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ben_vulpes: traveling wave dildo?
asciilifeform: (much unexplored design space in dildonics. for instance, a cylindrical/topologically-toroidal 'conveyor' with belt that recirculates through inner hollow, could product impression of infinite length)
asciilifeform: *produce
ben_vulpes: i think augur designs exist approximating this.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: auger ?
ben_vulpes: but you'll have to tell me how effective they are, asciilifeform.
ben_vulpes: yes, yes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, i actually had this design made, and tried on live girls.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00037831 = 14.7163 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: !
asciilifeform: how'd it go?!
asciilifeform: and which - toroidal, or wave ?
mircea_popescu: best intro to fisting.
mircea_popescu: basically a flatish torus, looks like a cylinder from outside
asciilifeform: don't suppose a photo was published ?
mircea_popescu: was not. fucking complicated even without involving the cameras.
mircea_popescu: its main advantage tho, is that it reduces any need for friction.
asciilifeform: damnit, here i was, thinking i'd actually invented something useful, l0l
mircea_popescu: well what, invented a geometric shape ?
mircea_popescu: it's not 500bc anymore, you know.
asciilifeform: the idea of toroidal 'belt sander' as dildatron
mircea_popescu: more like track than belt sander rly.
mircea_popescu: PERISTALSIS!
asciilifeform: the subject on the right looks like an anthropomorphic 'cock'n'balls'
asciilifeform: very mindfuck
mod6: trinque: awesome thanks!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43134 @ 0.00037724 = 16.2719 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 9132 @ 0.00027068 = 2.4718 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: til yahoo owns tumblr
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106608 @ 0.00041472 = 44.2125 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: exactly.
asciilifeform: srsly !?!
asciilifeform: the 64-quintillion-zimbabwollar question being,
asciilifeform: which direction did they prefer
asciilifeform: infinitum-in or infinitum-out
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97594 @ 0.00041605 = 40.604 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: 'peristaltic' version is exactly the above, except the track is of non-uniform thickness (roughly sinusoidal along its length)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00041174 = 6.6908 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: and there is no reason why this apparatus - or a slightly scaled down one - could not function as a 'milking machine'
cazalla: mircea_popescu, that is ofn and yahoo paid a pretty penny from memory
asciilifeform had the idea roughly a decade ago, but no application.
mircea_popescu: cazalla seems so yea
asciilifeform: !up Vexual
assbot: Federal Register | Special Conditions: Boeing Model 777-200, -300, and -300ER Series Airplanes; Aircraft Electronic System Security Protection From Unauthorized Internal Access ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKMNPP )
asciilifeform: 'The proposed architecture is novel or unusual for commercial transport airplanes by enabling connection to previously isolated data networks connected to systems that perform functions required for the safe operation of the airplane.'
asciilifeform: (Monday, November 18, 2013)
Vexual: why can't i catch a nuke sub to somewhere?
cazalla: Vexual, we don't have em here do we?
Vexual: nope, we can't even make a canoe
Vexual: we do, but they are very noisy
cazalla: collins class? they are diesel
Vexual: yah, right
assbot: FAA Says Commercial Drone Operators Need Exemption. But Doesn't Prosecute Those Flying Without One. - Forbes ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKObBK )
Vexual: its an and or thing
asciilifeform: these fuckwads can't just shut up, it seems
asciilifeform: wrong link
assbot: Hijacking Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 From Electronics Bay? Not Possible. - Forbes ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKOsoz )
asciilifeform: ^ correct link
ben_vulpes: Vexual: you're a...nuke canoe! nuke canoe!
Vexual checks an app cannon on the horizon
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: those girls were south korean iirc
gabriel_laddel: anyways, all chinese girls are ugly?
gabriel_laddel: nonsense
gabriel_laddel: .chinabait
Vexual: lol
Vexual: wanna buy a prisma?
gabriel_laddel: ^ she is Chinese.
Vexual: no shit
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: take'em to usa and feed for six months or so (not longer!)
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: nah, the Chinese have a class system thing going on.
cazalla: gabriel_laddel, 2nd looks a bit haggard
gabriel_laddel: they elites eat well
gabriel_laddel: lol it's the same girl
Vexual: cazalla, shes evidently pretty
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: complicated. phytoestrogens in rice, soy are part of the story
gabriel_laddel: and I know her irl, she is drunk in the 2nd photo
asciilifeform: so not purely matter of malnutrition
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: ah, do elaborate
cazalla: gabriel_laddel, did ya bang her?
asciilifeform invites interested readers to carry out own inquiries
cazalla: my missus has a china doll in her mum's group, she is one of the best chinese women i've seen and we have truckloads of em here down under
ben_vulpes: A PETE
cazalla: gabriel_laddel, sure, just let me ask the missus for pics of her friend from facebook :P
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: thanks for that adams short.
ben_vulpes: i read it to lady v on our morning stroll for great lulz.
gabriel_laddel: cazalla: wtf is this 'asking' you speak of
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: ha! she enjoyed it i take it ?
ben_vulpes: cazalla: yeah, just crack open the girl's facebook
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: and if she hadn't it'd have been educational regardless
ben_vulpes: wait hang on there was context for this conversation
cazalla: gabriel_laddel, maybe one day if she moves away or they're no longer friends but would be a bit strange for me to share pics of her on irc
gabriel_laddel: lolk. I'm sorta half joking (and sorta half not).
ben_vulpes: i'm not
ben_vulpes: cazalla: come now, nobody knows who you are or the girls are
pete_dushenski: lol perfect
ben_vulpes: i see this sign every morning, yet this morning it brought to mind your...reprinting of the adams short.
Vexual: strawberry dog poo petey
pete_dushenski: the number of spoon-feeding, hand-holding signs present in the western world is atrocious
gabriel_laddel: !up Vexual
Vexual: thnaks gab
pete_dushenski: douglas adams is a charming way of overcoming the rage
Vexual: isn't he dead?
pete_dushenski: "We are also in the process of forming partnerships with third parties in the industry; George, Jutta and myself managing this process; I’m happy to announce that at least three exchanges will be supporting Ether from day one on their trading platforms (details of which we’ll annouce soon), with more exchanges to follow."
pete_dushenski: "I also finished the first draft of ICAP, the Ethereum Inter-exchange Client Address Protocol, an IBAN-compatible system for referencing and transacting to client accounts aimed to streamline the process of transfering funds, worry-free between exchanges and, ultimately, make KYC and AML pains a thing of the past."
pete_dushenski: "Proof-of-Concept releases VII and VIII were released. NatSpec, “natural language specification format” and the basis of our transaction security was prototyped and integrated. Under Marek’s watch, now helped by Fabian, ethereum.js is truly coming of age with a near source-level compatibility with Solidity on contract interaction and support for the typed ABI with calling and events, the latter providing h
pete_dushenski: assle-free state-change reporting."
pete_dushenski: Since our blockchain has a number of important differences with the Bitcoin blockchain (mainly in transaction density), stemming from the extremely short 12s block time we’re aiming for, we would have to use not the blockchain data itself like Hashimoto but rather an artifcially created dataset, done with an algorithm known as Dagger (yes, some will remember it as Vitalik’s first and flawed attempt at a memo
pete_dushenski: ry-hard proof-of-work).
pete_dushenski: While this looked like a good direction to be going in, a swift audit of Vitalik and Matt’s initial algorithm by Tim Hughes (ex-Director of Technology at Frontier Developments and expert in low-level CPU and GPU operation and optimisation) showed major flaws. "
pete_dushenski: "When deep in nitty gritty of development you sometimes forget quite how world-altering the technology you’re creating is, which is probably just as well since the gravity of the matter at hand would be continually distracting. "
assbot: | Gav's Ethereum DEV Update ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKSLQL )
pete_dushenski: the above quotes being for posterity
pete_dushenski: and lulz
pete_dushenski: given that mp's short contract date is fast approaching, this seems quite relevant
assbot: A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum's Genesis Sale Offers | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKT3XF )
ben_vulpes: ah cool
ben_vulpes: so they baked "free usg thermorecal exams" into the protocol
ben_vulpes: thermorectal
ben_vulpes: i can't even be fucking arsed.
punkman: ben_vulpes: http://imgur.com/CWCOGkO << I like it, but needs more shaming
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: btw, many SK girls get plastic surgery to look more western. If you ever spend enough time with them you'll start to see the differences between koreans and 'koreans'
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assbot: France wants companies to make appliances that last longer - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1EcXo6h )
ben_vulpes: babe's got great tits
ben_vulpes: pretty bad dancing in that video tho
pete_dushenski: "Criminals in the US are using the new Apple Pay mobile payment system to buy high-value goods – often from Apple Stores – with stolen identities and credit card details." << le shock!
pete_dushenski: "The crooks have not broken the secure encryption around Apple Pay’s fingerprint-activated wireless payment mechanism. Instead, they are setting up new iPhones with stolen personal information, and then calling banks to “provision” the victim’s card on the phone to use it to buy goods. "
pete_dushenski: but it's somehow cash that's dangerous
pete_dushenski: because reasons.
assbot: 2014 Financial Statement XBRL Files and Annual Report ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKXEsR )
cazalla: who eats the chargeback? apple?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116348 @ 0.00040555 = 47.1849 BTC [-] {4}
pete_dushenski: cazalla: i'm guessing banks issuing the credit cards
punkman: more likely whoever owns the apple store
assbot: Apple Pay: a new frontier for scammers | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKYje1 )
pete_dushenski: "Abraham says: “Fraud in Apple Pay… came as a surprise to all” " << mhm. right.
fluffypony: pete_dushenski: analogous to "The fraud came as a surprise. He seemed like such a nice guy. I definitely didn't expect him to scam anyone."
pete_dushenski: yup. 'he had such a friendly smile'
fluffypony: 'as he stabbed me and raped my bloody corpse'
mircea_popescu: i step away for one second and what happens!
mircea_popescu: * ebit (rose@111.36.195.202) has joined #bitcoin-assets << why nobody ups noobs nomore!
punkman: !up roseebit
mircea_popescu: ello roseebit
pete_dushenski: "Pete, you should either give your money to a qualified money manager or go back to work." << kids and their ideas about success
mircea_popescu: cazalla / bingoboingo : just in case you were wondering where the ftp server went, turns out cpanel decided to upgrade stuff on the 23rd, failed to get pureftpd upgraded correctly, decided it's no longer needed and nuked it.
mircea_popescu: i've had it resolved.
pete_dushenski: 'you've been a successful investor for 15 years but that was just luck so you should trust a random hobo now'
mircea_popescu: o wait you have ?
mircea_popescu: 15 years that means since you were what, 16 ?
chetty: can't be having people do things, must have experts and authorities run our lives you know
pete_dushenski: and it was really more like 11, just rounding ;)
mircea_popescu: respek ma autoritah!
assbot: Cartman Respect My Authoritah - South Park - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnHhUs )
pete_dushenski: ya i started trading stocks on my parents' accounts before i was much interested in girls
pete_dushenski: or maybe it was around the same time
pete_dushenski: hmm, a theory developeth
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: How the adage “time is money” and the existence of Google+ prove that Facebook is worth less than dust. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GL3HgY )
pete_dushenski: it's mostly that brandon morin derp again, he of 'nazis aren't socialists' fame
pete_dushenski: well, as much 'fame' as random, non-WoT commenters on contravex can have
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ben_vulpes: two links for your review:
assbot: Heat Death: Venture Capital in the 1980s | Reaction Wheel ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnIBqg )
assbot: Why Bankers Will Continue to Make Just as Much as They Used To | Reaction Wheel ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnIzyT )
ben_vulpes: i've read them, found them interesting and full of insight, but submit them for the forum for my own education.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: to the second one, i reply 'bankers aren't the bad guys (tm)'
assbot: Bankers aren’t the bad guys. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnJ3oD )
pete_dushenski cuts himself off from more contravex links. that's enough for one evening.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ima read it.
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 06:56:08; gabriel_laddel: and I know her irl, she is drunk in the 2nd photo
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: bankers being bad guys or not is really not part of the linked piece.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039455 << you can link her to source, so as to explain why you want em. im sure she'll love the logs :D
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 06:58:20; cazalla: gabriel_laddel, sure, just let me ask the missus for pics of her friend from facebook :P
ben_vulpes: it's more about returns to "talent" vs return to equity.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: to my eye that article is about why the author doesn't like 'the market'
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 07:05:35; pete_dushenski: "Proof-of-Concept releases VII and VIII were released. NatSpec, “natural language specification format” and the basis of our transaction security was prototyped and integrated. Under Marek’s watch, now helped by Fabian, ethereum.js is truly coming of age with a near source-level compatibility with Solidity on contract interaction and support for the typed ABI with calling and events, the latter
pete_dushenski: when in fact that market is a result of too many and too perverse of regulations, not the result of a lack regulation
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: given that mp's short contract date is fast approaching, this seems quite relevant << kinda irrelevant, seeing how NOBODY.ACTUALLY.BOUGHT.
mircea_popescu: not as much as a dime's worth.
mircea_popescu: for all the pretense that there's "investment" in this nonsense.
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
pete_dushenski remembers
Vexual remwmbers
ben_vulpes has purged the scambuffer
ben_vulpes: replaced it with dicks in blondes mouth
Vexual: oooch
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: "The money has to go somewhere" << this argument is also be based on 'the problem of too much money'
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 07:35:10; punkman: http://berkshirehathaway.com/2014ar/linksannual14.html
pete_dushenski: the idea that bankers are inflating dollars of their own volition is a bit off
mircea_popescu: they're going to publish their reports in wrigley next.
pete_dushenski: on the inside of a silvery wrapper
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pete_dushenski: ;;ticker
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pete_dushenski: "In an interview with Reuters, Obama said he was concerned about Beijing's plans for a far-reaching counterterrorism law that would require technology firms to hand over encryption keys, the passcodes that help protect data, and install security "backdoors" in their systems to give Chinese authorities surveillance access." << 'but it worked for the us (tm)'
mircea_popescu: !up ebit_
mircea_popescu: for the record, being chinese doesn't make them special. they get as much access as obama gets.
Vexual: here here
Vexual: the lass is verily full
pete_dushenski: 7 months ?
mircea_popescu: could be 10.
Vexual: ripe
pete_dushenski: if she were an elephant
cazalla: mircea_popescu, lol nothing i say here would surprise the missus sharing pics of her friends would be one step too far, even for me
cazalla: missed a , there
mircea_popescu: well... i'll take your word re the babydoll then.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski the man is complaining about tin women ffs
ben_vulpes: anyways as a point of data, it's year 1.5ish of this insane enterprise, and i'm just now beginning to approach the salary of a "programmer" in my geographic region.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Vexual: im on the same money as one year ago
cazalla: the new australian chinese mums have a good scheme going on.. their mothers come here from china to cook/clean etc for a year so new mum can take it easy, explains why all all the other mums look tired but this china doll looks as good as ever
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: dude on one hand i constantly bemoan this: 'oh if only i were just freelancing i'd be rolling in the dough'
mircea_popescu: this is standard in sanity land.
mircea_popescu: how it worked in romania of the 80s too.
ben_vulpes: and on the other hand, well, nominal equity in a thing?
ben_vulpes: shit like...
ben_vulpes: I don’t believe payments to owners in professional services firms are the residual profits. And why should they be, when the employees can leave and set up shop across the street with almost no need for equity capital? In the implicit negotiation over distribution of revenue, the employees have all the bargaining power. The equity will be paid a fair return, but will not receive any structural
ben_vulpes: increases in revenue. On the other hand,
ben_vulpes: the equity will continue to bear the majority of the variability in profits. This view, while not the standard economic view, has the advantage of being supported by reality. (It also accounts for why non-partner-owned professional services firms tend to conglomerate, but that’s another post.)”
ben_vulpes: just rings too true for comfort though.
ben_vulpes: perhaps i'm insane or a particularly good scammer, but i can close deals that none of the programmers on staff could ever dream of. hilariously, because they're on staff.
ben_vulpes: but at the same time, because i'm not a nightmare to work with, i have a near-infinite sell wall of talent.
ben_vulpes: so basically i can't really figure anything out.
jurov: "peristaltic, multi-tentacular infinite length dildos" ... guess it was inevitable someday on this chan
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that made no sense. missing context ?
ben_vulpes: mk let's try again
ben_vulpes: "when the employees can leave and set up shop across the street with almost no need for equity capital" << this is absolutely true, except for the part where they have to close deals. make friends with checkbooks, convince checkbooks of non-retardation, etc.
ben_vulpes: "the equity will continue to bear the majority of the variability in profits" << painfully true.
mircea_popescu: how is it true ?
ben_vulpes: devs clock time, get paid hours. simple maffs.
Vexual: ascicminer sinsures all itsa subsiduriaries?
mircea_popescu: it seems a rehash of "i could code mpex in an afternoon. you kidding, it has no css even"
mircea_popescu: if THAT is what is meant by "equity" the speaker is a retard.
ben_vulpes: for tax reasons, i clock infinity hours, get paid exactly the same amount (for medicare/aid purposes) each month.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes essentially, i don't think you're proceeding on actually defined (or even considered) symbols.
ben_vulpes: that's certainly possible.
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : the article does the valuable service of reminind people of volcker's potion. yes, interest rates WERE 20% in 81.
mircea_popescu: and yes it did work. and no, the bezzle wasn't as bad then as it is now.
mircea_popescu: and yes that's what i'd do as fed chairman : interest hike to 35%.
ben_vulpes: what's a reasonable set of symbols?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes these can be fine if you can actually explain them. so, how is it true ?
Vexual: everything mariio bros
ben_vulpes: so equity being ownership stake in derpy consulting co.
ben_vulpes: profits being that which is left over after paying out contractors, staff, rent etc.
mircea_popescu: i don't think you understand what equity is.
mircea_popescu: equity is the accounting term for the philosophical notion of fairness.
mircea_popescu: so for instance : if you go fishing in my boat,
mircea_popescu: i have an equity interest in your fish. because it was my boat.
cazalla: Vexual, no idea, some people are pinning the theft on friedcat and provided a supposed chinese police report but turned out it was a .. random birth certificate
mircea_popescu: that equity is not the ownership of the boat, but an effect thereof.
Vexual: yeah busininess breed paranoia
mircea_popescu: this should readily resolve the apparent dilemma : if i do in fact have equity in your firm, it means i did something useful.
mircea_popescu: this means that if i hadn't the equity, it wouldn't be "the same thing".
Vexual: done and done
Vexual: verily
Vexual: ya can describe it otherwise, but the ounts unlike it
ben_vulpes: perhaps the dillema isn't so clear to me, likely due to symbolic confusion.
ben_vulpes: let's try again.
ben_vulpes: i could freelance, at some rate - let's say 2BTC/hr
ben_vulpes: (impossible, but for rounding errors)
ben_vulpes: instead, i coordinate work of the type i could perform on my own. that work costs me, let's say .8B. i bill at ~1.8. on volume, my take home is ~1.5B/hr (assuming 40hrs/wk, 50wks/yr. salary equality assumptions, etc.).
mircea_popescu: " They also remember the high-tech crash of 1984, and the screams of pain up and down Wall Street." << heh it nearly killed gaming altogether, and is responsible for killing consoles. (yes they still exist, but gaming is essentially a pc item)
ben_vulpes: the linked article on one hand doesn't make a terrific amount of sense to me because for whatever reason (perhaps i'm a particularly well-doing con man), i can sell into the buy side of "professional services" at rates that my "bankers" can't touch on their own.
ben_vulpes: on the other hand, during those thing months, the "bankers" walk with hours*rate, and i lose money.
mircea_popescu: that reason having a lot to do with the equity of your position, which you don't account for.
mircea_popescu: " my take home is ~1.5B/hr" [+ ??? B/hr in equity]
ben_vulpes: right, so we come back around to equity which i clearly don't understand formally.
ben_vulpes: yeah i have no idea how to account for that.
mircea_popescu: you do, yes. " except for the part where they have to close deals. make friends with checkbooks, convince checkbooks of non-retardation, etc"
mircea_popescu: those are all examples.
ben_vulpes: ouch.
mircea_popescu: hence my comment about "redoing mpex". the proposition that any two things are the same thing has serious problems in the marketplace.
ben_vulpes: actually, i totally get it all of a sudden.
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ben_vulpes: here's the thing that makes me discount my own equity though:
ben_vulpes: i can think of fifteen utterly moronic doodz doing running precisely the same hustle and making vastly more money at it.
ben_vulpes: 99% of that is likely attributable to simply how much longer they've been doing it for.
mircea_popescu: cash basis is a very poor accounting principle.
mircea_popescu: it's fundamentally what makes people chase college degrees instead of being plumbers ; and the impulse that makes people quit their job and take up gambling after a neighbour strikes the powerball.,
ben_vulpes: ugh yeah and ofc shartups.
ben_vulpes: so here's the thing about shartups:
mircea_popescu: you're better off with equity than with cash, provided you can distinguish good from bad
mircea_popescu: cash has this advantage, that it's all the same.
mircea_popescu: currently, that all the same means equally bad.
ben_vulpes: #bitcoin-assets, by the way, has made investing *harder* for me, not *easier*.
ben_vulpes: everything must be valued in not only dollar payouts, but twenty-one-millionth payouts.
ben_vulpes: and there's this impossible time horizon estimation problem that the "end of civilization" brings with it.
ben_vulpes: it's trivial to say "clearly whatever whatever power structure will fall over."
ben_vulpes: but fuck my life is it hard to put time horizons on that.
ben_vulpes: i'm leaning towards the fiatbezzle right now.
ben_vulpes: it's *gotta* have another 5 years left in it.
ben_vulpes: i suppose that this is more properly spoken of in certainty intervals?
mircea_popescu: dude, i have nfi, im following here. you make a statement, i wanna see how you got to it
ben_vulpes: no, it's a good question.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> dude, i have nfi << me neither, i'm just a millwright trying to not starve this decade.
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone in the wot ever actually starves.
ben_vulpes: hm, mebbe that's the attitude.
ben_vulpes: "fuck everything that happens, i'm in the wot."
ben_vulpes: i don't know, man! it's one fifteen in the morning and i'm tearing my hair out over how to plan for just the next decade.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, best sort of equity there is.
ben_vulpes: okay here's an argument for a protracted decline
ben_vulpes: migrations north are going to be slow.
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.07888891 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 26(Y):74(N) by coin, 25(Y):75(N) by weight. Total bet: 52.01424848 BTC. Current weight: 76,629.
ben_vulpes: there are more or less 2 major thoroughfares, and they're pretty chokeable.
mircea_popescu: all you need to lose is 0.1% and you're finished.
mircea_popescu: a theoretical knowledge osama experimentally verified.
ben_vulpes: 0.1% of?
mircea_popescu: of the population.
mircea_popescu: "One of the hottest venture capital investment ideas–bankrolling office-supply discount chains–is starting to sour. In the past two years, investors poured nearly $200 million into at least 16 office-supply “supermarket” chains. But today, the flood of entrants threatens a market-share war, and the result may be hard times."
ben_vulpes: myeah well that's a given.
mircea_popescu: oh gawd, the 80s, time of bad hair, bad clothes and people who thought stapler discounters are a hot vc idea.
ben_vulpes: im not saying the *usg* has to hold the roads and rails.
ben_vulpes: merely that someone must.
ben_vulpes: from "diamond age"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52400 @ 0.00039403 = 20.6472 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes do you know this neumann guy ?
mircea_popescu: http://reactionwheel.net/2015/01/80s-vc.html << well documented stuff, i'd love to see him writing for qntra
assbot: Heat Death: Venture Capital in the 1980s | Reaction Wheel ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnIBqg )
mircea_popescu: "When reading, keep in mind that I have so many conflicts of interest that I have conflicts in places where other people don’t even have interests."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68462 @ 0.00040191 = 27.5156 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117100 @ 0.00039057 = 45.7357 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: "If you think bankers make too much money, focusing on how much they are paid will get you nowhere. If they are not paid 50% of firm revenue, they will go to another bank that will pay them that much. If no bank will pay them that much, they will go start a new bank. If that sort of compensation is outlawed at any bank present or future, they will start a bank where they are the equity owners and get paid that much. Th
mircea_popescu: e money has to go somewhere, and it’s not going to go to the providers of capital because the providers of capital to professional services companies have no negotiating leverage."
mircea_popescu: quite exactly.
mircea_popescu: you don't pay free men what you want to pay them. you pay half of what you make or you die at their hands.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of "what the consumer has come to expect" and related delusions, http://33.media.tumblr.com/ec04311fc14329e1162bffca1aa5b58c/tumblr_nbtmv2PZqK1segoz0o1_500.gif
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48350 @ 0.00040357 = 19.5126 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00040357 = 8.2328 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77500 @ 0.00039041 = 30.2568 BTC [-] {3}
cazalla: so when did vessenes become involved in the foundation, from what i'm reading, it was gavin that floated and promoted the idea of it back in october 2011 (piecing together some history as suggested by.. who, i forget)
cazalla: fwiw, vessenes' announcements that were once on bitcoinfoundation.org have been purged and only avail via archive.org now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38650 @ 0.00038709 = 14.961 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00040357 = 8.3135 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74150 @ 0.00038709 = 28.7027 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00040357 = 6.78 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31925 @ 0.00040357 = 12.884 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19142 @ 0.00038709 = 7.4097 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55249 @ 0.00037168 = 20.5349 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91457 @ 0.00036793 = 33.6498 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4093 @ 0.00036732 = 1.5034 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30401 @ 0.00037107 = 11.2809 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36729 @ 0.00037229 = 13.6738 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62298 @ 0.00036694 = 22.8596 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125302 @ 0.00036425 = 45.6413 BTC [-]
jurov: wtf s.mpoe
mike_c: it's part of the conspiracy to make qntra the highest share price on mpex
mats: i love a good conspiracy
jurov: isn't d.cbse the highest share price?
mike_c: i only count s.*
mike_c: not that i am masterminding the conspiracy
jurov: that's suspiciously specific denial
jurov: spill the beans, nao!
mike_c: it has been foretold that once s.qntra and s.mpoe cross, BTC will reach ATH.
jurov: lol you know what? let's put it to bitbet
jurov: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00027068 / 0.00027068 / 0.00027068 (15682 shares, 4.24 BTC), 7D: 0.00027068 / 0.00027329 / 0.000301 (17182 shares, 4.70 BTC), 30D: 0.00018731 / 0.00025621 / 0.000301 (67601 shares, 17.32 BTC)
jurov: when has qntra an anniversary?
mike_c: Oct.?
mats: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00036425 / 0.0003936 / 0.00041784 (4236138 shares, 1,667.35 BTC), 7D: 0.00036425 / 0.00040146 / 0.00044462 (23643541 shares, 9,491.97 BTC), 30D: 0.00034173 / 0.00039827 / 0.00048515 (92329986 shares, 36,772.60 BTC)
mike_c: Yeah. listed Oct. 13, i think first post was like a week earlier
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danielpbarron: height=245727 vs height=197875 (usb3: height=234283)
jurov: ethereum server has become incredible hog...trying to run it on same hardware than some years ago, it's now impossible to sync
danielpbarron: you mean electrum?
jurov: electrum, yes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54950 @ 0.00036975 = 20.3178 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115900 @ 0.00036391 = 42.1772 BTC [-] {4}
jurov: 🚽 🚾 wtf there are two? i'd say one is supposed to have lid open and other one closed, but that's not what standard says
BingoBoingo: jurov: It's that database on top of the other database on top of yet another database
jurov: ikr, the database is supposed to index the blockchain so that getting transaction history for a wallet does not require to scan gigabytes of data
jurov: which is exactly what electrum server seems to be doing :/
BingoBoingo: Seriously
fluffypony: jurov
fluffypony: reduce the transaction history to like 30
fluffypony: unless you require more
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38231 @ 0.00036205 = 13.8415 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31302 @ 0.00037229 = 11.6534 BTC [+]
jurov: guess i'll end up with that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72300 @ 0.00036 = 26.028 BTC [-] {6}
[]bot: Bet placed: 8 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 23(Y):77(N) by coin, 22(Y):78(N) by weight. Total bet: 60.01424848 BTC. Current weight: 76,142.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 309300 @ 0.00035795 = 110.7139 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59700 @ 0.00035657 = 21.2872 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70649 @ 0.00035645 = 25.1828 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you don't pay free men what you want to pay them. you pay half of what you make or you die at their hands. << l0l, why only half? why not 100% plus one's saleable organs? and who are 'free men' ?
asciilifeform: out of context it reads not entirely unlike something lizardhitler would say to prisoners being lowered into shark pit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110073 @ 0.00034587 = 38.0709 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: the freemen who take 100% plus organs are actually the lords.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22972 @ 0.00035056 = 8.0531 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.00035158 = 10.1607 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68700 @ 0.00033798 = 23.2192 BTC [-]
jurov: strip mining of human resources is usually not the best strategy
chetty: <jurov> strip mining of human resources is usually not the best strategy// strip miners ..also know as gubermint
jurov: govts come and go
thestringpuller: ^- yes yes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33020 @ 0.00036804 = 12.1527 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Finally a visualization of the ethereum business plan http://t.co/V16nFCG0B5
adlai: guy's not heard of the waterfall?
BingoBoingo: adlai: Clearly not.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 277.79, vol: 23618.06292953 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 271.051, vol: 17889.83524 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 281.21, vol: 84767.53249337 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 279.456804, vol: 143748.93120000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 279.97259, vol: 61.28189605 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 277.17525, vol: 238.59295534 | Volume-weighted last average: 279.302752753
adlai is glad he's not running a profit center with [the current version of] scalpl... it would've lost ~5% by now, by btc accounting
jurov: where? on buttstamp?
adlai: that number is estimated off a finex account
kakobrekla: rally gives you trouble?
adlai: yes, naive market making underperforms holding during rallies like this
adlai: so i'm happy for bitcoin but pissed at myself
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9162 @ 0.00034034 = 3.1182 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ^ BingoBoingo, cazalla
ascii_field: and esp. mircea_popescu's article on 'plea bargains'
ascii_field: relevant.
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Writing it up actually.
BingoBoingo: So much lulz
ascii_field: interesting that this kind of thing can be done to a general and former cia fuhrer
ascii_field: nobody, evidently thought 'what if he calls his men to arms?'
ascii_field: neither judge, nor prosecutor, nor any of the various 'preets' involved thought about anthills
adlai isn't sure how much ability somebody so high has to call the _men_ to arms
ascii_field: adlai: in a healthy civilization, they are the -only ones- who have it
adlai: if you look at the officers that defected from assad's army together with their troops, higher ranks are increasingly rare
ascii_field: think of ancient generals
ascii_field: only degenerate societies bureaucratize military command.
ascii_field: why is the cia described in the past tense ?!?!
ascii_field: in the petraeus document
adlai: you mean section 10 of the factual basis?
adlai: it seems to be a stylistic choice, everything in the basis is past tense
ascii_field: lol, most of the lawbreaking seems to involve... the man keeping his own notebooks after retirement
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: My impression is that once one assents to the role of directing and agency, they are forced to become insulated from actual charge over their subordinates to prevent 'antihills'
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: well yes. hence neutered civilizations.
BingoBoingo: Cannot call men to arms until solidly 'Schweiched'
lobbes: edis changed its TOS to ban IRC bouncers and "BitCoin" activities; I am in the market for a new vps provider
lobbes: Anyone have a good recommendation?
danielpbarron: sounds like a qntra article
danielpbarron: !up ecstaticpessimst
dignork: lobbes: pm
assbot: Shocking interview! - In the mind of an altcoin developer - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DGBLYf )
danielpbarron: lobbes, I don't see this info anywhere else; their own ToS page does not mention it http://www.edis.at/en/about/terms-conditions/
assbot: edis.at :: Terms & Conditions ... ( http://bit.ly/1DGC859 )
lobbes: page 5, I think
lobbes: er page 4, rather
danielpbarron: it's banned as both "peer-to-peer software," and as a "CPU intense application" (if mining)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30650 @ 0.00034782 = 10.6607 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
danielpbarron: maybe i'm just not well informed, having never used such a service, but what is the point if these things are all forbidden? (irc, peer-to-peer, etc..)
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Apps, Websites... Ruby on Rails
trinque: !up Pierre_Rochard
BingoBoingo: !up vhost-
trinque: !up NewLiberty
vhost-: !info
trinque: vhost- is a friend of mine who wrote the bot deedbot- is based upon
trinque: !up deedbot-
vhost-: :)
BingoBoingo: !topic
vhost-: !help
trinque: vhost-: deedbot- is only listening to add-key and add-deed
vhost-: nice
vhost-: ! commands still work
trinque: vhost-: if you do !register with a pubkey I'll rate you so you can self voice
vhost-: for help, services and help <servicename>
vhost-: gpg?
trinque: yar, I think it takes the fingerprint
trinque: assbot, not deedbot-
vhost-: does it need to be on a keyserver?
vhost-: I don't think I've pushed mine up yet
trinque: vhost-: yar, believe so
vhost-: I pushed it up actually
trinque: vhost-: !register <key fingerprint> should do it, I think
NewLiberty: bitcointa.lk's security certificate expired 2 day(s) ago.
danielpbarron: assbot should also accept a link to an ascii armored public key like deedbot; not sure why it still depends on a keyserver and fingerprints
vhost-: !register DAAE E6B5 D729 10B7 4A6F 01F9 52A4 B5B2 F318 8BF2
assbot: That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint.
BingoBoingo: NewLiberty: Even if it wasn't hard to count on SSL for actual security.
kakobrekla: vhost- drop the spaces
vhost-: !register DAAEE6B5D72910B74A6F01F952A4B5B2F3188BF2
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: DAAEE6B5D72910B74A6F01F952A4B5B2F3188BF2. This may take a few moments.
assbot: Key F3188BF2 / "Kyle Terry <kyle@kyleterry.com>" successfully imported.
assbot: Registration successful.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58200 @ 0.00035896 = 20.8915 BTC [+] {2}
vhost-: nice
NewLiberty: It does a few things pretty well.
NewLiberty: Raises the barrier to entry for the session hijacking biz
trinque: !rate vhost- 3 wrote tenyks, on which deedbot is based
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/c3065b1bfb076db2
trinque: !v assbot:trinque.rate.vhost-.3:94d09c5f0815956839f57a47e437f478d00cf6ee7021d47a8cff593f7137cf2a
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 3 for vhost- with note: wrote tenyks, on which deedbot is based
trinque: vhost-: you should be able to !up yourself from now on
trinque: !gettrust vhost-
assbot: Trust relationship from user trinque to user vhost-: Level 1: 3, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/trinque/vhost- | http://w.b-a.link/user/vhost-
NewLiberty: SSL won't stop WCCP intermediaries or anyone with #enable (or better) in your path, but it keeps the lesser evils at bay.
vhost-: man, this is cool
danielpbarron: !gettrust assbot vhost-
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user vhost-: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/vhost- | http://w.b-a.link/user/vhost-
danielpbarron: ^ no he cannot up himself
trinque: danielpbarron: ah, I was wrong
trinque: so uh, how does a brother get in assbot's L1
BingoBoingo: !rate vhost- 1 +v easy come easy go
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/b5b4f429f26e179c
BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.vhost-.1:32d3011ff47604f12772bffec4fa4822d82f23c755258220a74b2e912b33103e
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for vhost- with note: +v easy come easy go
danielpbarron: trinque, it's a mystery by design for the purpose of preventing gaming of the system
trinque: interesting
vhost-: oh man
vhost-: I have a lot to learn here
lobbes: !b 2
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2SATZZ0.txt )
BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
adlai: vhost-: small world
jurov: BingoBoingo: "extramartial" lover ?
jurov: lmao
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26938 @ 0.00034782 = 9.3696 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: lol, unintentional jurov fixed
BingoBoingo: !up vhost-
BingoBoingo: vhost-: Why haven't you up'd yourself yet.
BingoBoingo: !gettrust assbot vhost-
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user vhost-: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/vhost- | http://w.b-a.link/user/vhost-
mike_c: this tenyks thingy.. this looks cool
mike_c: separation of the irc bot part and the service part. a good idea.
mike_c: it makes me a little nervous though that it is written by a self declared shitty go programmer though :)
danielpbarron: at least he's in the WoT :p
adlai: are you also nervous reading socrates?
mike_c: i don't run socrates' software
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1Z1C4GR.txt )
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: you left out key detail in petraeus article - the 'black books' were the man's own notebooks
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Updated looking into that aspect more
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
jurov: !up twizt
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54162 @ 0.00034265 = 18.5586 BTC [-]
ascii_field: http://www.ada-ru.org/prj_doc.html << ru ministry of defense's documentation centre, allegedly, runs on gnat
jurov: ascii_field: you seen a pamflet claiming ada was intended as elaborate hoax to set back russian progrmamers?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91833 @ 0.00036476 = 33.497 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5167 @ 0.00036948 = 1.9091 BTC [+]
jurov: can't find it anymore, it was hilarious
jurov: !up twizt
jurov: !up vhost-
jurov: !up Bagels7
jurov: !up diana_coman
vhost-: !up vhost-
assbot: Awesome new scripting functionality for Bitcoin: Violations of the first sale doctrine http://t.co/p4mN7tw6md
vhost-: mike_c: thanks! I plan on swapping out redis pub/sub for zeromq so I can add authentication. basically you can run an IRC bot for a community, then your friends give you a public key that allows them to connect to the pub/sub.
vhost-: then you don't have to maintain your friend's services
mike_c: yeah, that could be useful around here
ascii_field: jurov: hoax << classic essay
vhost-: they just run them on their own servers
ascii_field: jurov: i don't think i will ever -enjoy- ada. but the more one studies it, the less escapable is the conclusion that 1) it is a necessary thing 2) for which there is, at present, no credible alternative whatsoever
ben_vulpes: whoa a vhost-?
danielpbarron: "The also managed" -> "They also managed" ?
ascii_field: ^ broken link for s.nsa statemen
vhost-: ben_vulpes: :)
BingoBoingo: SHould all be fixed nao
cazalla: yeah, thestringpuller uses “ instead of " and it botches the links BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: Spotted it
danielpbarron: "mod6 was able to successfully modify asciilifeform's build script of the portatronic build used in the Pogo, to statically build .. " << was this the issue? because I used the portatronic build script and the resulting binary didn't work on debian for arm -- said it needed a different version of some thing i don't recall at the moment
ascii_field: danielpbarron: mod6 found that it wasn't 100% static (iirc used libc)
danielpbarron: yes that
ascii_field: i overlooked this because assumed that static build worked given as test was on box known to lack openssl, boost, bdb as centrally installed libs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100050 @ 0.00037089 = 37.1075 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: is the netbsd thing going to be an automated installer that puts the base system on the attached drive?
ascii_field: danielpbarron: nothing but blockchain should ever live on attached drive
ascii_field: (note that 'pogo' won't ever boot from usb3)
danielpbarron: unless there is some driver problem i'm experiencing, you won't want to put the blockchain on usb3
danielpbarron: it's significantly slower than even a 5400 rpm sata drive
ascii_field: danielpbarron: probably just arch
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
danielpbarron: and sure, it won't boot from usb3 but it will boot from sata
danielpbarron: but if it doesn't need to that's sweet
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ascii_field: danielpbarron: os and bitcoind should live in eeprom
ascii_field: (ideally, in one-time-burn antifuse rom, but we don't have it in this box)
assbot: Federal Agents Raid Alleged ‘Maternity Tourism’ Businesses Catering to Chinese - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOv2iv )
mod6: thestringpuller: Maybe the Address wasn't clear enough, but the main goal for March is to publish the milestone release. We have some regression testing ahead of us though.
thestringpuller: mod6: yea the milestone release isn't mentioned in section 0x3
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thestringpuller: except at the end with the implied "Work is halting on this for now as the main focus will be the v0.5.3.1 milestone release. Stay tuned for more on this.
thestringpuller: but that relates to the OpenBSD patch
mod6: Eh, well, it's what was meant by the Regression Testing section :]
mod6: w/e
thestringpuller: ah a tad confusing. release milestone wasn't highlighted so I trimmed it out of the article :P
thestringpuller: (wasn't the spotlight)
mod6: yeah, my bad. i'll be more clear next time
thestringpuller: I was just trying to highlight the big wins without pulling too much away from the address itself. Cause I'd rather people go the address for more information.
thestringpuller: Cause the address is very well detailed.
mod6: np. i just want people to get from your article that we're focused on publishing the release as soon as possible. hopefully this month.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69500 @ 0.00037229 = 25.8742 BTC [+]
mod6: anyway, no worries. thanks for the write up.
thestringpuller: I'll have BingoBoingo add it
lobbes: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell lobbes 1) Yes, provided we make sure we have the right keyfinderprint to attribute work to. 2) Hard to say unless you write it up and see what comes out of it.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: ^ prevents gtkada from working even now
ascii_field: and likewise the spiffy editor, 'gps
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: added
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: thx
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: typo strip the " mark
thestringpuller: at the end (it's trailing)
ascii_field: is there -any- worthwhile piece of software entirely unafflicted by this retardation ?
mod6: thx guise.
thestringpuller: ascii_field: is this a rhetorical question?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114805 @ 0.00037127 = 42.6237 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://dpaste.com/0RZE5MG.txt << latest ver. won't build, either
mod6: ld: cannot find -lgtkada_gl << you might be able to link this lib directly.
ascii_field: it's built as part of the thing
ascii_field: catch-22
ascii_field: at any rate, i got past that by ./configure --with-GL=no
mod6: yeah, up above. i saw that. hmm.
ascii_field: now 'gprbuild' won't build
ascii_field: what a joke this whole 'open' thing is
ascii_field: every time i do this, i get the distinct feeling that i'm the only living thing other than the package maintainer/developer who tried to build it
ascii_field: and everybody else just chumps along using the binary pkg
mod6: haha. "some assembly required"
ascii_field: i have no problem whatsoever with 'some assembly required'
mod6: it used to be that everyone built from the source. yah, now most people just rely on their package system
ascii_field: but the shitgnomes don't sleep, and they break off necessary parts
ascii_field: and using vintage netbsd or whatever mircea_popescu does, is not a magic pill against this
ascii_field: because the info re: what combination of p,q,r,s,t...that add up to a working z is lost to the sands of time
ascii_field: because 9 out of 10 times it only existed on the original author's machine
ascii_field: and he wasn't even aware of it
mod6: ya, i see what you mean
ascii_field: checking for xmlada... no configure: error: cannot find xmlada
ascii_field: ^ and yes it's installed
lobbes: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: goood mornin!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039750 << it became politically inconvenient to admit it sometime last year.
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 11:58:59; cazalla: fwiw, vessenes' announcements that were once on bitcoinfoundation.org have been purged and only avail via archive.org now
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, the bit of history they're trying to purge is that vessennes was the head and treasurer of the thing, in total outrageous breach of common practice, and he got all the early bitcoin donated to it in his own name and used it for his own purposes.
ascii_field: if anyone actually gives a fuck about these, cache'em - archive.org can and has been prevailed upon to do the 'polite society' thing before
mircea_popescu: the current foundation is an embarassing shell, nothing but obligaitons for them so they're trying to shed it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48900 @ 0.00036007 = 17.6074 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the derp party is slowly learning that they can not purge things.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-i/ << grep for "further update" in the same line.
assbot: The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume I pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AXgaO7 )
ascii_field: their magical wand of 'let's all the folks who Know How The World Works (TM) pretend this Never Existed' still works great.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039772 << this reminds me of the s.dice / s.mpoe duel of yore.
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 14:22:57; mike_c: it has been foretold that once s.qntra and s.mpoe cross, BTC will reach ATH.
assbot: S.MPOE market cap vs S.DICE market cap pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AXgxYZ )
mircea_popescu: they're great at wearing coats and hiding in hallways.
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 15:33:29; fluffypony: reduce the transaction history to like 30
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 16:25:01; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you don't pay free men what you want to pay them. you pay half of what you make or you die at their hands. << l0l, why only half? why not 100% plus one's saleable organs? and who are 'free men' ?
mircea_popescu: but generally, liberal professions / highly skilled professionals. which pointedly does not include coding monkeys, as per us law.
ascii_field: doesn't include anyone who works on a salary (how'd that work ?)
mircea_popescu: depends.
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 18:38:25; *: adlai is glad he's not running a profit center with [the current version of] scalpl... it would've lost ~5% by now, by btc accounting
ascii_field: folks who are in one of the traditionally recognized guilds - possibly
ascii_field: (programmers blew their chance to establish a guild long, long ago)
mircea_popescu: pretty much erryone but you, alf. models promoting consumer items. athletes. lawyers. financial anythings. business consultants. you name it
mircea_popescu: millions and millions of people. just not naggum.
ascii_field: interestingly, he understood the fact, the how, and the why - actually studied, at one point before he gave up, to become a lawyer (in no.)
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 19:01:01; ascii_field: interesting that this kind of thing can be done to a general and former cia fuhrer
mircea_popescu: ascii_field ancient article on trilema, back in romanian decade, "half of the revenue or gtfo".
mircea_popescu: and also included "your job is to sell me on how much leverage you put at my disposal to make that revenue, nothing else."
adlai: "scam"?
ascii_field: the cost of replacing naggums with 'code monkeys' to prevent the guild will be paid for 1000 years.
assbot: 2395 results for 'scam' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=scam
mircea_popescu: s what we say!
ascii_field: and much higher than would've cost otherwise.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field it doesn't count unless it's on the pointed end of a stick.
ascii_field: *of having replaced
mircea_popescu: that's the thing all the castrato "experts" with "degrees" fail to grasp. it doesn't matter what "reality" is, may be thought to be, could be inferred etc.
mircea_popescu: if you don't have a pointed stick driving it, it's not real.
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ascii_field: stick's pretty sharp, i'm sitting on it as we speak
ascii_field: as is ben_vulpes, and a buncha folks
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mircea_popescu: you misunderstand. the other way.
mircea_popescu: the " cost of replacing naggums" way.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84300 @ 0.00035335 = 29.7874 BTC [-]
ascii_field: at this point they need to pray to the gods, possibly no amount of naggum will suffice
mircea_popescu: entirely besides the point.
ascii_field: the very concept that software could actually work in the sense in which other engineered objects work, is nearly forgotten
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 19:01:13; ascii_field: nobody, evidently thought 'what if he calls his men to arms?'
ascii_field: (see today's log for example)
mircea_popescu: they have nothing. this is proof positive that the cia is as worthless as the vassar feminist book club.
mircea_popescu: think about hassling beria in that manner.
ascii_field: kryuchkov had nobody either
ascii_field: had to eat his pistol
ascii_field: same deal.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, beria actually picked up women off the street, raped them for a while and then dropped them off.
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mircea_popescu: so, logically speaking, if the cia were anything like a secret service, we'd know who exactly is^H^H was the lizzard hitler by grepping sudden deaths for warfarin.
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 19:04:57; ascii_field: why is the cia described in the past tense ?!?!
mircea_popescu: it's like the nsa. a corpse.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039855 << someone still has to make a bitcoin host already.
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 19:16:01; lobbes: Anyone have a good recommendation?
mircea_popescu: lobbes anyway, stop running vps' get a damned server. it's not THAT much.
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 19:44:37; danielpbarron: assbot should also accept a link to an ascii armored public key like deedbot; not sure why it still depends on a keyserver and fingerprints
lobbes: mircea_popescu: You mean a physical server in my own abode? or just leasing a 'dedicated server' somewhere?
lobbes: I'd imagine the latter would fall prey to the same issues as a vps
lobbes: ultimately out of my control
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039918 << i dun think the guy's much online anymore.
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 19:48:15; NewLiberty: SSL won't stop WCCP intermediaries or anyone with #enable (or better) in your path, but it keeps the lesser evils at bay.
mircea_popescu: lobbes ideally, colocate. but otherwise, sure, get a dedi, if they start discussing what you run on it tell them to get lost./
mircea_popescu: no, it would not. it bein g... your server.
mircea_popescu: if you want to run it at 100% doing shell forks for five months, your problem.
mircea_popescu: !rate vhost- 1 new blood
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mircea_popescu: dude srsly ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40131 @ 0.00036706 = 14.7305 BTC [+]
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lobbes: I love that term; 'resources'
PeterL: seems rather vague, what are the actually trying to sell?
mircea_popescu: nothing.
mircea_popescu: for 599 a month.
mircea_popescu: !up ecstaticpessimst
cazalla: scoopbot -fetch
NewLiberty: "free project management support" = they'll spend your money for you and won't charge more than the money that they spend for you?
cazalla: no offense PeterL but scoopbot is the worst bot evar
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PeterL: sorry, cazalla
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: ewww
BingoBoingo: What, those are some tig ole bitties
gabriel_laddel: you kid, correct?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60600 @ 0.00036995 = 22.419 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Shädbase - Black Humor ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ne3XJV )
BingoBoingo: Sometimes you have to look past everything else and jsut acknowledge some big titties.
gabriel_laddel: myeah. no.
gabriel_laddel: !up jordandotdev
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65800 @ 0.00037281 = 24.5309 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81856 @ 0.00037283 = 30.5184 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_INR8ZXIAIIs2q.jpg << lulzy shot of coinbase orderbook, allegedly from earlier today, showing an order for *negative* bitcoin
adlai: pete_dushenski: where's that from?
pete_dushenski: guy on twitter, lemme find the link
asciilifeform: pay'em to take it away
assbot: /coinbase what's going on here... Shenanigans I tell ya http://t.co/Skb7C0FLkp
cazalla: seen a few variations of that pop up
pete_dushenski: remarkable..
adlai: i'm ashamed to admit that i have no clue what idiocy could produce such an error
Pierre_Rochard: tried it myself, got “Invalid size” error. May be an API bug (or photoshopped)
assbot: What do negative bids mean? (Coinbase Exchange) : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1ELmolF )
pete_dushenski: Pierre_Rochard hello hello !
cazalla: client side apparently.. not that i'd know
Pierre_Rochard: pete_dushenski: hello! how’s the new ride been treating you?
pete_dushenski: lol it's rock solid in the winter
pete_dushenski: starts up every time
Pierre_Rochard: do you need chains on the wheels or are they civilized enough to sweep?
pete_dushenski: nubbins`heyo
pete_dushenski: Pierre_Rochard they plow, sweep, etc. plus i have blizzak winter tires
assbot: Breaking: Canadian Exchange QuadrigaCX to Become World’s First Publicly Traded Bitcoin Exchange – Bitcoin Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1ELmFF6 )
pete_dushenski: at the time it seemed like a basement operation
pete_dushenski: now, going 'public'
nubbins`: dat feb state of bitcoin address
BingoBoingo: !up Guest37440
Pierre_Rochard: ^ what I’m waiting for is an exchange with segregated fiat accounts held by a custodian bank. May be wishful thinking
pete_dushenski: Pierre_Rochard so basically a bank you already know and trust with a btc trading platform
Pierre_Rochard: not necessarily the same entity but in practice yes
asciilifeform: (who filmed ?)
asciilifeform: or was it idiot after-the-fact mock-up
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they have nothing. this is proof positive that the cia is as worthless as the vassar feminist book club; think about hassling beria in that manner << to be fair, p. was no longer heading anything when he was 'flushed'.
asciilifeform: hruschev was a whole gensec and what did that get him after retirement.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I may have to watch again less drunk, but I believe Poitras was behind the camera most of the time.
BingoBoingo: !up MartinPonce
BingoBoingo: Hello MartinPonce
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform i'm guessing after the fact.
nubbins`: for those of you who collect shiny things:
assbot: Casascius 0.5 BTC Silver Series-2 physical bitcoin: NO RESERVE, 30-DAY AUCTION ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6Zxiw )
pete_dushenski: Pierre_Rochard anything new on your end these days ? any accounting software updates ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: beria actually picked up women... << based on the sources, i don't regard it as a solid historical fact
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 08:58:24; mircea_popescu: " They also remember the high-tech crash of 1984, and the screams of pain up and down Wall Street." << heh it nearly killed gaming altogether, and is responsible for killing consoles. (yes they still exist, but gaming is essentially a pc item)
assbot: PlayStation 4 passes 18.5 million sales worldwide | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1ELo12U )
Pierre_Rochard: pete_dushenski: I’ve split the accounting logic from the webapp so that it’s just a python package. Cleaner and decrufted. Getting close to a stable-enough version to write up documentation
gabriel_laddel: as for the original PSP, 76.3 million sales (as of March 31, 2012)
gabriel_laddel: (worldwide)
pete_dushenski: Pierre_Rochard awesome
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: One of the safest assumptions from the film though is that one of the core group of Snowden journalists had at some poin been turned or always was an unsavory side vegetable. Likely Greenwald, likely before meeting snowden in HK.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77700 @ 0.00037428 = 29.0816 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Sand Won't Save You This Time. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ELotOq )
BingoBoingo: ^ Potentially useful for home 100nm IC fab
nubbins`: pete_dushenski re: quadriga going public, here's the exchange: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Securities_Exchange
assbot: Canadian Securities Exchange - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1ELp1Ec )
pete_dushenski: nubbins` ayup.
decimation: pete_dushenski: segregated fiat? like 100% reserve, physical bills laying in a warehouse?
nubbins`: uh, what?
nubbins`: quadrigacx lets you deposit gold
decimation: nubbins`: can you withdraw gold?
nubbins`: RCM 1oz bars
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Dunchu No, U let everyone deposit everything and just hope some sort of market stability sticks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46200 @ 0.00037631 = 17.3855 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: notice how the remaining consoles are lightly-modified x86 boxes internally ?
nubbins` shrugs
nubbins`: wild
nubbins`: gold->btc easier if this works
pete_dushenski: decimation lol don't ask me, it's Pierre_Rochard's fantasy
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And the previous generation PowerPC. Pure Apple style trechery.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo which new console is running powerpc guts ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: actually no secret why. no one (and i mean no one) is making a serious serial-execution non-x86 cpu today
asciilifeform: no one.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Neither, but the Ms360 and PS3 were bother powerPC
decimation: I don't think we yanks can send money to canadian banks
pete_dushenski: heh, who knew that i have a powerpc collecting dust at home!
pete_dushenski: decimation paypal.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Amazing the damage a single decade does
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
decimation: pete_dushenski: paypal does canadian EFT?
Pierre_Rochard: decimation: this is about separating the traders’ cash from the exchange’s cash. Comingling of funds is not a good idea, as you point out it can lead to “fractional reserve” by the exchange (more precisely, defalcation)
pete_dushenski: decimation it does indeed.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: Nope.
decimation: Pierre_Rochard: yeah that makes sense
BingoBoingo: Then again the PowerPC console generation came as Apple left the architecture and IBM wanted anyone else to jsutify its continued work there
asciilifeform: plenty of ppc in usg proprietary machinery
decimation: Pierre_Rochard: I kinda assumed that non-scam exchanges would do this, but apparently nobody can resist
asciilifeform: (but not enough for a legit commercial fab to turn a profit unless 'favourite son')
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The value of the game consoles was the illusion of volume
BingoBoingo: Or illusion of viability through volume
BingoBoingo: But M$ in particular hit the same issues that sent Apple away "Red Ring of Death"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41600 @ 0.00037652 = 15.6632 BTC [+]
gabriel_laddel: "illusion of volume" << ?
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Intended meaning one line lower. Vodka time
ben_vulpes: !rate vhost- 2 taught me much
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BingoBoingo: And the only thing about Javascript that matters is >> http://www.ntp.org/ntpfaq/NTP-a-faq.htm#AEN562
BingoBoingo: !up Guest21461
BingoBoingo: !up ebit_
decimation: BingoBoingo: that CIF3 stuff is nasty
BingoBoingo: decimation: Of course it is, but... semiconductor lithography... In the neighbor's shed!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00036354 = 10.3609 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58800 @ 0.00037883 = 22.2752 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 281.84, vol: 18796.51371096 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 278.38, vol: 19043.02781 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 283.73, vol: 78418.16176281 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 282.3469, vol: 147610.75430000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 278.35492, vol: 22.49694774 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 287.325999989, vol: 177.90471922 | Volume-weighted last average: 282.438491329
decimation: re: petraeus < I said they would never prosecute, and I'm not sure if I'm right or not
decimation: it will be interesting to see how he is sentenced
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: read the ClF3 link again, notice that it is used in si fab solely for cleaning tools.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure, but cleaning after the fact is the next best thing to starting from a clean workspace
BingoBoingo: decimation: Basically it seems the objective of the scandal was to keep him out of national politics. Mission accomplished as it rarely is.
asciilifeform: the gas is merely one of 1,000 reasons why the fab costs what it does.
asciilifeform: it is interesting to compare, in this respect, the semiconductor industry to... nuclear one
asciilifeform: entirely workable schemes ('intrinsically safe' reactors made of pellets, etc.) have been proposed for reasonably inexpensive fission plants for home use
asciilifeform: no one was in a great hurry to buy - but there were designs
asciilifeform: si fab on the other hand:
BingoBoingo: Sure, Just cutting out safety seems to open a number of options. Like it does in batteries.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00036354 = 11.0153 BTC [-]
decimation: BingoBoingo: that's an interesting angle on petraeus (keeping him out of politics)
decimation: of course nearly everyone in washington is guilty of exactly the same crimes
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for most engineered items, even for suicide soldiers, one finds something less extreme
decimation: yeah, nuclear reactors are actually pretty simple in principle
asciilifeform: decimation: how many usg employees that were once dealing in official secrets would come up entirely clean if their belongings were searched ? as in, not even a 'post-it note'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, but I imagine applications of walking biodiesel
decimation: asciilifeform: well, look at that diane roark chick
BingoBoingo: decimation: The thing is he took the post as an active duty officer and the affair itself presented another potentially chargeable crime.
decimation: agents took nearly all of her personal papers and 'decided' which ones were actually classified at their own discretion
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: these only get 'clintonized' if someone wills it to happen
decimation: then they argue that the courts are not able to decide these matters
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: because subject 'needs to have problems'
decimation: BingoBoingo: yes, but under the ucmj
BingoBoingo: decimation: But UMCJ would have applied. Part of the way to defanging nation.
decimation: BingoBoingo: eh?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course. Petraeus's greatest problem was going as high as a primate could go. Purely sublizard being
decimation: someone at DOJ had an agenda against him
BingoBoingo: decimation: Higher you go the more UCMJ hit if it is applied
decimation: everything usg does has a civil servant with an agenda behind it
decimation: BingoBoingo: yeah, but instead he's going to jail instead of taking a demotion
decimation: I don't get how that is even in the same ballpark
BingoBoingo: decimation: Hasn't been sentenced yet. Anyways UCMJ provides for the occasional death penalty
decimation: at any rate, I suspect the whole petraeus affair is merely designed to pour encourager les autres while simultaneously dinging a potential political rival
BingoBoingo remembers in early 2012 before scandal Petraeus being floated as a more serious threat to Obola than Congress
decimation: !up Dr-G
BingoBoingo: !up bitspill
BingoBoingo: !up bitstein
BingoBoingo: Oh, the Harry Potter thing updated with two new chapters and still isn't over yet.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46777 @ 0.00036097 = 16.8851 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: “There is light in the world, and it is us!" Eliezer Yudkowsky, Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality << "We are the ones we've been waiting for" Obama
BingoBoingo still only on chapter 66 and closing chapters, which ought to be expected as I'm from a town with "auf wiedersehen" on the signs at its borders
BingoBoingo: !up roseebit
trinque: decimation: hilarious how close that is to christian rhetoric
trinque: same heaven on earth myth too
trinque: just with gadgets
decimation: trinque: as a Christian I find their statements abhorrent
decimation: because it asserts a form of 'christianity' without Christ
decimation: "man is your god, and I am your prophet"
trinque: right-o, it's a sort of techno-atheist christianity
BingoBoingo is dissapoint in this fanfic/propaganda piece. Halfway through and no fucking?
trinque: decimation: seems like bitcoin has attracted a lot of christians, not that I mind. I'm curious why that is, if so
decimation: BingoBoingo: what about your woodchipper fetish harry potter?
trinque: maybe there are more out there than I think
BingoBoingo: decimation: Had the virtue of being short. At least blood has a lubricant quality all its own.
BingoBoingo: decimation: And I did not write the woodchipper fanfic. Merely found it searching for tales of awesome machines.
decimation: trinque: for myself, my interest in bitcoin flows directly from my interest in competent government
trinque: makes sense
decimation: I also think the fiat machine that enables mass theft from everyone's savings is a form of usary
danielpbarron: decimation, what do you think of this?: Revelation 13:16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or[a] the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
trinque: danielpbarron: sounds like antibitcoin
danielpbarron: "no one may buy or sell except one who has ... the number of his name"
danielpbarron: isn't a private key a number?
trinque: danielpbarron: heh I could project the beast's key and my key onto that too
decimation: danielpbarron: revelation is a difficult book. I have no idea what that means
trinque: danielpbarron: I enjoy thinking of the usgov as the whore, though I've heard people argue thats the catholic church
trinque: ...supposedly
decimation: danielpbarron: it is very interesting though
danielpbarron: i'm not saying GPG and the WoT is the number and the beast necessarily, but the similarity is more striking than most ideas i've heard
danielpbarron: seems more likely than the idea that carbon credits and rfid chips are the beast and mark
trinque: danielpbarron: evil does that doesn't it? takes something and twists it just a hair
trinque: bitcoin plus some kind of address validation scheme plus govt-captured mining
trinque: sure, it'd be just like that
danielpbarron: no twist needed
danielpbarron: Romans 13 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have
danielpbarron: but this could also refer to the serene republic
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decimation: danielpbarron: that was what I was going to bring up next. this text (romans 13) is difficult to put into practice in a universal suffrage democracy
decimation: who exactly is to be the object of your submission? the law as written? or as interpreted by bureaucrats? or as voted by your neighbor?
danielpbarron: the USG is surely wicked in that it enforces laws that are counter to The Bible
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Could even the good doktor mark such a large keyspace as RSA as his numebers?
danielpbarron: but if we are to take God at His word, even this wicked government is for good
decimation: danielpbarron: aye
BingoBoingo: Anyways, revelations is awfully late to be considered God's word.
decimation: but that 'goodness' might be delivered through great destruction
trinque: sounds a lot more like that guy John went on one hell of a psychedelic trip
BingoBoingo: End of the world stuff would probably be better in Ezekiel with the horse dicks
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, interestingly enough consider if someone came along who could factor any number of arbitrary length -- would that not appear to be a miracle?
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: I'd need to know if they have a time machine or not.
danielpbarron: such a person could sign a message as any user
BingoBoingo: Depends on how good their time machine is
trinque: danielpbarron: the passivity in romans 13 is the kind of thing I rejected on the way out of the church
trinque: I could see myself in the past saying "well, if this 'authority' is not godly, they're no real authority"
danielpbarron: i think it's along the lines of how this world is temporary anyway -- it's like the tower of babel to try to make heaven on earth
danielpbarron: i mean, USG or b-a in charge either way this all gets destroyed ultimately ; but i think i'd rather have b-a in charge if there is a choice
trinque: danielpbarron: ultimately no one's in charge of much
mircea_popescu: !up roseebit
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: But there is always the constraint that particular lives are bound by finitude. Tis the extraordinarily rare prophet of doom who gets to see the doom while living. Jeremiah didn't
mircea_popescu: roseebit are you in the wot ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think whoever they are is in the DoS loop
mircea_popescu: howdja mean ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They keep getting voiced, bumped to guest*** and rejoining
mircea_popescu: oh that yeah
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040396 << are we confusing prime factorization and discrete logarithms?
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 03:36:26; danielpbarron: such a person could sign a message as any user
danielpbarron: isn't a private key a composite number with two very large prime numbers?
trinque: +BingoBoingo | danielpbarron: But there is always the constraint that particular lives are bound by finitude. << my world ends whether "the" world ends or not
danielpbarron: or rather, relating to such a number
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Depends on your algorithm.
adlai: not really, there's just a single prime in bitcoin crypto, and there's no need to factor anything
mircea_popescu: looking in the logs, apparently alf created a new word nao, "portatronic"
mircea_popescu: sounds like a great vc toiletry service.
danielpbarron: i guess i meant GPG specifically
adlai: ok, so the confusion was on my end :)
adlai: although not all gpg keys are rsa
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron in the rsa scheme
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Even with GPG not everything is RSA. Some people are stupid and use version 2-ish though it lacks backwards compatibility or they use 80's fail crypto which breaks easily.
BingoBoingo: 70's and 90's RSA is the strong stuff
mircea_popescu: lol criptoenology
BingoBoingo: IN the very worst case and RSA fails at least private languages aren't too bad compared to DES, provided the grammar and semantics are unique
danielpbarron: even though it's still not proven, i'll go out on a limb saying that the ability to factor a number of arbitrary length would have to come from a supernatural source, and such a being could probably break all the alternative methods
nubbins`: such a strange place, this
BingoBoingo: If anyone has a time machine to lend I have all kinds of trans cholonolgical arbitrage opportunities that can enrish you provided you give me exactly one whole minute longer than it takes to start the machine alone with it.
trinque: hahaha
nubbins`: ^ me from the future
adlai: well anyone can factor a number of arbitrary length in arbitrary time... consistently being able to factor arbitrary length numbers in constant time, now that is a 'supernatural' algorithm, relative to current knowledge
trinque: paradox police got him
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5814 @ 0.00037993 = 2.2089 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: this "private language" thing is a lot easier said than done.
mircea_popescu: and i have some practical experience wiht the issue.
mircea_popescu: anyonw wanna send 50 bux via paypal for me ?
adlai is no longer a pay pal >:(
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, i can do that
mircea_popescu: i remember a time, maybe 10 or so years ago, when having a paypal was like, a point of pride.
adlai: >:( expresses annoyance, not shame (or lack of pride)
adlai: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 276.71, vol: 18996.35978116 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 274.711, vol: 18812.28951 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 279.58, vol: 84375.6220414 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 278.13706, vol: 152561.77060000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 276.31875, vol: 22.90894774 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 280.367, vol: 178.00907986 | Volume-weighted last average: 278.248147885
adlai: chicken coming down to roost
mircea_popescu: where is that valkirie
danielpbarron: lol paypal nags me every time i log in now about how i haven't given them enough KYC but they let me send money regardless
assbot: Richard Wagner - The ride of the Valkyries from "Die Walküre" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DJS1rJ )
adlai needs to try this as coding music
mircea_popescu: totally.
adlai: got good mileage out of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhT0g9jULpw but can't get too locked to one genre
assbot: Metallica - Ride The Lightning - Full Album (HD 720p) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DJSQ3B )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the notion of a "deprecated symbol" boggles my mind.,
mircea_popescu: can you explain wtf it's supposed to be even ?
decimation: adlai: recently i've become a fan of arvo pärt (yes, via moldbug)
adlai: also tatran
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1040051 << this is exactly correct. obscure fucking sides of an obscure place in an fucking thing (linux)
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 22:23:41; ascii_field: every time i do this, i get the distinct feeling that i'm the only living thing other than the package maintainer/developer who tried to build it
mircea_popescu: obscuritas in tenebrae.
assbot: TATRAN - WW III (Album Version) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zUGKFo )
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> this "private language" thing is a lot easier said than done. << Is any truly dark art otherwise? When you surrender the truth of mathematics to language?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wtf it's supposed to be << it's precisely what it looks like to the unarmed eye: a perfectly good symbol that a shitgnome whose arsehole pines for the stake decided to zap to boost his feeling of relevance and be '1337 contributor'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: obscure fucking sides of an obscure place << widely used gizmo. but apparently everybody but me just takes the binary
decimation: asciilifeform: how can you 'do' package management without keeping track of the symbols
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform overheard right now "o yeah ? well the gentoo manual was down for likle... 3 days. i don't think this is a good sign"
adlai: fwiw, 'private language' has served organisms rather well for countless generations, we've only been toying with information hiding for an instant in comparison
asciilifeform: decimation: subject of thread was yet another case of gizmo that won't build on account of 'obsolete' things having been removed from something
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your idea of widely differs from nature.
mircea_popescu: what's widely, 50 actual usecases which all depend on the same three contractors ?
decimation: asciilifeform: yes but didn't you once say that package management can only be properly done at the language level?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: neh those use proprietary adas
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'widely' is mostly uni students
asciilifeform: decimation: aha
asciilifeform: decimation: but i didn't create the universe in question, nobody asked me
assbot: Logged on 08-02-2015 18:50:39; asciilifeform: trying to explain that it is quit impossible to have a package management system above the language level that is not dumbed down by support for braindamaged languages.
asciilifeform: decimation: but in this case the package manager is not at fault. someone deliberately sabotaged a library.
adlai: asciilifeform: any particular reason for your love of ada, specifically?
asciilifeform: (yes, let's call things by their true names - sabotage)
asciilifeform: adlai: i'd love to learn of a substitute for ada
decimation: asciilifeform: well, this is a general problem in C programming - the failure to provide a global namespace
decimation: "no, I want the writef() that does the stuff, not the writef() that displays singing monkeys"
asciilifeform: that is, a hard-standardized (iso preferred) prog. lang. with safe types and deterministic memory usage, that has extant compiler back-ends for all major cpu architectures
asciilifeform: and is happy with, e.g., 64k of total machine ram
asciilifeform: ^ ocaml, say, is right out
asciilifeform: ditto erlang
asciilifeform: ada's the only game in town for this not-uncommon set of constraints
decimation: asciilifeform: also it's probably never going to attract hipsters
asciilifeform: in much the same way that mpex is the only game in town in its field
asciilifeform: i don't give a flying fuck either way about the hipsters
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> decimation: but in this case the package manager is not at fault. someone deliberately sabotaged a library. << So on OpenBSD I'm nt finding an Ada port or package that works with sufficient frequency to make it too the tree. Looking like the turdswitch may have been flipped in GCC
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there's a set of ports for 'dragonfly bsd'
asciilifeform: which ought to work on others
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Dragonfly ports are mostly loose FreeBSD ports with little guarentee of working. There are older Ada and the visual Ada IDE ports for OpenBSD, but... it seems fuckers would on the whole rather test "go"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if gcc works, so will ada, enable it when configuring gcc
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you insist on the ada foundation's bleeding edge thing - that's another matter that i can't help with
mircea_popescu: !up roseebit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, "uni studends" right. "use" mhm kay.
BingoBoingo is working on the pressing problem of testing other possible bitcoind/qts atm
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So far been searchin for 95 compatible gnat and IDE safety net
assbot: Gentoo Linux Documentation-- Samba: Multiple vulnerabilities ... ( http://bit.ly/1DJYP8E )
asciilifeform: ^ you don't have to use winblows to be pwned using winblows pwnhole
adlai: Version: 1.0 (17-MAR-86)
asciilifeform: ^ don't keep windblows box in the house. then no need for 'samba' and the associated idiocies
adlai: iirc that's before 0.5.3
mircea_popescu: what is samba again ?
adlai: windows filesharing
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Windows NFS substitute
decimation: mircea_popescu: it's an implementation of cifs, which is the standard windows network filesystem
mircea_popescu: "Samba is a suite of SMB and CIFS client/server programs." szus nothing to me
asciilifeform: adlai: interestingly, symbolics lisp mach. had full datastructure interoperability between zetalisp, common lisp, fortran, ada, - even c.
adlai: "had"? i thought there was at least one working lispm in the republic!
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 23:59:18; PeterL: sorry, cazalla
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17346 @ 0.00038114 = 6.6113 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: adlai: haven't switched it on in a good long while.
decimation: asciilifeform: re: software that kills < http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1319903 < the toyota thing was discussed here in the past
assbot: Toyota Case: Single Bit Flip That Killed | EE Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1GibvJH )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26954 @ 0.00038246 = 10.3088 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo confesses running to OpenBSD instead of Gentoo not because of knowledge, but from a lack of knowledge. Still determine personal minimal set of installed software. No confident enough to make best choices on a whole workstation (as opposed to appliance) stack.
asciilifeform: speaking of the ada foundation, i randomly tested their mac port ( http://mirrors.cdn.adacore.com/art/ee55f5eb79cb118552c03fc83fa2d5c1580f5353 ) and it only segfaults.
asciilifeform: as in, every single one of the executables.
asciilifeform: does -anybody- test this crap ?
mircea_popescu: dude that shadbase.com thing...
decimation: asciilifeform: I spent a few days trying to get ada working on osx 10.9, gave up
mircea_popescu: wtf is it, someone's lcd trip ?
asciilifeform: decimation: use gcc's.
decimation: macports has a 'port' of gcc-gnat , but it requires an existing ada compiler to build
adlai: lcd trip = lsd + advertisements?
asciilifeform: decimation: comes with one, typically
decimation: it swore that it didn't
decimation: I don't understand why
asciilifeform: i suppose that was only on real computer
mircea_popescu: adlai lol
gabriel_laddel: lcd trip?
mircea_popescu: it's a joke!
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 01:03:49; pete_dushenski: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_INR8ZXIAIIs2q.jpg << lulzy shot of coinbase orderbook, allegedly from earlier today, showing an order for *negative* bitcoin
decimation: asciilifeform: macports suggested four alternatives, none of which were available or worked
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00037921 = 5.0435 BTC [-]
adlai: asciilifeform: what's the lispm good for these days? i'm intrigued by them but (as you yourself have said) software sim is much more practical these days
BingoBoingo: One of these days, would love to use as main online computter http://webspace.webring.com/people/a7/717171/Blacky.html
asciilifeform: adlai: for satisfying curiosity about what it actually felt like in the period
asciilifeform: adlai: for just about everything else, the emulator
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040208 << it's only like the... 5th or so to falsely claim firstness on that score.
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 01:10:36; pete_dushenski: at the time it seemed like a basement operation
asciilifeform: adlai: though if you want a '100% authentic' experience with the emulator, you'll need a symbolics keyboard and an adapter
mircea_popescu: but hey, bitcoin ragazine material.
asciilifeform: (not available commercially. i reversed the keyboard, then some german fella made adapter)
asciilifeform: not even sure if he used my schematic or not
asciilifeform: don't much care today
adlai: you used a regular keyboard with the lispm?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040212 << iirc this exists, since about 2011. davout's thing.
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 01:11:52; Pierre_Rochard: ^ what I’m waiting for is an exchange with segregated fiat accounts held by a custodian bank. May be wishful thinking
asciilifeform: adlai: no. reverse
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There were people inquiring about qntra submisisons on the firstness of that, but when pressed to source... saw necessary hedges unnews'd it
adlai: or the symbolics keyboard with the emulator?
asciilifeform: lispm keyboard with pc
adlai: ok
assbot: Internet story pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DK2bIF )
adlai: BingoBoingo: "why did the dinosaur cross the road? because the chicken hadn't yet evolved"
asciilifeform: there was another, later white kbd, which i have, with entirely different internals - but protocol-compatible with the old scanned-matrix one pictured here
BingoBoingo: adlai: If I had knowledge to author regex, I'd have a refutation...
adlai: no, you'd have two problems
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00037649 = 11.8594 BTC [-]
adlai: regex authorship is a treacherous knowledge
asciilifeform: lispm gives an interesting feeling straight away - of computer that cost what a business airplane cost, and intended to maximize the thinking power of an economically-important thinking person
asciilifeform: for instance, the console was really a powerful computer in its own right (contained video rendered and sound card) and could be separated from the (very loud!) machine by, iirc, 200 metres!
asciilifeform: a multiaxial shielded cable was included for this purpose
asciilifeform: we -still!!!!- don't have this with x86 pc!
BingoBoingo: adlai: A number of technologies produce by a factor of ten more probems than they solve, why would regex be so bad. Not like it is python...
asciilifeform: i listen to fucking fans all day long
asciilifeform: because we don't have this.
mircea_popescu: haha fawks was evil.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> haha fawks was evil. << The phoenix, no. Chaotic neutral
mircea_popescu: i mean evil as in, wicked.
gabriel_laddel: interestingly, the common lisp standard doesn't contain regular expressions. Why? Because they're unnecessary when you don't ever have to parse input.
asciilifeform: see also naggum
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 01:16:52; asciilifeform: hruschev was a whole gensec and what did that get him after retirement.
BingoBoingo: Amazingly sbcl, no problem on OpenBSD. Any Ada at all, huge fucking pain.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
adlai: does it thread?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: tried the one built into gcc yet?
asciilifeform: adlai: sbcl, iirc, threads everywhere at this point
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel you stil lthink 18mn units sold means something ?
asciilifeform: if asking about ada, the standard requires platform-independent 100% usable threading
asciilifeform: in fact, it requires program to behave in exactly the same way on any platform, if using only what is contained in the standard
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: with respect to the claim that console gaming is 'dead' - yes.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Haven't got response to it yet, lack time for my Micheal J Fox hands. adlai Even bitcoin-qt threads beautifully here
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040238 << it's never the case that you can find one of these "things that be" (as per http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-03-2015#1038150 ) that doesn't have a mole ready to go wherever.
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 01:26:15; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: One of the safest assumptions from the film though is that one of the core group of Snowden journalists had at some poin been turned or always was an unsavory side vegetable. Likely Greenwald, likely before meeting snowden in HK.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 20:35:08; mircea_popescu: but seriously, wikipedia is returned because "fact:wikipedia is what we promote" rather than any "algorithmics"
mircea_popescu: it's kind-of like looking for a soviet army unit without a political comissar.
adlai: http://www.sbcl.org/platform-table.html < pogobsd seems unsupported
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel "dead" in the sense of, "not what gaming is"
mircea_popescu: they had a chance at making games = consoles, prior to 94
asciilifeform: adlai: who the fuck needs regex when you have set-macro-character ( http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/f_set_ma.htm ) and brain
mircea_popescu: apple came a lot closer to making phones = iphone
mircea_popescu: ultimately also failed. it's a hard fcking thing.
mircea_popescu: but ibm did succeed, making computers = their micros.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I watched citizenfour at my drunk and most socially aware BAC. They talked about the shortlived Snowden2.0 in Russia. His opsec failure was making any contact with Greenhole.
adlai: asciilifeform: who the fuck needs lispworks when you have http://l1sp.org/search?q=s-m-c
assbot: s-m-c - l1sp.org search ... ( http://bit.ly/1DK5GyT )
asciilifeform: adlai: it seems to link right back to lispworkd
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: kk.
adlai: well yes, but shorter and clearer what you're sinking to, cf http://l1sp.org/cl/3.1.2.1.2.3
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel so yeah, not dead dead. "dead".
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, "xerox" is still how you say copier machine / to copy paper by machine in most of the world.
adlai: gabriel_laddel: c.l.l...
gabriel_laddel: adlai: ?
gabriel_laddel: adlai: I was linking you to it b/c you asked why one might want a lispm
gabriel_laddel: adlai: apparently the text editor rocks
gabriel_laddel: Which is unsurprising.
asciilifeform: adlai: 3.1.2.1.2.3 is clearer than f_set_ma ?!?! on what planet, wtf
BingoBoingo amazed building python2.7.8 from ports much less pain than building sbcl whatever the available was.
mircea_popescu: it occurs to me you're all very drunk.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But on what? (easier to answer for what I am drunk on than the others)
adlai: for values of EtOH approaching Δ9-THC
BingoBoingo: You Jews and your herbs
BingoBoingo: Moses set a bad example
adlai: gabriel_laddel: i'm reading, thank you. asciilifeform dunno, i recognize many sections by number
decimation: asciilifeform: regex does seem to be a kind of 'hair shirt' that is proudly worn by modern programmers
asciilifeform: adlai: lol, i do also, but the other folks here ?!
asciilifeform: doubt it
adlai: ;;isup l1sp.org/mop
gribble: l1sp.org/mop is up
adlai: lies
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040271 << tbh, i suspect there are fundamental problems that prevent functional implementations of this segregation in functional currencies. you're essentially stuck choosing : either fiat currency and imaginary "segregation" (of definitionally worthless "money") or else strong currency and no segregation.
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 01:47:14; Pierre_Rochard: decimation: this is about separating the traders’ cash from the exchange’s cash. Comingling of funds is not a good idea, as you point out it can lead to “fractional reserve” by the exchange (more precisely, defalcation)
mircea_popescu: the correct solution probably is to simply put someone in charge, and have them answer with their head.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63600 @ 0.00038039 = 24.1928 BTC [+] {2}
adlai: you people seen tlsnotary yet?
mircea_popescu: which will make large banking concerns impossible, but perhaps to no detriment.
decimation: BingoBoingo: one thing snowden is his brazen equivocation between domestic and foreign espionage
mircea_popescu: decimation missing a verb ?
decimation: ah sorry, ^ one thing that bothers me about snowden
gabriel_laddel: adlai: No, but looking at the website.... why do you mention it?
mircea_popescu: can you explain the difference ?
adlai: tlsnotary lets you turn any bank with functional online services into the fiat side of a wot-based exchange
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, today at $censored_firm we were suddenly excited to learn that a very, very costly $censored_guild_professional will accept a document via 'pgp'... only to learn that he was speaking of a 100%-proprietary turdware
adlai: tlsnotary [purports to let you]*, (but they seem to know what they're doing, as far as i can tell)
asciilifeform: that won't touch normal pgp keys, and requires centrally-blessed 'certs'
BingoBoingo: decimation: Snowden is still you enough for an Anerican to be angry about his circumstances of origin. Provided the documentary interviews actually involved him he seemed personally slighted that his HK room hotel phone listened.
adlai: gabriel_laddel: i was just trying to show off more l1sp.org features
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Aha they took reop as is... Even with the part where it only exists as a "go" turd
decimation: BingoBoingo: snowden seems to be 5% 'whistleblower' and 95% 'media sensation'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nope. ssl-based crap
adlai: asciilifeform: the convenience of pgp with all the trustlessness of ssl!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: by $american_megacorp
asciilifeform: very similar to what's used in usg dod
mircea_popescu: adlai lmao exactly.
asciilifeform: anyway, you lot missed the only remarkable fact about this tale
BingoBoingo: decimation: Media sensation part seem sto mostly have been an asbestos jacket. He seems, if film was honest to know it was a life shortening ploy, but less so than what manning did.
asciilifeform: that the fella actually thought he was 'using pgp'
asciilifeform: i.e., that this is what pgp is
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why do you think the idiocy of a bureaucrat is remarkable to any degree ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: S.Mime
adlai: http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2014-September/022803.html < tlsnotary overview by the author, conveys details better than a tl;dr
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not a bureaucrat
mircea_popescu: he thinks his life is a life, and his woman a woman, and so on and so forth
adlai guesses that $censored_guild has set the bar rather low...
decimation: ultimately, snowden's downfall is that he's a libertard, and that by 'creating a conversation' or 'raising awareness' he can accomplishing anything is a fallacy
asciilifeform: adlai: apparently.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe have one of the more socially perceptive girls screen the citizenfour thing to see if it is worthy of your eyes. Nothing about it suggest weakening opsec in the slightest. Just do they get the same Greenwald was the snitch vibe that I did.
mircea_popescu: decimation a lot has been accomplished however.
adlai mourns the pun's sad lonely death
decimation: mircea_popescu: satans invisible world revealed?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: WOuld explain alot about Omi*'s reported media empire failure method
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