mod6: !!up elaineo
deedbot: elaineo voiced for 30 minutes.
mod6: !!up oroborous
deedbot: oroborous voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: and in other superficialities, http://68.media.tumblr.com/63c58c530ee32ef164e9c9016ecb5a13/tumblr_njiap9j3TR1qemzxmo1_400.gif
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-27#1717916 <<< none, i did hit up a couple DCs around here, nothing interesting came out of it
a111: Logged on 2017-09-27 22:46 BingoBoingo: davout: I'm wondering if an progress was made finding Francophone datacenters outside France, preferaby in the heart of the dark continent
BingoBoingo: davout: K, will cross continent off list
phf: asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/x0p5S/?raw=true$
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/b9fvZ/?raw=true
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ohai mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: barrett proof
mircea_popescu: o hey.
asciilifeform: well, not quite, but getting there.
mircea_popescu: THAT IS NOT QUITE SAME THING
asciilifeform: when have complete proof, will say it in complete sentence!111!
mircea_popescu: haha ok.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-29 03:10 BingoBoingo finds it a nice change of pace to have a Trilema fiction story with so much emphasis on the protagonists
mircea_popescu: i mean whom. although...
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-29#1718203 << i believe. it is not currently directly evident anything else CAN be used, even.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-29 03:28 asciilifeform hasn't deployed anything but hand-sewn router for maybe 4y+
asciilifeform: i certainly can't bring myself to use the konsoomer crapola, when making a replacement that lasts ~forever and requires 0 nursing, is hardly even day's work
asciilifeform checks router in room and finds ~year of uptime, and would be longer if i hadn't cleaned it last winter
mircea_popescu: and in today's installment of loose holes and limp knees, http://68.media.tumblr.com/b0c7cea42f4b64cc3965fe43817b45da/tumblr_nskr27Zx6h1u9uov7o1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform whatr do you use, actual comps ? or rasperry lulz ?
asciilifeform: typically neither:
asciilifeform: this one, for example, is a defanged (refirmwared) 'edgerouter'
asciilifeform: 64bit mips thing, there was a thread
asciilifeform: another pretty good one is that very same pcengines box, from ~that~ thread
mircea_popescu: ah. i guess, if you keep lists of which ones aren't too stupid byu nature
asciilifeform: just about anything with a few GB nic ports, fanless cpu, and some place to stick netbsd etc, worx
asciilifeform: also helps if it has a serial port ( mine do )
mircea_popescu: with the downside that you're now stuck maintaining netbsd.
mircea_popescu: well ?
asciilifeform: you stick it on and weld it shut
mircea_popescu: need i quote at you ?
trinque doesn't have GB internet connection, so old G4 + openbsd works great
a111: Logged on 2017-09-26 15:45 asciilifeform: in other lulzies, https://archive.is/roEgM >> privesc 0day : '...all versions of CentOS 7 before 1708 (released on September 13, 2017), all versions of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 before 7.4 (released on August 1, 2017), and all versions of CentOS 6 and Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 are exploitable' << Aaaaaaand as usual linus sat on the goods since april, because 'responsible'
mircea_popescu: trinque except you gotta maintain openbsd now.
asciilifeform: why would a router care re privesc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why would the next one be re privesc.
trinque: I dunno what maintain means here
mircea_popescu: that at any future point you must be able to produce a package you're willing to label "openbsd"
mircea_popescu: as opposed to, say randomly, "a piece of junk"
trinque: sure, that much is true.
mircea_popescu: well that much is also the entirety of the problem.
asciilifeform: router is a pretty simple item, incidentally, and a good first candidate for proper total deunixation
trinque: I'm still of the mind that I'd rather eat openbsd than linux
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that is true.
mircea_popescu: trinque yeah, but i was just making the point for his benefit that his elaborately crafted turd is not so much better than the 40 bux consumer turd.
mircea_popescu: "oh, i never eat at mcdonalds, i always cook all my meals at home out of cheese squares and hormel pork sausage"
asciilifeform: eats packet (on either end), looks at a few fields, either accepts (then rewrites a few fields and shits out of other arse) or rejects (drops on floor)
asciilifeform: so on ad infinitum
trinque: hm yeah, no point of honor in it
asciilifeform: there's no particular reason why a router oughta contain a few 100MB of unixlike, rather than, say, a few kB of fpga config.
mircea_popescu: very true.
asciilifeform wonders whether anybody would actually buy a generic fpgatronic packet eater-shitter
trinque raises hand
mircea_popescu: if it can be delivered a la FG, and it doesn't cost MUCH more than the current shits, defo.
asciilifeform: would prolly cost roughly what you'd expect it to if you napkin calc.
asciilifeform: ( hundy or so, in small qty , by my reckoning )
mircea_popescu: not bad. current ones are what, fiddybux.
asciilifeform: 'edge' was a hundy, but it had nice steel chassis, etc. ( and also i suspect sold at a loss, stock firmware was brazenly nsaware )
mircea_popescu: ah, if nice chassis and stuff like that, total steal.
mircea_popescu: actually... pogos ?
asciilifeform: pogo's only got 1 nic
mircea_popescu: ah right.
trinque: that pcengines guy's a great one, 3 nics.
asciilifeform: trinque: aha, worx great
trinque: sad thing that they lost the debug port
asciilifeform: that's typically what they're used for
mircea_popescu: does 3 nics mean you could plug it into two internets and have it splice ?
asciilifeform: trinque: theoretically they still have the port, it just dun work without amd magic key
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it means exactly what your own handmade box with 3 nics means -- can splice, balance, whichever
mircea_popescu: well, i would defo buy a bunch of these if properly set up so they can be ip x in wan1 and ip y in wan2 and then establish sessions through the least decongested one at all times.
mircea_popescu: so different pages in kitten's self-same browser think they're different ips.
mircea_popescu: least congested*
mircea_popescu: in fact, i'd even declare it an absolutely required bit of republican computing, as such. because it does make a first step towards the specifically stated uci goal, "location ambiguity"
mircea_popescu: shit's in gossipd design papers too, and really everywhere.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can they hang like 8 lan ports off the 2nd nic ? and can they not have fucking wireless, too ? DUN DUN DUN, perfect final hop router.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'edge' has 1 usb hole , and it is inside, holds the flash stick it runs of. so not really a place to put wireless. 'pcengines' has 2 usb holes and 3 internal pci-e, plus antenna hole predrilled, so theoretically yes
asciilifeform typically has separate boxes for 80211, in places where he has the latter
mircea_popescu: fuck the fucking wireless.
asciilifeform: possibly i misread q
asciilifeform: as 'can it have wireless'
asciilifeform: but no, neither comes with wireless nic, wtf
asciilifeform: who the fuck would put wireless nic in a final hop router, lol
mircea_popescu: i'd buy shit without wireless in preference of shit with, even if same exact shit.
mircea_popescu: the only fucking reason wireless exists is the dumbass "smartphones". fucking civilisation enders.
asciilifeform: then good noose -- both of the example boxes, contain strictly classic nics
mircea_popescu: weird 7second+ lag shit.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of freenode bs : "* - A massive thank you to our sponsors and exibitors: Private Internet Access, Canonical, Bytemark, yubico, Open Rights Group, Free Software Foundation, OpenSUSE, Minetest, KDE, bitcoin.com."
mircea_popescu: for the thing they kept spamming.
mircea_popescu: apparently my boxes aren't needed, but hell yea roger ver's "money" that doesn't exist is more than welcome. and plox moar yubikey and canonical and if it's not fucking plain yet...
asciilifeform: i'm a little surprised that 'linux foundation' and prb foundation ain't on that list
asciilifeform: then it could be truly compleeet
asciilifeform: !!up Ingolfr_Arnarson
deedbot: Ingolfr_Arnarson voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-29#1718245 << As opposed to the Disgrace rewrite which didn't have much from the Petrus perspective
a111: Logged on 2017-09-29 16:26 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-29#1718201 << wait, as opposed to whim ?!
BingoBoingo: In the latest from the 'Reality Winner' saga: "Accused NSA leaker was angry over Fox News always being on in the office"
BingoBoingo: And the printed documents were smuggled out in her pantyhose
asciilifeform: relatedly, is there a 'fawkes news' in britain ? and if not, why not.
asciilifeform: !!up fromphuctor
deedbot: fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: fromphuctor: hello ?
fromphuctor: good evening sirs
asciilifeform: who might you be, fromphuctor ?
fromphuctor: lurker mostly
trinque: *what's the other bit, aside the mostly?
asciilifeform: fromphuctor: well you picked up the microphone... so speak
fromphuctor: ah, no nothing related to your affairs yet, so lurker totally... wanted to check pgp on some os and came across phuctor
fromphuctor: klicked on a link, now here
fromphuctor: go on with your things, i ask if i want to know sth
asciilifeform: fromphuctor: if you're curious re phuctor, i recommend to read the faq page
fromphuctor: ah now i remember my question
fromphuctor: i wanted to read about the relationship between math and programming languages
asciilifeform: more specifically ?
fromphuctor: basically the question is what is the relationship between math and programming languages
fromphuctor: do you know authors that describe that in any way ?
asciilifeform: a. turing & a. church
asciilifeform: and ~all of the mathematical work was done long before there existed such a thing as a programmable comp
fromphuctor: that is why i find it is worth investigating
asciilifeform: if you want a kindergarten b00k in english, try feynman's 'lectures on computation'
fromphuctor: i would have thought maybe russian authors would be more suited
asciilifeform: the way you phrased the question suggests that your road to grasping the answer, is long
asciilifeform: if you really must have in ru, here's where asciilifeform started, as a 4yo, https://royallib.com/read/zaretskiy_andrey/a_ya_bil_v_kompyuternom_gorode.html#0
fromphuctor: ohnicethx sir, one link at a time, chugging along on the road
fromphuctor: about the Phuctor/PGP related things i ask another time
fromphuctor: checking my phrasing before
fromphuctor: thank you asciilifeform
asciilifeform: in other lulz, via BingoBoingo , '"Reality, uh, you know we obviously know a lot more than... than what we're telling you at this point. And I think you know a lot more than what you're telling us at this point. I don't want you to go down the wrong road. I think you need to... to stop and think about what you're saying and what you're doing. Uhm, you know, I... I think it's a... an opportunity to maybe tell the truth. Because, uh, t
asciilifeform: elling a... telling a lie to an FBI agent is not going to be the right thing."'
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/NmbxE/?raw=true << somewhat miserable ocr of https://arstechnica.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/winnertranscript-1.pdf . lulzy.
asciilifeform: ^ prolly most detailed record of usg gasenwagen session to date
asciilifeform: summary : chix was not 'silent like partizan', no.
asciilifeform: in other idiocies, https://archive.is/zI6Xm >> '... mysterious attacks that left diplomats with hearing damage and brain injuries, the State Department announced...' << somebody lock'em up in schizo ward, like they do to their victims back home, per http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-26#1548698
a111: Logged on 2016-09-26 17:33 asciilifeform: incidentally i find it quite hilarious that three years after the snowden catalogue leak, the constellation of symptoms of rf bug illuminator victims is still Officially 'schizo'
trinque: this transcript is such a fucking snore, ye gods
trinque: smells a lot like "hey lets get srsbsns PROOF of russian hax into the news"
trinque: chick's gonna get out in a few years and get paid under the table, disappear
trinque: the feds meanwhile read like stuttery, inarticulate derps.
ben_vulpes: pink ar-15, that's pretty damn funny.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it's so as not to stand out from the scenery when fighting on planets with pink vegetation and soil, clearly
asciilifeform: or perhaps for urban combat inside those old-school lunatic asylums where the walls were pinked...
mats: https://www.coindesk.com/edward-snowden-zcash-is-most-interesting-bitcoin-alternative handpuppet adds zcash to list of suspect items that include tor browser bundle, tail, signal
asciilifeform: !#s zcash
asciilifeform had nfi it were still around
asciilifeform: comically idiotic thing, nearly made ethertardium look sane in comparison
asciilifeform: it's the one where they pretended to destroy the magical infinite-inflatolade-creation key
mats: countless mentions to that and monero in every hn thread about bitcoin - more privacy! anon by default! diversify your holdings! *waves hands*
asciilifeform: 'Writing in response to a tweet from technologist Mason Borda which read: "Zcash is the only altcoin (that i know of) designed and built by professional and academic cryptographers. Hard to ignore," Snowden replied, "Agree."'
asciilifeform: mats: word 'suspect' implies uncertainty. cyanide is not a 'suspect' poison, tor, signal, etc are not 'suspect' usgologies.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4165.06, vol: 12049.97783533 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4180.0, vol: 38487.5737384 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4085.44, vol: 515.89440000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4178.0, vol: 4218.02692379 | Volume-weighted last average: 4175.70762846
BingoBoingo: In seekoority ex-part solutions https://i.redditmedia.com/gBXKccLboeUOlm_zCZmx8ruCfFGrPGQFP_TrYzI6Hwg.jpg?w=768&s=b332705632a052c59962b430f7b6ac1e
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-29#1718334 << well the idea there was that petrus being petrus is illiterate. not in the sense of not pretending to be able to write, but in the sense of actually not having anything to say.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-29 18:04 BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-29#1718245 << As opposed to the Disgrace rewrite which didn't have much from the Petrus perspective
mircea_popescu: the metrosexuals describe themselves, for lack of anyone else interested. apart from that, the victims describe the rapists and thassat.
BingoBoingo: Still, his illiteracy doesn't make Petrus any less the protagonist in the story of things that happened to David
mircea_popescu: proto-gonadist at any rater.
mircea_popescu: but yes.
BingoBoingo: It's still more than David is
asciilifeform: the spartan speaks with his... meatsword
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-29#1718370 << incidentally, maybe time to take the webirc link off phuctor ?
a111: Logged on 2017-09-29 19:48 asciilifeform: sure.
asciilifeform: !#s from:fromphuctor
a111: 165 results for "from:fromphuctor", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Afromphuctor
asciilifeform: ^ dun weigh much, and even not all rubbish
mircea_popescu: if you enjoy it...
mircea_popescu: the original reasoning was that actual high value individuals might need the fast track, for lack of you know, dissemination in their backwater barios.
mircea_popescu: it's been years, the argument no longer stands.
asciilifeform: 165 ln. to date
mircea_popescu: i'm not saying it's a big deal, no.
asciilifeform: when idjits start appearing every month even, then, then .
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-29#1718383 << because they... are. and the chick's not silent because she expects to actually comandeer the fucking agents.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-29 20:24 trinque: the feds meanwhile read like stuttery, inarticulate derps.
mircea_popescu: somehow, and i have yuet to pierce this mystery, people on the side of pantsuit always assume they own the world, natively. whereas people on the side of the republic, at least verbally, always assume the opposite, and start derping about how i've to prove shit and so on.
mircea_popescu: you won't hear Ireality Winner derp about how "what proof can Pantsuited Hilarity bring ?"
mircea_popescu: her line isn't "maybe it's good that fox news is on because what proof does sanders have that it isn't ?"
mircea_popescu: a restatement of the old adage, "the problem with socialism is that idiots are always cocksure ; everyone else, full of doubts"
asciilifeform: 'proof' , also note, ain't magic: there were and still somewhere are folx doubting , e.g., output of phuctor, even though all that is needed to verify is a copy of bc, python, whichever calculator, and a few min.
mircea_popescu: laziness is immediate. reason works through the mediacy of the most fragile, most expensive, least dependable mechanism known in nature.
asciilifeform: you can lead a swine to perls but you can't make him... or how did it go.
mircea_popescu: you can't make her a string of anal beads out of them ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> a restatement of the old adage, "the problem with socialism is that idiots are always cocksure ; everyone else, full of doubts" << But how else would Taq1A be so successful if women didn't like making baby with drunks?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i have nfi.
mircea_popescu: it's a legitimate open question in ev biology.
asciilifeform: fermentation in unrefrigerated world aint optional
asciilifeform: so imho no puzzler there
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform note that it is almost a tracer for "eastern european plains" genotypes. whereas azn ppls had alcohol for thousand+ years longer.
mircea_popescu: (see also eg https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3657369/ )
asciilifeform: this ^ is first time i see 'chinese' and 'depressive disorder' in same sentence
mircea_popescu: i will point it out that prior to say 1500, people didn't see "sioux" and "drunkedness" in same sentence either.
asciilifeform: what's next, dystrophic americans..?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Taq1A is on of the few genetic markers with STRONG behavioral predictive relation
mircea_popescu: relatively strong.
BingoBoingo did swab thing back in pre-Republican before time when more bold than paranoid, supposedly has polyorphism. Responded with "Fuck you genes, I do what I want" ran until
jhvh1: 1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.
BingoBoingo was trying to see what percent victim I was
BingoBoingo: But that was when still on campus and suffering reality distortion bubble maintained there
asciilifeform: if usg wants asciilifeform's genomic samples, whether for phrenological nonsense or to plant on the deathray trigger that killed jfk or whichever, they can bloody well come and collect at own expense. i ain't sending any.
BingoBoingo: This was an earlier more innocent time. Bitcoin was trading in the single digits after coming down from an all time high
mircea_popescu: this lulzy property of bitcoin. "all time high" moar like "old time high"
asciilifeform: btw mircea_popescu recall how at one time every facility with a newfangled xerox machine, had an особист watchin' over it ?
mircea_popescu: hey, large lulz in ro about you recall, "registering" typewritters.
asciilifeform: the obvious parallel with kanzure and dna sequencers/synths
mircea_popescu: psh. that guy didn't go around trying to get upvotes for the Minitruth facebook page.
asciilifeform: nah but he makes sure to be present for every 'amateur bio' konference whichever, and rats
mircea_popescu: "citizen! retween khannikov! it is your patriotic duty!"
asciilifeform: the typewriter thing lives on, as the famous yellow dots.
mircea_popescu: technologee amirite.
asciilifeform: ( btw i've yet to see a firmware defanger published for any brand of colortreekiller, to date. )
mircea_popescu: not even defanger, a randomizer.
asciilifeform: prolly on account of nobody giving half a shit re traceability of lolcat hardcopy
mircea_popescu: i took girls to cr natl bank museum today ; in the numismatic section they had local scrip
mircea_popescu: as used on banana plantations, by the rail yard etc.
asciilifeform: oh hey i recall the ar museum piece
mircea_popescu: all sorts of lulz, pieces of plain paper, bachelite coins, you name it
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the obvious parallel with kanzure and dna sequencers/synths << Except this was back when you had to be Google wife rich to open a DNA startup
mircea_popescu: "you telling me they couldn't falsify these ?!" "who ? a bunch of monkeys being forced to work for the first time in their lineage, at gunpoint ?"
mircea_popescu: you'll be surprised how few nominally white humanrightsourdemocracy items can actually do work.
asciilifeform: auschwitz scrip was pretty spartan also, lol
BingoBoingo: !!Up cazalla
deedbot: cazalla voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: the strongest fence is always the one in the head
asciilifeform: not in the coin, bill, etc
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Qntra is down until The Republic has one or more ISP providers, latest hoster commited mortal sin of using USG.MS.EmailProvider
mircea_popescu: at least the bribri had the excuse of being born subhuman.
mircea_popescu: reality winner and her wannabe qntra friends constructed her own subhumanity.
BingoBoingo: BRB, sobertime
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well, also the ole "we'll need to tap your servers kthx" nonsenser.
asciilifeform: comically hamhanded
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, that too.
asciilifeform: srsly wtf, can't just use the fritz chip like civilized stasi?
asciilifeform: why gotta molest hdd.
BingoBoingo: Outlook.com in 2017 is pretty fucking disqualifying too
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why, because they can't do anything else right, they'll magically manage THAT one ?
mircea_popescu: as buggy as everything else they got.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the shameful piece is that it's a forced mistake, anyone still using email-with-civilians is stuck in the google-microshit corral nao
asciilifeform: alternative is random message loss
mircea_popescu: i didn't forbid them from growing a wot presence.
mircea_popescu: it'd have proven more lucrative than the outlook bs.
asciilifeform: wot presence while stealing disks would be even more brazen, neh
mircea_popescu: also wouldn't last.
asciilifeform: the real q is what forced to steal disks etc
asciilifeform: '... or have problems' ?
mircea_popescu: "what forced the idiot to do something stupid" orly ?
asciilifeform: ordinary idiocy obeys leastactionprinciple
asciilifeform: like light paths
cazalla: BingoBoingo, ah okay :\ dailystormer just got shoah'd again, this time from .is extension heh
mircea_popescu: not tru. it is merely NORMALLY DISTRIBUTED around path of least resistance
asciilifeform: what's .is ? isis?!
cazalla: iceland but same thing
mircea_popescu: iceland, right.
asciilifeform: lol still feeding dns beast
cazalla: it was claimed that for them to steal the .is domain, it'd have to go to parliment or some shit but they just skipped that and nuked it anyway heh
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they've fixated on this "swedish system". somehow they believe the eskimo are not shit.
mircea_popescu: nfi why.
mircea_popescu: socialists tend to worship the north apparently.
cazalla: shame about qntra, off to eat my steak now, hope you're all doing well
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i see it, the dersturmer+dns folx are fixated on 'pushing', i.e. 'if i use raw ip, how will audience who sits with open mouths waiting for rain, know where the replacement box lives if isp evicts'
asciilifeform: by all rights they oughta be using shortwave, not www
mircea_popescu: hence why they are called socialists ; just as much so as their brethren pushing ourdemocracy.
asciilifeform: ( why are there not digital shortwave crackpot stations
mircea_popescu: and it's evident they both work for hitler, by all sorts of signs. remember the straggler chick that ended up in here, and found out by accident about how yiuy know, there are alternatives ?
mircea_popescu: where is she now ?
asciilifeform: i expect somewhere with open mouth, towards sky
mircea_popescu: oh, mr. brian brainwashed her back into the inzone ?
asciilifeform: didn't, iirc, show any signs of cure
asciilifeform: to begin with
mircea_popescu: my memory is that the summation read "o wow, you guys rock, i am very influential in my own tribe will redirect leadership tomorrow"
mircea_popescu: turns out -- not influential. why not ?
asciilifeform: i can picture:
asciilifeform: leadership: 'stfu, we'll use signal, in iseland'
asciilifeform: over tor tails
mircea_popescu: i can picture too. that tribe, like the yarvin tribe, like the yukowsky tribe, like all the "alt" bullshits, exactly like "debian was an early apple appstore" and so on.
asciilifeform: paid in zonero
mircea_popescu: they have a consensus alright.
mircea_popescu: "freedom of choice" aka "we will either choose coca cola"
asciilifeform: choose! zerocoin or zcash or ethertardium!1!
asciilifeform: classic or unlimited.
mircea_popescu: the principle is evident in their tracts, too. "a guide so that ~anyone~ meet girls. you're not fundamentally broken, you just miss this software". right ? the important part of socialism, preserved. or you know, "racism" but never in the sense of "you joe are no good, go away", always in th4e sense of "we are so dedicated to collectiove salvation, we want to sacrifice a soandso identified auslander collective"
mircea_popescu: there's entirely no difference between bush's "no kid left behind" and usgistani "fascist's" no derp left behind.
asciilifeform: original fascists also had to make use of marginals
asciilifeform: how else
mircea_popescu: there are no marginals. this is the important point.
mircea_popescu: genuine fascists shot the fucking infirm.
asciilifeform: d00dz who fell through the floor of their civ for whatever reason
mircea_popescu: these schmucks are not in any sense that ; they wish to "everyone", and wish it so deeply they are willing to take some COLLECTIVE limits, is all.
mircea_popescu: in a sense, the "fascists" are more progressive than the "progressive"
asciilifeform: all 'mass movement' types fit this pattern
mircea_popescu: depends how you define "mass movement", if you define by the pattern then definitely.
asciilifeform: you can't filter signal if all you got is noise
mircea_popescu: would you call the push west a mass movement ?
asciilifeform: exclusivity applied to homo redditus gives the null set.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was speaking of 'movement' in the pol.agitation sense, rather than 'there's gold in them hills'
mircea_popescu: then of course it meets the pattern, you defined it on its basis.
mircea_popescu: anyway, plenty of lulz to be had with the idiots. ask usgistani "extreme right" socialist flavour whether he'd shoot quadriplegic comatose septuagenarian white guy to save life of pregnant woman, race of father unknown.
mircea_popescu: unlike the run of the mill pantsuit, they usually don't have the canned "we don't shoot anyone" cop out
asciilifeform: can also ask the sacramental 'вилку в глаз , или в жопу раз ?'
mircea_popescu: (gentle reminder : the odds of father being same race as mother is a hefty 99.5% today ; about same as it was in times and places where it was actually illegal.)
asciilifeform: ( which is what the 'whom to kill' rebuses always remind me of )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they somehow got accepted by "scientific" efforts in ethics etc at harvard and so.
mircea_popescu: don't ask me wtf sense they';re supposed to make, i dun see it.
asciilifeform: same folx who gave us 'philosophical zombie' etc
asciilifeform: qualia! tulpas!!
asciilifeform: dafuq's that
mircea_popescu: apparently there was an announced pump of the bch scamcoin
mircea_popescu: which fizzled.
asciilifeform: https://i.warosu.org/data/biz/img/0036/59/1506689270035.jpg << via subj. win.
mircea_popescu: anyway, numerically, mit&co burned some money to try and make the dead cat bounce towards .11, failed miserably within an hour, .1 looking doubtful.
asciilifeform: also wtf is an 'announced pump' if not redditusbait put out pre dump.
mircea_popescu: for instance, a "conference" ; an "Agreement", other consensuses. the so and so protocol. you name it.
asciilifeform: ( is there a name for these in engl?? )
mircea_popescu: i always like people who can't distinguish its value from it's time to suck my cock.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-29 21:05 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it's so as not to stand out from the scenery when fighting on planets with pink vegetation and soil, clearly
asciilifeform: can't think of where else on planet3, pink scenery
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but it wasn't fiction, this is actual product, i saw it in store
mircea_popescu: hey, i made respectable woman buy herself glitzy gold sequin shoes. it's a sex thing.
asciilifeform: pink, i shit ther not, stocks, grips, straps, etc
mircea_popescu: "but i look like a bimbo" "that's precisely the idea"
asciilifeform: once even saw barrel pink ( how ? and does it crack and flake when fired? i've nfi )
mircea_popescu: pretty sure you can chrome them in colors.
asciilifeform: dun think you can anodize to pink
mircea_popescu: why not ?
asciilifeform: at any rate it looked matte / painted
mircea_popescu: lol. what'd you like the barrel to be ? rifled OR PAINTED ?
mircea_popescu: "can you paint the rifling on ?"
asciilifeform: hey it isn't so much moar idiotic than the ubiquitous, in monkeystans, gilded kalash
mircea_popescu: "our quantum computer-based holographic imaging dept is working on a paint-on rifling solution sir!"
asciilifeform: or for that matter sultan's yatagan with kg of j00lz
mircea_popescu: those items were ceremonial. you've seen the sword of king who actually used it,
mircea_popescu: iirc i linked pic.
asciilifeform: aha and i'm sure chapo had also normal kalash
mircea_popescu: well not in 1500
asciilifeform: point being that pink m16 is equally ceremonial item
a111: Logged on 2017-09-30 01:00 mircea_popescu: hey, i made respectable woman buy herself glitzy gold sequin shoes. it's a sex thing.
asciilifeform: you wouldn't do that to a rifle you actually expected to use as-designed tho.
mircea_popescu: contrary to usg media depictions, women that can fire infantry weapons are not usually women you'd like to fuck.
mircea_popescu: everywhere but on sony set -- exists recoil.
asciilifeform: su chix-only sniping school somehow managed.
mircea_popescu: (i don't even mean bulk per se. most fucktoys have eg delicate wrists. can't really use guns effecutally if your two fists together weigh less than a gulp of beer.)
asciilifeform: and there are photos, the chix looked all right.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they fired from platform yo.
asciilifeform: from earth mostly aha
mircea_popescu: i don't mean they can't fucking drive a car. i mean that they can't throw it.
asciilifeform: modern tinybullet thing has precious little recoil tho
asciilifeform: and massive springs
asciilifeform: ( m16 in particular, it dun even feel like yer firing anything
mircea_popescu: i guess.
mircea_popescu: ah this ar thing fires the short nato round does it.
asciilifeform: really exemplifies 'flavour' of modern american soldiering
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i was thinking of the large rapper stuff automatically.
asciilifeform: ergonomics, no bruises, 11 flavours of icecream.
mircea_popescu: bruise, right ? "permanent bruise of infanterist".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's a 'designated marksman' version firing ye olde winchester long round. but less common , among hobbyists
asciilifeform: mats prolly remembers details.
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