asciilifeform: 'dunno where's what in pygmylandia' != 'dun know that toilet dun plug into mains'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform chet had a screwdriver in her purse. with fittable heads. and a tiny one separately.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but it IS cluelessness.
asciilifeform: chet was from the era when people were people.
asciilifeform: y'know, when chix flew biplanes over german lines and dropped frags
asciilifeform: and died like men.
mircea_popescu: was funny, too, with all the airports and shit. "is that a screwdriver ?" "yeah" "you can't take screwdrivers on the airplane!" "no, it's ok, see, it has fittable heads" "ah... uh... i see. well it's ok then."
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform but it IS cluelessness. << AHA, and it transforms it to more finessed cluelessness with actual education and practice. "Is this fasterner best attacked with ratchet, breaker bar, or impact gun"
mircea_popescu: anyway, i don't score cluelessness for stupidity. it's structured and self defending/perpetuating cluelessness that triggers.
mircea_popescu: most of the girls had no idea eg, thermodynamics puts strict limits and firm relations between movement and energy, including as it pertains to their eating. or that all things that exist can be made and are in fact made. or how to evaluate anything, a distance, a cost, a length or a volume. or so on.
mircea_popescu: they come out of it.
BingoBoingo scores it as indicator of environmental defect
mircea_popescu: just had lulz on a walk with girl yest, in that we saw a larger than common cement mixer on a construction site, and i said it's they're normally like a coupla galon's worth, and she agreed, and then she guessed the present one at 30 and i said it's like 120 yeah and she was totally blown out, no way it's 120 galons ? no, liters. this girl, two years ago, misjudged the volume of a hangar she was physically present in by three
mircea_popescu: degrees of magnitude ; and now found a 4x factor inconceivably off for an item half mile in the distance.
BingoBoingo: Progress (actual sort!) not perfection, works while you work it
mircea_popescu: quite exactly. the normal brain will retool if at all possible.
BingoBoingo: This is why conversion therapy works.
mircea_popescu: i've not found it to work in anyone but the young.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/426D6DCE7975B06B502ACEEFD67592401856611663D9997FEC743FEBAE1B507D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1358...7273 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '184.108.40.206 (ssh-rsa key from 220.127.116.11 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (152-224.80-90.static-ip.oleane.fr. FR)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/426D6DCE7975B06B502ACEEFD67592401856611663D9997FEC743FEBAE1B507D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1607...5277 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '18.104.22.168 (ssh-rsa key from 22.214.171.124 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (152-224.80-90.static-ip.oleane.fr. FR)
mircea_popescu: very active phuctor these days huh
BingoBoingo: I've seen it work in the old, but then again looking different places.
BingoBoingo: In old requires substantial desperation
BingoBoingo: And still more substantial resignation
mircea_popescu: nah, it leaves sechellae.
mircea_popescu: i suppose different definitions of work
BingoBoingo: Well, there are different degrees of works
BingoBoingo: Daily repreive contingent on maintaining one's spiritual health works when discussion 60 year old alcoholic crack addicts who have more than half a decade of continuous sobriety.
BingoBoingo: Seems to count as works
mircea_popescu: but they can't go into a bar and have a drink.
mircea_popescu: my ex-dumb sluts CAN go into a whatever, starbux, and have a chat with their ex-peers.
BingoBoingo suspects there's less physical pathology in the ex-dumb
mircea_popescu: which was the original point here, started with alf's recoil.
BingoBoingo just likes dropping "conversion therapy works" bomb in log for the point that it is toxic to socialists
mircea_popescu: a is it ?
BingoBoingo: It doesn't feed Inca is one point where it is toxic, but the other point I observe is people when recovering appear to become more ideologically sane as part of transformation.
mircea_popescu: well that;s a given.
BingoBoingo: This makes them more resistant to socialistoid indoctrination. This is why pantsuit loves people smoking the funky green shit.
BingoBoingo: Not occasionally, but habitually
BingoBoingo: Nothing better for pantsuit demographics than brain numbed stoners
mircea_popescu: fo sho
BingoBoingo: For every functional, sane, moderate using danielpbarron there are many more who become chemically demotivated and endumbed
mircea_popescu: im sure.
mircea_popescu: popularily known as flock of seagulls.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/07/harvard-faculty-seek-to-restrict-voluntary-student-participation-in-off-campus-associations/ << Qntra - Harvard Faculty Seek To Restrict Voluntary Student Participation In Off Campus Associations
mircea_popescu: lmao. that's legal now ?
BingoBoingo: Who cares about Law at Harvard?
BingoBoingo: Surely not alumni Hussein Bahamas
mircea_popescu: inb4 somebody comes up with the idea of forbidding black students in missouri from involvement with the dnc.
mircea_popescu: "pantsuitardation. not even once."
BingoBoingo: Hopefully this is an indicator that we are moving into a lulzier part of 2017
mircea_popescu: i don't see how we could not.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/07/surveillance-videos-of-mass-attack-on-bart-train-withheld-in-the-name-of-bias-prevention/ << Qntra - Surveillance Videos Of Mass Attack On BART Train Withheld In The Name Of Bias Prevention
BingoBoingo: Congratulations to whaack on his successful submission to Qntra!
whaack: why shux ty
mircea_popescu: ahahaha nice.
mircea_popescu: what do the brits need their own brains for anyway. off with their heads, miserable half-man species.
mircea_popescu: if that isn't an occupation government, what exactly would constitute one ?
BingoBoingo: BART isn't Brits, it is "Bay Area 'Rapid' Transit"
mircea_popescu: oh isn't it british assrape something ? my bad then!
BingoBoingo: So presumably raid was less Raperham and more Ferguson
mircea_popescu: this is shockingly enough even more retarded. what will the inference be, that a buncha azns did it ?
BingoBoingo: But it could have also been good at math or owned all the property.
BingoBoingo: lol, I typed too slow
mircea_popescu: those fucking pinoy man, always gangsta and shit.
BingoBoingo: lol, just wait till those Hmong find the internet
mircea_popescu: also, samoans.
mircea_popescu: those are the worst. leberworst.
BingoBoingo: Samoans aren't azn, too big and wrestler stereotyped
mircea_popescu: if samoans aren't azn then why are the japanese azn ?
BingoBoingo: Because the japanese don't want to be azn as evidenced by the white skin, blue eyes, and blond hair when they draw themselves as cartoons.
whaack: peehaps there are no recordings, and many of the alleged "cameras" are made of cardboard to keep cattle in check
mircea_popescu: whaack not even so far off, after the huge camcraze of the 2000s washed by and the costs began to mount many places started just running loops of a few days and such
BingoBoingo: brb, sleep
shinohai: "shwifteey described FUCK token as the new Dogecoin," >>> https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/evd5je/an-ethereum-token-called-fuck-raised-dollar30000-in-30-minutes
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2251.65, vol: 3012.33826 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2273.0, vol: 17874.92457231 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2325.842288, vol: 7348.12240000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2285.287, vol: 5359.70954282 | Volume-weighted last average: 2284.60386455
shinohai: Buenas Dias mod6
mod6: Buenas Dias, Sr. shinohai
asciilifeform: in other noose, the 'china must be colonized for 300 years to become civilized' solzhederp finally croaked
asciilifeform: ( liu xiaobo )
asciilifeform: was thrown in the clink after accepting, iirc, 600k $ from usg , and then 'peace nobel'
asciilifeform: torrent of tears from all orifices of 'our demoocracy' today, re subj.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-14 06:26 mircea_popescu: oh isn't it british assrape something ? my bad then!
asciilifeform: !!up freeuser420
deedbot: freeuser420 voiced for 30 minutes.
Framedragger: [PSA, framedraggerish duties to resume soon and answers to irc pings to come (country move done nao, much win). talk soon]
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 23:51 mircea_popescu: Framedragger do me the favour and check if scriba has somewhere on disk a copy of the above tardstalk link content saved ?
asciilifeform: wb Framedragger
Framedragger: ty asciilifeform :)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu is this the link in question? http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1683142
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 23:30 hanbot: andreicon> do share if you have link, pls >> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=106391.msg1167765
Framedragger: if so, only thing scriba has is -- not a local copy, but a note of link being successfully archived, and link to archive =>
Framedragger: but i'll catch up on log, may be missing (lots of) context
mircea_popescu: Framedragger incidentally, as it just finally occured to me -- are you married, to a romanian girl ?
Framedragger: hahaha NO
asciilifeform: lol should he be ?
mircea_popescu: aaand trinque, incidentally, as it just occured to me -- can you get deedbot payments online by the end of the month ? seems somewhat likely usg is gonna turn off its "webwallet" bullshits from blockchain.info down.
Framedragger: i'm sure mp has some weird probabilistic intel hahaha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no no, just, two different people telling me you know, a story that sorta was converging. i'm like... no fucking way!
Framedragger: hehe :)
Framedragger bbl, washing up from german fatty food
mircea_popescu: total shot in teh dark.
asciilifeform pictures Framedragger on a pile of sausages
mircea_popescu kinda misses proper leberwurst
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2948A9C44E91DA3E33AB76F8E300E280318F98B9D533CB0C15DCFB68F28154BC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1518...8989 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '126.96.36.199 (ssh-rsa key from 188.8.131.52 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (pv.cm-sec.cz. CZ)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2948A9C44E91DA3E33AB76F8E300E280318F98B9D533CB0C15DCFB68F28154BC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1626...1869 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '184.108.40.206 (ssh-rsa key from 220.127.116.11 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (pv.cm-sec.cz. CZ)
asciilifeform: lol: 'CM security system s.r.o.
asciilifeform: Komplexní řešení zabezpečení objektů'
asciilifeform: hey jurov!111
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-14#1683479 << a fake news 2nd tier outlet failed to understand how cryptocurrency works 10 years after "covering" it, still imagines sending a trillion tokens for a trip in your wallet amounts to something.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-14 13:07 shinohai: "shwifteey described FUCK token as the new Dogecoin," >>> https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/evd5je/an-ethereum-token-called-fuck-raised-dollar30000-in-30-minutes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lmao y u so troll
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-14#1683486 << seems it worked with 30 years of self-colonisation. about the same it took russia, also (i vaguely recall equivalent notion there a century ago)
a111: Logged on 2017-07-14 15:09 asciilifeform: in other noose, the 'china must be colonized for 300 years to become civilized' solzhederp finally croaked
asciilifeform: jeszcze Česká nie zginela!111
asciilifeform: self-colonization lol
a111: Logged on 2015-05-04 18:40 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: this is actually the historic ru model of development, once termed 'colonialism with crown as the sole european'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-14#1683501 >> that is the link in question, yes. it's be tremendously useful if it also had a copy of http://archive.is/download/nQLP9.zip stored somewhere.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-14 16:44 Framedragger: if so, only thing scriba has is -- not a local copy, but a note of link being successfully archived, and link to archive =>
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what;d you call what they did ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: petro-pipereich
asciilifeform: a la saud.
mircea_popescu: it is, actually, the german model. that's how they modernized.
asciilifeform: ru hasn't modernized. pipeized.
mircea_popescu: and then the japanese copied it. to also great success. which is why both japan and russia allied with germany.
mircea_popescu: the simple country boy is loyal, the problem is the town boy is nutty.
asciilifeform: last proper modernizer of ru was old man iosif vissarionovich.
mircea_popescu: well yes, that's exactly what we're discussing, ru went 1910-1940 about same way china went 1975-2005.
asciilifeform: then yes!
asciilifeform: i was reading 'today', and wtf'd
asciilifeform: but then -- very muchly yes.
mircea_popescu: so - germany, first. then japan. upon jealous consideration of japan, russia. these tried to actually band together and strangle anglotardism once and for all. they fucked it up, like the idiots they are.
mircea_popescu: finally, after mature consideration, china. and my money's not on the anglotards.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-14#1683508 << I'll start chopping things down and aim for it, yes.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-14 16:47 mircea_popescu: aaand trinque, incidentally, as it just occured to me -- can you get deedbot payments online by the end of the month ? seems somewhat likely usg is gonna turn off its "webwallet" bullshits from blockchain.info down.
mircea_popescu: cool deal.
shinohai: All signs point to this .... blockchain.info is added as DNS seed for segwit2x in recent commits on shithub
mircea_popescu: would have been great if we had a service that had already been open, tested and could be advertised ; but it'll be useful even to have it new, not like the dorks have much memory or mental consideration space anyway.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile on reddit, http://68.media.tumblr.com/819174ba7f70638a0c21c2e9083a8ade/tumblr_nw6j1v2Pug1ubttx2o1_400.gif
asciilifeform: lol dns seeds
asciilifeform: i nearly forgot that this existed.
mircea_popescu: you probably also forgot shitwater existed. easy to forget if you're not served it every day.
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, https://68.media.tumblr.com/cfe04343bcc6cbd71ede67255146fdc6/tumblr_ot3c4gShzL1wuktzvo1_1280.jpg
shinohai: Couldn't fault MP for wanting to initial dat
mircea_popescu: mp had nothin' to do with it!
asciilifeform: in other lullomatics, asciilifeform found a trivial 2x speedup for ffa exp
asciilifeform: sometimes i wonder if anybody actually reads these things.
mircea_popescu: only compute half the bits ?
mircea_popescu: "and thus they bid farewell to carnal dishes and solid meats, and highly spiced ragouts to live for fortry days on ill-dresses fishes, because they add no sauces to their stews."
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-14#1683186 << traveling salesman has approximate solution strategies. besides in this case there's additional complexity of upper limit on travel distance, which is also constantly changing. so if your maximum distance is above shortest path, then you want tsp, but if it's below then you probably have to rely on nearest neighbor/nearest fragment heuristics anyway
a111: Logged on 2017-07-14 00:56 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682609 << isn't this literally the travelling salesman ? what moving parts, it's known-hard.
mircea_popescu: phf but necessarily you won't have a closed form solution to an ill defined class of a known hard problem.
phf: of course, but does that mean i should completely abandon the problem?
mircea_popescu: not at all. but -- adjust your expectations :D
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-14#1683203 << glider specifically. you drop a glider from a balloon, you have known altitude, air foil and weight, you can figure out maximum distance, but that one's constantly changing, which you can track from rate of descent vs distance traveled. your drop point is also random because of the balloon drift, but it's somewhere around sites of interest
a111: Logged on 2017-07-14 01:14 mircea_popescu: i thought he was doing a plane thing
mircea_popescu: for instance : if i were solving this for military purposes i would have the machine list all targets it can visit such that it can still reach one landing spot, and then choose one to visit RANDOMLY. this offers some very strong guarantees : a) each machine will touch one target ; b) the algo can be recursed at ANY point (such as power failure) ; c) if you make a fleet of them you get coverage at no communication expense.
mircea_popescu: i suppose this being what you meant by moving parts.
mircea_popescu: undiscovered externalities moar like it.
phf: well, your basic algorithm is nearest neighbor, but then you can assign random weights to sites of interest, to ensure that different machines prioritize different walks (even if they get dropped from same location)
mircea_popescu: fwiw balloon-glider is a solution to this problem in the sense straight razor and barber's bowl is a solution to flebotomy. it does work, as it did long ago, but it does also kinda ignore the more recent past.
mircea_popescu: if you are destroying the targets the solution is rocket engine, which by now are cheap and easy to make. if you are merely diddling the target the solution is flying lawnmower. (although if you only want to do it monentarily, such as picture taking as opposed to eg van ecking the solution really is satellite).
mircea_popescu: glider bs is ww2 reich wunderwaffen (and i hope you read german for they did explore this to death)
phf: well, it's certainly silly to put all this complicated electronics on a device that would be trivial to also make self-propellent
phf: but without having necessary craftsmen immediately available, it's hard to make fast progress.
phf: i mean, the hackerspaces told me that it's "too hard", but they've been launching the same weather balloons with a camera for payload for like years now. literally a highschool project
mircea_popescu: but that said, a large baloon with a string of gliders underneath that detach bottom first like some sort of strange technofruit losing its seeds like some sort of anemochorious epiphyte.
mircea_popescu: would be one hell of an art item, steampunk or no steampunk
mircea_popescu: of course for maximal artsy i'd make your gliders asymmetrical. give it some nutty spin.
phf: hah, make them talk over radio to do a distributed coordination for tps
mircea_popescu: phf i dunno what you've been doing with your life to this point, but let me point out to you in no certain terms that adjusting what you do by what's available is the child's lot.
mircea_popescu: if you need engine people get 'em, don't redesign around 'em.
phf: how do your attempts to source graphics artists in argentina fit into that?
mircea_popescu: i was mostly looking for sluts.
asciilifeform: and where's my 8192bit cpu!11
mircea_popescu: that's the problem with me, i'm seldom actually doing what i'm say i'm doing.
phf: hah, well, this project has similar pedigree!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought you were making it
mircea_popescu: phf lel. found anything good ?
andreicon: good evening
andreicon: haha mp, you an me both
mircea_popescu: phf for my curiosity, don't you find it to work better when the girl's looking for them ?
mircea_popescu: andreicon sorry, i and you both what ?
andreicon: seldomly do what we think of doing
andreicon: i'd rather train others to carry out tasks on my behalf
andreicon: speaking of which
mircea_popescu: how old are you andreicon ?
andreicon: i've coded a bot in js that would voice me when i ask it
andreicon: haven't i told you?
andreicon: i don't know how to search the logs yet
shinohai: js + crypto, what could go wrong?
mircea_popescu: i've no recollection of it.
andreicon: haha shinohai
mircea_popescu: !#s haha\
andreicon: i'm passing the decrypt to gpg on the os
andreicon: okay, thx
andreicon: rtfm on my part
andreicon: i'm 29
andreicon: am i allowed to use a bot to get voiced here?
andreicon: it'll run on an azure instance, only respond to me and have its own pubkey registered with deedbot
mircea_popescu: you're allowed to to whatever the hell you please, at least for now.
mircea_popescu: anyway, why do you think you've got something to train others ?
andreicon: not as of yet, i'm still getting my shit together
andreicon: but soon
andreicon: docker swarm + an army of webservers + w3 + truffle
phf: mircea_popescu: i'm pretty sure we've even had that conversation before, re girls looking for girls
andreicon: hopefully i'll have something to sell for mETH
mircea_popescu: phf possibly.
mircea_popescu: andreicon glty.
andreicon: you want mETH too?
mircea_popescu: lol. notrly.
mircea_popescu: i guess there's a lot of new things in the world for you huh :)
andreicon: not necessarily new, just a few things i haven't tried
andreicon: and with the advent of technology, it's now easy to put x and y together and get something exciting
andreicon: kinda like btc
andreicon: pow was years old
mircea_popescu: the advent of technology huh.
andreicon: easy access to the same technology*
diana_coman: andreicon> not necessarily new, just a few things i haven't tried <- the not-exciting ones?
andreicon: srsly, do you think that's all there is to me?
andreicon: windows and js?
andreicon: Linux andrei 4.11.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.11.6-1 (2017-06-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux
andreicon: i admit, i'm deep in microshit at work
andreicon: i find it challenging dealing with the politics, windows degrades itself
shinohai: !#s Debianized
mircea_popescu: diana_coman amusingly enough, i recall a few... dozen moments of this "advent of technology" spring. like you know, Коммунизм = советская власть + электрификация всей страны.
mircea_popescu: andreicon the illusion of "~easy~ access to ~same~ technology" is universally and i find without exception the macula of the modern slave.
andreicon: :)) who coined that term?
mircea_popescu: just as the black worker on the plantation thought he is a slave because god made him stupid ; just so the redditard of today thinks he has easy equal access to everything.
mircea_popescu: phf word.
andreicon: i don't think i have ~equal~ access
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, eh, that's history aka dead things aka things that never even existed 'cause dead, hence... old exciting is dead, on to the new exciting
trinque: check out that guy's hipster garb; they even wear the same clothes
mircea_popescu: andreicon that's what "same" means dunnit.
shinohai: lol trinque
mircea_popescu: trinque back then the gray was soot. it's apparently antiseptic and anti-stenkik.
shinohai: Am I to presume the pockmarked face = smallpox?
mircea_popescu: pretty much
andreicon: mircea_popescu: by ~same~ i meant not new but recycled
andreicon: i mean sha256 and ripemd160 were already available, just hacked into doing something else
mircea_popescu: andreicon yet consider : when the pantsuited hilarity was aiming to somehow establish herself as actually real and existent as opposed to merely imaginary fiction (in the face of trump's onslaught) her argument was ... "i was in the situation room!!!". she was saying, basically, that while she formally appears a redditard like any other, let them not forget that nevertheless she has... priviledged access to... special technol
mircea_popescu: that was the whole thing. that's all she had to communicate, when all is said and done.
mircea_popescu: so what are you talking about ?
andreicon: then some russki said she runs win2003 on her exchange server and from there it all went to shit
mircea_popescu: the time when people with better access to superior technologies ruined her inept shit precedes this event.
mircea_popescu: (ie yes, the boneheaded fucktard is also incapable of learning from her own experience, but whatever, it's what the us politruk class is all about)
andreicon: so she thought she had the same shit everyone else had
andreicon: she couldn't possibly lose
andreicon: but then it turns out there's hidden tech, some stuff you never knew existed
andreicon: i'm not willing to be a public face for that
andreicon: yea, i'm a skiddie
andreicon: most likely, that's the first thing that comes to mind
mircea_popescu: not specifically. that was mostly a 90s item, resulting from the uneven development of broadband and the uneasy interaction between society and internet.
mircea_popescu: a sort of soviet cultural worker if you will.
mircea_popescu: taught the masses their chief marketable skill of today -- the copy/paste.
andreicon: but is that not a skill?
mircea_popescu: it is.
andreicon: it's actually a trait, you have it or you don't
andreicon: you adapt or get bent
mircea_popescu: women are better equipped than you are to adapt in this sense. plus it self-lubricates.
andreicon: they still have years of catching up to do
andreicon: the vast majority
andreicon: i do agree, they have an accelerated pace
mircea_popescu: you know what a system of reference is, in physics ?
shinohai: For those that *don't* self-lubricate, its helpful to be a purveyor of astroglide.
andreicon: but let's win this while we're ahead
mircea_popescu: tell me ?
andreicon: damn be the theoretical definition
andreicon: a body or a system of bodies
mircea_popescu: if your definition includes an or it is not a definition.
andreicon: okay, i don't know the formal definition
mircea_popescu: look here : in physics (which is a practical matter), you can have such a thing as a set with a measure and yet thereby not obtain an ordering. in mathematics, your ring (set + idempotent/unit items) also thereby has an ordering.
mircea_popescu: this is your error here : when you say "they still have years of catching up to do" you imagine a theoretical construct that has no bearing to reality. just because you're far away doesn't mean you're far ahead. as it happens, you aren't, western women will survive much better than western men.
mircea_popescu: as per tradition.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-14 18:27 andreicon: i've coded a bot in js that would voice me when i ask it
andreicon: i'm only observing my surroundings
mircea_popescu: of course.
asciilifeform: !#s reactor rods
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a journey, huh.
andreicon: okay, "by hand" tells the whole story
andreicon: i'm essentially putting a trapdoor in my door
andreicon: it ain't easy being lazy
mircea_popescu: gotta start somewhere.
andreicon: lazy alone leads to certain death
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-14#1683634 << the picture that invites itself is that 1890s drunken d00d putting the two wires together
a111: Logged on 2017-07-14 18:35 andreicon: and with the advent of technology, it's now easy to put x and y together and get something exciting
asciilifeform: ... he certainly Got Something Exciting.
andreicon: a debate?
andreicon: sparking up a talk is always exciting
a111: Logged on 2017-07-14 18:40 phf: ^ http://club.foto.ru/classics/images/photos/pr/1539.jpg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you saw my series of lulzlenins ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dun think so
andreicon: i'm baffled
andreicon: i actually don't know how to react :))
shinohai: It happens andreicon .... sensory overload happens at first.
trinque: andreicon: what's this :)) about anyway, trying to flirt with someone?
mircea_popescu: trinque he's trying not to be hostile.
andreicon: i'm actually trying not to defend myself too much
andreicon: i know why i may be under a microscope
andreicon: looked down on by a very skeptical observer
andreicon: not why.
trinque: the skeptical observers are good for your noggin.
andreicon: but i'm not living with the impression that i know too much
andreicon: or anything at all
andreicon: i came here to learn
andreicon: possibly follow a wave of trendsetters
mircea_popescu: andreicon dun stress out, it'll be okay.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-14#1683618 << 'at your age, sergei lazo was already circling around the locomotive!'
a111: Logged on 2017-07-14 18:28 andreicon: i'm 29
mircea_popescu: and gengis was what, getting lipstick rainbows on his tiny dick from austrian "students" ?
andreicon: yea, and mihai the great was 9 when he first ruled
a111: Logged on 2017-07-14 01:21 mircea_popescu: trinque "face up, make your stand, and realise you're living in the golden years". fucking said it outright, also.
trinque: alexander had conquered his known world also, eh?
mircea_popescu: aaaand caesar was weeping at his grave for being too old to matter.
mircea_popescu: not to mention, a minor bureaucrat with maxed out credit cards
andreicon: guys, running out of juice, be back in 3 hrs. read ya later
mircea_popescu: (tru story)
andreicon: sad story
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally that line sounds SO very odessan.
trinque: andreicon: nothing sad about the towering achievements of better men, aside one's own narcissism
trinque: or if sad's your thing, that's fine too
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lolyes
mircea_popescu: trinque young Martial walks into the office of the Odessan Poet Combine, explains to the man at the desk behind the typerwiter that he wants to be a poet. "are you sad, young man ?" "no." "then what do you want ?!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and since i'm doing ancient trilemas, here : http://trilema.com/2011/marea-afacere-cu-tuns-iarba/ re lawn mowing!
mircea_popescu: i got errything!
asciilifeform: iirc there was an english of this also
asciilifeform: or at least the last para
asciilifeform: the one about 'beelzebub put them upon the green earth to work to death' or how it went
mircea_popescu: thius is the one yea.
mircea_popescu: i dun think it ever was in english
mircea_popescu: of course now i can't find the whole classification. do you recall where it sez there's two types, the type that prices her cunt to work and the type that prices it to not work ?
asciilifeform: not immediately
asciilifeform: but sounds quite familiar.
mircea_popescu: i need a divine oracle already.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, folx pumping MBs of liquishit into snsa shop POST form
asciilifeform: because totally does sumthing.
mircea_popescu: any encrypted yet ?
trinque: it's the fuzz!
mircea_popescu: aand in other wtf, i just ran into an unexpected wall.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you know of any russian item more or less like здреанца ?
mircea_popescu: well here's the beauty of it : this item does exist in russian, according to romanians.
mircea_popescu: !~google "davai zdreanta, desdemona"
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Raw - Kakaia surpriza bre Desdemona . Davai zdreanta . | Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php%3Fid%3D1424556087784473%26story_fbid%3D1694590317447714>; Chemarea Nordului (26): Davai zdreanţa , Desdemona ! | explorish.ro: <https://explorish.ro/2008/08/01/chemarea-nordului-26-davai-zdreanta-desdemona/>; Cacaia zdreanța? - Jurnal de Dambovita: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: i don't mean, it exists a little. i mean it exists like sevastopol.
mircea_popescu: how do you say hankerchief besides batista ?
mircea_popescu: you understand an entire people hallucinated a whole fucking etymological line in a neighbour's language ?
asciilifeform: wouldn't be the 1st time
mircea_popescu: but for no gain! just out of sheer wtf , boredom ?
asciilifeform: my dictionary suggests that it is a rag, not a handkerchief ?
phf: apparently the complete form is "davai zdreanta, desdemona! -- kakoy zdreanta, otela, blya??"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did you find it ?
mircea_popescu: i thought rag is tryapka
mircea_popescu: phf are you proposing this is merely kishinev nonsense ?
asciilifeform: so that'd be yer word then
asciilifeform: oblig: 'Штирлиц встал утром спозаранку и отодрал на окне занавеску. Он не знал, что Позаранку и Занавеску были румынскими разведчицами...'
mircea_popescu: just ftr : Штирлиц should properly be shtirlits.
mircea_popescu: for everyone else : занавеску (zanavesku) is how you say curtain ; but the esku final sounds exactly like the romanian name thing, pop-escu.
asciilifeform: занавеска, ->у because she's getting it
mircea_popescu: yes yes.
mircea_popescu: dream on, shtrliboviz.
phf: asciilifeform: i used to try and clarify the inflection, but then realized that it's mostly meaningless for the anglophones. so however much it grates,
phf: "zanavesku is how you say curtain" is probably the correct method
mircea_popescu: he was intimating someone besides ro army conquered odessa!
asciilifeform: hey they're (surprise..) people too, can in fact learn human languages
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's pet is doing pretty well with ru
mircea_popescu: it's all political i tell you!
phf: asciilifeform: same here! but not for genpop
asciilifeform: we have a genpop?!
asciilifeform had nfi it were there, waves to it
phf: the elusive Reader of The Logs, you know nsa agents. don't want them to stress too much
asciilifeform: poor darlings
asciilifeform: what happened to 'learn langs even if you gotta hang upside down, like odin'
phf: just doing my part in making the logs inclusive AND gender neutral
mod6: can anyone confirm if 14! is 144C3B2800 in hex?
mod6: i guess online tools say that's correct. neat.
phf: !!up candi_lustt
deedbot: candi_lustt voiced for 30 minutes.
phf: !W (DEFUN FACTORIAL (N &OPTIONAL (ACC 1)) (IF (<= N 1) ACC (FACTORIAL (- N 1) (* ACC N))))
candi_lustt: phf: FACTORIAL
phf: !W (format nil "~x" (factorial 14))
candi_lustt: phf: 144C3B2800
mod6: !W (format ni "~x" (factorial 256))
mod6: !W (format nil "~x" (factorial 256))
candi_lustt: mod6: FF578F57C15BB743BEAA77D27637E02B598DFFA9AEBD15889187FE6EB3BDCA516C3FA1A52EABEF31F33B4B8C2E5B5524F1AA4F3329393912F40DBBE23D7F39723E0BE05B6696B11F8EEA0ABE365A11D9F2735AC7E5B4E015AB19B35B84893685B37A9A0A62A566D6571D7E00D4241687F5C804F37CDE9BF311C0781F51CC007C5A01A94F6CFCECEA640B8E9AB7BD43E73E5DF5D0E1EEB4D9B6CC44BE67B7CAD80808B17869561B579FFE0BBDECA5C83139E458000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
mod6: okiedokie, i get the same thing.
mod6: thanks phf!
asciilifeform: mod6: on what ?
BingoBoingo: OMG, Reddit has a hard on for the Stasi's insistance Alphabay victim found by his captors hanged https://archive.is/UJETj
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> of course for maximal artsy i'd make your gliders asymmetrical. give it some nutty spin. << Maple seeds!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> that's the problem with me, i'm seldom actually doing what i'm say i'm doing. << OMG spoiler alert!!! That's supposed to take time to figure out.
BingoBoingo: Also http://qntra.net/2017/07/darknet-market-alphabay-shut-down-alleged-operator-dies-in-jail-cell/#comment-105061
BingoBoingo: Was in moderation que
shinohai: 'Twas `assisted suicide`
BingoBoingo: "E drept ca intr-o prima faza am lasat-o sa creasca in legea ei, mai ales pentru ca ocupantii anteriori fura cam nepriceputi la doxa, si taiara iarba dupa metoda de-i zice-n englezeste scalping (adica foarte jos si foarte scurt), pina mi-or umplut curtea de gauri." << This is very common mistake because idiots think "golf course and sports field are shot" and assume shorter is better. They fail to consider that there are different kinds
BingoBoingo: of grasses.
whaack: for the well endowed victim
andreicon: /query mircea_popescu
andreicon: dafuq irssq
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: on what ? << box
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2011/marea-afacere-cu-tuns-iarba/#comment-56455 << Lawnmower blades usually come from factory painted dull for our safeocracy. Idea is paint wears down and deck gets disgusting which discourages curiosity by the time sharp edge is exposed.
mod6: this is a core i5 box / 8Gb ram
mod6: actually no. deb.
BingoBoingo: !!up testtttt
deedbot: testtttt voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: testtttt: Who is your daddy and what does he do?
mod6: asciilifeform: what is that thing? claymore?
asciilifeform: mod6: su equiv.
asciilifeform: d00d has a number of these films.
asciilifeform: apparently subj was well-packed.
asciilifeform wonders if 'unboxing vid' for nuke has yet been filmed. if not, genre has room for growth!111
BingoBoingo: Well, they should have signed up to do the Reich thing instead of trying to fight it
shinohai: !!up floog
deedbot: floog voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: Heya floog ... who's your daddy and what does he do?
floog: he's an old hippie burnout who became a doctor
mod6: asciilifeform: nao 8ms
asciilifeform: mod6: ...what is
asciilifeform: ? and why
mod6: actually, nevermind.
shinohai: !!up floog
deedbot: floog voiced for 30 minutes.
mod6: ok 44ms is more accurate for 256!
mod6: i refactored my factorial code by getting rid of an FZ_Set that i didn't need
deedbot: 7B308B69A7CD283E3B7549DBE9B833266594AD15 registered as floog.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682208 << when I was a teen-lobbes I worked the service desk at a grocery store. In addition to selling lotto/scratch tickets I also handed out (and, if requested, cashed) the paychex to fellow coworkers.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 03:51 mod6: the worst part about the lotto tickets people, is they buy them, then more often than not (it seems like), insist on scratching them off right there and then.
lobbes: On several occasions I witnessed same 40ish y/o dude cash his check (roughly $200), buy 10 $20 scratch tickets, scratch them on-the-spot, then 're-invest' any winnings until he reached $0.
lobbes: This was always amusingly contrasted with the many foreigners that worked there in the summer; they'd Western Union that shit immediately to home country.
erlehmann: so it turns out that thumbnailers are worse than antivirus, regarding parsing things better left unparsed
erlehmann: this made me look at a few thumbnailers available for GNOME https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=784630
erlehmann: in one, i found the exact same vulnerability
erlehmann: but in gnome-exe-thumbnailer, the filename is inserted into ad-hoc vbscript that is then executed using wine. fun stuff!
trinque: erlehmann: got a blog? I'd read.
erlehmann: trinque i sometimes write on http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/posts/index.html
erlehmann: i should probably do a writeup of the vbscript thing, it's too funny
trinque: erlehmann: consider a qntra of it
erlehmann: the only thing that prevented me from immediately gaining execution is that the created script for some reason is UTF-16 LE – and of course my code-injection-via-filename is UTF-8.
erlehmann: in other news, the base64 module in python3 will happily eat garbage and pretend it is filet mignon.
shinohai: Much like python3 pretends it is meat
erlehmann: >>> base64.b64decode(b'Vm0=')
erlehmann: >>> base64.b64decode(b'V=m=0=w')
erlehmann: only one of those inputs conforms to the expected grammar
erlehmann: also have you heard about getpid()
erlehmann: it became slower, or so fefe claimed
erlehmann: bonus: only affected program is systemd
trinque: erlehmann: the logs would benefit greatly from a proper writeup of these, so the next time someone goes "hurr durr $shitlang" the blog post can be linked
erlehmann: because journald spends like 95% of its time trying to find out its own pid
erlehmann: real quality software that tries to call getpid(2) >70000 times in <5 seconds
erlehmann: deedbot is funny btw
erlehmann: only client so far that answers to PING with unknown
trinque: no pings for allcomers!
erlehmann: proper OPSEC
erlehmann: i don't even know deedbot's given name!
erlehmann: meanwhile, i'll do a writeup
phf: erlehmann: i think it's maybe your client that's misinterpreting the result
erlehmann: phf hmm, might be.
erlehmann: let me check
phf: not that whatever's deedbot returning is correct (nor does a111), according to my client
phf: 20:27 <freenode> CTCP-reply PING from deedbot : 521771260.04 sec
trinque: ah, I figured this was something I didn't implement.
erlehmann: it just returns [SOH]PING[SOH]
erlehmann: seems sane otherwise
trinque: I admit I went as far into IRC as to make the thing stay connected, and otherwise didn't want IRC that far into my head
trinque: the IRC bot part does very little.
erlehmann: i understand completely, i wrote an IRC client myself once.
shinohai: I like teh simplicity
erlehmann: it is very simple to just stay connected. PONG
erlehmann: telnet style
phf: hmm, odd because cl-irc defines a default handler for it..
phf: ctcp version for example leaks
trinque: hm yeah, we only added a handler for pong, not ping.
erlehmann: phf he
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4E57E90DD90597C2D996C3D158F95E0BDBDA56B4E35C5A18FDD25E016CE40B2C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1299...5703 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '18.104.22.168 (ssh-rsa key from 22.214.171.124 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4E57E90DD90597C2D996C3D158F95E0BDBDA56B4E35C5A18FDD25E016CE40B2C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1290...0619 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '126.96.36.199 (ssh-rsa key from 188.8.131.52 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/62B75E92FE606681941AA0A26B30B63C88E6D31FF19B913EF3FEF8A5DD0969AE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1290...0619 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '184.108.40.206 (ssh-rsa key from 220.127.116.11 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/62B75E92FE606681941AA0A26B30B63C88E6D31FF19B913EF3FEF8A5DD0969AE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1334...5187 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '18.104.22.168 (ssh-rsa key from 22.214.171.124 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN)
a111: Logged on 2017-07-14 16:57 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-14#1683508 << I'll start chopping things down and aim for it, yes.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/274CF10DC6ADAE595391AE7E26B9ECBADFA4CFB74A1C858D7F05A52D3083AE23 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1789...2259 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '126.96.36.199 (ssh-rsa key from 188.8.131.52 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ebusiness.reitze.com. DE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/274CF10DC6ADAE595391AE7E26B9ECBADFA4CFB74A1C858D7F05A52D3083AE23 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1630...6747 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '184.108.40.206 (ssh-rsa key from 220.127.116.11 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ebusiness.reitze.com. DE)
a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 00:24 erlehmann: proper OPSEC
asciilifeform: aka fits-in-head.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-15#1683912 << see also http://trilema.com/2016/minigame-is-probably-never-going-to-support-python-3/
a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 00:14 erlehmann: in other news, the base64 module in python3 will happily eat garbage and pretend it is filet mignon.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-15#1683904 << try using machine without poettering on it. i recommend.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 00:06 erlehmann: this made me look at a few thumbnailers available for GNOME https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=784630
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-14#1683901 << it is not clear to asciilifeform that the 'wire 50bux to somalia and it costs 70' people are any smarter than the lottery players.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-14 23:56 lobbes: This was always amusingly contrasted with the many foreigners that worked there in the summer; they'd Western Union that shit immediately to home country.
lobbes: at least that 50bux in somalia is > 0bux. Beats lotto player, but that is a good point: after wire fees it doesn't beat it by much
lobbes: not much contrast afterall. Elliots everywhere!