mats: jews making a devil’s bargain with white christian nationalists in order to get a state is one of the biggest funnies of the last century
mats: reading some dolts in the pest logs trying to sell the ahistorical foxnews ‘hitler was a leftist’ nonsense is peak
mats: reminds me of when people parroted the absolutely retarded ‘blackrock is buying all the homes’ lie they also heard on tv
svw: For some of the more hierarchypilled national socialism is too left wing.
mats: what’s obnoxious is that neither the fuentes or the kirk kneelers have a coherent plan for success
mats: how is there room for israel in America First?
mats: vance and co famously whinged in the signalgate logs about having to do shit in the red sea and would v much like to abandon it all in the hands of the europeans
mats: usa after all is very close to exceeding combined oil production of the #2 and #3 producers
mats: supporting israel was, even for the brits and based on documentary evidence from leadership in the RN, a dogshit arrangement
mats: now some other idiots are trying to stoke regime change in iran without a clear plan for what’s next, and it has a nontrivial probability of creating a failed state with 3x the population of venezuela
mats: tens of millions of possible refugees that could stream into europe, and what’s that do for potus and his great natsec whitening strategy of the continent
mats: irgc has a black budget made of sanctions evasion and transnational crime revenues, and they’ll still be around if the mullahs fall because … they don’t depend on tax receipts
mats: culture war against the young and able people that are eager to serve for fractions of prevailing local wages are precisely those required in the real civ struggle against the chinese, who are actually well organised
svw: How many refugees enter europe depends on how many those running europe allow to enter more than what happens in iran.
mats: europe is an old folks home and the border is enormously and famously porous
svw: The trump admin doesn't have any solutions because they are controlled by israel. Fuentes and everyone right of him understand that breaking israeli control is existential for america.
svw: The border is porous because they aren't trying to defend it. Keeping out 3rd worlders on boats is not hard and more advanced infiltration raises the cost and make it unaffordable for most.
mats: right, because migrant crossings over the belarussian border require advanced technology
mats: or crossings over the ukrainian border, for that matter
svw: It would if they were defended.
svw: But it's actually as easy as sinking the boats NGOs use to ferry browns from north africa.
mats: people facing demographic pyramid inversion actively pushing the notion of starving their own economies to fight the browns is hilarious
mats: llms will not make up the difference in labour supply or productivity loss
mats: hyperscalers already cannot plug in completed datacentres full of hardware for lack of power generation
mats: meanwhile china is literally manufacturing so much pv that it exceeds the total all source installed electricity generation capacity in usa
mats: every year
svw: The same people who created the demographic collapse are the ones now bringing the browns.
mats: no, stupid, its the simple math of unexpectedly longer lifespans of the median westerner
svw: Scale is not that important above some level. Also china exaggerates their population.
mats: there's no global jewish conspiracy causing demographic inversion in the west plus japan, china, others
svw: It's more than just increased life expectancy.
svw: It is a global jewish conspiracy, actually.
svw: You just make every effort to not look the beast in the eye.
mats: over the last 70 years, global life expectancy went from 48 to 73
svw: And if you exclude childhood mortality and war?
mats: blaming jews for whatever ails you can imagine affect you is a real convenient excuse for deeply personal failures
svw: You know nothing about me. Why are you emotionally invested in denying the global elite conspiracy hypothesis?
mats: i'm still waiting for an explanation
svw: An explanation of what?
mats: what exactly is the global elite conspiracy
mats: is it jews somehow buying all of the us suburbs
mats: is jewish control of the trump admin causing them to pump money into ice and mass deportation programmes
svw: That the elites controlling the west coordinated to produce a population crisis, then mass migration from the third world.
mats: how did they do that
svw: Through a wide range of social and economic policies.
mats: name three of them
mats: is it housing policy?
svw: generous welfare states and social security, inflation, feminism
mats: do these elites also control japan and china?
svw: yes turning housing into a store of value was part of it
mats: are you familiar with housing policy in japan?
svw: japan is aligned with the west
mats: how about housing policy in china?
svw: japan certainly seems to have achieved demographic collapse
mats: are you talking about price inflation or monetary inflation
svw: the chinese elite may be more independent, but i doubt they aren't heading towards convergence with the rest
svw: mats: an increase in the amount of money
mats: how does increasing money supply result in population crisis
svw: it disincentivizes saving and increases people's effective time preference
svw: and people can be directed to save in things other than money like housing, which also helps cause it
mats: how does increasing the money supply result in disincentivising saving
svw: a fixed amount of money is worth less if there is more money in total
mats: jesus fucking christ
mats: good thing you used a sockpuppet so i don't know which retard regular you are
mats: cya
svw: bye nigger
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: svw: your enemy is real, but it doesn't wear funny hats, sideburns, or live in desert shithole. and after the latter gets glassed (only matter of time; a megatonne weighs maybe 100kg, less than 'harley') you'll find that nuffin's changed
asciilifeform: mats: meanwhile notion that folx living in a murdered civilization are 'trying to excuse personal failures' similarly lulzy
mats: murdered possibly, whether a shadowy global elite is coordinating it instead of some americans actively mismanaging it is in doubt
mats: ie, doesn’t take a conspiracy to break the implied contract between political parties to govern in good faith by giving away Clinton’s budget surplus for Bush2 tax giveaways to corps and individual taxpayers
mats: which has resulted in endless growth in the national budget because neither party can trust the other to betray them in follow on terms if they should act with fiscal responsibility
mats: eu’s struggle to economically compete is in part regulatory, and also a reflection of a race to the bottom for which they’re politically unequipped to compete by thrashing their most productive
mats: many eu states productivity per person per hour is highly competitive among advanced economies
mats: they also work few hours overall
mats: fewer
mats: debt spiral in the west is broadly a political choice made intentionally over and over again through electoral process, not guided by an invisible elite
mats: voters are actively refusing to raise individual and corporate taxes and refusing to cut benefits at a time when multiple generations have suddenly added decades of additional life expectancy
mats: the incentives are ratcheted and obvious
mats: waging another iteration of crusades on muslims and hispanics is not a whole of society effort to resolve the basic issue of unsustainable debt trajectory
mats: but it is a good way to pump fuel into the train as it approaches the cliff
mats: there are many smaller (and currently politically infeasible) policy solutions that can broadly contribute to managing the edges around the problem
dulapbot: Logged on 2024-12-05 02:29:49 mats: as for policy prescriptions nobody asked for, usa could mitigate some trillions of this by passing right to die legislation
mats: but, you know, for the mentally handicapped religious electorate
mats: who refuse to approve such legislation on the grounds of their ghostwritten books, and in the future when it becomes a tenable matter of public discussion -- shadowy jew elite efforts to kill white peepo or whatever horseshit is dreamt up
asciilifeform: mats: in no particular order: deindustrialization of usa didn't start with clinton; life expectancy of folx who made it through high school hasn't much changed in 100+y; and 'right to die' is sold in afaik all 50 states, pick yer favourite caliber, if you aint already got one
asciilifeform: crusades, pointed out correctly at least that, won't help.
asciilifeform: notion that tax policy has much to do with anyffin is lulzy, reich aint powered by tax revenues, but almost entirely via printing. tax is collected moar or less entirely to try to put at least token brakes on price inflation
asciilifeform: ( picture what would happen to prices if, as iirc was recently proposed, there were a year's holiday from income tax in usa )
asciilifeform: 'too many pensioners in reich' is broadly correct, but most of'em are not old or ill. they're the 90% of 'employed, productive' folx who are flipping bits back and forth. none of which actually need flipping, in the sense that roads need paving, petrol needs refining, etc
asciilifeform: printolade destroyed the very concept of 'work' in the reich. folx with 3 neurons to rub together ran away from not only manual trades but even engineering (the actual kind, where something is built, rather than 1e4.pg reports written) because these arent proximate to the 'money pipe'
asciilifeform: and if you aren't near the money pipe, you lose bidding war over basic necessities to the people who are.
asciilifeform: ever meet even vaguely 'aristocratic' specimens of 'homo americanus' ? the folx who won't fix a loose door knob on their 1.5m$ row house, because i suppose 'dirty' work, they need mexicans to tighten that screw (and can't always afford to call'em in, because 1e4$ monthly payment didn't leave enuff?)
asciilifeform: this isn't even a new phenomenon, see 'laws of manu' (coupla 1e3y. old document, india) where 'brahmin may starve, but may not stoop to work'
asciilifeform: meanwhile the folx who know how to turn a screw, can pick between affording house (day's ride or moar from civilization) or having teeth fixed.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2026-01-16#1117390 << nobody votes to have the few crumbs on his table get taken away. (which is why this 'bug' was fixed ages ago, 'vote' does jack shit, even if not errybody noticed. the remaining crumbs remain because actually required for 'business as usual'(tm) to plod along, not because 'power of vote' lol)
dulapbot: Logged on 2026-01-16 12:29:44 mats: voters are actively refusing to raise individual and corporate taxes and refusing to cut benefits at a time when multiple generations have suddenly added decades of additional life expectancy
asciilifeform: the reich rot, meanwhile, is infectious, brought down e.g. japan, 30+y ago, at that, even tho 0 of the ills mats mentioned were at all present there -- tradition of seppuku (incl. for unemployed d00dz in their 40s) alive & well there, centuries of craft tradition & respect for work, etc. all a++. but then reich pushes a button & 'no one can afford family', kaput.
asciilifeform: financialization will do that.
asciilifeform: biting the hook of 'rule-based international order'(tm)(r)(c) will do that. when jp was playing brit empire 2.0 , 'co-prosperity sphere' complete with beheading olympics of the subjugated -- 0 problems with birth rate.
asciilifeform: not even so many problems after hiroshima, when reich decided that jp would make a useful pawn against su. after su kaput -- sorry, surplus, slice lengthwise.
asciilifeform: tell'em about 'fiscal responsibility' (lel) when reich e.g. levied extortionate fine on toshiba 'for reasons' and multiplied it by ~0. just 1 example, in the l0gz sumwhere iirc
asciilifeform: there's a reason why reich uses 'soft weapons', fentanyls, 1e6$ 'starter houses', etc. rather than 'you -- surplus, slice legthwise, report to death pods asap'. because when you tell fighting-age men they're 'surplus', you run certain risk.
asciilifeform: when reich can no longer rob enuff to keep the zogbots counting the days until they make gs15/ses etc. -- then, curtain.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2026-01-16#1117386 << reich-style 'productivity metrics' (which include not only bit flippers, but e.g. the scam where people waste away from diseases ~unknown 100y ago even among centenarians, fed pharma priced for its weight in diamonds at state expense, and then mats wants to euthanize the victims)
dulapbot: Logged on 2026-01-16 12:20:32 mats: many eu states productivity per person per hour is highly competitive among advanced economies
asciilifeform: .. this also 'productivity', lel, counts in 'gdp'!
asciilifeform: reich.metrics. belong in same shitcan as 'official inflation %' (you still earnestly believe it's single-digit, mats ?) and all the other 'rule based order'(tm) squid inks
asciilifeform: to believe that e.g. 'housing cost is under control'(tm)(r)(us goebbelses) when actually up 2-3x in the areas where economy actually alive, simply because in arkansas the hovels may even cost slightly less than before, because inhabitants OD'd -- and on average, ok! 'average temperature in this hospital is fine', nm that we include the morgue freezer
asciilifeform can't help but have some admiration for the tenacity of mats , who seems well-set to persist in his religion even after, hypothetically, slowly dying of malnutrition and gulag-style abscesses and futilely trying to save enuff to afford quality cyanide, all the while 'economy' will surely be 'a++ in all metrics'
asciilifeform: wasnt so hypothetical for e.g. generation of 'vietnam hobos' (rly, lived in usa all yer life and not met'em? not once?)
phf: as a dirt people area enjoyer i can report that arkansas hovel prices are not going down
asciilifeform waves to phf
asciilifeform arguably also naive -- given as still entertained thought that the stats were 'creatively calculated' via inclusion of arkansases rather than pulled from arse
phf: i guess stats can come from all kinds of places. like the lowest bidder developments that are popping up all over, they might just not be moving as fast as they were when there was the summer of love/covid exodus
asciilifeform: in asciilifeform's corner of the united shitholes, visible to naked eye plenty of 'trading sardines'(tm), i.e. cardboard boxes which repeatedly change hands b/w speculators, each 1 presumably borrowing against it and writing off tax via 'lost rental revenue' all the while no 1 lives in'em
phf: like you know how bethesda used to be a reasonable man's dc commute, while twinbrook/rockville was suburbs. now there are people who daily commute from mt airy. i'm not even saying frederick that's been going on for a while. you drive through those areas they have entire popup neighborhoods where joe miller sold his 300 acres for $900k 10 years ago, and now it's 5k housing units
asciilifeform: ( many of'em 'flipped' (vintage, resurfaced with cheap plastic), many others recent builds )
asciilifeform: aaha whole red line of dc metro fulla these
asciilifeform: green nao also
asciilifeform: the coupla 20th c factory ruins on green have evaporated, replaced with (mostly empty) these
phf: well those popup suburbs is also where the popular youtube format of "look at these insane ode violations in new $2mil construction" comes from
phf: *code
asciilifeform: at some pt they'll presumably wake up to the fact that they can build these 'chinese-style', i.e. 'lazily evaluated' drywall, plumbing fixtures, etc.
phf: meanwhile in my area nothing moves. three entire counties have 5 houses listed.
asciilifeform: afaik under current rules code inspection happens strictly when a human (i.e. sumbody who has to borrow the $ at interest to buy it) is aboutta move in, and not otherwise. so actually +ev, if/when human buys, can fix (if inspector even notices), until then, park the dough in building moar cardboard...
phf: nah, at least in maryland you have mandatory inspection at each phase of construction. tbh i don't have personal experience with that, but neighbors build houses, somebody from county comes out at every step
asciilifeform: evidently, somewhat 'flexible'
phf: it maybe plays different in other counties. here it's more like your cousin is coming, but you are going to work to code, because you're building for yourself, yourself, and you're white
asciilifeform had to redo good % of the wiring in his hovel, and not only the ossified cloth-bound 1950s horror, but the runs he had naively paid mexicans to put in at the start. both were not merely 'not to code' but active hazard, i.e. warm under load, respectable voltages on neutrals, nonexistent grounds, etc, you name it
phf: yeah
phf: i redid roof with mexicans, but before i did learned how to do it myself, and redid a few sections to open things up, etc. i naively thought that the mexican team will be at least ok. nah, bottom of the barrel, break every rule, hide things asap, etc. i basically lived on that roof with them, and at some point they started shoping earlier and earlier hoping to patch things before i got there
phf: *showing up earlier
phf: the format is, you have a good old boy gringo handler, that's basically just pr. he talks to customer, collects money, and presents "face". none of these gringo handlers even speak spanish. instead the team itself is managed by a subcontractor, who is a mexican and does speak english. usually the only one on the team. and then the team itself is a long tail of expertise, where the head guy probably can do a decent job, but his people
phf: are just pure labor, they'll work however they feel more or less.
asciilifeform did a few rounds of this, camera on tripod, they look at you like at fascist komendant in kz camp. then noticed if you buy the supplies yerself, they can't skimp on supplies. and if you sit with them, and demand to participate, they can't cut as many corners. and then thought 'why am i paying these folx?', then logical conclusion.
phf: the gringo handler pretends to relay your tasks, while the team head pretends to listen to those tasks, but the goal is to finish and seal as fast as possible. then it's probabilities kick in. "inshala the roof won't leak" or "inshala the customer won't notice until rafters start collpasing" etc.
asciilifeform: phf: mine didn't come with 'gringo translator', were low-end
asciilifeform own translator
phf: well, gringo translator is totally useless. maybe they are required out here, because they are good old boys (sometimes in cowboy boots even!) on pickup trucks. but when you talk to them "i sold washers a year ago before i switched to this"
phf: they are people who are there to tell you that "jose is actually alright, been with us for many years" etc.
phf: and ever since the experience i can't but help noticing! like i keep running into these good old boys gringo handlers. they all look and sound the same "aw shucks i really need to learn spanish. i've been trying" meaning he knows a few words
phf: shit's insane!
asciilifeform: these folx taught from childhood that 'living like white man' is about pocketing $$$ while coolies 'do' (as little as they can) the work, neh. so -- logical
phf: i don't know the causes of this systemic dysfunction. i don't have the unified theory myself