deedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2018/10/18/smg-comms-chapter-3-packing-serpent/ << Ossasepia - SMG Comms Chapter 3: Packing Serpent
asciilifeform: in other lulz, 'VMware ESXi, Fusion and Workstation contain an out-of-bounds read vulnerability in SVGA device. This issue may allow a guest to execute code on the host.'
asciilifeform: ( unlike e.g. xen, these are pretty rare, at least publicly )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-18#1863423 >> 'Tree A is single' << this dun tell much...
a111: Logged on 2018-10-18 07:01 deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=56 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 10/15/2018
BingoBoingo: For some reason my tonsils got huge and they feel like they are trying to pull out the insides of my ears. Going to go test the socialized medicine.
mircea_popescu: too much dulche the leche icecream bb!
asciilifeform: that or finally mumps
mircea_popescu: he never had it AND not vaccinated ?!
mircea_popescu: why the fuck ?
asciilifeform: tho i did think the 'vaccination, eh, so 19th c' thing were a recent ('90s?) fashion
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what you're talking about. as far as i know ~all white kids are vaccinated around 1 year and then right before kindergarten ; and have since about 1920.
asciilifeform: it's what i thought ! but apparently not
mircea_popescu: i find this kinda hard to believe.
asciilifeform: i learned, for instance, that '80s-born folx in usa never got smallpox vaccine
asciilifeform: ( bush II hurriedly reintroduced it, but only in the army )
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://thetarpit.org/uploads/2018/10/heraklion-15-thumb.jpg << is that serpentine a typical greek runway ? somehow seems oddly adequate...
asciilifeform: hmm, possibly ben_vulpes knows the troof re what vaccines still given in usa to schoolkidz.
asciilifeform: lol! that's a runway?!
mircea_popescu: in crete.
asciilifeform: for what, i wonder, for daedalus ?
mircea_popescu: are you questioning their traditions ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in news from ivan :
mircea_popescu: "littlems_muffin 21F sub 6d Your fantasy of obtaining already serving woman is fucking sad mate! Not even close to a reality. Go fuck yourself instead. Do not disrespect me again. Master Ivan" "LordMPofTMSR 37M Master 6d Oh sorry, I thought it was Igor."
asciilifeform: wonder how many of those accts consist solely of ivan, and a paper cutout placeholder chix 'so others come'. sorta like duck hunt decoy.
mircea_popescu: i would guess about 60% or so of 2?F "sub" girlies exist on fetlife only as the fruit of the overactive imagination of a beta "M" somewhere.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha! close to two thirds, really.
mircea_popescu: in this sense, "transsexualism" is merely conceptyual leakage brought about by the sort of leaky abstractions that go in the making of an ivan in the first place.
asciilifeform: 'you are what you pretend to be'(tm)(r) eh
mircea_popescu: you know ?
asciilifeform: sorta why the ancients distrusted theatre actors, neh
mircea_popescu: we could restate the life narrative of the millenian in the terminology of "It may be argued that what is wrong with Soviet art is not that it restricts itself to the common experience but that its version of that experience is false; were it faithfully to reflect the true experience of the Soviet masses it might be valid art. But how can one speak of a common Soviet experience without taking into account that it itself is fo
mircea_popescu: rmed by Soviet mass culture? Mass-cultural statements are constantly in the process of making themselves true by causing people to experience their common lives in those terms." :
mircea_popescu: 1. teenager goes on journey. finds no mate.
mircea_popescu: 2. twentysomething "has learned something from his journey", proceeds to explore the vast echo chambers of "social" media with IMPROVED TOOLS!!! he has paper cutout placeholder chix 'so others come' nao, he is sly and urban nao, all those "other losers" that don't think of this (null set) be damned.
mircea_popescu: 3. thirtysomething has spent most of his formative sexual years pretending to be female. well...
asciilifeform: in sov. urban legendology there is a persistent, if not particularly plausible, tale, that some d00d had been given the job of dressing up in bear costume for brezhnev's safaris, and eventually shot
asciilifeform: ( 'played role to the end! growled as he expired! posthumous award of order-of-lenin!' )
mircea_popescu: apparently there's nothing quite as destructive of the human mind than insistently inculcated & socialized conviction that "there's a lot out there". i liveblogged how this fucked up argentina, ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-31#1442615 will have to do, i can't find the original discussion with the local dork now) and well...
a111: Logged on 2016-03-31 15:52 mircea_popescu: and the start and end of it all is, these atrocious fucktards, who think "sadly there's too many bars" and the whole surface of club in buenos aires would fit in one sane club in a sane place,
asciilifeform: the aolization of the net created this illusion; is what gave us spam, 'marketing', pestilential ads
asciilifeform: 'there are infinite chumps, nao if could find'em'
mircea_popescu: it's defo fucked up the worldview of the pleb. http://trilema.com/2017/fake-news-are-just-one-tail-of-the-failed-female-state/ doesn't even begin to do the topic justice.
mircea_popescu: there's just this baked in assumption that "LOT OUYT THERE!!!" when in fact there is ~0, not even epsilon, outright ~0, out there.
asciilifeform: in reality mostly bots talking to one another. with the occasional meatbot in the mix.
mircea_popescu: by the time you have to employ alien tech to extract some useful out of the pile, ocean-sifters of epic scale purpose built etc...
mircea_popescu: and yet, http://trilema.com/2017/i-think-they-might-be-overdoing-it-in-places/#selection-97.159-97.461
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thinking about it, the discussed problem re spam, http://trilema.com/2015/you-know-what-gets-no-airplay-unflattering-truth/#selection-931.0-931.721 is exactly borne of the same fount that gave us "transsexuals", yes.
asciilifeform: imho biggest surprise re mircea_popescu's fetlife dig is that any actual chix turned up at all. i wouldn't have expected there were any.
mircea_popescu: this hallucination of the adolescent mind that "definitely lots of chicks in cemetery, now if only could find right place to dig".
mircea_popescu: a converse way to look at it would be to say that online atomization overrepresents schelling points
mircea_popescu: in fact, 80% or more of what passes fro "creative" these days, ie shitty cable shows and "stand up comedy" consist entirely of "recognition porn". turtles visiting tokyo, "hey, turtle from osaka, you too thought the tram was a large dog ?!" "yes turtle from kyoto, that's exactly what i thought when i first saw a tram, did you think so too ?!" "yes this is a brilliant idea to think".
mircea_popescu: buncha fucken turtles. but the problem is, as ~100% of the population is coming to town from the first time, well... ~THE TOWN~ ends up consisting of what first time towners think the town's like.
mircea_popescu: sadly tokyo doesn't enjoy a lengthy history APART from the moron invasion.
mircea_popescu: (of course it does, but "nobody knows" because "it's not in vice" and "nobody with a clue would be here anyway" etc.)
asciilifeform: after a coupla cycles of this, what history possibly left.
mircea_popescu: and i think w'ere really on cycle 5
mircea_popescu: i mean, 1993 was cycle 1. then there was the wikitardia thing, alongside "slashdot" and "fark" and so on. that was defo 2.
mircea_popescu: then there's a digg cycle, and then there's a reddit cycle. and there probably was a small one in between, with wordpress and "shoemoney" and "web20" etc.
mircea_popescu: so, 5.
asciilifeform: wtf was 'shoemoney'
asciilifeform: i missed this one
asciilifeform: ( my model dun differ so much from mircea_popescu's, aside from where i lump the digg & reddit waves together in lump element, afaik they consisted of largely same lost souls )
mircea_popescu: you're familiar with how alphabet co pretends to have income ?
mircea_popescu: 100% of that entirely fictitious pile is built out of a generalized belief that there is such a thing as "adwords" and it does exchange money, and well... that guy was the early (and really, only) winner of that lottery market.
asciilifeform: aha, gets buckets of printolade and dresses up as 'income', like other usg.tbtf.corps.*
mircea_popescu: somehow hollywood had to pay millions in salaries to the few selected chumnps in its entire existence to keep the flow of waitresses going
mircea_popescu: not so for alphabet, paid that moron a mn a decade ago, its groupon is STILL GOING. and htey're claiming however many billions
mircea_popescu: but anyway, it's a refinement on paul graham's scam ( http://trilema.com/2015/investigations-in-the-bone-heap-of-the-lost-generation-today-mashable/#footnote_6_59020 )
asciilifeform: hey, 'spreading -- works!', subscribe to google ads and get the 'asked-for' number of 'clicks' (from bots, but who promised anyffing in particular)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1823658 << this item. 80 years worth of "highest paid man/woman/dog in hollywood" rolled into one
a111: Logged on 2018-06-12 03:03 Mocky: ahahaha shoemoney and his mfa check for $130k made out to 'nextpimp', man what a decade
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the matter is extensively documented on trilema at that. cost me a few grand, but hey, can't have free science.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> he never had it AND not vaccinated ?! << Vaccinated
BingoBoingo: Verdict is tonsilitis
asciilifeform: oh ha
asciilifeform: that was quick
BingoBoingo: Walked to the emergency room after calling and finding every clinic appointment slot booked until next week
BingoBoingo: After checking in at the desk maybe 45 minutes of waiting
asciilifeform: in usa just walking through that door would be a $1000+ ding
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you recall right off where the cannonical statement of "why pay 10mn dorks 50k each when could pick 3 to pay 10mn ea and let the rest hope" lottery tickets thread lives ?
BingoBoingo: Doctor took a look and wrote the antibiotic script
asciilifeform: !#s tournament market
a111: 28 results for "tournament market", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=tournament%20market
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^ in there somewhere
mircea_popescu: pretty sure io had a write-up re hollywood, but now can't turn it up.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1824129 , http://btcbase.org/log/2013-12-15#422041 , possibl in between
a111: Logged on 2018-06-12 20:38 mircea_popescu: ok. let's go back to the original tournament market, the hollywood studio.
a111: Logged on 2013-12-15 01:18 mircea_popescu: a tournament market, like typiocally the 1mn starlets waiting tables in hollywood is there to exploit labour.
mircea_popescu: very late restatement.
mircea_popescu: but... ima take it.
asciilifeform: 'tournaments' seem to work. in particular in that starving 'hopers' will jump livelier and higher than 50k 'it's my day jerb' folx.
mircea_popescu: they only work on low information voters ("coincidentally", the only sort of voter her most pantsuited hilarity ever wants).
mircea_popescu: ie, they're for young boys with little value.
asciilifeform: came up in the recent douchebag threads also. ( worx great, apparently, for keeping douchebag et al on the treadmill )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so you get what, sulpha ? antibiotics ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which i count as a great benefit.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Amoxicillin 750 mg cada 8 horas por 10 dias
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how's that ?
BingoBoingo: I was also asked if I wanted a note to take off from work, because apparently that is what 80% of the other ER walkins were there for
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform douchebag is pretty much the only thing i don't really want. "Once complete the children are sorted by score, and the bottom thirdi is sold by open outcry (the males are neutered first)." and all that.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo did you say yes ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but are these born ? or bonsaikittened into existence
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol! such sovok!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I said no, I don't need the note. If I go back I'll get one the next time
BingoBoingo forgot how awful amoxicillin tastes in suspension
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have little confidence in this "all humans born human" hopes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: near as i could tell, d00d had plenty of native intelligence. but grew up in the circus, and so knows nuffin but idjit acrobatics.
mircea_popescu: i do not belive, since we're doign disbeliefs, in this starry-eyed view of intelligence where it's a gift, like ambidexterity, or a property, like penis size, and "life can enhance or dishance it".
mircea_popescu: no such fucking thing, it's exactly like genetics -- genetically present traits may or may not phenotypically manifest. but if they do not -- THEY WERE NEVER THERE.
asciilifeform: dunno, e.g. pb poisoning, is a thing
mircea_popescu: yes, but intelligence is not a thing.
mircea_popescu: intelligence is, imo, very much like the concept of "luck", or dreamlike causation : the retrofitted imaginary "cause", constructed retrospectively.
mircea_popescu: really its only practical function is anxiety modulation in the waking state.
asciilifeform: it's a thing like agility, or strength ( rather than height, or cock girth, etc )
mircea_popescu: not at all.
mircea_popescu: it's a thing like "prescience" or "telepathy" : only exists through the process that sufferer's more likely to notice sustaining examples than disproving examples.
asciilifeform: some lions can be trained to play 'tetris', others, no matter how much stick and cookie, not, mircea_popescu of all people i expect would know this
mircea_popescu: but this is established after the training and not afore.
asciilifeform: lol how would one conceive of establishing it without the training
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between "cat is there whether you look or not" and "we'll put a cat in some boxes you look into, let us know which"
mircea_popescu: the latter "cat" doesn't exist, and intelligence is of the same ilk.
asciilifeform: same model as strength, agility. tho. where is strength before subj is asked to lift the weight.
mircea_popescu: same place.
mircea_popescu: we have mechanical model for strength, and i can make predictions BEFORE the fact, and built entirely on measurements unrelated to "please lift this weight"
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> in usa just walking through that door would be a $1000+ ding << For completeness, there was also the option to have a "radiodoctor" do a house call, but I figured the intel gathering opportunity on the hospital at a time when I'm a least several days removed for threat of mortality would be the higher return option
a111: Logged on 2018-09-11 00:26 mircea_popescu: "i have this inorganic polymerization model which permits me to predict the behaviour of calcium-based matrices and also predicts that should you replace the calcium with strontium, the oxigen content cvadruples ans there's need for an item extra in there that's just like aluminum for so and so reasons"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know you get a bunch of utri. should prolly not smoke.
BingoBoingo: I'm coming back around to that position
mircea_popescu: (utri == upper respiratory tract infection", to help the future summarizers)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i obv dun have a reductive model, and dun know of any honest people who ever claimed to. but this is somewhat diff thing than 'to even try model is waste of time, it's rngolade'
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-18#1863546 >> if this is true then "you're not smart enough be here" is as meaningful as "not telepathic enough"
a111: Logged on 2018-10-18 17:09 mircea_popescu: it's a thing like "prescience" or "telepathy" : only exists through the process that sufferer's more likely to notice sustaining examples than disproving examples.
BingoBoingo: Mocky: Smart includes education and experience. Intelligence is an RPG stat
Mocky: I can see that view, but by evaluating it only education and experience, runs into the same >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-18#1863542
a111: Logged on 2018-10-18 17:08 mircea_popescu: intelligence is, imo, very much like the concept of "luck", or dreamlike causation : the retrofitted imaginary "cause", constructed retrospectively.
Mocky: *only after*
asciilifeform: Mocky: yes it's an imaginary object. q is whether 'imaginary like devils' or 'imaginary like electron cloud'. i favour the latter, mircea_popescu , i think, the former
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im not making either of those two strong statements. but it does seem to me that the reason you don't have a model is that you're trying to model somethingt that doesn't exist (not that the UNDERLYING PHENOMENA don't exist). much like people "didn't have a model" of earth-centric cosmos.
mircea_popescu: not because "planets don't move" but because "not around earth".
mircea_popescu: Mocky i actually distinguish between smarts (the reductive ability, that powers "i suspect there's no such thing as intelligence", and typified perhaps best by d. kyon) and "intelligence" (the constructive ability, that powers "more loc, more tech, more future", and typified perhaps best by "fm-2030" ).
mircea_popescu: there ~certainly~ exists such a thing as "ability to see through bells and whistles", uniting with a strong red thread the 1800s definition of a man ( http://trilema.com/2013/a-very-unfair-perspective/#selection-31.205-31.374 ) and the 2000s definition of a man ( as say http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1826859 ).
a111: Logged on 2018-06-19 16:55 mircea_popescu: douchebag looky, the place's not for you. you're not smart enough to be here. what's so hard to grok about this ? some people are smart, some people aren't smart, you're not smart. what, you have to be dragged out, your legs don't work, what is it ?
mircea_popescu: and in fact the complaint wasn't "you're not telepathic enough to be here" in any sense, but quite specifically "after having been shown the bells and the whistles from different angles and being allowed some digestion time you ~still~ don't manage to recognize them, and therefore lack the fundamental ability required to participate in the affairs of humanity".
mircea_popescu: which i stand behind, ftr ; and it is also what informs the "if they had any sense -- they'd be here" stance. the fact that rando can't cut through fetlife to find the meat / can't cut through internet to find trilema / can't cut through femstate to find bitcoin / can't cut through pantsuitism to find republic etc specifically means that rando is dull, ie, not smart.
mircea_popescu: but this seems scarcely what's being discussed when one talks of "intelligence".
a111: Logged on 2015-07-08 19:34 ascii_field: far more interesting is the trait hasn eysenck called 'psychoticism'
mircea_popescu: 90% of the time i try to read something, the attempt fails ; and almost always it is because the author is insulting my smarts, not my intelligence. they're all such intelligent men, from sf writers to hayek to what have you. the problem is that they're not smart.
mircea_popescu: certainly not smart enough to be read.
Mocky: mircea_popescu, d. kyon is Diogenes?
asciilifeform: chinese examtaker , or the '2030' people mircea_popescu linked, resemble 'fast comp but without rng'
a111: Logged on 2018-10-12 17:34 asciilifeform: in related lulz, and iirc we had a thread ( tho can't seem to unearth it ), urandom is sufficiently sad that when asciilifeform was running genetic algos / monte carlo / etc. crapolade , yrs ago, from it... would regularly fail to converge
mircea_popescu: and yet -- very intelligent by any test.
asciilifeform: aside from the test where you actually gotta explore the solution space to converge on solution, lol
mircea_popescu: dumb as fucking rocks also, and i would like to introduce mission street in sf into the record as exhibit fucktards.
mircea_popescu: sorta like ny broadway or hollywood blvd.
mircea_popescu: the ground zero of some kind of intelligence.
asciilifeform: as i understand, it's a temple, they had'em in 3000 bc just the same, heathens pray to their peculiar gods
mircea_popescu: right ? but the priests were ~intelligent~.
asciilifeform: it isn't clear to me that priest gotta be esp. intelligent by any measure, any more than today's proverbial dmv clerk
mircea_popescu: but as a factual matter, are.
BingoBoingo: Or were
mircea_popescu: the issue with priesthood is that it offers perpetual masturbatory toys for the non-smart irrespective of their "intelligence" as irrespective of their height.
mircea_popescu: "does this dildo work on blondes as well as brunettes ?" "well... it works on redheads best, but it'll do the oooh-aaah job for anyone."
asciilifeform: in other minor noose, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-16#1863154 << uncrated it last night, and it's a success , a+++ sunlight display
a111: Logged on 2018-10-16 00:19 asciilifeform will try again with 'samsung n150' box, with sadder kbd, but same chipset, and reportedly fitting
asciilifeform: sadly the box it ended up going in, is nuffin to write home about ( slightly slower than the goldstandard x60, and smaller, and sad kbd ) but it worx as described
asciilifeform: unfortunately photo dun really do it justice, gotta be seen with eyes to be believed
asciilifeform: ( contrary to the 'broken telephone game' on the net, the thing ~does~ show colour under sunlight, if backlight is set to minimum. if to 0 : b&w and ultralowpower ( whole day battery, in theory ) )
asciilifeform: phf ^
asciilifeform: swapping the crystal in place of the lappy's orig, takes about 1hr
asciilifeform: total cost of proj is about 2benjie (~1 for sad lappy (used), ~1 for crystal (new/oldstock/china) )
asciilifeform: mass, ~1kg
asciilifeform: this will be a cuntoo box, when i get around to redisking it
asciilifeform: if anybody else wants one, get'em while they're still around.
asciilifeform: i dun expect those chinese crates are bottomless.
asciilifeform: the only tool req'd : 1) ordinary philips driver 2) spudger 3) pair of hands
asciilifeform prolly will pick up a spare or 2, so as not to end up with 'rms longsoon' irreplaceable artifact
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: How rebuildable is the battery pack on that thing?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: same as any other, theoretically if you have battery welder and cells, can rebuild
asciilifeform: problem is getting nonchinese cells, just as with others
asciilifeform will get to it eventually
mircea_popescu: "I packed the above code as a .vpatch on top of the previous genesis .vpatch mainly for keeping my original promise of showing this being built as it is with detours and corrections on the way. Otherwise this could equally well be a genesis in itself given how radically it changes pretty much everything in there. Nevertheless, at least for now - meaning until a final version is achieved and a regrind makes perhaps sense - I'l
mircea_popescu: l keep growing the smg_comms tree." << this, ftr, eminently ideal republican code development process.
mircea_popescu: nevermind teh purpose of "how it'll eventually look", the future can be trusted to take care of itself, ESPECIALLY if you can be trusted to take care of present.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reminds me, i prolly oughta genesis 'horsecocks' aka mmap-for-ada
mircea_popescu: can't see why not.
asciilifeform: i expect e.g. diana_coman will eventually need mmap
mircea_popescu: i was thinking, has major chances of being pulled as a patch into eulora-something.
asciilifeform: ( bonus, it has no .c component, builds strictly gnatistically , tho it imports several unixisms as funct calls )
mircea_popescu: kinda funny how we're "slowly" (ie, 10x faster) recreating everything bsd was pretending to be about, huh.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the mmap thing is major labour-saving item, lets you fughet about db etc, you define the data structure you want and it gets persisted to disk / loaded as-needed into ram, transparently to proggy
mircea_popescu: anyway -- in this particular case it makes sense to genesis item so downstream can actually invite you to patch on their tree
mircea_popescu: illustrating a very interesting sorta backflow
mircea_popescu: (better than "i'll wait to patch it in directly at the right time" because the "right time" mioght never come seeing how the people in question don't know what you're patching)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not only this, but if folx build on the right slab, they can get 9000x less complex proggy in the end
mircea_popescu: i think it's already evident this, in the serialization discussion
asciilifeform: aha. it's the basic labour of writing sane proggy -- tossing out the duct tape & replacing with sumthing that actually worx
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, while mircea_popescu is awake -- mircea_popescu do you still have a 'mpb' noad running on public net ? would like to try my exerciser on one
mircea_popescu: i dunno right off lol
asciilifeform: not urgent or anyffing
asciilifeform: already turned up a buncha oddities re noades -- for instance, just about errybody not-trb still sends out gavinalert (with 'key compromised!' message. wai -- i have nfi )
asciilifeform: if you set your hello-version to 99999, they stop, if <=70001 -- they spam it
asciilifeform: aaaand some alarmingly large % of the supposed-nodes, can't or won't come up with old blox on demand..
BingoBoingo: AHA, this and not "be counted by derps" iirc was the reasons the knob got cranked to 99999 and left there.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the funny bit is that 99999 turns off gavinalertism but turns on heathen cmd's
asciilifeform: so these still get malleus'd
asciilifeform: ( and really oughta be properly dropped, per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862873 bug they presently suck oxygen uselessly )
a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 15:44 asciilifeform: in unrelated noose, mod6 et al : loox like trb doesn't remove banned peers from its addr table ! i.e. offers their addrs up to others, as if they were proper noades!! i never noticed this previously, it had to wait to be found empirically. really oughta be fixed, and pretty simple patch.
asciilifeform: by my current estimate ( not fired the full scan yet, when proggy done it'll run continuously and present a phuctoresque www panel ) there are perhaps 100 actual noades on the net
asciilifeform: errybody else is theatre
mircea_popescu: well, on public net at any rate.
asciilifeform: rright, naturally not counting pocket noades
mircea_popescu: because of the exact problems you discuss i'd guess 1/4 or less of nodes are publicly adressable
asciilifeform: ( tho funnily those still show up in addr tables )
asciilifeform: lotsa 0.0.0.0:xxxx in'ere
mircea_popescu: but yes, it's painfully obvious the "p2p" nature of bitcoin went straight to nowhere, disabusing naive satoshi notions of "all the world's a huge wikitardia!!!" 1990s wank.
asciilifeform: ( re pockets, afaik erry half-serious user has at least 1 pocket noad behind his public one )
mircea_popescu: kinda informs the change of the tenor here, since his http://trilema.com/2015/the-news-in-brief-hearn-is-a-shitstain-mp-is-right-fuck-reddit-love-satoshi/ declaration a few years ago.
asciilifeform: it's 'p2p' like telco backbone, rather than like 'kazaa', yes
mircea_popescu: rather than like ~cunt~.
mircea_popescu: turns out, cunt more of a jewel of engineering than generally thought, yet ~another~ aspect of its normal functioning not reproducible by present technical means.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ever seen someone with a bag of cunts ?
asciilifeform: can't say i have
asciilifeform: maybe ilsa koch had one ?
mircea_popescu: that's the problem of bitcoin, right, the relay-mining cleavage. something that ~in spite of designatorial intention~ WAS done to bitcoin ; and NOT done to sexuate reproduction.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i mean fully functional ones.
asciilifeform: then definitely not
mircea_popescu: right ?
asciilifeform: never seen a bag of working arms or legs either
mircea_popescu: right, but cunts are p2p.
mircea_popescu: and i have seen a tyre depot, which for my purposes here counts as "bag of legs"
asciilifeform: but yes, 'allcomers p2p' allows 9000 types of abuses ( if you think about it, the fact that one is able to build a simple mechanism to map out the net, is not actually a win , for that matter ) , noose at 11
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu were to park his merc in johannesburg, orcs might steal the tyres, but not the cunt (can only borrow..)
asciilifeform: ( anybody recall the old film where there is 'fast motion' scene of airplane abandoned in some shithole, 'evaporating' part by part ? )
mircea_popescu: cunt works fine with allcomers p2p!
mircea_popescu: in fact, actually works better, if slightly.
mircea_popescu: (and deals with more tbs of data than any bitcoin node, but that's a story for later sadness.()
asciilifeform: 'the worx of man cannot match an ant' etc
mircea_popescu: actually... why not now. so, human genome, 3bn base pairs, about 100GB ; per ejaculation ~500bn copies of this chunk.
mircea_popescu: im sorry, ~500mn, half bn.
asciilifeform: bandwidth, contrary to intuition, isn't where 'worx of man' necessarily fall down to the ant, but rather http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687613
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 19:47 asciilifeform: ( this is called 'brittleness' by aficionados of 'meat-like machinery' )
mircea_popescu: dealing with a 500`000`000 copies (more or less exact) of the same 100GB file within half an hour... that's more than any node does ; and more than the collective of nodes did since the beginning of the ocin.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha.
asciilifeform: nobody's ever built anyffin with even close to the noise tolerance of meat.
mircea_popescu: "even the easy tasks are too hard for you "
asciilifeform: my quite humble pipe here moves 100G in half hr . that aint the hard part.
mircea_popescu: half bn copies of a 100G each!
mircea_popescu: DIFFERENT. SLIGHTLY>
mircea_popescu: nightmare situation.
asciilifeform: ordinary b&w photo lab can bake 100 copies of '100GB ea' in coupla sec
mircea_popescu: but not pick the ones with least gray pixels.
asciilifeform: iirc we had a photo-computation thread even
asciilifeform: pretty green field, at least publicly
mircea_popescu: anyway. it's funny to me that the blockchain's approximately in the size range of the genome.
mircea_popescu: seems there's a MINIMAL complexity "For anything interesting", and we're finally just now getting togethert the tools to work with it.
mircea_popescu: table stakes, finally we're getting there.
asciilifeform spent some yrs involved in 'here's 100GB of genome, nao answer an interesting q about it' racket, it was depressing, even with custom iron most of the practically useful q's are unanswerable, there's fundamental algo problems in the way
asciilifeform: the only ~working model of meat, remains... meat
asciilifeform: non-vonneumann machine potentially changes this, but $farm went broke before asciilifeform was able to fill 42U cabinet with fpga..
asciilifeform: current-day 'supercomp' biz is a sad cargo cult, ~errybody's building buckets fulla intelade rubbish.
asciilifeform: ( s. cray spins like turbine in his coffin )
asciilifeform: if anybody's doing sumthing actually constructive, it's a well-kept seekrit
asciilifeform: grr can't find thread, so at risk of repeat : there is a legend, where some nao long-dead sage ( ulam ? ) was in a room where the lesser mortals idly fucked around with q 'how to short bundle of sticks by length' fastest. d00d silently picked up the bundle of sticks and pounded them on table ends-down and then lowered palm onto the top, picking up longest with each move
asciilifeform: nobody in his right mind would try to empty swimming pool with eye dropper, but for some reason the computin' folx are still doing it.
asciilifeform: 'but it's a really fast eye dropper!' -- nope, not really so fast
asciilifeform: meanwhile, today in castles, http://logs.bvulpes.com/asciilifeform?d=2018-10-18#443422
asciilifeform: !Q later tell trinque i was learning from db dark arts, in yer http://btcbase.org/patches/logbot-genesis#L186 , and wondered re the orig logic behind the uuid-ossp / gen_random_uuid() item ( vs the ordinary 'serial' ), plox to enlighten asciilifeform
asciilifeform: urgh, bot dead again..
mircea_popescu: growing nicely!
lobbes: asciilifeform: bot back. sry bout that
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: since you asked earlier -- battery is a 'aa-pb2vc6b' , 48 watt-hour, 6 cylindrical cells, dead-likely the usual #18650 thing
asciilifeform: ( thing was made before all the shitlappy makers switched to custom/ungettable shaped prismatics )
asciilifeform: https://sc01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1fwgtPpXXXXaJXXXXq6xXFXXXS/laptop-battery-cell-25R-Samsung-inr18650-25r.jpg << example of subj
a111: Logged on 2018-10-07 19:04 BingoBoingo: !Qbid 367 76M
asciilifeform: at one time asciilifeform wondered why no lappy maker ever included simply a compartment with sprints, like electronic boxen in the good old days, where you could stuff in yer own when the old ones give out. then realized the obv answer why.
asciilifeform: *springs grr
hanbot: !!v 02C28B4F076BBCD927178214C8E57CAE29F0A33677379920E929BE807CDC4F55
asciilifeform: ( at one time i did have an ancient 'nokia' that had precisely this battery system, so there's no practical reason why impossible . it's purely lock-in crapola that prevents. )
BingoBoingo: !!v EFB5290B2A8B8C30CCBDF9558B4D63D4D30AD51B467C6F3319E1471E4F7A5FCF
deedbot: BingoBoingo paid hanbot invoice 1
BingoBoingo: Thank you hanbot
mircea_popescu: custom batteries "are cooler".
mircea_popescu: sold to the same crowd of malignant morons that buys "electric cars" and "credit cards everywhere" and "electronic locks" and so on.
asciilifeform: sold, since ~late'90s, to errybody, the smallest nontrivial piece of gear i have here that takes standard battery (not counting flashlights etc) is 100kg ups.
asciilifeform: wb amberglint
asciilifeform: so, what was it you found
amberglint: NS does work, but you need a simple workaround to get around the Xlib error: switch your X server to 8bpp
amberglint: after you do that, there's another gotcha - it needs a license from Symbolics to run, like Macsyma
asciilifeform: sooo didja disasm it and make a pill, or what
amberglint: thankfully someone shared the crack with me, which I pasted here: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/91Gll/?raw=true
amberglint: I also have the crack for Macsyma if you want
asciilifeform: post it, why not
asciilifeform: sadly i dun have anything to load in ns
amberglint: ok, give me a minute
asciilifeform: what i wanted re ns, is a) the 'ivory' src b) src for ns itself, to pillage the algos
asciilifeform: i suppose ns pill will come in handy if anybody ever unearths the ivory src
amberglint: I remember NS referencing the documentation, but it seems to be missing in the distribution everyone has
asciilifeform: ( for non-bolixologists in the audience : 'ns' was the spiffy vlsi tool they used to bake their ic's, logic was specified as a lisp proggy of sorts and compiled into an item that could be taken to vlsi plant )
a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 22:45 amberglint: btw, one of Ivory and NS designers, Neil Weste, wrote his own schoolbook: http://pages.hmc.edu/harris/cmosvlsi/4e/index.html
asciilifeform: ( & http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1738171 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-23#1631479 , possibly elsewhere )
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 20:10 asciilifeform: apeloyee: the other thing to consider, is that the preserved bolix material has ~unspeakably~ rich ( and quite high snr ) collection of artifacts, perhaps 1000 asciilifeform-years of work. take the ns vlsi compiler alone. i have the binaries, but not the src. and ~someone~ will have to make a sane (i.e. fully lispified and zero-externals) vlsitron.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 03:10 asciilifeform: 1) the NS source for the last 'ivory'.
amberglint: Peter Paine has a huge pile of Symbolics tapes which he jealously guards from other bolixologists, I wonder if it has the source of Ivory
asciilifeform: amberglint: it is interesting that somebody actually bothered to sit down and make a pill for ns. suggests that somebody, somewhere, has what to read in it..
asciilifeform: amberglint: the psychology of the 'jealous guards' people is still a riddle to me
asciilifeform: it's almost as if the gnomes from norse mythology are real
asciilifeform: 'i'ma sit on this gold' 'why' 'because i am gnome'
amberglint: whoever made that pill wasn't eager to make it public, I got it in a roundabout way
asciilifeform: it's funny , these people. e.g. coupla weeks after i posted my pill for http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1667 , that i had to make with own hands , a finn shows up, 'i have one too' 'why didntcha post' '...'
amberglint: yeah, it's the same deal, I guess some people are afraid of lawsuits from a dead company
a111: Logged on 2017-03-11 00:21 asciilifeform: for instance, i struggled to find the genera source, and then YEARS later i found out that 'the whisperers' have been quietly passing it around
asciilifeform: amberglint: i dun buy this excuse; for the pathological coward, there's 9000 ways to post a pill anon
asciilifeform: to avoid replaying old thread, will simply link my http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-11#1624999 astonishment
a111: Logged on 2017-03-11 00:23 asciilifeform: yer more afraid of old ~defunct corp with 60k (look it up, usaspending.gov) than of riaa, mpaa, cia ?
asciilifeform: there's scarcely a corpse in the graveyard deader than bolix -- the fucking ~trademark~ lapsed
asciilifeform: old man couldn't be bothered, apparently, to fork out 50bux for renew
asciilifeform: he even sold his .com domain to spammers.
amberglint: he's still selling MacIvory boxes
asciilifeform: i suspect he buys'em back from tired archaeologists, and resells ad infinitum
asciilifeform: notbad biznis model , when all you want to do is pay electric bill on cramped old house in virginistan
asciilifeform: amberglint: when i went to his house 10y ago, offered to him to make fpga-ized 'ivory' , 'pro bono', if he'd only cough up with what. answr was approx 'can't , unless my master permits, and he wouldn't'
asciilifeform: fucking gnomes.
amberglint: yeah, we talked about his master
asciilifeform: i have nfi what is the psychology , is it like the nazi gold, 'we'll build a 4th reich and will need it' or how.
amberglint: I can't remember, did you try to talk to Mallery directly?
amberglint: I wonder what answer he'd come up with
asciilifeform: amberglint: i wrote to him, incl. once from .mil and 100% paying bolix customer (yes), 0 answer
asciilifeform: from kalman reti also same, and 0 answ
amberglint: to his MIT address?
asciilifeform: and repeatedly.
asciilifeform: 'silent like partizan'
amberglint: I thought so
mircea_popescu: !!key amberglint
mircea_popescu: !!rate amberglint 1 macsyma crack
asciilifeform: oh yes
asciilifeform: !!rate amberglint 2 bolix pillage / ns pill
asciilifeform: !!v FFB0F8045885D02C11C560672DF41957A1E59E0D7AD2FD32071F8922416F3959
deedbot: asciilifeform updated rating of amberglint from 1 to 2 << bolix pillage / ns pill
asciilifeform: amberglint: think -- bolix bankrupt (for 2nd, and final time) ~20 yrs ago now. still no '4th reich'...
amberglint: what's '4th reich' even supposed to be?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 01:05 asciilifeform: i have nfi what is the psychology , is it like the nazi gold, 'we'll build a 4th reich and will need it' or how.
asciilifeform: i.e. whatever mallery is holding out for
amberglint: he'll just become the next Andrew Topping, or whoever was the previous owner
mircea_popescu: amberglint http://trilema.com/2013/youre-gonna-have-to-learn-that-variety-speak/ for the theory ; http://trilema.com/republican-thesaurus/ a primer for the practice. in short, republic's created a bunch of symbolic shorthands for things.
asciilifeform: btw, https://www.usaspending.gov/#/recipient/c433a88e-1dfd-759b-376c-7a0d6667921b-P << spoiler : $ 0 since '15
mircea_popescu: 4th reich specifically being the next/current socialist state
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you know the fellow ? beyond "russian!" ?
amberglint: mircea_popescu: thank you, I'll read (or re-read) that
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope, tho possibly phf might , he appeared during prev bolix/ivory thread
amberglint: I don't think phf knows me
asciilifeform: phf: out of curiosity, how didja find
asciilifeform: err, amberglint
asciilifeform: amberglint: how didja find
amberglint: the crack? I talked to some people in #bolix and eventually got it
asciilifeform: no, i meant, how found us
amberglint: I found your blog, and in there I found the references to this place
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik amberglint is the 1st digger to actually share , normally bolix folx avoid asciilifeform like the plague, as detailed in old thrds, for whatever psychopathological reasons
asciilifeform: amberglint: aah ok
mircea_popescu: maybe you used to be too young.
mircea_popescu: !#born amberglint
a111: 2018-01-17 <amberglint> !!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/tpxEH/?raw=true >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1772162
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863774 << could have easily organised a "break-in", stuff coulda been out of there before anyone even "discovered" and reported it.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 01:04 asciilifeform: amberglint: when i went to his house 10y ago, offered to him to make fpga-ized 'ivory' , 'pro bono', if he'd only cough up with what. answr was approx 'can't , unless my master permits, and he wouldn't'
mircea_popescu: but -- gotta want, before can can. much like talking to girls -- yes, could. but gotta want to before can can.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: d00d did spill that he dun keep 'crown jewels' in his house.
mircea_popescu: also, english is a piece of shit. wtf "can can", get better modals!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fortunately errybody present speaks human langs, and knows that mircea_popescu was trying to say 'can can'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform could've, for the same money. "for cleanning".
mircea_popescu: it's not just "credit cards" or "websites" or w/e else specific pwned-daily aspect of the female state that's fulla holes moreso than aerogel.
mircea_popescu: EVERYTHING they do is.
mircea_popescu: nobody's ever getting fired for giving away the expensive company car to a guy dressed in a red coat. "i thought he was the parking vallet".
mircea_popescu: "i plugged this stick i found in the parking lot into your computer" / "i gave some guy an all-doors pass cuz he was wearing gray overalls with some name i don't remember on the back" etcetera.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: by my reckoning, the actually valuable and not-yet-leaked stuff, is in 'indiana jones' warehouse, behind http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-10#1158785 , rather than on swiss cheese php www etc
a111: Logged on 2015-06-10 03:40 asciilifeform: 'watchman may not know what is behind the door he is guarding; if he knew - would steal it himself' (tm) (r) (sov army)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now if only such a thing existed irl.
mircea_popescu: but i suspect if aliens came looking for one it'd be in your house.
asciilifeform: by all indications seems to, bolix lives there.
asciilifeform: ( tho i cannot rule out hypothesis that it lives in same place as apollo rocket, i.e. /dev/null, was lost )
asciilifeform: /dev/null is pretty cheap and effective device for keeping seekritz.
asciilifeform: nao, on other hand, the ~orig~ bolix, leaked like sieve, yes, regularly we hear about some old fart sitting on buncha tapes he picked up from dumpster, but always same element in story, he sits like tolkien's gorlum, 'my precious!', on the goods
asciilifeform: maybe in 100 tapes , 1 or 2 still readable. whoknows.
amberglint: I was about to ask phf about his Ivory-related efforts, but checked the logs again just now and found that asciilifeform already did it two days ago, which I overlooked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862616
a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 02:44 phf: asciilifeform: i actually forgot! i'm swamped right now, but can you remind me again in about two weeks, i have a thing for you from the dig that will help with the little piece of silicon you have
asciilifeform: ( in asciilifeform's practice, tape keeps for ~maybe~ 10y, and that's in hermetic container... )
amberglint: err, four days
mircea_popescu: afaik this is a botomless pit, trying to pay people to eg imagine ivories/bolixen etc is less roi than buying girls new stockings.
mircea_popescu: logs are littered with the attempts.
asciilifeform: amberglint: iirc he found pinouts. not crown jewels, tho could be of use in ~very slowly~ getting sumthing useful from the 2 'ivory' crystals i traded a 3620 for
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik nobody's even picked up enuff frags with which to make even half of a serious attempt, at that
asciilifeform: right nao there's a d00d with 2 crystals; and another d00d with maybe-pinouts; and a gorlum somewhere with maybe-tapes; etc
asciilifeform: and a buncha http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693150 tards with working (while caps last..) boxes but 0 brain
a111: Logged on 2017-08-03 03:38 asciilifeform: https://symbolics.lisp.engineer/goals << in other lulz.
asciilifeform: and of course there is a mircea_popescu to laugh, cuz it's pretty laughable state of affairs
mircea_popescu: and some ru outfit that was going to acid-peel and image chips, and a museum dork thart was going to rent me time on one of his boxes but then didn't nor felt any need to explain why he's stupid, and some other dork gonna build himself a vent, and so on and so forth.
asciilifeform: vent d00d linked aha
amberglint: the people who have the biggest stash of Ivory hardware are busy writing their own emulator of the older 3600 machines right now, the last time I checked
asciilifeform: fwiw i did ( could unearth thread , but who wants, can find ) get quote from chinese, they will happily photograph crystal for ~toyota's worth
asciilifeform: amberglint: i.e. they're carefully avoiding risk of doing anything useful
mircea_popescu: amberglint i have my doubts they're doing any such thing.
mircea_popescu: people with the biggest beer mugs are similarly busy discussing things about the game on tv.
amberglint: well, one of them wrote a PERQ emulator
asciilifeform: zeptobars seems pretty dead; their site is up, but pretty sure that all of the pics therein, were there last yr
amberglint: yeah, it's the same one
asciilifeform: PERQSystem.cs << lol!!!
asciilifeform: 'PERQemu is written in C# under the .NET Framework 2.0. The source code is now available on GitHub...' << blergh
asciilifeform: beats the shit out of what i'm sitting in front of, in 9000 ways
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is theoretically possible to write 3600 emulator without much brain work, the instr set is (mostly) described in their 600 (!) page patent. but there's very little to be gained from doing so, the 3600 arch is before they cleaned all of the mit shit-hackolade out of the thing, it has million idjit warts inherited from when the thing was a refrigerator-sized dumpster of 74xxx discretes
asciilifeform: ( weighed, roughly, what toyota weighs )
mircea_popescu: no, i know.
mircea_popescu: part of why i'm so "eh, tell it to the hand" about the whole "they're working" angle. no, they aren't.
asciilifeform: maybe in another 10yr they cough up 3600 emulator. in c#. that maybe runs for 5+min without crash.
asciilifeform: but i'ma be surprised.
mircea_popescu: hopefully it's deployed as a ruby gem via kubinetes.
mircea_popescu: old famous tech deserves nothing less
mircea_popescu: provided of course "pid eins" is somehow involved also.
asciilifeform: naa lol, it'll be 'starteam', they're microshit shop, see.
BingoBoingo: Well it can probably run indefinitely displaying the output of hello.world
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am contacting you from the future, a time when "microsoft" "bought" whatever.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hey, coke will merge with pepsi, lion with lamb, such it was written in sybiline prophecy or wherever.
mircea_popescu: teste david & sybilla.
asciilifeform: but yes, i'm not esp surprised that the derps 'working' on 3600. given as 1) 'ivory' needs ~20-50 k $ in either chinese microscopist, or nixon's burglars , take yer pick 2) 3600 is massive forest of idjit hackolade, which these people seem to ~like~, the way scarab luvvs shit
asciilifeform: beetle rolls, rolls his shit.
mircea_popescu: 50k is so not the problem here.
asciilifeform: ~a~ problem
asciilifeform: ground floor.
mircea_popescu: not much of one -- a bunch of rando camhos got ~same to write on their tits.
mircea_popescu: but unlike the drone bois -- the girls DO SOMETHING.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/10/eu-and-obsolete-wwii-era-pantsuit-ngo-call-for-crackdown-on-programs-easing-voluntary-migration-of-high-value-immigrants/ << Qntra - EU And Obsolete WWII Era Pantsuit NGO Call For Crackdown On Programs Easing Voluntary Migration Of High Value Immigrants
mircea_popescu: ahahaha. let me guess, "divisive, inequalitarian and unfare" ?
asciilifeform: ohnoez! folx gettin' passports without having ever fucked a goat in the name of prophet!
asciilifeform: but yes usg is squeezing necks, too many zeks escaping, even with the current ~$1m price tag
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: AHA, unfair that terrorists can "invest" for passport, unfair competition for Merkel's North African flotilla
asciilifeform: man with 2+ passports is already escapee, republikflucht, ohnoez
mircea_popescu: the very verbiafge, you know ? "crackdown" ? as fucking if what, the pantsuit isn't a party favour, passed around for anal freely ?
mircea_popescu: "crackdown" comes from the same mental universe as "pantsuit has always last word -- and it is yes sir".
asciilifeform: funnily enuff , last time asciilifeform went to dig, turned up people who claim to conjure up 'ro ancestor' for $toyota, and bake legit passport; but i'ma believe it when i see it and as far as can throw it ( plus they only work on ukrs, which is imho a dead giveaway of spamola )
asciilifeform: lemon market.
asciilifeform: ( think, if jailbreak were 'pay $toyota', usa would empty overnight )
mircea_popescu: not at all.
mircea_popescu: it's less than that, but morons.
asciilifeform: i guess 'less than that' if yer a gurl and mircea_popescu likes yer bust, or how else.
asciilifeform: if you're an old tortoise, it's $mil.
mircea_popescu: mocky is doing ok on toyota so far.
asciilifeform: ( the q of where tortoise to go, so as not straight to soup, is ~separate~ q )
asciilifeform: mocky not properly speaking escaped, yet, only begun to dig tunnel.
mircea_popescu: not ran out of funds yet either.
asciilifeform: i'd hope that not, he's what, 2wks in
BingoBoingo: I have to say from Mocky's pics of Qatar so far I am impressed by the manner in which they manage to hide the electric wires. Down here they just... can't
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: easier to bury wires when yer entire grid is the size of ~akron, ohio
asciilifeform: straight from plant to street, maybe 10km
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: from map, qatar is an akron inside a new jersey's worth of f. herbert's planet arrakis
BingoBoingo: I'm not sure I trust the Uruguayos to completely hide the wires considering how many lines have left scorch marks along their runs
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ~all of washingtonistan, outside the walls of the city proper, is like that
asciilifeform: they fall down regularly, etc
asciilifeform: and when they fall, they take yer net pipe with'em . it's almost a wonder , imho, that they haven't yet hung up the water and gas lines on poles also..
asciilifeform: ( they ~could~ ! recall, they use flexible hose nao, to pinch pennies )
BingoBoingo: Oh no, I am talking about the runs where the wires are centimeters from exterior wall of occupied structure. They don't fall until they've completely finished cooking
asciilifeform: eh they're against exterior wall of ~erry house here. but fortunately for the washingtonistani, cardboard aint conductive..
BingoBoingo: I mean the whole run of the bundle is centimeters from the face of every building for the entire block's run
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in ro i saw gas pipe running along ~exterior~ walls, errywhere, forming little archways to cross alleys, for km after km
asciilifeform: and wondered why this is not in usa yet
asciilifeform: it seems fitting, for it to be in usa.
BingoBoingo: I don't recall if you saw any active sparkers during your trip here.
asciilifeform: perhaps this way they'd actually plug leaks
asciilifeform: there's 3-4 leaks just within 5km of where i'm sitting, and plenty of folx reported to wash. gas, and guess, fixed ? (spoiler : no)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: no sparkers
asciilifeform: iirc it is worse in 'flyoveristan', there they have regularly gas boom, takes out 1-2 blocks
asciilifeform: even in nyc nowadays not unheard-of
a111: Logged on 2018-10-18 16:52 BingoBoingo: Verdict is tonsilitis
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 02:21 asciilifeform: ( they ~could~ ! recall, they use flexible hose nao, to pinch pennies )
mircea_popescu: TUBES, is what the internets need!
asciilifeform: they leak, like garden hose.
asciilifeform: ( 'but cheap! can buy km spool!' yes )
BingoBoingo: mod6: ty
asciilifeform: no moar welders, pipe fitters, ~same crew lays the hose as lays fiber
asciilifeform: iirc the corrugated-steel hose thing was once thought to be a++ pill for earthquakes & ordinary vibration from traffic, but in actual practice the thing fatigues & holes.
asciilifeform: esp. when made-in-china.
mircea_popescu: "this is how we're going to try and talk around the fact our favourite catamite fucked up yet another province" ?
mircea_popescu: the glories of bahamas blue state, what.