mats: talon voice master race
crtdaydreams: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2026-02-25#1117954 << bandwidth grows on trees in this day and age. also, isn't it obvious it's incompatible with pestnet?? I wouldn't even suggest it mate
dulapbot: Logged on 2026-02-25 09:47:43 asciilifeform: (not even talking about bandwidth waste, where in pestnet or the link you'd have to issue a broadcast for erry keypress?!) nuttery imho
crtdaydreams: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2026-02-25#1117953 << you miss the point, because what you get is the speed of thought. you get to see the pauses as people think and backspace to rewrite their sentences.
dulapbot: Logged on 2026-02-25 09:46:55 asciilifeform: crtdaydreams: why the hell would you want to see errybody's typos in real time?
crtdaydreams: you're hanging with the wrong crowd if they're spending more time trying to fix their typos than crafting the message
crtdaydreams: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2026-02-26#1117959 << huh? what I'm referring to has nothing to do with voice-recognition...
dulapbot: Logged on 2026-02-26 02:11:57 gregorynyssa: nobody will be using keyboards anymore because everything will be based on voice-recognition?
crtdaydreams: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2026-02-26#1117964 << a blind chick I know uses her phone with a sequence of taps and a screen reader that reads over 2000WPM it's wild to watch disability tech has made leaps and bounds beyond simple voice-control or $6k braille hardware
dulapbot: Logged on 2026-02-26 07:32:54 asciilifeform: i.e. it's good that it exists, but 0 desire to use it while have any alternative
crtdaydreams never uses voice control because mic always (on) is fucking creepy
crtdaydreams: can't understand how people intentionally bug their own homes
crtdaydreams: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2026-02-26#1117968 << 32 500W panels for $5.5k benjis
dulapbot: Logged on 2026-02-26 09:00:27 Vex: pet reminds me to uplug a plugpack. bae. we're charging a 2 tonne rc car from a coalfire 1000 miles away
crtdaydreams: used ev writeoff market is a goldmine
phf: i hear the easy teen-age new york thing to do these days is to local llm voice to text, and then feed it to an agent
phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2026-02-27#1117975 << there's a school of communication which is long think, long edit, high signal. it might not've been obvious but tmsr was like that. even with high speed bantz people were pausing to add compression to their signal
dulapbot: Logged on 2026-02-27 05:11:12 crtdaydreams: you're hanging with the wrong crowd if they're spending more time trying to fix their typos than crafting the message
phf: watching someone craft their message perhaps has some voyeuristic novelty, but i've used talkd with friends in the past on a shared unix server, and not as a retro hipster thing at the time it was a faster alternative to aim/icq, and the novelty of watching someone struggle with keyboard wears off fast
phf: i often rewrite my message. i'm also dyslexic, i have to reread it and swpa letters, soemtimes words. nobody wants to read that shit
phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2026-02-27#1117978 << there's been a lot of hacker tech over years, that solves disability input/output in novel ways. for example i followed http://edbrowse.org/ for a while, which is ed-like with builtin web browser. it's written by a blind guy, and elsewhere in his comms he explains the various hacks he used for signal/time optimizations. it was pretty illuminating
dulapbot: Logged on 2026-02-27 05:15:45 crtdaydreams: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2026-02-26#1117964 << a blind chick I know uses her phone with a sequence of taps and a screen reader that reads over 2000WPM it's wild to watch disability tech has made leaps and bounds beyond simple voice-control or $6k braille hardware
phf: there was a post by somebody that i'm not going to dig up, because it's not much beyond description, that used dragon for programming in a modern ide. the insight is that you have to design and add a sublanguage, a kind of input apl, that allows you to rapidly perform screen operations. "chok lop pip" etc. it still looks like torture, but in a bind...
phf: i've finally started experimenting with agentic, and one of the exercises is "implement feature without ever touching anything but the agent's repl", and of course there are techniques now for how to make that give you controlled reliable output. i track the ratio of input/output to observe compression rate, and it's much tighter if you prompt and tweak for small code, discourage the llm maxcode vomit tendency, but the ratios are still
phf: pretty good. i can see how with even tighter ratios voice to text might be a useful
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2026-02-27#1117993 << i was able to implement an entire linux kernel driver for a handsewn device this way
dulapbot: Logged on 2026-02-27 10:38:28 phf: i've finally started experimenting with agentic, and one of the exercises is "implement feature without ever touching anything but the agent's repl", and of course there are techniques now for how to make that give you controlled reliable output. i track the ratio of input/output to observe compression rate, and it's much tighter if you prompt and tweak for small code, discourage the llm maxcode vomit tendency, but the ratios are still
asciilifeform still not certain the exercise actually saved time, but was interesting experience
asciilifeform intends to post the src, but not hurrying, given as the iron exists literally nowhere but asciilifeform's desk
asciilifeform: ( see thread on locklin's www re subj )
asciilifeform: ftr was arguably nontrivial driver (vga card for exotic display, with support for xorg-drm and fbdev, rotations, etc)
phf: yeah locklin in his last ai article mentioned that it was you who inspired him to try, or maybe in comments
phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2026-02-27#1117997 << consider, smh techies would spend months test driving new text editor, or a different linux distribution, or whatever other bullshit, but the attitude to ai is like "i tried to startrek my way through a feature and it wasn't very good, i'm done". it's like, there's millions things you can try
dulapbot: Logged on 2026-02-27 10:59:46 asciilifeform: still not certain the exercise actually saved time, but was interesting experience
phf: the amount of noise is just too damn high, the ai psychosis people are saturating the channels with brainslop "i wrote a shit js tetris with a single prompt, tomorrow linux kernel!!", but at the other end you have skeptics. there's a tiny percentage of engineers trying to figure out how to use this shit effectively, and they are essentially drowned out