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ben_vulpes: chinese arm of this project is taking much longer, but at least i have at least one translatorwannabe in my pipeline
asciilifeform: at the risk of repeating earlier q - what exactly does hypothetical boobytrapped switch, do ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ^
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Generates and hammers magic packets
davout: "ring the doorbell and run away giggling"
BingoBoingo: Or munge frames
davout: you're going to have the same issues upstream anyway neh?
asciilifeform: to what end ?
BingoBoingo: To what end does pantsuit do what pantsuit does?
asciilifeform: as davout said. as if it could be other than immediately obvious , if shitflood originates inside the house
BingoBoingo: And despite being immediately obvious, does that not still annoy?
asciilifeform: what a laugh it’d be - yank the thing and put in another, exhibit the boobytrapped piece publicly
asciilifeform: if only every ddos were this simple to vanish away
BingoBoingo: AHA, and hence camp out reasonable walk from rack!
davout: BingoBoingo: i guess the point is that it's going to end up being extremely costly to preemptively weed out every single annoyance you can think of
davout: kinda resonates with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726334
a111: Logged on 2017-10-18 19:08 asciilifeform: the implication also is that there is a particular kind of mistake, exemplified imho by the zeroasset corp thing in bbet, that is easy to make -- to insist that the energy be conserved at all times
asciilifeform: it is actually how usg does business , the anticipate-supposedly-all thing
asciilifeform: worx about as well as you might expect.
ben_vulpes: mind numbing waste of time and energy
BingoBoingo: Point is not "weed out all annoyances", point is make the one finite mitigation (own switch) which is less mitigation and more practice for scaling later.
asciilifeform: again -- which own
asciilifeform: i don't manufacture switches, BingoBoingo , and i have no intention of starting, it isn't a device that handles seekrits, and very literally either works or does not -- like mains cord.
asciilifeform: i'll mass produce switches some time after doing same for ordinary dc power supplies, they rank ahead in seekritude
BingoBoingo: Own in the sense I manage the settings on the appliance instead of trusting DC to not assign the task to their jolo. And at desired connection speeds switch handles the routing, unless you wanna go Cisco.
asciilifeform: what settings ?
BingoBoingo: What port gets what IP range
BingoBoingo: Maybe customer wants super anal static routing BBQ for their box?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is generally set once. and out of band.
asciilifeform: ( box has serial port )
BingoBoingo: Options for that are either have a hardware on the rack that aggregates ISP links to the DC and handles this shit, OR beat a jolo into sense.
BingoBoingo: Urethra is generally an exit, but some people are into sounding
asciilifeform: ideally dc supplies mains current and physical space, net pipe consists of leased fiber from unrelated co.
asciilifeform: running straight from street into out iron.
asciilifeform: *our
asciilifeform: this is how it was in the olden days, in the boxes asciilifeform BOFH'd over long ago.
BingoBoingo: And today fiber runs to "meet me" room or other nonesuch, then to street or sewer ditch or wherever
BingoBoingo: Or meet me room is skipped
BingoBoingo: and to street as in old days
asciilifeform: !!up ssth1
deedbot: ssth1 voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: But when exploring datacenter options, biggest obstacle is encountering Jolo the Pinoy in all nationalities. From "10 mbps to rack" to "Try this managed colo where we buy you boxes and do everything, it's just like getting 7Kva of dedicated servers but with more upsells"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i got one like that, it wanted 30bux/mo per amp (220v)
asciilifeform: i.e. space station electric price
BingoBoingo: AHA
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> <ben_vulpes> mhm; estimated as 42*.3kW << Of those 42U, 1 or 2 go to switch. Then you gotta keep a sane heat envelope lest some alf-weird cook everything and piss off the neighbors. 42U ends up turning into something like 20 servers apparently. << minus space for UPSs
asciilifeform: mod6: a civilized dc has massive central ups
asciilifeform: + gens outdoors
mod6: gens, sure. do you want to share power conditioning equip?
asciilifeform: nobody's about to fly out to swap little batteries.
mod6: would figure that would be something you would want in-cage.
asciilifeform: don't leak cpu to the mains.
mod6: switch-flippers
asciilifeform: not as if having power for extra 10min past dc losing it, does you any good
asciilifeform: ( and that's if you were to put in 2u of ups per every 1u of serverolade ! )
mod6: ok
asciilifeform: in even small corporate dc there are several ups that take up small room
asciilifeform: and outdoors -- diesels.
asciilifeform: now ! mains quality ~logger~, with independent power source -- imho deserves a 1u in any tmsr cabinet.
asciilifeform: front-facing camera, too, why not
asciilifeform: helps to keep the landlord honest.
mod6: and rear-facing, why not, right
asciilifeform: this is not unreasonable request, btw, and will filter out bozos
asciilifeform bbl
ben_vulpes: !!up Raven
deedbot: Raven voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: ohai
Guest29647: hi..
ben_vulpes: lol yeah that name has good odds of already being in use
Guest29647: Uh huh..so...what shall I do now?
Guest29647: maybe check the instructions in the mail?
ben_vulpes: pick a different name? perhaps a phonetic version of your name?
ben_vulpes: mod6: kinda interesting that your `ent` chi-squared "randomly would exceed this value XX percent of the time" always comes out to something nice and round like 25.00 or 50.00
ben_vulpes: Guest29647: start by registering a nickname with nickserv
ben_vulpes: Guest29647: type /msg nickserv help for details on that
Guest29647: let me try that..
mod6: ben_vulpes: ah, i seem to remember reading about the X^2 percentiles in knuth. mine in particular came out pretty round ya. or do you mean "your" in the general sense?
ben_vulpes: no, yours in particular
Guest29647: REGISTER Zero
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski 's are also round
ben_vulpes: Guest29647: prepend with a slash, like /register zero
mod6: i'd have to look at other's results, can't recall off the top of my head.
ben_vulpes: but that one's also going to be taken, freenode is a very busy place
ben_vulpes: heck, try raven_zero
Guest29647: Test.
ben_vulpes: mod6: for contrast this first run just came out with 80.89%
ben_vulpes: Guest29647: once you register the nick, you gotta also set it as your nick like /nick raven_zero
Guest29647: test.
Guest29647: from my viewpoint, I'm stll Guest29647.
ben_vulpes: mine too; what did nickserv tell you when you typed exactly /nick raven_zero
BingoBoingo: Guest29647 maybe go with CorvusCorone
mod6: ben_vulpes: seems fine. iirc, and i don't have the book in hand at the moment, but knuth outside certain boundaries is suspect.
mod6: might be in the logs
mod6 digs
ben_vulpes: mod6: this is from "the art of computer programming" or... ?
mod6: yah, i'll go grab the book, standby.
ben_vulpes: !up raven_zero
mod6: "If V is less than the 1% entry or greater than the 99% entry, we reject the numbers as no sufficiently random. If V lies between the 1% and 5% entries or between the 95% and 99% entries, the numbers are ``suspect'';
ben_vulpes: raven_zero: http://www.eulorum.org/Account_Setup
mod6: if (by interpolation in the table) V lies between the 5% and 10% entries, or the 90% and 95% entries, the numbers might be ``almost suspect.''" -- Knuth, The Art of Computer Programming Vol. 2, Seminumerical Algorithms pp. 46,47
ben_vulpes: mod6: yeah i think i'll just have to read this myself
mod6: There's a bunch of in-depth information in this book, I highly suggest if examining these results.
ben_vulpes: leaning on intuition here; feels odd to me that the "randomly would exceed" value is so round on so many of your test runs, but it's gotta be weakness in my statistics intuition
ben_vulpes: statistics being the thing that hoses intuition every time.
mod6: yeah, not too sure. i've also never looked at the `ent` code.
ben_vulpes: raven_zero: figuring it out?
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5596.04, vol: 18812.72167390 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5600.0, vol: 66247.61052566 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4249.0422, vol: 0.00000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5600.0, vol: 6382.03374572 | Volume-weighted last average: 5599.18529691
mod6: ima try using an ent on a different box against some of the runs that I did previously...
mod6: (just to see if I get a different value, or non-round value for X^2)
mod6: ok, just ran 2 quick tests on different box. results are very similar. different # of samples on new ones, however old|new: 25%|27.42%, 50%|53.57% respectively
mod6: originals were taken with a much older version of ent than the new.
mod6: anyway, have a good night :]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726558 << the expectation is that it will allow nsa comms, such as exfiltration in response to magic packets and the very magic packets in question.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 03:56 davout: what's an evil switch gonna do? DoS?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726566 << nope. all it takes is for one hop to filter out the strange, and the whole usg sigint collapses in a pile of magic dust.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 04:25 davout: you're going to have the same issues upstream anyway neh?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726582 << a) this is not factual. you manufacture power chord that only works or doesn't work, through eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-12#1724529 ; b) if your power chord came with special rsa analysis and also had a special "flash power when pgp is being used" switch, you'd get into manufacturing your own power chords in very short order.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 04:36 asciilifeform: i don't manufacture switches, BingoBoingo , and i have no intention of starting, it isn't a device that handles seekrits, and very literally either works or does not -- like mains cord.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-12 21:35 asciilifeform: trinque: will need, laugh if you must, 2nd inverter
mircea_popescu: proper (ie, like power chord, either works or doesn't) switch very much on the republican slate. no extant item satisfy this requirement.,
mircea_popescu: !~calc 30 / (220 * 24 * 30 / 1000)
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 30 / (220 * 24 * 30 / 1000) = 0.1893939393939394
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726602 << 19 cents to the KWh is not really space station price, considering a) electricity is 5 to 10 cents to the KWh pretty much everywhere and b) this price includes HVAC, which is for obvious reasons just about half of the cost of power.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 04:52 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i got one like that, it wanted 30bux/mo per amp (220v)
mircea_popescu: what math did you do when you decided you don't like it ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726608 << yes. it's not practical to put the gen gear next to the box.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 04:54 mod6: gens, sure. do you want to share power conditioning equip?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726622 << cameras ? what is this, some yahoo's long island pizzeria ?
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 05:01 asciilifeform: this is not unreasonable request, btw, and will filter out bozos
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726638 << this is liek, the most creative person i ever encountered. "raven" and "Zero", really ? what's next, "hacker" ? "internet" ?
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 05:27 Guest29647: REGISTER Zero
ben_vulpes: i think we've had a few threads in re creativity in the eastern empire
mircea_popescu: :p
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726670 << clearly you're getting rounded somewhere
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 06:30 mod6: ok, just ran 2 quick tests on different box. results are very similar. different # of samples on new ones, however old|new: 25%|27.42%, 50%|53.57% respectively
ben_vulpes just had an exciting; apparently closed the flue a bit too soon/didn't give the fireplace enough time to self-extinguish and the co detectors went off
ben_vulpes: however new residence has a "whole house fan", and so exhausting all interior gasses was a trivial exercise
mircea_popescu: did i recount that event when nude girly at the stove farted and the gas detector immediately blew a fuse ?
ben_vulpes: bwah no
ben_vulpes: figurative fuse?
ben_vulpes: !!key ssth1
deedbot: Not registered.
mircea_popescu: mortified noob had to endure the humiliation of me having to actually go outside reset the gas line
ben_vulpes: !!key raven_zero
deedbot: Not registered.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no, see, the super-safe way is to have a detector by the burners that cuts the gas line if stimulated.
mircea_popescu: this had the stove and the heater close together and so it made sense, if you got a leak it's there.
ben_vulpes: ah i see; i was thinking about little glass amp-rated tubes
ben_vulpes: or figuratively, "blew a gasket"
ben_vulpes: why not make her reset gas line?
mircea_popescu: yeah. same principle, but for gas rather than electricity. there's a special button by the main derivation that resets the flow
mircea_popescu: well for one thing she had no idea how/where, i never saw the item installed anywhere else in that country.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it was the lulz of all time
mircea_popescu: "but i'm not even a vegetarian!"
ben_vulpes: vegetarians have terrible internal flora, can confirm
jurov: shinohai: ack
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726670 << looks typical
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 06:30 mod6: ok, just ran 2 quick tests on different box. results are very similar. different # of samples on new ones, however old|new: 25%|27.42%, 50%|53.57% respectively
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726673 << that was what i didn't and still don't grasp : what exactly can enemy exfiltrate from a boobytrapped ~switch~ ( it ain't a firewall, it's a dumb switch) that he cannot get from his upstream tap ??
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 07:03 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726558 << the expectation is that it will allow nsa comms, such as exfiltration in response to magic packets and the very magic packets in question.
asciilifeform: if you have a pair of racked boxes that gotta talk seeekritly to ~one another~, don't connect them via the switch, connect directly with crossover cable ( this is what the spare nics quality boxen ship with, are for )
asciilifeform: or alternatively asciilifeform's philosophy -- i.e. packets that leave your nics, are to be considered public
asciilifeform: ( want non public? is what crypto is for, switch is not a trusted piece of equip )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726675 << 'filter out the strange' is the naive usg av 'industry' nonsense. a half decent diddletron neither produces nor consumes any 'strange', and 'magic packet' will consist of , e.g., lubyization of 10,000 ordinary packets' timing
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 07:07 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726566 << nope. all it takes is for one hop to filter out the strange, and the whole usg sigint collapses in a pile of magic dust.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726680 << i'd like a republican chair to sit in too!111 switch, however, if you want GB or above -- does require making own silicon if you want it to meaningfully differ from the extant items . fpga won't cut it clockwise.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 07:10 mircea_popescu: proper (ie, like power chord, either works or doesn't) switch very much on the republican slate. no extant item satisfy this requirement.,
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726688 < it costs next-to-nothing and trigger when sees motion, which in a locking cage it should never by surprise
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 07:18 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726622 << cameras ? what is this, some yahoo's long island pizzeria ?
asciilifeform: i see it as worth something, to be able to immediately distinguish , e.g., a dead hdd, from a stolen hdd .
asciilifeform: and to know if uninvited guests have been inside the cage.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726711 << this is unknown in usa: too much high tech! instead, and only in earthquake states, and only in ~some~ towns, they issue... wrenches, with which one is expected to close the valve outside the ruins of your house, as you climb from the rubble
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 08:05 mircea_popescu: yeah. same principle, but for gas rather than electricity. there's a special button by the main derivation that resets the flow
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726677 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726583
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 07:09 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726582 << a) this is not factual. you manufacture power chord that only works or doesn't work, through eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-12#1724529 ; b) if your power chord came with special rsa analysis and also had a special "flash power when pgp is being used" switch, you'd get into manufacturing your own power chords in very short order.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 04:37 asciilifeform: i'll mass produce switches some time after doing same for ordinary dc power supplies, they rank ahead in seekritude
asciilifeform: isolating ps for rackmounts, could easily be a product
asciilifeform: this functionality belongs ~in~ the box, where more difficult for 'guests' to monkey with, not in cords and bottoms of cabinets.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726683 << this figure is correct, but on the high end of the typical price range.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 07:14 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726602 << 19 cents to the KWh is not really space station price, considering a) electricity is 5 to 10 cents to the KWh pretty much everywhere and b) this price includes HVAC, which is for obvious reasons just about half of the cost of power.
asciilifeform finally eaten the l0gz
mod6: mornin
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726670 << clearly you're getting rounded somewhere << yeah.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 06:30 mod6: ok, just ran 2 quick tests on different box. results are very similar. different # of samples on new ones, however old|new: 25%|27.42%, 50%|53.57% respectively
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726670 << looks typical << aha. i think im going to re-run them all with the newer `ent` and post those results as well. unless, people think it's redundant or not required.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 06:30 mod6: ok, just ran 2 quick tests on different box. results are very similar. different # of samples on new ones, however old|new: 25%|27.42%, 50%|53.57% respectively
asciilifeform: mod6: 'ent' has only 1 virtue vs dieharder -- it's quick
asciilifeform: really it is good for finding catastrophically broken rng, and no moar
mod6: makes sense.
asciilifeform: ( a shit rng that fools ent is much easier to build, even by accident, than same vs dieharder )
asciilifeform: ent will show if you have, say, stuck bits, or repeating bytes, or even all zeroes etc.
asciilifeform: ( from , say, misconfigured serial port -- guaranteed to show these symptoms )
asciilifeform: relatedly, i very much wish that pc had a simple ( no stateful usb liquishit) ~synchronous~ port
asciilifeform: but it does not.
asciilifeform: parallel port was adequate. but no recent boxes have'em and the usb paralleldongles never worked ( they were specific to printers, those have buffers, usb doesn't really give you realtime synchronism )
asciilifeform: ( nitpicker could reply : 'but what about isosynchronous usb mode ?' -- it's liquishit, unsupported by most interface ics you can get, and specifically disclaims any guarantee of packet delivery. used for, e.g., usb soundcard. )
asciilifeform: i'ma put a likbez in the l0gz, for fyootor folx : here's ordinary rs232, at ttl signal level, (noninverted), transmitting a 10000010 :
asciilifeform: ```\_/`\_________/`\_/```
asciilifeform: ....s 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 s
asciilifeform: ( first s is start bit, which is always 0; second s is stop bit, always 1 )
asciilifeform: thing is 'self-clocking', which is why you gotta set a baud rate, and they are standard )
asciilifeform: now let's do same byte, synchronous :
asciilifeform: ```\_/`\_/`\_/`\_/`\_/`\_/`\_/`\_/`\_/`\ <-- clock
asciilifeform: _____/`\_____________________/`\________ <-- data
asciilifeform: ......1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0
asciilifeform: ~fin~
asciilifeform: needs 2 wires, but no longer matters at what rate, within physical limits, you clock it.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726715 << we were also making a lot of cow/herbivore jokes at the time.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 08:10 ben_vulpes: vegetarians have terrible internal flora, can confirm
mircea_popescu: incidentally re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726309 : i suppose it's obvious that teh republic, between wot, forum and the new deedbot beats silicon valley way the fuck out of the water. what angel list, what y combinator, why would i, or any thinking man, bother.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-18 18:54 ben_vulpes: what would the terms be?
asciilifeform: btw phf your logtron mangles these, because variablewidthfont. readers should paste above item into a civilized terminal to read.
asciilifeform: ( or read phf's log on lynx etc )
asciilifeform: ohai mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: hola!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726719 << here's model : intel box B behind cisco switch S. NSA N sends magic packet M. S notices packet it received does not match rules operator O set ; S notices M matches rules N baked in and so S lets packet M pass in spite of this breaking its submission to O. B receives packet M, acts accordingly, breaking its submission to O. perhaps B also responds, with packet M'. S notices M' does
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 13:11 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726673 << that was what i didn't and still don't grasp : what exactly can enemy exfiltrate from a boobytrapped ~switch~ ( it ain't a firewall, it's a dumb switch) that he cannot get from his upstream tap ??
mircea_popescu: not match rules operator O set ; S notices M' matches rules N baked in and so S lets packet M' pass.
mircea_popescu: need I now do the S' case ?
asciilifeform: no this makes sense, but seems to describe a diddled router/fw, rather than switch
mircea_popescu: i suspect the pure switch you have in mind is a 1980s period item
asciilifeform: i have one here, lol!
asciilifeform: a GB/s no less
mircea_popescu: ok, but by now they're all "intelligent".
asciilifeform: separate iron box from router
mircea_popescu: think like a phone.
asciilifeform: ugh
mircea_popescu: anyway, maybe all is an overstatement, but you get the idea i think.
asciilifeform: while we're on subj, the infamous 'ont catalogue' featured not only boobytrapped routers etc but... ethernet jacks with 'intelligence', boobied cables
mircea_popescu: and video cables iirc.
asciilifeform: any object supplied by randos can theoretically be 'alive'.
asciilifeform: aha, theremin-style rf tap
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform simple pill for the ethernet, cut and crimp.
mircea_popescu: i teach teh slavegirls, it's part of the basic curriculum.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform met a fella who claimed to have designed the nsa-usbjack boobytrap ( i did not believe him )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most elderly folx like asciilifeform cut their own cablez aha
asciilifeform: ( buy bobbin, buy plugs etc )
mircea_popescu: well that's what i'm saying, there's even teenaged sluts doing it nowadays. perhaps for the first time in internet history, at that!
mircea_popescu: terrorism prevails.
asciilifeform: you dun even need literacy : the strands are helpfully coloured
mircea_popescu: yup.
mircea_popescu: (one amusing result was one girl painted her toenails thusly. NOBODY noticed.)
asciilifeform pictures this !
mod6: haha
mircea_popescu: "what was at that hacker club thing ?" "a bunch of idiots ?" "whence can you tell ?" "i painted my toenails utp style. everyone wanted to talk of me, nobody thought ot mention it."
phf: it's such a toxic color scheme, you'd think somebody will notice.
asciilifeform: maybe the extra 2 fingers, threw'em off, lol
mircea_popescu: ikr ? esp cause it takes all the half-whites and shit. and besides, where do geeks look when trying to think of something to say to girl ? yep, you've guessed it, toes!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe. tho pinky toe nails are tiny anyway.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726724 << as far as i know (and what i don't know in this town ain't worth knowing) there's not at present any lubby deployed in usgistan internet "intelligence".
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 13:18 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726675 << 'filter out the strange' is the naive usg av 'industry' nonsense. a half decent diddletron neither produces nor consumes any 'strange', and 'magic packet' will consist of , e.g., lubyization of 10,000 ordinary packets' timing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: every once in a while, they beg/buy/borrow/steal something authored by actual people
asciilifeform: like chukcha and his geologist's flashlight
mircea_popescu: too hard to use.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726728 << i know of no place which offers proper mounts for this. because understand, there's no ad-hoc anything on dc floor.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 13:23 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726688 < it costs next-to-nothing and trigger when sees motion, which in a locking cage it should never by surprise
mircea_popescu: not necessarily a bad idea, but afaik nobody put it into the floor design.
mircea_popescu: ianae, maybe there's places where they'll mount your camera opposite if you ask. i wouldn't really add it to the disqualifier list.
asciilifeform: you put it in a standard 1u box, wat.
mircea_popescu: and pray for a transparent cabinet door and available fixed location and nobody placing a sticker in front of it ?
asciilifeform: no particular reason for it to look adhoc or in any way unusual.
asciilifeform: if it's ~your~ cabinet, you know its geometry and where box sits, neh.
mircea_popescu: what i'm saying is that i don;t know this being part of the design.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what is this, are you being an alien. the eyes in your own box don't see your mouth in your own box do they ?
asciilifeform: it'd be part of any design where asciilifeform fills a cabinet with own hands and locks the door.
asciilifeform: idea is not 'magical camera, catches everything' but to turn the enemy's own psychosis against himself : now ~any~ ventilation hole, in any side of any iron, could theoretically be pinhole cam.
mircea_popescu: eh get out.
asciilifeform: they're what, a $1.
mircea_popescu: "enemy" is too dumb to stop shitting in its own mouth.
mircea_popescu: see also http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/ or http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1725084 etc
a111: Logged on 2017-10-13 17:47 mircea_popescu: but anyway, apparently taking a few heads here and there creates exactly no conception of own vulnerability in the rest of the heads.
asciilifeform: build for smart enemy.
asciilifeform: universe came with afaik no guarantee that enemy is dumb.
phf: fight the enemy you have, not the enemy you want :)
mircea_popescu: actually, it does, yes. that's what the republic is : the construction of the guarantee that if enemy exists, he is dumb.
asciilifeform: in other reichlulz, 'Marlène Schiappa, France’s gender equality minister (yes, that’s a thing), has proposed putting forward a bill in parliament that would fine people for engaging in street harassment — including aggressive catcalls.'
shinohai: https://send.firefox.com/ <<< we promise to never, ever, EVER look at your private keys. Probably.
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the french have this communist issue. nato or no nato, during the 70s it had gotten so bad they were not even included in intel briefing.
asciilifeform: betcha a phuctor-flavoured www that invites idjit to 'insert privkey for inspection for weak' would get ~something~ in the basket at the end of the day
mircea_popescu: depends. would it have been featured on the atlantic ?
asciilifeform: if in beobachter, million keys
asciilifeform: if in sturmer, prolly still handful
asciilifeform: same people as insert their bank acct # to 'check if stolen'
mircea_popescu: lol. that's an easy enough site to make, only need one branch implemented. "yes."
mircea_popescu: anyway. ~nobody has a rsa key.
asciilifeform: dun have to be an rsa key for this, neh
asciilifeform: funnel happily eats whatever key.
mircea_popescu: fax me a hallibut!
phf: "TypeError: undefined is not an object (evaluating 'window.crypto.subtle.generateKey')" well there's that..
shinohai: Anyone here know if this might be a useful box? https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/sys/d/mac-prox28ghz-8-cores-10gb/6352402994.html
shinohai: owner offered Btc discount, I may try to scrape up if so
trinque: just a couple generations back intel mac
shinohai: https://atlanta.craigslist.org/eat/sys/d/150-mh-rx-470-ethereum-mining/6352367772.html <<< lulzy post from same
shinohai likes the high-tech boxfan cooling system
phf: shinohai: i suspect you're paying a bit of premium for various audio junk on that mac box and the whole "production ready"
mircea_popescu: !!gettrust madeline
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
shinohai: Thanks for advice. Fellow also has a Optiplex 3050 for sale.
shinohai: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5667.73, vol: 11751.24920886 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5660.0, vol: 44617.90902337 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4257.4896, vol: 0.00000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5671.7, vol: 4363.3678099 | Volume-weighted last average: 5662.33628616
mircea_popescu: and in other wowz, check out felipelalli : https://yeppudaproductions.wordpress.com/2016/02/05/a-importancia-do-bitcoin-otc-wot/
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-job-board/ << Trilema - The Job Board
mircea_popescu: aaand in other public speaking, http://78.media.tumblr.com/fd52e61509cb29720d1dc1f550c49997/tumblr_nmnvgglu9v1tatbbfo1_500.gif
shinohai: Good to see females that have control of the mic
mircea_popescu: in a manner of slurping.
mircea_popescu: btw asciilifeform re http://trilema.com/2011/un-defect-romanesc/ didja in your journey trhough romanian learnings run into that dude's blog ?
asciilifeform: yes !
mircea_popescu: ha.
asciilifeform: he had a page about the 'drum bun' army march
asciilifeform: which i ran across on a ww2 ro kick
mircea_popescu: i always thoiught his "still more romanian than you" byline was lulzy.
asciilifeform: >> https://kingofromania.com/2010/04/22/expression-of-the-day-drum-bun << subj
mircea_popescu: "If you speak English and see the expression drum bun your mind conjures up a musical instrument for striking out rhythms combined with some kind of light bread style pastry and it makes NO SENSE." << bwahahaha
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whLVaIisZP0 << subj x2
mircea_popescu: in similar lulz, the badea cirtan market in timisoara was officially known as "bad curtain".
asciilifeform: and yes i pictured, unavoidably , a drum
asciilifeform: lol!!
asciilifeform: that's almost as good as 'bread of the sieve cable' <-> 'бред сивой кобылы'
mircea_popescu: aqhahaha
mircea_popescu: ftr, i never liked that one march, wtf bs it is.
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i87mk0Uzivo << moar properly german stuffs.
asciilifeform: american occupation soldiers in jp were taught, Officially, to say 'don't touch the moustache' <-> どういたしまして (dou itashimashite) - 'you're welcome'
asciilifeform: oh hey is there a ro incarnation of the ubiqutous ww2 'song of the devil' ?
asciilifeform: i know of version in fr, sp, portuguese, italian, even english
asciilifeform: but is there a ro ?
mircea_popescu: now this i don;t know.
mircea_popescu: marschiert in feindesland ?
asciilifeform: aha it
mircea_popescu: if there is i dunno it.
asciilifeform: apparently still marched to in modern bundeswehr...
mircea_popescu: well fiend just means enemy.
asciilifeform: well yes
asciilifeform: mega-song, there's even a ru
asciilifeform: shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726851 << that thing is worth 200buxorz max ( and that's if in museum condition )
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 16:16 shinohai: Anyone here know if this might be a useful box? https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/sys/d/mac-prox28ghz-8-cores-10gb/6352402994.html
mircea_popescu: but the relation is apt, the whole drum bun is quite it, "may you make it back out" sorta thing.
mircea_popescu: in other "independence" lulz, https://kingofromania.com/2017/08/02/rogozin-vs-romania/
asciilifeform: 'nobody in Romania uses Twitter' << srsly?!
mircea_popescu: well... the 20something hos tried in the early 2010s, which is how i ended up sucked in.
mircea_popescu: afaik didn't get too far.
mircea_popescu: so an exaggeration, but not that substantial. like saying "nobody in the us uses yahoo mail"
asciilifeform: and what does d00d have to do to get Officially banned from eu ?
mircea_popescu: be part of ru govt, afaik.
asciilifeform: lol!
mircea_popescu: hey, the euros are retarded. they end up footing the bill for usg red pseudomilitary adventures in the middle east via hosting refugees (hey, when's the last time anyone sent 10 mn syrians to live in new fucking york, instead of germany, france etc ?) and for usg blue pseudodiplomatic misadventure in the shape of paying more for gas, selling less machinery and total real estate collapse because no more russki suckers to buy u
mircea_popescu: p the "valuable" resorts.
asciilifeform: they signed up for this when swallowed the usg occupation cock in '45.
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "signed up". greeks signed up for repaying debts when they took money, lol.
mircea_popescu: euros are retarded is all.
asciilifeform: signed up the way d00d who steps off cliff, signs up to splat
mircea_popescu: not in the slightest.
mircea_popescu: signed up in the way afghan signed up to use us provided weapons to defend "us interests".
asciilifeform: when you ~disband own army and instead invite in million austrogot^H^H^H^H^american d00dz instead...
mircea_popescu: yes ?
mircea_popescu: venice had no standing army. charles came and as he came he went.
asciilifeform: standing armies in today's sense did not exist in time of venice
mircea_popescu: of course they did.
asciilifeform: where ?
mircea_popescu: turks had them, for instance.
asciilifeform: hm possibly
asciilifeform: afaik nobody else tho ?
mircea_popescu: it's complicated with a matter of relative sizes and holy roman provinces, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: there was such a thing as a professional solider, let's put it this way. as a class.
asciilifeform: these yes, landsknecht et al
mircea_popescu: "Therefore, it’s pretty obvious that a handful of Moldovan avitation enthusiasts were better informed and had a better grasp of the strategic situation than the entire Romanian government."
mircea_popescu: heh.
asciilifeform: https://kingofromania.com/2017/08/09/why-do-romanians-hate-and-fear-russia/ << in other lulz from link
mircea_popescu: come to think i actually like this guy. asciilifeform see if he wants to join ? does he have a contact ?
asciilifeform: i suspect mircea_popescu might have much better result if he, famous ro d00d, writes
mircea_popescu: but mircea_popescu also doesn't have an email.
asciilifeform: hmm
asciilifeform: https://kingofromania.com/2015/11/22/the-odessa-tales-pt-2/ << asciilifeform found interesting.
asciilifeform: in other lollamatics, https://kingofromania.com/2014/02/08/with-friends-like-these-who-needs-enemies/ >> 'With Basescu’s personal and enthusiastic blessing, the FBI operates a field office in Bucharest with dozens of agents' etc
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: also cluj was for a time hungarian, i had nfi
mircea_popescu: https://kingofromania.com/2014/02/06/lethal-ignorance/ << lulz of all fucking time, romanian emergency airflight authority can't convert decimal to traditional lng/lat notation.
asciilifeform: oh hey mircea_popescu had an article !
asciilifeform: about this incident
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform transylvania, all of it, is the largest part of both the kingdom of hungary and the kingdom of romania. it was part of both for about equal intervals, and also independent for a while
asciilifeform: or was that another avoidable crash
mircea_popescu: i think it was a different one.
asciilifeform: 'STS = roughly equivalent to a combination of the American NSA and NRO, the STS also manages the emergency number (112) dispatch centers' >> waiwat
mircea_popescu: serviciul de telecomunicatii speciale.
asciilifeform: nsa certainly does not such thing tho
mircea_popescu: he's correct, it's just about it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform of course it does ?
asciilifeform: nsa + fire department ?!
mircea_popescu: well...
asciilifeform: nsa dun have a 'we need urgent gasenwagen!111' phone hotline afaik
asciilifeform pictures this
mircea_popescu: they "create" the "environment" for "Government digital communications". ie, like nsa issues trump a smarthphone, sms issued my mother an email or w/e.
mircea_popescu: relevant, http://trilema.com/2010/reverse-dns/#selection-155.1-152.3
mircea_popescu: but yes, back to it, by the time tmsr has its own isp it will have become more of an actual country than say romania. the eu member.
asciilifeform: 'Romania fucked up literally everything in World War 2. They lost Transylvania to their allies. The Romanian government hated Jews, tried to exterminate them, but then realized that their economy couldn’t survive without them. '
asciilifeform: how did that last part work
mircea_popescu: dja know that ancient joke that if you hear a hungarian speaking foreign languages you know he's a jew ?
asciilifeform: aha?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2010/romanul-si-comertul/#selection-25.0-25.256 topic
mircea_popescu: i have never met in my entire life an ethnic romanian who was a competent merchant. not once, not one, not ever.
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz of all time, a terribly bad test "for fascism" gives me 43%, ie fellow-traveller status.
mircea_popescu: apparently if you're a free market individualist without any regard for "the state", you're suspekt. news at 11 i guess.
ben_vulpes: you wanna hear about fascism; fuckin irs wants spousal consent for electing to treat a certain corporation a certain way
mircea_popescu: o.O
ben_vulpes: DON'T SIGN THE PAPERS
mircea_popescu: im kinda hoping they reintroduce the "village community". want you to buy a car, ask first the мир for permission.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: elaborate ?
ben_vulpes: "baby, it is moments like this that i sincerely regret not just signing a declaration and broadcasting it to the republic"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes at least name it Preemptive Asset Hiding Corporation For Use In Later Divorce Proceedings To Circumvent Governmental Attempts At Nationalization And Assorted Activist Judge Idiocy And Also To Make Sure The Dumb Fucking Whore And Her Repugnant Spawn Fucking Starve, Inc.
ben_vulpes: fuckin lol
ben_vulpes: i need a fiatcorp to make that happen like i need an uncooled 42u cabinet
mircea_popescu: yes, but let the empire of Named Things carry its own struggles.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "in some circumstances", when electing to treat an llc as s-corp, irs demands spousal consent
mircea_popescu: those circumstances being that they are so fucking touchy about woman not getting all that she possibly could alloted her by divorce court.
asciilifeform: https://kingofromania.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/royalewithcheese.jpg << lol
mircea_popescu: ew
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ianal but i was under the impression that anything within nato reich with yer name on it somewhere, is Officially confiscatable
asciilifeform: corps or no corps
ben_vulpes: well duh, but wife's signature to change tax status?
asciilifeform: aha hilarious in light of above. why would it matter what type of corp.
ben_vulpes: next they'll want wife's signature to lease hookers
trinque: pretty sure it's state by state, that
asciilifeform: but, horrors, what if you haven't got a wife! whatthen!
ben_vulpes: in tangential lulz, one of the "children rescused in fbi child trafficking sting", touted as an "18 month old, rescued from sex trafficking!" was in fact hooker's baby and is now a state ward
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes from experience i find the girls pick much better hookers than i do.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: no doubt, but statal mandate that wife picks hookers?!
mircea_popescu: hey, turkey had it.
mircea_popescu: or wait, actually, was ... previous guy's wife.
mircea_popescu: with any luck, your own mother.
asciilifeform: if you're a sultan
trinque: ah son of a bitch, texas is a "community property" state too
mircea_popescu: trinque loller.
asciilifeform: trinque: wassat ?
mircea_popescu: the whole fucking point of marriage is community property. whadda ya want
trinque: says your frou owns half of what you earn over the course of marriage
asciilifeform: only half?!
mircea_popescu: actually it says that a) marriage is a corporation in which b) each spouse owns 50% and c) unless specifically excepted prior, all income of either party is assigned to it.
mircea_popescu: this should be taught in "civil class" or w/e they call it in hs. but in any case -- don['t mary below your station, what.
asciilifeform: i knew a d00d who ended up in this typical meat grinder : he supplied 100% of the income, she -- 100% of the debt
asciilifeform: guess which number had moar zeros in front.
ben_vulpes still extracting ongoing dowry payments
mircea_popescu: hey, a slim minority of the girls actually market their own produce to the point of obtaining cash for it. i see no serious problems with this situation.
ben_vulpes: buy 'em, own 'em, fuck 'em, put 'em to work.
mircea_popescu: i don't credit the "oh, marketing is the only employee with ROI, everyone else just contributes to costs, marketing contributes to revenue". somebody's gotta make the shit you package and sell.
mircea_popescu: similarily, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-21#1026639
a111: Logged on 2015-02-21 01:19 mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash"
asciilifeform: sooooo recently asciilifeform bought a 1990s-style electrodictionary for a language . and like any 1990s gadget, it also 'is a phone book, and organizer' and other misc rubbish , and this rubbish functionality required a DIFFERENT calibre of watch battery from the 2 main 3v cells. and would whine that 'memory batt low' etc, while draining main cells in MINUTES after insertion:
asciilifeform: took thing apart, found that the main cells DRAIN THROUGH THE BACKUP
asciilifeform: and removal of the latter turns it, suddenly, into a usable item...
asciilifeform: chinese design ftw.
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: it was a serious wtf moment
asciilifeform: this was actual mass-market product
asciilifeform: with schoolboy-level bug
asciilifeform: in pcb , no less
asciilifeform: i pawed through the manual , looking for a 'do not install backup mem batt, we put that hole in while drunk' but found nope.
mircea_popescu: maybe it was added while drunk
asciilifeform: i can't think of any explanation that doesn't involve substances.
asciilifeform: funnily enough it does NOT complain 'batt low' when REMOVED
mircea_popescu: https://kingofromania.com/2014/12/03/the-curious-case-of-the-100-thousand/ << this is a delicious exercise in ignorance (from the same guy that's very carefully angered by the notion of beating women, o golly!).
mircea_popescu: tl;dr dood who knows when automobile was invented "can not see" how 100k people could have travelled "in the cold" of early december over "long distances" and "what they would have eaten".
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding that this is the 1900s, whereas peopel routinely travelled large distances in the cold and ate just five five centuries prior, and before that. because a) the cart of the time was intended as and functioned as a whole-family-mover, which is exactly how oregon trail happened ; and because the grain->bread and corn->mamaliga cycle permit something to the tune of 2mn calories per ton, ie enough to feed a family o
mircea_popescu: f 10 for most of a year.
mircea_popescu: and so following.
asciilifeform: ww1 features 100s'k of folx happily moving ~on foot~
asciilifeform: so what's the mystery here
mircea_popescu: but whatever, "i can't see how people travelled before they had electric cars or why would a wife benefit from the occasional beating"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nfi.
asciilifeform: most of ww2 red army moved also on foot
asciilifeform: and on both sides many moar horses than truck
asciilifeform: and everybody ate, and it is not mega-mystery what they ate and how...
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's a case of "i came up with this theory which is mine".
asciilifeform: theories generally oughta pass laugh test imho
mircea_popescu: what pantsuit theory passes laugh test ?
mircea_popescu: they're a humourless lot.
shinohai: http://archive.is/ICNd9 <<< I'd almost bet 1 BTC some redditard suggests they put this on "The Ethereum blockchain!!!" and it wouldn't happen.
mircea_popescu: loller
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, ugh, that guy always stank to me of americanism of the most annoying sort; and this "how could they have travelled" is precisely of that sort; "oh noes, how can one WALK a MILE???"
mircea_popescu: he has the original well researched revisionist piece.
mircea_popescu: basically, every time he doesn't use his own gut feelings, he's tolerably in the vicinty of truth.
mircea_popescu: has the occasional* not original i mean.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the arguments he presents don't work -- travel is much more likely in a country devastated by war than in one stable. in the latter case people feed themselves by tending to their crops ; but if no crops, they feed themselves by... GOING TO THE MARKET.
mircea_popescu: and 1910 romanian market is NOT fucking walmart, but "that place where we have reason to suspect more other people will come".
diana_coman: that might be I guess; he certainly does write at least more than the 100 words thrown at the blank page half-randomly, certainly; not so sure if there is anything more than that
mircea_popescu: this is how pre-modern commerce works.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and 1910 romanian market is NOT fucking walmart, but "that place where we have reason to suspect more other people will come". << Well, that's sorta what walmart is in a more retarded fashion
diana_coman: maybe he suggests he would sit and starve because... no car?
mircea_popescu: i suppose, yeah.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman well for his good fortune he's married to some local chick, so i expect he'd just you know.
mircea_popescu: do what she fucking tells him to.
asciilifeform: wait d00d is american?!
mircea_popescu: yes.
asciilifeform: that'd explain buncha things
mircea_popescu: indeed.
asciilifeform: so he's the... ro version of 'otaku' ?!
mircea_popescu: well, it's a large country. richer than the us per capita, and certainly culturally stronger. so...
mircea_popescu: yeah, i suppose so.
asciilifeform: nuts
asciilifeform: rotaku
phf: i think i heard it called a "cultural honkey"
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, guess so, huh; he'd find out quickly "how is it possible" lol
phf: i.e. wigger, otaku, etc
asciilifeform: roaboo
asciilifeform: ( or see generic 'xenopatriot' pg on dramatica or was it the ru one )
hanbot: Untill and unless I / Until
hanbot: ^ in latest trilema, i mean, mircea_popescu
BingoBoingo: I thought thos were synonyms
hanbot: they're syllollyms
BingoBoingo: AeohAOH!
mircea_popescu: aty\
hanbot: anyway having spent a few years fulfilling copywriting specs i'll admit a fair amount of the work was absorbed in weighing whether a given spec-producer seemed likely to pull the penny-revision stuff
mircea_popescu: heh
diana_coman: asciilifeform I guess I can vouch now for FG being "safe for kids" - 5 yo spotted one on my desk and asked the usual ton of questions BUT he figured out by himself that "it has a manual too, look!"
mircea_popescu: lol!
shinohai: "I am disappoint Mom, took this out to pasture and it did not fuck goat"
diana_coman: aha, try explaining to a 5 yo what that is and what it does...
diana_coman: ahaha shinohai
mod6: haha
shinohai: o hai mod6
mod6: how goes shinohai!
shinohai: Toiling away in Eulora here, u?
phf: diana_coman: did you also explain the logo?
mod6: shinohai: werd. about to log back in actually & checkout the mining today
shinohai: sweet
diana_coman: phf, neah, he ignored the logo entirely
phf: asciilifeform: i wanted to add your mpi to btcbase patches, but realized that it's not a valid vpatch, since it doesn't have a genesis. i'll add an exception to mechanisms (right now it just 404's and all kinds of broken, basically), but!
phf: fwiw current patches convention is that genesis-less vpatch is rendered as a purple box with an arrow coming in, e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=deprecated but when it's only one it's not working
phf: diana_coman: right, i guess it doesn't have any symbolic value, when there's no underlying concept associated with it
diana_coman: phf, quite; basically "white squiggles" from his point of view atm really; he noticed the letters, yes, because those he recognises as symbols but otherwise in any case, screws and cables way more interesting
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Do you routinely take hime to the good playgorund (i.e. the hardware store)?
BingoBoingo: In other joys found http://www.buildablade.com/bb-itx96.htm
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, not yet hardware store as such, no; he does get to see though anything that is going on (computers being operated on included), he does get to help with anything that he is able to atm and he does get to assemble his own stuff (the most recent of which is a fully functional water pump model thing that kept him busy for days as per http://www.dianacoman.com/blog/2017/10/08/lictis-plictis-ori-boala-copilariei/ (poor
diana_coman: q picture in there)
diana_coman: but he is still only 5 so a lot to figure out yet
diana_coman: to take apart his own stuff too, lol; important this one
BingoBoingo: Very cool.
mircea_popescu: phf don't add fucking exceptions wtf.
shinohai: lol in otc - 16:19 +joecool or fork the wot and start a weird little cult like mp did
mircea_popescu: that weird little thing everyone's stuck fixing their watches by.
asciilifeform: waaaaitasec phf , whaddayamean no genesis ?!
asciilifeform: >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1533 << subj
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1727091 << this is useful ! can be filled with, e.g., N pcengines boards ( they by default sell without the iron case )
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 21:09 BingoBoingo: In other joys found http://www.buildablade.com/bb-itx96.htm
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1727076 << 'throws imaginary coin very, very quickly'
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 20:49 diana_coman: aha, try explaining to a 5 yo what that is and what it does...
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1727094 << 5 is when they started asciilifeform on englishism
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 21:10 diana_coman: but he is still only 5 so a lot to figure out yet
asciilifeform remembers the copybook : 'a wolf sits under a tree and sings a long song' etc
diana_coman: asciilifeform, good idea actually; I suspect he needs more play with the whole point of throwing coin as it is ; part of what was difficult was precisely the "but why do you want to do that?"
asciilifeform: diana_coman: imho otp is actually simple enough to teach a kid
asciilifeform: can show with pennies on a table
asciilifeform: ' if these pair are opposite -- this is a 1 ' etc
asciilifeform not pro pedagogue
diana_coman: it is, yes; it just did not make it to the top of the pile really
asciilifeform: this is how asciilifeform's brother taught him, with various household detritus
diana_coman: I think there'll be some crypto play in this house, lol; tbh as a child this part of "secret" messages was terribly fun even as idea only
diana_coman: but for some reason it's still my father's oscilloscope I remember better from that age (5), lol
asciilifeform: i have perelman's 'Живая математика', ended up making the cardano grille , making & breaking the usual caesar cipher, etc
asciilifeform: was riotously fun
diana_coman: hah, I can pass it on to his father then !!
mircea_popescu: teaching the kid to otp will surely give him something to blow schoolmates out of water.
mircea_popescu: secrets are big at that age ; and especially for girlz.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1727102 << I am still looking for both higher density pcengines apartments as well as beefier AMD boards
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 22:41 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1727091 << this is useful ! can be filled with, e.g., N pcengines boards ( they by default sell without the iron case )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you don't ~want~ them in too high density
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That is what fans are for
asciilifeform: the other problem with those is that they have no heat sink from vendor other than a little aluminum shim that depends on the stock iron case being there
BingoBoingo: Hence beefy fans with lots of gang noise
asciilifeform: when you bolt'em to an iron sheet, it gets pressed, so can still use it, but need the iron sheet
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fans do jack w/out heatspreader
BingoBoingo: Plenty of places to get little aluminum heatsinks
asciilifeform: no mounting holes
asciilifeform: it has to be pressed by whole board bolted to sumthing, on that one.
BingoBoingo: conductive epoxy
asciilifeform: potentially.
BingoBoingo: One cannot simply assume a world in 2017 without jbweld, much as one cannot assume a world in 1800 without procelain tile
asciilifeform: heavy heatsink held with conductive epoxy is in asciilifeform's experience more often than not a recipe for ripping the chip from the board, balls, tracks, and all
asciilifeform: you gotta mechanically decouple the thing from the board somehow
asciilifeform: ( ever wonder why even cheapest shit cpu for pc never used heatsink held with epoxy ? )
asciilifeform: certainly not since cyrix 486 at any rate
BingoBoingo: Why not light heatsink to case? Not like it's a fucking opteron
asciilifeform: lol it's a small opteron
BingoBoingo: Of dubious up to date node running ability
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo use hot&spicy fucklube.
asciilifeform: it's approx same as 'zoolag'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's same generation as my mainbox E350 but slower. E350 vulnerable to high block processing times even with 31337 SSD attached
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and so was dulap, a recent intel with 256G ram and 32core
asciilifeform: it's ~entirely i/o-bound
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-story-of-the-little-shit/ << Trilema - The story of the little shit
BingoBoingo: Except for those mega signature stuffed blocks
asciilifeform: still i/o-bound
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: see my measurements patch, and output, on the ml.
asciilifeform: !!up ascii_in_orcland
deedbot: ascii_in_orcland voiced for 30 minutes.
ascii_in_orcland: !!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/bIUbA/?raw=true
deedbot: 76F814216BE3CF14AC31E0993B73837D67163DBA registered as ascii_in_orcland.
asciilifeform: !!rate ascii_in_orcland 1 a voyagekey of asciilifeform, inquire within
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zGyUM/?raw=true
asciilifeform: !!v 33D562770A1D875C86DEF14AB67A890D9A0DF335D383E3F3F5C0173FE1F36327
deedbot: asciilifeform rated ascii_in_orcland 1 << a voyagekey of asciilifeform, inquire within
asciilifeform: !!down ascii_in_orcland
ascii_in_orcland: apologies for the l0gznoise. this box will not speak again unless my bouncer fails. but all gpggrams to end of the month should be addressed to this key, or reply will have to wait until nov 1.
asciilifeform: thaaat was surprisingly painless. kudos to trinque .
mod6: thanks for the update
asciilifeform: i go tomorrow, but did not want to save this for last hour.
shinohai: Bon voyage asciilifeform !
asciilifeform: ty shinohai .
mod6: happy travels, Sir.
asciilifeform: will be interesting.
ben_vulpes: business or pleasure, asciilifeform ?
asciilifeform: bizeasure
ben_vulpes: interesting indeed
mod6: !!59B97C36043CE68DB990BA3072AEF706BADA373D8415893B89718CC1A39DAEB6
mod6: !!v 59B97C36043CE68DB990BA3072AEF706BADA373D8415893B89718CC1A39DAEB6
deedbot: mod6 rated wyatt06 1 << Eulora
mircea_popescu: and here's a bit of an evolutionary biology mindbomb : since the ability to distinguish one's own sons from other's sons is positively selected in males, it is altogether probable males have developed the ability to recognize their own spawn as such.
mircea_popescu: soo... does the new baby LOOK TO YOU like it's yours ?
mircea_popescu: shinohai you around ?
shinohai: mircea_popescu: present
mircea_popescu: and in early rail locomotion, http://www.tikiwebgroup.com/fingeredorfucked/wp-content/uploads/sites/43/tumblr_ksrlkrr6uQ1qzaz2ro1_12801.jpg
shinohai: "What, 1435mm is all you got son?"
mircea_popescu: kek
shinohai: In other "Nobody could have predicted" http://archive.is/wTi4C
mircea_popescu: awww
mircea_popescu: "here's a list of a half dozen tards who paid some scammers way too much money to be named in an inept piece in random fiat fake news outlet"
mircea_popescu: "*A substantial profit. Our ageing editor needed the phrase translating." outsourced writing, too.
shinohai: The Dogecoin consideration was pretty lulzy though.
BingoBoingo: In other lols, there is a place in Brazil that has datacenters and it is lulzily enough named Uberlandia
shinohai searches for `Lyftlandia` ....
BingoBoingo: In other news Portuges feels more more Italian than Spanish on deeper digging
shinohai: Dem romance languages
BingoBoingo learns a lot reading ad copy
BingoBoingo: And power tool manuals

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