Mocky: I had the most vivid dream last night that I met mp and hanbot. I shook mp's hand and then I turned and shook hanbot's hand and when I turned back mp was gone but left me a note with his signature and "kek" then I turned and habot was gone too
asciilifeform: guten morgen Mocky
BingoBoingo: Mornin folks
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/01/dead-black-man-found-at-major-pantsuit-donors-home-for-second-time-in-less-than-two-years/ << Qntra -- Dead Black Man Found At Major Pantsuit Donor's Home For Second Time In Less Than Two Years
mircea_popescu: Mocky lol auction off the note, prolly bigbux(tm)!
asciilifeform upturned a stack of papers with elbow last night, a mircea_popescu card came flying out
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo are these tynisha ysais relatives ? any bits missing ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's a mp card ?
mircea_popescu: oh, you mean the black business card things ?
asciilifeform: aha that
asciilifeform: the 1 with the gpg fp
mircea_popescu: pretty cool item, if i do say so myself. the face of all the people who've since got one... worth erry penny.
asciilifeform: it's nifty.
asciilifeform: i still think an electric one would be even spiffier tho
asciilifeform: (i.e. plug it in, it 'types' the modulus)
mircea_popescu: how'd an electric one go ?
Mocky: electric, what, to pull itself out of your pocket?
mircea_popescu: i dun see it.
mircea_popescu: you know ?
mircea_popescu: i mean, if it ~speaks~ it, it could be cooler in the intended market ; but honestly speaking is inferior tech to reading.
asciilifeform: typing in 4096bit is bit of a pain
Mocky: so long as it doesn't have cancel button
mircea_popescu: there's two solutions to "x is painful" : a) make x', just-like-x-but-not-painful ; and b) use it in training, where pain is both desirable, useful and necessary.
asciilifeform: there's also the 3rd, 'make it == x but slightly less pain' but admittedly takes work
asciilifeform: ( i'll observe, mircea_popescu's ship has diesels, rather than oars, last i knew )
mircea_popescu: (and, for completeness & rounding off [kek kek] of the "dating" reference yesterday : the ~other~ locus of man, other than "doing very well on a date", is sitting on a couch [of power] and pointing at which fancy fanciula he intends to sozomize next. just sayin'.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oars are not merely painful, but also train biceps. mp is not so keep in bicep-y slavegirls, THEREFORE has not oars.
mircea_popescu: if oars promoted instead stoic values, it'd have fucking oars.
mircea_popescu: not so keen* i meep
asciilifeform: couch << very suleiman, i'd expect 'throne'
asciilifeform: i can see re the biceps tho
asciilifeform: perhaps give'em pedals.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is an eastern power, what can i tell you.
mircea_popescu: or, to quote from fetgirl, "mistey25 19F Switch Also an intelegence test? What makes you think you have what it takes to judge if someone is smart or not. Theres a quote from Albert Einstein if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree it will live its whole life believing its an idiot. And youre judging me based off of things youre pulling out of your ass. Why dont I give you a bit of judgement. Yo
mircea_popescu: u look like a goat fucker."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja reply 'perfect, you look exactly like goat
asciilifeform: ' ?
mircea_popescu: lol nope. i said goats are cute but not to the point of fucking one.
asciilifeform: btw are they all xyzpqrDIGITDIGIT ? it's like aol never died
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's testament to my famous capacity of fitting in -- comes from the fact i use as main profile pic a shot hanbot took in turkey, where i was being INCREDIBLY fucking fit-in.
mircea_popescu: (the first time around, decade or so prior, turkey ss guy intercepted me. like on the street. asked if i'm from the us, i said romania, he said no fucking way, what are you selling me here. was pretty lulzy.)
asciilifeform: twist : he asked in hungarian
asciilifeform: 'english, french, and japanese spy'(tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they are not. here, have a sampler http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ufhi6/?raw=true
asciilifeform: oh hah, only a ~third of'em..
mircea_popescu: did some countwork at some point irrc. lotta "kitten" (spoiler : generally fatties), lotta stuff like that.
asciilifeform: in other esoterica, on gentoo 'xinput' dumps list of mice, and then 'xinput --set-prop yermousenumber 269 -1' switches off mouse-acceleration. ( possibly phf already knew this, but gives 9000x moar usable roller )
mircea_popescu: how are you to use a mouse w/o acceleration ?!
asciilifeform: well if it's a trad mouse you generally wouldn't
asciilifeform: but for rollerballs it worx great
asciilifeform: ( 1:1 mm/rolled to pixels )
mircea_popescu: ah works diff for rollers ? mkay
mircea_popescu never got into that.
asciilifeform: me neither, until recently
mircea_popescu: i get the "takes less space than mouse" etc. it just seems bulky and inconvenient to me. and too high. and so on.
mircea_popescu: not proposing this as problems ~with the item~.
asciilifeform: it takes ~same space as mouse, if you have a decent two-bricks-sized box
asciilifeform: the win is that when you e.g. cad, less muscle aches. ( asciilifeform aint cad'ing currently but expects to again later this yr.. )
asciilifeform: i dunno how phf ended up into it tho, iirc he dun cad
asciilifeform: but i got the idea from him
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo are these tynisha ysais relatives ? any bits missing ? << Apparently they are just dead sex workers
mircea_popescu: black ~men~ ?
asciilifeform: the linked piece read like a 'bugger-for-meth' affair
BingoBoingo: Yeah, black male sex workers.
BingoBoingo: From the text of the Qntra piece: "In the previous incident Gemmel Moore, a 26 year old male sex worker's death was ruled a drug overdose following an investigation which found numerous syringes and indicators of habitual methamphetamine use in Buck's home. According to Moore's journal, Buck introduced him to methamphetamine."
BingoBoingo: White pantsuit hiring black men for sex and hooking them on meth... like that Atlanta dude but with different taste in holes
mircea_popescu: well, in all fairness to the http://trilema.com/2016/welcome-to-baluba-island/ cuck in question -- if your wife fucks a dozen or so "bulls" before they do you in the ass per week say, and it's been a hundred weeks, you're looking at five or so thousand of these having spent a day with you within the past half week, which is the "relation" standard contemplated.
mircea_popescu: that one in x thousand black gay-for-pay tards (who are also drug users, nqa) will od a year... gimme a break.
mircea_popescu: in short : it's a wonder there weren't two dozen.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the ridiculous notion " Gemmel Moore, a 26 year old male twink" was ~keepin a journal~. srsly ? with what ?
BingoBoingo: His community college art school supplies?
mircea_popescu: oh, you mean the ipad ? i think they cut off what he was trying to say.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, first incident was dismissed after pantsuit outrage over the investigation as an attack on the old dude's lifestyle
asciilifeform: hey, 'universal literacy'(tm)(r), neh
mircea_popescu: "Edward Bernard Peter Buckmelter began his career as a fashion model in Europe" keks.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you may think what you wish ; i've seen the fetards and i know better.
asciilifeform: no i get
mircea_popescu: the odds a 20something ~black~ ~male~ actually keeping a journal are 10ppm or so ; having the capacity to even in principle do so 0.1% sorta deal
asciilifeform: it's a lul tho, the incas actually think they have 'literacy'
asciilifeform: ( 'can read stop sign? here's yer school diploma' )
mircea_popescu: He formerly served on the steering committee of the Stonewall Democratic Club. He has donated "nearly $30,000" to Democratic candidates like Hillary Clinton, Ted Lieu, Pete Aguilar and Raja Krishnamoorthi as well as the Getting Things Done PAC. << dude give me a fucking break ?
mircea_popescu: since when the fuck is 30k a sum of money.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they have this custom, iirc you can donate 1 orcbuck and still show up on 'list of donor'
BingoBoingo: Other sources report ~500k still small. More interesting is the information brokerage he sold in his 30's.
mircea_popescu: pretty ridoinculous all around.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my point is rather that the democrats ~are very fucking poor~.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty sure most of their dough comes from bezos
asciilifeform: ( and saud et al )
mircea_popescu: precisely the "russian oligarchs" pseudo-economic model, yes.
BingoBoingo: Except cut a couple figures off for the US version
mircea_popescu: somehow this doesn't bother them, "hey, our entire understanding of money is, let's get some schmuck a bunch of taxchest so he can http://trilema.com/2012/dan-voiculescu-acest-gunoi-abject/ all over."
BingoBoingo: Anyways, it seems the reason he didn't pile up 2 dozen stiffs over the years is that same poverty
mircea_popescu: yeah, they ~party~ ie, don't keep a ready supply of the stuff (chemicals, biologicals) for whenever feel like, but rather whenever the "pipe" leaks something run out and buy some of each, twice a eyar or w/e.
mircea_popescu: the unsteady approach being in itself a great catalyst of both the paroxistic problem encountered and the incapacity for management displayed.
mircea_popescu: (that article, btw, remarkable because i told ro bezos "Si, draga Varanule, nu-i clar ca mai ai cinci ani" ie, "dear reptile, it's not clear you have five years left" in 2012 -- by 2014 he was in jail. because hey, mp is right now and again accidentally which is to say 1024/1024 occurences on his blog etc etc)
BingoBoingo: Well, middle class fellow constantly held up by his peers as a party elite
asciilifeform: it's how they od, also
asciilifeform: ( observe, goering -- morphinist from ww1 to '45, and never od )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was that the ro berezovsky or who
mircea_popescu: just about yeah. dood ran off with the commies accounts receivable in 1989, so that isarescu was stuck inventing acreditives for fuel ships to unload rather than leave that winter.
mircea_popescu: that was something else, that january.
mircea_popescu: anyway, twas a mere coupla billion. which, at the time, was an IMMENSE sum, that ceausescu had gathered together over decades of hard fucking work for his 20mn slavecrop.
mircea_popescu: now it's like... hey, remember when bitcoin had JUST breached 1k and "mp is a billionaire" still "controversial" / difficult to swallow for the tards talking ?
mircea_popescu: it's one hell of an object to contemplate, this evolution, for someone who was there in the 80s. "you mean every penny saved off every old schmuck that died in soviet-style economical health care system / every bled out 1950s style (in the us, heh, http://trilema.com/2009/comunismul-capitalismul-si-oprimarea-femeii/#selection-71.0-71.8 ) woman because contraceptives cost money whereas her slavespawn is worth money, ALL THAT,
mircea_popescu: every night spent in the cold to "save fuel" by whole neighbourhoods, the inaccessible meat or bananas or whatever -- ALL OF IT!!! went into one "humongous" pile of "the people's wealth" that was, looking in own pockets, not retrospectively that worth the mention ?
mircea_popescu: what the fuck more is there, if this dun suffice re vanitas vanitatum what does.
mircea_popescu: alas, poor yorick. i knew him, horatio...
mircea_popescu shall bbl.
asciilifeform: it's exactly scale-model ver of the ru 'privatization' afaik.
asciilifeform: ( and for all i know, ro actually involved moar 'turkeydollar', as by mircea_popescu's and other accts was 'tighter ship' )
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in paleo-entomology, https://archive.ph/ot5UK#selection-6697.0-6705.198
asciilifeform: 'There were people working behind the scenes trying to get the Symbolics VLM stuff legitimately released in some way to the hobbyist community - and this is likely to throw a wrench into that effort'
asciilifeform: ( 11 yr.-vintage wank re asciilifeform's orig warez link )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-08#1885903 << 'pile' wento to washington/eurpoistan coffers, kept the reich going 30yrs past its expiration date
a111: Logged on 2019-01-08 17:26 mircea_popescu: every night spent in the cold to "save fuel" by whole neighbourhoods, the inaccessible meat or bananas or whatever -- ALL OF IT!!! went into one "humongous" pile of "the people's wealth" that was, looking in own pockets, not retrospectively that worth the mention ?
mircea_popescu: in other sad lulz : etsy moved into the new york building where a scottish immigrant invented the prefab packaging box during the gilded age. who knows, maybe it rubs off ? maybe perhaps http://trilema.com/2016/the-%d0%ba%d0%b2%d0%b0%d1%81-bdsm-party/#comment-118604 ?
asciilifeform: and hey, iirc google (or was it crapple?) occupies the old sgi campus
asciilifeform: ( nfi what happened to it after '15 , but sorta terrydavis-flavour )
asciilifeform: in other quasi-newz, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=55&cpage=1#comment-19773
asciilifeform: ( and it aint a lie, i studied the burroughs arch, indeed was non-overflowistic iron )
feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/01/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-january-february-and-march-1714-part-iii/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of January, February and March, 1714 - Part III.
lobbes: !!v 0A8DFF73C1807887EABEF77020C257A596B3ECB7F244BB74215588B419EF9D29
deedbot: Invoiced BingoBoingo 0.14 << Auction# 1033: 500 wired filthy fiats for 140mn ecu
mircea_popescu: let's then put the more useful part in teh archive hopper : https://archive.org/stream/bitsavers_burroughsBkComputerSystemOrganizationTheB5700B6700_10821314/Organick_Computer_System_Organization_The_B5700_B6700_Series_1973_djvu.txt
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol, ~whole thing is diagrams
asciilifeform: it aint edible this way.
asciilifeform: sorta why archaeology is hard
asciilifeform: shit aint searchable/txtable.
mircea_popescu: cuz erryone gotta be spashul, come up with diagrams. text not good anymore etc.
asciilifeform: eh it's a , what, 1960s manuscript.
mircea_popescu: i'm just bitter.
asciilifeform: next can complain that newton didn't put out 7bit ascii.
mircea_popescu: i can, and i do.
BingoBoingo: !!v 069163137FC5BE03C43D22E16938F9670CBCF86D92B8B580CF13C01C3365AA3E
deedbot: BingoBoingo paid lobbes invoice 2
asciilifeform: in other noose, constant-time stein-gcd aint so bad, 1msec (2048bit operands) , 6msec (4096bit) , 21msec (8192bit), 81msec (16384bit)
asciilifeform: incidentally, whether it is possible to gcd arbitrary ints in non-quadratic time, is an open problem in numtheory
BingoBoingo: ty lobbes
asciilifeform: ( afaik nobody ever proved that you couldn't, and the nonconstanttime lehmer and variations run in ~O(n) for ~all inputs )
asciilifeform: the catch is that ~all != all.
asciilifeform: on a box with 1 FG, the wait for a random fillup of a e.g. 2048bit reg, i suspect dwarfs the runtime of stein (and possibly even of m-r, dunno yet)
asciilifeform: let's say yer baking one of the p, q of a 4096bit rsa mod. it needs 2048bit , i.e. 256byte of FG. a standard FG at room temp shits out 7kByte/s. therefore 256 / (7 x 1024) ~= 0.0357 sec., for a fillup of candidate register.
asciilifeform: if primality test ( which consists of GCD ~and~ m-r, in order to constant-time ) does not exceed 0.0356sec, then on machine with 1 FG it can be considered that the FG is the limiting reactant.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu diana_coman et al ^
asciilifeform: on a machine with multiple FG harnessed together, divide the figure by the # of FG in use.
asciilifeform: ( all of this assumes that nothing is parallelized. asciilifeform in particular does not like parallelized subcomponents in rsatron, if it can be avoided , tho there aint anyffin wrong with running ~multiple~ rsatrons , on diff inputs, in parallel , if iron is available )
asciilifeform: nao, philosophical q : does one actually want to gcd + m-r always ? or is it acceptable to reject input after failed gcd litmus, and only ~then~ m-r .
asciilifeform: cuz in the former case, there aint actually any point to gcd.
asciilifeform: ( afaik there are no integers that are divisible by small prime (such as will fit in the primorial) and fail ~any~ number of m-r shots.
asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TkmoM/?raw=true << sneak peek of constant-time stein. ( afaik there isn't one anywhere else on the net, funnily enuff. )
mircea_popescu: the whole idea of prior gcd was to save on rm time.
mircea_popescu: if it doesn't save any time it's not worth having
asciilifeform: well at least not in the initial sieve ( one might still want it for e.g. pocklington's test )
mircea_popescu: something like that.
asciilifeform: i'd be satisfied with gcd as initial sieve (given that i have one that dun leak anyffin) ~followed~ by m-r.
mircea_popescu: i don't see the point.
asciilifeform: of what ? that's the obv. version ( get from rng, until gcd shows that no small factors, and then m-r )
asciilifeform: i.e. to save on r-m time.
asciilifeform: my observation was that on a box with 1 FG, the latter will almost certainly be the limiting reactant in prime-baking.
asciilifeform: ( and that on iron where m-r ends up taking substantially less time than FG takes to fill up candidate reg, there may not be a point to pre-sieving )
asciilifeform: i dun have the m-r yet, so cannot give the equation quite yet.
asciilifeform: the interesting thing about m-r however, is that it can make use of any available cpu given to it, to produce smaller probability of death
asciilifeform: so depending on how many m-r shots you want, it can make sense to pre-sieve, to give m-r moar shots.
asciilifeform: grr, moar complicated than i initially pictured, because m-r ~also~ demands rng
asciilifeform: i'ma come back to this binomial once i have the m-r.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform IF rm doesn't take much time, THEN i don't see the point of doing any gcd. because r-m is a complete test for what we need, and gcd is not.
mircea_popescu: why overload the machinery with unreliable testing.
asciilifeform: how 'many r-m shots' is a free variable tho.
mircea_popescu: gcding small primes doesn't reduce the m-r constant.
asciilifeform: it potentially frees up cpu for moar shots of m-r, was the idea
mircea_popescu: what does ? not bothering to gcd ?
asciilifeform: the opposite
asciilifeform: ~doing~ the gcd pre-sieve
asciilifeform: then you only m-r on inputs that already passed gcd
mircea_popescu: the count of m-r shots is established on mathematical not circumstancial grounds.
asciilifeform: the ~minimal~ count
mircea_popescu: this discussion is broken.
asciilifeform: let's spell out the algo. 1. reg := read_from_fg(2048bits). 2. l = gcd(reg, primorial) 3. if l != 1, goto 1 4. mr = m-r(reg, shots) 5. if mr != true, goto 1. 6. reg is probabilistically-prime .
asciilifeform: this is the 'pre-sieve' variant contemplated.
asciilifeform: nao, on a machine with 1 FG, step 1 takes ~36msec. every time.
asciilifeform: step 2 takes ~1msec (on asciilifeform's aged box, and less elsewhere.)
asciilifeform: steps 3, 5, 6 take ~0. step 4 takes a certain yet-unknown time, which is a function of width(reg) and shots.
mircea_popescu: right, which is precisely what makes it a discussion about nothing.
mircea_popescu: IF 4 takes too little to bother, 2-3 aren't worth doing ; otherwise, otherwise.
asciilifeform: i dun have the necessary figure yet. hence 'i'ma come back'.
mircea_popescu: this is exactlyu how things stood 50 lines ~before~, also.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i not only gotta write proggy, but to make sure that it makes sense to people
mircea_popescu: in other news, reading old logs is something else, my the snr has changed. http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-18#565157 << back in 2014 dorky kids still thought "putin" is how you say "cool". in the intervening years -- they, changed not at all. everything around them...
a111: Logged on 2014-03-18 09:39 LordPutin: what do you mean they haven't? Are they facing legalaction?
asciilifeform finds good % of the 2014-prior l0gz to be indigestible. (tho regularly goes to read'em anyway)
mircea_popescu: yeah, something else.
asciilifeform: might be interesting ( phf? ) to have a filter toggle that only shows people who are still alive
asciilifeform: ( i find what e.g. mircea_popescu said in 2014 , interesting, but not xyzputin3333 )
mircea_popescu: it's still the context. 2014 mp actually talked to ~those~ dorks.
asciilifeform: tho not only ( also talked to ben_vulpes and other folx who tuned in prior to asciilifeform )
mircea_popescu: it'd be nice if this is how it worked, "lenin without the nieces". but historically...
asciilifeform: wb mod6
mod6 has been working on the big blog post that outlines my work to create the keccak regrind for trb.
asciilifeform: mod6: at the risk of sounding like mircea_popescu in earlier thread -- why is this a mega-project ? i reground ffa to keccak in about 10minute (after getting hold of a working keccak-vtron)
asciilifeform: trb has , what, 3x the # of patches, so it'll take you 30m at most.
asciilifeform: or do i misread, and mod6 already reground, and writing re how.
mod6: Yeah, have already reground, indeed. This is a write up of how I did this.
mircea_popescu: pretty cool
mod6: And I think that makes sense, this isn't my personal project. How this work was done for the foundation should be a public facing thing, and reviewed by people before vpatches published.
mircea_popescu: you always wrote quite excellent / delightfully complete such recipes.
mod6: Thanks mircea_popescu, I appreciate that.
asciilifeform: neato mod6 , i look fwd to reading
mod6: *nod* I appreciate that asciilifeform, your eyes on such things always are a Good Thing. Not long after I post it, I'll be looking for people to help test the updated HOWTO guide too if anyone feels so inclined. (Please reach out if interested.)
a111: Logged on 2014-03-18 16:00 benkay: gpg is not even necessary for wot participation, you should know.
BingoBoingo: Well, in 2014 the screws hadn't much been turned at all
BingoBoingo: gribble still "worked" for some definitions of work
lobbes: BingoBoingo: yw
lobbes: wb mod6. I also look forward to reading your keccak regrind post (hopefully I can sponge some useful info)
mod6: :] Thank you lobbes.
feedbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/01/initial-cuntoo-testing/ << lobbesblog -- Initial Cuntoo Testing
trinque: lobbes: why didn't you read the script..
trinque: it didn't set a password on root. it asked you what user you wanted to create.
mircea_popescu: this is cute.
lobbes: trinque: fair enough, but then I should be able to login with that user right? Or at least chrooting in and setting the root password should've worked (I'd imagine)
lobbes goes to read scripts properly this time
trinque: I recommend you read it, understand what it's doing, and then talk about it from knowledge of substance rather than knowledge of surface.
trinque: it's not as if the script's setting anyone's password on anything; it's just calling the util that does.
trinque: also glad to see it getting used!
trinque: I'm still gunning after the nondeterminism in the genesis.
hanbot: billymg, phf: in billymg's latest mp-wp vpatch (http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885285), i see the old "\ No newline at end of file" spew on two of the touched files (was symptom of bug last yr: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-25#1786014). still indicative of proablem with presser/patch?
a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 04:31 billymg: hanbot: i put together a patch for the svg links mentioned earlier: http://billymg.com/2019/01/mp-wp-vpatch-update-internal-image-references-to-point-to-svg-extensions/
a111: Logged on 2018-02-25 19:25 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-25#1785986 << i thought that it was just a helpful warning, but upon reflection i realized that this is actually a bug. investigating it further i took a wrong direction on a diff's command line flag switch, and as it stands if you see this warning it
hanbot: billymg nice work btw, am ready to sign once above is cleared up
lobbes: trinque: I agree that I could use a more substantive grasp on the script as a whole (and will indeed study moar), however I want to say I'm at least understanding the bit in "create_user.sh" where it calls useradd and passwd, and then adds the $USER to etc/sudoers. I'm just missing -why- the user/password I set through useradd/passwd wasn't working when trying to login. Probably something elementary
lobbes: that's under my nose..
trinque: you could've like, mistyped it, maaan