feedbot: http://thewhet.net/2019/03/hanbots-cuntoo-bake-test-notes-part-iii-with-prep-script/ << The Whet -- hanbot's Cuntoo Bake Test Notes - Part III, with Prep Script
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-06#1900726 <-- incidentally, there is some overlap between logotron web interface and web-based img pastetron: both need www code, which I will genesis as soon as I have a working item
a111: Logged on 2019-03-06 23:12 mircea_popescu: well eg in lobbes 's case there's also an auction thing, and the archiving bit, and so on ; in spyked's case there's also a lot of rss and so on.
spyked: moreover, the same item will be useful for adding comments to thetarpit's cl blogotron, implementing mp-wp-anti-spam for the same, etc.
asciilifeform: seems to be in medical school or sumthing like.
BingoBoingo: In other news, power and internet down in Vzla
BingoBoingo: Apparently dam sabotage is involved
asciilifeform: humanitarian(tm)(r) democratic(tm)(r) sabotage
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/03/venezuelas-guri-dam-and-simon-bolivar-hydroelectric-plant-sabotaged-leading-to-blackouts/ << Qntra -- Venezuela's Guri Dam And Simn Bolvar Hydroelectric Plant Sabotaged Leading To Blackouts
asciilifeform: 'US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said Maduro’s government only has itself to blame for power shortages in Venezuela, noting sarcastically that “Maduro’s policies bring nothing but darkness.”' << lol!!
BingoBoingo: That's Madame Secretary
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile local derps trying to statnerd over Uruguay being relatively expensive without a discussion of the Ham scam https://archive.is/DqocT
feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/03/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-november-and-december-1715-part-vi/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of November and December, 1715. - Part VI.
hanbot: woke up to my latest cuntoo boostrap.sh tryout to find it hanging on this input request: "Gentoo Linux support (GENTOO_LINUX) [Y/n/?] (NEW)", this after "Restart config...". I take it this is some sorta flag, but what am i yes/no-ing here? what kinda question is that?!
asciilifeform: hanbot: i can tell you ~what~ you saw, tho not yet why : the linux kernel make starts asking itemized config q's if it sees sumthing in the given config that dun add up to something 'menuconfig' could have shat out, by its lights ( e.g. a module for $device is enabled, but 1 of its deps aint )
asciilifeform: hanbot: this also happens when you used a config baked for a certain kernel, but then feed it to another (usually moar recent) kernel's make
asciilifeform: it sees sumthing unexpected, and switches to manual derpery
asciilifeform: nao what i do not know, is how this scenario can play out using trinque's cuntoo kit -- iirc he includes both a particular kernel source and a config (for 1 of his irons) that was known to be edible by it
asciilifeform: hanbot: did you perchance hand-tune something in that config prior to building kernel ?
asciilifeform: 'found I could replicate mod6's process of copying the .config file in /usr/src/linux into the cuntoo/config directory' suggests that this build was using a non-trinqueian .config ?
asciilifeform: where did the copied one come from orig.?
asciilifeform: !!up lobbes_field
deedbot: lobbes_field voiced for 30 minutes.
lobbes_field: Fwiw, the same happened to me with all my cuntoo runs that used my own 'custom' kernel config (versus trinque's provided config).
lobbes_field: Ty asciilifeform
asciilifeform: lobbes_field: imho it's an asinine default behaviour of linus's builder ; tho the alternative ( build a ball of ??? that fails to boot ) may be equally asinine
asciilifeform: so he took the 'simpler evil'
hanbot: asciilifeform it's just copied from the .config in /usr/src/linux on the liveusb
asciilifeform: hanbot: that answers it then. that one contains some flag that trinque's kernel has nfi what to do with.
asciilifeform: and, annoyingly, won't say which.
asciilifeform: ( this is to be brought up at linus's impalement )
asciilifeform: the way i handle this , is when building kernel with an older config, i use the menuconfig util, and have it eat the prev config
asciilifeform: then manually walk over the result
asciilifeform: this is prolly not an answr that will make hanbot happy. the only good news is, this only gotta be done 1ce per kernel-iron combo.
asciilifeform: iirc trinque had an experimental proggy that takes a running kernel's lspci / lsmod output, and diddles an existing config so as to give a kernel that boots on $iron . but afaik not yet published.
asciilifeform: ( if you were to take trinque's example config, your kernel will boot but will panic when looks for root partition, as it won't find that iron's raid card )
asciilifeform: hanbot: see if you can build using http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/conf_current.conf , it is an asciilifeform-sewn config for the specific iron you happen to be on
asciilifeform: ( trimmed manually )
asciilifeform: all pizarro-owned x86 boxen in the rack, are currently using this config
hanbot: ty asciilifeform, will give it a whirl.
asciilifeform: ( and of course the snsa-operated dulap )
asciilifeform: hanbot: lemme know if you run into barf
asciilifeform: hanbot: if it ends up asking you q's , like prev. time, feel free to press 'enter' and let it give the default answers -- they come from the existing config (when available) and from default of the given kernel's (if not) . this generally gives bootable kernel, that you can trim later at your leisure.
asciilifeform: ( i.e. it ~may~ end up containing useless modules, that you will later want to cut out, but ~will~ contain the necessaries given in the supplied config )
lobbes_field: ^^ was the approach I took. Accepted defaults n' manually walked it after I confirmed it booted
asciilifeform: since mircea_popescu is asleep, i'ma 'fill in' for him and note ftr that the necessity for this process is indeed a warcrime of the gnutards, and really not how sane configurator of any kind oughta work
asciilifeform: sadly it's how the current ball o'crapola worx.
asciilifeform: why linus et al did not supply a ready-built http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900938 util, remains a mystery to asciilifeform , just as he found it mystery in '90s
a111: Logged on 2019-03-08 18:05 asciilifeform: iirc trinque had an experimental proggy that takes a running kernel's lspci / lsmod output, and diddles an existing config so as to give a kernel that boots on $iron . but afaik not yet published.
asciilifeform: the obv hypothesis is that the gnutards ended up happy with the position where 'priesthood' builds kernels and users blindly eat the binaries, etc
mod6: hanbot: I did see these questions pop up too while doing the cuntoo bootstrap. This in particular happened to me after I copied my working gentoo kernel from /usr/src/linux/.config to cuntoo/myCopiedConfig, then replaced all of the =m with =y ( sed -i 's/=m/=y/' myCopiedConfig).
mod6: Anyway, nice write & script!
mod6: *write up
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-07#1900888 << very best korea flavour to the whole thing.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-07 23:37 asciilifeform: 'karatekas are cover for nazis' etc
mircea_popescu: "racism is cover for capitalism" ongoing in oither soviet as we speak.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900889 << lost interest at "This panorama scrolls horizontally".
a111: Logged on 2019-03-08 01:43 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in 'men alone', https://www.floodgap.com/etc/machines.html
a111: Logged on 2019-03-08 10:50 spyked: moreover, the same item will be useful for adding comments to thetarpit's cl blogotron, implementing mp-wp-anti-spam for the same, etc.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900912 << check it out, bolivar socialism and roosevelt socialism competing on ye olde marotes, "who brings true light" etcetera.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-08 16:44 asciilifeform: 'US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said Maduro’s government only has itself to blame for power shortages in Venezuela, noting sarcastically that “Maduro’s policies bring nothing but darkness.”' << lol!!
mircea_popescu: most amusing element -- neither of the "parties" involved read as much as a line of ye olde menshevik-bolshevik disputes.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900937 << her script is getting ever more complex lol.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-08 18:03 asciilifeform: this is prolly not an answr that will make hanbot happy. the only good news is, this only gotta be done 1ce per kernel-iron combo.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900954 << seems quite evidently a case of "here in orc cvasirepublic, we rely on implicits to do the job where understanding wtf's going on would have been useful".
a111: Logged on 2019-03-08 18:16 asciilifeform: the obv hypothesis is that the gnutards ended up happy with the position where 'priesthood' builds kernels and users blindly eat the binaries, etc
asciilifeform: guten tag mircea_popescu !
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900962 << near as i could tell, subj is a kind of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693150 , i.e. junkyard dog
a111: Logged on 2019-03-08 22:08 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900889 << lost interest at "This panorama scrolls horizontally".
a111: Logged on 2017-08-03 03:38 asciilifeform: https://symbolics.lisp.engineer/goals << in other lulz.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900966 << not clear to me that 'isms' are in play : afaik it's moar of the thing where the anglos have same relation to other folx as worm to apple
a111: Logged on 2019-03-08 22:10 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900912 << check it out, bolivar socialism and roosevelt socialism competing on ye olde marotes, "who brings true light" etcetera.
feedbot: http://bingology.net/2019/03/08/ceviche-theory-and-practice/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Ceviche Theory And Practice
BingoBoingo: Venezolana today during spanish class logistics talk made of a point of how maduro was blaming the "Imperialists" for the blackout. I offered that it was almost certainly the imperialists, breaking shit is part of their regime change recipe.
asciilifeform: oh hey BingoBoingo how didja get her out of vuvuzelistan ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: She's still there. Can't help people with things they refuse help for.
asciilifeform: lol she has mains current ? potato battery ?
BingoBoingo: Well, she had about 45 minutes of mains current today
asciilifeform: very korea
BingoBoingo: Well, when you put a third of your generation capacity in the same damn dam...
asciilifeform: ( how do you suppose korea ended up korea )
BingoBoingo: They ate the battery potatoes?
asciilifeform: prior to usg-engineered 'international' blockage, ~north~ was the industrial kr.
hanbot: so there i am merrily entering choices into the kernel config's endless querying on the tail of my cuntoo installation attempt, and i'm noting down all the modules it asks about that don't appear in http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900940 for posterity, during which i ctrl + c on the wrong of the two keyboards i'm handling while trying to copy a module name and bam, make dies, which means kernel configuring dies, which means bootstrap.sh dies,
a111: Logged on 2019-03-08 18:06 asciilifeform: hanbot: see if you can build using http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/conf_current.conf , it is an asciilifeform-sewn config for the specific iron you happen to be on
hanbot: which means i have yet another incomplete cuntoo install with no vpatch and yet no way to start again without another freakin' reboot. it's like walking a tightrope, here i was worried the power'd go out or w/e, but no, fingers got confused after 30m of back and forth, fuck me.
mircea_popescu: hanbot this sounds like EXACTLY what the problem has been, all these years.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between selecting for intelligent users and selecting for inept hoop jumping acrobatic users -- and "foss" managed to implement the 2nd kind while loudly making postureclaims as to everything under the sun.
mircea_popescu: in this very specific sense, "free and open source" is WAY worse than microsoft apple etc.
mircea_popescu: but no, linux never worked.
hanbot: i dunno, shit's supposed to fail if you do the wrong thing. possibly i'm a moron for making it too easy to do the wrong thing, keyboards oughta be 10ft apart, give second to surgical assistant, whatever. but it is fucking frustrating.
asciilifeform: hanbot: mine are min. of 1m apart always, for this reason. this dun mean that mircea_popescu is wrong tho, re opensores.
asciilifeform: tho it aint clear to me than the e.g. crapple rituals, make any moar sense
asciilifeform: ( the subj of microshit, i'll spare, tho could expound.. )
asciilifeform: 'killer micro'(tm) never 'worked' arguably.
asciilifeform: most complicated mechanism i ever used that 'works' , in light of mircea_popescu's concept thereof, is.. idk, kalash
asciilifeform: errything else seems to require fiddling.
mircea_popescu: dude, this "x distance apart" is like the fucking speed bumps. brilliant fucking idea, "how about everyone pays a tax so that some edge cases benefit"
mircea_popescu: fuck that dumb shit.
mircea_popescu: in more practical sense : ctrl-C is broken-by-design, in that it is ambiguously used to either mean "kill this task" or "kill all tasks". note how ctrl-c doesn't kill THE TERMINAL. it needs ctrl-d for that.
mircea_popescu: which is JUST AS BROKEN BY DESIGN. ctrl-d will end a file AND kill a terminal, but not touch a task. ctrl-c will kill n levels of task depth, as in her example, FOUR.
mircea_popescu: this is fucking stupid all through.
mircea_popescu: time and again we're back to ye olde "oh, line, you mean paragraph" pile of accidentally-grown-never-designed festering sores.
asciilifeform: whole concept of 'current task' is perlesque liquishit
asciilifeform: e.g. you ctrl-c and it nukes ~child~ of process however many layers deep, as in hanbot's example, and instead of propagating the kill up the tree, 'returns' barf uptree
asciilifeform: witness also, how unitardix makes 0 distinguish b/w operator- and mechanism- initiated processes
asciilifeform: 'ok, ctrl-c? i'll assume you meant the last of the 9000 jobs you just spawned, right'
asciilifeform: hanbot's ctrlc only propagated cuz script was linear.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if some part of the shitstack 'was designed', i cannot say what it was
asciilifeform: it was 'designed' like dog 'designs' turd as it emerges from arse.
hanbot: BingoBoingo please reboot me yetagain, with my compliments to your soles.
BingoBoingo: hanbot: Is it alright if the reboot waits until morning?
BingoBoingo: Eh, I'm still up. Will put the shoes back on and remember to open the terminal before I take shoes off text walk
trinque: y'all are having hanbot work in a livecd?
trinque: this is cruel even by bdsm standards.
BingoBoingo: It's a gentoo liveusb, but yes it is seeming so
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900952 << he did, as I've said before http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=localyesconfig
a111: Logged on 2019-03-08 18:15 asciilifeform: why linus et al did not supply a ready-built http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900938 util, remains a mystery to asciilifeform , just as he found it mystery in '90s
asciilifeform: oh hm.
asciilifeform: gotta try this
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900931 << it's actualy the opposite. kernel makefile found that .config lacked a value for a *new* key present in the trinque-supplied kernel, so asked for a value, suggesting default.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-08 18:01 asciilifeform: hanbot: that answers it then. that one contains some flag that trinque's kernel has nfi what to do with.
asciilifeform: trinque: outta curiosity, hiw didja deduce this ? afaik barf is same in both scenarios?
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
trinque: asciilifeform: that gentoo-specific patchset question is because these patches are present in "gentoo sources"
trinque: your asking did however send me on a spelunk through scripts/kconfig/conf.c by way of ./scripts/kconfig/Makefile
hanbot: BingoBoingo tyvm!
lobbesbot: hanbot: Sent 13 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/yRAfP/?raw=true reset
trinque: this some serious dick-cheese and cum-socks tier c, gotos and all.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform myeah.