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cutco: why freenode then
danielpbarron: why efnet?
phf: maybe he means why freenode when you're going to have a gatekeeper?
cutco: yes
mircea_popescu: !!up cutco
deedbot: cutco voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: cutco : historical accident, no more.
mircea_popescu shall drop here. runs an irc server apparently ; and you could get mysqldbs and a real gnu/linux shell!
deedbot: << Trilema - We shall now read Anathem...
deedbot: << Trilema - A gift of memory
shinohai: From now on, I shall only !!up if I have rated you and the sum of 0.001 as introductory fee is paid to my deedbot coffers. ( trinque/foundation taxes may apply )
ben_vulpes: shinohai: kinda silly, if you posrate someone they can up themselves
diana_coman: also: give people a bit of rope to hang themselves with, what; if any sort of constraint makes sense it might be to ask them to register a key first *before* they get voice
ben_vulpes: lending voice not yet so fraught as to be a formal introduction
mircea_popescu: !!up zineKing
deedbot: zineKing voiced for 30 minutes.
diana_coman: where's your castle zineKing ?
zineKing: #sally
mircea_popescu: whassat ?
zineKing: my castle
zineKing: duh?
mircea_popescu: well yes lol
zineKing: i am down for the cause
zineKing: i have written many zines
zineKing: hence, i am the zineKing
mircea_popescu: o hey. link one ?
zineKing: ">This channel is logged."
zineKing: nty fed
mircea_popescu: << it's so people can read shit later.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-30 17:44 zineKing: nty fed
mircea_popescu: ok this is the weirdest chan i ever saw. check this out
mircea_popescu: i suppose if we get tired of freenode we move to... jollo o.O
ben_vulpes: certainly has better art
mircea_popescu: i also didn't see any "code of conduct", which by now screams pantsuit like "real estate values" scream cardboard houses.
mircea_popescu: zineKing is it your network or do you just hang out there ?
mircea_popescu: !!up zineKing
deedbot: zineKing voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !!up zineKing
deedbot: zineKing voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: Whos is your daddy and what does he do?
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 12618.0, vol: 21944.12049436 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 12240.0, vol: 73926.72550639 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 12688.8, vol: 4615.60117028 | Volume-weighted last average: 12343.161766
shinohai: re th silliness is precisely the point ben_vulpes ... i turned of pms except for lords, most like jurov use /query instead anyway the proper way
shinohai: spamola bots daily
ben_vulpes: funnily i experience this approximately never
ben_vulpes: !!rate jawbone2 1 new blood
ben_vulpes: !!v 02AEF7A724ECDDFE7D2A98B31B1104BE71D04CC8985E4D2008CED0AA8D1654E4
deedbot: ben_vulpes rated jawbone2 1 << new blood
ben_vulpes: now up thyself
jawbone2: Thank you for you help ben_vulpes
jawbone2: It is a pleasure to finally be speaking here.
jawbone2: I would like to set up a full republican node. I have the hardware and the instructions from the bitcoin foundation are pretty clear. I would like to know if you have any recommendations for a VPN service with port forwarding of course.
jawbone2: I live in the US.
trinque: what's the vpn for?
jawbone2: I would like to run the bitcoin node and a small webserver. My ISP would require a much more expensive business account to open port 80. A VPN with a static IP on the other end would allow me to get around this limitation.
ben_vulpes: divorce these concerns, run a bitcoin node on bitcoin node hardware, and a webserver elsewhere
trinque: << gcc-4.9.4 OFFICIALLY!!1!1! deprecated by gentoo bureaucrats
jawbone2: Ok. when you say bitcoin node hardware do you mean specialty hardware with ASIC chips?
jawbone2: Or just have the bitcoin node running on it's own machine
ben_vulpes: no dude, asics are for mining
ben_vulpes: but you say that "i have the hardware", so use that hardware. boot a bitcoin node on it and don't worry about port 80.
jawbone2: Got it. Then I can just use Dynamic DNS to give me a permanent IP address right?
ben_vulpes: shouldn't need a permanent IP to run a node. it's a good thing, and a requirement for running a srsbsns anything, but you can drop connections and reconnect to the bitcoin network regularly without much hassle.
ben_vulpes: afaik you don't even need to be able to do incoming connections, although you are a leech upon the network if you don't.
trinque: I don't find that my home ISP changes IP more than every few months, at least.
jawbone2: I see. The instructions I have assume a static IP address. I can do incoming connections just not on port 80.
ben_vulpes: jawbone2: are you talking about the myip flag?
ben_vulpes: nothing in mentions static IPs, so let's clear this up
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if yer ip moves, yer node becomes unconnectable-to ( and will merrily carry on broadcasting old ip to others as a seed)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: and a node that cannot be externally connected to is an eater, not a plower
jawbone2: I see so when I start the bitcoin demon I put in my current IP. Then if it changes I'll need to update it?
jawbone2: Yes I'm talking about the myip flag
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: yes, i made that latter point.
ben_vulpes: jawbone2: yes, if you are so unlucky as to only have access to a dynamic ip, you must reboot your node with a new ip in myip lest ye 'eat' and now 'plough'
ben_vulpes: would be neat to patch trb to have this dynamically settable, and nothard either, see settxfee
ben_vulpes: idem versionstring as asciilifeform mentioned
jawbone2: If I used Dynamic DNS to get a static IP would that get around this problem?
ben_vulpes: perhaps, i do not know what promises they make.
ben_vulpes: but 'try it and see'!
ben_vulpes: a useful patch for folks in jawbone2 's position would update the results of getinfo to indicate whether trb considered a connection 'inbound' or 'outbound' so that you could determine if your dyndns hacks were working
jawbone2: Indeed I shall. Thank you. Quick question do I now have a rating so I can voice myself in the future or is the rating only temporary.
ben_vulpes: alternatively, jawbone2, rent some virtualized hardware and -connect your homenode to it
ben_vulpes: jawbone2: i don't purge ratings on much more than a once-every-other-quarter basis, so you've got some time
ben_vulpes: no promises, of course
jawbone2: Understood. Thank you for your help.
ben_vulpes: stop by and update us with node sync process regularly and you'll be ahead of 90% of the pack, sadly
jawbone2: Got it.
ben_vulpes: btw, who are you? do you keep a blog anywhere?
jawbone2: My name is Jim Weaver I live in Florida. I do not keep a blog yet. That is coming with my webserver project
ben_vulpes: nice to meetcha, jim
jawbone2: Indeed you too, Ben. I've been reading Trilema the blog for a long while and lurking here for a little while. This is an undiscovered country.
ben_vulpes: surprisingly well know, just not really discussed in 'mainstream'/pantsuit media due to the dump truck loads of fear it inspires
jawbone2: Indeed
esthlos: jawbone2: my 2cents: get a linode with a static ip for $5/mo. for a dynamic dns, run a cron sending your local ip to the linode, and a cron to edit your dns record accordingly on the remote. for the web server, either preroute remote's 80 to some local port, or just run it on non-80
deedbot: << Loper OS - Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 5: Egyptological Multiplication and Division.
mircea_popescu: << there's no good answer to this question ; tmsr isp still in the making. try something and report back basically.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-30 19:53 jawbone2: I would like to run the bitcoin node and a small webserver. My ISP would require a much more expensive business account to open port 80. A VPN with a static IP on the other end would allow me to get around this limitation.
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf plox to snarf ch5
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: << eh, if he's looking for a "vpn" rather than renting a box, there's no divorcing on the table. gotta buy a box before you can buy two boxes.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-30 19:55 ben_vulpes: divorce these concerns, run a bitcoin node on bitcoin node hardware, and a webserver elsewhere
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol, poems included in the price now ?
mircea_popescu: !!up pehbot
deedbot: pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !A .FA55F3F5459A9E799FD0913737C3FCBE74C01A9C3CE54F80083E16F27091F65F.0\#
pehbot: mircea_popescu: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
asciilifeform: not updated yet!!
mircea_popescu: what is in principle acceptable as a proof that division works ?
asciilifeform: !A .2.2*##
pehbot: asciilifeform: 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000004
mircea_popescu: ideally short of a list of all 256 bit operations.
asciilifeform: !A .A.3\##
pehbot: asciilifeform: 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003
asciilifeform: !A .A.3\#[,]#
pehbot: asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001,0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003
asciilifeform: ^easier on the eyes
pehbot: asciilifeform: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFE0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
asciilifeform: ^ observe that this is a correct 512bit product
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re proof -- you go from the definition of division, where it finds integers x*y + r , etc
mircea_popescu: !A .FEDCBA0.FEDCBA0*#[-]#
pehbot: mircea_popescu: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000-00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000FDBABF68372400
asciilifeform: recall that * produces ~2~ nums.
mircea_popescu: .F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0.0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F*#[-]#
mircea_popescu: !A .F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0.0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F*#[-]#
pehbot: mircea_popescu: 0E2C4A6886A4C2E0FF1D3B597795B3D1F00E2C4A6886A4C2E0FF1D3B597795B3-B597795B3D1F00E2C4A6886A4C2E0FF1D3B597795B3D1F00E2C4A6886A4C2E10
asciilifeform: Сом Считает без ошибки!!1111
mircea_popescu: !~translate ukr to fr Сом Считает без ошибки
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: No translations found.
mircea_popescu: apparently google did not recognize ukrainian.
asciilifeform: !~translate ru to ro Сом Считает без ошибки
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Somul contează fără eroare
asciilifeform: ohah notbad
mircea_popescu: it's somn in romanian, ftr.
mircea_popescu: provided som in orig is catfish rather than pike ?
asciilifeform: lol yet another boobytrap
mircea_popescu: yeah. somnul numara fara gresala.
asciilifeform: the latter a not wholly false cognate -- we have погрешность , i.e. instrument error , and from the slavonic root грех , i.e. sin
mircea_popescu: "conteaza" is the bigger caltrop there, yes it's cognate with english "to count" but it strictle means "to matter, to be important", never the actual arithmetical procedure
asciilifeform: aaa as in 'them peons dun count for half a shit'
asciilifeform pictures montypython's sacramental 'the french are revolting'
mircea_popescu: and yes, gresala used deliberately because ro convention is to use slavonic roots for slavonic originals.
mircea_popescu: so heure would be put as ora but ceas as ... ceas.
asciilifeform did notice this.
mircea_popescu: otherwise "eroare" quite available.
asciilifeform: to round off thread -- asciilifeform very much enjoying rewriting ( and it is , yes , a total rewrite ) ffa
mircea_popescu: it shows.
mircea_popescu: some rewrites are better than others, turns out.
asciilifeform: re-walked the literature , also.
mircea_popescu also generally enjoys refucking slavegirl, even if fucked well the first time.
asciilifeform: in other noose from asciilifeform's chamber of horrors : zoolag continues to astonish -- at tip of the spear continuously since reaching sync
mircea_popescu: # MichaŠGórny <>, Andreas K. Hüttel <>, << well it's good to know all the effort was worthwile, orcs get their name spelled correctly.
mircea_popescu: micharmstrong gapowerofthreerny
asciilifeform: бНОПНЯ ВХРЮК?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, not an expert in orcology.
asciilifeform: btw бНОПНЯ has the same magical power as îțâșă
mircea_popescu: to me it always read as equiv of ro znopi
asciilifeform: i.e. it readily and without explanation invokes image of a shambles
mircea_popescu: deceased word, only survives in expression "to beat to shit"
mircea_popescu: !~translate ro to ru l-am znopit in bataie
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Я избил его в избиении
asciilifeform: mebbe like engl 'thrash' ?
asciilifeform: ( which i suspect was corrupted 'thresh' )
mircea_popescu: nah, i expect it's actually alt-spelling of snop (hay ballot)
asciilifeform: how many current-day englischers know what threshing was.
asciilifeform: well yes we have сноп
mircea_popescu: i suppose thrashed very good equivalence by mechanism.
asciilifeform: aha, the сноп ref immediately led me to it
asciilifeform: does ro have 'рубить в капусту' ?
asciilifeform: ( 'to chop [somebody] 'into cabbage' ')
mircea_popescu: !~translate ro to en fideluta
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: chopped
mircea_popescu: notrly. asciilifeform "thin pasta"
asciilifeform: lol! worx
mircea_popescu: HOWEVER, "to make a cabbage out of things" very much still in use
mircea_popescu: heck, i think i recently did myself
asciilifeform: this i saw yea
mircea_popescu: << there. superlative of the notion.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 23:55 mircea_popescu: now let's not make cluj cabbage of everything else too!
asciilifeform: why cluj tho
hanbot: a se taie cineva intr-o varza?
mircea_popescu: hanbot that exists ?
asciilifeform: now exists!111
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform romanian has utterly absurd fixed superlatives for most idiomatics.
mircea_popescu: hanbot care go give some examples ?
hanbot: yeah, not sanctioned afaik.
mircea_popescu: for instance : to be utterly clueless, entirely unprepared, ineffectual and worthless -- such as for an exam of some kind, "a fi tufa", ie, "being a bush".
mircea_popescu: the superlative of this, however, "tufa de venetia", ie, Venice bush.
mircea_popescu: why ? the texts do not record why. but ~everyone knows.
asciilifeform: btw mircea_popescu will appreciate the phunphakt that asciilifeform originally sat down to make an animatedgif of the egyptological algos' mechanics. but eventually gave up and Wrote Wordz
mircea_popescu: being large, self centered and insensate, like a really annoying fat older woman ? vaca. (cow). but as a superlative, "vaca cu cabina", ie, cow with a booth.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oh, i was chuckling over this yest.
mircea_popescu: the svg thing
asciilifeform: not hard to guess, eh. what else would asciilifeform be doing with svgism.
mod6: <+trinque> << gcc-4.9.4 OFFICIALLY!!1!1! deprecated by gentoo bureaucrats << wtf. srsly now.
mircea_popescu: tho did not say anything because not particularily fair, victory delivered by the idiocy of tool.
asciilifeform: i even pulled ye olde postscript red an' blue b00kz off the shelf, in the end
asciilifeform: but eventually 'fuckit'
asciilifeform: who wants -- can go and make it.
mircea_popescu: this is a problem that will recur
trinque: mod6: that's just to train the hole for future jamming-in of clang
mircea_popescu: honestly i am inspired by zineKing chan example, i suspect the better solution may actually be 1980s style ascii art.
mircea_popescu: not SO hard to use the god damned ascii pipes simple and double to make schematics.
asciilifeform: trinque: sorta-usable-off-the-shelf gentoo on the classical www , is living its final days.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: turns out, quite painful for anything nontrivial
asciilifeform: fortunately there is nothing nontrivial in ffa.
trinque has his frozen copy of it all, polishes for just this funeral.
mircea_popescu: gimme an example ?
mircea_popescu: trinque basically the empire of idiots is dead set on giving us free money. all hail.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: anything with nonrightangles in it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just make the image larger
mircea_popescu: I WIN!!11
asciilifeform: pnm ain't ascii tho.
asciilifeform: no moar than uuencoded crapola
mircea_popescu: i dunno, but at some point republican drawing will have to get resolved.
mircea_popescu: granted, not here yet, i guess. but anyways
asciilifeform: i expect the pill will look like hendersonized postscript, rather than svg idiocy.
asciilifeform: ( ftr i did try cl-vecto, and barfed. why do i have to touch absolute coord ?! )
mircea_popescu: << his problem isn't what he states it to be ; he can't have open ports period, probably comcast bs.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-30 19:59 ben_vulpes: but you say that "i have the hardware", so use that hardware. boot a bitcoin node on it and don't worry about port 80.
diana_coman: <- varza esti, nu te faci; that's about the only reason I suspect this just doesn't; can't beat /cut someone into cabbage; they can however be cabbage themselves
a111: Logged on 2017-12-30 22:22 hanbot: a se taie cineva intr-o varza?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually i ran warez servers just fine on shitcast
asciilifeform: it's the gsm carriers who have , as a rule, port fascism
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, some ascii art in eulora? lol
mircea_popescu: i dunno, but since he mentions it, he prolly has it.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i wouldn't mind an ascii-art renderer, like vlc has.
diana_coman: fideluta though can also be ...varza taiata fideluta aka very very thinly
mircea_popescu: that's true.
diana_coman: well, there's nothing to mind for sure
mircea_popescu: lemme rephrase. ima have this done eventually, just not a priority rightnao.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-30 17:46 mircea_popescu: ok this is the weirdest chan i ever saw. check this out
asciilifeform: !#s zzt
mircea_popescu: let's voice him again
diana_coman just had this trouble of explaining to 5 yo what's that "floare la ureche"
mircea_popescu: !!up zineKing
deedbot: zineKing voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: yo, register a key so you can self-voice.
mod6: what do we need to do to get started with cuntoo. we ought to make a list.
asciilifeform: mod6: the server on my desk, to find its way in the cage, is # 1
mircea_popescu: mod6 it has to compile and bootstrap ; and support video cards and netcards. that'd be about it.
asciilifeform: no tarball hoster -- no cuntoo
mircea_popescu: but from what i gather a half dozen people have pills for it in various states of undress.
hanbot: lol diana_coman why not varza nu se naste, varza se devine
asciilifeform: asciilifeform for example has >decade of tarball archive
diana_coman: hanbot, also!
mircea_popescu: at some point we (i mean attempted to build a debian archive.
asciilifeform: i recall this
asciilifeform: what became of it ?
mircea_popescu: iirc that died in the flames of 1e10 bytes of liquid shit
trinque: mod6: << literally all I need to release the thing
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 02:53 trinque: tangentially yet again, I'd really like a vtron to put in this here cuntoo.
mod6: so your box in the cage will host all the tarballs... (we'll need mirrors too) or am I misunderstanding?
mircea_popescu: literally, irrecoverably, liquid.
asciilifeform: i only keep src tarballs
diana_coman: pretty much dead, yes; whatever we took out at that time is still there though
trinque: fine thing to duplicate this particular work, but that's what I'm waiting on, will otherwise write my own to put on it.
mircea_popescu: i think the last debian capable of booting without any binary was like, sarge.
asciilifeform: whaddayamean 'boot without binary'
trinque: the mere act of producing a booting gentoo is trivial; what we need is a genesis of a ports tree merged between the musl overlay and a particular vintage of portage.
asciilifeform: trinque: i still haven't attempted musltronic gentoo. ( and have nfi whether it could be used on a workstation, say -- does emacs run ? what dies ? )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're familiar with the dependency problem, yes ? the statement here is that dependency problem for debian is SO BAD you can't actually produce a meaningful packaging of useful debian within finite space.
trinque: emacs runs fine
asciilifeform: trinque: then it's a go...
trinque: nobody runs my recipes when I post, eh?
mod6: i still use our old one :]
asciilifeform: trinque: i read'em. but only 2 hands, not run yet.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is unsurprising
trinque: this ruins my picture of you with four arms and two keyboards
asciilifeform: binaryturd dists always were a fraud in that sense
mircea_popescu: he's got a joysdick tho
asciilifeform: trinque: i did not say how many total arms!111onlyhowmany free
trinque: loller
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not even that they're binary dists. they CLAIM to be proper dists. but then "all compiles except THIS ONE THING" ; or "x requires y and y requires x -- pick one put binary in" ; or so following.
trinque: mod6: I'd be happy to work with ya on whatever needs done to get v onto this thing. and it perhaps would benefit from phf's vdiff.
trinque: can't repo portage without it
mircea_popescu: is the idea to actually use the whole portage mechanism on the eventual cun2 ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: some packages are known and inescapable arse-mouth-systems in this sense - e.g. gnat, as discussed on several occasions
esthlos: if this is the case, why not go LFS?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-30 22:35 mircea_popescu: mod6 it has to compile and bootstrap ; and support video cards and netcards. that'd be about it.
asciilifeform: can't build a gnat without a... gnat. period
mircea_popescu: because i will confess phf 's tales of bravery encourage me, to think perhaps protage could be cut from 5bn lines to 5k or somesuch ?
trinque: I'm certain it could.
asciilifeform: portage << gotta depythonize it
trinque: I'm speaking of the ebuild tree
asciilifeform: being as python is , what, 1M loc ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose once phf delivers new v, we shall be looking for a hero to reportage.
asciilifeform: imho it needs the ada schemetron.
asciilifeform: as substrate.
asciilifeform: because sh is not a language.
mircea_popescu: trinque yes but see, the change of diff to tmsr diff is liable to bring improvbements to semantic ; same may be true of etree.
trinque: heh, this is why I say release with portage cuntoo "overlay"
trinque: can dev the replacements from inside
mod6: <+trinque> mod6: I'd be happy to work with ya on whatever needs done to get v onto this thing. and it perhaps would benefit from phf's vdiff. << excellent. yeah, let's!
trinque: then jettison the old tree
mircea_popescu: conceivable.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this will need more thought by which i mean more failed attempts.
mircea_popescu: i guess it's a decent spring item.
trinque was prompted to finish the reproductive gentoo when he went to build a box like always, found the shitgnomes had eroded earth from under his build system
mircea_popescu: esthlos lfs ? wut ?
mircea_popescu: resolved ot "large storage" in my head.
trinque: that's not a thing so much as a "yes you could be a human build system"
trinque: sure we've all done LFS in teens or w/e
mircea_popescu: esthlos in a word, because none of the gerard beekmans matthre burgess bruce dubbs etc are known to us / have a !!key and so on
mircea_popescu: it makes sense to re-do imperial crud under the republic ; it makes comparatively little sense to try and pick among the anonymous imperials for "the good one".
esthlos: so some of the gentoo devs are around?
mircea_popescu: nope, which is why the item is called cuntoo.
mircea_popescu: the logic is actually very strict : only key can sign, therefore only key can genesis, and see all the discussions around mpi re exactly what code production is deemed etc.
mircea_popescu: but in shorthand practical terms, if they don't have a genesis we can patch upon, they don't exist.
esthlos: oh, i see
asciilifeform: a number of items in gentoo ports ~did~ have pgp sigs. but none of anybody in my l2 (or 3, or afaik even 4 )
mircea_popescu: "very strict" : if i can't lean on them to make a proper genesis, also just as good as not existing
mircea_popescu: and so following, the blade cuts.
trinque: and they use things like "release signing key" because persons don't exist
mircea_popescu: the bizarre sort of "humility" the empire keeps pushing.
esthlos: i want to say v is genius, but it seems like common fucking sense. columbus' egg i suppose
a111: Logged on 2017-12-30 20:11 ben_vulpes: a useful patch for folks in jawbone2 's position would update the results of getinfo to indicate whether trb considered a connection 'inbound' or 'outbound' so that you could determine if your dyndns hacks were working
mircea_popescu: esthlos most genius is common sense.
mircea_popescu: heigh ho the holly...
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 14:20 mircea_popescu: nah. cleverness in humans is simply equivalent of what drunks call "a moment of lucidity", ie, stopped being indescribably fucking stupid for one god damned moment.
trinque: mod6: got an apu2?
mod6: no
trinque: doesn't matter; we'll need a set of known-good kernel configs anyway
trinque: I provided one for the apu2 in the archive I'm uploading to blogbox atm
asciilifeform: i posted one for phf last yr
asciilifeform: for x60
mod6: ah, ok. cool!
asciilifeform: trinque: apu really oughta be run with an in-rom kernel
trinque: wip cuntoo script only does apu2, but if you read it, it'd be trivial to parameterize the kernel config
mircea_popescu: << no, i think this may well be permanent, i think i purge mine bianually or some shit.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-30 20:14 jawbone2: My name is Jim Weaver I live in Florida. I do not keep a blog yet. That is coming with my webserver project
mircea_popescu: !!rate jawbone2 1 convincing noob
mircea_popescu: twice a decade, by the looks of it.
trinque: asciilifeform: worth a thread maybe, but I loathe the one-kernel-for-them all approach; I don't even ship my kernels with module loading enabled
asciilifeform: aha, it is intimately per-machine item
mircea_popescu is looking forward to mod6 putting some of these into hardware, because while he's very cute as he gets all flustered from repeated failure, the whole process is nevertheless immensely useful & productive.
mircea_popescu: trinque the VERY FUCKING NOTION of "modules" is basically abandonment of kernel.
mod6: lol ok.
mircea_popescu: it's shocking how philosophically undedicated them folks are, 0 adherence to any kind of principle or anything whatsoever.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they were forced mistake, via x86ism . without something like modules, you get to pick b/w a) kernel that runs on ONE box, and that's until you change a card b) a 500MB liquishit pot
mircea_popescu: mod6 you realise this, your original v actually worked out in practice as major pivot improving v significantly from notion to item.
asciilifeform: 'kernel is this ONE item, and fuckyou' worx when you get to standardize the iron. and not otherwise.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd have preferred much more exposed parameters/configs than "modules", for instance.
asciilifeform: ( and even crapple iirc is stuck maintaining several versions of theirs, because different editions of iron )
mircea_popescu: a "module" is a braindamaged half-way implementation of a compiled configfile.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that'd be (b)500MB of shit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i prefer my formulation, but yes, i'd have taken b.
asciilifeform: because driver under idjit x86 iron is a massive ball of ???, none of which typically generalizes to ANY other item
mircea_popescu: but at least THAT would have been exposed.
mircea_popescu: there's no benefit in playing well with idiots.
trinque recalls the sad thread where it was explained to him how the thing's a pile of recursive busses keistered in keisters
asciilifeform: for so long as buying their iron -- playing with them.
mircea_popescu: trinque 12 deep! in places
asciilifeform: <<thread trinque was referring to
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 16:31 asciilifeform: the sad thing re the iron , is that 'determine if installed, and if so, where on the bus' is often 80% of the driver !
mircea_popescu: incidentally, did we do the "single bus is idiocy, unless using alf's serialized dongle cpu, do the shit properly" thread ?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 you realise this, your original v actually worked out in practice as major pivot improving v significantly from notion to item. << thanks. it's been great to see it come to life. it's a work in progress :]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we did, possibly in the dma thread
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'multiple buses on other buses' bigger-fleas-and-little-fleas horror show is no kind of cure tho.
mircea_popescu: yeah. you were all "well, sorry it's broken" last month or w/e, but realise -- back when it was written it was ahead of the v as a concept. that it meanwhile become broken is merely because the tide raised ; but the tide raised because, in no small part, it existed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, have dedicated fucking lines. all this "oh, we have nfi what will hang off this cpu" pretense is 1980s idiocy. WE FUCKING KNOW. have dedicated netbridge ; have or not have dedicated video bridge -- YOU KNOW if you're putting or not puting a fucking vidcard in there but you don't know whether you need a bus for it or not ? gimme a fucken break!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sgi had a crossbar, it aint an unheard-of thing
mircea_popescu: 1. netbridge or no netbridge ; 2. vidbridge or no vidbrige ; 3. serial.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck, "oh we don't know what people may plug into the bus", like it's 1979 and i go around the killer micros with syringe needles.
asciilifeform: actually the correct solution is fabric
asciilifeform: i.e. cpu only knows how to speak to other cpus. and other iron is special case of 'other cpu'
mircea_popescu: whatever the fuck but this pointlessly self-crit of a spurious bottleneck.
mircea_popescu: "we didn't know how you wanted your house laid out so we put this sqm in the middle that has to be traversed FOR EVERYTHING! hope you enjoy all the copping a titfeel in your own god damned house"
asciilifeform: bus is a poverty artifact. and i will add that , most hilariously, recent items like pcie are actually implemented as ports, physically! but on the idjit x86 end EMULATE behaviour of bus !!
asciilifeform: because x86olade expects.
mircea_popescu: but we haven't been poor for thirty five years!
asciilifeform: somebody wake up and tell wintel.
mircea_popescu: fucking bullshit of the prime order.
mircea_popescu: << i think ~everyone in a "wanna run a node mostly to learn" demo is doing either that, amazon or else more obscure similaria (ohv, whatever)
a111: Logged on 2017-12-30 21:38 esthlos: jawbone2: my 2cents: get a linode with a static ip for $5/mo. for a dynamic dns, run a cron sending your local ip to the linode, and a cron to edit your dns record accordingly on the remote. for the web server, either preroute remote's 80 to some local port, or just run it on non-80
mod6 looks
shinohai: This is impressice trinque, will test and report back o7
mod6: Thanks trinque!
mod6: I'll try to find a spot to try this thing out in the next day or two.. maybe you can walk me through some of the stuff.
mod6 is looking at the musl overlay
trinque: gladly. I prefer to produce a genesis *after* the thing's been wrung through other than my own requirements.
mod6: oh for sure.
mircea_popescu: !!up zineKing
deedbot: zineKing voiced for 30 minutes.
zineKing: mircea_popescu i registered a key, still not voiced
mircea_popescu: !!rate zineKing 1 zine something
mircea_popescu: zineKing after the rating goes through in ten minutes or w/e, you will be able to voice yourself ; see
a111: Logged on 2017-12-22 06:54 mircea_popescu: Techman say /query deedbot to open a pm session ; say !!up in there to it ; then return !!v the string.
zineKing: mircea_popescu: so, real talk, do you actually believe bitcoin specifically will be the number one choice of cryptocurrency worldwide? this recent spike in price saw smaller payments made virtually impossible due to high fees
zineKing: which crypto do you think will be the defacto, go-to coin for world wide affairs?
zineKing: xmr? eth?
zineKing: the petrodollar is dying
mircea_popescu: what do you mean "will be" ?
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is inescapably and permanently the definitive word on linguistic order, which includes all monetary considerations as a minor point.
mircea_popescu: it also includes all politics.
zineKing: I am assuming, correctly or not, that at least one crypto will take the place as a world currency sooner or later, wrong or not
zineKing: okay, let me rephrase my question
zineKing: so, real talk, do you actually believe xbt specifically will be the number one choice of cryptocurrency worldwide? this recent spike in price saw smaller payments made virtually impossible due to high fees
mircea_popescu: what is xbt ?
mircea_popescu: (note the date).
zineKing: interesting
mircea_popescu: if you keep reading you will discover trilema is principally a repository of answers to questions the random idiots of "mainstream" pretend to have discovered years later and "resolve" in their usual manner.
zineKing: So, you're cryptohipsters?
a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 16:48 mircea_popescu: well, reading through what ? #trilema is the forum of the most serene republic, a terrorist organisation dedicated to the dissolution of all fiat sovereigns and the permanent barring of such nonsense in the future.
mod6: lol cryptohipsters
zineKing: I bought in at 2011, I still see xbt specifically as a currenct that is just not feasible to be rolled out globally, due to the excruciatingly slow speed and the high fees.
zineKing: currency*
mircea_popescu: well what you see things as is entirely your priviledge no ?
mircea_popescu: you can see microscope as hammer, as long as you own it.
mircea_popescu: there's that guy that saw ipad as cutting board, his fucking ipad, can do as he please.
zineKing: don't get me wrong, I'm totally onboard with the plan. But in order for a crypto to be accepted by the masses it has to be a better alternative, more efficient, than what people currently use. to me, the closest thing right now is probably ETH
mircea_popescu: what the masses "accept" has entirely no bearing.
mircea_popescu: in order for a round earth spinning around the sun to be "accepted by the masses" exactly nothing has to happen.
zineKing: Except it does, because you're talking about markets -- social constructs, made by humans
mircea_popescu: the point is bitcoin permits me to rape eth, and turn mit into a sort of ransom faucet. this doesn't go away by speaking.
mircea_popescu: i am not talking about any such thing.
mircea_popescu: lessee how this works.
mod6: anyone ever see that movie 'pi' ?
mircea_popescu: !!up zineKing
deedbot: zineKing voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: what happened ?
hanbot: mod6 that was my favorite film when i was 16 or so. i tried to watch it again recently with mixed results. still love the soundtrack though.
mod6: i haven't seen it in ages. i feel like i should watch it again.
shinohai: the banana thing i disliked
zineKing: mircea_popescu: you've intrigued me, I'll stick around for sure
mircea_popescu: soo apparently trilema includes review of requiem for a dfream, the wrestler and black swan, but NOT pi
mircea_popescu: it's the d aronofsky item from 1998 we're talking about yes ?
mod6: ya
mircea_popescu: zineKing cool ; but voice yourself
zineKing: just did
mircea_popescu: a hey wd.
zineKing: deedbot> You are now voiced in #trilema
mircea_popescu: aha. now, what's this ezine thing ?
mircea_popescu: << in other lulz, apparently the average chanster had sex twice.
mircea_popescu: incidentally mod6 if you liked pi you might also like
mircea_popescu: pretty much the same exact film, so much so i always suspected pi is a remake. hero is struggling with memory rather than insanity but otherwisw ~same sexuality, ~same magical jew, same quest for the ultimate meaning and so following.
mod6: ah, ok. thanks, will watch.
mod6: i just watched the 'pi' trailor. it indeed has been a while haha. ive got pi in the queue. might re-watch tonight yet.
mod6: ok here we go
asciilifeform liked 'pi'
mod6: alright, yeah, definiately different than i remembered it. i had completely blocked out or forgotten the jewish numerology part.
mod6: i still liked it tho. music was pretty good, brings me back. hehe
mod6: the dude's rig was very ~'11 bitcoin miner
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