asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2026-01-08#1117270 << this box/chan is (and has been for some time) strictly an emergency fallback for the pestnet. before the latter stood up, there were various fleanode irc chans in use by some of the folx you see here.
dulapbot: Logged on 2026-01-08 07:08:46 svw: asciilifeform: Why use the long sequence of IRC messages form of organization for discussion and reference? Wouldn't there be an advantage in a more structured space or is the ease/simplicity/familiarity too important?
asciilifeform: the problem with 'structured space' is -- where? somebody's www? there were a bunch, most -- dead nao. and not always preserved anywhere, nor easily tied into a thread anyone could hope to follow if he hadn't already tuned in in the old days
asciilifeform: whereas irc logs, for all the barbarism, are simple to preserve and follow. and the pestnet solves this problem correctly, all participants , past and future, have synchronized logs.
asciilifeform: ( see also )
asciilifeform: pestnet convo can continue for so long as anyone wants it to, and pick up precisely where left off, until the asteroid falls. the continuity of the net is not tied to the lifespan, financial solvency, or good will of any individual participant.
asciilifeform: in stark contrast to the www.
adlai never peered any station due to significant "impedence mismatch" re: e.g. NAT
adlai: much simpler to not bother people who don't want any background noise; and if bother, do so over maximally-greppable text.
asciilifeform: adlai: i'll peer you if you want to plug in
adlai will need a few "long kettles" before bothering people is productively, morally, defensible
adlai: otherwise, what? "sup" "nmu" with synchronized timestamps?
adlai: it's not like I'm babysitting a webcam in Tehran
adlai has no news, and the lack of news can be accurately approximated with "was not conscripted"
adlai: asciilifeform: any reference implementations I should be weighing, before sweeping the table clean and writing a fresh one?
adlai hasn't followed things closely enough to discern whether blatta and/or smalpest are officially abandonware, in addition to smelling that way from ~5 seconds of skimming www
asciilifeform: adlai: all 3 still work
asciilifeform: adlai: phf has another (unpublished, afaik) and asciilifeform has been writing yet anuther (ditto)
asciilifeform: adlai: if you bake own pestron, will be following in the tradition where moar or less erry participant did it !
asciilifeform: it's a simple enuff thing if you aren't concerned with gui or other ornamentals
asciilifeform: certainly easier than writing a usable ircd, for instance.
adlai: how did this count reach three? I listed blatta and smalpest, you listed two more; ...?
asciilifeform: akris, blatta, smalpest
asciilifeform: the 3 currently posted pestrons
asciilifeform: trinque/signpost also baked one recently, tho afaik not posted yet