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billymg: mod6: been doing some testing with your privkey_tools patch and afaict everything's working as it should. i applied it manually after pressing the trb stable tree
billymg: i was looking through the logs trying to find a reason why it wasn't included in the main release but couldn't find an answer. are there any caveats/things i should watch out for?
dorion: billymg has to do with sha512 vs keccak afaik
billymg: ah, got it. ty
mircea_popescu: guy couldn't be arsed to sign it properly, basically. two years or whatever, he's waiting me out.
mircea_popescu: cuz that's what you wanna see.
mod6: billymg: Hi, it wasn't included because there was an objection (i'll have to dig the logs for it) to it being included (trinque) because it includes a class that was deemed unnecessary.
mod6: mircea_popescu: No Sir, not waiting you or anyone out.
mod6: There was also the entire question of not putting it in, as it was discussed that the wallet should be cleaved from the rest of the architecture itself -- and further work on wallet related things should wait.
mod6: That's what I've had loaded in my head, anyway.
mod6: Let me see if I can dig up trinque's objection here quick.
mod6: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-10-13#1724987
snsabot: Logged on 2017-10-13 11:32:29 trinque: the introduction of new classes should be perma-banned
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714239
mod6: Anyway, I'm open to another discussion around the privkey tools vpatch. For what it's worth, I think TRB sorely needs it. But again, the whole discussion about the wallet.
mod6: I am also aware of the wallet work that has been on-going in python by gbw. Maybe this gets folded into that?
mod6: Also, mircea_popescu, I do have the the entire trb tree (with exception of privkey_tools) signed and ready to go in Keccak. Has been since last January. I havne't been able to find a Lord who will double check my work though.
mod6: http://blog.mod6.net/2019/01/trb-keccak-regrind/
mod6: Upon resoltion of the privkey_tools question, will happily add it to the current archive of signed Keccak TRB Vptaches.
dorion: hey mod6, how's life since quitting your old 9-5 ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 14:06:42 mod6: Hai all, it's been a pretty intense month - lot going on here. I've left my 9-5 job!
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957153 - the online component is in python, the offline component is in Scheme.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-24 00:20:48 mod6: I am also aware of the wallet work that has been on-going in python by gbw. Maybe this gets folded into that?
mod6: dorion: ah, hrm. it's had its ups and downs.
mod6: thx, for denoting the offline component in scheme.
mircea_popescu: mod6, why are you looking for a lord to "doubleckeck your work" ~outside~ of the process through which this is done here ?
mircea_popescu: stop putting yourself in the way of progress, the only thing you'll get out of it is your own mangled body.
mircea_popescu: no fucking clue why your ferrocraneum manages to conceal from you the plain obviousness of this ; no fucking idea what you make of all the other mangled bodies of like idiots scattered about, nor of the actual pain you feel and have been feeling.
mircea_popescu: but it's a fact : stop trying to put yourself in the way, it will not stop anything and it will fuck you iup.
mircea_popescu: "waiting to fo into keccak". there's no fucking waiting. do it, do it now, and stop with the infantile bullshit. the republic isn't optional, nor is it trying to persuade the infant in you.
mod6: mircea_popescu: Ok, I have published my trb keccak regrind on the bitcoin.foundation site. It comes with the following: 1. Update to original genesis.vpatch - removes the UTF charater. 2. Added mod6_privkey_tools.vpatch (unchanged fro the original ML posting by myself.) 3. A manifest file. 4. I've also updated the howto document on thebitcoin.foundation.
mod6: The howto document now requires that you have Ada on your environment before you build, and the builder will also need to build starter_v_2 first, before any other steps are to be completed.
mod6: I won't be back around until later today, but i'll check back in later.
feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2020/01/exposition-iii/ << Bimbo Club -- Exposition III.
dorion: mircea_popescu I hope I've not waited too long, but I'm ready to ask you about the face to face structure jfw and I started with for jwrd.
dorion: To provide context, the main reason we started with this is because Gales as an environment is pure text, so the command line must be used. For the most part, the people we're prospecting don't have command line experience.
dorion: At the start, basics like remembering where spaces go in command syntax and the difference between slashes and dashes can trip them up. Thus, sitting next to them a) gives them some assurance, b) allows the instructor's feedback loop to be shortened because he sees exactly where the mistake is being made and c) makes keeping the sessions within 90 minutes more feasible.
dorion: The lectures and course materials - we provide both digital and hard copy resources - were built around this structure. We've provided hard copies of lectures/in class exerices and homework, in part because they've typically never used a text editor (though vimtutor is part of the early homework) and pencil and paper brings them back to a more familiar learning modality.
dorion: We build them up from an environment they're used to, but also heavily stress practice of the commands and text editor.
dorion: With that being said, physical presence limits us, both from clients we can work with and, as we grow, instructors we can onboard, e.g. spyked.
dorion: One middleground we've looked at pivoting to is using a server with tmux session sharing combined with a voice or video call. That will provide a "classroom" experience for both instructor and student from the comfort/convenience of the home office.
dorion: On top of that we plan to move IRC from around session 20, where it was with the first batch, to somewhere between sessions 5-10 and make that the primary, or ideally only, communication channel.
dorion: Panama does have a more old school, meet in person culture, so we see face to face still as a good option for building long-term relationships, e.g. makes going for a drink after class that much easier, but cutting the number in half rather than the full 25.
dorion: Does this shift make sense to you ? Or is it still silly in ways I'm not seeing ?
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957161 - I see. perhaps writing some articles about the process on your blog would mitigate the downs and amplify the ups ?
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-24 02:07:46 mod6: dorion: ah, hrm. it's had its ups and downs.
dorion: mod6 you see yourself managing to keep yourself free of 9-5 longer term ?
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957169 - did you see jfw's keksum ?
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-24 13:14:56 mod6: The howto document now requires that you have Ada on your environment before you build, and the builder will also need to build starter_v_2 first, before any other steps are to be completed.
dorion: (I'm not saying one's better than the other, just pointing that it exists.)
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2020/01/royal-yachting-association-discovers-their-database-was-leaked-in-2015/ << Qntra -- "Royal Yachting Association" Discovers Their Database Was Leaked In 2015!
jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957173 - regarding the "because" there: there was perhaps a degree of teaching it because we'd built it, but I see it more the other way - a text-only Linux being a good choice for the job specifically because it doesn't have the GUI crutch and CLI illiteracy is one of the bigger barriers that otherwise intelligent people face to using serious
jfw: computing tools.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-24 18:39:58 dorion: To provide context, the main reason we started with this is because Gales as an environment is pure text, so the command line must be used. For the most part, the people we're prospecting don't have command line experience.
jfw acknowledges he's a ways behind here, will try to find a balance between underinformed and overdelayed responses...

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