lobbes: fig. 1: the mtv of today gave the d00d depicted in this ballas piece his own tv show >> https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/10/catfish.html << http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-12#1812646
a111: Logged on 2018-05-12 02:00 mircea_popescu: turn a tv on if you can find one, and tune it to mtv, which still exist. compare/contrast to 1988 mtv, it'll illustrate the matter perfectly.
lobbes: in other lulz: observe one hanno boeck in his natural habitat, one day before being called up for muppet duty, still doing... nothing >> http://archive.is/c8epK
mircea_popescu: lobbes, holy shit he's fucking retarded, gimp has had scheme built in since 2005.
mircea_popescu: a better example of what exactly it means to be a monkey, with these inane expectations of wysiwyg-ism and gui-ism and rtfm-is-racist and nobody-will-ever-expect-you-to-think-if-they-truly-love-you and on AND ON...
mod6 finally sits down to eat log
mircea_popescu: since we're discussing "retards are retarded", here's a fine example : https://archive.is/RbD9o ; it consists of a) let's leak through the inept choice of "pad by the value of padding, so if you need 5 bytes of padding pad with 5 bytes each = 5" (and then pretend this is not to be reviewed "because popular" and also do every other elbow trick in the book to stick it past) followed unneringly by... b) construct elaborate ritua
mircea_popescu: ls to discuss the matter, including spurious naming conventions and all the rest of the monkey dance, EXCEPT in terms of "leaking padding schemes are retarded, DO NOT DO THAT."
mircea_popescu: that's your "experts" zx2c4, from matthew retardenfield all the way down the mongoloid chain.
mircea_popescu: and this is also why ~nobody of any consequence reads any of them. i'd rather read engelbert humperdinck's introduction to greek philosophy. at least he sings, which, unrelated as it may be, IS WAY THE FUCK MORE THAN ANY OF THESE IDLE FUCKTARDS EVER DID. or will ever do.
mircea_popescu: !!up fromdeedbot
deedbot: fromdeedbot voiced for 30 minutes.
fromdeedbot: I want to learn to code/program. I am looking for sound advice on what to learn first. php? oop? python? I have looked all over the web and it seems everyone has a different opinion. any advice would be appredciated
mircea_popescu: either lisp or ada.
mircea_popescu: of course, the more cogent question is, ~why~ do you want to learn to code/program
fromdeedbot: i would like to start as low level as i can without overdoing it
fromdeedbot: because I have been into computers for a long time and I feel like I could contribute productive elements to the community if i knew how to exoress my ideas in the right languge
fromdeedbot: It interests me more and more every day… but it is overwhelming where to begin and I dont want to start bad habits
mircea_popescu: well, this overanxious approach is a bad habit all of itself.
fromdeedbot: my apologies
mircea_popescu: hey, i don't mind. but understand that avoiding bad habits is a lifelong uncompletable task, there's no magic pill that'll keep you safe from such. certainly contemplation from outside isn't much of one.
mircea_popescu: anything speciffic you're trying to express ?
fromdeedbot: hah, that’s good advice. noted…. As far as what to express specifically, I’m not sure exactly yet, but this has always interested me and I have waited long enpough
fromdeedbot: buliding smart contrct’ish programs would be a short term goal
mircea_popescu: how old are you then ?
fromdeedbot: I have been blown away by blockchains use of public private key
fromdeedbot: and how escrows, and othjer such related things could be revolutionized
fromdeedbot: its a new way to set in stone, amongst many oother imagined, and not imagined yet things
mircea_popescu: i guess you'll have to do a bunch of log reading.
fromdeedbot: I been lol
fromdeedbot: and I figured i’d break my silence here
mircea_popescu: might as well pick a better nick.
fromdeedbot: ha! I kinda like it low key, but I’m not “from deedbot” in the way people might think… this is the only channel that I use tghis Nick
fromdeedbot: so you know it’s me, if that matters
mircea_popescu: so when you say you've been reading logs, what do you mean ?
fromdeedbot: So reg a new key with the new nick
mircea_popescu: yes, that's how "we know it's you".
fromdeedbot: well google landed me on your logs when I was researching the whole wiki leeks thing and how it related to bitcoin
fromdeedbot: blockchain more specifically
fromdeedbot: and the deedbot got crossed up in my googling
mircea_popescu: it's more of a half year sort of thing, reading logs.
fromdeedbot: I have to admit I have not read them in full, and if that is a pre req, I will.
fromdeedbot: 1I have read a fair bit from here, and a lot of gitter.im logs from web3 and go-ethereum
mircea_popescu: not so much as a prerequisite as a filter. reading helps you figure out if it's for you.
fromdeedbot: that is exactly I why I read them… you guys have came up with a really cool thing
mircea_popescu: https://gitter.im/ << gotta archive this lulzgem. "Where communities thrive Gitter is a chat and networking platform that helps to manage, grow and connect communities through messaging, content and discovery."
mircea_popescu: reminds me of this chick on fetlife, "So you don't want to have a smart discuss, you're here for what ? What do you research here ? Because I'm agree with your description."
mircea_popescu: !!up fromdeedbot
deedbot: fromdeedbot voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: fromdeedbot, which thing is that ?
fromdeedbot: Requirment of a pgp key to become a part of a new web built on trust and accountability
mircea_popescu: ah. yes.
fromdeedbot: so that peoples online identity has a “fingerprint"
fromdeedbot: and your reputation means something and can be quantified
fromdeedbot: and compared to who backs you up… and who they are, and how old is their nick
fromdeedbot: and are they solid
fromdeedbot: it’s cool
mircea_popescu: so i take it you read http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ ?
fromdeedbot: I thinlk that this type of system could change the way we define “percieved value” and even credit
fromdeedbot: like to get a loan or a lease on a place to live
mircea_popescu: what do you mean "could" ?
fromdeedbot: explain please
mircea_popescu: it long ago has ; the republic built its uruguay datacenter out of what, you expect ? wot.
fromdeedbot: I mean globally
mircea_popescu: what's that mean ?
fromdeedbot: or am i that late
fromdeedbot: lol.. I have looked a lot into estomia e-citizen program as well
mircea_popescu: if by globally you mean "we throw darts at a earth globe", then yes, you're that late. if by globally you mean "every last idiot on two legs" you're way the fuck early, in the sense that such miracle's never gonna happen.
fromdeedbot: it’s roughly along the same lines, but not the samee
fromdeedbot: I am of the belief that things will move this direction naturally
mircea_popescu: not really. most people are neither useful nor interesting.
fromdeedbot: if a new internet is built and a pgp key is mandatory, and everyone is on the new internet..
fromdeedbot: if www addresses have tumbleweeds rolling by because most businesses have moved to a new more secure web
mircea_popescu: everyone gets a tit string ; not everyone gets to be in the wot.
fromdeedbot: I saw that but was distracted while reading
fromdeedbot: what was the purpose of that demonstration?
mircea_popescu: exactly as stated : that some of the usable bipedal mammals will get a serial id ; the unusable will get nothing. there's no birthright to the lordship.
fromdeedbot: What do you guys have against Ethereum (if anything, maybe i am not rembering the logs correctly)
fromdeedbot: It seems like a really good concept
mircea_popescu: it starts with http://trilema.com/2013/digging-through-archives-yields-gold/#selection-109.0-109.416
mircea_popescu: why did you think the usg bitcoin-ersatz is a good thing ?
fromdeedbot: sorry my cat got out… brb
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in random lulz, "Copy right laws are in tact and if you violate those rules then you will be prosecuted."
BingoBoingo: <fromdeedbot> I mean globally << What part of moving from Southern Illinois to Uruguay on WoT fuel isn't global? Gotta circumnavigate or something?
BingoBoingo: !!up mother[m]
deedbot: mother[m] voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: mother[m]: Comó andas?
mod6: mornin'! logs finally eaten :]
ben_vulpes: i crunched some numbers, and i think it's going to cost around 3 btc to put the production rockchip plant together and get it down south, all based on 4 2U's with 24 rockchippen each, transpo of ~2.5kusd and per-chassis fab costs of ~800usd. i think with the outrageous success of the rockchip pilot plant pizarro's in a *great* spot to refinance per mircea_popescu's suggestion, to provide for the production
ben_vulpes: safe-online-rsabox production plant buildout and consolidate the physical beachhead in .uy. so mod6 asciilifeform is the board inclined to raise more capital to build this out and attend to morale in sudamerica?
mircea_popescu: !!up gunnarson
deedbot: gunnarson voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, 3 btc is like 30k, 4 * 8 + 2.5 is like 5k, did we misplace an order of magnitude somewhere ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, if you end up in hong kong next, it'll be 2/3 done!
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: no, there are also the rockchips themselves. full breakdown http://cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/rockchip.lisp
mircea_popescu: !!up candi_lustt
deedbot: candi_lustt voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: i guess this'll take some more tinkering.
ben_vulpes: hm yeah how did i have this thing eat random text
mircea_popescu: anyway, be the details as they may : the original http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1809921 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1809793 discussion was looking at a trip 3x the size ; downsizing it (which seems unavoidably necessary for OP considerations) has the tucked in advantage that you don't specifically need to refinance, if you don't want to. so prolly should discuss in board what discounts do you expect to see pre and
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 03:06 mircea_popescu: besides, you can afford it, shockingly enough. 300 x 100 is what, 3.x btc. not the end of the world. if he actually gets it through the blocade you have an item arguably worth twice that.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 00:25 mircea_popescu: if i were you folk i would very seriously be looking at geting refinanced, taking ~300 rockchips there and filling a dozen us with them.
mircea_popescu: post successful delivery.
mircea_popescu: but the good news is that lobbesbot permits you to do a bond auction a la carte.
ben_vulpes: it is pretty neat like that!
mircea_popescu: !#s opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=44356
a111: 2 results for "opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=44356", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=opennet.ru%2Fopennews%2Fart.shtml%3Fnum%3D44356
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-02#1461007 << you know, i wouldn't even call it lulz. "Система проверяет применение для начальных коэффициентов составных чисел и выявляет использование в разных ключах одинаковых цикличных коэффициентов (модуль), что может указывать на во
a111: Logged on 2016-05-02 12:43 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu https://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=44356 << moar lulz
mircea_popescu: зможное наличие дубликатов закрытого ключа. ", they produced that on their own power ? that's like... 1000% more than what the esl world managed.
mircea_popescu: anyway, https://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=48531 item not even terrible. this Максиму Чиркову guy really should be here. https://www.opennet.ru/contact.shtml
a111: Logged on 2018-05-12 16:49 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, if you end up in hong kong next, it'll be 2/3 done!
mircea_popescu: ulaan baator.
BingoBoingo: Now there's an option
mod6: I'm having a reaaaaaly hard time installing gentoo with a gcc4 now.
mod6: Whatever docs TMSR~ has to install a gentoo are out of date. New ones are required.
trinque: ben_vulpes: I'm awaiting the new V before I re-release that. I'll update the article if you like.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-14#1787780 << might even be *more* package breakage now than when diana_coman tried.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-14 03:13 trinque: diana_coman: regarding your cuntoo build problem, net-tools upstream has apparently broken build on default gcc-4.9.4. If I pass -std=gnu99, the definer of IFNAMSIZ is included and the thing builds.
mod6: I'm trying to build up two machines so I can do some trb testing with rawtx, et. al. Kinda hung until I can get an OS installed.
trinque: I'd rather get a v-tree of our own portage going than continue to flail at the empire's ceaseless breakage.
trinque: mod6's experience will repeat until we own the portage tree
trinque: esthlos: how goes it?
mod6: yeah, our own thing is 100% required at this point.
trinque: mod6: it's very much in the works.
trinque: if you were to build a gentoo using their standard instructions, nothing in that would block you from replacing with a cuntoo userland later.
mod6: Once opon a time, the docs we put together for trb users to build a gentoo worked. Much better, and much more clear than the gentoo garbage docs.
trinque: sure. and next time you blink they'll require clang
mod6: We need exactly that, but something that yields an actual working box. I was unaware that since apparently last year, the wreckers junked us.
mod6: Yeah, so our own OS, even if we don't know what we're quite doing yet, is more worthwhile than what gentoo has to offer.
trinque: mmmhm. they specifically called out gcc-4.x as excluded from glorious future.
trinque: obviously there are other problems. if you want musl, you need ebuilds with musl patches. as it stands on stock gentoo, this means using "layman" which for the musl overlay, eats directly from shithub
trinque: you know, the one with the chewy ssh keys.
mod6: alright, im gonna see if I can get ben_vulpes' downgrade dance to do the trick.
mod6: if so, will keep track of the steps for a possible new doc.
asciilifeform: mod6: your hosed gentoo : what year stage4 didja use ?
asciilifeform: if it was q3 or 4 of 2016, or later -- ~impossible to restore sane gcc
ben_vulpes: this is factually incorrect, i have removed gcc6 and 5 from gentoos built with modern stage3.
ben_vulpes: granted the 5 is built with a ken thompson'd 6, and the 4 built with a thompson'd 5.
asciilifeform: from q2 2016 or prior, no need to remove
asciilifeform: mod6 is still ultimately right, gotta confiscate portage from the shitgnomes
asciilifeform: my point was, rockchip gentoo was made with 0 gcc reversion gymnastics, all i needed was a vintage stage4 tarball , and my blacklist
ben_vulpes: girthy spittoon, i still don't understand how the overlays of trinque's musl overlay work properly; not even really which knobs to pull
asciilifeform: now ~these~ i have not yet touched.
mod6: Well, I've gotten stuck 2 different times. The first way was with a stage3 from yesterday, which, the install worked, but left me with GCC-6.4.0.
mod6: The second way, I just tried was with a stage3 from 2015: stage3-amd64-nomultilib-20150716.tar.bz2
mod6: (all the details are in #pizarro)
mod6: I thought the second way would work, and in fact `gcc-config -l` does report : x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-4.8.4 ; however, it seems like none of the ebuilds would work with a stage3 that old.
mod6: not even seems like, did report errors. see #pizarro.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-12#1812820 << no that was some guy being not nice, it never happened.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-12 21:59 trinque: you know, the one with the chewy ssh keys.
mircea_popescu: !!up GUNNARSON_
deedbot: GUNNARSON_ voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: http://www.wweek.com/news/2018/04/18/oregon-grew-more-cannabis-than-customers-can-smoke-now-shops-and-farmers-are-left-with-mountains-of-unwanted-bud/ << har har har
ben_vulpes: starbucksification is coming for your precious vacation-from-reality businesses, dildos