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mircea_popescu: << i dunno if anyone knows about this lulzy italian... "movement" ? basically, a 60yo comedian joined up with an online advertising "strategist" and created a haphazardly dysfunctional which nevertheless coallesced a fifth or so of the italian voting public.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's the lulz of all time.
ben_vulpes: horee shit mircea_popescu in stunna shades will wonders never cease
mats: as for the tls collection work, i purchased a 4tb hdd feralhosting box and walked the various Certificate Transparency log servers using to yield ~1tb / 400mn+ certs after deduplication
mircea_popescu: mats what's next on yer plate ?
mats: if you want to do your own analysis, you can download a compressed tarball of the csv i created for your convenience here with the rows n,e,pem_cert (you'll have to prepend&append "-----BEGIN CERTIFICATE-----\n", "\n-----END CERTIFICATE-----" to this field). i would grab this sooner than later, bill payment for this box stops Sep21
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes wonders will crease!
mircea_popescu: both in&de
mats: i neglected to parse for extended attributes, so i expect this csv will come in handy sooner rather than later. the n will aid a faster zgrep, sorry for the trouble
mats: mircea_popescu: over the next couple months, i'm going to reproduce the esp8266 experiment linked yesterday, and try to identify an even lower usable power state
mircea_popescu: not bad. got a blog going yet ?
mats: depending on how that goes, i'll explore different power plants, and if THAT goes well, there's a gnat port to build future ffa-gossipd
mats: no, not yet.
mircea_popescu: so make one, that way you have where to put the story of that attempt, and we have what to link against.
deedbot: << The Whet - hanbot's ZNC bouncer notes
mats: you got it
hanbot: ^ of possible Mocky interest
Mocky: thx! will take a look
Mocky: 'depilation treatment' lol
mircea_popescu: that said, some field investigation of powerplants is actually quite sorely needed. i suspect there's a decent gap between words online and objects the chinese ship, exactly in the vein of hanbot 's story above.
mircea_popescu: "what ~exactly~ can be had from or in the woods behind my house / on the roof of my windowsil" etc entirely not wasted effort.
mats: for the record, vultr and feralhosting were uncooperative regarding abuse complaints
mats: scaleway didn't give me any lip tho
mircea_popescu: who the hell would complain ?!
mats: koreans
mats: << i got half a dozen of these sorts
mats: cause knocking on the door is criminal, or something
mircea_popescu: wait, wtf sql injection ? you were getting certs or ?
mircea_popescu: um... you did this in... 2016 ?!
mats: sorry for the confusion, i got similar complaints for doing the ipv4 ssh/http/https/ssl scans
mats: thats not my complaint above, just has identical wording. i can't see the original complaints, as accounts were banned by the various providers
mats: oops - ssh/http/tls
lobbes: !Qlater tell mircea_popescu #e logs are updating again >>
lobbesbot: lobbes: The operation succeeded.
lobbes: so I have a question for the more experienced server operators out there: As of yesterday I found that I can no longer ssh into my rockchip (eggog:
lobbes: In addition: any attempts at reaching the www results in 403 errors.. (
lobbes: the weird thing (to me), is that it seems that I can -only- connect on port 5000 (which is the port I configured ZNC to use and the port through which I am speaking through -right now-)
lobbes: any ideas from anyone will be appreciated. I suspect znc is the culprit (problem started after setting that up) but I can't even diagnose without getting into the thing
lobbes off to sit on stake for 8 hours. bbl
BingoBoingo: lobbes: Do you want me to check your sshd_config?
asciilifeform: lobbes: loox like you zapped your pubkey somehow ?
asciilifeform: ( or chmodded it so cannot load )
asciilifeform: lobbes: rockchip boxen do not have vga/kbd consoles. so if this is so, the only way to recover your unit is to move the disk to another box and manually enable pw'd root login
BingoBoingo: I got hit with that error yesterday, rockchip was unresponsive to pings. Ended up pulling the drive, going over sshd_cofig and power cycling my Rockchip
asciilifeform: folx, make separate user for znc
asciilifeform: ( with /sbin/nologin as shell )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plox cure lobbes's rk . but in the future, this will prolly have to cost something, as it uses hands.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the quickest cure is simply to walk there and unplug his mains, and stick the disk in your lappy.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That's what I did on mine.
BingoBoingo: lobbes is the D machine?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: .194 is A, ... 199 : F
BingoBoingo: Aite, going to caffinate a bit more. I would like to wait for lobbes to confirm the order.
deedbot: << Qntra - New York 'Jewtropolis' Name Live On SnapChat, Zillow, Other Sites Briefly
lobbes: BingoBoingo, asciilifeform: sry about the radio silence; was in transit to $saltmines. I can confirm I'm fine with BingoBoingo working his magic on the box (Im also fine with the idea of paying a 'service fee', this was most likely my doing)
BingoBoingo: lobbes: ty, will head down soon then. Got another Qntra to squeeze out.
lobbes: << aha, while I did make a seperate user for znc.. I did not do the sbin/nologin as shell. Will make this standard practice going forward
a111: Logged on 2018-08-31 13:21 asciilifeform: ( with /sbin/nologin as shell )
lobbes: BingoBoingo: take yer time. Im stuck in $mines for the next 7 hours or so anyways
lobbes: But also: ty
deedbot: << Qntra - USG Lawyer Changes Story In Appellate Trial, 7 Years After Case Started Working Through Courts
Mocky: BingoBoingo, "to play *be* its own rulebook"
BingoBoingo: Mocky: ty fxd
mircea_popescu: << i had nfi muslims are that into micromanagement.
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: Sent 2 hours and 47 minutes ago: <lobbes> #e logs are updating again >>
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-08-31 13:35 rkta: Αⅼlаh iѕ dഠiᥒɡ
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: Sent 36 minutes ago: <Mocky> << we're on the same page. bot looks for You practiced Gathering but you don't seem to get any better at it. in fact, looks only for You practiced
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-08-31 06:35 mircea_popescu: Mocky i realise now i misspoke ; the idea is for the bot to stop when it sees the "you gain experience but don't seem to improve" message ; not when you level up a skill
BingoBoingo: lobbes: Looks from here like you are good to go
mircea_popescu: o btw re : ever screened for her ? it occurs to me it's possibly the best resource for student, genuine work of art, simplest language i can imagine.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 19:00 asciilifeform: asciilifeform's pet is working through learning ru, and periodically succumbs to temptation of google translate as 'learning tool', with predictably lulzy result
mircea_popescu: << this. znc has no business sharing your user, and ESPECIALLY not root.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-31 13:21 asciilifeform: ( with /sbin/nologin as shell )
asciilifeform: ohai mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: re znc -- it's a terrifying crock o'shit, but afaik there's no working replacement of yet
asciilifeform: fwiw i configged mine without the www plugin, but was a while ago
mircea_popescu: we seem to be collecting these.
asciilifeform: the sad part, it doesn't even do very much, could prolly be replaced with slightly refined trinqueian irc bot
asciilifeform: ( tho znc does dance the fleanode-demanded ssl crapola dance )
mircea_popescu: i expect, yes. 99% of the function is basically an irc proxy ; i expect 99% of the code is other dumb shit
asciilifeform: aha, proxy/reconnector + buncha ???? ( www configurator, fuckknowswhatelse )
mod6: Ok, so this whole pricing thing with Pizarro. (Thread begins here: We've been discussing this for a few days now. And anyone who has month-to-month service has been made correct in their pricing for August, as well as anyone who has established new "Shared Hosting" in August (nicoleci).
mircea_popescu: evidently a lot of republicans, and even a bunch of lords use, so it'd be entirely not wasted effort if someone wants to flatten the ircbot into this role.
mircea_popescu: especiallty considering most people who run a bot also want a znc -- if most people who want a znc get a free bot in the process it won't hurt anything.
asciilifeform: i set up a znc box in '16, has been working since ~continuously ( moved 1ce, disk burned out 1nce )
asciilifeform: you give it a user, /sbin/nologin, put the thing itself in cron @reboot , that's it
mod6: There are five (I previously thought there were four) accounts that have longer dated contracts, people who have signed up for a full year, or multiple months. We want to compensate those accounts for a mis-pricing posted since May 29th. The idea was to credit them 0.001 BTC/mo for June, July, and August.
mod6: Initially, I thought this was the right approach. But also could see that maybe, this wasn't square enough for longer dated contracts. However, this sets a bad precedent of reprincing active contracts if pricing or circumstances change.
mod6: mircea_popescu, for instance is paying for one of these for Mocky.
mod6: This one was setup on May 3rd, and goes through the end of 2018.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i really wouldn't bother ; prices can fluctuate, it's the nature of the beast, what are youi going to do, liquify all contracts and keep track of back and forth movements ? it's insanity.
mircea_popescu: the only thing it does is make accounting overexpensive.
mod6: I agree, it makes everything a nightmare really.
mircea_popescu: people sign up for what they sign up for ; if that changes it's one thing to give them the more favourable price going forward ; but you can't do this retroactive thing ?
mod6: I can see that too, Sir. I just wanna make sure we're doing the Right Thing (tm).
mircea_popescu: you seriously can't be sitting there spending hours on this pennies thing.
trinque: if you're trying to guard reputation, all you need to do is communicate clearly about the mechanism, and be done with it.
trinque: and then yeah, go get some ads up or something much more important
mod6: trinque: Thank you, fair enough.
mircea_popescu: it seriously can not be worth your time, this. i mean we're talking 0.001 or something ? 'cmon.
mod6: Fair point, I just didn't want to judge if how much someones money is worth to them outright.
mod6: Without some considedration, anyway.
trinque: speaking for myself, I'm gonna be way crankier if I've got 0.3BTC of hardware down there that's suddenly homeless
trinque: than over w/e beer money on the shared hosting
mircea_popescu: for one thing.
mircea_popescu: for the other fucking thing -- suppose the price went the OTHER way. what, you're gonna hit everyone with pesky small extra bills ?
mod6: True enough.
mircea_popescu: people who don't want long term contracts, ie don't want the fx risk, don't get long term contracts. it's that simple really.
mod6: *nod* agreed,
mod6: s/,/./
mod6: Well with that, I'm glad I brought this up in here. The guidence is going to be: Pizarro won't do anything at this time for existing contracts. Upon renewal, you'll pay the posted price.
mircea_popescu: as i'm 100% certain i'd have rejected a bill with the heading "see mp, it's more expensive nao than when we shook hands", i'm correspondingly 100% certain i don't care what happened. cuz that's why i'd have rejected it, "i don't care what happened".
mod6: Right.
mod6: I think I just needed some setting straight. I appreciate that.
mircea_popescu: dun mention it.
mod6: o7
diana_coman: mod6, as pizarro customer on a year-long contract I can confirm I do *not want* anything to be done; one upside of going longterm is precisely that it's set for some time and it doesn't require any additional ongoing attention essentially
mod6: Hi diana_coman! Thank you for your feedback.
hanbot: hey mod6, all this talk about znc being a crock and so on is a little unnerving. did change in meanwhile? anything you'd like me to do?
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-08-30 00:31 hanbot: q for the management --can i set up znc on UY3?
mod6: Hi, I've always stayed clear of znc, so have never used it myself. Let me take a look at what asciilifeform said above.
mod6: Regardless, we trust you to set it up and manage it -- It may be reasonable to find an alternative if one comes around that's suitble.
mod6: In your blog, you point out that you are using xchat. For me, since I use irssi (this might be helpful to others on the shared-environemt), it could be started up in a screen session, and simply ssh in attach your screen (or tmux?) to irc.
mod6: Or even a rockchip could be a good home for a remote irc boxen.
mod6: asciilifeform is our resident expert on these matters; are we still ok to let users run znc (at least for now)?
mircea_popescu: i suppose putting together a standard ircing recipe can't hurt anything
asciilifeform: mod6: znc (or whatever else) on rk box is between user and his gods
mod6: sure, but what about UY1?
asciilifeform: mod6: if on the shared machine, gotta avoid stepping on one another's feet, say which port you're gonna listen on
asciilifeform: ( say in #p , or here, but so as next user knows what ports in use )
asciilifeform: this is elementaryt
asciilifeform: *elementary
mod6: Aha. hanbot did give us her port number
mod6 digs up log-link
asciilifeform: so then where is problem
mod6: She's just making sure, since you noted what a pile of garbage it is.
asciilifeform: it's a pile of shit, just like emacs, kernel, gcc, all the rest of the sad sack of shit errybody is stuck using.
asciilifeform: set it up once, pour cement, leave it alone.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-08-31 04:22 hanbot: i've got znc running on UY1:50321, ftr.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform prolly publish your recipe.
asciilifeform: this sounds like a local port
asciilifeform: i.e. cannot connect from outside
asciilifeform: hanbot: this actually worked ?
hanbot: yes, am connected thusly atm.
mircea_popescu: i thought ports that high weren't forwarded.
asciilifeform: mod6: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_local_reserved_ports on uy box plox
mod6: Sure
mod6: 0x0a
asciilifeform: i.e. nil
mod6: yup
asciilifeform: apparently not set by default on recent linuxen
mircea_popescu: yeah but upstream ? impressivbe.
asciilifeform: i see no particular reason to care
mircea_popescu: me either. just, not what i remembered.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: traditionally >=32768 aha
mircea_popescu: right. i had no idea they even route.
asciilifeform: 0..65535 routs.
asciilifeform: linux traditionally had a cutoff where 'localhost only'
asciilifeform: above 32k.
asciilifeform: it's convention, is all, the high ports were reserved for the local ends of tcp pipes
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: seems like hanbot already posted working recipe.
asciilifeform just nao read
mircea_popescu: well yeah ; it doesn't include hwatever sbin setting you were discussing though. i guess leave as a comment.
mircea_popescu: << specifically : "if burried cold plate six inches deep among roots on moss side of tree and nailed warm plate six inches high on opposite side of tree, power output throughout a year at x lat y long looks like this : "
a111: Logged on 2018-08-31 04:50 mircea_popescu: "what ~exactly~ can be had from or in the woods behind my house / on the roof of my windowsil" etc entirely not wasted effort.
mircea_popescu: "day and nigth power output of solar panel throughout the year is here : ; observe the full moon on y and the blood moon on z" and so fucking on.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-16 18:18 asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform obtained and testing a LTC3108 , 'energy harvester', they've become cheapo
mircea_popescu: i expect ya
asciilifeform: ( there's several similar chips on the market, afaik that's the cheapest )
mircea_popescu: in field use ; for research, something that records voltages i guess
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: want to record not simply voltage, but just how many milliwatts/hrs available from the harvester ( in field practice you cannot do much of anything with e.g. peltier without harvester )
asciilifeform: how to do : it charges cap ( the demo unit i have here from china, has 4 1F 2.2v caps ) and runs a boost converter from these, as well as lighting up 'power good' pin when 3.3v (from the latter) is available. so you put a test load on the 3.3v out ( say , 1W 100 ohm resistor ) and record events when 'power good' signal changes.
asciilifeform: from this, can calculate practical energy availability.
asciilifeform: from this, in turn, can say, e.g., 'in the daytime, september, such-and-such latitude, can get J joules/sec , then after sundown, J', ... ' etc
asciilifeform: ltc3108 has an intake transformer . the demo board is sold in two variants, one where it has a low:high winding ( for peltiers, solar ) and one where high:low ( for piezos ). the latter is for noise/vibratory harvester -- e.g. tree branch in the wind.
asciilifeform: think of the harvester as an impedance matcher between the physical source of energy, and the consuming device.
mod6: meat,brb
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is actually a good approach yeah.
mircea_popescu: just record the light switching.
mircea_popescu: to get fancy can make something like ben_vulpes 's block follower, make it do hourly reports in a chan, review whenever
asciilifeform: wire it up to a (battery-powered) universal remote thing, with the rx end indoors , where you can log.
asciilifeform: from the intervals, can compute energy in.
mircea_popescu: and by reporting it "live" as it were, solve all the data integrity problems etc.
asciilifeform: ( don't put logger in the box per se, will miss good % of the flips, as e.g. sd card eats ridiculous current , which the harvester may or may not at a given time be able to supply )
asciilifeform: btw peltier, solar, piezo are not the only possib harvests. there is also inductive coupling from mains cabling ( street lights, etc , user yer imagination )
mircea_popescu: certainly this counts as qualification for lab physicist. many ways available to introduce systematic errors.
asciilifeform: for inductive coupler, 5-6 turns of insulated copper around $victim will suffice
asciilifeform: ( use the high:low variant )
asciilifeform: think back to the old-school noncontact ac voltmeter, same principle.
mircea_popescu: but yes, judging by how ubiquitous "computer mouse thrown over power lines" are in urban environment (when it's not sneakers, at any rate) might be very practical approach -- put the inductive coil in the mouse cable ; and the transmitter in the body.
asciilifeform: can get tens of watts, this way.
mircea_popescu: on a high power line, can get a lot yes.
asciilifeform: even on street light line. certainly enuff to run just about anything you might care to fit in the box.
asciilifeform: i'd avoid ^ these , cable with multi-kV insulation aint cheap
asciilifeform: and 'sapper errs once'
asciilifeform: ordinary city lamps will suffice.
mircea_popescu: i suspect those are .5MV
asciilifeform: for these, frying pan wound with magnet wire ~at ground level~, as tuned circuit, is actually enuff
mircea_popescu: that's what i was going to say, you don't have to get THAT close. if air is no longer dielectric you're too close.
mircea_popescu: energy abundantly available well before you get that close.
asciilifeform: just stand in the near field. ( recall the folx with unplugged fluorescent lamps )
mircea_popescu: can prolly even bury stuff along the lines. nobody will ever fucking find.
mircea_popescu: one inch of dirt's worth one mile of otp tape.
asciilifeform: in some places they guard'em, but usually not (picture the cost), typically proprietor figures that monkeying near hv lines is self-punishing
asciilifeform: the spread of copper bandits might change the equation tho.
mircea_popescu: it's not practical to "guard".
asciilifeform: ( i can picture a near future when hv line rights of way are mined, say )
mircea_popescu: if you had people that entreprising...
mircea_popescu: you don't. the cowsies just wanna.
asciilifeform: not mined by usg, lol. by copper hunters..
mircea_popescu: anyway, shall bbl!
asciilifeform: ( but no, at least over here we dun have 'enterprising'. we have repair crews that barely repair )
asciilifeform: laters.
BingoBoingo: And I just got jewed by a chicken
BingoBoingo: So I'm putting together my healthy 4 egg veggie scramble, and one of the eggs didn't have a yolk
asciilifeform: in other lulz, the 'bernstein as nsa stooge' concept slowly percolates from the republic,
mod6: jurov: how's it going with the move of the ML?
mod6: lol BingoBoingo
mod6: don't choke your chicken too hard
BingoBoingo: lol, I just can't believe this chicken I've never met cheated my out of the good stuff
mod6: !!sent-invoices
mod6: !!ledger
trinque: !!v E783E315B43F405D3C8C6F78BCA856C021A0451C4E44E4049C89A760640BEC6B
deedbot: trinque paid mod6 invoice 5
mod6: Thanks Sir!
trinque: quite welcome
trinque: hey mod6, when's the next auction?
mircea_popescu: trinque i think you have to do it ; reverse auction still not there.
mod6: trinque: yeah, not sure how that'd work. i'd like to see more price points. but if we can't receive dollars bought, then I dunno.
mod6: right now I'm working on buying some dollars and wires in place. but I don't have a price point yet.
mod6: as soon as I have one, I'll be sending out the invoices immediately.
mod6: We could do some sort of open outcry auction in here. Where Pizarro auctions off 1 BTC, and the winner send funds to specified destinations.
mircea_popescu: mod6 that part is what does not work, lobbesbot not yet capable of
a111: Logged on 2018-07-09 22:25 mircea_popescu: the correct solution is to distinguish selling and buying auctions. change the "A#285" lede into either "B#285" or "S#285" and then if it's a S have it work as it works now, but if it's a B have it work ~reverse~, so smaller bids overbid larger bids.
mircea_popescu: instead ~he~ gotta auction the fiatola.
mod6: right.
lobbes: << muchas gracias. I can confirm I can ssh in; www is back up
a111: Logged on 2018-08-31 15:55 BingoBoingo: lobbes: Looks from here like you are good to go
lobbes: however I ended up purging the znc user and all traces from the thing. Coming live now from irssi from pizarro shared hosting (used danielpbarron's spiffy guide >>
lobbes: and now I can get ass back in year on auctionbot
lobbes: *gear
mod6: i'm just saying, doing it 'botless'. like I say, "this auction is open for 72 hours, closes on X date at X time. Selling 1 BTC for USD. Winner of auction sends whatever wires seller specifies."
mod6: people just bid by saying what their bid is in #trilema.
mircea_popescu: you really got it in for maximizing administration etc, huh ?
mod6: lol. I'd rather not do it that way. I'd love to use the bot, but sometimes gotta do things by hand when we don't have the tools.
mod6: I guess, either that, or we just wait until lobbes is ready.
mircea_popescu: yes, and that's fine, however a "by hand" approximation of bot function is nutty. doing flight "by hand" means flapping wings like birds, not trying to fart hot gasses like jet engine. sewing by hand means, with needle, not trying to do sewing machine. and dealing by hand dun mean "let's make noises like an auction bot by moving fingers on kbd", just talk to whoever set it up without the formalism.
mircea_popescu: alternatively, he can just auction whatever chunk of fiatola he wants to dispense with.
mod6: ah, i see, so for instance trinque could say, "selling 4000 USD for ECU", exactly like yourself with the last one
mod6: that'd be fine as long as usd can be wired.
mod6: yup, totally.
trinque: what was the problem y'all had with receiving?
a111: Logged on 2018-08-23 21:45 mircea_popescu: mod6 i'm sorry, but ima have to refund you. whole exercise turned into a massive pile of idiocy. im closing an entire bank out of the loop over their idiotic misbehaviour ; we'll have to try this again later on.
mircea_popescu: dollar to doughnuts, uppity female that's not being beaten enough at home ended up spuriously involved in the process.
mircea_popescu: problem is, there's SO DAMNED MANY of them these days, structural measures gotta be taken.
deedbot: << Qntra - Qntra (S.QNTR) August 2018 Report
mircea_popescu: we should not have permitted the whole house to be termited up, but then again, we did. in the sense dumbass dad did, anyway.
trinque: ah got it. bank shenanigans never end.
trinque: iirc BingoBoingo received my WF, if that's still acceptable
mod6: aha skulduggery
trinque: *WU rather
mod6: we should ask him, I'm under the impression that doing stable wires to his bank actually shows "stability" and helps with his residency or whatever.
mod6: the DC needs a wire direct tho.
mircea_popescu: very similar to, "what was the fucking problerm with namecheap ?" " aka, uppity" "and with fetlife ?!" " aka THE FUCKINBG SAME!!" "and with everything else ?" "you guessed it... start beating the sheherd."
a111: Logged on 2018-03-08 00:21 mircea_popescu: this entire exercise in idiocy has, practically speaking, resulted in me paying various hard working ticos a grand or so, to the people fucking in the ass the "security" paradigm of pantsuit.fetlife. IN LIEU of having paid that much, and rather more, to the fetlife itself.
mod6: BingoBoingo: do you have a preference re wire or WU (see above)
mircea_popescu: trinque it'd prolly be a good idea to get wires going as a "freedom of navigation" exercise.
mircea_popescu is certainly working on that, this inept bs can not stand.
mircea_popescu: typically female interests & preoccupations, "security" "redesign" etcetera NOT FUCKING SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE.
BingoBoingo: <mod6> BingoBoingo: do you have a preference re wire or WU (see above) << Either works
mod6: mircea_popescu does have a point re 'freedom of navigation' tho. but ya, if it doesn't matter to BingoBoingo, I'm game.
mod6: !Qcalc 2500/7000
lobbesbot: mod6: 0.357142857143
mod6: BingoBoingo: good with that for the remainder of the Wildcat Bonus ^
BingoBoingo: mod6: Looks good
mod6: Ok great, thanks BingoBoingo
mod6: !!pay BingoBoingo 0.35714285
mod6: !!v 110744A1BF3E2324C5AC28B3108804B9B53138C82DDC4608C856B92A1FBF67F6
deedbot: mod6 paid BingoBoingo 0.35714285
mod6: !!ledger
mod6: yw!
mod6: The BTC-Dev Mailing List is still down...
mod6: Lords and Ladies of The Most Serene Republic, I have placed the signed STATE OF BITCOIN ADDRESS on my site, if you wish to read:
asciilifeform: << the truly astonishing twist, is that asciilifeform not once yet had problem with swift tx.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-01 00:22 mircea_popescu: dollar to doughnuts, uppity female that's not being beaten enough at home ended up spuriously involved in the process.
asciilifeform: ( tho i expect that if i ever do, it will more than pay back for the lack of any to date, and take the form of cork-lined cellar )
mircea_popescu: mod6 could it be maybe time to repatriate mailing list into mpwp format ? i mean, is there any advantage to sticking to email process ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: link preservation
mircea_popescu: can always declare arbitrary links for mpwp redirection.
asciilifeform: theoretically yes
asciilifeform: how would submit work in a mpwp ?
asciilifeform: ye olde ml, took anyffing from l1, automagically, with jurov's clever script
mircea_popescu: for one thing, mpwp admits post-by-email, which'd be 100% replication of that state of the art, w/o any clever scripts
mircea_popescu: otherwise, can have comments, can have users made for anyone,
mircea_popescu: it's flexible.
asciilifeform: tests pgp detached sigs, attachments, all exists in mpwp already ?
mircea_popescu: nah, sig test would have to be added.
asciilifeform: i confess that i actually am fond of the ancient ml format. no stylesheets, no buttons, just 80col text.
asciilifeform: ( if posting via email worked, would be heaven.. )
mircea_popescu: but it means keeping email in republican process. this is something you actually want ?
asciilifeform: nah email dead
asciilifeform: hence 'if only'
asciilifeform: ( recall, i was never able to use the email knob on jurov's box reliably at all, but instead use www intake hopper )
mircea_popescu: well, is it worth our while to maintain two publishing mechanisms ?
asciilifeform: depends on how much maintenance it takes, neh
mircea_popescu: which is why i never mentioned b4.
asciilifeform: if it worx for aeons without opening hood -- worth
mircea_popescu: nobody really opens hoods of working machinery.
asciilifeform: seems like jurov had sad isp, naught to do with mltron per se
asciilifeform: ( if i'm mistaken , jurov , plox to correct )
mircea_popescu: how's ml verifier work, gpg shell callout ?
asciilifeform: pretty sure nobody has any other gpg eater than callout to koch
mircea_popescu: hanbot feel like implementing a sig verifier in php ? :D
asciilifeform: ( phuctor is only exception i know of , but not general purpose )
mircea_popescu: does it python ?
asciilifeform: jurov's ? no idea, let's ask him
mircea_popescu: phuctor's.
asciilifeform: aa it - yes, old rfc2440 eater in py
asciilifeform: whole reason i ended up baking the www end in py
mircea_popescu: apparently php also has prewritten something.
asciilifeform: loox like callout to gpg
mircea_popescu: well, "pecl" w/e that is
asciilifeform: unsurprisingly
mircea_popescu: pecl = "php extensions", basically looks like some sort of fancy callout system. and yes, here to gpgme
mircea_popescu: though honestly, none of that's needed to check a sig.
asciilifeform: i dun know of a rcf2440 eater & rsatron in php, tho certainly could be made
asciilifeform: ( rather 'malbolge' exercise tho imho )
asciilifeform: cuz php, lol
mircea_popescu: yeah, i'm not sure why i'd want automated sig verification in this context.
asciilifeform: well, it dispenses with the pretense of 'www login state' which imho is a win.
asciilifeform: i stole whole idea, when pushing jurov to do it, from mpex, lol
hanbot: mircea_popescu i'd be happy to try, though i doubt i could deliver in the rightnao sorta timeframe lack of ml suggests.
mircea_popescu is thinking about it, could have muchly simplified mpwp, whereby if i sign it it's an article, if you sign it it's a comment, you can even have a golden border
mircea_popescu: if no one signs it it's an anon comment... goes to modqueue...
asciilifeform: aha, that'd rock
mircea_popescu: take email out ALTOGETHER.
asciilifeform: i tried to write one of these
mircea_popescu: the problem is though... things like pics. wtf i'd do about those ?
asciilifeform: uuencod!111
mircea_popescu: and it guesses format ?
asciilifeform: png or gohome..
mircea_popescu: i use jpg all the time, for excellent reasons.
mircea_popescu: trilema would have to waste >10GB of disk if i switched to png
asciilifeform: then jpg or gohome
asciilifeform: but pick 1 and live with it, why not
mircea_popescu: yes but i use png SOMETIMES (neat coplors, like screen captures, jpg fucks up)
mircea_popescu: it is an open problem for me ;/
asciilifeform: they have header, so why is this even megaproblem
mircea_popescu: im not sure it's megaproblem yet.
asciilifeform: parse header and pass to correct eater.
mircea_popescu: i'm also not sure if i want to make you use signer every time you leave a ocmment.
asciilifeform: this is where i left it
mircea_popescu: the "secret string" of email seems sufficient./
asciilifeform: i like the idea of eternal 0effort spam genocide tho.
mircea_popescu: mpwp dun have much problem with spam anyways.
mircea_popescu: the "no web login" was interesting, but hm.
asciilifeform: it only has no prob because current crop of spammers dumb as rock.
mircea_popescu: i doubt it.
asciilifeform: large pool of bots could still fill mod queue with megatonne of liquishit.
mircea_popescu: nope. experimentally verified, over decade+ of functioning, during which more "large pool of bots" than anyone's lived springs.
asciilifeform: having not yet read mpwp, i cannot say further
mircea_popescu: hanbot how many items did you have to call spam/ham since running it ?
mircea_popescu: looks like i clicked "spam" 11 times this month.
hanbot: ~500. ~2 yrs.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile current count is 126582 ; last month ended at 125355. so it accepted 154, auto-tagged 62, asked about 11 and rejected...
mircea_popescu: well... at LEAST 62k, there's some classes of rejects i can't count.
mircea_popescu: ah, figures further mucked up by a manually deleted mocky comment, i recall.
mircea_popescu: nothing's ever exact ;/
mod6: <+asciilifeform> i confess that i actually am fond of the ancient ml format. no stylesheets, no buttons, just 80col text. << i've grown pretty fond of it too.
mod6: we'll have to see what jurov says, but yeah, I think it's an isp related issue.
mod6: mircea_popescu's idea of a very stripped down wpmp might be pretty interesting with "signed aritcle" or "signed comment".
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mircea_popescu: anyone feel like going to qatar btw ?
asciilifeform: i wouldn't refuse iran
asciilifeform: ( genuine, imho, if dimwitted, enemy of the reich )
mircea_popescu: sooo... go ?
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