hanbot: trinque, /sys fails with "/usr/gnat/vtoolsp1/vtools/cuntoo/build/sys: target is busy." lsof doesn't match anything tho.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-05#1900506 <-- I defo wanna make this, can start working on it after I finish the current scheduled items . I'm missing some deadlines myself (got sidetracked by the more urgent need for mirroring gutenberg) and currently working to get back on track
a111: Logged on 2019-03-05 18:23 mircea_popescu: btw, spyked lobbes either of you feel like implementing a http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-04#1900358 thing ?
spyked: asciilifeform, is http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-07#1893396 still available? I'm looking for a small machine to (ab)use for cuntoo install and IMHO this is a good alternative to scavenging the local junkyards for usable hw.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-07 16:49 asciilifeform: in other cuntooisms : if anyone is short a x64 box to test-fire cuntoo with, asciilifeform has a surplus disposable box, 'lenovo s10-3' , with that same chipset as in x60 etc period ( https://archive.is/Dny84 ) , if anyone in l1 wants, it's yours for the cost of postage ( has a mechanical hdd in it, i fughet of what size )
asciilifeform: spyked: yours for cost of postage. gpggram to asciilifeform with where you want it sent.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathendom, usg 'open sores' a famous shitware: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-07#1622885 >> https://archive.is/Nhkkc
a111: Logged on 2017-03-07 17:44 asciilifeform: in other lulz, nsa has internal clone of ida, 'ghidra'
asciilifeform can't be arsed to sacrifice a box to try an' run it, presently
shinohai: Why does this feel like a Roman Pilum ?
BingoBoingo: Well shinohai, how do you usually use your Pilum to get the feeling you are accustomed to receiving from it?
shinohai: Throw at enemy, laugh as they attempt removal or drop now useless shield.
BingoBoingo: Aite, just wanted to make sure you weren't driving dull side into ground, climbing, and using sharp side as seat. Once again a case of reserve sharp side for enemy.
trinque: hanbot: umount build/sys ?
shinohai: BingoBoingo: Nah, mine has "Antrorsum hostem" engraved on the sharp end.
BingoBoingo: Ah, first they drop their armor. Next the legionaires put warnings on their own kit.
shinohai: Beware the Ides of March.
trinque: asciilifeform: they totally either-did-or-are-considering-seriously ending the whatever-you-idiots-think-we-do program
trinque: 2019 marketing push for the derps
asciilifeform: trinque: they 'end program' erry ~decade, when $name leaks out, and reorg into $newname
trinque: sure, of cousre
diana_coman: uhm, asciilifeform BingoBoingo I can't speak in pizarro?
asciilifeform: recall clinton-era 'echelon'
asciilifeform: diana_coman: hm lemme see
asciilifeform: diana_coman: plz try now
BingoBoingo: hanbot: Do you anticipate needing a reset on your cuntoo box soon?
asciilifeform: trinque & other people with working cuntoos -- plox to take a look in the #p log and see if you can easily say what the orig. form of the nao-broken symlink looked like -- ty
asciilifeform: mod6 , shinohai , et al ^
diana_coman: asciilifeform, no need and no use for that
asciilifeform: no ?
diana_coman: that symlink was previosly made by me
asciilifeform: aaa ok
asciilifeform: nm then
diana_coman: no, it's not the symlink that caused the breakage; it's the botched removal i.e. it did more than remove the symlink
asciilifeform: pretty strange effect, i haven't previously observed anyffin of the kind from removing a symlink
diana_coman: me neither but it's a ...test machine; so it gets all tested, what can I say
asciilifeform: rright -- i suspect there's an undocumented linuxtardation somewhere at the bottom of this
diana_coman: ftr I have otherwise down even what the symlink was pointed at; it's not that the issue per se
mircea_popescu: spyked that works. fwiw i'd keep the look of the thing, manpage-like
mircea_popescu: "Ghidra is a software reverse engineering (SRE) framework developed by NSA's Research Directorate for NSA's cybersecurity mission. " << developed nothing, ida license with serials filed off!!1
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: GB of java turd
mircea_popescu: but of course.
asciilifeform: (i.e. quite unlike ida, they actually hired 9000 grunts to try & reimplement... )
mircea_popescu: no fucking way. they "hired" 9000 zeks who were "hired" anyway by virtue of being zeks, to wrap it in crap so "nobody can tell".
asciilifeform: entirely possib; can't currently spare any cycles to find out
mircea_popescu: fucking "java". this imbecile fashion to name things after africans already.
mircea_popescu: NOBODY WORTH THE MENTION EVER WAS BLACK. OR EVEN BROWN. GET THE FUCK OVER IT ALREADY, LIES WONT FIX IT!
mircea_popescu: GET TO FUCKING WORK OMFG.
mircea_popescu: in the meantime, things can be called "liguria" and so on.
diana_coman: in other unwanted discoveries: on trying to compile the whole server on the sjlj-gnat I got a bunch of undefined symbol for unwind_sjlj_raiseexception ; anyone knows about this?
diana_coman: ftr the same setup otherwise compiled and ran perfectly fine the tasks-test
mircea_popescu: unsurprisingly, compiler started diverging from the "obsolete" ie functional exception handler.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman make a post once you fix it, with the list of what / how you fixed.
diana_coman: once I get to the bottom of it, I certainly will; my first thought was exactly that - ugh, meanwhile it's not "supported" anymore or wtf - but so far I have no real clue, I'll need to dig
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on my globe, java is near sumatra, and not anywhere near africa..
asciilifeform: y'know, in greater hirohitostan
asciilifeform: ( and it'd suck just as hard if they'd named it 'monaco' instead.. )
asciilifeform: a turd by any other name, would smell as sweet (tm)(r)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-06#1900636 << was this in the final linkage step, or earlier (and if then, then in the .cpp pieces ? or ada ? )
a111: Logged on 2019-03-06 16:55 diana_coman: in other unwanted discoveries: on trying to compile the whole server on the sjlj-gnat I got a bunch of undefined symbol for unwind_sjlj_raiseexception ; anyone knows about this?
diana_coman: asciilifeform, final linkage step
asciilifeform: afaik this can only mean that it is trying to link with a non-sjljistic gcc standard lib
asciilifeform: diana_coman: can you make a 'hello world' that reproduces this ? ( i.e. without seekrit server coad )
diana_coman: you know, that was what I was trying to ensure on the test server (that it's linking with a sjljistic lib) when the simple removal of a symlink blew up in my face
diana_coman: once I have the test machine in working order again I'll see what's going on there; in the happiest case it was just linking with the wrong thing and so it'll be easily solvable
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nevertheless!!!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no i get. i barfed when encountered 'mali' chipset ( srsly?! mali ? )
asciilifeform: why aint there a chukcha chipset, btw.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, for completeness, adacore's gnat with --rts=sjlj throws only one undefined reference rather than a bunch; here's the winner: undefined reference to symbol '_Unwind_Resume@@GCC_3.0'
diana_coman: possibly this is just a different mismatch
asciilifeform: ok this is odd, cuz, recall, per http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-14#1896695 an' http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-16#1897234 , it oughta be _Unwind_SjLj_Resume , and not _Unwind_Resume ( the latter is a zcxism! )
a111: Logged on 2019-02-14 22:56 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/misc/zcx_procs.asm http://www.loper-os.org/pub/misc/ljmp_procs.asm
a111: Logged on 2019-02-16 17:53 asciilifeform: diana_coman et al : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/misc/feb_16_tasks_o.html
diana_coman: o.O so you're saying that apparently gprbuild --RTS=sjlj on adacore's gnat STILL pulls in some zcxism??
asciilifeform: loox like!!
asciilifeform: unless it was the cpp components which did
asciilifeform cannot presume to comment re diana_coman's in-house proggy, but as i understand it's sumthing like 80% ancient cpp ?
diana_coman: I think I'll take a break and leave it until I have the smg test box back so at least I don't mess about with all sorts of versions of everything or I'll go nuts
asciilifeform: diana_coman: BingoBoingo set out for the cellar just nao.
diana_coman: great, thanks
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-06#1900597 << trinque: same, "target is busy". if you wanna try and untangle, i'm at your disposal, but otherwise i'ma have it rebooted
a111: Logged on 2019-03-06 15:45 trinque: hanbot: umount build/sys ?
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/087-feedparse.html << The Tar Pit -- A feed parser for Common Lisp programs
spyked: mircea_popescu, aite. yeah, their pastebox looks pretty neat.
asciilifeform: spyked: got it. i'ma get it to the post on sat. at the latest.
spyked: ok, tyvm!
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: hanbot : while BingoBoingo is in the cage, do you also want reset ?
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Your live environment is ready. This is the same live image hanbot has been using. Changes made to the live environment will not persist.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: well, changes made on the actual stationary disk, oughta persist, sorta whole point
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plz check that it actually sees the raid
hanbot: asciilifeform, BingoBoingo: well, waiting for trinque --i want to give him an opportunity in case this is interesting.
BingoBoingo: hanbot asciilifeform I can always come back
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It sees the disks. Unplugging keyboard and monitor from diana_coman's test box
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: leave'em in for nao
asciilifeform: err, the kvm, that is
asciilifeform: in case i gotta help massage later tonight
BingoBoingo: Will deploy kvm to S.MG testbox
asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, got it, thanks! but ssh is waiting on connecting to box... so far
lobbesbot: diana_coman: Sent 41 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NJ0f5/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Let me know when you make it in. Just now tested the credentials I sent and there was no perceptible wait.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, I'm in ; it was hiccup on my side ; thank you
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell ben_vulpes mimibot appears to be down
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, ready for a reset when you get there
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Reset
BingoBoingo: Is it fixed?
diana_coman: working fine; thank you very much BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: It was no problem at all.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: KVM unplugged and idle
diana_coman: hopefully I won't mess it up again the same way at least
BingoBoingo: In other news, any channel loggers interested in logging #pizarro ?
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Well, odd tripwire is odd tripwire
asciilifeform: incidentally, has anyone yet published a ~complete~ log bot kit ? last i knew , all that was trooly genesis'd is http://btcbase.org/patches/logbot-genesis , which is one-half of a log bot ( the rear half )
asciilifeform: but afaik no one yet published an entire one.
asciilifeform for instance would luvv to log #pizarro and #asciilifeform , say, with own hands, but dun currently have time to write a frontend, and finds it peculiar that nobody's seen it fit to genesis theirs, srsly how many times does that 1 proggy gotta be reinvented
asciilifeform: diana_coman: congrats on fix
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ty
diana_coman: asciilifeform, thank you
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik both lobbes and spyked are working towards this : http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/11/conveyor-outlook-now-to-feb-2019/#selection-103.0-103.42 and http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/080-botworks-regrind.html respectively.
asciilifeform: aah neato
mircea_popescu: not being reinvented or anything, just, it's a large thing because of all the trims.
asciilifeform: i still wonder why phf and ben_vulpes didn't take a shot at genesising theirs ( asciilifeform , for instance, posted the phuctor frontend, fwliw )
asciilifeform: if these were available, could stand up a logger in 10min or so..
mircea_popescu: afaik both the current developments are following code published by trinque that comes off ben_vulpes 's logger. this is perfectly fine, too, and no it's not "10 minutes", again because of all the trims.
mircea_popescu: not sure why phf hadn't, but possibly because it's a finnicky setup on a lispmachine he can't reproduce, ie, the "10 minutes" in that case'd have included a decade's worth of encuntoo-ating whatever cl pile he uses.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the published bot genesis takes care of the irc mechanics and the db write ; what's missing is the wwwistic front end
mircea_popescu: well eg in lobbes 's case there's also an auction thing, and the archiving bit, and so on ; in spyked's case there's also a lot of rss and so on.
mircea_popescu: but fundamentally yes, the reason the tree's not cut exactly to your measure's that you never cut it yourself.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you look at http://btcbase.org/patches/logbot-genesis , it aint 'not cut', it's entirely missing any www-display coad
asciilifeform: would have to write it by hand. ( could use phuctor's as a base, but would rather not perpetrate another pythonism.. )
asciilifeform: and asciilifeform is actually sticking to mircea_popescu's admonition to not divert from conveyor contents, so i'ma not do this any time soon
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes 's display not included i dunno why ; phf's not included for the stated reason, obscure cl machine ; lobbes 's not included because in order to be able to patch it, he had to fix various things first, you were here for the "techniocal debt" discussion last year.
mircea_popescu: which is exactly the point : they're cutting their own trees because they're their own. if you were cutting it, conceivably it'd be with phuctor python, that being yours, and so o.
mircea_popescu: anyway, they'd prolly be closer to being done, so you wouldn't find yourself in the position of "no logger for pizarro", except they got sent to do auction bot fixes and gutenberg mirror respectively, if you recall.
mircea_popescu: the costs of these things.
mircea_popescu expects ben_vulpes reboots mimi in short order and the matter goes away ; otherwise we'll see wtf to do about this.
asciilifeform: trinque said that ben_vulpes is alive , so i expect he'll reboot .
asciilifeform finds it interesting that 'bot self-resetting when fleanode pisses into its mouth' is still open problem
asciilifeform: my own bot, and presumably errything else that uses trinque's orig mechanism, is similarly afflicted
asciilifeform: ( not a bite at trinque , i suspect it is genuinely stiff problem , fleanode apparently throws ~random garbage )
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/03/newly-documented-intel-speculative-memory-management-bug-affects-all-generations-of-intel-core-cpus-makes-rowhammering-much-easier/ << Qntra -- Newly Documented Intel Speculative Memory Management Bug Affects All Generations Of Intel "Core" CPUs, Makes ROWHAMMERing Much Easier
asciilifeform: ^ loox like theoretically afflicts even the venerable x60-era intels. ( aside from the detail that ddr2 aint, as i currently understand, rowhammerable )
BingoBoingo: More fake speed
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165#selection-110.0-125.164 << oblig fakespeed
BingoBoingo: That was in the "old" days. Intel has moved on to disappearing Quantum bathtubs for catapulting
asciilifeform: ye olde nobusfactory.
BingoBoingo: Well, look a it the other way. Intel has been shipping actual quantum computers for over a decade. Now not quantum in an useful way, and possibly quantum in the worst way, but as quantum in the most commercially relevant way so far.
asciilifeform: schroedinger's cpu.
trinque: asciilifeform: shape of it as I vaguely recall is that the bot-stuck-away state looks like bot-connected from PoV of bot
asciilifeform: trinque: that's as far as i was able to get when walked through it , aha
trinque: I can't say for sure until I instrument the thing with slime and wait for it to happen
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check it out, i wonder why we all only used amds. what suckers we were, and all that.
asciilifeform: but was our proof proofyenuff!!111
ben_vulpes: noches, todos
lobbesbot: ben_vulpes: Sent 6 hours and 12 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> mimibot appears to be down
ben_vulpes: ty BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: np ben_vulpes
BingoBoingo: How is Texscadia treating you?
ben_vulpes: for all that the place is nominally filled with capitalists, nobody here drives like time is a rapidly exhausting resource. i seem to have landed in a town largely flavored like portland. nobody knows how to make coffee, and the region doesn't produce much by way of wine. but! where portland was the largest metropolis for a good hundred and fifty miles in any direction (and cavorted with airs to match), this
ben_vulpes: place is the 3rd or 4th largest population-wise and has much more humility and concomittantly a vastly greater depth to the sell-side of pretty much everything.
ben_vulpes: heya mod6
asciilifeform: wb ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: ty asciilifeform, but it'll be short and i'll dive for some more time yet.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you building a house or wat
ben_vulpes: nothing so exciting; simply stacking up a tiny pile of variously purple and pink 'greenbacks' to exchange for sheetrock and buttcorns.
ben_vulpes: either tending to my manorial lands, or carving my fortune out of passing stagecoaches, depending on the day. the glittering court, most elevated discourses, high-octane cultronium etc readily distract me from the husbandry that capitalizes. also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1875979 spooked me.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-29 17:10 Mocky: in truth i do feel like idjit for being old man without the brains to have saved anything. i don't even have a workshop full of shit like asciilifeform
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: nuffin wrong with that; so long as also keep in mind http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-16#1835153
a111: Logged on 2018-07-16 17:05 asciilifeform: '...Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal...' etc
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: since yer buying coinz , can i interest you in another machine purchase for piz ?
asciilifeform: same type as prev.
mircea_popescu: an excellent choice in what to be spooked by, sir.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: politely decline, but should the merry bandits catch the tax collector's carriage unawares i know where to place my buy orders.
asciilifeform: hard to picture an easier coin than this, but aite
ben_vulpes: can't buy sheetrock nor coin without waylaying stagecoaches, asciilifeform.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: in theory the logs are endlessly educational! in practice, learning takes practice.