a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 02:17 BingoBoingo: I have to say from Mocky's pics of Qatar so far I am impressed by the manner in which they manage to hide the electric wires. Down here they just... can't
Mocky: and no houses. commercial buildings and villas. every villa at least 3 stories, flat top, fully wrapped in concrete wall at least 8 feet high, with iron gate for car and iron door
Mocky: 8 foot walls for the cheap housing 20 foot for expensive. From what i can tell ~nobody lives outside of such 'fortress'
Mocky: except for skyscrapers and 'artistic buildings' everything is cinder block or brick fully covered in concrete facing.
Mocky: in the 'burbs there are sort of ticky tack housing communities where a couple dozen villas will share one big wall, with guard on duty at the gate.
Mocky: one result is that there isn't a single unsightly yard anywhere, from external pov. from inside pov, it seems like most have a junk pile their back 'yard'
Mocky: not really right to call it 'burbs, it's still in the city just not downtown. Villa is also often commercially, dr office, restaurant, shops: just with extra windows and signage
Mocky: if they built like this in florida, hurricane season would be quite different. but then yeah hardly anyone would be able to afford to live there.
diana_coman: are all houses at the edge of the city or where? not that I'm even sure I see a difference if ~all desert anyway
diana_coman: how's the "qatar week 2" coming along, Mocky ?
Mocky: the downtown area wraps the bay and is maybe 10 blocks deep. I guess you could call this 'a ring'. the rest of the city is basically concentric circles of rings b - f (actual street names) between which are neighborhoods of predominantly residential villas but with huge retail areas interspersed.
Mocky: for example, there are 12 malls in Doha. if you stood on top of one, could see others.
Mocky: so not at the edge of the city only, but almost everywhere
diana_coman: ah, makes some sense; though I gather it's basically living among the malls and sand but I suppose that's what it is
Mocky: actually the only sand is at construction sites. of which there are many. in the city that is. nicely paved streets with nice looking brick sidewalks ~everywhere
Mocky: some massive constructions sites with thousands of laborers
diana_coman: well yes, but that's basically adding concrete/brick to the mix; soil is still what it is
Mocky: week two has been wheel spinning so far like most of week 1. I've had in person conversations with 30+ people in the last week about business and finding a local business sponsor. None of these people are locals, none of them knows a local in business, or even an expat in business, or had any idea what they would do if needed to find.
diana_coman: are they all employed there? or tourists or what?
Mocky: the class system is strong, i've met only bottom 3 classes: guilded cage workers
diana_coman: aha, not very surprising
Mocky: but Qataris don't mix with the help, except the partying 20 somethings that don't want to work (reportedly) and they don't seem to be in their parents wot
Mocky: well not so 'guilded' for the bottom two classes, but at least they can leave now if they want
diana_coman: I must say I don't really have any concrete idea unfortunately re how to go about to find an entrance to qatari wot
Mocky: i went to both coworks. well, "coworks" one is 15th floor of a bank highrise that was empty and expensive. the other is trying to be a startup incubator run by the ministry of communications
diana_coman: oh huh, and no work at the startup incubator?
Mocky: but there's exactly no one here who would use a coworks. you either came here for a job, or your dad can get you a job
Mocky: so the startup incubator is not at all like what i expected
diana_coman: I'd naively expect there would be at least some sort of link possible at the incubator; no events either?
Mocky: no they have events and even people there, but i can't get in, lol
Mocky: you have to get approved, but there's no one actually at the place to approve you, only desk minders. and if approved you have to join the sv track
Mocky: ie year one do this, year 2 do this...
diana_coman: hm, but no way to even attend one of the events i.e. as visitor?
Mocky: the events are: make your slide deck, public speaking workshops, have an app...
diana_coman: the point being to my mind to perhaps meet *there* some people worth meeting, not as much joining the track per se
diana_coman: and at those workshops the audience is only incubator-fellows or what?
Mocky: they did have an event the day i arrived, but i missed it. no more events on the near calendar
diana_coman: ah, pitty; well, hopefully they have more than 1 / year, lol
diana_coman: failing that, I guess 20 somethings partying at least have a local father, for whatever good that might be
Mocky: no sure who shows up, probably mandatory for those in-program
Mocky: i'm about to implement plan b, and talk to the local companies that advertise to help you get your business started and help find you a sponsor
diana_coman: my limited experience with a business incubator in south tyrol was that there were also people from local businesses + local government, but I have no idea to what extent this experience means anything for qatar-incubator
diana_coman: that sounds worth a shot too, certainly
Mocky: one of them claims on their website that certain IT and consulting busniesses don't require a local sponsor. if they actually have experience with these things I expect it to be helpful
Mocky: not sure yet what the cost, or thier criteria
diana_coman: worth finding out at least
Mocky: ftr: the bottom class is outside laborers, housed in barracks, transported by busses
diana_coman: sounds pretty much like usual "cattle-class"
Mocky: next to bottom class is cheap workers who aren't permitted to get a drivers license: http://archive.is/Cg7uU
Mocky: but also drivers are in that class, lol
diana_coman: wait what, drivers aren't permitted to get a drivers' license?
Mocky: haha no, they can get license but not escape their 'station'
Mocky: this class works 12 hour days, or shift work and still has no money left over to actually do anything in thier free time
diana_coman: sounds like ol' world drivers/gardeners/maids/cooks/servants in general, no?
Mocky: but also includes memebers of the next class up who are of the wrong race
diana_coman: ah well, if not a camel, then can't camel I suppose
Mocky: engineers, techies, skilled jobs who are indian, malay etc.
Mocky: but the upper class of foreign workers has a better deal than they'd get back home. comparable pay, dozen weeks of holiday per year, no taxes, housing provided
Mocky: allowed to drive
Mocky: actually i'm pretty sure everyone is getting a better deal than back home come to think of it
diana_coman: they wouldn't go there otherwise, would they
diana_coman: at the end of the day it's not exactly qatar's fault that it's so shitty at home for those people that they'd rather eat the sand there
Mocky: can't build a pittsburg out of the sand in 35 years without grunts
Mocky: well i guess more like DC or SF but with ~twice the popluation
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863957 << were you able to discover against whom these were built? generally folx dun build castles when no enemy..
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 08:21 Mocky: 8 foot walls for the cheap housing 20 foot for expensive. From what i can tell ~nobody lives outside of such 'fortress'
Mocky: no, but I mean to ask. 100% ubiquitous here
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 13:25 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863957 << were you able to discover against whom these were built? generally folx dun build castles when no enemy..
diana_coman: or rather: enemy can be defined very loosely (sand! strangers' eyes!)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the american folx indeed define loosely ; they build wooden fence tho, not ferrocement
asciilifeform: the latter, to me suggests a present enemy
Mocky: one thing i can say is that in the past there were guards hired at many villas to monitor the comings and goings. lover cannot be snuck into parents house easily, and expats had same problem here. "cannot bring girlfriend over... guard"
Mocky: it's not so anymore. now it's more "don't ask dont' tell", though unwed sex is still illegal, and some "family" oriented hotels here will ask for marriage cert
Mocky: evidently they no longer care unless you force them to care. like having a domestic dispute where police are called while living together unwed
Mocky: then ... "trouble"
Mocky: also there's the angle of "good fences make good neighbors". but I'll ask
diana_coman: makes some sense: if you want our help than stick to our rules; if you follow your rules than wtf you want from us
diana_coman: iirc thick walls also -> cooler; though this might make more sense for building rather than garden
asciilifeform: Mocky: from your earlier description , sounds like there are no 'lumpens' in qatar ? ( if so, this is pretty neat )
Mocky: idle layabouts?
asciilifeform: well not just any idlers, but folx not fitting into the structure. bums, pickpockets, the typical bipedal ferals of 'civilization'
asciilifeform: ( while on subj, what's the punishment system like ? can attend a good beheading, arm-chopping ? )
Mocky: quite rigid structure, few if any cracks to fall into. Foreigner is tourist, sponsored worker, or businessman. plenty of idle locals, but idle rich in nature, if not substance
Mocky: flogging is still a thing here
asciilifeform: ha, nice
asciilifeform: ... public ?
Mocky: but not often employed
Mocky: I don't know about public or not. as part of sharia law it applies only to muslims. they have secular law for non muslims.
Mocky: it's still on the books, 40 lashes for sex outside marriage for a muslim. i think they did it as recently as a few years ago
Mocky: for the man only
Mocky: finger / hand / arm chopping ... not a thing anymore here
Mocky: fewer lashes for theft etc. I know the corporal punishment sentences are handed down, but not always implemented. I don't know the ratio of commuting to jail time / deportation
Mocky: gotta pass a medical exam that says if you'd survive. can keep shirt on. reportedly brusing not bleeding
asciilifeform: makes sense tho, if errybody is either a baron or cheapo gastarbeiter , deportation worx
asciilifeform: meanwhile, upstack, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863739 , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863746 >> nao perma-mirrored! >> http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/bolix/amberglint_macsyma_pill.txt , http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/bolix/amberglint_ns_pill.txt
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 00:41 amberglint: thankfully someone shared the crack with me, which I pasted here: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/91Gll/?raw=true
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 00:43 amberglint: here's the crack for Macsyma: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TRpId/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: In other news: The Peruana, Gloria, has passed her examinations and will be getting licensed in the profession of vaccination.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863959 << what you're describing is pretty much where the current world's going. ~same here, ~same in moscow, whatever.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 08:25 Mocky: in the 'burbs there are sort of ticky tack housing communities where a couple dozen villas will share one big wall, with guard on duty at the gate.
mircea_popescu: it's a sad testament to the age of "enlightment" that we went from 1600s manor house to 1800s brownstone tenement and now to 2000s tallwall. dark ages ftw.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 09:10 Mocky: for example, there are 12 malls in Doha. if you stood on top of one, could see others.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 09:26 Mocky: week two has been wheel spinning so far like most of week 1. I've had in person conversations with 30+ people in the last week about business and finding a local business sponsor. None of these people are locals, none of them knows a local in business, or even an expat in business, or had any idea what they would do if needed to find.
mircea_popescu: "so... what do you do ?" "uhm i dunno man... we just live here. it's just a gig, it's not our life. wanna toke ?"
Mocky: pretty much
mircea_popescu: and then when i say there's a lot of supernumerary bodies...
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/10/tech-press-touting-latest-google-fritz-chip/ << Qntra - Tech "Press" Touting Latest Google Fritz Chip
BingoBoingo: Mocky: I take it there is a beach?
BingoBoingo: <Mocky> the downtown area wraps the bay and is maybe 10 blocks deep. I guess you could call this 'a ring'. the rest of the city is basically concentric circles of rings b - f (actual street names) between which are neighborhoods of predominantly residential villas but with huge retail areas interspersed. << The rings sounds rather like 1900's-1950's Montevideo
mircea_popescu: ~same planners im sure.
BingoBoingo: Or same books
Mocky: there are a bunch of beaches. some closes during turtle nesting season. spread around qatar. not sure how many close to Doha, but not like it's a big country
BingoBoingo: But once shopping malls came here, future laying out went less deterministic. Still, very reliable street number system here.
Mocky: the big thing is the party boats in west bay, wooden boats you can seen in like half the public pics of Doha skyline.
BingoBoingo: Mocky: Well, do the locals go there? Take four of the girls you met and lounge around with the for a weekday evening. Good chance that might be how you meet locals.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864068 << for extra lulz, BingoBoingo : i regged an acct on their www and submitted comment, and (spoiler) 'Submitted and awaiting moderation...' for hrs nao
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 15:34 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/10/tech-press-touting-latest-google-fritz-chip/ << Qntra - Tech "Press" Touting Latest Google Fritz Chip
Mocky: dozens of party boats that head out for afternoon / evening party / swimming in the bay. thumping music in harbor at night
mircea_popescu: Mocky it's possible they may have a prequal system, if not necessarily what BingoBoingo describes.
mircea_popescu: "must be in right time at right place" sorta deal ; otherwise LOTS of people (and a LOT more than care to admit) spent 60s in california looking for the party.
BingoBoingo: Anyway, fishing locals by social class is a thing.
BingoBoingo: It seems pretty clear the 20 foot concrete fences are for privacy under the pretext of security
Mocky: if there are local girls who dont' look exactly like this at all times in public, I havent seen: http://www.milenio.com/tendencias/Mujeres-Arabia-Saudita_MILIMA20160119_0193_8.jpg
mircea_popescu: Mocky egypt is same way, except then in private it's topless party w/e.
BingoBoingo: Hence the walls.
mircea_popescu: i'm exaggerating, but anyways. very huge in/outdoors distinction
Mocky: that seems to be the report from housekeepers. bored qataris with nothing to do but shisha, sex and kfc
mircea_popescu talking to "party girl" at some point (ukr chick, too) about it : "don't you find it intolerable ?" "well... i think of it as a perpetual costume party in the street."
mircea_popescu: she'd work winters in the (at the time) super-hottest-spot-on-earth, some expensive & pointless UAE resort development.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863976 << this is very much the one great gain of multi-female household. you don't have to put the spawn in wot. imo worth weight in gold.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 09:29 Mocky: but Qataris don't mix with the help, except the partying 20 somethings that don't want to work (reportedly) and they don't seem to be in their parents wot
mircea_popescu: much like EVEN NOW the cost of disease still fails to exceed the benefit from sexuate reproduction, i suspect the same applies there : any other drawbacks a social system may have, the fact it dun force you to put woman's children in your wot is still enough to bring it above water.
mircea_popescu has exactly 0 intention of entertaining the "but i am your son!" bs in any case. everyone's someone's son, and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-17#1628787
a111: Logged on 2017-03-17 14:22 asciilifeform: recall the anecdote re w. shockley's 'genius spermbank' calling feynman ? him: 'whatcha bothering ~me~ for, talk to my father'
BingoBoingo: In other jailbreaks: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/profugo-de-carcel-central-asesinatos-17-rapinas-y-otras-atrocidades-20181019121442
mircea_popescu: atrocidades lol.
asciilifeform: 'Había ingresado hacía menos de una semana y estaba alojado en la celda siete del cuarto piso, junto a otros cinco internos. Se escapó luego de romper una reja, saltar desde varios metros de altura a un pozo de aire desde una altura de 12 metros, entrar a un depósito en donde encontró el uniforme de policía con el que se vistió para pasar desapercibido, y forzar una puerta...' << lol hollywood escape
asciilifeform suspects instead orc escape, chum bribed guard , walked through open door
mircea_popescu: who was that guy that had a number of children with the assortment of strippers hired to "guard" him back in the zone ?
asciilifeform: usa iirc
mircea_popescu: hence "the zone"
asciilifeform: and hey, prior to that , who was it, luciano ? who had proper carpeted flat, writing desk, whores, in cell
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 09:30 Mocky: well not so 'guilded' for the bottom two classes, but at least they can leave now if they want
Mocky: lol yup
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll believe the hollywood escape is possible. All most of the kids here eat is hollywood.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not necessarily that it happened ; but you gotta understand the interaction between massively multiplayer ineptitude and internalized castration. prison sits there for years at a stretch without encountering an actual human being, 100% redditards spinning in their own internalized mental narratives, incapable of finding way out of paper bag. slowly decays, under imaginary maintenance, the sort that the aforement
mircea_popescu: ioned tend to apply. "did that fix things ?" "i did what was in the book" "but did it work ?" "what do you want from me! what i do is just a gig! it's not my life!!!".
mircea_popescu: then runs into actual human, suddenly the whole thing's closer to a drawing than anyone realised.
mircea_popescu: or to use yest's terminology, after years of being maintained and populated by intelligent people, carcel central suddenly ran into a smart guy.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly naively, i pictured that the clink is the 1 place that regularly frictions against actual-human folx. but whoknows, after N gens of reddit, this.
mircea_popescu: i'd say sqft of prison floor is actually slightly more deranged than sqft of starbucks
asciilifeform: maybe moar deranged, but also moar decisive, neh ?
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, was ~always~ the case. during soviet times, i recall older guy saying to (friend) who worked at jail, "god fucking help you if an actual thief ever ends up in there".
mircea_popescu: "he'll pick a lock and you'll be shot" "oh... i know ;(".
BingoBoingo: And in still other local news, the Tranny reparations bill passed. Trannys born before 1975 with documentation showing "persecution under the dictatorship" (i.e. commie scum) will be getting 11.000 pesos monthly. The estimates are 150-180 of these tranny reparations will be made, and I am guessing everyone receiving them will be an FA party member.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: capital-B thief ? or lower case
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform competency rather than connectivity is discussed.
mircea_popescu: locks, you knoiw ? what's in a lock
mircea_popescu: especially if elite talent's stuck there boring with it.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so they went to all this trouble to vote themselves a ~1mn annuity ?
mircea_popescu: this FA business is very fucking inept.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And it is inept in a way that is alienating the labor folk who "support" them
mircea_popescu: ikr ?
mircea_popescu: it's funny how the worst traits of pantsuitism export easiest.
mircea_popescu: i'd say http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687624 ; but then again the suspicion in my mind is that this is the sort of thing thatd happen anyway.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 19:52 asciilifeform: because unlearns faster than learns.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: by all accts, typical escape in su proper was during conveyance . prisons had well developed systems of stoolies, capos, cells packed like sardine can, not much lock fiddling there.
mircea_popescu: ie, guy who was gonna steal a cookie was gonna steal a cookie ; that in the one case where he stole it he saw some guy stealing from a jar in miami so "he was emboldened by the sight" is entirely uncausative. he'd have stolen it because a spider climbed the wall and similarily "inspired" his dumb ass.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ro jail wasn't ever that full.
mircea_popescu: well, not after 60s at any rate.
asciilifeform: interesting, gotta wonder wainot
mircea_popescu: maybe see above ? lol.
mircea_popescu: anyway, what the dudes did have was a very strangely nordic, respectful and ellaborate ritual dealing with homosexuality.
mircea_popescu: somehow managed to maintain bizarre taboos, such as "not using same dishes/flatware" across sexual orientation.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: trad in ru also
asciilifeform: 'spoon with hole'
mircea_popescu: right, which is why i mention
mircea_popescu: lmao. nah, wasn't agressive, strangely enough.
mircea_popescu: almost as if picking factions in mmorpg.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, Uruguay has one jailbreak story. Back in the dictatorship years a bunch of Commie scum (~150 NPCs) locked up in the future Punta Carretas Shopping tunneled their way out.
BingoBoingo: Why deny it a second cooler story?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so sad all the 70s dictatorships failed. argentina'd have been a way better place if the junta shot 10x more students and beat ~all of them.
mircea_popescu: twice, for good measure.
BingoBoingo: Fucking Uruguay's put themselves up for referendum! And let themselves lose!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ar is still historical puzzler to me -- they sprayed and sprayed, and no end of roaches; what was the issue, notenuff spray ?
BingoBoingo: The dictatorship in Uruguay legalized cannabis in the 1970's to neuter the hippies and by the 1980's they lost at the ballot box.
mircea_popescu: i think the problem was they permitted buenos aires agglomeration
mircea_popescu: should have gulag'd properly.
asciilifeform: ( why wouldja stop at 10,000, lol, picture if stalin stopped )
BingoBoingo: Complete ineptness in social engineering
asciilifeform: argentina even comes with pretty great built-in siberia
asciilifeform: build a kolyma in pampas...
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i think the problem was they permitted buenos aires agglomeration << The more time I spend here the more horrifying the idea of a Buenos Aires is.
BingoBoingo: 10x the warm bodies, no thanks
BingoBoingo: Not from this stock
mircea_popescu: yeah. problem is stalin got lucky (in the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759568 sense ) and siberia was "rich". pampas -- no such thing. so they didn't have the stepping stone, for it to occur to them, what to do with lefty students.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 14:27 mircea_popescu: there is no, strictly speaking, reason that iron MUST be provided on the surface of a planet just like the earth. it ~could~, very well, have simply gone through a place poor in planetoids and ended up entirely iron free on the surface. but it did not.
asciilifeform: rly, entirely barren land ? no wood, no coal, no uranium, nuffin ?
asciilifeform: anybody ever so much as bothered to drill an' see ?
mircea_popescu: but yes, totally -- go to college, on entrance test basis, 100% free, luxurios accomodations even. however at the end of it, the bottom half straight to kolyma.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: All the copper's in Chile on the other side of the mountains
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ancient aluvionary plain. dead as disco.
mircea_popescu: not that they did drill that much. but then again neither did stalin, at first.
asciilifeform: gulagistan wasn't exactly rich in surface minerals, either, most of the digs were fairly deep
mircea_popescu: huge north-south difference in earth. a little like -- will find more bug residue on car windshield than back-facing spoilers.
asciilifeform: and '9000' empty holes for erry strike
asciilifeform can picture this
mircea_popescu: but i'm not saying it shouldn't have been done or couldn't have been done just as well
mircea_popescu: i'm saying they missed the convenient doping in the mental dielectric to allow the sparking of "this! what we do is THIS!"
asciilifeform: esp. odd considering that orig spanish had 0 problem with gulag for the aboriginal extras
asciilifeform: ( consider from where 'spanish gold' )
BingoBoingo: Or in Uruguay's case non-prison genocide because they ate the wrong fellow
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863981 << one idea is, most of these4 people prolly have a gf, who is possibly attempting to "live independently". talk to whatever aspirational class girlies do there ? "real estate agent" is it in latam ; maybe "expensive shop 5th avenue of doha" ? thjat was ~it in bucharest.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 09:33 Mocky: but there's exactly no one here who would use a coworks. you either came here for a job, or your dad can get you a job
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they did not read/understand colon-ial history.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863986 << ahahahaha they think cowork is uni lab! roflmao.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 09:36 Mocky: ie year one do this, year 2 do this...
mircea_popescu: orcs have nfi how any man tools work, do they ?!
Mocky: silicon valley emulator
mircea_popescu: not AT ALL how sv works lol. this is MIT emulator, 30 years later and made out of shit&hay.
mircea_popescu: anyway, turns out qatar suffers from inverse problem of white world -- OVERmanaged.
Mocky: right, paul grahamluator
mircea_popescu: isn't speciation an incredible fucking phenomenon ? how can such divides naturally occur ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863988 << fucking endearing. might as well document all of this for future lulz Mocky
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 09:37 Mocky: the events are: make your slide deck, public speaking workshops, have an app...
mircea_popescu: i have a feeling all these discussions will be referenced lots and lots in future, i'd rather not have anything trashed later "for lack of evidence".
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863989 << no, because if they're there they're definitionally not worth meeting. exactly how you wouldn't try and hire for s.mg from the ro army ged class.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 09:37 diana_coman: the point being to my mind to perhaps meet *there* some people worth meeting, not as much joining the track per se
Mocky: that reminds me how overstaffed everything is here. jewelry store in side a hypermarket, 7 dudes behind the counter. not enough room to all stretch arms out. 3 guards. zero customers. in the mall no matter where you go, will be in sight of 2 security guards
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 09:38 diana_coman: failing that, I guess 20 somethings partying at least have a local father, for whatever good that might be
mircea_popescu: Mocky alf's method above, yes ? :D stollies & all.
Mocky: i see a resemblance
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 09:49 Mocky: next to bottom class is cheap workers who aren't permitted to get a drivers license: http://archive.is/Cg7uU
mircea_popescu: if cr implemenrted this same thing, "no driving license for office drone / cal lcenter chickie / whatever pipedream "professional" class" they'd have 0 problems left to fix.
Mocky: even in the grocery, a dozen security guards on duty at once. some walking some guarding
mircea_popescu: "Financial Services Worker" ; "Barber Beautician" yup it's 100% directed at them too
Mocky: ikr? that list is the old one too. the newer once is twice as long, includes "computer programmer"
mircea_popescu: PERFECT omfg.
mircea_popescu: if only qatar took over south tyrol, we'd have something.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864009 << no, actually, sounds like "stupid daugthers". it's ~100% pantsuit list.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 09:51 diana_coman: sounds like ol' world drivers/gardeners/maids/cooks/servants in general, no?
Mocky: i get it now why ubers swarm like piranha, most need a taxi to get around
Mocky: and also why so reasonably priced
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864022 << yes, they do. enemy -- in own head. postmodern times.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 13:25 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863957 << were you able to discover against whom these were built? generally folx dun build castles when no enemy..
mircea_popescu: which reminds me of a bon mot i put out 20 years ago. "rich dude" of the warren buffett/alexander abramov was building house. very large, somerwaht brutalistic, remarkably small windows. "why are the windows so small ?!" "he's trying to re-create his prison experience".
asciilifeform: Mocky, mircea_popescu : the 'professions not given driver license' thing dun make much sense imho; why not much shorter list of who ~is~ given, 'titled baron', 'ceo of co listed on exchange', 'fuhrer', etc
Mocky: fwiw, i quite like it. all comers don't need to look in my windows and knock on my door
mircea_popescu: people's problems -- in their heads. it's the 3rd millenium after a ll.
asciilifeform: why the massive list of 'milkman', 'muazin', etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "cause fuck you, that's why" ?
asciilifeform: strikes me as 'enumerated bad'(tm) is all
Mocky: fine grained sortage of foreigners
Mocky: the list of permitted would be longer
asciilifeform: iirc in asia they have ~same thing, but encoded differently, they simply charge 100k $ for 'car tax'
mircea_popescu: maybe the idea is that since people will focus on the list, they'd rather them focus on the negative list and try to get out than focus on the positive and try to break the system.
asciilifeform: could be
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also a good idea. the girls know how many times i went "car license - 100k!"
asciilifeform: iirc even in some sad old europistans they had this
asciilifeform: ( norway ? )
asciilifeform: picture, roads where transport actually moves...
mircea_popescu: this "cars for all comers" toyota program of doom gotta cease.
Mocky: traffic is only bad here during rush hour, and even then not as bad as rush hour in us cities. so long as you avoid the "10 minute lights"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864040 << your favourite shoemaker used to have the police regularly beat these, and then detain them in workcamps.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 13:48 asciilifeform: well not just any idlers, but folx not fitting into the structure. bums, pickpockets, the typical bipedal ferals of 'civilization'
mircea_popescu: in retrospect is the #1 thing i like about him.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: stalin pioneered
asciilifeform: re drivers -- why not, e.g., combine license and taxi medallion. wanna drive ? register as driver, buy medallion, dun have to carry passengers or paint livery on 'cab' if you dun feel like, but pony up.
asciilifeform: usa is a peculiar horror, with little-to-no reliable public transport in most places; but pretty much errywhere else, could easily do as above
Mocky: i'm sure the qataris in lambos would love that angle
asciilifeform: what's an extra 100k on a 2mil lambo
Mocky: "now you are officially a limo driver also" "wtf!?"
BingoBoingo: I am sure there would be a lot less cars in Uruguay if motherfuckers weren't spending all day doing the Uber to pay for their cars
BingoBoingo: But when living 3-5 generations to a household...
asciilifeform: Mocky: afaik pilots already live with ~exactly this system
asciilifeform: Mocky: herr baron himself aint 'limo driver' tho. even in nyc most medallion owners do not themselves drive cab.
asciilifeform: they own fleets.
Mocky: here, civilized person can't walk more than 3 blocks outside during midday. would be drenched in sweat. likewise can't stand for 15 minutes waiting for bus. it's get into a car with AC or smell like the riff raff
Mocky: but the sun sets early without daylight savings time, and it cools quickly without the sun, so can walk outside after about 4:45
mircea_popescu: training for mars, cosmonautski.
mircea_popescu: Mocky another angle : find someone to sell btc to.
Mocky: localbitcoins shows one dude in country. and a couple nearby in SA, dubai etc.
Mocky: one dude with one transaction
mircea_popescu: talk about it to the dude and to all older local males you can find.
mircea_popescu: and all the sons.
Mocky: yeah, good idea
Mocky: I can find local males, there are tons walking around malls in bright white robes with their families.
Mocky: keeping an eye on their females
BingoBoingo: Mocky: One encouraging thing you have in Qatar that you don't in Uruguay is evidence these people have money somewhere, hence buying S-400's from Russia
Mocky: yeah, lots of money
Mocky: i'm meeting 25 more people tomorrow at some meetup thing at a mall with gondola rides thru an interior canal
mircea_popescu: anyway, make it a point of conversation. prolly will help dredge for you.
Mocky: I talk to people about what I'm doing here and I'm not really all that good at talking to people and I only half know wtf i'm doing here. i mean in a way that I can explain to randos and have it make sense
mircea_popescu: and don't be ashamed/shy away from saying things like "i'm a representative of the most serene republic of bitcoin, we're looking to build etc".
a111: Logged on 2018-10-03 03:41 asciilifeform: ( pretty hard, imho, to even begin in language heathens might understand.. )
mircea_popescu: it's weird, yers. but in the circumstances as i understand them, weird is 500x times better than trite, "hello sir, i r guampatambatam from my country india"
mircea_popescu: Mocky what's the half you don't know ?
Mocky: that's about how i feel honestly when walking up to people and talking to them about this stuff
mircea_popescu: "that" ?
Mocky: "hello sir, i'm a nigerian prince with excellent business opportunities"
mircea_popescu: um. but why ?
mircea_popescu: "i'm a guy who knows a lot of shit you orcs don't."
mircea_popescu: you literally came from the future, all those boyiush fantasies of "what if i landed in medieval blabla" are ~this.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864258 - now I wonder what arab ghosts have left to wear
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 17:09 Mocky: I can find local males, there are tons walking around malls in bright white robes with their families.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864252 << i guess i misspoke. what i meant was, "find someone who really really was desperately trying to buy btc but never could before, because insulated in the qtar shitland"
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 17:05 mircea_popescu: Mocky another angle : find someone to sell btc to.
Mocky: hey, maybe if i actually was suave then could come up with how to explain the future to orcs, but i'll get more chances to try tomorrow in any case
mircea_popescu: lol dun take it so hard. i dunno you're doing anything wrong, what.
BingoBoingo: <Mocky> that's about how i feel honestly when walking up to people and talking to them about this stuff << "I am refugee from the US here to Make Great, Great Again"
Mocky: it's weird because they way they look up to americans and western companies / universities, while also infidel
Mocky: white man is on a pedestal here. americans the most
BingoBoingo: They do that here too "Gringo colonizers" "Capitalist pigs"
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864270 >> I don't have everything sorted in my mind. I don't know yet what they need or perceive that they need. or how to position myself with respect to the microsoft/cisco/cornell they have respect so much.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 17:19 mircea_popescu: Mocky what's the half you don't know ?
Mocky: "they have respect so much" damn, only 10 days and I'm already doing english like the indians/philipinos/nigerians/ethiopians/tanzanians/wakandans etc.
Mocky: it's hard to understand people here, randomly selected thick accent each time. it's a relief to run into brit or irish
mircea_popescu: jesus. don't do that.
mircea_popescu: in any case -- our objerction to the microshit/cisco/cornell pile is that they're NOT NEARLY WHITE ENOUGH, for our tastes.
mircea_popescu: so communicate that, how hard can it be. "oh, cisco, so last century. white man has made even more cornell-ian cornell nao."
mircea_popescu: on top of it being the exact situation in the field, it's also something easy enough to digest for orc mind.
asciilifeform: in moar minor noose, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-18#1863610 is a++ display but pretty sad box, i forgot just how rubbishy these were, cramped kbd with coarse molded plastic feels like sumthing straight from toy store, touch pad thing is the size of 2 postage stamps, arm rest creaks...
a111: Logged on 2018-10-18 20:16 asciilifeform: this will be a cuntoo box, when i get around to redisking it
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo : it's pretty much exactly like those things sold in the sunday market in BingoBoingostan
BingoBoingo: Except now it has a sweet screen and the ones in the market have mega sad screens
asciilifeform: at least i can only with difficulty picture anybody wanting to steal it..
asciilifeform: the 'qi' crystal has '90s-style viewing angle, too. coupla degrees left or right and it's ~half visible. i suppose for some applications this, too, is win
asciilifeform: it's moar or less ideal box for expeditions into deep orcistan. but to work on it all day would be pretty painful.
BingoBoingo: Dell made a 10" Latitude 'business netbook' which appears to be common in the online listings here (Marketing point was it is the robust netbook). I wonder if it will eat the Qi.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: best as i can tell, nuffin but samsung n30, n150, lenovo s10-2 (but not s10-3, i opened one and no dice, cabling too short) will eat the thing.
asciilifeform: test unit here is 'n150' .
BingoBoingo might have to do some reading/lamenting there isn't an 11.6" version
asciilifeform: the only mass prod / gettable one , is pq3qi-01 .
asciilifeform: 235 x 143 mm .
BingoBoingo: I tried doing some digging and also found a still smaller 7" version
asciilifeform: extinct afaik
asciilifeform: i'd buy a troo b&w crystal in a heartbeat, but nobody afaik ever made'em in usable ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859393 ) or near, res, or in such a way that'd electrically fit any available box
a111: Logged on 2018-10-08 14:10 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859362 << 16 (plain, no bolds) x 80 == 1280 min. horiz. pixels needed for this.
BingoBoingo: OMG reading summarizing back in time
asciilifeform: imho it was great
billymg: trinque: update on progress: after several nights of heavy drinking i managed to also catch a cold. working on mp-wp setup this afternoon (at reduced capacity) and was able to press and get it to http://188.8.131.52
billymg: i also added the libmcrypt ebuild here http://184.108.40.206/downloads/libmcrypt.ebuild.tar.gz
billymg: which allows for emerging without upgrading portage to the gpg2 requiring version
billymg: just need to extract into /usr/local/portage to use
BingoBoingo: I get a tonsilitis, billymg gets a cold... Under the two times coincidence rule if one more person gets sick this week, gotta call it biowarfare
billymg: lol not just us, others in my meat-wot as well
billymg: with whom i did not come in contact, otherwise would go without saying
Mocky: my tonsils have felt swolen for past 4 hours but im not saying it out loud so it wont be real
Mocky: but i think it's because my AC has been our for 6 hrs, cuz totally
BingoBoingo: The Peruana has the sore throat deal about a month ago, but she sought medical attention as soon as she registered a fever, because nurse has to get that work note to show the hospital
Mocky: and i mean it's cool that 3 dudes will show up to fix your ac at 11pm, back in states it's 9-5 strictly, but man pushing up on 1am and they still working and not seeing signals of competence...
BingoBoingo: Mocky: It could also be that you hit the 2 week mark and the local viruses caught up to your presence
Mocky: i would say that local virii stand no chance against me but that would jinx it
BingoBoingo: And now that Uruguay passed tranny reparations, they can turn to the real scourge: "Gobierno quiere prohibir que se cruce la calle mirando el celular"
Mocky: my AC compressor on the roof had a problem. now these clowns didn't fix it but did manage to break the indoor fan and circuit board as well. and i gotta get up in 6 hours for this meet and greet. gonna be a sweaty night
BingoBoingo: Godspeed Mocky
mircea_popescu: <billymg> trinque: update on progress: after several nights of heavy drinking i managed to also catch a cold. <<< bwahahah ok this was pretty lulzy.
mircea_popescu: "it's cool that 3 dudes will show up to fix your ac at 11pm ; it's sad that they're not particularily qualified to fix anytrhing, or even be indoors, really..."
mircea_popescu: you know, if they just uber'd ows over to your house, the us could also do 11pm
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i had one of these not long ago !
asciilifeform: srsly! d00d showed up to fix leaking condensate drain, took 3 (!) trips to... not fix anyffing, ceiling drip, drip
asciilifeform: finally vendor sends an actual tech, who fixes and takes pics, then reveals 'oh him? he was a fraud'
asciilifeform: and come to think of it, tech #1 did look rather like a 'ows' ...
BingoBoingo to celebrate first visual tonsil regression with early beachwalk (They put the lifeguard huts up this week). Brb, voy a ver mis olas.
asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, panzers! zoolag going down for ~30min for test of experimental patch, in ~10m
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf i found today that your keccak-vdiff is unable to eat a 40MB file ( dies politely with stack overflow )
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: this is not good.
asciilifeform: it's a fairly simple fix, as i understand, gotta up the max stack
asciilifeform: but , importantly, will have to arrive at a max, if using stack.
asciilifeform: there is not a magical way out of this on linux, sadly.
asciilifeform: meanwhile: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! >> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-October/000315.html
asciilifeform: ( and yes mod6 it will have to be reground, but it experimental patch, so this is not avoidable at any rate )
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf plox to snarf http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-October/000315.html into 'experiment' tree.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: adventurous souls who can spare ~hour of CPU, are invited to shit out own snapshot, and diff w/ above.
asciilifeform: errybody oughta see exactly ~same~ output.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform should prolly go in the config file o.O
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho yes
asciilifeform: iirc can even be set machinewide, but i fughet how
mircea_popescu: i guess so. there were some other items scattered about re what should go in the config file for vtron
asciilifeform: there is of course another method, keccak could use my mmap thing
asciilifeform: ( once i finally shit out the cleaned/reground/keccakized genesis thereof, it's near in the conveyor )
asciilifeform: bonus, will run substantially faster.
asciilifeform: really mmap is the champ for disk i/o on unixlikes.
mircea_popescu: not a bad idea, at that.