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assbot: King of cannabis Nevil Schoenmakers stages a quiet comeback ... ( http://bit.ly/18aU1Bj )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: heh check that out.
mircea_popescu: poor guy had to wait 20 years for teh fucktards torun out of steam.
NewLiberty: decimation, the cash car loans operation is registered to do it. They do pawn for cars so fairly high value goods. I may try to sell the owner on the idea since he was contemplating starting an exchange.
asciilifeform: pawn-for-btc ?
asciilifeform: or pawn-btc-for-usd ?
TheNewDeal: ;;bids 216.9
gribble: Bitstamp | There are currently 5830.8258 bitcoins demanded at or over 216.9 USD, worth 1354479.01693 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0220 seconds
TheNewDeal: !down TheNewDeal
assbot: Greece and creditors agree to extend bailout package - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/19O6co4 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00038386 = 9.4046 BTC [+]
assbot: xkcd: Fundamental Forces ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jvx0cL )
assbot: mihaila / Bindead / wiki / Home — Bitbucket ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvyNi2 )
mats: binary static analysis.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35532 @ 0.00038424 = 13.6528 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: w00tsec: Firmware Forensics: Diffs, Timelines, ELFs and Backdoors ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bx9Oqd )
assbot: Iraqi showdown against ISIL? - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1BxdAQc )
mats: 1:1 odds the iraqis will flee on contact
cazalla: i tell you what, keira knightley is looking worse for wear in that turing movie (which was shit)
cazalla: she looks 10 years older than what she is in that movie
Adlai: but what about blunderbuss cucumberpatch?
Adlai saw some review that maintained that just that casting choice invalidated the rest of the movie
punkman: cazalla, Schoenmaker still alive huh
cazalla: Adlai, i dunno, seemed he was intent on acting like an autistic retard the entire movie
BingoBoingo: First act of this morning which began an hour after midnight, shoveling snow and laying salt was a success
punkman: iirc one of his partners was a USG agent, surprising he escaped USG prison
cazalla: punkman, was always known he was alive through his dealings with mr nice seedbank
punkman: Mr Nice spent quite some time in USG prison
punkman: his book is a fun read
BingoBoingo: punkman: That was more a concern for the local authorities. If the feds knew, they almost always just kept such information in J Edgar's blackmail file.
cazalla: punkman, from what i've read, greenhouse seeds posers ripped the mothers off nev and mr nice
cazalla: who really knows the fkn truth of it all though
punkman: I just like teh smuggling stories
cazalla: everything would suggest arjan roskam is nothing but a glorified adsense marketer for weed
cazalla: punkman, same
cazalla: i'm the first the campaign about the medicinal effects of alcohol over the medicinal effects of herbs
cazalla: to*.. clearly i am under the effects of medicinal alcohol at this very moment
BingoBoingo: ;;google modern drunkard magazine
gribble: Modern Drunkard Magazine: <http://www.drunkard.com/>; You're a Drunk - Modern Drunkard Magazine: <http://www.drunkard.com/md_youre_a_drunk.htm>; Top 10 - Modern Drunkard Magazine: <http://www.drunkard.com/top-ten.html>
cazalla: i never smoked the wacky toboacky in my life
Adlai: BingoBoingo++
Adlai: ;;later rate cazalla -1 unless he smokes the sticky tabiccy
gribble: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "rate" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
Adlai: though combustion is not requires, vapor is also nice and would suffice
cazalla: ;;later rate adlai -100 insinuates i am not a law abiding citizen of the commonwealth of australia
gribble: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "rate" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
cazalla: you mean like snoop dogg vapors?
BingoBoingo: Let us all remember the bong was a part of the USG lowering Shrem into pederastry
Adlai: afaik he smokes, but any self-respecting coffeeshop has desktop vapes like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im3bgflEaoc
assbot: VOLCANO Digit Vaporizer Review and demo- Digit Vaporizer Review Volcano Demonstration - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EANBFB )
cazalla: or you mean vaping alcohol adlai? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOa_GXNpuJk
assbot: Smoking Alcohol! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EANDgC )
kakobrekla: <cazalla> everything would suggest arjan < yep, arjan lying thief
Adlai: vaping alcohol sounds rather dangerous, plant matter is easy enough to ignite, why fuck with biofuel
Adlai: ignite *accidentally
Adlai: 'bong was a part of the USG lowering Shrem into pederastry' << ?
kakobrekla: <punkman> his book is a fun read < yup, quite out there.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82121 @ 0.00038613 = 31.7094 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !s bong
assbot: 32 results for 'bong' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bong
kakobrekla: movie sucks balls though.
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Before his arrest Charlie gave some magazine interview and spoke often of his bong and spoke very fondly of it.
Adlai: 32! never took this to be such a hot topic™
cazalla: Adlai, i don't think shrem is in the lock up yet anyway
Adlai: yeah i guess you need a few olympic golds to own a bong
BingoBoingo: Adlai: You really do here. Or to otherwise be boring.
kakobrekla: ;;google charlie shrem bong
gribble: Bitcoin Millionaire Charlie Shrem of BitInstant Arrested - Vocativ: <http://www.vocativ.com/tech/bitcoin/bitcoin-millionaire-charlie-shrem-arrested-money-laundering/>; My Night Out With Bitcoin Millionaire and Proud Stoner Charlie Shrem: <http://www.vocativ.com/tech/bitcoin/night-bitcoin-millionaire-proud-stoner-charlie-shrem/>; THE CRYPTO SHOW | Bringing the world of technology, (1 more message)
cazalla: fkn unaustralian cunts never heard of a mr juicy bottle and the ever shortening garden hose?
kakobrekla: >Later in the the night, we went up to his apartment, where I spotted a couple of bongs. At some point, Shrem told me, “I won’t hire you unless I drink with you or smoke weed with you—that’s a 100 percent fact.”
kakobrekla: ah right, who could forget.
Adlai: it's the japanese way
cazalla: i thought the japanese way was to steal your shit
cazalla: kamakazzzzziiieee
BingoBoingo: In USia "drugs" are often used as a pretext by USG for taking nice things from people who have nice things.
punkman: BingoBoingo: I thought the pretext was "how dare you have nice things"
BingoBoingo: punkman: Well, "drugs" is they pretext of convenience used before resorting to that one.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, same here down under, but i drink so it's all legal
cazalla: but i don't have nice things anyway
BingoBoingo: yeah. some time in the past I occasionally enjoyed other substances, but... Bitcoin happened.
cazalla: i don't even buy new clothes in like 2-3 years
cazalla: seems a waste of money
punkman: good clothes last longer than that
cazalla: punkman, even the best of clothes don't fit expanding waist line :P
cazalla: but i keep em anyway, rocky montage inc any day now
punkman: rabbit is lean, how u expand waist
cazalla: sitting on ass and boozing
cazalla: fwiw, use to run 10km a day, so not like i don't know what it takes to be comitted rocky balboa righter champion of the world beat anyone in a tussel
punkman: you could wear beer-can hat and run at the same time!
cazalla: nah i live that for the baseball fans *nudge* BingoBoingo
cazalla: leave
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Have you seen the waistlines of some of the players?
cazalla: well no, it's not popular here aside a few sepppo wannabes
cazalla: in fact, i have pics from area i use to take morning walks
cazalla: was a make shift baseball field
cazalla: pics are bitter sweet because while i was busy checking out the drains in the area
cazalla: blockchain height was moving higher and higher
cazalla: oblivious
BingoBoingo: I've got about 8 months left for 0.7.2 WTF to finish syncing
cazalla: yet to tackle that
cazalla: tbh, i found obsd and xfce to run like ass, no surprise a nigbuntu runs faster
cazalla: i still got it on the other hdd but i switched back to the nigbuntu for time being until i figure out how to make firefox run faster minus the crashes with obsd (yeah, i increased mem for account ,added to staff, no go)
cazalla: reminds me of that wish i could read so i could get welfare meme
cazalla: but more, i wish i could compute so as not to get owned
cazalla: anyway.. pics of playing in drains while blockheight moved higher and higher http://imgur.com/BOSU8OS,ihFlqIk,mvnw852
cazalla: this is what i meant anyway http://i.imgur.com/3wcaEwf.png
assbot: Paw - Jessie (HQ) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18c8gWg )
assbot: Modern Drunkard Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/18c9lNQ )
cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tbQRbNMlks props to anyone who guesses the grinspoon reference :P
assbot: Grinspoon - Just Ace (Recovery, 1998) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18c9EIF )
cazalla: seen this guys at the BDO like 10 years ago, disappointing in concert https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_UCks8O0FA
assbot: Hoodoo Gurus - Miss Freelove 69 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18caAwJ )
assbot: www.havelockinvestments.com | 521: Web server is down ... ( http://bit.ly/18caEN1 )
kakobrekla: this is offline since yesterday it seems
cazalla: kakobrekla, but dead long time before that
kakobrekla: but the RENT is too god damn high
cazalla: i don't think you can even buy a home in the shittest areas of australia at the price RENT is paying for homes
kakobrekla: ah i see mike already noticed yet.
kakobrekla: yest.
cazalla: the sticks i gew up in.. went for under 100k 25 years ago.. over 500k now
cazalla: as in the sticks, 2 1/2 drive to sydney to work, 2 1/2 hour drive back every fucking day, people do it en masse
cazalla: yet in school, told we would be farmers
cazalla: by time school finished, no farms in site
cazalla: when school began, we lit plenty of fires on plenty of farms to help the fire bug country fire association put them out.. that's if they didn't start em their fucking selves
cazalla: the fuck you teach me how to milk cows and raise meat chickens for, stupid fkn public schooling
cazalla: yet agriciulutral school still persists to this day despite every bit of plastic shit being shipped in from china
cazalla: so what happens when ya train a bunch of kids for local industry that no longer exist by the time they become adults? cunts like this lol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Valera
assbot: Mark Valera - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0iB1P )
cazalla: should've known that cunt had a screw lose when he was adamant about shaq attacking every basketball hoop in the township
assbot: Tex Perkins - I Know Y'Know I Know - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0jXcI )
cazalla: prob only vexual appreciats the solo t-shirt
chetty: in fairness Internet didn't exist when I was in school, how they gonna train kids for things that haven't been invented yet?
cazalla: primary or high school chetty? we had dial up with netscape in highschool, fucking cunts were adamant about getting me off it, about the same time as the dumb ibm library terminals were shipped out for windows shit as discused here
cazalla: of course net was expensive as shit here, so had bbs as side gig, yearr 8 high school teacher use to call into my board too
cazalla: fkn old hag constantly bitching we were on austnet irc before roll call
cazalla: the fuck else you gonna use the net for back then?
chetty: well the specific 'thing' isnt the point, but the world changes fast and they didnt train car mechanics back in buggy whip days either
cazalla: well, we were still being trained for no existent agricultural jobs in 1998 on the priviso we started them back in like 93 or some shit, god forbid they up and admit there was a fkn cow or farm in the region any longer and the farming lands were all sold to build shitty properties on
cazalla: still shits me, i was promised a farm, all i wanted was a farm.. still.. no farm
jurov: buy some land, feed yourself?
cazalla: i still harbour immense resentment about all this shit
cazalla: jurov, i got a small plot here, problem is in australia, one is expected to work 30-40 years to pay for it
cazalla: my broke ass immigrant opa with less than 2 dimes had his shit paid off in 2 decades
cazalla: now you need a phd just to work the mcdonalds grill
chetty: we are all slaves
chetty: <cazalla> now you need a phd just to work the mcdonalds grill// how else they gonna keep ya in debt for life?
cazalla: something is very fucking wrong when my broke ass opa who couldn't speak a word of fucking english managed to get a job in the steel works and pay off a house in 2 decades and raise 6 kids in the 1950s... not even 2 adults working with 1 kid can do that today here
cazalla: i never fucking had more than a broken ass discussion with him in english, his broken ass polish/german/ russian and yet the dude who slept in a fucking barn as a kid had better prospects coming here in here in here in the 50s than me and the missus do combined
cazalla: i'm not against work mind you
cazalla: but these make work jobs they put you in for 30-40 years at bezzle rates
cazalla: i dunno how ppl are yet to tap out
chetty: people hypnotized by tv and drugged up dont notice
cazalla: i honestly think i'd do better in an enviroment of scare food and where you gotta kill to eat
chetty: a lot of us would
chetty: (why to all those people go join the jihad?)
cazalla: i've been in an environment where beatings were par for the course and told i was fucking lucky and should be grateful because i wasn't raised by the wehrmacht solider himself and didn't cop beatings near as bad
cazalla: well, news here in australiua chetty is some people upset their kids are defecting to IS
assbot: Islamic State: Perth university student Muhammed Sheglabo joins fighters in Middle East - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0osEi )
cazalla: i don't blame em, for a young australian, there is fucking nothing unless you are prepared to work 40 years in a make work job to pay off an inflated piece of shit block with no back yard 2 bedroom pos
chetty: idiot west makes getting ahead impossible, permanent slavery to the state, and then doesn't understand why the kids go join jihad?
cazalla: of all the socialist countries in the western world, australia might in fact be the worst
cazalla: and i am somewhat "privilileged"
cazalla: the ones that come after me though? they are truely fucked
chetty: nah, something will break, a reset is coming
cazalla: i fucking hope so
cazalla: i'm already clinging to a shit rope
cazalla: with the weight of others clingingin to it unware i'm trying to carry them so that they don't fucking starve
chetty: time for some tough love, all those parents with 20+ kids living in the basement should kick em out
cazalla: maybe the kids have no option though
cazalla: i was still living at home on and off during late teens, early 20s despite all the bullshit
chetty: but thats the point, most humans are pretty lazy, as long as they can hide and live off others, they will
cazalla: bezzle makes em dependent, lazy
cazalla: or maybe they just don't want to work dead end make work jobs
chetty: yup, a kick into reality
cazalla: i been looking for work myself atm
cazalla: much like asciilifeform's discussion of people working for #b-a at the liberty of the bezzle or offtime
cazalla: the fucking noose grows tighter, i tell you that now
cazalla: selling btc grants you perhaps additional time but eventually that shit rope will tigthten for good and that angel lust inc
cazalla: yet i can think of nothing worse
cazalla: ya fucking hung as in necked or i go and prostitute myself on a part time basis to keep lights on
cazalla: sometimes i wish i never found this place, i wouldn;t know any fucking better, could've kept towing the line that this is how it's to be
cazalla: this whole fucking bitcoin escapade is bitter sweet
chetty: knowing truth can be painful
cazalla: times like this i regret having a missus and kid
Adlai: is/isil/isis/etc should rebrand as "United States of Islamica"
cazalla: i could survive on noodles myself.. but the kid... i won't have that
chetty: but I for one would not trade it. And ya twice as bad when other depend on you
cazalla: nad yet if bitcoin fulfils its destiny, i'll prob eat a bowl of shit from the kid
cazalla: which makes me contemplate.. mp and physical discipline.. i couldn't imagine hitting my kid.. yet, if my own father didnt flog me with jugcord and leave countless bruises.. i don't think i'd be here today
cazalla: such conflict
cazalla: i value a meal, a roof over my head, a warm bed
chetty: Adlai, maybe thats what O meant about the 57 states ?
chetty: cazalla, your kid is still young, no? the rod comes later
cazalla: 13 months
cazalla: i don't know if i could hit him in the fashion my own father hit me
cazalla: and my old man copped it much worse from his father than i did mine
chetty: at that age its hard to imagine them ever doing anything that needs punishment. Things change :)
cazalla: maybe i do my own son an injustice.. say i wind up dead in 15-20 years time and he inherits the lot..
cazalla: i can;t think of anything worse than my son taking what i own just as he hits his late teens, early 20s
cazalla: but my own trajectory.. dead soon enough
cazalla: already live as if on borrowed time
cazalla: hecen drinking oneself stupid
cazalla: goal is just to impart to son that he need not follow rules of society set by bezzle
cazalla: prob serve him better if i drop dead earlier in his life than later
cazalla: up againstg it though
cazalla: everything and everyone wants to instruct him to follow and obey others
cazalla: not that obeying others is wrong.. just wrong people
cazalla: go to school, do your 2+2, watch cartoons, use ipad, earn marks form shitty ass teachers who for some reason or other get to depict student as A+ or F
cazalla: fwiw, i didn't even finish school, plenty of C's D's E's and F's because what they taught was utter shit.. oobedience to the bezzle, obedience to who paid them and kept a roof over their head
chetty: school is great slave training, obey obey obey
cazalla: fail P.E, yet i could beat the shit, or at least put up a fight againt the stronger kids who beat me anyway
cazalla: only fights i lost were against the kids who's own father beat the shit out of them.. and at that point it was not many
cazalla: and you knew.. just by looking at them
cazalla: i use to have fights with 2-3 kids
cazalla: and i'd win, because fighting my own father who would not hesitant to flog me with a jug cord or punch and wind me.. nothin any other kid could muster
cazalla: and the result? oh you are oppositional defiant, you have a conduct disorder
cazalla: fuck them all
cazalla: modern school breeds weak kids so that they breed even weaker kids
punkman: I learned good things in school, but higher ed was a complete disappointment
cazalla: meanwhile the "elite" laugh at the idea that modern conflict can be solved with anything but violence
cazalla: i learned nothing
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cazalla: anything i learned was from fidonet which these fucks fought and fought to keep me off the computer
cazalla: close one door, open another, that was the epitome
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19647 @ 0.00037076 = 7.2843 BTC [-]
cazalla: i am not intelligent, never really had the opportunity or desire to reach out for knowledge, nothing more than a class of person who, if dedicated, could become a master wine/cheese/anyfood maker
cazalla: but when such a class of person is robbed of such opportunity, you know it is real over
cazalla: mistake they made, was to allow idiots like me to grasp prometheus' fire, god forbid what the smarter amongst us here have in store for such people
cazalla: i hope you neck every single one of them
jurov: adn what happened with dad's land? so that you ended up without anything
chetty: smart is a very relative thing, that you are here says a lot
cazalla: and if someone like me end up with my hands around your neck? god forbid, well acquainted withe the slaughter of innocent animals, but the guilty?
cazalla: jurov, what i have doesn't even keep pace with the bezzle
jurov: please explain
jurov: did he sell everything and gave you only bezzlars?
cazalla: no, but the cost of electricity, gas and others under the idea of global warming and taxes
cazalla: it'll fucking deplete the lot
cazalla: what took a joe stack to realise in 50 years takes someone like me to realise in 25 years which takes someone to come after 10-15 years
punkman: I got some land that needs a farmer, might have to wait for the btc slaves though
cazalla: <chetty> smart is a very relative thing, that you are here says a lot <<< nope, says that we're near the end
cazalla: when soemone like me strolls into #b-a and becomes a regular, you know it's almost over
punkman: what's almost over?
Adlai: calm before the storm?
cazalla: the current way of doing things where you print shit effortlessly for a lifetime of someone elses hard worked effort
punkman: wishes, horses
Adlai: ugh. several of irl peers work as salespeople, and justify this as their response to bezzle... "we get preyed on, so we prey on others"
cazalla: punkman, what's a wish?
cazalla: you think i'm gonna raise my own to go out into the world, accue large amounts of bezzle debt for a uni degree to work at mcdonalds?
cazalla: i'd be disappointed if he tells the uni recruiter anything less than fuck you
Adlai: does australia have a similar student loan system to the us?
cazalla: uni loans keepspace with inflation.. and not even solider pay keeps up with inflation.. http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/defence-bureaucrats-stung-by-meagre-pay-offer-20150219-13jlz3.html
assbot: Defence bureaucrats stung by meagre pay offer ... ( http://bit.ly/19PIMi6 )
cazalla: gov is more than happy to load you up on debt for b-a
cazalla: fkn kids should get a #b-a instead of a b-a
punkman: cazalla, wishing the bezzle away
punkman: you gonna have to neck them
cazalla: hey, the day a certain someone orders them all lined up and machine gunned, i'll fkn be there
cazalla: im just fucking itching to unlease some bloodlust on orcs and march em forward
cazalla: and if you think i'm fucking kidding, just try me
punkman: also, I'm not gonna care about Zimbabwe bezzle, as long as I'm not there
chetty: <cazalla> what took a joe stack to realise in 50 years takes someone like me to realise in 25 years which takes someone to come after 10-15 years// I dont think it has another 10-15 years left in it
cazalla: chetty, i'm being generous
cazalla: hopefully we have a whole fucking army of joe stack kamikazes
cazalla: pew pew pew
cazalla: i like mp's touch.. 5 year anniversary
cazalla: of course, no-one commented, but if i noticed the timing..
cazalla: kamikaze!
Adlai: too bad "ideas are bulletproof" shoots both ways
Adlai: the enemy is not a person
danielpbarron: height=214124 vs height=188482
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BingoBoingo: !up arvicco
BingoBoingo: !up arvicco1
assbot: Homeland Security Urges Lenovo Customers To Remove Superfish - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FHbjU8 )
dignork: btw Superfish clowns could at least spare some embarrassment if they generated CA cert per customer instead of using hard-coded one.
BingoBoingo: dignork: You mean like the windows AV vendors do?
dignork: well, pretty much anyone doing TLS MitM just creates one key per client/subnet/attack, unless it's USG just using a kosher VeriSign key
BingoBoingo: Makes sense
mircea_popescu: assbot: Greece and creditors agree to extend bailout package << euians saw all the fun usians had with the "debt ceiling", made a little sideshow of their own.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: http://xkcd.com/1489/ <<< that's pretty much EXACTLY it. and then various noobs imagine physics is a serious science, while in fact it barely hangs out at the outskirts of credibility, and same noobs imagine stuff like i dunno, psychiatry or "earth sciences" are not kinda as srs as physics "but nevertheless".
assbot: xkcd: Fundamental Forces ... ( http://bit.ly/1zW0jKs )
mircea_popescu: that's what nobody wants to really say about string theory : while it's a ridiculous pile of pasta, it's not *really* that far off from physics.
mircea_popescu: "US Central Command says up to 25,000 troops are being assembled for the Mosul campaign, to take on 1-2,000 ISIL fighters." boooon.... o sa iasa un dezastru...
PeterL: why do they need so many troops?
mircea_popescu: because they don't stand a chance.
mircea_popescu: "well at least there's a lot of us. that gotta count for something."
mircea_popescu: anyway, that they're "iraquis" is ridoinculous beyond belief. not even the usg believes anyone'd believe it, hence the "and kurdish" because supposedly nobody knows who the kurds are. except...
mircea_popescu: "everyone" knows academi has been hiring overtime. these are all mercenaries, they are costing the us more than us troops would have cost
mircea_popescu: and winning a war with mercenaries against those nuts is above what i could accomplish.
PeterL: and us USians still wonder why we are paying for soldiers to derp around on the other side of the world
mircea_popescu: but the move has both putin and the chinese politburo in stitches. seriously, this means the us will never again deploy its own troops. us military just became an extremely expensive jannisary corp.
mircea_popescu: the epic lulz of it tho... so iraq had some 100k under arms that ran off abandoning not just weapons but their very unifortms, and now the us that don't even speak the language found 20k guys who are of the opposite persuasion. heck, if only the iraq state could be as proficiernt, they could have found better soldiers o.O
PeterL: at what point does this mercenary force stop listening to orders and just raiding whoever the feel like?
mircea_popescu: half hour in ?
mircea_popescu: let me remind you that last time the dod threatened to investigate blackwater the response (from the ceo) was : if you try we'll just kill your "investigator" and that'll be that.
mircea_popescu: so they... didn't.
PeterL: seems like we are building a monster we wont be able to control
mircea_popescu: that's coupla decades ago.
PeterL: but we keep feeding it, at some point it won't need our food anymore
mircea_popescu: if you raise your children badly, it's not that they won't NEED it
mircea_popescu: is that at some point they'll stop merely taking what you provide and start beating you.
chetty: "US Central Command says up to 25,000 troops are being assembled for the Mosul campaign, to take on 1-2,000 ISIL fighters."//next notice to include specific deployment schedules and routes, never fear
mircea_popescu: paris police is regularly ordered to stand down from organised muslim crime. what exactly is so special about paris ?
mircea_popescu: all these dudes can just move to new york, rob banks. what's to stop them ?
mircea_popescu: the discussion is in the logs on this score.
mircea_popescu: chetty its because they [perhaps correctly] figure they need the outside reinforcement.
mircea_popescu: ie, why will this force do what we tell them to ? well... because thewy saw it on tv.
chetty: rofl
mircea_popescu: i've never seen nuttery on this level before. seriously, "soft politics" is one thing, "oh we're so good we control teh ppl with the media".
mircea_popescu: applied in lieu of chain of command ? what are these people smoking!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: simpler than that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: theory goes that no well-fed u.s. 400k-usd/yr academi demolitions expert or whatnot has the slightest desire to be king of the orcs
asciilifeform: because orcs
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu> "everyone" knows academi has been hiring overtime. << these are all noobs.
mircea_popescu: think about it. GREEN mercenaries vs allah's host.
asciilifeform: green with infinite air support ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> think about it. GREEN mercenaries vs allah's host. << Don't forget the mercenaries that aren't green in the peshmerga who want their own state carved out of Turkey
mircea_popescu: somebody in the us ACTUALLY SET TO PAPER the thought that well, since they're noobs that's a strategic advantage, "nobody will be able to know they're not as described on tin, iraq/kurd"
chetty: green mercs, green commanders, micro management from on high = a sure fire recipe
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno how infinite that is. but "infinite" didn't help vietnam
mircea_popescu: chetty makes your skin crawl don't it.
chetty: it do, it do
asciilifeform not specialist, but remembers that vietnam had, e.g., leaf cover
asciilifeform: and good soviet support
mircea_popescu: o, im sure nobody is supporting the arabs o.O
asciilifeform: arabs or 'isis'
asciilifeform: iirc there's some disagreement among the arabs at large
asciilifeform: unless i grossly misunderstand, it's not a 'us vs arabs' match, but a 'small faction of uppity orcs vs whole bunch of other folks incl. most of the neighbouring orcs' match.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah, but turkey's an ally in this campaign o.O
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i would say that's a gross misrepresentation.
mircea_popescu: it's a "us vs one of the football teams of the Y. they do nominally vie for supremacy. they do not in the slightest mind any one team take the world cup"
mircea_popescu: it's like a rite of passage, for arabs, pissing on the great satan. whoever does it best is just more respectable, is all.
mats: i don't believe the kurds will actually fight inside mosul
mircea_popescu: i don't see it either.
mircea_popescu: but as a kind-of minor point. what fucking kurds.
BingoBoingo: <mats> i don't believe the kurds will actually fight inside mosul << There's a time and place the Kurds will fight, but first the need to go through the motions of leveraging all of the phree stuff they can from Obola
mats: BingoBoingo: i believe the kurds will be on the outskirts of mosul, pulling security
mircea_popescu: what i'd like to see is what the fuck "humint" provided the 1-2k figure is all.
mats: as i understand it, they don't want to wade into shia sunni violence and catch some political fallout in the process
mircea_popescu: sadly i don't see too well inside teh golden crescent. no real interest for me there.
BingoBoingo: mats: Here prolly. Give it a decade or two. The Mujahadeen didn't become Al Queda until Osama needed to handle pensions.
mircea_popescu: that's an interesting point.
BingoBoingo: Right now the talking heads in the media keep talking about how we need to arm the Kurds further, and how far we are from fulfilling their requests in total.
mircea_popescu: oh gods i am so thankful to have been born in the first ever Age of Comedy
mircea_popescu: no golden age before is worth all of this golden lulz.
mats: help help i'm being oppressed
thestringpuller: except the golden age of comics
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo seriously, SERIOUSLY ? like... like... like soviet broadcasts in 1940 ?
mircea_popescu: about how hard teh ppl are workin to supply thje salvation army and what % quotas were supplied ?
BingoBoingo: I remember earlier this week some radio host talking about how Obama is only giving the Peshmerga 20 so Armoured personel carriers instead of the 120 som the Pershmerga needs
mircea_popescu: as if someone somewhere is actually busy putting mill to metal to "supply" the needs ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously
mircea_popescu: hilarious.
mircea_popescu: Adlai: though combustion is not requires, vapor is also nice and would suffice << this guy so fried...
mircea_popescu: talkin' in verses n speakin' in rhymes
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mircea_popescu: lol aite.
mircea_popescu: sa crew keeping the lid on him eh.
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Not with the Amir is incompetent angle, but the Amir is a perv angle
mircea_popescu: chetty: how they gonna train kids for things that haven't been invented yet? << maybe give up on the trainin' ? the greeks had the same problem, had solution : music, sport, grammar and logic. and fuck them.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i take it back, they prolly know the material, let 'em manage it. i can't be arsed to follow amir. whoever does, can call the shots.
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2015 12:01:22; cazalla: something is very fucking wrong when my broke ass opa who couldn't speak a word of fucking english managed to get a job in the steel works and pay off a house in 2 decades and raise 6 kids in the 1950s... not even 2 adults working with 1 kid can do that today here
BingoBoingo: Inflation
mircea_popescu: nono, "easing'
BingoBoingo: sorry, relaxing and lubricaing
mircea_popescu: cazalla: sometimes i wish i never found this place, i wouldn;t know any fucking better, could've kept towing the line that this is how it's to be << famous words.
fluffypony: QUANTITATIVE easing
fluffypony: because that word makes it sound better
mircea_popescu: im bashing the shit outta cazalla lol.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony it has the crisp feel of SCIENCE
fluffypony: exactly
fluffypony: "scientists say quantitative easing is BETTER"
mircea_popescu: "give us your quality of life, have some quantity of stupid instead!"
fluffypony: "it's better because easing, like it makes your life easier"
mircea_popescu: "like remember that time you cut yourt cock off ? how easier peeing became ?"
asciilifeform: dulap!!
mircea_popescu: cazalla: such conflict << conflict is the stuff of life, man. an' how one resolves conflicts is what separates teh men from teh...
mircea_popescu: well whatever.
mircea_popescu: so im getting this supplier to invoice me in bitcoin, and they've been working on it, making their own btc accounting software an errything.
mircea_popescu: overnight, i get an email invoice 20 times. clearly, progress.
mircea_popescu: "cazalla: and the result? oh you are oppositional defiant, you have a conduct disorder" << waiot wut ?! how old are you after all
mircea_popescu: "oppositional defiant", the "disorder" of "we suck"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: you gotta remember Australia is a pioneer is "social sciences" ESL retardations. They pioneer these things for USia and Lower Britain.
mircea_popescu: so organised oppression of the 10% leadership ? very fucking smart.
BingoBoingo: Australia kind of led the way in developing "Outrage Fatigue"
mircea_popescu: !up Asenath
mircea_popescu: i had no idea.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "not under any circumstances payable in cash" << you live in the weirdest bubble.
Adlai: "scientists say quantitative easing is BETTER" << "turn your economy around with this one weird trick!", "anarchists HATE him!"
Adlai: +mircea_popescu | talkin' in verses n speakin' in rhymes << it's just https://xkcd.com/312/
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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: absentee landlord on opposite coast
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: deposit directly into their bank account?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: cash ?
ben_vulpes: sure, why not
ben_vulpes: that what you were going on about
asciilifeform: can do this at bank ?
asciilifeform: let's say you could. how do you prove you paid ?
ben_vulpes: (and re unsigned kexts: it's shitgnomes on shitgnomes. os x no longer runs unsigned kexts, the solution for which is to...distribute binaries)
mats: counter deposit receipt
ben_vulpes: receipt, trust.
Adlai: tlsnotary!
Adlai: which is basically "receipt", since you're still trusting the bank
Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> can do this at bank ? // that's the preferred way to trade at -otc
Apocalyptic: apparently at Chase you can no longer deposit into accounts you're not the holder of, but at other banks presumably this still works
ben_vulpes: that's rich.
ben_vulpes: the window is closing.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm not saying you won't *be* right, but in your quest to get out in front of how the world will be you're not looking at how the world is.
ben_vulpes: "doom gloom, the fascists know all" attitude keeps you doing what they want.
Adlai: a sufficiently paranoid populace needs no persecution
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: goes deeper than my superficial explanation suggests. i was really on about the difficulty of 'bitcoinizing' fundamentally fiat-wot-based business arrangements
asciilifeform: that is, say i had landlord who is paid in cash, and he decides that months's bag of money 'never happend'
asciilifeform: then what
ben_vulpes: sure. i'll read more thoroughly next time i'm a thousand lines behind.
ben_vulpes: granted, a problem.
asciilifeform: it works if we were both, say, italians, where 'it isn't done', or if i were part of an ethonmafia that will cause him problems in the event of raw deal
asciilifeform: but neither applies
ben_vulpes: but one of the wot, no?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> let's say you could. how do you prove you paid ? << don't be silly, this is a triviality.
asciilifeform: *ethnomafia
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: every problem is a triviality to folks who can't even conceive of having it
asciilifeform: on account of weight class
mircea_popescu: but the notion that you can't make payments... i mean ? just too weird.
mircea_popescu: you do get a receipt for the txn
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you probably knew this, but large (how large is 'large' varies based on the day's 'terrorism thermometer') cash tx in u.s. banks require id and are reported
mircea_popescu: well yes.
asciilifeform: so that defeats the purpose of the exercise of using cash.
asciilifeform: as was meant to
mircea_popescu: it won't be possible for you to anonymously send cash to some guy you don't know. necessarily.
mircea_popescu: but you are, phyusically, using the cahs.
punkman: I've never paid rent not in cash :P
asciilifeform: then same as cutting a cheque
asciilifeform: or sending a wire
mircea_popescu: see, you're equivocating. one purpose of using cash is anonymity. ANOTHER pourpose is to just get rid of the plutonium crate.
mircea_popescu: these aren't the same.
asciilifeform: in that 'usg knows you had $xxxx that day in your pocket'
asciilifeform: 'get rid of' in the sense of 'make use of without giving half of it to usg'
mircea_popescu: exactl.y
asciilifeform: or getting on lists
mircea_popescu: ah, well, there's more angles to the problem. you need a good tax attorney, a llc structure, etc etc.
asciilifeform: suddenly it costs $100k to move $100k
asciilifeform: what if you only have 10.
mircea_popescu: no, it costs 100k to have the infrastructure in place.
mircea_popescu: like you know ddr2 ? must meet min speed ?
asciilifeform: granted.
asciilifeform: but everyone already knew that the problem, after a certain scale, is solvable
mircea_popescu: investing in this infrastructure is 3 or more degrees of magnitude more valuable than investing in college for you your kid your slave your dog.
mircea_popescu: yet MILLIONS do the latter. do not tell me it is impossible.
mircea_popescu: it is unwilled, but that is entirely for silly reasons.
asciilifeform: millions do the latter << heavily subsidized by usg
mircea_popescu: nevertheless.
asciilifeform: for instance, i pay ~1.5x - 2x per sq. metre of housing than my colleagues
asciilifeform: on account of rent not being a tax-deductible item in usa
mircea_popescu: it is in fact a rehash of the "i can't run bitcoin on linux because i have windows"
asciilifeform: (while debt slavery - is)
mircea_popescu: buy a corp with debt.,
mircea_popescu: rent as the corp.
asciilifeform: this is a 'must be this tall to play' affair, as described above
asciilifeform: need the infrastructure
mircea_popescu: yes. like not running windows, it's a "this tall to play" affair.
mircea_popescu: you will notice that we fall on this matter as follows : you're significantly more stringent than me on one score, and significantly laxer than me on the other.
asciilifeform: except that linux is free (yeah, aha, 'if your time has no value' - well guess what, mine - didn't - as a student)
mircea_popescu: this alone should be prima facie evidence i'm actually right.
mircea_popescu: not clear ?
asciilifeform: afraid not
asciilifeform: so far i don't disagree - the problem i described could indeed be magicked away entirely and semi-permanently by judicious application of ~100k usd
mircea_popescu: person presents with complaint "i can not correctly use bitcoin because im on windows". on a scale of -10 to +10, where -10 is "that's ok, you shoulsd use windows" and 10 is "fuck you get off windows anywhay right now no mattert the cost" you average about a -8, i about a -1
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mircea_popescu: other person presents with complaint "i can not correctly use bitcoin because i'm on bezzle". you average +8, i average the same -1.
mircea_popescu: this divergence suggests you're wrong.
mircea_popescu: s/-1/+1/ apparently numbers are hard and signs harder.
asciilifeform: see, linux is free if you had the upbringing, but 100k might as well be 100kg of plutonium as far as i'm concerned
mircea_popescu: you are mixing concepts.
asciilifeform: hence the difference
mircea_popescu: how convenient something is can not be a part of discussing what to do
mircea_popescu: it can only be considered once what to do is established, and the discussion moves on to how to do it.
asciilifeform: how physically feasible something is, must be included
mircea_popescu: just as long as it's not a re-dressed convenience argument.
mircea_popescu: there's no physics law against sanity, yet.
asciilifeform: what'd be the 'sanity' ?
mircea_popescu: obviously, i'm a great student of the mouse school of jar handling.
asciilifeform: if it costs 100k to be let out of asylum and not have the thorazine injected daily, should we still think of the sanity in the usual sense of the word ?
mircea_popescu: well nao, i'll have to think about that.
asciilifeform is one of the numerous mice on parade here in #b-a who go 'thchwack' against the glass daily
mircea_popescu: this is true.
asciilifeform: but to tell mouse that there is no glass, and it is only a figment of his perceptions, is an odd thing imho
mircea_popescu: well this case more closely resembles teh trained electric fence thing
asciilifeform: or to tell him that in the garden shed where his jar stands, in a toolchest there is a glass-cutter.
mircea_popescu: haha pretty good
mircea_popescu: but i still dun think it's a fair eval.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27577 @ 0.00039825 = 10.9825 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: the mouse is a perfect analogy here, because his efforts at glass-breaking are not in any way cumulative
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23503 @ 0.00038325 = 9.0075 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: he'd have to live for ten thousand years in the jar to make so much as a visible mark in the glass.
chetty: but from the outside he could get the glass cutter and do some damage :P
asciilifeform: with teleporter ?
Adlai: ... and the jar's floor is a treadmill, each shelf's mills singing a parallel circuit to power the shed's dingy incandescent
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00037076 = 7.6006 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: fucking uncle sam wanting more and more taxes
thestringpuller: i realize paying taxes is so futile with our insatiable defecit
thestringpuller: letz borrow monies 4 gunz plz
asciilifeform: cazalla: no, but the cost of electricity, gas and others under the idea of global warming and taxes [and rest of that thread] << if it makes ya feel better - far worse in usa. i, for instance, know for a fact that i will never own any lands here.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: in other news, i got netbsd ramdisk to build.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, jurov, mircea_popescu, et al ^^^
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: neat!
ben_vulpes: for the ignoramuses like myself, how does the ramdisk figure into the pop project?
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2015 17:53:11; ascii_field: danielpbarron: at present time there is no support whatoever for the eeprom in netbsd. this means that it can be used, but only if the userland (yes, all of it) is baked into a ramdisk baked into the kernel (which in turn is loaded by uboot in one shot at powerup)
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2015 17:53:43; ascii_field: danielpbarron: the netbsd kernel and userland are sufficiently compact (vs linux) to make this a worthwhile exercise
ben_vulpes: ah so whole os running out of ram? loaded in...one shot at boot.
asciilifeform: this is SOP on very cheap routers with minimal, low-endurance eeprom
nubbins`: re: logs
asciilifeform: it is also a good approach because it forces all the crud to be expunged with hot iron
nubbins`: why do i get the impression that nobody wants to exit the hamster cage because the wheel and watering tube are really nice and convenient?
ben_vulpes: omg this channel is the most educational thing in my life
nubbins`: "i really wanna lose weight, but big macs are just so good and i gotta have 10 a day"
nubbins`: bunch of guys so wrapped up in bezzle trappings that they don't realize their cage door is wide open
ben_vulpes: yes i'm an idiot
ben_vulpes: i started a company
ben_vulpes: i now have obligations
ben_vulpes: da woist
asciilifeform: nubbins`: analogy fall apart easily enough if nudged: you can readily tell the glutton what he would have to do if he were to seize hold of himself and climb out of his fat with iron will
asciilifeform: nubbins`: why dontcha try telling us condemned fools the equivalent
asciilifeform: glutton: 'eat 1/10th, take up hard training'
asciilifeform , ben_vulpes, et al: ???
nubbins`: i don't /really/ think i need to tell you guys that tears are a necessary ingredient to un-fucking your situations
kakobrekla: nubbins` local pain minimum
asciilifeform: nubbins`: sure, but -what kind- of tears
nubbins`: fierce, bitter tears. as opposed to a dull, prolonged weeping.
asciilifeform: ^ zero information here
ben_vulpes: the only thing i can think to do is accumulate capital.
asciilifeform: what's the equivalent of the 'stop gluttony and exercise' here
ben_vulpes: "rocket"
nubbins`: asciilifeform: stop waste and save.
asciilifeform: but nubbins` is implying that rocket is unnecessary if iron will
nubbins`: sounds blithe, no?
ben_vulpes: move to argentina and do webdev remotely.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: this requires something to save and some waste to cut
ben_vulpes: now *that*s tears.
nubbins`: asciilifeform that's where the tears come in
kakobrekla: seems to me destination is getting further and further away also
nubbins`: you know i took a ninety per cent pay cut two years ago?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: elementary fact is that i can only keep my wot obligations (s.nsa) if i have present level of equipment and time
asciilifeform: and fiat income
kakobrekla: thats his excuse now.
nubbins`: unless you're leasing said equipment, don't you already have it?
asciilifeform: the most costly piece of equipment is time.
nubbins`: just so it's not glossed over, i said earlier that i took a 90% pay cut in 2013
nubbins`: and someone with a link to the stats can take a stab at how much time i spend dicking around on irc
nubbins`: how do you suppose i can manage this?
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asciilifeform: nubbins`: now that part's very easy, you don't need blocks of time to dick on irc
asciilifeform: a few seconds here and there are enough
nubbins`: sure.
nubbins`: consider the statement suitably modified
nubbins`: but what i'm saying is that while cutting one's income from a gross of ~$60k to a net of ~$6k necessarily involves severe lifestyle changes
asciilifeform: depends where 6k
nubbins`: it's not at all the grim spectre that all you guys think it is.
nubbins`: location?
nubbins`: my home cost just under a quarter-million for reference.
asciilifeform: 6k/yr probably buys you a harem in, e.g., zimbabwe
asciilifeform: nubbins`: lol! 6k would not even pay the tax on such a thing here.
nubbins`: net 6k, i said 8)
asciilifeform: canuckistan ?
nubbins`: yeah, the socialist paradise. i get hit by a car, they fix me for free
nubbins`: anyway, i fill two empty bedrooms with like-minded individuals with schedules that suit me
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i pay ~700 usd/mo just for some distant approximation of that
nubbins`: mortgage: paid.
nubbins`: my wife and i collectively have to scrounge together about $400 per month to keep this house going
nubbins`: that's two hundred bucks each, per month. $7 a day.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: neat
nubbins`: i used to make that in 13 minutes at my old job
nubbins`: now it takes me a bit longer
asciilifeform: nubbins`: but to imply that everyone who is not in your position is necessarily a spendthrift who would be a winner but for the 'fatlogic' - is disingenuous
decimation: <asciilifeform> can do this at bank ? // that's the preferred way to trade at -otc < yes, most us banks will let you deposit anything into one of their accounts, no questions asked
nubbins`: but y'know what? i don't have to lie in bed every morning wondering whether i'll call in sick
decimation: for obvious reasons
nubbins`: asciilifeform far be it from me to say this is a cure-all
asciilifeform: decimation: i can believe this. but then you lose what small protection was provided by the fiat wot
nubbins`: all i'm saying is that one can surprise oneself
asciilifeform: decimation: as in, ability to prove that you paid
decimation: well, you can get a deposit receipt from the bank
asciilifeform: decimation: aha. then usg also has receipt
asciilifeform: decimation: see the clincher ?
ben_vulpes: and that's not a wot, that's a system.
decimation: yes, but not your identity
ben_vulpes: you're not using the wot unless you're trusting your counterparty.
decimation: although it was a large cash transaction I'm sure it would inspire a degree of interest
nubbins`: asciilifeform i sort of gloss over the fact that years of reading "mother earth news" before taking the plunge took most of the edge off it
nubbins`: but hey
nubbins`: what's a young anti-consumerist to do ;/
decimation: banking at any bank is banking with usg
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, decimation: the point that i was trying - and failing - to make, was that a fundamentally fiat-based business arrangement like renting a house from a fella on opposite end of continent who you've never met and never expect to meet, cannot be 'bitcoinized' in the sense of turning you loose from usg financial jail
nubbins`: bitcoin all the things
ben_vulpes: well duh it can't be bitcoinized - you don't know him and so cannot trust him.
asciilifeform: as for the inevitable question of what i must be smoking to have done this at all - it's a consequence of the geography in which i'm trapped (a handful of houses advertised for rent in my price range at any given moment - if that; the most tilted 'seller's market' one could imagine)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes has it
decimation: yeah it could be bitcoinized only in the special case that he is in your wot
nubbins`: ascii where's here, anyway
decimation: even if he was, the landlord has to pay his expenses in usd
asciilifeform: nubbins`: wash., d.c. region; usa.
nubbins`: o, fun
nubbins`: i guess?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: lol
asciilifeform: very 'fun'
nubbins`: heart of the beast
asciilifeform: nubbins`: literally 20 min. away from the classical nsa
nubbins`: i heard it smells like brimstone there
asciilifeform: more like the festering hell in 'hellraiser' than the traditional one
ben_vulpes: concrete and cars everywhere
asciilifeform: well, not here
asciilifeform does not live in the city limits
asciilifeform: closer to university of md.
ben_vulpes: classic 'suburbs'?
asciilifeform: funnily enough, mostly bolivia, salvador, argentina folks here.
ben_vulpes: dead end streets and all?
ben_vulpes: interesting.
ben_vulpes: why would that be?
asciilifeform: self-fulfilling-loop involving prices
nubbins`: well, if nothing else, i get the scarce rental market thing
punkman: asciilifeform: if punkman had factory in china, would you come rent floor space in bitcoin?
nubbins`: this place was below 1% vacancy for quite a time
decimation: yeah northeast dc is overrun with salvadorians
ben_vulpes did not parse the loop construct
nubbins`: my last rental before purchasing had -- literally -- a mold room
asciilifeform: punkman: if i had an income denominated in btc, sure
decimation once went to the guatamala v. salvador match in rfk stadium - the entire place was full to the rafters
punkman: asciilifeform: well you'd have to move, so no more usd job
asciilifeform: punkman: i ain't breathing vacuum
asciilifeform: nubbins`: scarce rental market thing << you don't know half of it. virtually unheard of to rent a house here, other than by gigantic groups of immigrants or students living like sardines in can
decimation: actually in most 'modern' us developments it is against the hoa rules to have more than one family - sometimes even roommates - living there
asciilifeform: decimation: aha. this contributes to the scarcity of the overall market
asciilifeform: because individual renting house is almost entirely unheard of
asciilifeform: so i pay a 'weirdo tax'
asciilifeform: as does anybody who does a 'crazy' thing for which the market is ultra-thin
decimation: actually there are plenty of single-payer rentals around your area
decimation: they just pay with usg fiat
asciilifeform: well yes
asciilifeform: everybody pays with fiat
decimation: I mean usg housing allowance
asciilifeform: for free-standing building ?
decimation: oh yeah
asciilifeform: not so common
decimation: read this and be amazed
assbot: 2015 D.C. BAH (Basic Allowance Housing) Rates by MHA | Military Benefits ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1peDy )
asciilifeform: aha army officers
decimation: not just officers
decimation: even a lowly E-1 rates $2140 per month with dependents
decimation: as you can imagine, this sets a 'floor' in the market
asciilifeform: and then mircea_popescu asks why these folks don't buy one way tickets and join 'isis'
asciilifeform: because wtf, why.
asciilifeform: they're rolling in the dough.
decimation: I had a friend in the wash dc area that calculated an O3 officer (roughly BS degree plus 5 years experience) makes about $140k in wash dc
asciilifeform: no great surprise.
ben_vulpes: i imagine most of that gets hoovered into rentier pockets.
asciilifeform: this doesn't include private 'consulting' gigs, also, which many of these folks take part in
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: of course it does
decimation: ben_vulpes: yes, the deal with the housing is this: you get the full amount I quoted tax free
decimation: whatever you don't spend on housing you pocket
ben_vulpes: rightous.
ben_vulpes: righteous*
decimation: unless you live on base, in which case you get nothing
asciilifeform: this actually explains quite a bit
decimation: maybe mats can confirm if he's around
mats: you get paid to live off base if you're E-5
decimation: the whole business works out to be a backdoor gov't subsidy for the real estate bezzle near bases
mats: folks are encouraged to get married so they can eat fo free
mats: BAH for E-5 iirc is like... 35k alone?
mats: (basic allowance for housing)
mats: might be 20, i never made it to E-5.
asciilifeform: decimation: iirc, usg also automatically buys the house at bezzle-planned rate if you get relocation orders
asciilifeform: further propping up the faux market
decimation: $2286 per month for e5 with family
decimation: yes that's a separate program, but they will buy your house at 'prevailing rates'
decimation: and cover closing costs I think
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: buys house they're moving out of or moving into?
mats: being an ossifer is good shit if you can live with the job
decimation: moving out
ben_vulpes: w-w-why
asciilifeform: because they move you
decimation: now, I think there are well over 200k of military in your area ascii
decimation: so imagine what that alone does to the local real estate bezzle...
ben_vulpes: oh wait the subsidy is for your *mortgage* not your *rent*
asciilifeform: decimation: not only ordinary ones, but heavy on brass
decimation: yeah that's roughly 1/2 to one billion $ per year in your area alone, usg paid rent
asciilifeform: then factor in the 'white men need not apply' subsidized housing from the other half of usg
asciilifeform: and what's left is a very thin slice.
decimation: yes, the section 8-A rent subsidy too
decimation: well, the better way to think about it is that there are well over $1 bil bidding up the prices
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decimation: and that's before you count anyone who is trying to live on salary from an employer
asciilifeform: plus the $xxx bil of tax deduction subsidies for the mortgage racket as a class
asciilifeform: (which renters get none whatsoever of)
decimation: yes, that's a massive real estate scam
decimation: the bottom line is that all of this inflates the real estate asset bubble
decimation: which can levitate to whatever degree usg chooses, as long as it keeps these pipes flowing
decimation: asciilifeform: do you have a favorite 'static code analysis' tool? or do you eschew all such automation in favor of 'fits in head'?
asciilifeform: decimation: code analysis ?
asciilifeform: as in 'lint' ?
decimation: for instance, you mentioned the 'cert c' standard yesterday
decimation: I think there are tools sold to evaluate compliance with that standard
asciilifeform: that thing was largely about how to write (or, more correctly, -not to write-) in the first place
asciilifeform: and yes, there are such things. i have no personal experience with them.
decimation: it seems with a pl like ada, it mostly comes 'built-in'
asciilifeform: built in to a degree that folks who have never seen it, cannot possibly apprehend.
asciilifeform: this is why the 'safe c' experiments never really went anywhere
asciilifeform: because that market is already thoroughly owned by the ada folks
decimation: yeah it seems like a waste of time trying to turn the c-dialect of algol into the ada dialect
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asciilifeform: decimation: notice how 'cyclone' never remotely caught on, etc
asciilifeform: because the fate of ugly chimeras is to sit in a circus
asciilifeform: not on the street near respectable people
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decimation: asciilifeform: speaking of which: https://github.com/sellout/CL-LLVM
assbot: sellout/CL-LLVM · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1tMcU )
asciilifeform: ^ mega-lol
decimation: asciilifeform: or this http://compcert.inria.fr/ < it's a 'formally verified' C compiler
assbot: CompCert - Main page ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1ubw3 )
decimation: I downloaded and used, and found it immediately failed to compile anything that included gnu C extensions
asciilifeform: decimation: i honestly can't say i'm at all interested in 'formally verified' proggy
asciilifeform: (to learn why - see log)
asciilifeform: even if it worked.
asciilifeform: unlike ada, it is not actually possible to program in c -as standardized-
decimation: yeah I have read. what I don't understand is why anyone would think that the compiler is the weak link in the C software stack
asciilifeform: because ken thompson
decimation: ah, he's one of the new jersey folks?
asciilifeform: everyone obsesses over 'sexy' traps while ignoring rusty old spikes that are everywhere
asciilifeform: decimation: 'reflections on trusting trust'
asciilifeform: !s trusting trust
assbot: 10 results for 'trusting trust' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=trusting+trust
cazalla: i think i need a keyboard fitted with a breathalyzer
decimation: yeah you have linked before
asciilifeform: one of the most well-known experiments in the entire field
asciilifeform: i was genuinely floored when learned for the fist time that there are folks using a computer who have never so much as vaguely heard of it
decimation: well, certainly it could be the case that the compiler is untrustworthy, but much higher on my list of concerns is that some combination of new-jersey syscalls I'm using in my code will stab me in the back
asciilifeform: almost guaranteed.
decimation: also the link that ben_vulpes dropped about feynman working at thinking machines was interesting. I didn't know he worked there
asciilifeform: it was his 'last hurrah'
asciilifeform: but iirc all that is publicly known about his work there, is in that piece.
decimation: yeah, it sounded to me like he was mostly helping to 'sell' the machines to academic types
decimation: as in 'sales engineer'
asciilifeform: iirc not a single such machine sold to anyone but usg or a directly usg-funded org.
asciilifeform: consider also that the 'connection machine' was not usable at all except as an expansion plug-in to a symbolics lispm
asciilifeform: yes, plugged into a jack in the back
decimation: heh that's amusing
danielpbarron: asciilifeform> danielpbarron: in other news, i got netbsd ramdisk to build. << yay! in related news, i got some links from a guy in #olimex who tackled this problem back in 2013; haven't checked it out yet / just got back from stocking up for the impending snow storm
asciilifeform: which problem
danielpbarron: the netbsd ramdisk thing
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: the trick is to run nbmake-evbarm from your TOOLS path, rather than nbmake
asciilifeform: this is not documented.
asciilifeform: then ramdisk gets built
asciilifeform: (the default one. still need to cut unnecessary crud from it)
asciilifeform: next problem is how to get it to automatically bake into the kernel .ub image during build.
decimation: lol apple https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=02202015a "Beginning May 1, 2015, new Mac apps and app updates submitted to the Mac App Store may no longer use garbage collection, which was deprecated in OS X Mountain Lion."
assbot: Mac Apps That Use Garbage Collection Must Move to ARC - News and Updates - Apple Developer ... ( http://bit.ly/17FUEBC )
assbot: Accused British hacker, wanted for crimes in US, won’t give up crypto keys | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/17FV9LU )
nubbins`: re: ramdisk awwwwww yeah!
nubbins`: asciilifeform this'll work on purple and blue units, yeah?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: in principle
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i'll just have it probe (and if doesn't find blockchain, format) the largest mass storage device found at boot
asciilifeform: on whatever interface
asciilifeform: in the purple unit, that'll necessarily be a usb drive
asciilifeform: on black pogo4 (what i have) - sata
ben_vulpes: hola trinque
asciilifeform: incidentally
asciilifeform: there's no reason why we can't do an x86 build of this
asciilifeform: 'bitcoinbios'
asciilifeform: rom-able a la 'corebios' (formerly 'linuxbios')
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danielpbarron: s/black/purple/ they are both black; one has blue logo, other has purple logo, which is removed with the cap that covers sata port
asciilifeform: for some reason i thought the question was about the 'pink pogo'
asciilifeform: which has a somewhat different shape, and no sata port
asciilifeform: it also (curiously) costs more
asciilifeform: but is more widely available
fluffypony: decimation: I don't get what's lol about that, .NET faces the same issue (as have many high-level abstractions / languages), whereby trying to force GC collections or modify GC behaviour invariably ends up being messy. Frankly, handing off to a reference counting system is way, way better than GC bullshit.
fluffypony: also their transition doc has a 2013 timestamp, so if developers have taken 2 years to cotton on to changes then wtf, they should choose a different career
fluffypony: API stability != complete API freeze forever, and the same goes for patterns and practices
asciilifeform: ahahaha no.
asciilifeform: fuck centrally imposed 'practices'
fluffypony: yes, let's all decentralise all of the things
fluffypony: fuck off
asciilifeform: i routinely build code from 20 yrs ago.
asciilifeform: and it runs.
fluffypony: you're amazing, asciilifeform
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
fluffypony: but your rhetoric is boring
asciilifeform: now it isn't on c/unix. that'd require magic tough
fluffypony: and your reliance on ancient is overdone
fluffypony: we get it
fluffypony: old is good, new is bad
fluffypony: but not all new is bad.
fluffypony: get over it.
asciilifeform: new can be a pleasure if done for some actual reason and not because a monkey changed the label on a knob
asciilifeform: requiring everyone to drop everything and 'get into compliance'
fluffypony: sure, GC -> ARC is changing the label on a knob
fluffypony: Apple is bad, Android is good
fluffypony: but GWBASIC is best.
fluffypony: etc. etc.
asciilifeform: gwbasic lol
fluffypony: the circlejerk gets old after a while
asciilifeform: android works in much the same way as apple's regime, iirc
asciilifeform not involved with either, cannot say for certain
asciilifeform: fluffypony: i can easily see how you might have arrived at this, but you must be ~111th one in a row to think that i like 'old' for sake of old
fluffypony: it was directed generally, not at you specifically
asciilifeform: but this is actually a popular hate mail subject
fluffypony: the rejection of every abstraction, every high-level language, simply because it makes things slightly easier
fluffypony: at the cost of X
asciilifeform: fluffypony: my particular favourite language (cl) is as high level as it gets.
asciilifeform: (short of chimeras in the vein of 'prolog' where anything you cook up is likely to be asking machine np-complete questions)
punkman: fluffypony: don't tell us you love systemd now :P
asciilifeform: now, i get it, damn-near everybody is stuck in his particular gulag. fluffypony, it appears, is sitting in barrack where what-happens-in-apple-os-matters. i'm in one where they use weird zimbabwe money. etc. but being in jail doesn't mean you have to -like- it and deny the existence of outside.
fluffypony loves Zimbabwe
fluffypony: pity about their moneyh
decimation: fluffypony: what about rhodesia?
decimation: my original 'lol' was because I see 'centrally imposed' memory management as worse than garbage collection
decimation: but it is understandable why apple would want it on their c-machines
fluffypony: my mum was born in the then-christened Rhodesia
asciilifeform: the 'centrally imposed' i was speaking of was the 'apple says -shit-, devs answer -what colour-' one
fluffypony: ah well
fluffypony: Linux is centrally controlled
decimation: the kernel is, yes
fluffypony: Linux says -shit-, everyone answers -what colour-
decimation: userland is trying to usurp it
asciilifeform: but how often linus commands 'shit'
asciilifeform: last time was in the 2.4 - 2.6 transition, really
decimation: he's getting kinda old and tired frankly
fluffypony: so Apple is saying -shit- about a language, and fuck, it's their language (inasmuch as they're the only ones still using it)
danielpbarron: my portugese speaking american samoan born connecticut raised friend apparently had an aunt that owned land in rodesia (phew what a mouth full)
decimation: fluffypony: apple has been pulling this kind of thing for decades
fluffypony: decimation: so it doesn't affect non-Apple-users
decimation: the world's greatest thing that solves all the problems becomes the 'deprecated feature' 3 years later
fluffypony: or non-Apple-developers
fluffypony: and the hate circlejerk is boring
decimation: fluffypony: well, no
fluffypony: hey I know, let's complain about how Coinbase is ruining Bitcoin with their centralisation!
fluffypony: that's not been done, right?
decimation: it's an interesting specimen for folks to study
fluffypony: it's fucking boring
asciilifeform: fluffypony: the pill against coinbase is precisely the same as the one against apple: 'don't do it'
fluffypony: asciilifeform: precisely, but *everyone in this room already knows*
fluffypony: it becomes a circlejerk when "preaching to the choir" devolves, and here we are
ben_vulpes: fluffypony: don't disturb the cult!
ben_vulpes: we must all sing in harmony.
ben_vulpes: shun the nonbeliever.
decimation wishes to shun nobody, but is somewhat mystified about how to discern between tidbits of data that relate to long-running discussions and 'boring' 'preaching to the choir'
ben_vulpes: dude ruby what the ever loving fuck
ben_vulpes: i am tempted to make a vm for this ruby project.
ben_vulpes: because seriously sudo install libs to system?
ben_vulpes: fuck off!
asciilifeform: in other news,
asciilifeform: netbsd on pogo.
asciilifeform: with arbitrary whatever in ramdisk.
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danielpbarron: i'm still trying to get that to work
decimation: asciilifeform: does this mean you installed on the pogo's nand flash?
jurov: remind me to revisit this back in 10 years ...whether fluffypony will still endorse such changes (or apple at all) by then
nubbins` prepares to cheer
nubbins`: apple? best bsd box i ever owned
nubbins` cackles shrilly
nubbins`: shrillishly?
nubbins`: shrillly definitely isn't right
jurov: til about the " fresh ready to eat" salads
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ben_vulpes: neat, mats
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mats: convention for fake food huh
ben_vulpes: decimation: thanks for the econtalk recommendation
decimation: yeah, the next episode he interviews taleb on gmos
decimation: actually the cargill guy was not super-pro gmo
decimation: I didn't even know cargill was the biggest private company in the us
decimation: "Guest: One, we could feed the world without GMOs; there are other practices that we could follow. So the idea that we are prisoners of this technology I think is something that should be dispelled. On the other hand, I don't think we should try that. I think if our water is precious, if our topsoil is precious, if we really care about the hydrocarbon footprint that we have in terms of the amount of cultivation that we need to carry
decimation: out, that we should think very carefully about eliminating or demonizing genetic engineering."
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danielpbarron: asciilifeform, is this the same documentation you've been looking at? -> http://www.netbsd.org/docs/kernel/porting_netbsd_arm_soc.html
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ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] it's really not hard to block. but domestic isps = blockheads. << hurr durr
mircea_popescu: you threatenin me ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: danielpbarron: in other news, i got netbsd ramdisk to build. << o hey wd. what was the catch ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: why do i get the impression [...] << because you're an asshole. just like me.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: just appreciating the pun
mircea_popescu: i need tp for my punhole.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: what's the equivalent of the 'stop gluttony and exercise' here << start dating whores.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: now *that*s tears. << i met a chick that quit her previous job, is learning to program in html nao.
mircea_popescu: but it's kinda complicated.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: you know i took a ninety per cent pay cut two years ago? << you actually made money at some point ?!
jurov: mircea_popescu: with due respect, are you sure asciilifeform can attract any federal-level whore?
mircea_popescu: but this is a quantitative discussion and he was making a qualitative challenge
mircea_popescu: "what type of thing".
jurov: you too mentioned obama daughters and so explicitly
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as i understand it, his chief complaint was, "no criminal empire footprint". easiest way to get into that, from memory, is dating the whores.
mircea_popescu: most common, of course, is spending some time in jail, but hey.
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jurov just remembered how it woks among fags. yes, mircea is right
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: what's a young anti-consumerist to do ;/ << shit look at that, "mother earth news" is actually a thing.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: good for her?
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ben_vulpes: kinda curious about the complexity
mircea_popescu: you know, for a cult this chan is one of the most diverse places in the world.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes direct quote. "but it's kinda complex"
mircea_popescu: i explained a little about the difference between imperative and notation, i think she got the gist.
ben_vulpes: hah yeah i mean you have to learn 3 different chodes at the same time
ben_vulpes: html, css and js
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mircea_popescu: js is sort-of imperative i guess.
mircea_popescu: kinda like c pigdin neh ?
mircea_popescu: but otherwise the css/html difference is not unlike the "food division" and "detergent division" difference at unilever.
mircea_popescu: not bad but why teh panties!
ben_vulpes: fish move
mats adds cattle prod to purchase list
mircea_popescu: stop objectifying women.
mircea_popescu: it's a cuntprod.
ben_vulpes: cunts are objects too
thestringpuller: that's hawt
thestringpuller: i can't stop watching this gif
mats: as a boy i found a guide for modifying a disposable camera into a single-use taser
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: this actually explains quite a bit << why did you think the pentagon spends so much.
mats: i used it on my buddy and he shit himself. one of my fonder memories of childhood.
mircea_popescu: mats the flash ?
mats: ever since, i've wanted to buy a taser, but modern things have tags now
mats: yeah
mircea_popescu: you can basically build a taser out of a battery and a capacitor
mircea_popescu: whioch means, "Any old tv set"
ben_vulpes: conveniently packaged in disposable cameras!
mats: i've never given any thought to building one
mircea_popescu: mats: folks are encouraged to get married so they can eat fo free << which is how the dependopopotami are born. "i don't care about the chick but i gotta be married for money so w/e"
mats: although its a reasonable segue into building other toys ... like shock gloves for bum fights
thestringpuller: lol shock gloves!
mats adds it to the list
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mats: ya i know
mats: i'm a fan
thestringpuller: mats: mah nigga
mats: i'm yellow on the outside and black on the inside
thestringpuller: chocolate twinkie?
mircea_popescu: "tricare, formerly known as chump-us"
mats: i've been on the search my whole life for a proper descriptor
mircea_popescu: mats you mean yellow as in azn ?
mats: yes. surprise!
mircea_popescu: do you agree with that fat fag's evaluation that no women ever date azns ?
mats: uh
mats: no
mats: certainly, asians are undersexualized in e.g. US media, but i haven't had problems picking up white women
mircea_popescu: myeah. BUT HE HAD STATISTICS
thestringpuller: what's with the US and the pursuit of bwg (basic white girl)?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller if you look at the demos, it's the most common item on menu.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: over there with all the brazillian hotties.
mircea_popescu: like salmon at the seafood restaurant
thestringpuller: most highly sexual girls I've met spoke portuguese as a first language
mats: i prefer 'bwg' over 'abg' (asian baby girl)
mircea_popescu: i think anyone under 55 or so does.
mircea_popescu: i don't think*
mats: !ud ABG
mircea_popescu: or wait. no, it was right the first time
mats: ;;ud ABG
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ABG | An acronym for an "aznbbygirl" meaning an asian female gangster. ABG's like to hang with gangsters and wear thin (slutty) clothing. They like to ju...
thestringpuller: aren't ABG's over sexualized?
mircea_popescu: gangster ?!
mircea_popescu: somebody was having a tough time in class.
mats: thestringpuller: hows that?
mats: maybe we're exposed to different media, but i don't see it
thestringpuller: ah, always thinking of the ABG's in high school/early college who would hang out with negros
thestringpuller: lots of make up, skimpy clothes
thestringpuller: "rumors" from the guys (note how I said "rumors")
mircea_popescu: aren't skimpy/no clothes mandatory in college anyway ?
mats: i mean, asian women are hypersexualized in p much the same way as black dudes in media
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: although it is the most common item on the menu, there is still some "allure" as a minority "banging one out"
mats: i've read a few things here and there about 'the white man's asian fetish' and 'the hyper-femininity of the asian woman'
mircea_popescu: i dunno... i kinda aren't attracted to other types, by and large. i assume it's similar across cultures.
thestringpuller: i guess the media portrayal of the sorority bwg places a false imagination
mircea_popescu: where's this depicted in media ?
mircea_popescu: but this is specific softcore/exploitation. in comes in all color schemes neh ?
mircea_popescu: i guess for black girls it's mostly rap videos and derivative material.
mircea_popescu: grossed 30mn over a 5mn budget. not exactly a killer anyway.
mircea_popescu: "I cannot speak to the contents," he told Ars via online chat. "Except that they are mine. This is the only salient detail as far as I'm concerned. I am not on trial, nor is my data, and I am under no obligation to speak for it. But my property is being withheld from me, and that must be justified. The current justification is due to the inability of the NCA to understand certain data. It remains for them to establish
mircea_popescu: why this is my problem and for the court to decide if this gives them authority to convert chattel."
mircea_popescu: ha! this Lauri Love dude got it right.
mircea_popescu: "As a matter of policy, we generally do not comment on extradition-related matters."
mircea_popescu: herp. as if fucking policy matters.
mircea_popescu: "as a matter of policy, we don't comment on rape cases" should be the new rape trial defense.
mircea_popescu: because POLICY. it's a reason now.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i guess for black girls it's mostly rap videos << hmm perhaps American media just blinds one to the broader cultural spectrum
mircea_popescu: "You have no idea how much we can fuck with the US government if we wanted to," Love told a hacking colleague in one exchange over Internet relay chat, prosecutors alleged. "This... stuff is really sensitive. It's basically every piece of information you'd need to do full identity theft on any employee or contractor" for the hacked agency.
mircea_popescu: this, for the record, is exactly correct.
mircea_popescu: any single usg employee's security, in all respects, continues at the MERCY of unidentified party. in no sense and in no manner does it flow from usg-anything.
mircea_popescu: you're still there, your house is still there, your family is still there because we can't be bothered to take them away. that's all.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: Frankly, handing off to a reference counting system <<< "One day a student came to Moon and said: I understand how to make a better garbage collector. We must keep a reference count of the pointers to each cons. Moon patiently told the student the following story: One day a student came to Moon and said: I understand how to make a better garbage collector..."
mircea_popescu: but sure, it'd be great if it worked.
mircea_popescu: wow lol, that log bit got pretty intense huh.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: now, i get it, damn-near everybody is stuck in his particular gulag. << hey, you made your bed for yourself here :D lie in it! he can't get out because he can't get out, what more do you want ? :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: but how often linus commands 'shit' << an argument of an entirely different consistency hehehe
mircea_popescu: man i miss out on the best logs.
mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/9af3649f763191c778bc1eee6fbf4909/tumblr_ngzbtp8QvJ1trst71o1_400.jpg << this is an illustration on the fertile juicy ideas i miss out on and so forth.
asciilifeform: ^ that looks industrial
mircea_popescu: decimation: he's getting kinda old and tired frankly << yeah we should have a linus retierment betting pool
asciilifeform: most common, of course, is spending some time in jail, but hey << workin' on that
asciilifeform: at least jail's free (for now)
mircea_popescu: only if you go there lawfully. otherwise you have to pay.
asciilifeform: disposable camera into a single-use taser << why single use. charge cap again, again. who here -hasn't- done this?!
asciilifeform: battery and a capacitor << mircea_popescu has it
mircea_popescu: no i don't. i used to, but then my mother threw a shitfit once she realised why her aunt's entire chicken population was dizzy
mircea_popescu: so they BURIED IT. somewhere. i was in the fucking sticks. couldn't get another one for coupla weeks, until back to town, at which point...
mircea_popescu: no chickens.
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mircea_popescu: decimation: out, that we should think very carefully about eliminating or demonizing genetic engineering." << to a large degree, the debate is sorely misstated. nobody is seriously discussing "genetic engineering". what's being discussed is, "let's make random combinations of genetic material we do not at all understand and see what happens. this will necessarily result in novel/ununderstood proteins and other hydrocar
mircea_popescu: bons being synthetised. the plan kingdom is, historically, the largest producer of poisons on the planet and to a large degree a controller of animal population counts and animal species survival rates, which is why you even need a liver in the first place - notice that your imune system doens't REALLY have an organ (thymus, w/e)." this is not "genetic engineering", this is chromogambling.
mircea_popescu: and yes i typed all that in the box!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: by and large, nothing interesting (not even new poison!) happens if you mutate at random.
mircea_popescu: i can readily live with a complete demonization of chromogambling. it would not do anything, in my head, to either engineering or genetics.
thestringpuller: I wish I was one of those black guys :(
asciilifeform: that style of 'engineering' is 1940s state of the art
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the substantial difference between ENGINEERING and GAMBLING is important here
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asciilifeform: when folks would 'let that thing eat gamma until almost dead, then plant it'
asciilifeform: who and where is still doing this, i cannot say
mircea_popescu: how do you think the gmo stuff is made ? same principle, different lego blocks
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller why ? and if so, join some swinger's club.
mircea_popescu: do tell.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: why? << Maybe subconciously I fetishize white girls? I honestly don't know.
asciilifeform: not same principle. snippets of synthetic nucleic acid are used, it goes (or more often, doesn't..) to a specific place, there is a (usually bad) protein model to predict effect, etc.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller move to wash dc, put up craigslist "Black man looking to humiliate married white women. Husband may be included.". watch how you make more money than alf.
asciilifeform: by and large none of it works
asciilifeform: roi - terrible
asciilifeform: that's the 'big secret', really
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suppose a better framed debate would then be this exactly, as above. "is this engineering or is it just dumbery"
asciilifeform: it's approximately how software 'engineering' is done now
asciilifeform: check back on it in a decade, they'll look rather similar
mircea_popescu: to nobody's credit.
asciilifeform: these two 'engineerings'
mircea_popescu: at least software has the excuse it takes any retarded kid.
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asciilifeform: any single usg employee's security, in all respects, continues at the MERCY of unidentified party. in no sense and in no manner does it flow from usg-anything << to be fair, the very reason why 'identity theft' is a real problem for anybody is usg
asciilifeform: why is it possible to borrow $maxint in mr. chump's name without his pgp key
mircea_popescu: you know you WILL end up having to come up with "the only reason sun raises in the morning is usg" at some point
mircea_popescu: the way you're going.
asciilifeform: how is the above picture mistaken
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assbot: Logged on 06-02-2015 03:02:19; *: asciilifeform once worked with a nearly-penniless foreign postdoc whose departure from usa was hastened by some bureaucrat (who handled his papers) deciding to... buy a house in his name
mircea_popescu: it holds the same logical strength as "the very reason why 'identity theft' is a real problem for anybody is that women are whores"
mircea_popescu: there may be some relation even, and some factuality to the claim and existence to the group. nevertheless...
asciilifeform: is it possible for someone to steal the identity of mircea_popescu? if not, why not ?
mircea_popescu: depends where.
asciilifeform: anywhere it matters
mircea_popescu: im sure all sorts of romanian kids claim to know me for their own circle ?
mircea_popescu: im sure all sorts of adults tell stories that happened to me as if - them.
asciilifeform: but none of this is so much as a mild annoyance in Castle Mircea_popescustein proper
asciilifeform: sooo >> usg could mandate pgp for letters of credit just as easily as it mandates the garbage we see today
asciilifeform: but doesn't
mircea_popescu: how do you know this /
mircea_popescu: could the roman empire have mandated its legions wear the fucking scutum, pilum and thorax ?
mircea_popescu: "ow but your majesty, shit's heavy"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu suggests that such an order would not be obeyed? probably true
mircea_popescu: i merely am pointing out that your jumps go over lenghty stretches of weak bridging
asciilifeform: interestingly, hitler's 'table talk' contains a few instances of whining that he'd like xxxxx but the orders don't get carried out
mircea_popescu: what, by 1945 there's nothing BUT that.
asciilifeform: well yes
mircea_popescu: das war ein befehl!
asciilifeform: but long prior
mircea_popescu: wer sind sie eigentlich, dass sie einen befehl, den ich gebe, zu missachten wagen!!??!?!!!?! etc
thestringpuller: "U.S. NIH spends ~30b annually to found research. However, many resulting papers are NOT repeatable In my merely 8 years experience in academia, I believe >50% papers are not repeatable especially those claiming therapeutic effects.
asciilifeform: ^ anyone -not- recognize source ?
thestringpuller: We all know the reason : Disproving or confirming others finding won't get you very far in a scientific career. One needs to have novel finding to get published in Nature , Cell or Science, which are powerful tickets for next round of NIH funding. Because research resources are scarce, no scientists can survive by examining others papers. Therefore, faking a cute and novel discovery is effective to survive the academia with min
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller incidentally, exactly how teh neanderthal got wiped out.
mircea_popescu: cro cutegnon.
mircea_popescu: "There are no homeopathic automobile repair shops, that try to repair your car by putting infinitesimal dilutions of rust in the gas tank. There are no automotive faith healers, who lay their hands on the hood and pray."
asciilifeform: ^ true at time of writing
mircea_popescu: this, fwiw, is patently false. even now is being advertised a device which, iof placed on tank, will make the car not use fuel.
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mircea_popescu: and always was there.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i do recall this, now that you mentioned it
mircea_popescu: cazalla fwiw, exactly nothing in ro press re voxility srl.
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cazalla: seems a bit suss he would say he is unsure what happened with the servers but is already moving forward to relaunch
cazalla: prob has an idea but he didn't speculate further anyway
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/10/kerouacs_on_the_road.html << did i say what a fucking great review this is ?
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mircea_popescu: The entire spirit of the book can be summarized by Dean's words: "Sal, think of it, we'll dig Denver together...!" That's what a man who is trying to con a woman into running off with him would say. Denver, really?? Really? Why? Because it starts with D? I'd at least momentarily entertain the theory that D cities are great places to get to, but the real reason he wants to get to Denver, or anywhere else, is preci
mircea_popescu: sely because the longer he stays in any one place, the better chance he'll be discovered to be a loser. Time to go where the grass is greener, somewhere people don't know you're there to crap on it.
asciilifeform realized that he built the fscking netbsd -installer- into the eeprom
asciilifeform proceeded to stuff in a drive and... fire it
asciilifeform: (why do i need a conventional install? because want to test my attempt at driver for the nand as a kernel mod)
asciilifeform: having actual support for the nand would make it possible to eliminate the 'ramdisk' and shave a few MB off the memory footprint.
asciilifeform read that tlp article, wakes up to having known precisely the type of animal described therein - in real life
mircea_popescu: sure. plenty of 'em.
trinque: I might've gotten past the first chapter of that book
trinque: certainly not the second
asciilifeform: butugychag.
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cazalla: mike_c, did you transcribe that?
decimation: asciilifeform: so you are still using the u-boot copy-to-ramdisk method if you don't have a driver for the eeprom?
asciilifeform: decimation: at the moment, yes
decimation: ah, still it's neat that you got it working
asciilifeform: decimation: i forget if mentioned earlier: got the whole build to work
asciilifeform: for what it's worth
decimation: yeah you mentioned
decimation find this to be a good reason to buy a pogo and play along
danielpbarron: how can i repeat this? i'm stuck on your last tip about something in a TOOLS directory
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: i will post a patch to the netbsd src tree
asciilifeform: that results in a netbsd.ub which can be used straight
asciilifeform: basically, used like this,
asciilifeform: flash_erase /dev/mtd4 0 0
asciilifeform: nandwrite -p /dev/mtd4 netbsd.ub
asciilifeform: fw_setenv boot_bsd 'nand read.e 0x800000 0x1000000 0xc00000; bootm 0x800000'
asciilifeform: then you halt uboot on the next powerup and 'run boot_bsd'
asciilifeform: (for manual testing, can make this default behaviour if want)
asciilifeform: the 0xc00000 is a round number here, you want it to encompass your binary's size
asciilifeform: (i just eyeballed it)
danielpbarron: is halting uboot something i'd need the serial thing for?
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asciilifeform: ideally
asciilifeform: unless you have it configured to do the udp console thing
asciilifeform forgot that not everyone's pogo has the serial jack
decimation: asciilifeform: it would go nicely with an old-timey ibm serial terminal :)
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asciilifeform: i will not sign this. if it annihilates your home planet, i am not responsible.
asciilifeform: use as described above. will boot into a netbsd installer.
asciilifeform: can find binary sets for arm at http://ftp.twaren.net/NetBSD/NetBSD-6.1.5/evbarm/binary/sets or your local sets build
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asciilifeform: (throw it up on ftp on your own box)
asciilifeform: the only conceivable use of the above sample is to demonstrate that netbsd will function correctly on 'pogo'.
asciilifeform: and possibly in case someone wishes to install on larger disk and boot from it, for purposes of dev work.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, jurov, mircea_popescu, et al ^^^
mike_c: cazalla: yeah. i hate watching videos. figured i'd spare others the pain.
asciilifeform: i have demonstrated that netbsd kernel (of my custom trimmed build) will correctly init the periphs on pogo
asciilifeform: for whatever that's worth.
asciilifeform: will post patch set once i can be bothered to crap one out
cazalla: mike_c, k thanks, i tossed it into the article in blockquotes
asciilifeform: i possibly ought to discuss the constants
asciilifeform: the 0x1000000 is the offset of the default mtd4 eeprom partition
asciilifeform: if you monkeyed with your pogo's mtd mappings, you will have to recalculate
asciilifeform: (the value is simply the sum of the lengths of mtd0..3, naturally, and these numbers are available in the uboot console if that's all you've got)
asciilifeform: incidentally it is possible to write the eeprom from uboot (you gotta pump in the new payloads via tftp in that case, but you save time by not needing to wait for an os - such as the terrifying bloat of systemdized-archlinux - to load)
asciilifeform: 0x800000 - if it wasn't obvious - is where uboot parks the kernel prior to jumping in
asciilifeform: don't change.
asciilifeform: that's really all.
asciilifeform: 'NetBSD: running on a dead squirrel in a cardboard box since '03'
asciilifeform: (srsly, there is an 'atari' port.)
asciilifeform: 1ad4391c46ab3520e9aaf8dce2d48d4788fd3752e93c70fabf0dc66f770628d835e764855ab933905a4152524b100358c82b27ca0471a77af02836740e9c41be piece_of_shit.tar.gz
asciilifeform: (sha512)
danielpbarron: can i ssh into this thing?
asciilifeform: bare bones.
asciilifeform: once you actually install netbsd with it on something else - sure
asciilifeform: posted here mainly as proof of concept.
asciilifeform: and everybody who is seriously dealing with this stuff ought to have at least one 'pogo' with serial jack.
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danielpbarron: what would you advise that i purchase?
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: a CP2102 or equivalent
asciilifeform: and, if you don't own one: soldering iron...
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asciilifeform: ubiquitous. should cost no more than a few bux
asciilifeform: plug into linux box, you get a /dev/ttyUSBx
asciilifeform: and ttl logic rx and tx on the other end of the hose.
asciilifeform: set to 115200 baud.
asciilifeform: (theoretically, default, don't have to set. but if your favourite term emu makes you set - then above)
asciilifeform uses 'gnu screen'
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asciilifeform: even appears to come with wires
danielpbarron: there was a cheaper one, but this one has more reviews
asciilifeform: behead'em and solder as pictured
asciilifeform: in earlier thread
asciilifeform: you need three leads, tx, rx, ground
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danielpbarron: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009GXEF8A/ << this one might not need soldering?
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asciilifeform: danielpbarron: -any- of them will need soldering
asciilifeform: because there is no connector inside the 'pogo'.
asciilifeform: only bare pads.
asciilifeform: they omitted it to save a penny.
asciilifeform: (not a wholly illogical thing to do, but annoying to us junkyard dogs)
asciilifeform: in unrelated nyooz,
asciilifeform: ''After careful consideration of the public and classified pleadings, the Court holds that Plaintiffs claims must be dismissed under the state secrets privilege because (1) privileged information is at the heart of Plaintiffs claims for discrimination on the basis of disability and race, hostile work environment and retaliation, (2) Defendants cannot defend this action without relying on privileged information, and (3) further
asciilifeform: litigation of Plaintiffs claims would present an unjustifiable risk of disclosure of classified information regarding (a) the identities of CIA officers and employees, (b) the job titles, duties, work assignments of Plaintiff and other covert employees, and the criteria and reasons for making the work assignments and employment decisions regarding them, (c) sources and methods used by covert employees, including operational t
asciilifeform: radecraft and the identity of human assets; (d) the targets and focus of CIA's intelligence collection and operations, and (e) the location of CIA covert facilities. Accordingly, the Court grants Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment'. Accordingly, IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment (Doc. 28) is GRANTED, and this action is DISMISSED without prejudice.'
asciilifeform: so for all those who were wondering re: the proverbial 'who is stronger? the elephant, or the whale ?'
asciilifeform: we have an answer.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: you will end up with something roughly like http://i.imgur.com/d2ivsPk.jpg?1
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danielpbarron: ordering a few of these things now; i needed to get some other stuff anyway / added to order
danielpbarron: !up adam_obrien
adam_obrien: Thanks danielpbarron
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danielpbarron: and nice job already getting in the WoT before joining :D
danielpbarron: or rather, registering with assbot / you're not in the WoT yet
decimation: asciilifeform: apparently the CIA has infinite leeway to do whatever it wants, as long is it can claim that some kind of secret is at stake
adam_obrien: Thats right. A friend of mine will up me later.
adam_obrien: I am registered with assbot and gribble
danielpbarron: who's your friend?
asciilifeform: decimation: just demonstrating that d1scr1m1n4t10n!!!111!! is not the root password to usg
adam_obrien: Not sure his username. He is the one that got me on here
danielpbarron: oh, i bet it's pete
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adam_obrien: It sure is :)
adam_obrien: Small world
danielpbarron: ding ding! :D
adam_obrien: Haha ding ding indeed! I have to run.
decimation: nah, the whole 'd1scr1m1n4t10n!!!111!!' has everything to do with the general divide & conqueror the kulaks program, and nothing to do with the exercise of actual power
adam_obrien: Glad everything is set up and verified! I had a whale of a time doing so
mircea_popescu: wait. adam_obrien ?
mircea_popescu: are you the obrien of 1984 fame ? :D
adam_obrien: Hhaha, I wish. Unfortunately I wasn't around then so it couldn't have been me
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mircea_popescu: mike_c whai u no gpg ?
adam_obrien: Thanks, again Daniel.
mike_c: gpg what?
mircea_popescu: the pastebin
mircea_popescu: google indexes that shit.
mike_c: i made it unlisted, but it will get the link from b-a log..
mike_c: yeah, my mistake.
mircea_popescu: no biggie. just needs repeating till ppl get in habit
decimation: adam_obrien: do you work for those bitcoin atm folks?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: this one might not need soldering? << really, it doesn't NEED soldering, you can just glue it in contact, with conductive paste, whatever.
adam_obrien: I own bitcoin solutions (www.btcsolutions.ca) we operate some Bitcoin ATMs as well as a margin trading platform
danielpbarron: i can get it soldered, i just thought that unit might have been a good fit for people without access to one
mircea_popescu: didn't the atms recently get shut down or is that a different country ?
adam_obrien: Hmmm. I haven't heard that. I think they are having issues in Russia. But in Canada everything is all good :)
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mircea_popescu: mebbe not.
decimation: do you have a relationship with those cavirtex guys?
adam_obrien: Ah - Quebec is on it's own. They operate by their own rules for some strange reason
adam_obrien: We are fully compliant with Fintrac (Canada's Fincen) and are operating under MSB license rules
adam_obrien: I don't. I have never liked cavirtex and haven't used them since there was other options
adam_obrien: I have to run here, if any of you need Bitcoin give me a ping adam@btcsolutions.ca
decimation: unfortunately it seems that here in the us there is much less clarity about how to be 'fully legal'
decimation: interesting it looks like they use this exchange https://www.quadrigacx.com/
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danielpbarron: asciilifeform, http://imgur.com/a/e2RWY << this is correct? or did you say it needed fixing?
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mod6: <+asciilifeform> danielpbarron: in other news, i got netbsd ramdisk to build. << great work! & thanks for posting a tarball.
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mike_c: btcalpha, never more than six months late. http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-qntr/
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mike_c: i'm a fan, but that stock price! idk.
thestringpuller: funny what a little demand will do to the price of something
danielpbarron: so write something!
mike_c: what, write another article saying what the price should be? I already did that.
thestringpuller: write an article for qntra
thestringpuller: to acquire shares
mike_c: oh
mike_c: yeah, i have.
mike_c: but i was more thinking i should borrow shares from a founder and short it.
danielpbarron: oh, hah
mike_c: maybe a bitbet would be interesting.
thestringpuller: if you can return my shares to me I'd loan some :P
mike_c: I don't think we'd have the same quantity or timeframe in mind.
thestringpuller: mike_c: you realize there aren't enough shares to push down the bids right now?
thestringpuller: "This brings the total shares issued to 158`788"
mike_c: yeah, i know
mike_c: a lot can change in a year. but i don't think there are enough shares in existence to make it worth it anyway. i mean, what, bingo maybe has 50k shares?
mircea_popescu: !up kyuupichan
mircea_popescu: mike_c 158k includes whole shebang, 50% are issued, i'd guess 20-30k more likely for either cazalla or bingo
mike_c: ;;calc 158000 / 6
gribble: 26333.3333333
mike_c: ^ that should just be what they have from being owners, no?
mircea_popescu: however, betting against qntra being worth w/e, 5 btc ? seems insanity.
mike_c: plus whatever they get for being authors
mircea_popescu: mike_c the 50% owner's chunk you can't acquire tho.
mike_c: ah, yeah. i'm not saying qntra is currently worth more than 45 btc.
mike_c: *isn't
mircea_popescu: anyway jurov may be able to write you a contract, seeing how he probably has a large chunk
mircea_popescu: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00028529 / 0.00028529 / 0.00028529 (22381 shares, 6.39 BTC), 30D: 0.000175 / 0.00025036 / 0.00028529 (50436 shares, 12.63 BTC)
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.00025036 * 158788
gribble: 39.75416368
mircea_popescu: 40ish, like 8k ?
thestringpuller: damn. where did all these bids come from?
mircea_popescu: pretty good support huh
mike_c: i'm saying the stock price is too high, not the market cap.
mike_c: it gets weird with qntra.
mircea_popescu: mike_c you can't be sayin that.
mircea_popescu: it's a nonsense statement, "mkt cap is fine, stock price too high"
mircea_popescu: moreover, ;;calc 0.00025036 * 250
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.00025036 * 250
gribble: 0.06259
mircea_popescu: too high as compared to what
thestringpuller: ^- wow so this is average price of qntra article?
thestringpuller: ;;calc 0.06259 * 245
gribble: 15.33455
thestringpuller: notbad.jpg
mike_c: too high as compared to the discounted future cash flow.
thestringpuller: you could say the same for changetip :P
mircea_popescu: heh, let him say it @fb lol
mircea_popescu: anyway, i suspek jurov is perhaps in the best position to write you a short of some kind.
thestringpuller: mike_c: do you not see stock price as measurement of "value of eyeballs watching"
mike_c: i see the stock price right now as one of two things.
mike_c: nevermind, i don't even want to get into it.
mircea_popescu: i dun think 8k buys one anything like a qntra, tbh.
mike_c: or a qntra.
mike_c: obviously, since you can't buy the company for 8k.
mircea_popescu: well, in the sense apple coudl buy russia
mike_c: all you can buy is a few shares. at an inflated price.
mike_c: geezus, my fucking blood pressure today.
mircea_popescu: lol wait, this is anger inducing /
mircea_popescu: dun mind me then, i was merely conversin'.
mike_c: who knows. lots of straws on the camel back today.
cazalla: mircea_popescu is right on that ball park figure
danielpbarron: i thought it seemed high too, but i'm not in a rush to sell my 204 shares, so...
mike_c: in a lot of public companies the market cap is related to what you could acquire the whole company for.
mircea_popescu: i think you at least theoreitcally could make a buyout offer.
mike_c: this is more and less true for different companies, but generally it's the ballpark.
mircea_popescu: obviously, management doesn't HAVE TO sell.
mike_c: yeah, but, buyer would have to hire bingo & cazalla to keep running it
mike_c: and pay writers
mircea_popescu: conceivably they could run it as it runs now, which brings us to the point :
mike_c: it's like a very early stage startup, you really can't just buy the whole thing yet because the founders are so critical
mircea_popescu: there's really no logical reason to buy it unless you got a better way to run it
mircea_popescu: ie, control and ownership are really separate concerns.
mircea_popescu: mike_c you wouldn't need to hire them specifically, but you would need someone. and as there's very few people outside of b-a with brains working worth two shits...
mike_c: this is the whole point, right? people tried to make news sites and they sucked.
mircea_popescu: kinda interesting discussion of value creation tbh.
mike_c: it's not like the domain is worth anything. so it is unbuyable, and the market cap is not related to its worth yet.
decimation: ;;isitdown qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is down
mike_c: hehe
mike_c: sell!
mircea_popescu: but your point seems self contradictory to me. on one hand, oh, this is irreplaceable, on the other, oh, this is not worth its market value
thestringpuller: and its down! haha
thestringpuller: it's had good uptime recently. despite being attacked.
thestringpuller: which is odd given it is a baby.
thestringpuller: "squelch the truth"
thestringpuller: !up adam_obrien
decimation: eh, something is worth exactly what its mutually agreed purchase price is
decimation: all else is speculation
mike_c: mircea_popescu: it's because you are thinking of what the company is worth, not a share. For many companies this is a simple calculation. not so for qntra.
mike_c: because dilution. for the next year, massive dilution.
decimation: mike_c: how would you evaluate the 'worth' of a company? ben graham?
decimation: well, I would assume that the policy of share dilution would end at some point, and would not approach infinity
mike_c: it doesn't approach infinity
mike_c: dilution drops off as a matter of %
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49100 @ 0.00036704 = 18.0217 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28850 @ 0.00036925 = 10.6529 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: so I was getting beer with Pierre_Rochard the other night, and got on the topic of off "blockchain solutions" in relation to derps wanting to buy coffee on blockchain. so eventually came to realization MPEx can do what Coinbase does but better. PUSH is free of charge, so in theory persons with MPEX accounts could make payment processing network with various bank thingies. they take derps money, put in mpex, and
thestringpuller: MPEx may one day allow redditards to buy coffee (and yes one day also pigs may fly)
mike_c: anyway, i'm a qntra fanboy for the record. g'nite all!
danielpbarron: and with cardano, they can do it safely from any internet cafe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14957 @ 0.00035807 = 5.3557 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: correct? << nononononono. 1) you want serial, not jtag 2) the jtag in my photo is wrong
danielpbarron: these are different things?
asciilifeform: entirely different
danielpbarron: i don't need jtag though, right?
asciilifeform: jtag is a protocol for directly reading/flipping bits in the cpu, eeprom, ram.
asciilifeform: it is very spiffy but you probably don't have the required machine to connect to it
asciilifeform: you want the serial.
danielpbarron: i should have something tuesday
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it doesn't NEED soldering, you can just glue it in contact, with conductive paste << Nnn-o. conductive glue is a -waste of time and money- unless you're making cheapo resistors
decimation: I bought my ttl-level serial/usb converter on ebay
mircea_popescu: ;;LATER TELL mike_c but logically a share can not be differently worth from mktcap/sharecount.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: this is like telling me that a dollar's not worth 1/100 of a hundred dollars.
asciilifeform: phriends don't let phriends conductive glue. it just sucks.
asciilifeform: (and if not today then tomorrow when room temp changes)
mircea_popescu: and for that matter... a) in fact qntra is set to have MUCH LESS dilution than absolutely ANY start-up.
decimation: the 'proper' solution would probably be to solder the 1mm pin headers you mention in your photos and then use a ribbon cable with pin-header plugs
mircea_popescu: the qntra dilution argument is similar to the bitcoin inflation argument, saying something like "bitcoin is set to inflate at a fixed rate, fiat currenciesa are not"
asciilifeform: mod6: thanks for posting a tarball << it contains a 12MB turd (mostly nulls) that can be booted to show that netbsd boots on pogo and diddles the network. that's all
mircea_popescu: this is true but misleading : in fact you know the fiats will inflate to all shit. and you know start-ups will dilute to all shit. in absolutely no proportion to "Words added" or any other sort of metric.
mircea_popescu: pity he left.
decimation: re: qntra > I guess my thinking is that he is using pretty speculative thinking about the rate of dilution, who knows how management is going to act in the future
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller this theory is in fact long standing practice, it's just that the derps filling up the www with their words don't know what they don't know
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ...there's very few people outside of b-a with brains working worth two shits... << l0l! or were you just thinking of the 'non-marginal' folks who don't 'depend on paycheques'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he's making a poc, for himself, as the first thing. he can solder later if he can't solder now
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if can't solder this, should ask a friend. it is a first class bitch to debug pogo w/out a serial console
mircea_popescu: glue omg!
mircea_popescu: you have never used glue ?
asciilifeform: to my grief.
mircea_popescu: so then stop bitching lol
asciilifeform: good way to make a resistor randomly between 100k and 1Mohm
decimation: asciilifeform: are the pogo serial port 'holes' filled with solder?
mircea_popescu: for this application! not for treating his blepharospasm
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you actually used conductive flue and didn't regret ? where ?
mircea_popescu: in one off sort of applications like this.
asciilifeform: decimation: they were on my unit
asciilifeform: anyway, whoever wants to prepare conductive glue can follow simple recipe, epoxy resin and aluminum powder. heavy on the latter. but don't say i didn't warn...
decimation: yeah soldering really isn't that hard, and this is good practice
asciilifeform: for the record: this is not needed on 'production' units! only for folks actively screwing with the os
asciilifeform: and in particular, in ways liable to render it unbootable
decimation: speaking of which, did you see the apple macbookpro recall ascii?
danielpbarron hasn't bricked on yet, thankfully
asciilifeform: (don't have any here, either)
thestringpuller: "/u/thestringpuller has helped pay for 216.25 minutes of reddit server time." << badges now cause reddit can't pay the bills. derped into socialism...
mircea_popescu: how much is 216 minutes cost ?
thestringpuller: apparently 1 reddit gold...
danielpbarron: reddit is like reverse qntra
assbot: Apple launches repair program for longstanding 2011 MacBook Pro GPU problems | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1BzKShD )
danielpbarron: "in soviet reddit, you pay them to write!"
decimation: the lawsuit alleges (based on what evidence?) that the gpus on the macbook pros would heat too rapidly for the lead-free solder, and would thermally shock it, causing cracks
asciilifeform: decimation: notice that this has been ongoing since 2007
asciilifeform: on *all* machines featuring nvidia gpu
asciilifeform: i had half a dozen die in precisely this way on my watch.
asciilifeform: usually a month or two after warranty expiration.
asciilifeform: (to clarify: all portable machines)
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