: decimation: if it does, they probably will be permitted to tear out and melt down the copper
asciilifeform: winning massively
mircea_popescu: so stupid that shit anyway. through and through.
mircea_popescu: aerial cables, bad idea. trees and cable, horrible idea. etc.
decimation: ^stupid and industrious
asciilifeform: decimation: right now it's in a kind of limbo
mircea_popescu: who the fuck heard of not cutting tree branches ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they cut'em
decimation: the aerial cables are a result of 1950's era build-out
mircea_popescu: anyway, that's all for me. tomoror!
decimation: noone gave a fuck, and land was cheap
asciilifeform: aerial - 10x cheaper than buried.
decimation: now land is dear, and no one wants to pay to bury the lines
asciilifeform: (short-term, that is. which is the only model of concern to these people)
assbot: Montgomery County puts aside tree trimming complaints against Pepco | WashingtonExaminer.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1xR8Gx2 )
decimation: "Montgomery County Council President Roger Berliner introduced the tree-protection measure in April, following widespread complaints from residents about the power company's aggressive trimming of trees around its power lines."
decimation: ^ a pretty good sample of the way people think in maryland
decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/pepco-angers-montgomery-county-neighborhood-residents-by-pruning-beloved-cherry-trees/2012/07/18/gJQAqPqMvW_story.html < "As the men in hard hats hacked away, Julie Marcis and her husband confronted the crew, pleading with them to stop ruining the trees.“You feel like your insides are crumbling when you look at what they did,” Marcis said. “You have no control, you can’t do anything, short
assbot: Pepco angers Montgomery County residents by pruning beloved cherry trees - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1xR9Qss )
decimation: of throwing yourself in front of one of their trucks to stop them, which I considered.”" < lol
asciilifeform: !s cixi
assbot: 4 results for 'cixi' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cixi
asciilifeform: the infamous queen, who despised steam engine for 'too loud'
decimation: heh yeah sounds about right
decimation: except wash dc has a million cixis
asciilifeform: decimation: at any rate, precisely these folks will be the first to lose civilization permanently
asciilifeform: because when the wires fall - they don't merely fall, they short out substations
asciilifeform: substation transformers in usa are in severe shortage
asciilifeform: and getting worse.
decimation: supposedly this is why the 'carrington event' would be so terrible
decimation: because it would take months to build the transformers
asciilifeform: ^ vastly optimistic
asciilifeform: the building would have to take place on another, spare planet where there wasn't a magnetopocalypse.
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decimation: yeah, the really bad thing is that the damage would be global in scale
decimation: “I had a cherry tree that died about 10 years ago. I cut out a part, and had a ceremony for it,” Campbell said. “I burnt it as part of an offering. I was thinking of getting others in the community to do it, and have a healing ceremony.”
asciilifeform: there is exactly one cure for this kind of mental pathology. the good news is that it -will- be prescribed. whether the 'patient' wants, or not.
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nubbins`: i wonder how many people have printed private keys on thermal paper and subsequently hot-laminated the result
asciilifeform: nubbins`: depending on the paper and the laminator - not necessarily disastrous
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99500 @ 0.00025242 = 25.1158 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: incidentally, all thermal papers fade
asciilifeform: some - very quickly
asciilifeform: anyone who saves receipts, ought to know this
nubbins` has destroyed important receipts by putting in wallet
nubbins`: who updates thebitcoin.foundation again? jurov / kakobrekla ?
asciilifeform: thermal paper is great for things that -need- to be destroyed
asciilifeform: e.g., one time pads
asciilifeform: keep away from uv, doesn't fade so much
nubbins`: oh wait it's mod6
nubbins`: mod6, just a suggestion: put the 0.5.3.1 release note under the link rather than over it. it looks like it's attached to the original 0.5.3
mod6: yeah, aight. thx.
nubbins`: you might also wish to put a small blurb under 0.5.3 just noting that to the best of your knowledge, it's vintage legit
mod6: ron burgandy is killing right now :]
nubbins`: or w/e
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 258168 @ 0.00025824 = 66.6693 BTC [+] {4}
mod6: aight, like that any better?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 193639 @ 0.00025207 = 48.8106 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: yeah that's nb
mod6: ok thx
nubbins`: the <ul> structure won't really support this sort of per-release comment going forward, give me 5 minutes
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [02:35] the problem is tho : the electric machines suck specifically for being electric << different powerplants for different regimes
ben_vulpes: electric kicks ass for power density
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