mircea_popescu: in other ideas : anyone wanna get a toll free us number & redirect it to here ? seems the better way to work that whole "or call xxx" angle.
jurov: Hello, I am not sitting on bag of fiat to seek auctioning it off, but when anyone in my wot comes like "halp!!!" i will help them sell coins if possible.
jurov: Next time if representative of public company does ask me this privately I'll go to forum. Lesson learned.
jurov: My offer was in this case 6170 USD/BTC, with fiat wire sent within a week.
asciilifeform: jurov: thx
asciilifeform: jurov: we'll be using auctiontron nao, so won't need to ask folx for halp!! ideally.
ave1: In more http://trilema.com/2017/time-to-get-out-by-the-way/, we get https://www.particlesforjustice.org/.
diana_coman: aaand if I get it right, GNAT.CRC32 uses Ada.Streams.Stream_Element and it expects a String as input so overall it really sounds like back to GNAT.Sockets style, ugh
diana_coman: as one might tell, I'm looking into using CRC in smg.comms as per latest spec
ave1: diana_coman, gnat has system.CRC32, it consumes characters
diana_coman: ave1, ah, the gnat.crc32 is just the stream on top of system.crc32?
diana_coman: right you are, yay!
diana_coman: thank you ave1
ave1: it looks like it yes
asciilifeform: diana_coman: https://www2.adacore.com/gap-static/GNAT_Book/html/rts/s-crc32__adb.htm << pretty simple, you can even lift and civilize
diana_coman: asciilifeform, yes, that's where I went after ave1 pointed out that the gnat.crc32 is just a stream-wrapper
diana_coman: I'm actually thinking whether to add a simple crc32(array of octets) -> unsigned_32 to EuCrypt; presumably it will be of larger utility anyway;
diana_coman: so yes, lifting it
asciilifeform: right, was what i pictured
asciilifeform: diana_coman: there really aren't so many things that legitimately call for 'streams', i have nfi what the standard authors were thinking...
asciilifeform: ( imho the only situation where stream abstraction makes sense is when you have serial i/o of variably-sized crapola. to date i've used'em in only 1 piece, the classical-btc block/tx reader/writer , 'nqb' )
asciilifeform: btw there's a 'fixed buffer <--> stream' item in there that prolly oughta get genesised, i expect it'll come in handy.
BingoBoingo: In other local news: drug gang slowly took over public housing complex, used it to "warehouse" trivial quantity of drugs https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/desarticulan-clan-narco-que-tomo-complejo-de-casas-2018104203434
BingoBoingo: Since this is a "public" building it remains to be seen if the bulldozers come out like they did for the ancient squat on the other side of the impoverished north
mircea_popescu: jurov i suspected something like that happened.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman nah, listen, just implement a crc32. it's very simple indeed, i quited the polynomial used, just divide by it and keep the change.
mircea_popescu: we ~needed~ a republican crc32 anyway, it's useful and important, chapter head exactly like "we need a hash" or "we need a ffa", and i was aware extant code is not fit for pitching.
mircea_popescu: a nm, already in log. doh.
asciilifeform: btw one doesn't ~have~ to use table. (it's maybe 10-20x faster than not, depending on cpu, is why folx do. but when i crc on microcontrollers i dun use table, it eats coupla kB)
mircea_popescu: imo we should have lookup version first and foremost. but if diana_coman has the time/inclination, implemnenting both isn't the end of world anyway.
asciilifeform: meanwhile in vintagetrilema lotto , http://trilema.com/2015/basic-bitcoin-competency-certification/
asciilifeform: ^ would be interesting to read a new edition of this, if mircea_popescu ever feels inclined to bake one
mircea_popescu: for srs.
mircea_popescu: though honestly -- this might very well be a foundation item neh ?
mircea_popescu: certainly something the foundation could've been advertising itself as doing, lo these many years.
mircea_popescu: if manned, i mean.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-05#1858552 << 0.2kg of 'white gold' doesn't seem 'trivial'... then again i am not subj expert
a111: Logged on 2018-10-05 16:43 BingoBoingo: In other local news: drug gang slowly took over public housing complex, used it to "warehouse" trivial quantity of drugs https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/desarticulan-clan-narco-que-tomo-complejo-de-casas-2018104203434
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he has a point, in that it's subpackaged.
asciilifeform: ah hm.
mircea_popescu: you can;t get it packaged in less than lb, and usually kg, on intl market.
mircea_popescu: so in it being subunitary, it's properly called trivial.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: "white gold" is rare here. Usually cocaine in Uruguay refers to "pasta base" outside of Punta Del Este
asciilifeform: so leaf node, then.
asciilifeform: how big is a 'standard' snort's worth, anyway? 1g ?
asciilifeform: ( and 1g pre- or post- dilution ? )
mircea_popescu: i'd gues 0.3
mircea_popescu: anyway, the 0.2 was prolly first cut already. http://trilema.com/2013/what-the-drug-trade-is-how-the-drug-trade-works-and-why-silk-road-didnt-work-and-didnt-matter/#selection-87.78-87.104 <
asciilifeform: makes sense
mircea_popescu: so it prolly doesn't even count as "a fifth of a pack", more like "a twelfth"
asciilifeform: iirc 'leaf nodes' are traditionally 'disposable' and never store substantial qty of anyffing
asciilifeform: incidentally, i wonder why coke aficionados dun grow the plant themselves, the way potheads do
asciilifeform: surely it would just as readily grow in glass house under lamp
BingoBoingo: Plant's pickier. They call cannabis weed for a reason, just won't die
mircea_popescu: too long cycle for their attention span.
BingoBoingo: And somehow afficianados manage to still kill the plants
mircea_popescu: also very much what BingoBoingo says. coke's harder than wheat, weed's easier than thistle.
BingoBoingo: Happily grows and lives full life anywhere from roadside ditches to red solo cups in basements
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i was under impression that the 'cultured', oil-rich variant were tricker
asciilifeform: ( and that the ditch-growing variant dun do much when taken )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: From my understanding and interviews the more desirable cultivars are just as happy to live and grow. All the wank around them simply appears to be optimization problems.
BingoBoingo: Or basement insanity projects
BingoBoingo: Where they end up slow cooking plants like deli rotisserie chicken and scream "Too Hard"
a111: Logged on 2018-10-05 15:40 ave1: In more http://trilema.com/2017/time-to-get-out-by-the-way/, we get https://www.particlesforjustice.org/.
mircea_popescu: nobody's cancelled that, by the way. get out, you're wasting your life.
asciilifeform: and hah, rumour is that somebody baked glyphosate-resistant coca
mircea_popescu: yup. happened years ago.
mircea_popescu: bout three or four years after they started giving monsanto columbia's tax money for no reason.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Aficianados also specifically want unfertilized flowers, so creating male free environments is another optimization wank drawing substantial faffs
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'for smart arse, threaded cock will be found' eh.
mircea_popescu: but yes, he's also correct. most of the "difficulty" is forum-wank, whereby the kids that can ride a bike tell the kids underage watching in amazement what incredible skill it takes to ride a bike.
mircea_popescu: very male-adolescent schelling point, rarely missed.
asciilifeform: !#s ricing
asciilifeform: ^ see also.
mircea_popescu: (i suspect the whole reason us culture is so gender-awkward, btw, is that sometime (in the 1880s ?) older kids told younger kids "how hard it is" and it stuck as part of the culture in that culture-less place.)
BingoBoingo: To be fair the latest western US forum wank on the subject is butane extraction of active ingredients from the lowers, while... ethanol extraction of the same active ingredients is rumoured to work. That wank is still prolly a good 2 to 5 years out from Uruguay though
mircea_popescu: dude of course tincture works. it has worked for ~500 years.
BingoBoingo: And yet... the folks keep rediscovering without reading
mircea_popescu: pretty much what got alchemy even started, iranians getting perfume extracted in dilute ethanol. TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED YEARS AGO
mircea_popescu: strange notions of "essence" and "ousia" and what have you -- they're all euro reverberations of "middle earth got this perfume thing going!?!?!?!"
BingoBoingo prolly ought to try compiling general tourist information/anthropology overview on the subject
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-05#1858549 << trying to universalize incorrectly. i think the greater part of design problems come from people picking the wrong "universal" to hitch on to.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-05 16:40 asciilifeform: diana_coman: there really aren't so many things that legitimately call for 'streams', i have nfi what the standard authors were thinking...
a111: Logged on 2018-10-05 08:48 mircea_popescu: in other ideas : anyone wanna get a toll free us number & redirect it to here ? seems the better way to work that whole "or call xxx" angle.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc ethanol extracts various impurities along with the desired oil; hence various liquid-gas exotica
mircea_popescu: yes well.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the point is the cannabis forum wankers essentially invented their own Monsanto in the same way Linus and the men alone invented their own Microshit
mircea_popescu: that strikes me as eerily accurate.
BingoBoingo: It's what would be alt-Republics seem to do
a111: Logged on 2018-10-05 17:36 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-05#1858549 << trying to universalize incorrectly. i think the greater part of design problems come from people picking the wrong "universal" to hitch on to.
asciilifeform: !#s notation worth iq
a111: 5 results for "notation worth iq", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=notation%20worth%20iq
asciilifeform: moreover, i suspect that the fixation on, and abuse of, 'streams', really flows from the orig unix retardation where 'errything is a file' and otherwise ~0 useful abstractions available at all
mircea_popescu: quite possibly.
BingoBoingo: On the plus side if you want to do non-narcotic houseplants or balcony vegetables in Uruguay, the quality of potting soil here is extraordinary compared to the shit in old country
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re tollfree thing : i found several vendors who will forward voice to a voip thing 'anywhere on globe'. can get quotes if you like, tonight/earlytomorrow. do you have whom to pick it up ?
mircea_popescu: here too.
mircea_popescu: they import german stuff i've never seen outside of germany.
asciilifeform: ah hm i thought mircea_popescu specifically wanted a usa #
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ima use your flame, nikki.
asciilifeform: but if can be bought from mircea_popescustan...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was talking re potting soil.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: 800 phone -- the only headache i foresee is that it needs good 100%-uptimed net pipe
mircea_popescu: anyway, by all means, get an us toll free number, ima provide endpoint here later todayh.
mircea_popescu: why net ?
asciilifeform: is how they avoid being raped by orc telco charge
mircea_popescu: ie i gotta get some sort of voip going ?
asciilifeform: looks like needed for it to work economically.
mircea_popescu: alrighty well let's get details on this.
asciilifeform: i'ma dig up the reqd detail tonight.
asciilifeform: ( seems to me to be a) doable b) quickly c) good , potentially , bang for the bux -- which is rare combo )
mircea_popescu: me too, but generally the assrape is in the details.
mircea_popescu: wires also used to be abc.
mircea_popescu: and i guess particle physics.
asciilifeform: btw i seem to recall that we had one of these, briefly
asciilifeform: moiety's thing
mircea_popescu: chick went stupid suddenly.
mircea_popescu: "oh, gotta get a real job". i'm sure she's rotting in some half-employment as we speak.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> they import german stuff i've never seen outside of germany. << The one I've been using is a local product. Thoroughly composted and fluffy with ample perlite. Has a mariuana leaf on the bag even.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc moiety was an outpatient tho. perhaps will have better luck with current trainee.
mircea_popescu: but how hard is to break the mother mula conditioning, and always put hands on your tits under the shirt, rather than always try to remove same.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what fucking perhaps.
asciilifeform: i have nfi. can only hope she is better at answering pnoje than digesting log
mircea_popescu: omfg... dig yourself in deeper!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, mircea_popescu : re the pot extractors -- i wonder if an effect similar to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-03#1857757 is in play
a111: Logged on 2018-10-03 19:52 asciilifeform: ( pharmacologically also interesting : old-school opium 'smokers' ( wasn't actually smoked, it was sublimated in a device resembling today's 'crack pipe', and pretty 'high tech' procedure, look at photo of the kit some time ) -- the moar active components of the vegetable -- morphine & relateds -- didn't make it out of the pipe bowl, broke down, so theoretically the chinese were actually doing a somewhat different dope than today's j
asciilifeform: i.e. different processes give diff combos of the orig vegetable's poisons, and result in diff effect
mircea_popescu: entirely possiobly. i never cared enough about pot to break out the thin layer cromatographs and shit.
asciilifeform: me neither, but apparently there's ~2dozen diff items in'ere.
mircea_popescu: well yes. it's a fucking plant. that's what they do.
mircea_popescu: there's 2 dozen in eggplant, also, and in everything else.
asciilifeform: aha. there's a reason herbivores have mega-liver
asciilifeform: btw according to 1 source, the opium people were actually 'class-stratified' in that poorfucks smoked 'recycled' crud, containing moar morphine , and got stupider ( vs the elite, who took in 'prime' material, never heated previously )
mircea_popescu: i dunno about the stupider angle. principal function of indian opium in chinese society was civilised (by their lights) old man gc.
mircea_popescu: and, for the record, this MAY be the oldest trade.
asciilifeform: prolly not quite oldest, the sublimator pipe was a 17th c invention, and preceded by tobacco
mircea_popescu: yes, but the indian balls of black spice travelled before 3k bc.
asciilifeform: possibly. dunno how they were used tho.
mircea_popescu: nor does anyone. they azns are terrible at ancient record keeping.
asciilifeform: egyptians, iirc, we know to have eaten it.
asciilifeform: i suspect there's something to the 'fractional distillation' hypothesis -- there's ample record of chinese emperors, officials, & their concubines, doing opium 'to amplify fuck', which as i understand is not compatible with morphinism as it is known to modern industrial dopeheads
asciilifeform: ... whereas the 'dens' that europeans ended up seeing, were fulla folx who had problem standing up, much less fuck...
mircea_popescu: i don't know they were doing opium.
mircea_popescu: chinese is fucking terrible at specificity of terms, between "she cow pig had kittens" and "alf put opium in his food" because opium is a spice and so is cardamom...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc the records use term 'black fragrance'. which at least later came to refer to subj.
asciilifeform: but without time machine, hard to say if were opium , or combo, or something entirely else.
mircea_popescu: yes, but i very much do not trust chinese. as a language i mean, and as a cultural process.
asciilifeform: me neither.
asciilifeform: ~very~ difficult to work with as a coherent record of anyffing. sorta an anti-l0gz.
asciilifeform: and, maddeningly, they seem to be aware of it, and prize it.
mircea_popescu: the problem discussed in http://trilema.com/2018/democracy-sucks-the-two-thousand-four-hundred-and-change-years-old-version/#selection-297.0-297.795 the chinese have managed to bake ~into the language~.
asciilifeform: they achieved it from opposite end tho
asciilifeform: as i understand their language consists more or less wholesale of... l0g refs
mircea_popescu: the euros attempted a ~similar thing with http://trilema.com/2018/the-problem-with-christians/#selection-61.0-65.669 but the chinese had longer to do it.
asciilifeform: ( from ancient elite l0gz )
BingoBoingo: Gotta make sure you are an honored ancestor for passing down which black spice makes the rice taste better and which black spice kills the old folks as they drip spacekitten pig balls
mircea_popescu: consequently, i don't trust a single word they write down to mean anything in particular, exactly like "how do you know democrat is lying -- his lips are moving" and "why do you have no faith in the xtian church"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this may be ; but as far as i can see, chinese is 100% "insurance-against-future" by mass. specifically : if py yi shi ki comes to mean the bad, then it never meant that in the first place. but until it does -- it means!
mircea_popescu: hence all that undersexed boyish scrotum scent i was detecting, in eg "dao".
asciilifeform: the ethertard 'dao' or the earlier cn one ?
asciilifeform: ( or both ? )
mircea_popescu: the cn one specifically. was discussion with phf, im trying to fish it out
mircea_popescu: whereby i protested specifically the idiotically adolescent onemanship, "oh, bla bla bla".
mircea_popescu: upmanship* i mean.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-14 18:43 phf: people who can't clearly visualize a cause and effect graph trying to do science. dogen is laughing at them all the way from 13th century
mircea_popescu: na na
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-08#1499583 <-> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754340 apparently this is a thread that got meanwhile lost. but discussion was evidently pre mid 2016
a111: Logged on 2016-07-08 14:37 mircea_popescu: fucking "take moar oestrogen" confucius & "wanna hear our inept teenage boyish oneupmanships" zeo-dan derps.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 17:24 mircea_popescu: cheap "cleverness" of the male virginarium aka monastery ; in same vein see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-08#1499583
a111: Logged on 2012-08-13 03:08 mircea_popescu: mtgox from what i understand is losing money, but even so they prolly have more in cash.
mircea_popescu: (this was true, at the time, btw.)
BingoBoingo: Anyways, Chinese language explains Avalon's Cartman moment when they began shipping ASICs among many other things
mircea_popescu: "Sadly one can't mend a tear in the space-time continuum with needle and thread, and similarily one can't repair the fundamental immorality of christianity by superficial moralizing."
mircea_popescu: dude ... i really like my articles. that one is EXACTLY why christianity is despicable.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo surely.
BingoBoingo: The Chinese pool operators agreeing to every different course of action during the Gavinassassinen fork wars, etc
BingoBoingo: It boils down to speaking Chinese with English words
mircea_popescu: recall when they "all agreed" then all didn't do, and every anglotard was surprised at this outcome, and every sinoderp was surprised at the surprise ?
BingoBoingo: I do in deed.
BingoBoingo: And remember how as the anglotards were growing up, all their schools "focused" on teaching cross cultural literacy
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-05#1858549 -> precisely why I kept scratching my head at encountering it as a sort of "preferred"/standard stuff in GNAT; honestly I think it was a ...fashion, everything all of a sudden had to be a stream at some point
a111: Logged on 2018-10-05 16:40 asciilifeform: diana_coman: there really aren't so many things that legitimately call for 'streams', i have nfi what the standard authors were thinking...
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-05#1858557 -> heh; kind of why I tend to do the replies all at the end rather than as I read them though it's less convenient
a111: Logged on 2018-10-05 17:04 mircea_popescu: a nm, already in log. doh.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's the 'unix philosophy' sad.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: bell labs invented exactly 1 os pheature, and it became 'the hammer for all screws'
diana_coman: can be
asciilifeform: they took it to even moar ridiculous heights in 'plan9'
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform is not aficionado of 'plan9', but will note that it achieved 1 thing -- was, at its mid-2000s peak, 10x smaller LOC-wise than linux )
diana_coman: I must say that I am ...blissfully unaware of it
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's quite obscure, never took off industrially
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/10/retired-fbi-agent-intimidated-witness-in-attempt-to-manipulate-political-process/ << Qntra - Retired FBI Agent Intimidated Witness In Attempt To Manipulate Political Process
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: s/nuetral/neutral
BingoBoingo: ty, fxd
mod6: trinque: Looks like the date that your auction closes I'll be busy and not able to settle with you myself.
mod6: BingoBoingo: Please just enter a bid from yourself on behalf of Pizarro for 1 satoshi more than I bid.
mod6: And I think you can just handle the thing then. Thanks.
trinque: I'm not gonna be pissed if you can't handle it same day. Thanks for letting me know.
BingoBoingo: !QBid 366 310080001
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 366: 2000 usd WU Heard: 310.08mn from BingoBoingo overbidding mod6 Ending: 2018-10-19 02:32:35 UTC (318 hours 57 mins)
BingoBoingo: mod6: done
mod6: Perfect, thanks Sir.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
Mocky: a lot of sites are blocked in qatar and i don't know if I'll need it but I'd like to run a web proxy on my pizarro shared hosting just in case. can someone make a recommendation? do I need something like tinyproxy or squid, or is there a way to do it without installing anything?
asciilifeform: Mocky: ssh tunnel
Mocky: asciilifeform, ok thx
asciilifeform: Mocky: 'web proxy' is ssltronic garbage in all cases. what you want is general-purpose proxy, and atm that's ssh tunnel.
asciilifeform: e.g.: ssh -f -L LOCALHOSTPORT:THIRDPARTYBOX:THIRDPARTYPORT YOURREMOTEBOX -N
asciilifeform: ^ and after that you can e.g. http or irc to locahost:LOCALHOSTPORT and get to THIRDPARTYBOX:THIRDPARTYPORT via YOURREMOTEBOX
asciilifeform: for moar complex/auto-restarting example, see also http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000252.html article
Mocky: cloudfront 504 on that link atm
asciilifeform: Mocky: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/uKGVw/?raw=true until the damn thing moves off shitazon
Mocky: asciilifeform, ty
asciilifeform: Mocky: fwiw i very rarely use tunnels as such, usually makes moar sense to simply use browser etc on the remote box via ordinary ssh
asciilifeform: 'screen' proggy is handy there.
asciilifeform: the tunnel thing is for if you find yourself in some fascist bananistan that blocks fleanode etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imo that avoxi item sounds fine. send you # ?
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: Sent 6 hours and 39 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ql56A/?raw=true
a111: Logged on 2018-10-05 22:25 Mocky: a lot of sites are blocked in qatar and i don't know if I'll need it but I'd like to run a web proxy on my pizarro shared hosting just in case. can someone make a recommendation? do I need something like tinyproxy or squid, or is there a way to do it without installing anything?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plox then to gpggram, i'ma setup when i wake