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ckang: !!up shivalry
deedbot: shivalry voiced for 30 minutes.
shivalry: Hi here for boobs
shivalry: mircea_popescu: ^
deedbot: << Trilema - Take a Pacific piss like a boss.
mircea_popescu: aite, 5a16fb77 shinohai
mircea_popescu: i mean shivalry
shivalry: Ty 1 min
mircea_popescu: eh what is all this bs with taking > half an hour to produce a pic.
mircea_popescu: ima start making them redo if they manage to get devoiced.
douchebag: because women are idiots
mircea_popescu: !!up tittybang
deedbot: tittybang voiced for 30 minutes.
douchebag: i tell them to hurry the fuck up
douchebag: and then they take for fuckever every
mircea_popescu: !!pay shivalry 0.02
trinque: technically that one has 3 tits. what a steal.
mircea_popescu: shivalry where'd you get the eyes so big!
mircea_popescu: !!up shivalry
deedbot: shivalry voiced for 30 minutes.
shivalry: Are they really that big? like bugs?
mircea_popescu: in the greek tradition, they're outright oxen sized!
mircea_popescu: (i kid you not, ox-eyed was a compliment 3k years ago)
shivalry: In Asia they have surgery for big eyes I believe
mircea_popescu: i believe.
mircea_popescu: so what do you do, other than having big eyes ?
shivalry: Waitress
shivalry: Hard sometimes but tips well.
shivalry: You?
mircea_popescu: i mostly tell people what not to do.
shivalry: 😛
shivalry: Any suggestions?
mircea_popescu: well, i don't know you well enough.
shivalry: Do you live a Christian lifestyle?
mircea_popescu: nopr. do you ?
shivalry: Nope. Sin is too much fun
mircea_popescu: so what do you do for sin ?
shivalry: Sex, lust, chemicals
mircea_popescu: anything published ?
shivalry: I've only done this for BFs so unless they put them somewhere, not to my knowledge.
shivalry: Do you alter your mind ever?
mircea_popescu: well, i change my mind on occasion, but alter it ? not really.
shivalry: LSD?
mircea_popescu: not this decade.
shivalry: 😄 so before
mircea_popescu: why, is it important ?
shivalry: Nope, I just like to see how people look at such things
mircea_popescu: i'm kinda happy with my mind as it is, myself.
shivalry: Abstinence vs moderation
mircea_popescu: more a case of disinterest.
shivalry: I believe the mind can be made malleable again under the right circumstances.
mircea_popescu: malleable in what sense ? as in childhood malleable ?
shivalry: Learning, understanding abstracts
shivalry: We shell ourselves off with age and our thoughts become cemented.
mircea_popescu: leaving aside the very obvious "why on earth would you want something like that", it's a matter of certainty that no such wonder is chemically achievable.
shivalry: What about psychotherapy ? MDMA in a clinical environment for PTSD
mircea_popescu: consider a simple and more obvious case : taking a specialized cell and convincing it to revert to stem situation.
mircea_popescu: this is not possible, very strictly, because specialization happens in a single enthalpic direction : through information loss. no specialized cell will ever be a stem cell again, exactly in the way no broken glass will become the glass it was again.
mircea_popescu: now, you CAN induce chemically something very much like stem situation.
mircea_popescu: this is known as cancer.
shivalry: I suppose the retardation is more difficult, similar to something thats been oxidized.
mircea_popescu: and yes, you have carcinogenic substances, which make specialized cells "malleable". it's never superpowers, though.
mircea_popescu: it's always a sad miserable death.
shivalry: Ive seen this work out poorly though, yes
mircea_popescu: there's no good reason to suspect the above model is not exactly the case with neurons and neotenification. moreover, there's EXCELLENT reason to suspect the interest is quite psychogenic.
shivalry: It shouldn't be used as the sole means but rather a tool is where people get it misunderstood.
mircea_popescu: so the good talk therapist would point out to the person interested in this particular magic pill exactly what he'd say to the "i want ai because i don't have a gf" nut : "have you tried the NATURALLY OCCURING solutions first ?"
mircea_popescu: rather than trying to revert to an imagined childhood to resolve whatever frustation/block, how about just being an adult.
shivalry: Sometimes ego death has benefits though.
mircea_popescu: in any case, without exception known or possible, the adult that hallucinates childhood as a preferrable state has ~other~ issues.
mircea_popescu: shivalry almost every time, which is why slavegirls.
mircea_popescu: but this is principally a measure of how broken the society they come from actually is.
shivalry: Slavegirls, can you explain how that works?
shivalry: You actually buy them outright?
mircea_popescu: what buy. they volunteer.
shivalry: What does that situation look like, dynamics wise?
mircea_popescu: !!up shivalry
deedbot: shivalry voiced for 30 minutes.
shivalry: I would like some slave boys 😍
mircea_popescu: why lol.
mircea_popescu: !!rate shivalry 1 waitress
shivalry: Idk, the idea of someones life revolving around appeasing me. Seems powerful feeling.
mircea_popescu: i guess. seems like a shitty reason though.
shivalry: I suppose it goes both ways though too...
shivalry: I am just unsure how such a situation works in practice.
shivalry: You need a documentary. Ideas are received better through media sometimes.
mircea_popescu: i guess.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check this out man, it's made! retropistol!
shivalry: mircea_popescu: My friend want to do too, can they use this account?
mircea_popescu: notrly, but she could make her own neh ?
shivalry: Yea I have ckang help then. Ty
ckang: !!up lilly_
deedbot: lilly_ voiced for 30 minutes.
lilly_: Hi, ready to go
lilly_: mircea_popescu: Hello
mircea_popescu: hey there.
mircea_popescu: !!key lilly_
lilly_: :)
mircea_popescu: 905362b1
lilly_: Thanks
mircea_popescu: shivalry say !!up to deedbot, it'll voice you.
mircea_popescu: !!up lilly_
deedbot: lilly_ voiced for 30 minutes.
lilly_: Sorry had a phonecall, same # mircea_popescu ?
lilly_: Or still want?
lilly_: I do this one then brb
mircea_popescu: nah it's ok lilly_ , you'll be famous for the hundred dollar phonecall. neeeext.
ckang: !!up danna33
deedbot: danna33 voiced for 30 minutes.
danna33: mircea_popescu: Ready
deedbot: << The Tar Pit - What is an operating system?
asciilifeform: !!up ascii_lander
deedbot: ascii_lander voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: 9AC2C92DC81DF86C575819F93F37D38EAF9EDE6C registered as ascii_lander.
asciilifeform: !!rate ascii_lander 1 asciilifeform's lander module, 4.14 -- 4.19
asciilifeform: !!v 182DA324B828FAFD816A51AA834435D93C12B0D9F974B7346F8B84D8992497B4
deedbot: asciilifeform rated ascii_lander 1 << asciilifeform's lander module, 4.14 -- 4.19
BingoBoingo: So there is a very small fraction of the people normally at the CoWork on Fridays here. I can't tell if it is because it is Friday the 13th or if it is the Mumps outbreak.
deedbot: << Qntra - Russia Preparing Economic Sanctions Against US Industry
diana_coman: <-- experimental indecent (no ssd, no sata3) node has kept reliably at top for > 2 months after installing asciilifeform's aggressive pushget blocks patch; conclusion so far: can be indecent IF only aggressive too!
a111: Logged on 2017-08-04 22:56 asciilifeform: and this is true of pretty much any box that makes decent trb node (i.e. has sata3 + ssd )
mod6: thanks for the update diana_coman. i've been running with that patch too -- I've had some falling behind I believe not related to his vpatch, and instead related to ssd disk flakyness (as detailed in last month's SoBA).
mod6: I did a core dump, and the call stack seems to indicate when I'm "stuck", it's stuck in an lseek() call.
mod6: That's all I've got. Here's a link to that if curious:
BingoBoingo: Generally since aggression nodes began the trb ecosystem has been much more sync'd from my perch.
mod6: The disassembly linked in there is gone now, reposted here:
diana_coman: mod6, fwiw I'm again locked out of trilema-mod6 ("channel is invite only")
mod6: oh my bad
mod6: there ya go
diana_coman: yay, thanks!
deedbot: << Qntra - Ingsoc Today: British Baker Under Assault For Eschewing Metric System
diana_coman: mod6, I had a look at that dump but sadly I can't say I get what's going on exactly atm
mod6: ok np
mod6: thanks for taking a peek at the disasm
mod6: i do have core files available if you request them. will pgp-gram them to you, rather large tho.
danielpbarron: << heh, a response to "i tell people what not to do" -- shivalry, did you know the Bible tells us to encourage your indulgences for so long as God hasn't forced you to believe in Him?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 04:40 shivalry: Do you live a Christian lifestyle?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 07:34 danna33: mircea_popescu: Ready
mircea_popescu: !!up danna33
deedbot: danna33 voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron amusingly enough, the argument can well be brought that the seeking lost are closer than the content.
danielpbarron: !~bible pro 31:6
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Proverbs 31:6 :: Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, yes i was just discussing that yesterday. the lost man who thinks his life sucks verses the lost man who thinks his life is great : the former is at least one step closer to the truth of the matter
mircea_popescu: by the time some waitress somewhere's willing to try just about any chemsludge in the hope she might extract herself from the imposition of the world as she perceives it, you'd be at serious pains to show her much of a sinner.
mircea_popescu: but of course, the methodist heresy is strong in our colonies, they imagine sin is the form of sin to avoid looking at the substance of anything.
danielpbarron: !~bible rom 3:23
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Romans 3:23 :: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
danielpbarron: not so painful there
mircea_popescu: well yes in that sense.
mircea_popescu: but i said ~much~ of a sinner.
danielpbarron: drunkards wills not inherit the kingdom of God; a lost man is not saved by drinking a lot -- the strong drink offer is twofold: if you are going to perish (burn in hell), you might as well enjoy life now ; and, maybe in your drunkeness you will see the folly of your lifestyle, and turn to God
mircea_popescu: the brief discussion supports the interpretation, her justification ultimately was "maybe i find something".
mircea_popescu: !!up shivalry
deedbot: shivalry voiced for 30 minutes.
danielpbarron: but the lost man is not saved by his abstinence either
mircea_popescu: wb diana_coman !
danielpbarron: and in living what he imagines to be a righteous lifestyle, is perhaps less likely to turn to the truth
diana_coman: thanks mircea_popescu !
mircea_popescu: how was teh wilderness ?
diana_coman: the one in the woods quite as usual if changed for the usual erosion that has been going on in that area ever since I know it; the town-wilderness was somehow sad beyond description
mircea_popescu: in other news, << check out the "game" this artist chick came up with. it's something else.
diana_coman: for all the supposed Easter and all the supposed town, it felt for the first time like the villages in Baragan; possibly part of the explanation it's also the first time I saw queues (as in actual queues, more than 20 people) at the ..."currency exchange and pawn shop" places
mircea_popescu: "why bother do anything anymore" right. nuts.
diana_coman: ugh, barfs that I don't have flash I suppose
mircea_popescu: why'd someone package a "click through my art" in flash is anyone's guess. wtf the parasitosis!
diana_coman: yes, a very palpable sense of "why bother do anything anymore" / "no hope, no tomorrow, no nothing" sort of thing
diana_coman: ah, that part I see; I tried to click on Start...
mircea_popescu: ah, yeah. anyway, it's pretty much a game of puzzle based on that chick's art.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in spykedisms, 'I further propose that current definitions of the term operating system are ill-conceived, and that the problem of how to properly design a general-purpose operating system is in principle unresolvable, first and foremost because there is no such thing as a "general-purpose operating system"'
diana_coman: ah, ah, I think I know the sort; some inept "story line" in short bits and otherwise still gotta do the clicking for this or for that, either "farm" or "puzzle" or whatevers same thing underneath
douchebag: !!up tittybang
deedbot: tittybang voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: it has a decent atmosphere of psychotic terror, but otherwise yes, some evil dood is sucking the life out of chained children to prolong his own.
mircea_popescu: because totally children have like intrinsic value and we give a shit and whatnot.
douchebag: hey I was away when she didn't know how to get revoiced
tittybang: hi hehe
tittybang: what was the code again?
mircea_popescu: tittybang 4b656366 << it's good for about half a n hour, don't dilly-dally.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, hm, the blood they have what; life = vitality there
diana_coman: or at least that was the old idea as far as I know it
mircea_popescu: spyked how about THIS definition for the operating system : "that set of code that is trusted implicitly". this then makes EVERYTHING on a windows machine operating system, which i contend is right and proper -- the necessary result of opaque monolith systems design is universalization of the os.
mircea_popescu: now then, a "general purpose operating system" is "that set of code which is trusted implicitly", "as long as it makes no particular assumptions about the rest of the code that will run on the machine".
mircea_popescu: the moment we bake in the assumption that "this is a bitcoin node", suddenly the os is no longer gp ; we'll want a special fs in there etc.
shinohai: greets #trilema
shinohai: <<< only browser game I ever tried resulted in winged cock.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 16:14 mircea_popescu: ah, yeah. anyway, it's pretty much a game of puzzle based on that chick's art.
mircea_popescu: other similar assumptions could be baked, "this is a phuctor ; this is a torrents box, etc". but irrespective -- if any is baked it's a special purpose and if none is baked its a general purpose os.
mircea_popescu: hey shinohai
shinohai: hai mircea_popescu how goes
trinque: mircea_popescu: btw, that thing's coming along, gotta slap a kernel and bootloader on it, and we're done. maybe this evening.
mircea_popescu: flying cocks everywhere!
mircea_popescu: trinque cool deal.
shinohai: !~dhxxx
trinque afk for a while
mircea_popescu: for instance, i'd very much like a spos for my torrent box -- a fs that only allocates the disk in 1mb chunks would be good ; a better nic driver would be better.
mircea_popescu: !!pay tittybang 0.02
mircea_popescu: bang bang
shinohai: hey mircea_popescu that Trixxi girl messaged me on telegram and said she made a gpg key in kleopatra
mircea_popescu: !!up TrixxC
deedbot: TrixxC voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: check out teh sudden productivities. what's that written there TrixxC , minnow ?
mircea_popescu: !!pay TrixxC 0.02
TrixxC: oh gracias Sr. :)
shinohai: it's raining tits of late. April showers and all i suppose
mircea_popescu: << might be dying hdd i guess. does it have bad sectors etc ?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 15:15 mod6: I did a core dump, and the call stack seems to indicate when I'm "stuck", it's stuck in an lseek() call.
mod6: Here's the output from smartclt against that device:
mircea_popescu: mod6 61 relocation events... i guess it's starting to go the way of rust.
mod6: yeah. and these chumbawumbas also sold me an old ass drive too
mod6: 3509 hours
mircea_popescu: oh, it's not in your hands it got that ?
mod6: that's 146 days. mind you, I only had this emplaced in my box in like beginning of march or some such.
mod6: nope. called dc, was like sweet as pie, "plz put in ssd, or i'll send you one, can you put in?" "yup, we've got one, no problem."
mircea_popescu: well, dcs often reuse disks.
mod6: just was surprised 'tis all. thought it was new, or i would have sent one myself.
mod6: anyway, will take it up with them. but that's probably what i've been chasing for the lsat few weeks.
mircea_popescu: in general anything under warranty is considered perfectly ok. and afaik it's 10k or 20k hours depending.
mircea_popescu: mod6 it might be, i dunno it necessarily is, disk is far from dead-dead.
mod6: I'm still keeping an eye on it. I'm all ears if anyone has any debugging suggestions.
mircea_popescu: mod6 keep an eye on the following item : lseek deaths vs increases of relocation counts.
mod6: (i gleaned 'lseek()' from the 0x8 syscall, not sure if im accurate on that tho)
mircea_popescu: if they go up in step you have a pretty decent empirical reason to use raids like everyone else :D
mod6: lol, ok Sir. Thanks for the advise.
mod6: fwiw, other than this little hiccup, been running great.
mod6: (trb that is)
mircea_popescu: cool deal.
mircea_popescu: eh, french people.
deedbot: << Qntra - F-35 Deliveries Halted Again Over Defects And Contract Disputes
douchebag: yo mp
douchebag: I got a girl
douchebag: !!up thatbitchlola
deedbot: thatbitchlola voiced for 30 minutes.
douchebag: here she is
douchebag: mircea_popescu:
mircea_popescu: you here to show your tits thatbitchlola ?
thatbitchlola: yesssirie
mircea_popescu: thatbitchlola 563661f6 << it's good for about half a n hour, don't dilly-dally.
ckang: !!up danna33
deedbot: danna33 voiced for 30 minutes.
danna33: mircea_popescu: I am here for the titsforbits
mircea_popescu: a hey there.
danna33: hey
douchebag: she texted it to me
thatbitchlola: ^^^ me ^.^
mircea_popescu: danna33 52454fae << it's good for about half a n hour, don't dilly-dally.
mircea_popescu: !!pay thatbitchlola 0.02
mircea_popescu: so what do you do for a living thatbitchlola ?
thatbitchlola: i do everything
mircea_popescu: everything like what ?
thatbitchlola: i used to be a prostitute, now i pimp out the younger girls
mircea_popescu: so how much for the pair ?
thatbitchlola: depends on the girl and what the guy is into
mircea_popescu: so give me a rough idea ?
mircea_popescu: :) right back at you danna33 lol
mircea_popescu: !!pay danna33 0.02
danna33: thanks !
thatbitchlola: out of my girls
danna33: terrorist?
thatbitchlola: they will do anything
mircea_popescu: danna33 aan' what do you do for a living ?
thatbitchlola: if the price is right
danna33: explain please
mircea_popescu: thatbitchlola what area code is this ?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 17:27 mircea_popescu: zx2c4 the good news is that i am now finally in a position to explain what EXACTLY is meant by "terrorist" : that feeling in when shit keeps coming and coming and coming up. what is it, if not spiritual terror ?
danna33: it looks like it references itself
mircea_popescu: nah, different lines.
mircea_popescu: !!key thatbitchlola
thatbitchlola: I used to sell heroin to douchebag same area as him
BingoBoingo: danna33: You are looking at the wrong side of the pointer. Gotta rotate it 45 degrees to your right
mircea_popescu: thatbitchlola do you understand why you need crypto in your line ?
thatbitchlola: yeah he was telling me how he used to buy bitcoin for 250 per
thatbitchlola: and then he showed me the price of bitcoin and its like 8000 now! wtf whyy???
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is a separate consideration. you know what this is : ?
thatbitchlola: he explained how this is how to secure communications that the feds cant crack
mircea_popescu: or anyone else for that matter.
mircea_popescu: !!up thatbitchlola
deedbot: thatbitchlola voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: so now... you're still not going to say how much the all-nighter is for a pair ?
thatbitchlola: $250-$500 depending on girl
BingoBoingo: Pesos or U$D
BingoBoingo: Then specify it por favor. Stahp spreading Chicago centricism and marginalizing rural voices.
mircea_popescu: thatbitchlola and gotta come over to see the girls ?
douchebag: SluttyDiamond: is here for tits too
douchebag: !!up SluttyDiamond
deedbot: SluttyDiamond voiced for 30 minutes.
SluttyDiamond: heyyyy lol im here to show my tits
douchebag: mircea_popescu: is the one you need to talk to
hanbot: douchebag what's with the overbearing announcement of each and every chick you invite in here?
mod6: welcome to
douchebag: hanbot: ?
douchebag: i got a bunch interested right now
douchebag: and i refer them here
ben_vulpes: and clearly none of them can type on their own
hanbot: it's pretty clear why they're here, between their saying so and their own statement of purpose. why do you put 1 - 5 lines of announcement for
hanbot: are you just excited?
hanbot: err, between their names and their own statement of purpose.
mircea_popescu: SluttyDiamond 2fb5eb10 << it's good for about half a n hour, don't dilly-dally.
hanbot: douchebag : just sayin', a lot of people read these logs. it gets tedious reading the announcement over and over again.
douchebag: forsure, apologies
mircea_popescu: tit streamlinin'.
hanbot: thx douchebag
mircea_popescu: douchebag so did we mostly see thatbitchlola 's stable, or are these actually unrelated caches ?
thatbitchlola: elaborate?
mircea_popescu: thatbitchlola << recognize any of the tits there ?
thatbitchlola: he showed me that link
mircea_popescu: alright ; so they your girls or not ?
mircea_popescu: so then what's yo lazy ass waiting for, get the hos writing neh!
thatbitchlola: SluttyDiamond: is my girl
mircea_popescu: that way you can move into the future, conduct your negotiations as "three bitcents for 9348aafb and 2.5 bitcents for ffa03994"
mircea_popescu: will give the old farts in the chicago senate heartburn.
thatbitchlola: wait so I get extra for my girls?
BingoBoingo: !!up haleyyyyy
deedbot: haleyyyyy voiced for 30 minutes.
haleyyyyy: Greetz :)
BingoBoingo: haleyyyyy: Who is your daddy and what does he do?
haleyyyyy: btc my daddy he likes tits
mircea_popescu: thatbitchlola well, you get the publicity value.
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> will give the old farts in the chicago senate heartburn. << haha there's a fact
haleyyyyy: mircea_popescu: Hi
mircea_popescu: haleyyyyy 96ddc81a << it's good for about half a n hour, don't dilly-dally.
mircea_popescu: hanbot these are gonna become incantations lol. "hi i'm here to show you my tits" "<< it's good for about half a n hour, don't dilly-dally." and so on.
mircea_popescu: ad-hoc specification of titbit faucet api!
mircea_popescu 's experimentation in wetware computing & networking is proceeding apace.
thatbitchlola: i took that picture for SluttyDiamond
SluttyDiamond: that's me lol
mircea_popescu: !!pay SluttyDiamond 0.02
mircea_popescu: !!up thatbitchlola
deedbot: thatbitchlola voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: Estoy esperado Alftime
mircea_popescu: !!rate thatbitchlola 1 ex ho now pimp.
BingoBoingo: *esperando
thatbitchlola: im getting another girl right now!
mircea_popescu: thatbitchlola you can voice yourself now ; say !!up to deedbot in a pm, then !!v the string it gives you (have to decrypt first)
thatbitchlola: how long does this take to go through usually?
BingoBoingo: thatbitchlola: trinque usually processes withdrawals once a day.
thatbitchlola: it isn't even showing in my balance tho
deedbot: << Qntra - Aussies Bringing Shuttered Power Plant Back Online For Electricity Sales To Miners
mircea_popescu: thatbitchlola not this long usually ; im waiting for trinque to show up there's something weird going on.
mircea_popescu: !!up kori_
deedbot: kori_ voiced for 30 minutes.
kori_: tits4bits?
mircea_popescu: kori_ d3916aaa ; you got half an hour.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: are you verifying the otps in private?
ben_vulpes: only guess i got
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 talk to me here plox.
zx2c4: hello mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: how goes ?
zx2c4: it does go
mircea_popescu: are you here for the tits ? :D
zx2c4: wondering - how might i achieve great wealth and donations for wireguard from you/trilema?
BingoBoingo: zx2c4: You spoke a lot yesterday, but neglected an important question: Who is your daddy and what does he do?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo he's the wiredguard guy.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, but that doesn't explain his daddy
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 i don't get it, you just got a coin, should last you a while neh ?
zx2c4: my daddy is /proc/kcore and he's connected to a debugger.
mircea_popescu: almost exactly alf's lieage!
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: some time, though of course not enough to support a whole project for a whole year. i'm wondering about great flowering riches
mircea_popescu: why are you doing systems programming if you're after great flowering riches ? go into business.
zx2c4: alas
zx2c4: i like systems programming in crypto
zx2c4: alas.
mircea_popescu: so then do what you like. you'll never be rich, but with some luck you'll never die
mircea_popescu: where luck mostly evaluates to "making sense to people in power".
zx2c4: i wasn't planning on immortality, but if you say so...
mircea_popescu: die of hunger*
BingoBoingo: Anything after 40 is bonus time anyways
zx2c4: so, slightly more disappointing of a prospect
douchebag: mircea_popescu I'm talking to thatbitchlola right now, apparently she got paid before she registered her PGP key
douchebag: could that be the reason?
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 you pretty much work alone on the thing, don;t you ?
mircea_popescu: douchebag it could but it's weird because i checked.
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: for the most part, though trying to get some interns this summer via GSoC
mircea_popescu: douchebag maybe i checked too late. anyway, ima wait for the man to come by and set this straight.
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 how's that work out btw ? i vaguely considered it for eulora but never actually bothered to push the point.
zx2c4: mostly really under-qualified applicants. but if you already know students who are smart, or have some better means of reaching out to them than just the gsoc landing page, then it's possible to hand select people you'd like to work on stuff, and give them summer funding.
mircea_popescu: except of course if they're also dreaming of great towering riches in exchange for doing what they were going to do anyway.
zx2c4: yea. it pays worse than real internships. so the pool of students willing to do it is smaller than what you'd wish
zx2c4: large part of the student motivation is the mentoring, i suppose
mircea_popescu: kinda why i never bothered ; basically the whole "tech" imperial flea circus is this game of trying to outsource your costs on a sucker. whether it's ugc or gsoc, or "investing" or w/e else.
zx2c4: which is why real funding for wireguard would be so much better
mircea_popescu: i don't follow the logic ?
zx2c4: rare occurrence with FLOSS though
zx2c4: proper funding would mean fewer "suckers"
mircea_popescu: no, it would just mean you'd be the sucker.
zx2c4: how come?
mircea_popescu: understand, being poor is like being skinny : no lion running after you.
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 you ever read ? it'd explain the matter thoroughly.
mircea_popescu: !!key kori_
mircea_popescu: !!pay kori_ 0.02
mircea_popescu: kori_ sooo... when are you coming to costa rica ?
kori_: Thanks dear
kori_: Married 🤣
mircea_popescu: ehehe aite.
kori_: But open
mircea_popescu: well which is it ?
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: this article is about making a company right? i'm not doing that. im just writing painstaking careful code and giving it to the world for free
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 it's more generally about how the whole sucker business works.
zx2c4: ahh
mircea_popescu: i promise you it's worth the read ; if you read it and think otherwise you can come here an' complain.
BingoBoingo: So many experiments in programming the wetware today!
mircea_popescu: and such diversity!
mircea_popescu: costa rica is starting to rub off on me, biodiversidad Y TECHNODIVERSIDAD!
zx2c4: i still dont see how this applies to my situation,
zx2c4: but interesting read nonetheless
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 it relates specifically to the "which is why real funding for wireguard would be so much better". no, it wouldn 't be. you'd just end up trapped in some sort of bullshit deal.
zx2c4: i'd be wary of any 'deal' that's different from: 'i'm given money. you're given warm feelings of having helped the internet.'
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 understand, this self-flattering notion that you're in control is bunk. you're in no position to be in control in that sense. all that you're filtering for by that mechanism is "bullshit deal i don't comprehend". which... of course you would be.
mircea_popescu: evolution at work, the reason the fish doesn't remove the bloodsucker is that the bloodsucker is so designed as to sit in the fish's blind spot.
zx2c4: to put differently, if 2000 BTC suddenly showed up in 1ASnTs4UjXKR8tHnLi9yG42n42hbFYV2um, I'd be quite happy and don't think i'd be worse off
mircea_popescu: douchebag it's almost certainly due to their not having had keys ; because otherwise payments work.
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 you'd be terribly worse off, and so would be the bitcoin ecosystem.
zx2c4: the latter point -- because you suppose i'd convert it to EUR and that'd harm BTC in general?
mircea_popescu: and in exactly the way a toddler suddenly getting 2000 Nm impulse would be worse off.
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 no, because you'd do something stupid.
zx2c4: oh, i really don't think that'd be the case
mircea_popescu: of course you don't. that's a necessary ingredient.
douchebag: yeah because SluttyDiamond is having the same problem
zx2c4: i'm pretty certain no calamity would come of it...
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 this certainty is borne out of nothing in particular. i've been sitting here for many years, watching many kinds and sorts of people getting power beyond their means.
douchebag: once trinque vertifies that's the issue you'll repay them mircea_popescu - correct ?
zx2c4: i dont think it'd translate into any kind of significant "power beyond my means"
zx2c4: i realize that's the classic trope -- it's the kind of thing you read about all the time
zx2c4: but it clearly doesn't happen with _all people_
mircea_popescu: douchebag yes.
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 looky, the only reason you want "an infinity of monyz" is "so that i don't have to tihnk of monyz anymore", which is simply the way you've rephrased "so i can be stupid with impunity" in a way to meet your blindspots.
zx2c4: the reason is actually, "so that i can have a fixed income without any concrete labor obligations"
mircea_popescu: if you want a lot of monyz, business is the only way. there, you risk losing it, and you learn what it is and how it works. if that's not of your interest, you can never have it. period. even if you think you do, for whatever reason. are you familiar with the all-amusing ers example ?
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 that's the same thing.
zx2c4: how does that necessarily lead to "being stupid"? what if i just choose to raise a boring family and live a boring life?
mircea_popescu: what's dumber than that ?!
zx2c4: hahah
mircea_popescu: money has specific needs of you, duh. what, you think it cares about your family ?
mircea_popescu: you have to answer questions, and answer them correctly, and for ~all time.
zx2c4: that seems fine
zx2c4: i know a lot of rich people with trust funds set up by their ancestors. they receive fixed income every month, and otherwise aren't hassled
mircea_popescu: and i know jewish cemeteries with upkept graves. what's the difference ?
mircea_popescu: you're not about to tell me these shambling ruins are people or something.
mircea_popescu: !!up lauren22
deedbot: lauren22 voiced for 30 minutes.
lauren22: Hi, boobs?
mircea_popescu: aite lauren22 ; 961325385 ; you got half hour.
zx2c4: one difference is that the ruins aren't people, not that they are, obviously. not sure i'm getting your rhetorical point...
mircea_popescu: but what is the difference ? some ancestor decided to preserve his degeneration. as a rock or as a grandson, whatever. are they more than this ?
mircea_popescu: occasionally hollywood nuts leave pets behind in the ~same situation also. they get a daily pellet and so on.
zx2c4: the point is that the grandson rarely has problems answering correctly to too many questions that necessitate correct responses
mircea_popescu: what do you think the ur-question is ?
zx2c4: not sure
zx2c4: great seinfeld episode
mircea_popescu: "What were you in this life ?" is no small matter. and yes it requires a correct answer ; what's the trust fund do for that ?
zx2c4: some rich kids seem to use their funds to pursue interesting things and deepen their character with those experiences. others waste away their time.
mircea_popescu: and in all cases the answer comes back again and again, "i was an inadequate successor to a greater past".
mircea_popescu: tis infinitely better to be a promising systems developer than to be a guy who wasn't cool enough for the chunk of bitcoin he got.
douchebag: hey mircea_popescu do I get 0.01 for finding a flaw with deedbot again :D
douchebag: since it probably subtracted from your balance
zx2c4: i don't think so. plenty of people with the necessary leisure study or create literature, philosophy, music, art -- great aspects of civilization for which there isn't always an immediate economic incentive
mircea_popescu: douchebag i checked and it did not substract!
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 so where's the 500 rembrandts ? (do you know the reference ?)
douchebag: well
douchebag: let me ask both of them
douchebag: or actually
zx2c4: for example, i've spent my life studying greek philosophy and playing jazz music, and it doesn't pay anything. hence programming. but the economics of those activities doesn't really relate to their quality or importance
douchebag: !!key thatbitchlola
douchebag: !!key SluttyDiamond
douchebag: they both have keys now
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 but you are aware how the economics of either greek philosophy or jazz music worked irl ?
zx2c4: i'm not saying everyone with leisure _does_ do something worthwhile with it. but you cant deny that leisure is in many cases a necessary precondition for many great aspects of civilization
mircea_popescu: but i affirm that you equivocate "lesiure", in that your idea of leisure is never what occured when actual civilisation was produced.
mircea_popescu: who do you think the most notable of the greeks ?
zx2c4: yea, sure, im pretty certain of what it'd take to be financially viable in either philosophy or jazz music. that's not something universally available and there's a lot of luck involved, however, and even then it's a pretty rough life. it's not even available to all types of philosophy study and all types of jazz music.
zx2c4: i enjoy plato most
thatbitchlola: wait so you figured out why it didn't send?
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 so i take it you're familiar with history as retold by the esl : how socrates died, and how plato did not die.
mircea_popescu: do you understand the terrible shame plato was, for socrates ?
mircea_popescu: thatbitchlola probably, yes.
zx2c4: not sure i have the same interpretation of phaedo as you
zx2c4: im being interrupted now, but ill be back in a while to continue this
mircea_popescu: nevermind phaedo. socrates tried, his whole life, to make people capable of standing on their own. and his products, among which plato is a minor outlier, held that bloody affair, where most of the city was gutted.
lauren22: Sorry did photo upload work?
mircea_popescu: it was, make no mistake, an exact greek shoah.
mircea_popescu: and aristotle had to face this desert before his eyes : here, you did what you thought best, and here's what came of it, your students trying to force innocent men to take part inb murders to avoid retribution.
mircea_popescu: this scandal is why aristotle didn't even fucking want plato's disgusting silver.
mircea_popescu: and now think -- that for his great merits, aristotle was in fact given by the city "2000 btc", ie exactly what you mean by it, "sufficient money so as i can be a righteous man alone".
mircea_popescu: you can't fucking BE righteous alone.
mircea_popescu: lauren22 yes 1 sec
mircea_popescu: !!pay lauren22 0.02
lauren22: ❤️
mircea_popescu: what do you do for a living ?
thatbitchlola: would you be able to pay me and sluttydiamond now that we added our keys?
lauren22: Watch over my 2 children until they start school
mircea_popescu: thatbitchlola im waiting for trinque to show up ; won't be very long.
mircea_popescu: lauren22 is it fun ?
lauren22: Homemaker I suppose
mircea_popescu: imagine, if you only had 100`000 more pairs of tits you could write cryptographic client-server protocols.
mircea_popescu: and we'd call you shiva
lauren22: How would that work?
mircea_popescu: well that we haven't figured out yet!
lauren22: Cloudflare & lava lamps? Live in the flesh?
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 i'm sorry, i got confused. " this scandal is why socrates didn't even fucking want plato's disgusting silver. and now think -- that for his great merits, socrates was in fact given by the city "2000 btc"" is what i meant.
mircea_popescu: lauren22 why lava lamps ?
lauren22: Have you not seen how cloudflare does it?
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha
lauren22: Lavalamps
mircea_popescu: now modesty aside, considering i've seen your tits : what DO you do with yourself ?
lauren22: Heh, do in what sense?
mircea_popescu: well, in the sense of, do you bash ? do you c ? do you ada ? do you what ?
trinque: so, the girls are bitching they don't have a balance, after having run withdrawal requests, or what?
mircea_popescu: trinque i sent payments they didn't have keys yet, i don't want to resent lest it ends up doublespent.
mircea_popescu: unless you say to.
lauren22: Oh, I started in CS, did not finish though.
trinque: nothing happens if they weren't registered
mircea_popescu: lauren22 so how do you know cloudflare is a joke ?
mircea_popescu: trinque resend then ?
lauren22: Youtube
trinque: sure, if bot says nothing, bot did nothing
lauren22: Video, one magazine did a piece about it
mircea_popescu: good for you.
mircea_popescu: !!pay thatbitchlola
mircea_popescu: !!pay thatbitchlola 0.02
mircea_popescu: !!pay SluttyDiamond 0.02
mircea_popescu: lauren22 would you like to learn to computer ?
lauren22: Mobile, maybe.
mircea_popescu: why mobile ?
lauren22: More utility for most
trinque: << why don't you do some actual work, then
a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 20:35 douchebag: hey mircea_popescu do I get 0.01 for finding a flaw with deedbot again :D
lauren22: Everyone has a computer in pocket/purse
mircea_popescu: why not program ticks then ?
mircea_popescu: most herbivores have a bunch.
trinque: douchebag: and when you bring these chicks in here, tell them A) register, B) don't expect trinque hops off what he was doing to immediately cut txn for their precious cuntlet C) once they withdraw, balance is 0 again, because duh
lauren22: I wonder how laptop sales have done since modern phones, many friends don't even own laptop anymore.
lauren22: iPad/iPhone/Android
mircea_popescu: lauren22 pretty much everyone here uses desktops and rackables only. or almost.
douchebag: trinque: I'll do actual work once I have a machine that can be on 24/7
trinque checks printer, holy fuck, lol
mircea_popescu: how's the sluttest coming along ?
mircea_popescu: im sorry, i mean stresstest.
trinque: goin great!
mircea_popescu: groin great ?
lauren22: You all married/kids?
trinque: lol
mircea_popescu: !!up lauren22
deedbot: lauren22 voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: lauren22 ben_vulpes has a coupla, the other married guy left ; i keep slavegirls, most everyone else is vaguer about it.
lauren22: Do you want a large family?
mircea_popescu: ah, diana_coman has one too.
mircea_popescu: lauren22 as long as i choose it, yes.
lauren22: Yes, not worth getting trapped in a bad relationship over kid
mircea_popescu: no, that's not what i mean. i mean i don't want to play genitorial roulette, i'd rather choose the new members of this family myself.
lauren22: Ahh, genetic selection?
lauren22: Eugenics ?
mircea_popescu: eugenics is dumb.
lauren22: I have only heard it referenced with Hitler stuff mostly.
mircea_popescu: eugenics is the proposition that you can pick good genotypes on the basis of fenotypic cues. this is nonsense, as the genotype is way way deeper than the fenotype. see also for a broader discussion.
lauren22: I remember the beans from elementary school somewhat
danielpbarron has no wives and no kids
mircea_popescu: and no problems ?
danielpbarron: doing alright
mircea_popescu: !!up ErisMoon
deedbot: ErisMoon voiced for 30 minutes.
ErisMoon: I'm here to show tits
douchebag: im still getting her gpg setup, so obv don't pay her until after she gets that all registered
douchebag: but she's ready
mircea_popescu: ErisMoon a3a128e3 ; you got half hour.
mircea_popescu: will the universe run out of tits before mp runs out of bits ; or will mp run out of bits before the universe runs out of tits ? THE QUESTIONS OF OUR TIME
deedbot: FB73E512AEAE6853CA0534A84C1A2805CDEBA21C registered as ErisMoon.
ErisMoon: okay no problemo
ErisMoon: enjoy
ErisMoon: mircea_popescu is this good?
douchebag: That was awfully quick, nice job!
mircea_popescu: tis fine
mircea_popescu: !!pay ErisMoon 0.02
mircea_popescu: so what's eris moon come from ?
mircea_popescu: !!up jossi
deedbot: jossi voiced for 30 minutes.
jossi: boob :)
mircea_popescu: jossi 128f55d7 ; you got halfhour.
mircea_popescu: !!up Hobbyboycg
deedbot: Hobbyboycg voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !!pay jossi 0.02
mircea_popescu: !!key jossi
jossi: :)
mircea_popescu: jossi that's a nice interior, are you like rich ?
jossi: boutique
mircea_popescu: ah, you work there ?
jossi: we sell to the rich, im not rich :(
trinque: eh mircea_popescu internet just went out where the wallet box is located.
mircea_popescu: lol. so next time rich dood walks in, be all like "0.11 btc for this bed as it is, sir ; or 0.20 as a package deal, with me in it"
trinque: ping you when it's back up
mircea_popescu: trinque ty
mircea_popescu: jossi slight delay apparently.
jossi: mircea_popescu: its a lot of baby stuff unfortunately lol
mircea_popescu: do you also go to school ?
jossi: Would be pretty awkward
jossi: I did for fashion
jossi: Well started
mircea_popescu: didn't pan out ?
jossi: :x
mircea_popescu: say, do you have any friends that draw well ?
jossi: I have 2 years left
jossi: I did in school, but not currently
jossi: Tell me about you
mircea_popescu: what would you like to know ?
jossi: Hm
jossi: What is mircea_popescu ? of what origin?
mircea_popescu: the name is romanian.
jossi: The name itself
jossi: Ah Romanian women, you must be in heaven.
mircea_popescu: i live in costa rica.
mircea_popescu: but amusingly enough, you look pretty romanian yourself. where'you from ?
jossi: Every Roma girl I've known has been super good looking somehow
jossi: Ukrainian and French
mircea_popescu: and do you live in ukraina or france ?
jossi: Oh no, just linage
jossi: Live in NYC
mircea_popescu: from what i hear ukraina sucks these days. how's nyc ?
jossi: It has its nice areas, but you have to really like city life.
mircea_popescu: what's city life like these days ?
jossi: I wouldn't mind a more suburban area
jossi: Police, everywhere
jossi: Trump had the city messed up for quite a bit too
jossi: With the extra patrolmen and blockades, but mostly done now
mircea_popescu: yeah, i can't imagine how i'd put up with the nonsense.
jossi: Well, mostly wife's fault
mircea_popescu: here, the police are lovely chaps. mostly give out directions.
jossi: Poor Melania seems pretty sad looking lately
mircea_popescu: you figure old man trump's penis pump finally gave up the ghost ?
jossi: HAH!
jossi: I suspect he only works with the right cocktail of pills in him lol
mircea_popescu: you just said cock ?!
mircea_popescu: !!up jossi
deedbot: jossi voiced for 30 minutes.
jossi: I see what you did there lol
jossi: But I don't want to judge the man
thatbitchlola: wait so
mircea_popescu: !!rate jossi 1 ukrainian-french girl working for the rich of nyc. wiwa la rebolucion!
jossi: If he likes cock, *shrug*
thatbitchlola: when is my bitcoin going to appear in my wallet
thatbitchlola: if it went offline
mircea_popescu: thatbitchlola today or tomorrow. something like trhat.
thatbitchlola: okay it said after i did everything
thatbitchlola: 0.02 will be sent to my address
thatbitchlola: after going through the process
mircea_popescu: cool. takes 24h or elss.
mircea_popescu: jossi so other than boutique and not going to school anymore, what do you do ?
jossi: This pays well, not the most stimulating job but gives me time to do other things
jossi: Mostly browse reddit and watch youtube lol
mircea_popescu: o hey, check it out zx2c4 ! leisure works!
mircea_popescu: that poor guy. little did he know...
jossi: Heh whats the story there?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 20:37 zx2c4: i'm not saying everyone with leisure _does_ do something worthwhile with it. but you cant deny that leisure is in many cases a necessary precondition for many great aspects of civilization
mircea_popescu: you can follow the log on the website, if you click the link
jossi: Oh, I am one that doesn't do the worth while stuff :o
mircea_popescu: why not ?
jossi: Good question
jossi: Not found my "thing" yet
mircea_popescu: why thank you. and the good answer ?
mircea_popescu: mh. what do you mean "your thing"
jossi: Something that I enjoy and is stimulating & enriches
mircea_popescu: that must suck.
mircea_popescu shall bbs.
trinque: got ya thatbitchlola; going to be moving the wallet to pizarro hosting soon as I can.
jossi: trinque: I may have issue, deedbot not responding
a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 21:57 trinque: eh mircea_popescu internet just went out where the wallet box is located.
trinque: gonna have to wait until that box comes back.
jossi: Ah, Got you
trinque: transparent ploy to get you to hang out with us longer, eh?
jossi: Lol
jossi: Tell me about this place, if you had to summarize in a sentence or 2
jossi: Elevator pitch
douchebag: hey trinque but the transactions that already got processed and everything
douchebag: and are just waiting for manual processing
douchebag: you got them already?
trinque: yeah, everything that gave a response to somebody got through; no worries
trinque: just dealing with shitty internets for the next howeverlong
douchebag: alright, when do you think you'll get to processing them
mircea_popescu: jossi do you see the topic ?
mircea_popescu: also works.
shinohai: elevator pitch lol
shinohai is off to have ice cream and brandy for birthday
mircea_popescu: happy bday
mircea_popescu: !!up jossi
deedbot: jossi voiced for 30 minutes.
hanbot: << lastest post (mod_rewrite ergo links not yet live, or i'd link y'all directly) is mp-wp_genesis. esthlos and anyone else who was waiting on this is encouraged to test it out --setting up a test blog-within-a-blog is gonna be a royal pita and cause yet further delays, so please do try it out, lemme know how it goes.
ben_vulpes: nifty hanbot
ben_vulpes: looking forward to giving it a crack myself
mircea_popescu: jossi to voice yourself, say !!up to deedbot in a pm and then !!v the string it gives you (decrypt its message)
mircea_popescu takes advantage of a momentary lull to update the titpost lol
esthlos: nice hanbot, will play around and get back to you on Sunday
esthlos: !!key hanbot
hanbot: gl!
shinohai: oh i found it nm
BingoBoingo: << Maybe the people and society section needs updating? Maybe it doesn't? Glories of no formal surveys!
mircea_popescu: it's the way of cia factbooks to be half a decade out of date.
mircea_popescu: "these facts were factual at some point"
BingoBoingo: Ambiguity ftw!
douchebag: hey trinque
douchebag: I have some girls who are gonna wanna show tits tomorrow
douchebag: will the bot be back up and working by then?
trinque: most likely yes. there's an ISP outage.
trinque: oughta be back on later today, but the ministry of comcast, who knows
trinque: relatedly, I'm going to instate a withdrawal fee. will decide what that is later
trinque: if I'm moving this from a "hey use my airgap system for cheap" to "high throughput wallet system" it's going to pay for itself
mircea_popescu: trinque charge whatever the network fee is and there you go.
trinque: still doesn't really pay for me cutting txn; obviously the ideal is I cut txn to refill a hot wallet, bot can use up to hot wallet balance without operator interaction.
trinque: since I am unwilling to bail the thing out if the hotwallet piggy is popped, I have been reluctant to do that.
mircea_popescu: at this phase the incentive should still principally be to streamline things.
trinque: douchebag: asking you to review trb's deps wasn't idly selected
mircea_popescu: trinque how much does it need to be ? so far < 1 btc per day or so neh ?
trinque: yeah, but I'm not extending people trb+linux+amd64 insurance
mircea_popescu: what do you evaluate the odds of it getting popped at ?
mircea_popescu: ~ example of question to be answered correctly above ~
trinque: really depends on whether it's a political or economic reason for attack.
trinque: sub BTC piggy isn't worth that much, but "lul popped republican wallet operator" is
mircea_popescu: i... guess.
mircea_popescu: contrariwise though, there's not that much per-tx cost the system can bear.
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine half dozen tx/day sorta debit can in any meaningful sense "pay for itself".
mircea_popescu: (consider that these are uncharacteristically generious txn, most of the world still operates on the 19.95 walmart standard.)
trinque: txn fees on my recent ones have been something like 0.00001, at the low end
mircea_popescu: that's pretty good.
mircea_popescu: kinda how my reasoning went, "he's pretty good at getting tx fees optimized, chances are users won't even notice they're paying, when comparing with $average-webservice."
trinque checks date.
mircea_popescu: it's friday, april 13th
trinque: you know the hard drive on the box cutting txn died too, this week?
trinque: dundundun
mircea_popescu: trinque anyway, one reasonable measure to cost control is to do all txn once a day, every day. ish.
mircea_popescu: that way a) you get automated txn bundling, reducing fees and b) you don't have to keep doing it.
trinque: that's about what I've been doing
mircea_popescu: you ~could~ add a deedbot command like !!pending which'd list all pending items and the estimated next send ("Next tx push on Fri, Apr 14 at 8:14 pm -- in 25hours). gives people something to do with their time.
trinque: isn't always going to be the case that I'm next to the machine at the same time
mircea_popescu: you just update a field with "next tx".
trinque: but sure, thing could say "estimated dispatch $time"
trinque: yep
mircea_popescu: generally should be able to guess at the time you'd do it today what time'd be convenient tomorrow sorta deal
mircea_popescu: but, to be plain, it is a lot of work, and very useful, and very finnicky / highly qualified / high responsibility. so absolutely you should make bank for doing it.
mircea_popescu: problem with it is that such a thing only pays after getting large enough.
trinque: very true.
trinque: I'd actually like to find a path to the hot wallet sooner than later, for reasons of getting large enough
mircea_popescu: kinda the dilemma of "democratic society" aka "people have rights / are best judges of how to deploy their own resources" etc. you end up with the walmart world and either you chase the britney spears fanbase or else can't cover costs.
trinque: probably just going to set a ceiling on it, and grow the ceiling over time
trinque: let whatever comes in as revenue trickle over into a rainy day fund if a wallet gets popped
mircea_popescu: trinque the line i was going on with the "what odds do you give" is that CDB is indelible from the book, stays there in red. cost of carry of capital, goods or otherwise, and so on.
mircea_popescu: you're stuck investing $hotwallet-size * $failure-odds into the business that it could be, like it or not. just like your time.
mircea_popescu: now, i am in the fortunate position of having valuable experience : bitbet's hotwallet was 1btc ; and it was never popped.
mircea_popescu: (1 btc worth, it was actually 10, but they came to about 5-10k or such)
trinque: that's good to know.
mircea_popescu: now, kako for all his weird was certainly technically competent, so it's not the case that "there lay a trb in the rain".
mircea_popescu: but i don't judge you all that dizzy, either.
douchebag: trinque: In regards to trb deps
douchebag: I'm definitely going to look into them
douchebag: and I have some friends really big into RE who are going to be helping
trinque: mircea_popescu: just trying to frontload the decisions so I'm not on my ear when somethign raises its head.
douchebag: one is ex-military and worked on reverse engineering enemy weapons ect...
mircea_popescu: trinque quite sensible.
trinque: I've handled orders of magnitude more bezzlebucks elsewhere and yet this obviously, I care a great deal more about.
trinque: never bitten on either side, but want it kept that way
trinque: also there's the radiation damage of the former screaming never again while working on the latter
douchebag: I just want to have a dedicated box to review these on, and as mircea_popescu mentioned I'll be sent a server
douchebag: to install this stuff on
trinque: I think you are right, and I'll just consider this an investment in the thing's growth
mircea_popescu: trinque you might be overdramatizing ; what, you think i've never lost a team ? what am i, made of pure energy ? shit happens ; gotta have plans in place and move on.
mircea_popescu: douchebag you're getting it, you're getting it.
trinque: alright douchebag, your flood of titties made me agree to a hotwallet
mircea_popescu: truth be told it was mostly ckeen
mircea_popescu: what happened to him lol!
trinque: ah yeah, was wasn't it
trinque: at any rate I approve of this engineering process
mircea_popescu: douchebag are you actually doing skag btw ?
trinque will be back in about an hour, perhaps the idiot ISP will be back by then.
mircea_popescu: another obvious angle here being, hey ben_vulpes mod6, considering the very useful and important work trinque's doing, imo best illustrated by is there any chance he'd get a one time grant from tbf ?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 18:58 mircea_popescu: avgjoe it's exactly equivalent to "segwit" except much less expensive.
ben_vulpes: for teh cbd?
mod6: I'd be happy to hear proposls, indeed!
mod6: Speaking of which, ben_vulpes, let me know what you think, but to help keep track of these grants, I think the applicants for a Foundation grant, should write up a small document outlining: 1) How much they are requesting, 2) What the intended purpose is for the grant, 3) The Duration (if any, i.e. one year, or one-time, etc), 4) The current block height / date. 5) Signed with WoT Key.
mod6: Upon approval these can be deeded so we can keep track. I'm starting to have a hard time remembering them all!
mod6: :D
mircea_popescu: well, the idea is that indeed he's on the hook, for a particular type of cost. obviously writing code, reviewing code, testing things, design, graphic or systems, all sorts of things are useful and valuable, and they take people's time. if you spend an hour reading through patches you can't spend that hour petting your dog/kitten/kid whatever.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, you know aforehand, when you sit down to read through a patch, that you're gonna spend so long with it, and you'll stop when you stop.
mircea_popescu: whereas this, it's more a case of carrying a knife up your ass. it decides when and what.
mircea_popescu: i dunno if i'm making any sense. am i ?
mod6: I view his work on deedbot & wallet as highly-necessary and critical. So you kinda read my mind when you asked us above.
mircea_popescu: specifically being able to say, "oh, yeah, segwit, whatever, the power ranger's version of deedbot's !!pay, right ?" is a tmsr-wide benefit.
mod6: You're totally making sense. It could be a reoccuring grant; needs to be re-newed yearly (or some interval). I'm not in the best position to have an idea as to what is a sensible amount for the interval.
mircea_popescu: i'm guessing if it covers his original hotwallet it's all roses.
mircea_popescu: if he doesn't get popped, it needs no renewal, it's permanent. and if he does... well...
mod6: My initial thought was that the Foundation would say, offer a one time engineering fee of 1 BTC. And then also provide insurance for the hot wallet to the tune of say, 1 BTC.
mod6: Maybe that's not as reasonable as what you're suggesting though -- a reoccuring grant.
mircea_popescu: just give him a bitcoin to seed his hotwallet, and call it a day.
mod6: I'd be fine with that. I'd even go a bit further and throw in some extra funding for the development, historical and forward.
mircea_popescu: if he manages to lose it we can have words about maybe another one ; but it'd better not be this year.
mircea_popescu: mod6 you can't afford to pay for development. i appreciate the sentiment, and i'm not saying his work is negligible, but if you count all the IMMENSE amount of devwork the republic has produced, however you add it up you'll either a) be on the hook for more than the foundation has, significantly more, or else b) you'll be stuck taking lowball to the level of insulting people.
mircea_popescu: neither's a good outcome.
mod6: Aha, was thinking that part was a one time thing, The Foundation would indeed run out of money in short order.
mod6: Anyway, ok. I'm happy to approve seeding the hot-wallet.
mod6: ben_vulpes: Thoughts?
ben_vulpes: 1 btc sounds like it would insure the hotwallet for quite some time, sounds neat but let me think about it
mod6: Cool.
ben_vulpes: trinque: rang, asked me to pass on that a) he doesn't need help insuring the hotwallet, and that b) he's thinking really hard about how much of linux and the rest of the stack to insure on his own back, and the moral hazard of doing so
ben_vulpes: (look gossipd works, asciilifeform can take a nap)
ben_vulpes: thoughts topmost on my stack (after apache arcana) are about the implications of the foundation backing the 'tbtf' initiatives. i know that someone must, but going from a rate of zero in however many years to two in two quarters is worth pausing and thinking for.
mod6: Not as much ``tbtf initiatives'' as it is just the larger Republic, neh?
mod6: Anyway, can think on it.
ben_vulpes: 'too big to fail' i mean
mod6: Oh, i see.
ben_vulpes: i want to read what trinque has to say as well
mod6: No worries, no rush.
trinque: mircea_popescu: wallet is back online
trinque: ben_vulpes: that's an accurate rendering of my opinion. I think mircea_popescu was correct in that there's an unavoidable cost of doing business of a startup wallet service.
trinque: element of this every time one thinks about running a serious service on the modern shitpile
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 01:32 mircea_popescu: <<< yes, because you're applying the pretense of statics to a dynamic situation. trinque 's metaphore is very much factual : we were paradopped on hot coals, by the FAULT, inexcusable, and indelible, of our parents. they should have taken care that we do not get dropped on hot coals, as children barely able to move. they did not, and derelict in their first and practically speaking on
trinque: I think a 1BTC ceiling would be a satisfactory tolerance for loss from the hot wallet, which I would be able to eat. which is not a promise to eat the thing's losses endlessly either, but on the airgap-wallet side I have enough confidence in the setup that my tolerance is higher.
mod6: I'm fine with this if you are. Certainly wern't trying to force anything on you by any means.
trinque: naw, it's a compliment that you'd consider doing that.
mod6: o7
a111: Logged on 2018-04-14 01:42 mircea_popescu: whereas this, it's more a case of carrying a knife up your ass. it decides when and what.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the reasoning wasn't tbtf, but rather community-benefit terrible-cost-structure
mircea_popescu: trinque that works also, keeps things cleaner in a sense.
mircea_popescu: now whom didn't i pay here
mircea_popescu: !!pay jossi 0.02
mircea_popescu: !!up jossi
deedbot: jossi voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes moreover, tbf involvement with pizarro was an investment, not a grant. it got equity didn't it.
mircea_popescu: or is this your discreet way of proposing pizarro's bust :D
douchebag: yo mp
douchebag: you on?
douchebag: mircea_popescu
douchebag: okay
douchebag: ill get her setup rn
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-04-14 02:49 mircea_popescu: or is this your discreet way of proposing pizarro's bust :D
mircea_popescu: gotta watch what you say, teh investors are eager to misinterpret!
ben_vulpes: who isn't isweatergod
trinque: douchebag: how many you got, and I'll crack this megawad off before bed
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