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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Enjoy not all the numbers. Apparently while life may be cheap in Asia, IPs are not?
phf: asciilifeform: don't forget to bring the customary earth in a small baggy from the motherland
shinohai: This is great ... what can possibly go wrong?
diana_coman: on Centos 6.8 (64bits) trying to read fg's output from ttyUSB0 with dd hangs on most occasions (erratically it will work but I haven't figured out when exactly); at the same time, a "screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 " works perfectly fine <-- anybody knows what this is about?
diana_coman: I might add that I *did* run the stty command first ofc; AND reported settings afterwards seemed fine
mircea_popescu: diana_coman probably flow control
diana_coman: lol mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: i r halp!
diana_coman: to re-phrase the question then: does anyone know of any centos/dd-specific idea re flow control? very same tty setup works on ubuntu or xubuntu verified; to reiterate: ttyUSB0 IS set with stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 raw -echo -echoe -echok; anything else centos wants there specifically?
diana_coman: otherwise I guess I'll have to figure out what screen does exactly that it works, ugh
mircea_popescu: whats dmesg say ?
mircea_popescu: iirc centos format is (sudo) setserial blabla, it lists devices / state etc with -g
diana_coman: hm, it sees it/reports it fine as far as I can tell; pl2303 attached to ttyUSB0; ehci_hcd
mircea_popescu: i would guess, since screen sees it fine, that your problem is later in the flow. maybe the windows manager fucks it up for you ?
diana_coman: will dig some more later I guess; unless someone knows this already
mircea_popescu: does problem persist if you use the actual system tty rather than X ?
diana_coman: what X? no X on that machine, lol
mircea_popescu: then nfi, pretty bizarre.
shinohai: In CentOS I think one has to pass -ixon or -ixoff to turn flow control on/off
diana_coman: shinohai, that seems to be a bit closer but not yet solved: added -ixoff and next run of dd went fine but then it was stuck again; turned on and off again and it was still just hanging so simply reset on that was not enough either; something is weird there
diana_coman: hmm, maybe ixany too, lemme see
shinohai: Indeed .... been a long time since I messed with CentOS so I may be wrong here ....
diana_coman: no, still hanging, ugh
diana_coman: guess I'll go through the full list and at least see if there is anything that might help
diana_coman: eh, raw actually includes -ixoff and -ixany so no wonder that did not do much
asciilifeform: diana_coman: gotta find out how your setup differs from that of mod6 , trinque , ben_vulpes , danielpbarron , et al
asciilifeform: diana_coman: also double-check your wiring.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, screen works on *same machine*
diana_coman: hence, more a matter of what does screen do differently
asciilifeform: what means screen works ?
diana_coman: screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 reads nicely
asciilifeform: yes it sees the tty. but FG puts out ~arbitrary~ octets (yes all 8 bits) and the tty gotta work with this without losing what it thinks is 'control chars' (0x13, 0x03, etc)
asciilifeform: screen won't tell you this
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I'm not yet even there basically; dd simply hangs
diana_coman: usually hangs
asciilifeform: when you ctrl-c , what's it say ?
asciilifeform: '0 bytes copied' ?
asciilifeform: red lamp on FG lit ? flickers ?
diana_coman: one in x runs of dd will even actually copy something
diana_coman: green lamp steady on, red lamp flickering just like in *another* fg that is currently purring away nicely at another machine
diana_coman: well, working, no noise
asciilifeform: switch the serial cables from one to the other
asciilifeform: b/w the working and the sad one
asciilifeform: entirely possible that you got a defective cable, i do not test the cables, only the FG
asciilifeform: ( i expect that most purchasers throw away the usb cables )
diana_coman: did a stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 -a on a working machine and on this machine, flags are same except for hupcl vs -hupcl on centos and onlcr vs -onlcr on centos; and a -cdtrdsr on centos, not mentioned on the other
asciilifeform: 1) switch the entire ensembles places
diana_coman: asciilifeform, 1. I tried already 3 other cables; unlikely all three borked
asciilifeform: 2) then switch back, and switch only the cables.
diana_coman: 2. on same cable, screen reads ...
asciilifeform: screen will not necessarily show anything if you feed it 8bit garbage
diana_coman: but it shows...something at least; why does the other one not show anything?
asciilifeform: the canonical test is dd if=/dev/yourfg | hexdump -C -v
diana_coman: I switched this whole board to yet another machine , with its cable too; there it works
diana_coman: that is an ubuntu os
diana_coman: yes, canonical hence why I'm trying to get to the bottom of this
asciilifeform: at this point i'd say that ubuntu is not a linux and explicitly unsupported...
asciilifeform: it's a fuckknowswhat
diana_coman: asciilifeform, yes, fine; trouble is it's centos where the thing is not working
asciilifeform: hm now that's odd
asciilifeform: betcha it's a buggy pl2303 driver.
asciilifeform: do you have a ftdi or other type of ttlserial cable in the house ?
asciilifeform: i picked pl2303 because it is the most afaik widely supported, but apparently not even it worx everywhere
diana_coman: hm, should have somewhere; will dig and try I guess
shinohai: !!up collarmeslut
deedbot: collarmeslut voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: Welcome collarmeslut
shinohai: Well how do you expect to get collared, slut, if you don't say anything?
BingoBoingo: Have your tried plugging it into your rs-232 port shinohai?
shinohai: wassat BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: Your serial port, you know so she can speak through
phf: diana_coman: you can also try ``cu -l /dev/ttyUSB0 -s 115200'' since that doesn't take over the terminal AND if it works, you should be able to paste ``strace cu...'' output from which we can figure out what system calls that thing did before touching the device
asciilifeform: phf: i suspect this will do 0, in buggy pl2303 driver i encountered, it's the bandwidth and flowcontrol setttings that didn't take. but other than that adapter behaves normally
asciilifeform: which in the case of FG means worse-than-useless
asciilifeform: ( will pass through some bits, but at fraction of rated bandwidth and PATTERNED crapola )
asciilifeform: i've been thinking for entire year what is to be done about this, but have conceived of no solution other than THROW AWAY BROKEN OS OMFG
phf: well, if her stty is identical to whatever screen does, she should end up in an identical broken state, i.e. getting bits from dd same way she's getting bits from screen
asciilifeform: i don't see a mention of anything ~appearing~ in diana_coman's screen -- merely that it doesn't barf from nonexistent tty
asciilifeform: diana_coman did anything appear ?
phf: i assumed by she means that there's some kind of output
a111: Logged on 2017-10-20 17:26 diana_coman: screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 reads nicely
diana_coman: asciilifeform, yes; I was trying to get that through but I'm possibly too tired for it: using screen results in constant stream of data
asciilifeform: pretty odd.
diana_coman: on the sad part it seems suitable cable not in house atm so it'll have to wait until tomorrow
phf: asciilifeform: you can have a hardware button fixed pattern: hold a button, a fixed pattern of bits come out that you use for sanity check
diana_coman: on the possibly enraging more digging turned out a known shit -difference between pl2303 and pl2303x
diana_coman: apparently uncompatible though very similar and reported same ofc etc
asciilifeform: phf: on one hand could be useful, on other -- one more piece for enemy to wedge shut or otherwise manipulate in the post
asciilifeform: for enemy, for dust, for workings of ordinary mechanical failure
asciilifeform: i dun like having rng that is physically capable of putting out nonrandom.
asciilifeform: bad enough that the cpld fw is rewritable.
diana_coman: apparently there are 2 adapters namely ps2303 and ps2303x; incompatible; same vendor id and product id though
asciilifeform: ( i'dve installed onetimefused cpld, but IT DOES NOT EXIST on the market )
diana_coman: and so this one seems to be pl2303x
diana_coman: gah, pl* not ps
diana_coman: but detected as pl2303,hence barfs
diana_coman: "the pl2303x can be distinguished from a pl2303 by checking bMaxPacketSize0 for device using lsusb -v -d 067b:2303; if bmaxpacketsize0 is 64 you probably have pl2303x"
phf: a programmer had a serial problem, "i know, i'll use usb to serial", now he had two problems
asciilifeform: phf: i fucking hate usbtoserial dongles
asciilifeform: problem is that ~nobody has an actual serial port
phf: they are basically like flash drives, 50 different branded versions of the same 5 Chinese controllers, 3 of which report same signature but behave slightly different, the other two are bugged by the agencies
asciilifeform: afaik there is not a clean solution to this, other than to burn the pc nonsense to the ground
asciilifeform: i will not make rngs that DEMAND 2way protocol and usb micro ( with the rewritable firmware nonsense ACTIVE AT ALL TIMES , and 50MB pdf of liquishit spec with holes )
asciilifeform: and i will NOT make a rng that doesn't work with msdos box
asciilifeform: so it is and will forever be a serial device, compatible with e.g. data diode.
asciilifeform: who has a box that understands plain old circa 1960s rs232 -- can use fuckgoats
asciilifeform: who does not have -- cannot.
asciilifeform: it is pretty basic 'pons asinorum' of sane hardware.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I might be wrong on this but my current understanding is that it's my machine that has the *older* rather than the "required" newer driver
BingoBoingo: In other lol: "We don´t work with colocation solutions, it´s possible we work with hosting servers?"
asciilifeform: also i'm open to shipping something other than pl2303, if anyone has suggestions. ftdi is BANNED because 1) it costs 10x moar than pl2303 2) it is american/tw 3) it has rewritable fw that cannot be disabled
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'sorry this is a tobacconist, not a colo' ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Described self as datacenter
phf: прачечная хуячечная это министерство культуры
a111: Logged on 2017-10-20 18:52 phf: a programmer had a serial problem, "i know, i'll use usb to serial", now he had two problems
mircea_popescu: teh sad truth
mircea_popescu: << where "everywhere" is one of the most widely installed web distros, at that. not even fucking obscure or anything.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-20 17:44 asciilifeform: i picked pl2303 because it is the most afaik widely supported, but apparently not even it worx everywhere
a111: Logged on 2017-10-20 18:03 deedbot: collarmeslut voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: Nothing worse than an introverted slut
mircea_popescu: all sluts are introverts.
mircea_popescu: extroverts make great dickteases.
mircea_popescu: << ahahaha. totally forgot about this shit.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-20 18:49 diana_coman: on the possibly enraging more digging turned out a known shit -difference between pl2303 and pl2303x
mircea_popescu: cuz obviously no standard can stay unembraced.
BingoBoingo: Cuntoo when?
a111: Logged on 2017-10-20 18:56 asciilifeform: who does not have -- cannot.
mircea_popescu: << you'd be fucking surprised how often this is the case. "hello sir, this is bank, it just doesn't do any banking, problem ?"
a111: Logged on 2017-10-20 19:01 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'sorry this is a tobacconist, not a colo' ?
asciilifeform: again if mircea_popescu , diana_coman , or anybody else here, wants to suggest a replacement dongle -- i'm all ears. or better yet if we didn't even ship a dongle, every machine owner has responsibility to find some way to have a working serial port, it is not properly a problem in the scope of FG
mircea_popescu: local fucktards for instance explained to me "they can't receive wires from abroad." i'm like... so got any rostipollo then ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform simmer down, what're you so irritable foar.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the dongle thing is 99++% of the fg support mail to date
asciilifeform: and i have nfi what do.
BingoBoingo: Reffer questions to the dongler? It's his profession?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this re diana_coman thread
BingoBoingo: And the other 98?
mircea_popescu: i don't expect there's much anyone can do. so far, we gather dataz.
ben_vulpes: eth kissing 0.05
shinohai: !!up sexylucy
deedbot: sexylucy voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: Hi sexylucy
sexylucy: mircea_popescu hay Bitcoin por tetas?
shinohai: Hola sexylucy .... imagino que esta ausente por el momento, puedes esperar un momento?
shinohai: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5970.0, vol: 14654.47240142 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5972.8, vol: 60631.91066838 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4251.858, vol: 0.00000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5978.0, vol: 4411.05321761 | Volume-weighted last average: 5972.57295322
shinohai: !~blocks
jhvh1: shinohai: 490883
mircea_popescu: sexylucy si que hay. b581b0a2 porfa.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-13 01:54 mircea_popescu: trinque don't sweat it, she'll do it when i tell her to, what. tomorrow, monday, whatever.
sexylucy: un momento
mircea_popescu: there you go.
mircea_popescu: sexylucy direccion de bitcoin ?
sexylucy: 1ECQ9KkhYLyaHEbB9WHqbTiUmY5w69y6S2
mircea_popescu: !!withdraw 0.02 1ECQ9KkhYLyaHEbB9WHqbTiUmY5w69y6S2
mircea_popescu: sexylucy tarda unas horas.
sexylucy: si, ok gracias
shinohai: A bot that can pay for tits, such technology :)
mircea_popescu: the future of the human race emerges ever clearer.
trinque does still owe a guide
mircea_popescu: if i dun have it i can't alter the article so they can't have to make wallets etc.\
trinque: I'm over here eagerly awaiting a printout, first non-hand-keyed withdrawal
mircea_popescu: o hey. sweet.
shinohai would be thrilled if he figured out a viable business involving deedbot/tips
ben_vulpes: just the tips?
asciilifeform: dice!!111
mircea_popescu: shinohai the good news being that the juggernaught of the republic doth daily advance, so eventually it'll come.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes dja know the romanian joke with the bloke putting in just the tip ?
shinohai: jejeje
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: no, do tell
shinohai: s/tips/tits
ben_vulpes: "#trilema: just the tits"
mircea_popescu: hawt girly at that difficult age, kinda would like kinda dun wanna. guy proposes he puts in just the head.
mircea_popescu: she eventually agress, and he fucks the living daylights out of her.
mircea_popescu: after they come to, she's like "hey, i thought you were going to put in just the head ?"
mircea_popescu: "well there's no shoulders on dick, honey."
ben_vulpes: heh mhm
trinque: bwahaha
mircea_popescu: why are they secret ?
BingoBoingo: Eh, figured someone would want surprise, but $3840/month 8kva and 2x10bps links
BingoBoingo: Located in Sao Paulo, Brazil
mircea_popescu: aha, bout same range as other one huh.
BingoBoingo: Number helpfully offered in USD to the Gringo
mircea_popescu: aite, you gonna pursue this ?
BingoBoingo: Roughly the same range, and Yeah, I don't see reason not too. Should have a bunch more numbers early next week.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-18 18:52 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes dja want an advance ?
BingoBoingo: Yeah, one would be helpful. Still probing for other costs that might try to do the surprise sex thing on my butt.
shinohai: yay buttsex
BingoBoingo: This seems to be a good time for any Lords or L2's interested in homing a box to reach out.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: hot on the advertising already
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Well when making hardware shopping list gotta have idea what people want. Do people want beefy opteron things that'll have me on a 4th rack by Sunday or do they want PCengines boards by the dozen.
asciilifeform takeoff in 30m
shinohai: Safe voyage asciilifeform and have fun!
mircea_popescu: exciting times.
mod6: indeed.
shinohai: tfw BTC hits 3 trillion dollars @ kraken
shinohai: SELL
mircea_popescu: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 6065.98, vol: 17408.47924263 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 6087.1, vol: 65906.06464691 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4251.858, vol: 0.00000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 6060.0, vol: 5057.83792347 | Volume-weighted last average: 6081.38854944
mircea_popescu: dat bitcoin crash, > ethereum
mircea_popescu: who ever could hope to pay for lulz such as these...
shinohai: Not that anything has changed in a month, but almost 0 utility for Bitcoin Crash AT ALL:
shinohai: "My drug dealer accepts Bitcoin Crash" lmfao
mircea_popescu: the thing, is, no-one ever accepts any of the alts other than as a bitcoin derivative.
mircea_popescu: it's like claiming "we accept dollars AND euros". why, because the euro's a thing now ?
mircea_popescu: "oh, sure, it has a float rate and everything". right-o.
shinohai: Meanwhile, on yours all the "Hot" articles combined total less than I could make for writing a single Qntra. (maybe 2)
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