mircea_popescu: conpress lel
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo here's a +1 : i return from the beach also! took there, inter alia, girly whom i bought a perfectly see through, 50% of surface holes, inch-over-cunt-if-upright "dress" which i authoritatively declared to be "her bathing suit", last week. and told her she'll have to wear it at the beach. and she fretted over this wearing of this peculiar bathing suit. so today the day came, and she stepped on the beach, and the ne
mircea_popescu: xt words out of my mouth were...
mircea_popescu: "take that dress off".
mircea_popescu: pai nu ?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-02 20:31 ben_vulpes: sad fate to be remembered for failing to take out agents of the imperium given ~unlimited time and inclination to prepare.
mircea_popescu: as almost anyone in the republic can well attest, 2 weeks is pretty much the most constrained time can ever get.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-02 21:50 BingoBoingo: Terry didn't let his daughter's feelz get in the way of his cause
a111: Logged on 2018-10-02 23:36 asciilifeform: so presently i end up shelving the idea erry time it makes circle round my conveyor
mircea_popescu: http://ossasepia.com/2018/09/27/tester-for-udp-communications/#selection-93.276-93.306 << word. "default value" is one thing ; but this is quite another thing.
mircea_popescu: not sure why you keep calling them "packages" tho
mircea_popescu: http://bingology.net/2018/10/02/haiku-r1beta1-thoughts/#selection-15.6-17.43 << very much apropos of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855937
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 04:15 mircea_popescu: if linus wasn't around to subvert early republican effort, it's not the case "republic wouldn't have ever existed" ; but it is the case republic would have been greater and better without his despicable ass.
BingoBoingo: BeOS, Amiga, infant BSD and plan9 *nixen
BingoBoingo: !!up nicoleci
deedbot: nicoleci voiced for 30 minutes.
nicoleci: thanks, BingoBoingo!
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-03#1857574 -> uhm, mainly because I think of network package basically; technically speaking I suppose I should call them..datagrams, uhm
a111: Logged on 2018-10-03 04:55 mircea_popescu: not sure why you keep calling them "packages" tho
lobbesbot: diana_coman: Sent 5 hours and 56 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> your rk is redisked! and running; you may want to stand up yer www server (iirc it doesn't run on boot)
diana_coman: hm, that is...wrong line!
diana_coman: ahhh, nm, I got confused with the later tell msg
diana_coman: asciilifeform, confirmed, thank you!
diana_coman: www is up, date is set, everything so far looks fine; I'll give it a more thorough checkup in ~2 hours and get back to you
diana_coman: come to think about it, I can see the case for calling them "messages" since it's not the network level there, indeed
asciilifeform: aaand i'ma skip this morning's 'in trb observatory...' , it's a straight line of 'ACCEPTED' from known trb people
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-03#1857575 << imho it would be difficult to find a worse example of 'if only could have lived, if not linux!' than beos ( at one point i was quite into archaeology of 'anyffing nonmicroshit', eagerly dug up vintage/'resurrected' pc os, but once actually got close to the things typically found that 'ugh, ~same shit, different bottle' )
a111: Logged on 2018-10-03 05:00 mircea_popescu: http://bingology.net/2018/10/02/haiku-r1beta1-thoughts/#selection-15.6-17.43 << very much apropos of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855937
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-03#1857577 << amiga's os was a pretty simple thing, rather closer to msdos 'init the iron & get the fuck out of the way' than to current-day items
a111: Logged on 2018-10-03 05:05 BingoBoingo: BeOS, Amiga, infant BSD and plan9 *nixen
asciilifeform: as for early bsd, recall http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-12#1450475 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1488603 , elsewhere
a111: Logged on 2016-04-12 15:09 asciilifeform: it always struck me as a kind of 'bsd 4' - yes, 'hackable', yes, 'small', but the ~wrong kind of small~, the kind that will balloon into the same megalith as sbcl if you were to add all of the missing but necessary pieces.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 18:53 asciilifeform: kinda how i boot up that cute x86 systemv and then notice that it is PALPABLY slow on modern pentium because it lacks ANY disk cache etc.
asciilifeform: for some reason unable to unearth the 'revived system-v' thread, if anyone knows where it is, plox to link
a111: Logged on 2015-11-05 04:49 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu finally dug up the sysv6-on-x86 thing. http://blog.regehr.org/archives/1114
asciilifeform: ^ the most complete thread re subj
diana_coman: looking at the udp tester data, it seems my uy end got also some packets from 22.214.171.124, lol
asciilifeform: diana_coman: interesting ; any idea re contents ?
asciilifeform: and hey BingoBoingo , what's 126.96.36.199 ?
diana_coman: anyways, at a quick look, no errors on either direction between the 2 concerned nodes, ~99.80% made it to the other side ; will get to do a proper write-up with more details by the end of this week
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I can tell at least some of them, yes, because they got reported as "errors" because not what expected
diana_coman: but yes, I think it's just someone around here playing with the tester?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: my notes dun feature a -254...
asciilifeform: i'm pretty curious nao
asciilifeform: i'm thinking it's the switch
diana_coman: uhm, but somehow packages were received with the switch as source ?? and actually it IS extra packages as it were, since adding them does result in more than were sent...
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i expect it's pissing broadcast crapola ( dhcp ? BingoBoingo ? ) to the lan
diana_coman: ahhh, that can be, dhcp, ugh
asciilifeform: well this dun solve the puzzle
asciilifeform: typical broadcast crapola wouldn't be addressed to port 7000 or what was it diana_coman picked
diana_coman: no, but at least gives some idea more than I had on this, lol
asciilifeform: diana_coman: do you suppose you can reproduce this, with tcpdump going ?
asciilifeform: i'd be curious to see the payload
asciilifeform: ( esp. curious whether the behaviour relates to fragging )
diana_coman: I can certainly try and leave a tcpdump going to see what /if it gets anything
diana_coman: will see to it later
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ty
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856533 << here's an example : did the ~source~ of http://qntra.net/2018/09/power-rangers-inserted-inflation-bug-into-core-bitcoin-network-client-in-2016/ discuss the tbf position ? if not, why not ?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 15:51 mod6: I feel like I can be pretty successful in doing that, it's the other things that I feel like I'm lacking -- a senseable direction to a 'Standford'.
mircea_popescu: if not, why not "hello x, I am y, i represent tbf, our position is, i can be reached through k j p q in the future" ?
mircea_popescu: i don't mean, ~once~. i do such things, the once, to instruct and inform. like say that harvard piece.
mircea_popescu: the point of instruct and inform is that it sticks, and it becomes systematic and universal. we're not africans, whereby "oh, the shamans does the electricity thing, we're all safe now from having to do".
mircea_popescu: we're europeans, "he did that ? i wonder if i could do it too... check it out i can... guess what, I AM DOING IT FROM NOW ON". and so following.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and hey BingoBoingo , what's 188.8.131.52 ? << It should be the switch
mircea_popescu: this idea whereby we can both a) long endure and b) persistently remain null at outreach on all levels is the stuff of alf's boats.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for long time i repeatedly 'hi omfg-rsa-xyz-of-the-day people, here's phuctor, i speak for...' etc. 0 result. but possibly was doingitwrong
mircea_popescu: documented ?
asciilifeform: pretty sure i pasted some of'em
asciilifeform: but difficult to debug a thing that returns null
asciilifeform: ( i.e. why bernstein not replied ? only odin knows )
mircea_popescu: these are attention seeking schmucks, not "name in their own mind" morons.
mircea_popescu: (have you noticed, btw, back in the days of free !!ups to allcomers, what large proportion of those? "who are you, x ?" "i am x" "but that's nobody" "nevertheless!")
asciilifeform: 'i am ogh, son of ugh'
mircea_popescu: and my book's tigdic-tigdic.
asciilifeform: but of course
asciilifeform: chukcha dun read anyffing else.
asciilifeform: observe how quickly they evaporate when the find that we dun have tgdyk.
asciilifeform: the bigger riddle is wherethefuck the thinking folx are. there oughta be some uranium in 1000 litres of sea, where is it.
mircea_popescu: nevermind that. interfacing with the ambitious schmucks is the topic here.
mircea_popescu: as a factual matter, did random "bitcoin news" crapola know or didn't know mod6 represents tbf and can be reached foir comment ?
asciilifeform: hey mod6... consider writing to that one
asciilifeform: ( i expect same result as my phuctor propaganda, but imho mircea_popescu is right in that it oughta be tried, repeatedly , before can say 'it all goes to /dev/null' )
mircea_popescu: ALL. the point is all.
mircea_popescu: not that one. all of them.
asciilifeform: as many as can be turned up
asciilifeform: possibly idea for hanbot, who was considering taking up tbf , and is in fact experienced hand in subj
asciilifeform: if mod6 is overloaded, i can give it a shot myself later this wk, but imho this is suboptimal, asciilifeform does not represent tbf
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wai does the switch have a public www face ? afaik this is optional toggle, and really oughta be off
asciilifeform: thing oughta move packets, and that's all, and not sit with open mouth to net
mircea_popescu: noobs :D
asciilifeform adds ' asciilifeform-recipe switch ' to next cargo manifest
asciilifeform: it was in fact supposed to go in the 1st , but ended up sadly left behind , rk plant ranked higher , and mass -- limited
asciilifeform: $subj is not , of course, custom silicon, but is a heathenware switch where asciilifeform ripped out the internal ssd and emplaced hand-sewn kernel + 'pf'
Mocky: what's 'pf'?
asciilifeform: Mocky: 'packet filter'
mircea_popescu: lmao. oh, the thing that couldn't be done commercially, is now done commercially.
mircea_popescu: the wonders this log witnesses for all times to come!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's a sow's ear
mircea_popescu: you got issues, alfie.
mircea_popescu: if it's good enough to ship to pizarro it's good enough to sell.
asciilifeform: but fwiw has been running asciilifeform's torture room for nearly 4y without a single burp
a111: Logged on 2018-10-03 03:18 trinque: "we slay incas" while cute, communicates nothing except "you're not in the in-group"
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/have-you-ever-paid-for-sex/ << Trilema - Have you ever paid for sex ?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: item will need some tuning to work as pizarro main switch, presently i only ever used it as a nat ( large-ish lan to 1 external ip ) thing
mircea_popescu: YOU GOT ISSUES
a111: Logged on 2018-10-03 16:27 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wai does the switch have a public www face ? afaik this is optional toggle, and really oughta be off
mircea_popescu: haha. word huh, we got some nice coincidences going.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, if it help, here's an example of those packets from the switch - it's from the error log - I can pass you the whole file if it's of any use : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ToYHc/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Investigating
diana_coman: it certainly does look like some chopped off part of one of the messages sent around
mircea_popescu: some kind of broken echoing ?
diana_coman: suspected old frag perhaps? no idea
diana_coman: onth it's hard to *really* tell if it is indeed chopped off part or just other garbage, hmm
diana_coman: that time sent is too small really
diana_coman: but then who/wtf sends udp on port 7000 ? and meanwhile I left tcpdump sniffing and ...nothing so far
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i suspect it's a frag, but hard to be certain until one's captured 'alive'
asciilifeform: it is worth noting that -- afaik -- nobody is actually using 'heavy' udp for anyffing
asciilifeform: the only commonplace heathen uses i'm aware of , use tiny packets (e.g. dns, iirc, 512)
asciilifeform: so there could be all sortsa strange in various ip stacks, and i would not know of it
diana_coman: asciilifeform, see the paste; that one is part of the live capture basically - the error log simply logs all bytes that have a different value than expected
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i meant, would like to see hexdump of the packet itself
diana_coman: asciilifeform, well, it IS all of it in there although you'd need to reconstitute it basically: look there, *all* the payload was different, so all of it IS reported; first bytes are reported anyway (sizesent and timesent)
diana_coman: anyways, I'll let you know if tcpdump sniffs any/ can tell which one it is, but this paste there is the bird in hand atm
diana_coman: such are the perils of literal reading of logs, since yes http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855541
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 04:22 mod6: sweet, trb is done
asciilifeform: diana_coman: sadly i dun have just nao the time to re-create packet from list of decimals.. so will have to wait for dump
asciilifeform: 'Asciilifeform ran the experimental patch bringup in trb node zoolag' << bahahahawaaat
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: www has been killed
asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: inb4 bimbo.club : ' BingoBoingo killed www ! '
BingoBoingo: Well, literally that happened
BingoBoingo has killed www many times
BingoBoingo: On different machines
BingoBoingo: There have even been times where I rigged www to kill itself
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-02#1857518 -> my public node is in Singapore if that's any help
a111: Logged on 2018-10-02 23:39 asciilifeform: diana_coman: do you have one back in 'old blightey' ? or know of a place there where i oughta put one
asciilifeform: aa i thought that was trinque
asciilifeform: ( unless you both have'em there )
diana_coman: for all I know he might have it there too? I did not coordinate/ask
diana_coman: as for ideas, dunno what/how you ruled out i.e...new zealand?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: would rather start from the bottom of the pantsuitism list rather than top..
asciilifeform: ( we already have buncha noades in nato reich , if shelling out for heathen boxen, would prefer outside )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: pre-pizarro i actually tried a dozen ru isp. they all wanted ru corp.
asciilifeform: which asciilifeform no can haz.
diana_coman: o.O what, you mean you can't just rent a machine there?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i was not able to discover a 'hard nope', but all of the attempts that answered, ended in this eggog
asciilifeform: this was, recall, part of why BingoBoingo & mircea_popescu ended up 'let's isp'
diana_coman: having one in the uk is...easy I'd say, but I'm not all that sure it's worth much, lol
asciilifeform: 'bout same as usa
diana_coman: I suppose if not Russia proper, at any rate, Moldova, Ukr, Belarus
asciilifeform: possibly moar promising dir
asciilifeform: 1 commonplace gotcha in orcistans is where they demand a 'physical presence' locally so they have a neck to squeeze if $box 'found to be' serving up naked pics of nazarbaev or whoever equiv.
asciilifeform: my reading of ru law suggested this hypothesis re ru
asciilifeform: here is also where i must note that , while i'd like moar / moar-dispersed trb nodez, my time budget for trying to talk sense into remote orcs is quite limited atm
asciilifeform: and yea, perhaps very soon qatar noad!
asciilifeform: diana_coman: iirc at one time mircea_popescu actually had a ru box ; but i dun recall him sharing how he bought it, possibly it was a mircea_popescutronic transaction and not repeatable on demand, i have nfi presently
asciilifeform: ( possibly he even has it nao, i recall seeing a trb noad running from ru not too long ago )
asciilifeform: i'm quite reluctant to sink substantial moneys into heathen isps, for obv. reason. in that thread was thinking of 'cash and carry' modest item, strictly for moar-trb.
BingoBoingo: Catching up on dispatches from the USG fortress in Barrio Sur (El Barrio de los Negros), it turns out they Embassy warned their subjects against participating in pretty cool cultural event: https://uy.usembassy.gov/message-to-u-s-citizens-security-alert-avoid-traveling-on-the-rambla-in-pocitos-punta-carretas-and-on-avenida-18-de-julio-tonight/
BingoBoingo: Event was 128th birthday of Peñarol futbol club
BingoBoingo: Yes, they try to sneak "supergas" cylinders into the stadium, but on the other hand the locals care intensely about little else. Unless they are fans of Club Nacional de Futbol in which case they are a bunch of little pussies.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: supergas ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The cylinders look like lp tanks from back home. I suspect it is lp, but the locals only ever call it supergas.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and they do what, light'em and throw'em ?
asciilifeform: lol !
BingoBoingo: Not so much anymore now that stadium security is a thing, but historically
asciilifeform: i could ask 'why into stadium, and not us embassy' but prolly there is no answer to be had.
BingoBoingo: Well, the OTHER team's fans are in stadium
BingoBoingo: Now, If Trump makes Maduro sink a USG aircraft carrier the derp squad might try a run at US embassy, but I doubt they would have the commitment they do when serving as hinchas de Peñarol
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: conceivably whole lizard.purpose of organized sport-gladiatorism is to get the derps to throw lit petrol in stadium, at one another, instead of at pantsuit.
BingoBoingo: Not unimaginable
BingoBoingo: The pro-marihuana thing likely for similar reasons. Keeps them comfortable while bored and saps their energy so they don't burn Mujica for making them all poorer.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm almost surprised, at this point, that they haven't yet reintroduced opium den
asciilifeform: afaik it was just short of perfect for this spec.
BingoBoingo: I think they did that in San Fran and somewhere near where ben_vulpes is leaving "safe injection site" I believe is the pantsuited newspeak
asciilifeform: ( pharmacologically also interesting : old-school opium 'smokers' ( wasn't actually smoked, it was sublimated in a device resembling today's 'crack pipe', and pretty 'high tech' procedure, look at photo of the kit some time ) -- the moar active components of the vegetable -- morphine & relateds -- didn't make it out of the pipe bowl, broke down, so theoretically the chinese were actually doing a somewhat different dope than today's j
asciilifeform: so not the same, in important aspect, as today's 'injection sites'
asciilifeform: i recall reading once about an american 'sinologist' type who started by collecting the pipes ( they were often quite ornate, ivory, rhino, exotic woods ) and ended up... reconstructing actual opium den, somewhere
BingoBoingo: Well, apparently the hot thing in California the Uruguayos haven't figured out yet is called "dabbing". Apparently it's a way to crack pipe hashish
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ancient persia got there 1st
BingoBoingo: And yet the Uruguayos are still behind
BingoBoingo: And the californians recently figured it out
asciilifeform: orcs are doomed to 'discover' simple techs again & again, 4evah
asciilifeform: sorta goes with orcdom
BingoBoingo: It does indeed
asciilifeform: re opiumists, as i understand the procedure was fiddly enuff that it in fact required a second set of hands -- for rich d00d, servant; for poor -- den flunkie
asciilifeform: Officially(tm) opium den, and the attendant preparation tech (the raw vegetable had to be processed in a particular way) are extinct. but betcha mircea_popescu , who traveled in the near east, knows the troof...
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-03#1857712 << nope, deedbot sits in singapore, but not his node.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-03 18:14 asciilifeform: aa i thought that was trinque
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-03#1857690 ~every internet multiplayer video game and all voip signaling and voice content. both qualify as heavy along multiple dimensions
a111: Logged on 2018-10-03 17:03 asciilifeform: it is worth noting that -- afaik -- nobody is actually using 'heavy' udp for anyffing
asciilifeform: Mocky: i was speaking of heavy (i.e. fraggable) packets
asciilifeform: not heavy traffic per se
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/10/dell-idrac-bmc-vulnerability-discovered/ << Qntra - Dell iDRAC BMC Vulnerability Discovered
asciilifeform: Run Moar bmc...
BingoBoingo: Its like they expect to embrace holes without the necessary stuffing
BingoBoingo: And before anyone brings up the latest Sokal 2.0, yes. A qntra is baking.
mod6: ok, let me get caught up here.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-03 13:28 asciilifeform: aaand i'ma skip this morning's 'in trb observatory...' , it's a straight line of 'ACCEPTED' from known trb people
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/qntra-sqntr-september-2018-statement/ << Trilema - Qntra (S.QNTR) September 2018 Statement
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-03#1857624 << I did hear about this bug, of course. I had considered perhaps sending out something about this, but before I even dared to speak, I wanted to investigate the problem in prb-shithub, as well as the CVE. I haven't even had a spare moment yet.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-03 15:39 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856533 << here's an example : did the ~source~ of http://qntra.net/2018/09/power-rangers-inserted-inflation-bug-into-core-bitcoin-network-client-in-2016/ discuss the tbf position ? if not, why not ?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2018/euloras-communication-protocol-restated/#comment-126812
asciilifeform: ohai mircea_popescu
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-03#1857626 << I think this is along the lines of what I had in mind, yeah.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-03 15:39 mircea_popescu: if not, why not "hello x, I am y, i represent tbf, our position is, i can be reached through k j p q in the future" ?
mircea_popescu: mod6 ideally the situation is that they send something to ask, "hey, what about this"
mircea_popescu: in point of fact, all ideology and blather aside, there simply does not exist anyone with any expertise BESIDES us.
mod6: I've just had 9000 lbs of shit in a 5 lbs bag lately. If someone wants to help me, or write something in conjunction with me, that'd be really great.
mircea_popescu: if they don't want an actual pov, and would rather publish content free fluff indefinitely, that is their problem
asciilifeform: mod6: interestingly, i'm also drowning in record-breaking liquishit in the saeculum
mod6: Sure. I just wanted to ensure that I knew what the facts were, should I say anything, and were to start getting questions about it.
mircea_popescu: changes ~nothing, there's publications out there that print bs about how magical doohickeys reduce gasoline usage by cars and shaman x cured cancer and gingivitis.
mircea_popescu: there's also publications what'd try and get hold of an acvtual engineer, or doctor, or w/e relevant professional.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they're paid for it, neh
asciilifeform: the doohickeys, that is
mircea_popescu: on the topic of bitcoin, 100% of relevant professionals is tmsr. like it or not.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from the pov of $heathen derp rag, it's gavin
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform entirely their choice to make, copyrwriting or journalism. i dun care. but the choice must be made, by them, and as such.
asciilifeform: and if not gavin, then hearn
mircea_popescu: this is nobody's pov.
asciilifeform: really ? cuz erry time i see the heathen liquishit, it's still ~same pieces of shit being quoted
mircea_popescu: because you're all lazy and psychotic, and would rather talk my ear off than go ask a girl out.
mircea_popescu: now enough of that shit.
asciilifeform: mod6: let's put the letters ( + any replies ) on yer www, when they go, so we dun gotta have this thread 2nd time
mod6: So just post whatever letters to the the world on mod6.net? And not the ML?
mod6: well, lol, I guess the ML is in a bit of a state lately.
asciilifeform: ml too
asciilifeform: was about to say, aha
mircea_popescu: absolutely. then we can actuallky DISCUSS them, rather than typically non-tmsr-esque "oh, i did something sometime i don't remember what i don't remember when and i didn't follow what happened".
asciilifeform: actually prolly oughta deedbot'em for good measure
mircea_popescu: moreover, if these letters were already on www, the "wtf is this foundation doing" q would not have been needed last week.
asciilifeform: that way the fishwrap morons can never 'you never asked!11'
mod6: Oh, that's what I think we did last time asciilifeform. deedbot.
mircea_popescu: link ?
mod6: I gotta dig it up. It was from the "if you go on a fork..." thing iirc.[
mircea_popescu: did a bunch of such letters end up on deedbot ?
mircea_popescu: you mean 2015 ?
mod6: i'll find it, just a minute. then I gotta reivew the rest of the log, and move on to pizarro things.
mircea_popescu: check it out, and it prevented the fork, and you... frogot about it ? never used it again ?
asciilifeform: i dun remember any such thing, never thought to do it with bernstein et al
mod6: it may have been a while ago, ya.
mircea_popescu: why not use the methods that ARE PROVEN TO WORK jaysus!
asciilifeform: aaa! mircea_popescu's missile battery letter
mircea_popescu: "everyone thinks gavin is the expert", says alf, in 2018. but when in 2015 mp said "fuck gavin", gavin got fucked. everyone thinks ?
mircea_popescu: gimme a fucking break.
asciilifeform: i dun have an oracle re 'everyone', only the mouthpiece fishwraps, and even these i'll admit i read irregularly
mircea_popescu: girls don't think what you think they think, not least of all because ~the only fucking reason~ you lie to yourself about thinking that's what girls think is so as to save your lazy ass the effort of ever talking to one.
asciilifeform: mod6: mircea_popescu is right, gotta write'em, or else cannot say 'they dun know'
mircea_popescu: and even that aside -- gotta write them, or otherwise vehehery tenuously can say "r foundation". because this is the sorta thing a foundation does, and this one's chartered to do -- outreach.
mod6: I'm not at all sure, in every sense of the word, of what to write about the subject. All I know was "bug found in core version 0.16.X"
mod6: And for the time being, I've got Pizarro things that need doing.
mod6: But I'd be glad to have some help, if anyone is willing to help ole mod6.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-03 16:24 asciilifeform: possibly idea for hanbot, who was considering taking up tbf , and is in fact experienced hand in subj
a111: Logged on 2018-10-03 16:26 asciilifeform: if mod6 is overloaded, i can give it a shot myself later this wk, but imho this is suboptimal, asciilifeform does not represent tbf
asciilifeform: mod6: example: 'dear herr editor at volkischer beobachter: you have been misinformed by your sources re the subject of bitcoin. the client maintained by gavin et al, known as 'core', currently offered at version x.x, and infamous for lethally compromising bugs, most recently [qntra link] , is not the definitive client but a work of malicious impostors ; the actual bitcoin client can be found at [tbf] , consists of x LOC (and decreasi
asciilifeform: ng), and is offered with pgp-verified record of changes [phf's patch viewer], .... etc '
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what do you think of this angle
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-03#1857737 << nicoleci - So what was going on there was this: I had compiled a new trb with a new patch that I was testing, and I was remarking about that it's build was finished.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-03 18:50 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-03#1857698 << roflmao. GRREAT WIN!
asciilifeform: mod6: is above enuff to start from, or need help to expand
mod6: I could probably start there. I am getting winded here guys.
mod6: I mean, my ticker can't keep up with this stuff. Gonna give me a heart-attack.
asciilifeform: mod6: i've been eating, breathing, sweating, microshit, for past 14hrs. and this is 2nd week...
mod6: I gotta get the report done for pizarro. I've also gotta lock in a price and get the bills paid.
mod6: Once I have those things done, I can move on to these other things. Unless mircea_popescu and asciilifeform find it prudent that I drop what I'm doing there and write whatever this thing is.
asciilifeform: mod6: i dun think it will be a terrible thing if it has to wait a day, so long as we do it shortly
mod6: I'm not going to be done with this report a few days ~at a minimum~.
mod6: Last month took 17 days.
mod6: Hopefully it won't be that bad this time, but I'm having to learn all of this stuff as I go.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/10/academics-enter-hyperwank-state-after-sokal-2-0-experiment-blasts-credibility-of-prestige-journals/ << Qntra - Academics Enter Hyperwank State After "Sokal 2.0" Experiment Blasts Credibility of "Prestige Journals"
BingoBoingo: ^ Mega BlockQUOTES
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform certainly better than current "state of the art"!
mircea_popescu: hanbot lend the fellows a hand ?
mod6: BingoBoingo just got me his numbers, so I can start calculations on that stuff now. And I think I'm about to lock in a price point for October. Which we need not only to keep the lights on, but also so we can start invoicing folks so I don't take another beating like I did in July.
BingoBoingo: <mod6> I'm not going to be done with this report a few days ~at a minimum~. << I am here so you can unload this on me
mod6: All I'm saying folks is that I'm doing the best that I can with what I've got to work with.
mod6: Yes, mircea_popescu, any help from hanbot, yourself, asciilifeform would be awesome. I just have too many things atm.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they have a point, only sane way to look at the orcs is as what they are -- a primitive culture.
mircea_popescu: pantsuit is not substantially different from any other inconsequential group of niggers the white man subdued to date.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Which is why it is entered into the record. All of the secondary reporting made finding their report ON THEIR OWN PROJECT a serious bitch.
mircea_popescu: nice going.
BingoBoingo: Which is why unlike so many other finds it got the early qntra mega block quote treatment while so many other things get the archive.is take it or leave it
mod6: BingoBoingo: If you really want to take this on, I won't object. I had thought that we would kinda go over it together... but if you wanna work through it and see how it goes, that's fine. ben_vulpes told me that he would review the report before we publish it again this month.
mod6: brb meat
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i suspect that it won't 'kill credibility' , it is impossible to kill what's been dead since orig sokal (at the very least!) -- but still lulzy
asciilifeform: these folx live in hermetically sealed parallel universe, that i suspect can only be pierced with bullet and oven
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That thought influenced the title word choice. Can't kill a corpse, but you can still hit it for damage.
asciilifeform: i recently got hold of local uni's 'student newspaper', it apparently consists ~100% by weight nao of 'police report : someone wrote 'nigger' on a whiteboard' .
asciilifeform: 'hate crime investigation'
asciilifeform: week, after week, for sumthing like 3yrs nao
BingoBoingo: My alma maters got that shit going on too
mircea_popescu: the whole thing is basically social payments extension. there's a lot of idle schmuycks who expect to get government freebies under the title of "doing" this crap.
asciilifeform: and they're gettin'
mircea_popescu: point of fact remains -- most zeks not useful in any sense. all zeks would still like to eat. this is the conduit through which they get their foodstamps.
asciilifeform: phood, communal flats ( they can't build'em fast enuff.. ), 'degrees', jerbs, et
trinque: isn't as though they get real food out of it either, just velveeta and fungal breadlike. what's to care about?
mircea_popescu: so the notion that somehow it could be undone by meaning... item exists economically. all the women "liberated" from depending on a male are still just as dependent. much like all the slaves "liberated" from slave owner are just as much slaves.
mircea_popescu: state steps in and surogates.
mircea_popescu: what they "say"... well they ain't sayin' anything. in the great depression lotta folk "listened" in church because only way they'd get the bowl of soup.
mircea_popescu: same exact thing here -- great depression, church, bowl of soup.
mircea_popescu: the notion that the 1920s produced a whole lotta churchgoers is exactly of the same cloth as the notion that the 2000s produced a whole lotta academics, "discourse", "awareness" and what have you.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not as much getting as they used to get. Today the SIU department of Philosophy has 7 faculty members. Since I was there were five promotions to emeritus (some rather young) and at least three other departures. In the intervening decade they have ONE new face on their faculty web page.
mircea_popescu: well of course, this is the problem with government-"solved" problems : the solving produces the problem, and the only available response is to dilute the "solution". homeopathy for the masses!
BingoBoingo: 14 down to 7 in a decade
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is entirely consistent with my observed picture ( the same lost souls auto-enter 'grad school' because otherwise... 'starbucks' + loans called in )
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile a couple journals, a couple "centers of study", and a book series has been reduced to... a book series
mircea_popescu: exactly how the other socialism played out -- by the time 1980 rolled around, there were so many "responsibles" to the worker, there was barely enough bread to go around.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: waiwat?! they actually closed shop ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yup. i would expect 2/3 to 4/5ths of all females in the age range to "more education" / "back to school" because very much http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#selection-111.0-111.31 and literally nobody can be arsed to even asked them to suck cock. forget paying for it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes ; the whole "field" has been taking water for decade+.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they're at the 'only can be sold for meat' level, i suspect
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i meant, as result of $noose
mircea_popescu: nah. as a result of, no moneys.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They closed shops plural. Apparently the repurposed residential buildings are there, but locked without grad students funded to guard the door.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i found out recently that uni lib's budget is nao something like 70-80% for 'electronic subscriptions'. meanwhile, 3 of 8 floors emptied of boox, and carrying on
asciilifeform: ( no prizes for guessing , subscriptions to what. )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had a piece re termites.
mod6: ok back
BingoBoingo: Mind that as recently as 2010 one of the centers there had just been inaugurated and the older one was opening satellite facilities at Chinese universities
asciilifeform: incidentally, the 'transgender transracial studies' etc people are the easy marks for laughter, but i see ~0 diff b/w them and what's been coming out of the 'sciences' rags for past 20y
asciilifeform: i.e. unreplicable crapola where one'd have to catch the authors and connect'em to 220v to get the orig data, supposing it existed
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because the "science" just as much on the dole, and consequently the main reason the "grievances field" (i kinda like the term tbh) even exists.
ben_vulpes tearing personal and foundation iron out of hometown dc, bbl
asciilifeform: i aint particularly surprised, really, errything reversemidas touches turns to shit, not merely some
mircea_popescu: the logic is sound, if you think it through : "we fat sexually worthless females, in a word we the mamies, have the following grievance : back when the clever boys discovered new lands and made train engines, you priviledged them for this reason. now -- they do not. why can't we also have the payola they get ?" "uhm..." "and if you don't like this simple formulation, we can add 10mn words of rephrasings ?" "fuck"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform because the "science" just as much on the dole, and consequently the main reason the "grievances field" (i kinda like the term tbh) even exists. << I didn't realise until today that I am one of the leading indepenent scholars in greviances studies
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but of course. and ( at least at my local shithole ) that forest fire has only just begun -- the 'sciences' still get sumthing like 20x moar payola than the mamies
asciilifeform: and this is eternal 'grievance'
asciilifeform: and i expect will be fixed.
mircea_popescu: as long as "engineering" and computer pseudoscience and tesla and deeply dysfunctional entirely-not-a-chance-in-hell-of-ever-working-why-don't-you-talk-of-hp-anymore "electric" cars get money... on what grounds can you deny it to irigaray and her brood ?
asciilifeform: esp since the 'mamies' are 'red-blooded amurrricans' and the 'sciences' people, largely yellow devils
mircea_popescu: yes ?
mircea_popescu: you see ? it is actually very sensible, in the "common sense" sense of sensibility.
asciilifeform: but of course
mircea_popescu: ask one of the fucktards this, sometime. "hey, mp's bmw has 270 hp under the hood. what's your tesla got ?"
mircea_popescu: because the "oh, we don't DO hp anymore" is definitely coming out.
mircea_popescu: let's take the 2012 tesla s lulz : 581 kW theoretical powerplant ; 100 kWh theoretical battery pack. it's like a bmw with a two ounce tank!!!
mircea_popescu: can go for all of ten minutes.
mircea_popescu: and yet tesla got to pretend it's worth 300 a share ; and 2bn a year spending money out of the "shareholder"'s piggy. where's the mamie with 2bn to spend, i wish to see this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc tesla sux not because lacks 300hp ( iirc they had one with massive motor ) but because costs like 15 of mp's bmw
asciilifeform: and lives for 2y
mircea_popescu: that is precisely what i mean.
mod6: !!withdraw 0.81037277 168AkkaciPGrFFzfSENXAD921mi8W3S3Xv
mircea_popescu: https://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/tsla/news-headlines << check it out, nasdaq has a whole "menu" of optiopns, except no fucking way to establish market capitalization ; the only page that'd maybe do it, the (legally mandated, btw) anuyal report, http://www.companyspotlight.com/partner?cp_code=NAS1&ticker=TSLA ... times out.
mircea_popescu: noooo-ooobody knows what this latest groupon burned.
mircea_popescu: in the end, maddoff fucking won.
mircea_popescu: just the insane way that all is organized, 100% DESIGNED to turn the eye towards the scam and away from the actuarial backing. where the fruck is the fucking list of how much stock they sold ?
mircea_popescu: "oh, no, mp, nevermind that, would you like any of these 5 instantaneous made up quote streams ?!?!" "no." "how about the randomized news feed" "fuck off".
mod6: !!v FC3B78FA3E9809F8BD83DED36509209F34CE63EB2ECA1D7BC99A5B810024CD11
mircea_popescu: "there's a whole list of what people said about the thing you're wanting to see ?" jesus.
mircea_popescu: anyway ; terminal (which hasn't been "updated" to "newest in ux and gui" crap, thankfully) lets us know they have 170,593,000 shares outstanding, not counting warrants and options.
mircea_popescu: the 2bn they burned in 2017 comes out of a ~51bn piggy.
mircea_popescu: now show me the "hypatia" with 50bn endowment.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'hypatias' deal in turkeybux ( or , whatever the little termites, 'students', eat in place of turkey ), so perhaps not comparable with the imagibux traded on laughsdaq
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/holy-shit-technical-analysis-is-real/#selection-81.0-97.26 still stands undisturbed, meanwhile.
asciilifeform does not know the conversion ratio, if it even makes sense to ask for one, how do ya convert metres to litres...
mircea_popescu: well... the laughsdaq endowment still got the chinese to ship some man-sized li batteries over to frisco, yes ?
mircea_popescu: so i'm saying... it's not 0, whatever the actual ratio. and if i concede a 0.1, you're still not gonna produce the 5bn hypatia.
asciilifeform: they're man-sized, but made of lappy cells
mircea_popescu: well of course.
asciilifeform: costs'em ~epsilon
asciilifeform: ( gotta dump those recycled crapples ~somewhere~...)
mircea_popescu: costs whom ? the little yellow men? of course. but the lolzdaq tards still paying for it.
asciilifeform: aa them -- yes
mircea_popescu: in point of fact, the useless castrated boys get 50bn, and the useless fat girls get 50mn. this is the current disparity, if i had to guess.
asciilifeform: but afaik they aint denominated in same unit ?
asciilifeform: how much of the 50b is 'spendable' really
mircea_popescu: who even knows.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-04#1857945 << https://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/tsla/stock-report 170,593,000 so they say
a111: Logged on 2018-10-04 00:29 mircea_popescu: https://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/tsla/news-headlines << check it out, nasdaq has a whole "menu" of optiopns, except no fucking way to establish market capitalization ; the only page that'd maybe do it, the (legally mandated, btw) anuyal report, http://www.companyspotlight.com/partner?cp_code=NAS1&ticker=TSLA ... times out.
mircea_popescu: a there it is.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the webstyle just infuriates the shit out of me.
mircea_popescu: in random eggogs : the default theme for mp-wp (w/e it is bimbo.club got), the bottom link for comments rss links to http://bimbo.club/?feed=comments-rss2 which is broken ; http://bimbo.club/?feed=comments-rss is the correct endpoint.
mircea_popescu: or no, sorry ... it's just broken. the http://bimbo.club/?feed=comments-rss puts out valiud rss, but it seems it's the article feed.
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-03#1857870 << sure thing, i'll draft a coupla itams, expect 'em tomorrow.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-03 23:51 mircea_popescu: hanbot lend the fellows a hand ?
mod6: tyvm hanbot!