trinque: christ on a stick.
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/05/usg-now-targeting-chinese-toy-maker-dji-over-national-security-concerns/ << Qntra -- USG Now Targeting Chinese Toy Maker DJI Over National Security Concerns
feedbot: http://blog.mod6.net/2019/05/building-trb-on-cuntoo-part-1/ << mod6's Blog -- Building TRB on Cuntoo: Part 1
mp_en_viaje: in other purely ustardian lulz, https://journal.firsttuesday.us/brokerage-reminder-dont-be-coy-let-hardship-letters-tell-all/19202/ << the "hardship letter"
mp_en_viaje: i expect the form doesn't read anything like "fucker, i'm not digging up your underwater mortgage for you, get the fuck off that horse"
mp_en_viaje: i dunno who the fuck else can be this fucking batshit. "applying to the bank
mp_en_viaje: s loss mitigator" ? wtf, the office of sour losers ?
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in random drama nobody gives a shit about, https://twitter.com/mattyoung/status/1129995793467789312
mp_en_viaje: "women of color", "journalists", AUSTRALIANS, "elections" ... it's almost like new zealand.
mp_en_viaje: in similar news, https://www.nairaland.com/488532/samuel-ladoke-akintola/6 << "So why did Akintola place the call to Zik to warn him about Awo's attempt to deal with two parties? Was it not the same Akintola who went to Bello in the company of Rosiji? So how can we conclude that Awo sent Akintola to negotiate with Bello if Akintola called Zik before getting to Bello and then was in the company of Bello, when Bello called Zik? If what you allege is
mp_en_viaje: true, then I can conclude that Akintola was always working with Zik and Bello to frustrate Awo's ambition."
mp_en_viaje: evidently, daytime soaps not entirely wasted -- various sets of africans in obscure shitholes imagine they're doing politics and such whiteman things thereby.
hanbot: "However, I must add that you have willfully chosen not to incorporate the dynamic nature of polity during the era in discuss."
mp_en_viaje: verrry sorry bop, only discuss curry got!
hanbot: are you willfully sorry?
mp_en_viaje: also chicken curry.
diana_coman: lmao; "willful sorry makes chicken curry" or what was it.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile for the assange lulz files : http://archive.is/hSZDg#selection-81.318-81.344
mp_en_viaje: lotta people had rather ridiculous notions about the internet, obtained through the usual means.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 21:21 mircea_popescu: "the notion that airplanes could reproduce through laying eggs is merely a naive extension, in the vein of 'object A has properties a and b ; object B shares property a and therefore it is reasonable ~~~on a first approximation~~~ to expect it exhibit proerty b'. nevertheless, artifacts differ from nature in that one fundamental aspect, that they're inefficient, and therefore to achieve same ends end up heavy, and in the case
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in nigeria, http://gratuitescolaire.info/imgs/ec4938526619a44c83e32682f94808bc.jpg
a111: Logged on 2019-05-17 14:30 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914356 << plz don't bother unless you have one lined up already; i will prolly do it with own hands sooner
stjohn_piano_2: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914392 << makes sense.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-17 14:33 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914355 << schematics + text in e.g. svg vector graphic.
stjohn_piano_2: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914395 << from logs + mocky's "why ada", i understand some of the technical merits of ada. however, my perception of the current job market is that trying to make a living at ada leads directly to a hardware sharashka.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-17 14:35 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914368 << consider ada. ( ffa series imho makes a decent ada tutorial, and so does diana_coman's series )
stjohn_piano_2: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914400 << yes, tied to the UK. I'm currently looking for python dev work in Cambridge/Suffolk area.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-17 14:42 diana_coman: stjohn_piano_2: are you actually tied to the UK? and anyway, what sort of job/where are you looking for one?
stjohn_piano_2: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914408 << yes, exactly. sadly, small business was not the right path. i've observed firsthand the final stages of the integration of small businesses into the gov. the regulatory overhead is enormous and ever-growing.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-17 14:50 diana_coman: moreover, while it is doable (like ~anything else really), it's hard to really see the reason to *choose* to do it when one hasn't yet been sucked into it ; and stjohn_piano_2 strikes me as trying to NOT get sucked into it.
stjohn_piano_2: i'm now trying to restructure myself into a dev in a field in which remote work can become a viable option.
stjohn_piano_2: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914411 & http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914413 << thank you.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-17 16:42 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914363 << if you haven't already read, you may be interested in ben_vulpes' classic likbez on v
a111: Logged on 2019-05-17 16:43 lobbes: also, welcome! may your studies be fruitful
mp_en_viaje: o right, speaking of "most difficult ocr job" : http://trilema.com/2019/romanian-culture-was-rot-since-day-one/#footnote_20_83740
mp_en_viaje: custom slavonic-like alphabet for ro language notation, in use a few decades in 19th century ; all extant matter printed by hand-made (and VERY poorly crafted) blocks, literally no two glyphs are alike
stjohn_piano_2: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914414 << interesting.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-17 17:10 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914364 << this is quite similar to the direct ancestor of v , jurov's trb mailing list system .
stjohn_piano_2: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914458 << yes. also, easier to scoop up dice again for next throw.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-17 22:33 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914441 << this is good q imho. the only reason i can think of for 'throw dice on flat table', is to avoid 'came to rest sharp edge up', which can introduce 'must either throw again, or pick between numbers by hand ' etc
stjohn_piano_2: i logged and summarised my experience of joining the web of trust (probably of interest mostly to noobs): http://edgecase.net/articles/joining_the_web_of_trust
diana_coman: stjohn_piano_2: re ^ , an OTP challenge is a way to check one's identity; hence, deedbot will not send an OTP in response to !!register but WILL send an OTP in response to ~any other command (technically to any command that is a request of *someone* i.e. that requires an identity)
diana_coman: also, this http://edgecase.net/pages/how_to_comment_on_edgecase_datafeed is rather anti-comment; why would anyone go through the trouble of creating an account and having their comment "discussed" to talk to you stjohn_piano_2 ?
diana_coman: anyway, since I'm not going to jump through those silly hooks now, I'll leave it here: you can message deedbot/any user privately directly, you don't need to join some channel first; and re newcomers, it's usually safer for themselves to join one of the lords' channels first, really (e.g. #asciilifeform, #trinque, #eulora)
diana_coman: hoops not hooks, lolz.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-22 12:51 diana_coman: stjohn_piano_2: re ^ , an OTP challenge is a way to check one's identity; hence, deedbot will not send an OTP in response to !!register but WILL send an OTP in response to ~any other command (technically to any command that is a request of *someone* i.e. that requires an identity)
stjohn_piano_2: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-22#1914933 << this is the comment policy for the wider internet.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-22 13:06 diana_coman: also, this http://edgecase.net/pages/how_to_comment_on_edgecase_datafeed is rather anti-comment; why would anyone go through the trouble of creating an account and having their comment "discussed" to talk to you stjohn_piano_2 ?
stjohn_piano_2: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-22#1914934 << aha. yes, for the moment, this is how i can handle comments from people in the forum.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-22 13:09 diana_coman: anyway, since I'm not going to jump through those silly hooks now, I'll leave it here: you can message deedbot/any user privately directly, you don't need to join some channel first; and re newcomers, it's usually safer for themselves to join one of the lords' channels first, really (e.g. #asciilifeform, #trinque, #eulora)
stjohn_piano_2: i add comments manually to the data at present. in future, i may construct an automated system that can accept signed comments.
diana_coman: stjohn_piano_2: but why such high-bar for what is meant as a public-facing i.e. by definition wider-public-interaction thing anyway?
stjohn_piano_2: it's certainly public-facing, but i have little interest in interaction with speech that does not come from an established identity of some sort.
diana_coman: well yes, but think of it: you are effectively making it *hard* for people (with established identities so those you say you do want to hear from) to provide feedback to you on the grounds that you don't want to bother with everyone; i.e. you are effectively unloading your work onto those who may be able to/willing to help you; doesn't seem a winning strategy to me.
diana_coman: and note that I would certainly NOT go about providing signed comments wtf
diana_coman: it's the equivalent of "because some people are not worth talking to, you shall show me your passport/ID card every time you want to talk to me (and at every reply even)"
stjohn_piano_2: i understand your point. i've thought about this quite a bit.
stjohn_piano_2: your comment has been published. i'm pleased that the comment system worked. yours is the first external comment.
stjohn_piano_2: there's several threads here. i'll go through them.
stjohn_piano_2: 1) until recently, no comment system existed. it is still experimental and manually driven. i am unsure about its final structure.
stjohn_piano_2: 2) this first-pass at a comments system makes it impossible for people without an identity to speak. established identities can speak, although it is hard, yes.
stjohn_piano_2: in future, this will become easier for established identities, as i work out how to automate parts of the process.
asciilifeform: stjohn_piano_2: consider mircea_popescu's [method][http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1496469] of spam control (his is wpistic, but can be ported); or asciilifeform's [somewhat simpler pill][http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-30#1906150].
a111: Logged on 2016-07-03 22:46 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2009/trilema-anti-spam/#selection-81.0-109.41 < section of interest.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-30 15:49 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in olds, asciilifeform's 'xor 2 small numbers'+'say fg baud' spam filter seems to be 100% effective (a 1st?!) -- 0 spams in trap since installed ( legit comments , not many , but work -- tho there were never many )
stjohn_piano_2: 3) there may be an approach to signed comments that does not involve the primary key: examples: a) sign with a subordinate key b) validate your current IP for a time period (e.g. a month / year) by decrypting an OTP, like deedbot.
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: i did consider both. ultimately, i decided to stay with identity-based commenting rather than take a sift-the-noise approach.
asciilifeform: stjohn_piano_2: with how much meat-powered spam was your www plagued, that this seemed like a good idea ?
stjohn_piano_2: ideally, 0.
stjohn_piano_2: ah, wait. so far, none, because i never permitted it.
asciilifeform: the typical result of 'heaviweight' spam trap is... the sounds of silence
mp_en_viaje: in other news, europe fucking sucks.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: lol, didja find an unexploded ordnance in the blueberry steak ?
mp_en_viaje: land of small dicked morons! so, they don't import magnum, because hurr durr, economically independent colony, they got their own. then, they don't fucking have durex extra large. because hurr durr.
mp_en_viaje: THEN!!! i end up having all of fucking central europe scoured by my mounted slutlegions, which produces "masculan XXL", a german brand.
mp_en_viaje: IT IS NARROWER THAN A HORSE'S DICK!!!
mp_en_viaje: apparently they think "xxl" means 1 cm width and 25 cm length. cuz totally, my dick comes on a spool or some other european retarded shit
asciilifeform always pictured mp_en_viaje with reusable hand-sewn sheepskin , like henry viii had
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-22#1914915 << wasn't re 'with what to earn bread', lol. was re stjohn_piano_2's 'what to learn to be of use here' q.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-22 11:34 stjohn_piano_2: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914395 << from logs + mocky's "why ada", i understand some of the technical merits of ada. however, my perception of the current job market is that trying to make a living at ada leads directly to a hardware sharashka.
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: this is not deliberately a spam trap. i had a choice while working: to build an open-access-point to the wider internet, or not to do so. i chose - not.
mp_en_viaje: no, apparently i gotta http://trilema.com/2011/cornul-abundentei-sau-ma-rog/ all over again. because nothing improved in a decade
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: aha. make sense.
mp_en_viaje: you'd think, you know, with all the fucking immigrants, they'd come to sense.
mp_en_viaje: but no, cuz gotta import fingerpenised arabs.
asciilifeform: stjohn_piano_2: we even have folx who dun have comment eater on their www at all. and iirc danielpbarron has only hand-cranked 'x wrote in re...' comments. but if you have automated comment box, imho the real win is to occasionally hear from intelligent heathens.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-22#1914917 << outta curiosity, what ties you to uk? afaik pythonism is not confined to uk
a111: Logged on 2019-05-22 11:37 stjohn_piano_2: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914400 << yes, tied to the UK. I'm currently looking for python dev work in Cambridge/Suffolk area.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-22#1914926 << might be interesting to look into how jp does ocr. (iirc they in fact have a working one for hieroglyphs, somehow)
a111: Logged on 2019-05-22 11:43 mp_en_viaje: custom slavonic-like alphabet for ro language notation, in use a few decades in 19th century ; all extant matter printed by hand-made (and VERY poorly crafted) blocks, literally no two glyphs are alike
mp_en_viaje: incidentally, speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-22#1914907 : the only reasonable construction on something like http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-21#1557757 (and there's A LOT of somethings like) would be "fellow was ordered to do something patently illegal, decided to stockpile documentary evidence".
a111: Logged on 2019-05-22 09:46 mp_en_viaje: meanwhile for the assange lulz files : http://archive.is/hSZDg#selection-81.318-81.344
a111: Logged on 2016-10-21 14:07 asciilifeform: (for folks who have not heard of this show trial - harold martin worked at nsa-tao and was arrested for, supposedly, taking the contents home by the crate.)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i.e. d00d was piling it up to show at nuremberg ? conceivable
asciilifeform: tho hilariously, imho, naive
stjohn_piano_2: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-22#1914978 << aha. well, currently, if intelligent heathen really wants to tell me his thoughts, he can create an account.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-22 14:15 asciilifeform: stjohn_piano_2: we even have folx who dun have comment eater on their www at all. and iirc danielpbarron has only hand-cranked 'x wrote in re...' comments. but if you have automated comment box, imho the real win is to occasionally hear from intelligent heathens.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, all civilised life is hilariously naive.
stjohn_piano_2: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-22#1914979 << i am not self-supporting. live with parents, focus on recovery and retraining self.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-22 14:17 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-22#1914917 << outta curiosity, what ties you to uk? afaik pythonism is not confined to uk
mp_en_viaje: follow the logic tho -- highly qualified tech did not get there through being gregarious or politically capable ; because his work is not readily replicable by the people who were gregarious and politically able, he is likely to be ordered things by them, which statistically will be illegal sometimes, and he is not likely to suddenly grow the missing parts and fix their stupid. so... red stapler exit.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: admits gradations. e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/fb/godsurge.png , might appear at nuremberg. martin's pile , went with him to crematorium, and i can't picture how this was surprise to him
mp_en_viaje: people more often do things to sate a gnawing perceived necessity to do something, than because they actually figured out a plan.
asciilifeform: this is so, and is how 'postal' generally worx
asciilifeform: !#s for piglet
a111: 14 results for "for piglet", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=for%20piglet
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-22#1914947 << amusingly enough, trilema deals with a commentary flow i'd say about the square of the people trying to solve the problem of dealing with comment flow, and yet i dun have their problems.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-22 13:51 diana_coman: it's the equivalent of "because some people are not worth talking to, you shall show me your passport/ID card every time you want to talk to me (and at every reply even)"
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i vaguely suspect that at this point, the other haroldmartins, entirely aware of the yellow dots, have burned their piles
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, seems unlikely. the sort of fellow never surrenders, there's this deeply inborn sentiment of invulnerability burning deep in the technomoron. more likely, they're taking it as a "challenge accepted", came up with who knows what ratty, nigger-rigged paliatives.
asciilifeform: if these folx had 'deep sense of invulnerability', they'd be posting it to net, neh?
mp_en_viaje: people keep heewing and hawing about "stem fields" and "intelligence". but neither correlates with reality. intelligence is immaterial, and the only meaningful definition of "stem fields" is after the fact -- "those fields which tend to attract technomorons, defined as those 5 yos who do not play well with others and think themselves invulnerable"
mp_en_viaje: there's nothing substantial about physics or math that make them any other way. it just so happens, for reasons entirely unrelated to math, that the sort of 5yo that will grow up into a technomoron will rather deal with math. had he preferred, for similar, purely subjective reasons, bricklaying or kite flying, THESE would be "advanced" and "require intelligence" and blablabla "stem"
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: was martin in fact a diplomaed 'techmoron' ? or simply bureaucrat
asciilifeform: iirc he was a generic paper-pusher
mp_en_viaje: he is the sort of guy who doesn't fuck a lot of women, doesn't speak a lot of languages, doesn't like reading things he doesn't know how to interpret and spends a lot of time fucking intricately with garbage.
mp_en_viaje: ie, "engineer".
mp_en_viaje: but there's nothing about ~engineering~ that warrants the association.
mp_en_viaje: you can tell, within an hour or (very often) less, by observing 5yos, whether they'll grow up to be "intelligent" or on the contrary, lawyers.
asciilifeform: iirc recent years' crops of reich.lawyers aren't esp. distinguishable from reich.engineers et al, also 'a lot of time fucking intricately with garbage' and the cultural level of sewer rat
mp_en_viaje: yes, most people become nothing.
mp_en_viaje: but at the root of the becoming, in those who do become something, is the problem of perceived vulnerability. there's no such thing as "introvert" or "extrovert", simply, some kids are afraid, and thus seek outside ; some kids are too dumb to be afraid, and thus spend a lot of time in intricacy.
mp_en_viaje: and yes, the welfare state has produced a lot of really dumb engineers, through the simple process of making a lot of parents comfortable. their kids become engineers not because anything to do with either engineering or intelligence -- but simply because that's the sort of thing kids with an invulnerability delusion do.
mp_en_viaje: which is how artefacts like that moron "security expert" who suspected colleagues of conspiring to alter her solitaire highscores are born. remember her /
asciilifeform: i suspect a simpler http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-18#1615386 mechanism
a111: Logged on 2017-02-18 22:29 asciilifeform: '... what was once dedication is replaced by greed and sometimes sheer need as the motivation to enter the field.'
mp_en_viaje: nobody needs anything.
asciilifeform: the same folx today 'go to engineer school' as became shoemakers in earlier times.
mp_en_viaje: quite -- the ones who didn't make soldiers.
mp_en_viaje: "Mai tot orașul fu mistuit de foc. Cazacii luară din Moldova 26 000 cai, 600 fete tinere."
asciilifeform: somebody gotta make boots for soldier.
mp_en_viaje: here, have some more : Un martor de față descrie astfel răzbunarea românilor asupra bieților locuitori ai Rusciucului: „Multă jale se făcu în ziua aceea și plângerile se înălțau până la ceruri. Toți s-au încărcat cu avere din destul, robi și roabe și-au luat cu prisos; nimica n-a scăpat din mâna lor. Gingașele turcoaice mult răsfățate, ce stau în veci închise, să le fi văzut atunci goale, desculțe, tăvălindu-se î
mp_en_viaje: n zăpadă, unele târâte de par, altele de mână; nu era ostaș care să nu ducă vro turcoaică."
mp_en_viaje: this is the glorybook of romanian history, "at some point in 1600, romanians suddenly and inexplicably stopped taking it up the ass, instead of 1ton of gold/year sent rape & pillage party to istanbul, got within 10 miles of city walls."
mp_en_viaje: so yes, the kids that didn't make soldiers, made ploughsmen. often, the exact same kids.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-22#1914957 << understand the problem -- if someone wishes to sign something, they're probably making a deed, which they'll publish on their own castle walls and on the republican deedpost. they
a111: Logged on 2019-05-22 14:05 stjohn_piano_2: 3) there may be an approach to signed comments that does not involve the primary key: examples: a) sign with a subordinate key b) validate your current IP for a time period (e.g. a month / year) by decrypting an OTP, like deedbot.
asciilifeform: soldier sometimes get home. ( in old ru empire -- after 20ys . ) then -- back to plough
mp_en_viaje: re very unlikely to sign anything for ~your~ convenience.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, naw, "go back home" means veteran gets land, comes with young cunt and serfs.
asciilifeform: that'd be a roman, eh
asciilifeform: how long this went.
mp_en_viaje: that'd be a soldier.
mp_en_viaje: long time. they were still doing it during venice (note that at the time merchant was how you said soldier)
mp_en_viaje: judging by the recent charlie sheen lulz, still going now.
mp_en_viaje: though admittedly most soldiers don't know what to ask of the cunts.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-22#1914993 << recovery from what ?
a111: Logged on 2019-05-22 14:23 stjohn_piano_2: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-22#1914979 << i am not self-supporting. live with parents, focus on recovery and retraining self.
asciilifeform: rome -- a++ soldiering. 'while supplies lasted' (of easy pickings.) but will note that central event of 20th c was that time when ~all of europistan went to go soldierin' , to get their 'land and young cunt serfs', and instead of lands and serfs ended up having arse handed to'em by ploughsmen , and went home to rebuild berlin, budapest, etc with 1 hand and 1 leg while learning to recite marx and lenin in translation
mp_en_viaje: yes well.
mp_en_viaje: came pretty close tho.
asciilifeform: 'sometimes sandwich eats you instead' or how it went.
mp_en_viaje: you will definitely notice how my vulnerability/invulnerability divide well underscores, both the situation of zee invaders (why did they invade ?) and of the invaded.
mp_en_viaje: i'm not, after all, saying whether the invulnerability delusion's reality-adequate or reality-inadequate. like all illusions, it proceeds irrespective of such considerations.
asciilifeform: in this scheme, recall the lulzdetails of how (in actuality, not his 'retcon') solzhenitsin ended up on all-expenses vacation
mp_en_viaje: but to bring this full circle -- the stockpiling fellows did not burn their stash, irrespective of what happened, what they were told happened, etc, because, fundamentally, they do not think reality applies to them. because if they had thought that, they'd never have been in their current position -- not for 20 years, not for 20 weeks, in point of fact not even for a week of their schooling. aged 5 they'd have opted off this path.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, aha.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-22#1915018 -> uhm, how do you define introvert/extrovert? possibly I'm too dumb to be afraid, dunno.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-22 14:39 mp_en_viaje: but at the root of the becoming, in those who do become something, is the problem of perceived vulnerability. there's no such thing as "introvert" or "extrovert", simply, some kids are afraid, and thus seek outside ; some kids are too dumb to be afraid, and thus spend a lot of time in intricacy.
mp_en_viaje: i don't define, it's human behaviour, what define.
diana_coman: well ok, how do you distinguish then?
mp_en_viaje: walk into a packed metro train, pull out a machine gun, hold everyone hostage for a few hours. at the end of the hours, some people in there will know everyone's names, and some other people there will know how many of everythings there were -- windows, cig butts on the floor, etc.
mp_en_viaje: while walking down the street, walk up to someone coming the other way and suddenly slap them hard. some will cry, some will yell.
diana_coman: fine but I don't see what that has to do with introvert vs extrovert
mp_en_viaje: intelligence has naight to do with this, however defined (leaving aside how it can't be defined) ; this divide correlates better with reals/humanities than any other.
diana_coman: and no, nothing to do with intelligence either, sure
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, i did say " there's no such thing as "introvert" or "extrovert"" as my only reference to the terms.
diana_coman: I suspect there is, but - as usual, I should say - not what it's nowadays "meant" by the terms; pretty much the usual capture-words-and-rend-them-meaningless as with love and everything else; a misnomer at best.
diana_coman: because no, there is certainly no correlation "maths -> introverts" or any such nonsense
mp_en_viaje: if there is, i don't see how it'd be defined outside of the invulnerability divide.
diana_coman: I don't quite grasp this invulnerability divide; to me it looks equally well "doesn't give a damn if gets killed" i.e. not "thinks himself invulnerable" but "thinks himself disposable"
mp_en_viaje: perhaps better phrased as "associates no meaning to existence"
diana_coman: not even sure how exactly do you distinguish between the two; this pile of X is more important than me; sure, X might be garbage but then perhaps obvious only later.
mp_en_viaje: well, you distinguish by prediction. "this bunch of lawyers will 100% change their behaviour on the slightest whiff of '''guidance''' ; this bunch of engineers will NEVER change their behaviour, no matter the fuck what happens".
diana_coman: i.e. this bunch will do as told, this bunch won't do as told? are they manageable or aren't they?
mp_en_viaje: not really, nobody's manageable, the former examtake.
mp_en_viaje: this bunch will talk to girls, this bunch won't talk to girls.
mp_en_viaje: they have comparable nuptiality rates anyway
diana_coman: quite; part of why I don't get it: the former examtake so it's not like they are actually any more reality-anchored as far as I can see
diana_coman: the former examtake, the latter focus on the wrong exam
mp_en_viaje: well, it's a misstated question, "who's the more bear-aware, he who says there's no bear or he who says that bear's a cat"
mp_en_viaje: technically you could say the negative statement requires less bearness to manufacture.
diana_coman: so the afraid divide would be this sort of technicality? it's not that some are afraid so seek outside while others are too dumb to be afraid and focus on intricacy but rather that both are afraid but some deal with it by different pretending?
mp_en_viaje: well yes.
mp_en_viaje: illusion is illusion, question is which comes naturally.
diana_coman: uhm; why is one un-natural, I don't get it.
mp_en_viaje: well, a person will pick something.
mp_en_viaje: whatever they pick, they get better at.
diana_coman: yes, but both choices are as natural as they get
mp_en_viaje: you familiar with the theory saying that the one deciding factor of a young researcher's lifetime field of study is "what provides results first" ?
mp_en_viaje: yes, in and of themselves, of course they are. all natural numbers are equally natural as such. just, nobody tends to ever pick 11103048503480534588333
diana_coman: among other piles of nonsense, I've heard this one too, yess
mp_en_viaje: 7 however...
mp_en_viaje: anyway, kid picks one, gets better at it, keeps picking it again and again and there you go, "personality"
diana_coman: well, that sounds like "this choice is easier to make hence we'll call it natural", is that what you mean?
mp_en_viaje: "just as innate as homosexuality" "butt ofcourse"
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, i just mean "comes natural to x".
diana_coman: as long as it's all about "words", it just about amounts to that in all cases, yes; it can't amount to anything else anyway, since it's always something else, as convenient basically.
mp_en_viaje: i didn't parse that!
diana_coman: it seems to me that it all gets mired into the current use of "personality" and "stem" and "introvert" to mean nothing at all/anything that is convenient; essentially I don't think they are what is currently claimed (intelligent -> stem!!! or whatever other nonsense) but I don't think that there is nothing real otherwise, either (rather: I don't know).
diana_coman: as with the deciding factor for young researcher's lifetime: it is even true for current "research" , sure but...
diana_coman: it has to do with current "research" ended up being, not with actual deciding factors for research
mp_en_viaje: i dunno it gets mired in anything ; obviously if one uses copernican model to discuss ptolemaic astronomy one will end up with a lot of ptolemaic astronomy discussion. doesn't invalidate the heliocentric system tho.
mp_en_viaje: let's see if we can make some statements out of which that can be discussed individually.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/i-give-you-something-new/ << Trilema -- I give you... Something New!
diana_coman: I suppose I don't grok what the equivalent of the heliocentric system is here, precisely.
mp_en_viaje: 1. there is no such thing as intelligence ; 2. the humanities-divinities divide, however redefined (whether you call divinities "natural sciences" or "peri-physeios" or "stem" or whatever else) do not translate a difference in degree of brain function, but merely different patterns of behaviour ;
mp_en_viaje: 3. there is no such thing as "a personality" ; 4. what passes for any individual human's personality is the result of a markov process : certain strategies, once made, increase the choosers' skill, thereby increasing the probability of the same strategies being deployed in the future. thus, properly speaking, a list of strategy-skilllevel would completely describe (in the sense of predictability) the individual
mp_en_viaje: 5. the strategies in question are few enough to be readily enumerable ; 6. chief among them, the strategy in dealing with the subjective-objective disparity : either deny the meaning of the objective (which is how you get "scientists") or else pretend subjectivity is meaningful (which is how you get "scholars").
mp_en_viaje: in order to learn a foreign language, you must first and foremost lie to yourself : by pretending others can make sense to you.
mp_en_viaje: in order to discover radioactivity, you must first and foremost lie to yourself : by pretending a rock could never kill you.
diana_coman is reading
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: in order to cross street and buy a bag of potato, 'must first lie to yourself and believe that..' a garbage truck with defective brakes could never kill you
asciilifeform: dun seem all that specific.
asciilifeform: 1-4 seem like restatement of old man skinner.
mp_en_viaje: i somehow fail to see the problem.
asciilifeform: there aint necessarily 'problem'. the described theory doesn't immediately contradict observables. but where predictive ?
mp_en_viaje: for instance http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-22#1915006
a111: Logged on 2019-05-22 14:32 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, seems unlikely. the sort of fellow never surrenders, there's this deeply inborn sentiment of invulnerability burning deep in the technomoron. more likely, they're taking it as a "challenge accepted", came up with who knows what ratty, nigger-rigged paliatives.
asciilifeform: erryone is walking around with 'sense of invulnerability' in this sense tho. incl. the squirrel crossing road.
mp_en_viaje: kinda how the whole theory ended up even stated, by pulling on "why" thread of that prediction.
mp_en_viaje: squirrel, eys. animals, as oft discussed here, make for some excellent scientists. both your raccoons and my jar-captive mouse etc.
asciilifeform: housefly even better 'scientist' them, can buzz in glass jar for days after mouse expires
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: hm, the "personality/intelligence" part was to my mind related to *how much better does one get at x strategy if they pick it once vs at y strategy if they pick it once" i.e. sure, everyone gets better at whatever they pick but not at the same rate
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile otaku... not scientist.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, agreed, not at the same rate.
mp_en_viaje: though in general, the same individual would get better at any strategy they'd happen to pick at ~same rate.
asciilifeform: incidentally the smarts and persistence of raccoon , i suspect , are much overblown. at 1 time i had two traps set next to 1 another, and 4 out of 5 specimens ended up springing ~both~, 1 with each hand
mp_en_viaje: this is where that naggumism re "random element in everyone's life" comes in : chance plays a role specifically because circumstance may seem to randomly favour some strategies.
diana_coman: hm, you are basically saying that there is only a... quality/speed of learning of the individual that applies equally to any choice they make i.e. there is no difference more specific than that?
mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, Teresa H. Shea, last mentioned in 2014 (for siphoning usg money through husban's inqtel) now "working" for raytheon.
asciilifeform: ( there was a fascinating film clip i once saw, where raccoon was shot in the spine, in such a way that only bottom half paralyzed; and he happily attempted to eat own spilled guts. i could not help but remember rms and his 'toe jam'... )
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, pretty much.
diana_coman: or coming at it from the other side that those choices (deny meaning of objective or pretend subjective has meaning to keep it within the model) do not have any significant difference of requirements
mp_en_viaje: they do not -- being illusionary, all that's required is the subject's mind.
mp_en_viaje: take this woman -- she "moved" from bethesda, md to ashton heights, va, to die. before that, from ellicott to bethesda, to "work" (from "govt" to "public sector"). before that she lived in urbana, went to school. neither intelligence nor personality are to any degree involved -- she just did what she knew how to do.
mp_en_viaje: it's an universal situation.
diana_coman: myeah, but that was I thought the starting point of the "differences" precisely that the requirements on the subject's mind are different i.e. that it's not just a matter of overall flexibility of the mind or whatevers but rather some more specific characteristics
mp_en_viaje: i am well persuaded it's a matter of chance.
diana_coman files this under the "I don't yet know what it is; work in progress."
diana_coman: I do agree though that past behaviour is very indicative of future behaviour for people in general so in this sense yes, predictive.
mp_en_viaje: also explains the empirical support (such as it is) of the "you can do anything" crowd.
mp_en_viaje: "if you've made 50 skill points in 20 years, ~any skill tree loadout worth 50 points total would be ~equally achievable for you"
asciilifeform: simply variant of soy sausage. 'you can [pretend to self] to do anything' is elementarily true. doesn't have much to do with the q of who can or cannot ~factually~ do sumthing.
mp_en_viaje: no, i meant factually.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje's hypothesis, like other 'freudisms', is 1 of those 'simple and clean' items that stands for just so long as you throw out the contradictory inputs. e.g. folx like that same newton, heaviside, tesla, etc who in so far as anyone knows, couldn't even get their cocks to stand on demand, yet still somehow added up to something, despite not fitting mp_en_viaje's [conception of ubermensch][http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-22#1915
a111: Logged on 2013-04-26 20:53 truffles: im focused on other times so its not a big deal
a111: Logged on 2019-05-22 14:35 mp_en_viaje: he is the sort of guy who doesn't fuck a lot of women, doesn't speak a lot of languages, doesn't like reading things he doesn't know how to interpret and spends a lot of time fucking intricately with garbage.
mp_en_viaje: how's this related ?
diana_coman: except what is achievable is always a matter of what one can+has to pay for the achievement rather than the "worth" of the achievement so that worth 50 points total sounds dubious; sure, you can make progress in any direction you choose but that's about it
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, well, what did you have in mind re achievement ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: related in that it's a restatement of ye olde 'errybody who aint an exact replica of mircea_popescu is a tard and oughta slice lengthwise' leitmotif, imho.
mp_en_viaje: because you asked me about martin fellow ?
asciilifeform: specifically in re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-22#1915018 .
a111: Logged on 2019-05-22 14:39 mp_en_viaje: but at the root of the becoming, in those who do become something, is the problem of perceived vulnerability. there's no such thing as "introvert" or "extrovert", simply, some kids are afraid, and thus seek outside ; some kids are too dumb to be afraid, and thus spend a lot of time in intricacy.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: do this clearly defined X here; something defined externally to the subject since "you can do anything" aka nothing to do with "you" as there is no difference between one you or another
mp_en_viaje: i have like dozen+ articles dealing with the converse strategy, all them fetlife lulz etc, you know. i'm fair and balanced!
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, there's a group of people / cult that keep pushing this angle whereby kids can learn any skill or trade they want, and all that bla bla. there is ~some~ empirical support for their theory, tjough not nearly as much as they like to pretend.
asciilifeform: sovok was the ultimate test ground for this notion. take 9000 childrens and force'em from age 4 to chess, ballet, etc. and found that indeed from 1000, 1-2 will perform on world class. but certainly at no point was there 'erry child' delusion entertained.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: you mean as a direct application of the previous one gets better at same rate no matter what choice they make?
mp_en_viaje: ~anything you want~. part of the saving grace of the ustardian formulation is that 6yos generally don't seek sex, etc. people tend to want things they can represent.
diana_coman: perhaps better stated as "anything you actually need"
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, i'm saying that the guy who is within the top 1% mathematicians could also have been within the top 0.5-2% historians, dancers or public women, and that what exact words you use don't matter, because much before any substantial skill or craft there's the 5yo's set of choices.
asciilifeform: if brain of kid was infinitely plastic, as implied in the 'no such thing as talent' item, sovok would have eaten the 'civilized' world for lunch, like the neanderthals are thought to have been eaten by modern man. but for some reason nodice.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, nowhere in this is a promise of "make better people"
mp_en_viaje: brain of kid ~is~ infinitely plastic, in the simple sense that kid who tries avoidant and keeps trying avoidant will grow up to be an excellent goth, whose poetry nobody understands ; had it tried opposite strategy would have been EQUALLY excellent cheerleader, whose sluttiness nobody understands.
diana_coman: and before the 5yo's set of choices there is nothing but chance?
diana_coman: ultimately everything is chance I suppose so in this sense yes
mp_en_viaje: something happens, right ? kid's gotta do something, not outwardly, but inwardly. put a label on the newly acquired sack of chaos. which label does his mind's hand reach for ?
diana_coman: does it reach at random though?
mp_en_viaje: i'd say which is chance. step 1 of the markov process, even balanced, why not. for all the diff it makes, might as well be.
asciilifeform: somehow, where the 9000 children and trainer with heavy spiked club, and reduced element of chance to the strictly biological, still 1-2 champs and not 9000.
mp_en_viaje: then successive steps change the situation, what was chosen before is both more likely to "work" (as the kid has re-defined working) and to be chosen.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, strictly biological amply plentiful anyway.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: indeed, and afaik to the point where the rest seems like hardly necessary hypothesis
mp_en_viaje: hm ?
asciilifeform: the idea that it matters what happens to 6yo in the wild. entirely possib that all the interesting dice were rolled long before kid can even speak.
mp_en_viaje: doesn't seem likely
mp_en_viaje: if it were the case, then there'd be no such things as the doctor-turned-art-critic etc.
asciilifeform: afaik changes of profession in adulthood where result was 'world class' are few/nonexistent
mp_en_viaje: i know a bunch.
asciilifeform: if they're art experts, i'ma have to take mp_en_viaje's word, asciilifeform is not equipped to evaluate 'world class'
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, didn't your favourite chemist take up literature ?
asciilifeform: lol which 1
asciilifeform: schwartz ? i think he took up... whiskey
asciilifeform: ( fella was 'literator', of a sort, from childhood, incidentally. like e.g. knuth (didjaknow) )
asciilifeform: thinking about it, i dun think i ever met what could be described as a thinking fella, who didn't write at least into a desk
mp_en_viaje: or picked onions or set his vcr.
asciilifeform: lol iirc schwartz himself had a piece on 'those who did not set vcr'
asciilifeform: ( recall btw when one could apply similar 'litmus' to pc folx ? 'why didntcha set yer bios clock!' )
asciilifeform: variety of offered answers was astonishing. but i dun think i met 1 who was honest and replied 'my hands grow from arse'
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/05/us-airforce-and-journalist-suffer-cyber-attacks-conducted-by-us-navy-jag/ << Qntra -- US Airforce And Journalist Suffer Cyber Attacks Conducted By US Navy JAG
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-19#1914718 << I will definitely read, and am still interested in eventually visiting. Though I will say after reading the various threads re:escape from last week I have a lot more clarity on wtf I should be doing in the shorter-term. I may have to wait a bit before a Uruguay trip
a111: Logged on 2019-05-19 22:17 BingoBoingo to the blogging desk to assemble more Uruguay perspectives with lobbes and whaack showing interest in visiting the place.
lobbes: Long-story short, I woke up one morning and came to the realization that I have not been saving and am headed towards ye olde http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1875979; panicked, etc. Then I cooled it for a second and continued reading, came across http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-19#1914702 and realized that me running to xyz without any idea of what I'd *do* is not any better than what I'm doing now.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-29 17:10 Mocky: in truth i do feel like idjit for being old man without the brains to have saved anything. i don't even have a workshop full of shit like asciilifeform
a111: Logged on 2019-05-19 03:09 trinque: not telling you not to leave, nor where to live. just remember that you need to have something you *do* wherever you go.
lobbes: (i.e. the approach vs flee dilemma of problem solving)
a111: Logged on 2018-10-16 03:30 mircea_popescu: this should be approached rather thjan fled from
lobbes: Whether I like it or not, I am currently in a http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-19#1914704 situation. Problem is that while I have been measuring, I have not been stealing enough nor have I set any time horizon for escape. It is now clear to me that I must remedy this before I can really do anything else.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-19 05:46 mp_en_viaje: this is the cornerstone of survival : the adversative relationship. as long as you know you're there to steal, you measure how much you steal, and you get out on some sort of time horizon, you may survive.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-22#1915196 << if it helps you any, imo (as well as in the opinion of ~all successful merchants of the original most serene republic, along with ALL other successful merchants, up to and including the phanarioti Ἰωάννης Γεώργιος Καρατζάς), "saving" is a misnomer. you may expend a ~SMALL~ fraction of your income. not save a small fraction thereof. living on 1-2-3% of what you make, aged 20 to 30
a111: Logged on 2019-05-22 19:08 lobbes: Long-story short, I woke up one morning and came to the realization that I have not been saving and am headed towards ye olde http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1875979; panicked, etc. Then I cooled it for a second and continued reading, came across http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-19#1914702 and realized that me running to xyz without any idea of what I'd *do* is not any better than what I'm doing now.
mp_en_viaje: , is the ticket.
asciilifeform: with the obv. caveat
a111: Logged on 2016-04-01 17:24 mircea_popescu: saving never worked.
asciilifeform: ( incidentally, given as there's a pete_dushenski thread in there -- loox like his www has been stone-dead for coupla wks nao )
asciilifeform: there was a time when plebe could 'compound' for 30+yrs , and leave a small fortune that buys a http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-07#1265005 for each of 3 sons. but this was a historical anomaly imho.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-17 22:19 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: guess what else they taught in ameri-hs (e.g. 'if you put in 100 $ , yr later can have 105' , and other meanwhile-retracted 'communism by 1980' promiseisms )
a111: Logged on 2015-09-07 04:00 mircea_popescu: in the 50s a bank CLERK lived in roughly what alf thinks palatial.
asciilifeform: btw in ye olde sovok, coupla million frugal orcs saved up what was by any rights small fortunes. 100% evaporated in '90s. cuz 'currency realigned', on top of 'oh, you own your flat? so cute! how about it now costs you $maxint to pay our 'security service' here , if you dun want tadjiks moving into it next week' etc
asciilifeform: iirc mp_en_viaje had a piece re how 'not even beelzebub can save the passive from the active' or how did it go.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( incidentally, given as there's a pete_dushenski thread in there -- loox like his www has been stone-dead for coupla wks nao ) << It recently started loading for me again
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i see a 403.
BingoBoingo: I see that he just posted a new poast
BingoBoingo: Though his site loaded slowly in pieces
asciilifeform: interestingly, loads from dulap
asciilifeform: he must've banned my usual ip block
asciilifeform: i look at his site erry coupla months. e.g. curious whether anyone bought his gold-plated fg.
asciilifeform: in other noose, finally fucking 100% correct peh colourizer (coded by O(...) runtime of command) etc.
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/091-decalog.html << The Tar Pit -- Decalog
a111: Logged on 2019-05-22 19:39 asciilifeform: in other noose, finally fucking 100% correct peh colourizer (coded by O(...) runtime of command) etc.
mp_en_viaje: spyked, some very sad http://trilema.com/2017/the-world-has-changed/ shit right there.
asciilifeform: ( for nitpickers : the last comment is a lie, screenshit is from uncorrected ancient draft )
asciilifeform: summary of colours: O(bitness) (i.e. the cheapest) ops are marked in green; super-linear but subquadratic ops (e.g. *, S) -- brown; the most expensive ops (e.g. MX), and ones with potentially 'infinite' cost (e.g. ?) , red; ops which affect control flow ( : , various Q ) are inverted-red ; ops which affect registers -- purple; constants - black; function defs/invocations -- blue/reverseblue respectively. errything else i think self-e
asciilifeform: scheme is designed to be reasonably printer-friendly, fwiw.
asciilifeform: (i.e. still loox readable on b&w , and nothing 'screamingly' garish imho )
asciilifeform: if anyone really loathes the given colours, nao is the time to speak, i'd prefer not to change these going forward.
asciilifeform gently prods mp_en_viaje , the 1 fella i know to have mutant eye
diana_coman: asciilifeform: nice; colours look ok to me.
lobbes: same; looks ok to my eyes
asciilifeform: the colours, note, are not strictly decorative, idea is that they will slightly make easier the job of reader in estimating the cpu cost ( and following the control flow ) of a given proggy
asciilifeform: ( hey mp_en_viaje , which 1 of the knob settings in e.g. https://www.color-blindness.com/coblis-color-blindness-simulator/ were you ? )
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-22#1915203 << this does help, ty. And I guess at the root of it all is http://trilema.com/2013/regarding-money/#selection-107.66-107.411, of which a takeaway may be "don't render yourself lame"..
a111: Logged on 2019-05-22 19:13 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-22#1915196 << if it helps you any, imo (as well as in the opinion of ~all successful merchants of the original most serene republic, along with ALL other successful merchants, up to and including the phanarioti Ἰωάννης Γεώργιος Καρατζάς), "saving" is a misnomer. you may expend a ~SMALL~ fraction of your income. not save a small fraction thereof. living on 1-2-3% of what you make, aged 20 to 30
lobbes: asciilifeform: that's a pretty nifty color-blindness simulator. I'ma have to save for later (I work with someone who is colorblind in meatspace; never sure what is infuriating to his eye)
asciilifeform: lobbes: i randomly pulled it off the net. at one time i had a lcd with built-in one, but sadly retired it coupla yrs ago
asciilifeform: iirc e.g. 'gimp' also has knob for this, but couldn't recall immediately where
lobbes: http://www.thetarpit.org/posts/y05/090-tmsr-work-ii.html#selection-197.31-205.258 << I wager there's a good chance you'll publish a genesis of tbnl/hunchentoot before I eat through mod_lisp, but I agree: as pieces emerge, we can sync up, regrind as needed, etc.
lobbes: As it stands I have two full pages of hand-written notes with various c and apache-stack likbez, and that was just so I could understand up to line 152 of https://github.com/mbattyani/mod_lisp/blob/master/mod_lisp2.c (only 900 or so lines left to eat). I most likely will publish these notes as a blog post once all is said and done
lobbes bbl, meat
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/05/british-firm-arm-breaking-contracts-with-huawei/ << Qntra -- British Firm ARM Breaking Contracts With Huawei
asciilifeform: 'The ban also appeared to apply to ARM China, the China-based company in which ARM Holdings owns a 49% stake' << lol!
BingoBoingo: I dunno if the "US sanctions" wank is going to survive 2025
asciilifeform: usg : 'and naao, to prove that yer a loyal cockeater, lop off left arm' uk : 'will do'
asciilifeform: 'They’re not going to be able to easily replace these parts with new, in-house designs - the semiconductor industry in China is nascent.' << rly nao
BingoBoingo: I don't see why they'd do anything other than rebrand and stop paying licenses
BingoBoingo: Note ARM can't stop shipping chips because they can't fab.
BingoBoingo: The question is how long will it take the white worms to realize their "license" revenue isn't going to keep them fat anymore
BingoBoingo: In other news, there was a general strike for a few hours today. Other than parade fucking with traffic the impact was ~0
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: whole huawei episode seems rather like a replay of the 1980s 'ohnoez, mustn't sell pdp11 to warsaw pact' lulz
BingoBoingo: Except Warsaw Pact and US economies didn't interact in quite this way
asciilifeform: not quite ~this~, naturally, but -- interacted. idjit sovok brass could've, e.g., left usg 100% without titanium any day of the week. ( but didn't , just had to have that delish usd.. )
asciilifeform: funnily enuff they're ~still~ shipping it.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-22#1915233 << i dun see a problem.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-22 20:08 asciilifeform gently prods mp_en_viaje , the 1 fella i know to have mutant eye
asciilifeform: aite then
asciilifeform: i could've sworn that mp_en_viaje once said he had mutated blue/green cone or what was it.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, a weaker case of deuteranomaly than there displayed with an even weaker case of protanomaly.
asciilifeform: if all of the colours still look distinct, then for this purpose suffices.
mp_en_viaje: as long as you don't have me distinguish plain yellow from crude green you're fine
asciilifeform: no yellows, lol, they give headache
mp_en_viaje: you know ?
mp_en_viaje: imo this good rule of thumb in professional colorization anyway. if you're so badly stuck you need yellow/green border, time to think of adding pedals instead.
asciilifeform is not a professional colorizer, but has done this kinda thing before, and knows the obvious rakes that get stepped on
mp_en_viaje: anyway, the mutantism is that i apparently see like parrots, ie, well into uv spectrum.
asciilifeform: funnily enuff i also
asciilifeform: ( it dun come in esp. handy, on most days, tho )
mp_en_viaje: it's fucking terrible, an yclub with "cool" black lights is instabanned
asciilifeform: for asciilifeform at least was pretty simple fix, he wears specs and always has'em coated with uv absorber whenever gets new pair made
mp_en_viaje: bane of my fucking existence, the leds. twenty years ago i could safely go on greyhound trip around. not anymore -- every two bit blue collar driver thinks the best way to improve his life is add some 10 cent uv leds randomly aroundm.
mp_en_viaje: i don't wear glasses. i still got most of my 60/20 vision from youth!
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's brother fwiw similar
mp_en_viaje: coulda made great sniper in a diff time.
asciilifeform: some folx have iron eye, stands up to focal length abuse without any complaint
a111: Logged on 2019-05-22 22:27 BingoBoingo: I don't see why they'd do anything other than rebrand and stop paying licenses
asciilifeform: near as i can tell, arm inc. is exactly microshit, i.e. somehow charging megabux for 'license' to use their megatonne of bugridden cisc ??? pileashit
asciilifeform: the real puzzler is why chinese paid for as long as they did
asciilifeform: ( esp. given that all patents on, e.g., mips, expired 20+yrs ago )
mp_en_viaje: so they could eat the market.
mp_en_viaje: why did petrus play the servant for as long as he did ?
asciilifeform: i guess could. nao time for lenin's ' who said 'a', must also say 'b' ', or how it went.
asciilifeform: i expect time for china to say 'b'..
mp_en_viaje: seems to be saying.
BingoBoingo: I mean its not like China has their MIPS alternative anywhere visible
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they had the 'dragon' thing, aka 'rms laptop' 'loongson'. afaik folded.
BingoBoingo: Well, what could have went into that would have not gone into eating the market
BingoBoingo: Huawei switches and routers however have some rather beefy MIPS chips
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik all reich designs. near as i can tell, china succumbed to the old sovok disease, where 'let's make reich-compat. chips so that we can use warez'
BingoBoingo: Huawei already owns the high end fondleslab pNohe market outside the US. Not like they can't use owning the market to shift what the warez is.
asciilifeform: chinese ~could~ learn to write proggies themselves, but for some reason afaik no signs of this yet.
asciilifeform has had the misfortune of reading some of their attempts. ~same flavour as 'india coad' generally.
BingoBoingo: And how does that materially differ from Google?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: google has dozen or so people who can sorta write.
asciilifeform: if china does, it's a deep seekrit.
asciilifeform: ( fwiw they're all imported orc hands )
asciilifeform: google's, that is.
asciilifeform: we've seen this film before, sovok also had the notion 'software, eh, unimportant, let the буржуи write it an' we'll crib'
asciilifeform: those empty blocks they mine, is as clear a symptom as any.
BingoBoingo: Shame Mandarin as a single language appears potentially more crippling than English on an individual level (on a population level, very organized).