mircea_popescu: hmm, so since i'm building a gaming station... what's the republican notions for gfx-heavy os ?
mircea_popescu: latest gentoo ? or /
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what do you think of as 'gfx-heavy' ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-01#1916464 << updated with fixed typo and with link to diana_coman's illustrated ch1-4 guide, originally missing
a111: Logged on 2019-06-01 02:12 feedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3386 << Loper OS -- Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 18C: Peh School: Generation of Cryptographic Primes.
asciilifeform: if i omitted anyone else's ffaisms, plox to lemme know. ( PeterL: your item will be in 19 )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thinking re 'gfx-heavy' : might be interesting to try the recent years' opensores nvidia driver. (supposedly it actually worx.) perhaps send a pet to set it up.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform has not had chance to try this any time recently, and afaik no one in l1 reported such an experiment.
asciilifeform: oughta be doable on any linuxism with relatively recent (3+) kernel, iirc. incl. the cuntoo draft.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ima ul some pics yo uget an idea
asciilifeform: lol i have 1 of these in a recently-sewn box
asciilifeform: i think exactly same brand even
mircea_popescu: so what do you run it on ?
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's old gentoo with evil kmod turd from nv, currently
asciilifeform: it's a cad box
asciilifeform: i'd stuff that thing in a chassis of some kind btw. else it's only matter of time till you elbow it and snap the card edge imho
asciilifeform: that 1070 is heavy bugger
mircea_popescu: o yes, it's in a chassis now.
mircea_popescu: innit tho ? lifting the motherboard with it i had this distinct impression it's gonna snap right under it
mircea_popescu: took it off, put motherboard in screws first, then added it again
asciilifeform: hedgehog mass
mircea_popescu: but i can't fucking run old gentoo on it. for one thing, what games even run on old gentoo ?
mircea_popescu: shit, actually -- what games even are ?!
asciilifeform: supposedly ye olde 'wine' has 3dism naodays
asciilifeform: but i confess, not tried
asciilifeform: ( naturally winblows will eat the 1070, but i dun imagine mircea_popescu was asking 'which winblows to get' lol )
mircea_popescu: notryl tbh
mircea_popescu: last i looked into this, cca 2004, linux was JUST about to eat windows' lunch
mircea_popescu: then i did other things, and i come back 15 years later to discover -- "linux, wut, where you been granpa"
asciilifeform: at any rate 1070 drives e.g. newfangled 3840x2160 lcd, a+++
mircea_popescu: fucking unpleasant.
asciilifeform: ( even eats 4 of'em w/out skipping a beat )
mircea_popescu: nice huh ?
mircea_popescu: i don't mind the hardware -- i just wish to know what software anyone knows of.
mircea_popescu: so far "get a modern gentoo" seems the only (if vague) option ?
asciilifeform: 'modern' as in kern 3+ is really all
mircea_popescu: what's gentoo even use ? gtk ?
asciilifeform: lol why gtk. e.g. asciilifeform has plain old x, cum 'ratpoison'
asciilifeform: presumably you didn't buy the card to draw transparent backgrounds in shells with lol
mircea_popescu: and what games do you run on it ?
mircea_popescu: well then ?
asciilifeform: tho supposedly 'valve' has linux gamez
asciilifeform has not gamed much in recent times; not since embarking on multiyr maffs grind
asciilifeform: as i understand mircea_popescu's own eulora knows what to do with 3d card tho ( can't picture why would need whole 1070 however , for such )
mircea_popescu: i wanted to try the outside world
asciilifeform: afaik this mostly means microshit
asciilifeform: ( w7, if one must, eats 1070, with some fiddling )
mircea_popescu: or else https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/05/24/ubuntu-19-10-nvidia-proprietary-gpu-driver-iso-linux/ i guess ?
asciilifeform: aha, what i had on mine. ( not ubuntu, naturally, but vendor's binturd installer actually does shit forth a loadable kmod , and goes on conventional gentoos for so long as k 3+ )
mircea_popescu: anyone tried the mint thing /
asciilifeform: then anyffin that talks to openglism-under-x worx.
mircea_popescu: !#s linux mint
asciilifeform has not, never felt compelled to use oddball bindist linuxen just because sewn box with 3dcard
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i'd much rather dump a package deal than baby this box. i figure the grand or so it cost ain't worth an hour of my time
mircea_popescu: and it already took about half that ordering an' puttign together
asciilifeform: generally i have a use thought up for box before arising off arse to sew one , lol
mircea_popescu: a wait. linux mint === ubuntu.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/further-unboxings-continuatory-motorcycle/ << Trilema -- Further unboxings (continuatory motorcycle)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i DO have a use for the box. "find out how the other half lives"
asciilifeform: sounds like it's condemned to eat w7 then
asciilifeform: unless you're 'valve' aficionado
mircea_popescu: "zorin os", "an Ubuntu-based, highly polished Linux distribution, entirely made for Windows refugees."
mircea_popescu: holy shit what.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, what's w7 ?
asciilifeform: ( there is nominally a 'steam for linux' . asciilifeform not tested. )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: microshit's , i meant
mircea_popescu: i was gonna go for steam but then they took off bitcoin. so meh.
asciilifeform: they were all a++ on warez last i knew.
asciilifeform: ( the last 1 i personally touched was 'portal' )
mircea_popescu: "Manjaro Linux comes in XFCE, KDE, Gnome, Cinnamon and a host of more desktop environments. Do check out the official website." lawds mercy
mircea_popescu: is valve an os by now btw ?
asciilifeform: they have some sorta nintendobox iirc, with handsewn linux
asciilifeform: but afaik not a pc-style os, no
mircea_popescu: all these game platform people are fucked in the head for not making their own serials-filed os.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform's brother slaved for 'valve' for a spell, but it's been some yrs since this )
diana_coman: now I'm rather curious if mircea_popescu finds any "other half" re games, lol
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, ikr
asciilifeform liked 'portal', but it aint exactly 'recent'
asciilifeform: in 'portal', a chix walks around with a sort of blaster that opens wormholes b/w any two targets. 3distic puzzler thing.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, a "great" (according to all the slobbering kiddies) gaming comp can be had for what a slut trip takes per day. notwithstanding the suddenly looming question of whether there's even anything to do with it once you get it.
asciilifeform: indeed it can, i dun think this is surprise to anyone
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i tend to play things like heroes, diablo, fallout etc.
asciilifeform: about 1k dubloons gets you all the game warez box anyone might want
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, when i was a kid, a top notch gaming comp was like a year's labour.
asciilifeform: i recall this time.
asciilifeform: the irons cheapened, but game people lost the spark of life, very little made these days that eats 3d card other than infinite variations on tired old shooter theme
mircea_popescu: well, apparently i could auto-install steamos on it.
asciilifeform: oh ha
diana_coman: out of curiosity I went and checked "requirements" for "no man's sky" (I keep hearing of it, possibly because it's made a few km away from my location): ps2 or windows 7; and the game will take up around 10GB of storage, lolz.
asciilifeform: i saw one vaguely original thing coupla yrs ago, iirc was 'far cry' -- very ornately graphixy thing set in... stone age. ( twist : character is able to tame animals and lead a sort of army )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i saw . decent 'elite' variant
asciilifeform: diana_coman: naodays aint even uncommon to see game eat 50-100GB !
mircea_popescu: so basically, if i install steamos, then i can pay eg 35 eur to play sme random title.
asciilifeform: ( textures! )
mircea_popescu: not a bad racket, 1k to build box + 2-5k/mo to buy virtual cartridges.
mircea_popescu: i ain't fucking doing this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in principle. ( this is where asciilifeform confesses that he has never in entire life eaten game other than from warez... )
mircea_popescu: i generally pay whatever, 20-50 bux / mo for a game i'm actually playing, on the theory that the fucks who made it, let them eat.
asciilifeform: i , also, never had appetite for ' blow k/mo on virtual cartridge' heh
mircea_popescu: but i will not consider this upfront sorta nonsense.
mircea_popescu: you wanna get paid, bill net30 or some shit wtf is this.
asciilifeform: is why god made warez aha
mircea_popescu: List of 15 Best Linux Games For 2018 1. Battle for Wesnoth
mircea_popescu: holy shit kill me now.
asciilifeform: hey at least it aint 'xpenguin' !111
asciilifeform: ( or 'freeciv' )
asciilifeform: i knew a d00d who almost flunked school from overindulging in 'freeciv', shit thee not
mircea_popescu: hmmm... The Dark Mod (apparently thief remake) may be interesting
asciilifeform will eagerly read mircea_popescu's review if he tries this or similar
asciilifeform: i liked the old 'thief'
asciilifeform: played on last serious gamez box i had. w/ ye olde 'voodoo II' card
asciilifeform: was esp. great on 'hard', where you gotta leave the guards alive
mircea_popescu: blackjack ftw
asciilifeform: a troo gem imho.
mircea_popescu: the logic behind http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-01#1916530 if it wasn't self obvious : secure box and gaming box are exactly opposite design constraints. computer games (as a distinct and opposite category to eulora) are by definition code that'll run on your box without your having run it. if you're going to do that ANYWAY, might as well save your time.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-01 12:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i'd much rather dump a package deal than baby this box. i figure the grand or so it cost ain't worth an hour of my time
mircea_popescu: without your having read* it.
asciilifeform: aint nuffin wrong with 'gamez box' if one observes elementary kitchen-toilet separation, aha
asciilifeform fwiw has moar 'toilets' than 'kitchens', so happens
mircea_popescu: a game being, definitionally, "i don't want to KNOW what it does, i want to DISCOVER what it does"
asciilifeform: pretty good def, imho
a111: Logged on 2019-05-21 22:32 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, indeed. showed up at bdsm meet, heplfully showed us his dong. whole shebang starts with http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Arobwhiz
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in the US war machine: "“I seem to be getting inundated with black female officers who are being disciplined for dumb stuff,” says Coretta Gray, who spent 13 years as an officer in the Air Force Judge Advocate General’s Corps, the military’s branch for military justice and military law, and continues to consult on cases."
mircea_popescu: shouldn't have hired dumb black females
BingoBoingo: Anyways, at this rate US activists complaints are likely as useful as active intelligence gathering to foreign analysts.
mircea_popescu: eh, us army is ~social security anyways. not like it's a military in any sense.
mircea_popescu: janissary corps.
BingoBoingo: I thought janissaries were somewhat effective in the field
mircea_popescu: not during the last century or so
BingoBoingo: Could be this last century hasn't had Janissaries. Just social security in disguise.
mircea_popescu: afaik army ~= trucking. same demo.
BingoBoingo: Was, was the same demo.
mircea_popescu: right, now truckers all serbs and army all mammie
asciilifeform: hrm, feedbot down ?
asciilifeform: guess i gotta manually
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf plox to snarf ch19, ty.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in continuation of earlier lulz : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZwuQt/?raw=true
a111: Logged on 2019-06-01 17:35 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathen lullies, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SzRGZ/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: Holy fucksticks the hamster in that one
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fella's either barkin' mad, or feigning (why, dunno)
BingoBoingo: If feigning could be a hail mary attempt to get some indemnity for earlier idiocy
asciilifeform: not clear why he'd give a damn. ( seems like his 'exciting biznisproposal for you!1111' days are past... )
nicoleci: hes insane and wont stop emailing me
asciilifeform: nicoleci: post'em
nicoleci: asciilifeform, lol alright
nicoleci: he was weird in person but this is something else
BingoBoingo: Can't hurt to blog the guilty
BingoBoingo: Is he still on an electric airplane kick?
nicoleci: true, as long as it stops
nicoleci: lol he didnt mention it, he was mostly being asked to leave the room though
BingoBoingo: electric airplanes were his kink when he first showed up as "ninjashogun"
nicoleci: the last email i glanced at he mentioned me being part of the international police
BingoBoingo: Dude wanted ~infinite money to finance "tesla of aviation", solar powered electric airplanes. Never mind the lack of utility or range
BingoBoingo: <nicoleci> the last email i glanced at he mentioned me being part of the international police << Through your affiliation with the Republic you are an international authority figure of the sort the uninitiated may call police.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc he had a diff crackpottery for each. i never got the airplane 1.
nicoleci: lmao, i wouldnt trust that guy to put together a model airplane
asciilifeform: iirc ben_vulpes got sumthing to do with dirigibles.
BingoBoingo: nicoleci: Anyways, consider how many public hangings your master has conducted. Ask him for wisdom and permission to do the hanging.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: imho madness alone is not necessarily a barrier to productive work. nao if only fella would do sumthing constructive with that energy..
asciilifeform: like, e.g. terry davis
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The pattern of how he exercises his whatever seems to necessarily cut him out of anything.
asciilifeform: i wouldn't put him to make paper airplane, sure. but let'im write an os in asm or sumsuch for 20yrs before eats a train.
nicoleci: BingoBoingo, thats the plan.
asciilifeform: d00d is clearly stuck in wrong half of globe tho. in usa a certified schizo gets a gov pension ( as described by tlp ) and for that matter davis lived on one
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not necessarily. The would-be schizo pensions turned into a sorta ghetto foodstamp supplement as described by tlp.
asciilifeform: iirc the occasional genuine barmy still gets it
BingoBoingo: For the same of keeping pretense
asciilifeform: ever since reagan closed the asylums
BingoBoingo: Same reason SV social media wankers will ban all sorts of folks, but they'll keep David Duke and other approved opposition
asciilifeform: ( i actually knew a fella who tried to check into an asylum, on own steam. the latter still exist, but they keep patient for a week, jack'em up with 9000 meds, and let go. to get 'full program' generally you gotta kill somebody )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re 'solar airplane' -- 1 was built in '80s, it hangs in the national museum. not particularly useful other than for 'guiness record' tho afaik.
asciilifeform: just barely carried pilot and parachute iirc.
asciilifeform: gigantic plastic sheet.
asciilifeform: possibly with current-day lithium battery, could be slightly smaller. but still not sure why subj is perennial crackpot interest.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, so listen, re your last invoice: May 2019: 1 BTC = 5319 USD << da fuck is this then!
mircea_popescu: i don't specifically care about a few bitcents or a few hundy, but by the time we're talking of
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc .665 * (8700-5300)
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 2261
mircea_popescu: i start caring eventually.
mircea_popescu: suppose you folk re-invoice me for something more like .4 ?
mircea_popescu: not to even mention how one server of a (iirc, identical ?) pair goes for 0.0396 while the other apparently 0.0578. even using your own prices : item 1 paid yearly in april 2018 then comes to... o wait, can't use your own numbers, start in june 2018only. but anyway, april 2018 was ~5k.
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc 0.4752 * 5000 / 12
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 198
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc 0.0578 * 5318
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 307.3804
mircea_popescu: ima pay the 8-11 set of invoices for good time's sake, but gimme a break, if it's monthly it gotta track SOMETHING ? they're all the same amt.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-30 19:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: got it, worx. plox to deedbot-invoice asciilifeform (i'ma have to refill the piggy before i can fill it tho).
mircea_popescu: systemz ?!
mircea_popescu: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/System_z_Frames.JPG << don't they look fucken sad ? like abandoned cola machines
mircea_popescu: by a window in the wing nobody visits of a nebraska mall.
mircea_popescu: https://help.ubuntu.com/18.04/installation-guide/amd64/install.en.txt << this 64999 word ubuntu manual is totally worth preserving.
mircea_popescu: A.1.3. Booting from network
mircea_popescu: It's also possible to boot the Ubuntu installer completely from the net. The
mircea_popescu: various methods to netboot depend on your architecture and netboot setup. The
mircea_popescu: files in netboot/ can be used to netboot the Ubuntu installer.
mircea_popescu: The easiest thing to set up is probably PXE netbooting. Untar the file netboot/
mircea_popescu: pxeboot.tar.gz into /srv/tftp or wherever is appropriate for your tftp server.
mircea_popescu: Set up your DHCP server to pass filename pxelinux.0 to clients, and with luck
mircea_popescu: everything will just work. For detailed instructions, see Section 4.5,
mircea_popescu: "Preparing Files for TFTP Net Booting".
mircea_popescu: oh look at that, fixed lines on top of everything. butofcoars.
mircea_popescu: all joking aside : the best answer i could produce for the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-01#1916471 question stands as "choose between steamos and ubuntu", which in plain terms is "do you wish to make your computer a supernintendo and buy virtual cartridges for it ? or would you rather make your computer a mobile phone ?"
a111: Logged on 2019-06-01 11:34 mircea_popescu: hmm, so since i'm building a gaming station... what's the republican notions for gfx-heavy os ?
mircea_popescu: i choose the later, because... here's the problem : there's no because, properly speaking. "oh, hurr durr i want to own my games" wtf does this mean in a net context ? yes, i still have and still play homm2 / mm6 / gothic / whatever. but how the fuck are you going to meaningfully save a multiplayer game ? should they send me the server too ?
mircea_popescu: there's no fucking difference. i expect to pay ~something~ because i don't expect anybody can just photosynthesize games into existence.
mircea_popescu: i would like, of course, to have a say in how that money is spent, so that i don't end up paying 99% on ever-greater-pixelcount textures and support for 4k px wide monitors and other such http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-20#1843222 joys. but... wide franchise amirite, you know going in idiocy's gonna rule all things around you.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-20 21:01 asciilifeform: lulzily i documented this in the past , in http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-03#1260586 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-15#1406177
mircea_popescu: but you can't expect game makers to solve problems fucking "our democracy" altogether hasn't managed to even verbalize or conceptualize, let alone even take the first steps towards solving.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ima pay the 8-11 set of invoices for good time's sake, but gimme a break, if it's monthly it gotta track SOMETHING ? they're all the same amt. << The log I based the one server off of starts here http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-24#1785933 and the other starts here http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-25#1837621 I am more than happy to work something less ambiguous than those two stretches of log out.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-24 18:39 ben_vulpes: i can give you a pretty steep discount for paying the year up front, but because i'm building out the downline i want to keep the box on the balance sheet. how about a 20% markup on the machine if you pay for the whole year?
a111: Logged on 2018-07-25 02:38 mircea_popescu: mod6 go ahead an' invoice. i recall now seeing something like this b4 but no invoice either.
mircea_popescu: so as a factual matter, i expect ima pay something, and i expect it'll be entirely meaningless. in which case, da fuck do i care whether it's a mobile phone and you "own the games" or a nintendo and you "own the cartridges" except... well, you know, you virtually own them.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, alright, so let me know.
mircea_popescu: anyways, so having unsubstantiably chosen to make the box a phone, now we gotta pick a ubuntu. leaving aside the "manuals" and "with luck everything will just work" lulzies ("Achieve your AI ambitions quickly, reliably and cost-effectively. Multi-cloud operations for the full enterprise AI stack "), the choice comes between
mircea_popescu: Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS (LTS stands for long-term support which means five years, until April 2023, of free security and maintenance updates, guaranteed.) and Ubuntu 19.04 (comes with nine months, until January 2020, of security and maintenance updates.)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ty, I'll hit the math a bit, sleep a bit, and propose something tomorrow that is a more sustainable way to price machines going forward than doing a bunch of log archaeology evey machine.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, sounds good.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck sense does this make is anyone's fucking guess. why the fuck would you ever review the os on a box ?! this is the fucking definition of the os in the first place -- that part of software that DOESN'T need to change. it hugs the hardware and is changed with the fucking hardware.
mircea_popescu: the name for software that changes with the user's pubic hairdo fashions is USERLAND. why the fuck am i... o look at that, there's 1.9 GB to download! the OS!!!! is two gigs.
mircea_popescu: and of fucking course it's coming down a trickle pipe, so it was a 10 hour download when it started, half hour ago, then moved to 15 hours as i started ranting, and by now it's claiming to be done in 35 hours.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck ever heard of such nonsense ?!
mircea_popescu: o look... 42 hours.