asciilifeform: lol is that the pili university?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, mendoza. like a sort of kentucky.
mircea_popescu: but yeah, they're all ~equally retarded.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623101 << yes, and since i just burned a bunch of cash on a vacation, i won't be bidding on any of these machines, but dks is selling an xl1201 and two macivories
a111: Logged on 2017-03-08 02:29 asciilifeform: iirc phf has the xl1201.
phf: i think a half decent reason to get an xl1201 is to sacrifice an ivory and get die shots
phf: oh he'll also be selling a macivory model 2 board, that you can put in a quadra yourself. (or use it for a die shot sacrifice...)
mircea_popescu: what's the rents in india like ?
mircea_popescu: or do you hotel
mircea_popescu: phf ^
phf: cheap, and wot dependent. i can't figure out what the market forces are like, or possibly everything's really cheap, so there's no bottom.
phf: i looked at places within 10 minute motorcycle ride from a tourist beach area
phf: what they would call "studio" in u.s., i.e. a room with a kitchen area goes for about $1000/yr
phf: looked at a mansion, where i lost count of rooms, has inner court yard and large forst area in the back, secluded, etc. advertised as $2000/mo, final price was $12000/yr (!!!)
phf: an apartment 2 bedroom apartment in a muslim town (so main downside is a regular adhan) was offered for about $300/mo
phf: this is all within 10 minute ride to the beach, 30 minute ride to the closest big city. not sure what the prices are like in the city, but i have a guy i can ask if you're interested
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623154 << phf do you presently have with what to make die shot ? i do have a dead xl1201 cpu board here.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-08 11:47 phf: oh he'll also be selling a macivory model 2 board, that you can put in a quadra yourself. (or use it for a die shot sacrifice...)
phf: i did a bed&breakfast which is my preferred approach, the room was baseline 2200rs/night, for 35 days, with 20% discount, worked out to about $950
a111: Logged on 2017-03-08 14:24 phf: looked at a mansion, where i lost count of rooms, has inner court yard and large forst area in the back, secluded, etc. advertised as $2000/mo, final price was $12000/yr (!!!)
asciilifeform: but i gotta wonder what the total cost of 'living like white man' might be there.
phf: right, mansion comes with fans, but not AC/central air; mosquito nets on beds; internet "work it out yourself"; etc.
asciilifeform: ( can you get, say, roquefort ? or, more interestingly, what'll it cost to avoid http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-19#515574 funnel. )
a111: Logged on 2014-02-19 06:21 mircea_popescu: an old american moves to a thai village.
phf: i don't think you can pay with money for the later
asciilifeform: i'd imagine -- not.
asciilifeform: which is why asciilifeform will probably not be buying the mansion next to phf's in india..
phf: roquefort is unobtanium. in fact there's a christian monastery that makes cheese somewhere in the north, european style. they make bank selling that stuff to hotels, etc. i was trying to sell some priests on the idea, but by the time i remember we were both utterly drunk, and the conversation devolved into calls for bloody revolution and such
asciilifeform: i'll admit, always wanted to live in india;
asciilifeform: --- but as a british d00d in 1890s!!
asciilifeform: lol, spam center ?
phf: place was about 40 minute motorcycle ride away and is basically "modern office" for indian outsourcing
phf: has all the usual suspects on site, oracle, microsoft, etc.
asciilifeform: that ain't 'white man', that's 'live like american plankton'
asciilifeform: 'white man' would be : in that mansion, with coolie-powered air conditioning, and roquefort ad libitum.
phf: of course, but technopark shows all the hoops you have to jump through "private water delivery" "private contract with internet provides for 99.999 internet" "private contract with electric" "fallback generator on site" etc.
phf: because otherwise you're getting your network over microwave relays, and your electric has 70% uptime
asciilifeform: my current (by no stretch of the imagination expert) understanding is that if you try to build this entirely using money, you will simply get raped
asciilifeform: i.e. your generators will cost 10x what they do in usa, locals will make bank and laugh
phf: yes, absolutely
asciilifeform: as i picture it, a, e.g., mircea_popescu , would apply the only known pill: to create a kind of miniature british raj, where the locals know the consequences of misbehaviour
asciilifeform: (of this and whatever other type)
phf: in fact my bed&briekfast guy is very much "an old dutch moves to an indian village": "license costs 300rs, but they found another irregularity so i have to pay 10'000rs fee"
asciilifeform never been to india, but worked for many, many years with emigres
phf: but i think the main source of rape is the government, rather then locals as such. can find pretty much anything for local prices, as long as you're in the right place asking the rightk inds of questions
asciilifeform: satellite relay for local prices..?
asciilifeform: in bazar?
phf: if you have a line of sight from your property to a direct satellite tower, you can get the owner to put an antena up for you, for sure. that doesn't require special licenses anywhere. of course putting up a mast on your site most likely requires government license and that's where you're going to get the bulk of rapage
asciilifeform: this aspect doesn't differ much from usa
asciilifeform: (the difference is that you don't normally ~need~ a mast there)
phf: or go through second or third hop, those might be more approachable
phf: well, define "need". yes, your default option is that you're paying for comcast(tm)(c)(r)
phf: it would be significantly cheaper to put up a mast in india, than it is in u.s. even factoring rape licenses
asciilifeform: phf: recall the thread with mircea_popescu re the traffic cops in some african shithole ? where millionaire 'i can pay whatever, fuck you' and the next day finds that the fines have grown six decimal places for him
phf: unless you're an mp, you don't have a choice to tell fuck you to local fauna, and the whole "i can pay whatever" only plays it out well in shitty miami based tv shows
asciilifeform: well that's what i am wondering, if you're entirely 'not mp', then should be prepared to pay orbital prices for 'white man' terraforming ? or this is overly pessimistic, and the local won't (why not?) charge you a kind of ad hoc 'laffer curve' maximum they think you can bear without going broke ?
phf: i think if you're ~entirely~ not mp, you're going to get raped anywhere. but if you're a little bit mp (which i think qualifies present people, otherwise none of us would be here, you yourself were trying to buy a projects building in a fucking baltimore), then i think you have better chance extracting value in india, than you do in americas. because bureaucracy runs deep here, need much more play money to sway it your way. there, you ~can~ get away with paying
asciilifeform: aha, the worst indias actually look pretty good standing next to baltimore.
phf: besides the area is still primed by the british, bene gesserit style, as sahib you will be sought out, as an articulate and educated one you will be retained.
asciilifeform: didja find yourself sought-out-and-retained, phf ?
asciilifeform: neato. would be interesting to hear what this consists of
phf: well, the most ridiculous example, i befriended a doctor, initially by simply pointing out Nehru in a picture, then producing a few coherent sentences about partition of india period. was subsequently invited to dinner at his house, with family, etc.
asciilifeform: phf: i had almost identical experience with emigre right here in usa!
asciilifeform: complete with nehru
asciilifeform: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://archive.is/M8R9F << lulzgem re your tractors from earlier qntra
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2016-03-03 01:58 phf: do you know what hurree babu really wants? he wants to be made a member of the royal society by taking ethnological notes.
phf: i think it's still a significant time period for a lot of indians. possibly the last one.
phf: in this particular case, the differentiator was the subtle lean. i mean, the south they have a special perspective on the whole thing. i suspect many of their wealthy families have little shrines to godse
asciilifeform: as a boy (after moving to usa) i once visited a house of a sikh d00d whom father was working for . he had entire room, shrine.
asciilifeform: mega-house, also.
phf: to godse? :o
asciilifeform: to i-have-nfi-what
phf: oh oh
phf: !~google nathuram godse
jhvh1: phf: Nathuram Godse - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathuram_Godse>; Assassination of Mahatma Gandhi - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Mahatma_Gandhi>; Why did Nathuram Godse kill Mahatma Gandhi? - Scroll.in: <https://scroll.in/article/696839/why-did-nathuram-godse-kill-mahatma-gandhi>
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/03/08/trumps-border-adjustment-tax-just-means-new-loopholes-thats-the-point/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Trump’s Border Adjustment Tax just means new loopholes? That’s the point!
mircea_popescu: phf i was vaguely considering sending a an infestor. something reasonable, 2/3 bedroom 2 bathroom proper kitchen ac etc. it does get terribly hot does it.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623175 << the correct solution is buy 16yo girl from her father in adhana village, beat her into shape for a coupla years, buy her first ak by the time she turns 18. if you've 2-3 years to spare you'll be fine.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-08 14:41 asciilifeform: which is why asciilifeform will probably not be buying the mansion next to phf's in india..
asciilifeform: don't forget the elephant also, for her to ride.
mircea_popescu: vespa for the wasp.
asciilifeform: in other minor lulz, i reversed the EC_KEY_generate_key from satoshi's libeay32.dll (where he stuffed openssl)
asciilifeform: it corresponds to the historic turd found in https://github.com/openssl/openssl/blob/0d01d8a7359e311b461cd1b964ce90d0699c2a2f/crypto/ec/ec_key.c
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in other news, http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1990978-senalan-a-la-droga-como-madre-de-los-delitos-en-buenos-aires
mircea_popescu: including "Los femicidios aumentaron de forma "desmesurada", según admitió ayer Conte Grand. El funcionario dijo que, de acuerdo con las proyecciones estadísticas, este delito aumentó en torno al 1200 por ciento en el último año." et all
mircea_popescu: ie, i will fucking stomp them, so help me god.
asciilifeform: and whole shebang lives and dies by CryptGenRandom
asciilifeform: dorrendorf & gutterman reversed the latter in '07
asciilifeform: i shit thee not, microshit used 8 instances of rc4, seeded by cpu time, process indices, and a little bit of misc liquishit
mircea_popescu: well yeah.
asciilifeform: the interesting bit is , however, that satoshi mined his blox like machine gun, in succession
mircea_popescu: aanyway, FG patch for trb wouldn't hurt.
asciilifeform: probably possible to set up a lattice
asciilifeform: i'm a little surprised that nobody's walked away with his pile yet.
asciilifeform: (there is -- quite certainly -- no reseeding in the interval between his first couple blox at least )
mircea_popescu: reward's right there innit
asciilifeform: ( who wants dorrendorf et al : http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.329.5230&rep=rep1&type=pdf )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can picture the reward, but also the butthurt
trinque: that's the rewarding kind of butthurt though
mircea_popescu: eh. bitcoin has no butt.
asciilifeform: who wants to attempt this sport -- i have posted the necessary ingredients above.
shinohai: https://www.cyberscoop.com/confide-app-security-audit-donald-trump-white-house/ "Confide, which employs no cryptography specialists on it's development team, leaks decrypted messages to attackers"
asciilifeform: ( other than the boojum -- the related-key attack for ecdsa. this you will have to invent. )
asciilifeform: lol cryptographyspecialists
shinohai: There's an app for that! (tm)
mircea_popescu: hurr durr, how dares someone http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't as if mr.t et al were using actual crypto themselves
mircea_popescu: that's unrelated to the matter that female state hallucinations are hallucinations. from "mit" to "experts" and so called judges etc.
asciilifeform: ( picture for a moment trying to sell a working airplane to cargocultists. 'what's petrol?' 'this thing is heavy' 'waitasec i have to learn to read?!' etc )
mircea_popescu: i can assure you from experience it is infinitely easier to teach any ~actual~ science to a slavegirl than to an intelligent girl.
mircea_popescu: intelligence is overrated ; obedience is by far the more important predictor of effectuality however defined and success however measured.
asciilifeform: 1337 prussian
mircea_popescu: which is why all the impudent cuntlets want to be "in a creative career" aka hallucinated non-science. if irresponsible activity bereft of verification, ie, the antithesis of science, then their imposture has some space
mircea_popescu: "advertising", not mechanical engineer. because bridges actually collapse whereas all "campaigns" can be "a success" even with <10% ROI
asciilifeform: onlooker sure luuuvvvs switching ip
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623180 << funny, they hve one here too. it's entirely abandoned, except today it was day of the mujer so it was full of the usual middle class middle aged dop.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623191 << there is no other known or possible solution to the subhuman indolence of unwhite men, than the whip in the left and the saber in the right.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-08 14:50 asciilifeform: as i picture it, a, e.g., mircea_popescu , would apply the only known pill: to create a kind of miniature british raj, where the locals know the consequences of misbehaviour
mircea_popescu: unwhite nonmen, i mean.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623205 << actually, it's a mainstay of oriental fiction, from harun al rashid to pick-your-nawab. the fundamental unsustainability of traditional economies is evident to the economically aware anthropologist, for instance in the fact that the whole echafaudage ends up requiring an underpinning of "infinite wealth" in the literal sense. very much the oriental equivalent of aristotle's fixed p
a111: Logged on 2017-03-08 15:02 phf: unless you're an mp, you don't have a choice to tell fuck you to local fauna, and the whole "i can pay whatever" only plays it out well in shitty miami based tv shows
mircea_popescu: that they're more than willing to hallucinate it in fiction does not of course preclude the actual people stuck with the job of management among the monkeys inventing what best could serve as a palliative.
mircea_popescu: the traditional caliphate, incidentally, exists as a memory today (ie, a cultural mark) and existed historically (ie, as a civilisation) principally, and i do mean that, ~principally~ because an early fellow invented the superb literary device of giving people in payment not just actual value, but caftans! strips of cloth written on! that then they can value to whatever arbitrary value they wish, to offset the absurd valuatio
mircea_popescu: ns they need in order to whatever, motivate themselves.
mircea_popescu: so the satrap of fuckistan got paid a gold coin and a golden caftan worth anothjer gold coin, and counted himself happy. whereas the daymio's men couldn't be paid anything upon the kamikaze, and so the4y rebelled.
mircea_popescu: every empire's history is intimately predicated on the invention of some kind of bezzle.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, the sultan of 1001 nights is a guy with infinite wealth ; that is his form, and his function. and the stories about how the virgin got a lot for less than her life are the life and blood of village life. hope, i suppose, after a (very oricsh) fashion.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which kamikaze are you thinking of here ? the one in late 1200s ?
asciilifeform: where the mongol fleet sank..?
mircea_popescu: now... wouldn't you wish to be their sultan ? because perhaps you've not read enough levy strauss & co to know about the function of the scapegoat in primitive societies. they certainly wouldn't mind BELIEVING that you do have infinite wealth. because they need someone for that role. and have. for a long time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly that one.
mircea_popescu: see, the "heroic" heroes... won. so they gotta make bank now, yes ?
asciilifeform: as in the classic roman problem, of from what to get loot with which to pay soldiers..?
mircea_popescu: quite so.
asciilifeform: also 'sultan of infinite wealth' is not so diff from 'lender of last resort',among modern monkeys
asciilifeform: 'infinities' are cheques that work ok until they are actually cashed (as per mircea_popescu's old article with the gold mountain)
asciilifeform: or the one with byzantine army
mircea_popescu: understand the problem fairly and well. hojo sanemasa got out of bed, and went to the beach. he could have stayed in bed and pulled on his dick (not! very pointedly not, pulled on concubine's clits and nippes -- that's exactly like showing up for war. if you want an equivallent -- checked his reddit.) what does this fundamental breach entitle him to ?
mircea_popescu: he "confronted his death", which is what always, ALWAYS happens when intellect leaves itself to look at the world. what now.
mircea_popescu: hojo sanemasa does not want this to have been in vain. because, if for no other reason, such as pride, vanity, or social consensus, because he only has a finite count of these. they must be employed efficaciously. what now ?
mircea_popescu: what, mp will say "japanese -- men ; burmese -- dogs" ? maybe he cares, maybe he doesn't. what else you got.
mircea_popescu: caftans work, yes, lenders of last resort, harun al rashid, the eye of god. what have you got ?
asciilifeform: apparently thinking in finite terms (=~ 'confront his death' !11) is a bit much cpu load for most folx
mircea_popescu: it all starts when mothers wanting their kid to stop shitting himself prefer, rather than strangle one pour encourager les autres, to i dunno, give him a cookie every time he shat in the designated pot. prepubescent prostitution would have been a healthier habit, and more productive for the wee tyke ; but women are stupid in the sense of exactly this myopia.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to quote,
mircea_popescu: That's globalism : the hope, eagerly swallowed, the promise, readily offered, that somehow somewhere there exists another Earth, which works not on real but on ideal principles, and on which every voter, every citizen, every sack of worthless flesh will have it all. Everything they could dream of and more, forty beautiful young maidens, restraining the modest gaze of their wide and lovely eyes, like pearls, companions of equa
mircea_popescu: l age, splendid, voluptuous, non-menstruating nor urinating nor defecating and childfree (or else being able to bring to term within an hour), with bodies not affected by pregnancy or breast-feeding, about 60 cubits (ie 27.5 m) tall and 7 cubits (ie, 3.2 m) wide, transparent to the marrow of their bones, eternally young and hairless except the eyebrows and the head. Plus pure, beautiful and much more besides.
mircea_popescu: And why not ?
asciilifeform: 'strangle one' requires spares, neh
mircea_popescu: so ?
asciilifeform: so, worx great in afghan, where they make a dozen
mircea_popescu: all human cervixes could spit out a dozen.
asciilifeform: and ~any d00d could dig tunnels, lay rail.
mircea_popescu: and all this is not to detriment the samurai. the folks went, at night, disguised, and boarded boats (of the tiny fleet) and massacred men and withdrew. they cut down early scouting parties by the bushel. they did more fighting than in any other engagement. it just so happens that all their hard work accounted for less than 1% of the enemy ; and the tornado killed 80%.
asciilifeform: in re : 'coulds' -- 'thermodynamics proposes, kinetics disposes' (tm) (r) (uncle al)
mircea_popescu: they DID do the work.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for educational thread -- let's take ben_vulpes , he likes children, where ought he to put a dozen ?
asciilifeform: plains of nebraska ? ( compete with monsanto, somehow ? )
mircea_popescu: preferably in the hollowed out remains of a bank. after burning down the police station.
asciilifeform: and eat what ? the bodies of the slain ? these run out
mircea_popescu: everything runs out.
mircea_popescu: historically, finding new sources of food was the ~only job of the brood.
mircea_popescu: let them figure it out.
mircea_popescu: (and, incidentally, see how well the ghetto dwellers are adept at that, huh.)
asciilifeform: and say they figure out -- as most large broods in this monkeystan do -- the shortest circuit path -- lolmart.
mircea_popescu: the definition of "white man" can NOT be that your six or twelve year old is outcompeted in a field by unwhite unman's offspring.
asciilifeform: now he presides over 12 lolmart-fed folx, candidates for BingoBoingo's zoological album. mega-win ?
asciilifeform: nature finds ~shortest~ circuits
mircea_popescu: i think your theory is outlaying to the point of irrelevance.
asciilifeform: visit bmore or one of the other hells
mircea_popescu: what's to keep them from kidnapping chelsea clinton, force-feeding her kraft flakes and butchering her in december ?
mircea_popescu: long pig ftw.
asciilifeform: the inhabitants eat ~same thing racoons eat in the park
asciilifeform: not sure mircea_popescu would even want to eat these longpigs.
mircea_popescu: point being, nature provides for filtration.
asciilifeform: does it ? or for toxin concentration.
mircea_popescu: that is the same neh ?
mircea_popescu: filtration is definitionally concentration.
asciilifeform: for the water. not for the salmon eater.
mircea_popescu: what's to keep them from kidnapping chelsea clinton, force-feeding her kraft flakes and burying her alive in the vegetable garden.
mircea_popescu: see ?
asciilifeform: somehow i always recall emperor qin shi huangdi, and his order to bury the 'scholars' and then plant melons for royal table
asciilifeform: ( or was it another..? )
mircea_popescu: one of the more sensible chinese figures
asciilifeform: but 'the thing that keeps' is that ~all creatures take shortest path, ~all of the time.
asciilifeform: or there would be no such thing as 'kraft flake'
mircea_popescu: well, evidently "white man" has been making a habit of taking longest blind paths.
asciilifeform: with some help.
mircea_popescu: that dun enter into it.
asciilifeform: at any rate, 'white man' -- as in the folx who inhabited phf's india mansion; conceived of reactors, etc -- is ~dead.
mircea_popescu: this is not unlike arguing that "sphericity is dead"
shinohai reads latest trilema, still scratches head over cars in la casa
shinohai: Do they have a "mes de autos" ?
mircea_popescu: well evidently they have mas de autos.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623209 << this is probably the most cogent underwire in the whole thing. you are the 21 yo with a car in the rural higschool yard. they feel a deep burning inside, and the only prescription is peniform and attached to your crotch.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-08 15:32 phf: besides the area is still primed by the british, bene gesserit style, as sahib you will be sought out, as an articulate and educated one you will be retained.
mircea_popescu: of course, the point is not "whether you are mp" but rather -- whether you are orwell.
mircea_popescu: are you a pisenlit par la racine, to use the french expression ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: why same name of dll, i have nfi, but satoshi's only had openssl
mircea_popescu: o fuck, i mischanned.
asciilifeform: ( not audio/graphics)
asciilifeform: and i misdllnamed, not even same name
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXNy0JeBchk << in other lulz, "le francais pour les pauvres"
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623164 << i missed that. i've reached out to zeptobars people and they are obviously interested in doing the scans as long as i provide the chip and they can post it to their site
a111: Logged on 2017-03-08 14:32 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623154 << phf do you presently have with what to make die shot ? i do have a dead xl1201 cpu board here.
phf: facilitating reversing is one of their stated goals, e.g. https://zeptobars.com/en/read/KR580VM80A-intel-i8080-verilog-reverse-engineering
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> now he presides over 12 lolmart-fed folx, candidates for BingoBoingo's zoological album. mega-win ? << But they ca fix their John Deere nao!
BingoBoingo: lol http://qntra.net/2017/03/wikileaks-hands-elected-trump-us-government-weapon-to-gut-careerist-deep-state-us-government/#comment-89063
mircea_popescu: o hey, pretty cool site.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lel!
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
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BingoBoingo: Waterfall lost volume?
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : femen, the "ukrainian" organisation is selling shit priced in dollars via 2checkout.com, the columbus ohio us corp.
mircea_popescu: apparently topless is perfectly acceptable where bitcoin isn't. just as long as letter from department of dorkitude.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo amusingly, i noticed them because they rank for ANY GOOGLE SEARCH with ukraine in it, among plenty others.
mircea_popescu: but i'm sure this isn't in any sense manual ; just a very relevant site. notwithstanding no content and no links. ALGORITHMS!!!
mod6: "let me tell you about man-bear-pig..."
a111: Logged on 2017-03-08 22:11 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623164 << i missed that. i've reached out to zeptobars people and they are obviously interested in doing the scans as long as i provide the chip and they can post it to their site
asciilifeform: i'll post the board at own expense, but i only have 1
asciilifeform: don't want to waste it.
asciilifeform: (i don't expect to ever run across another.)
asciilifeform: though i wonder if optical microscope will be worth a damn in this case : iirc smbx cpu was 'gate array', an early form of fpga based on mask rom
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf https://symbolics.lisp.engineer/ivory-cpu-heatsink-and-instability << possibly interesting to phf..?
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ( interesting and at the same time depressing www. 'aesthete weenie' got hold of a lispm! )
asciilifeform: the photos are not half-bad tho.
mircea_popescu: why depressing ?
asciilifeform: well, https://symbolics.lisp.engineer/goals appears to be a list of what d00d aims to do with the thing, and typical example is 'port classic games to it', more or less 0 to do with reversing the thing
mircea_popescu: so ?
asciilifeform: so snoar from my pov.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, ttps://68.media.tumblr.com/e6b9bf1b682ab44d56edcdb0a831131d/tumblr_inline_om77i8WadD1th0i48_500.gif
asciilifeform: wassat, orwell beaten by his gurl?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know the need to cut apart the hardware of a 50yo defunct company strikes me as batshit insane
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i did describe earlier, having concluded a few yrs ago that it is cheaper, easier, moar pleasant, to cut appart 'snap4' emulator (i have a pc build here ~with debug symbols~, comes apart in ida nicely) than to suffer with nitric acid and electron microscope
asciilifeform: BUT i do have the chip, bought for some bux, from the old days of giving a shit, and so offer it to phf et al.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and waiwut, 50?! founded in '80
asciilifeform: time must flow a little faster on mircea_popescu's planet.
shinohai: https://www.memri.org/reports/russian-military-expert-we-are-quietly-seeding-us-shoreline-nuclear-mole-missiles <<< moar missle crisis
asciilifeform: shinohai: old lulzgag , originally invented in '60s, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-30#816492
a111: Logged on 2014-08-30 21:23 asciilifeform: i later learned that v. n. chelomei (famous soviet rocket designer) proposed the placement of atomic bombs near u.s. east costs using a scheme much like this. (official story - it was vetoed as barbaric)
asciilifeform: but let american navy dig, on bottom of the sea, looking for boojums. just what the doctor ordered.
phf: guy is an idiot and a butt of many jokes. exactly that, wealthy aspy cto buys expensive toy, proceedes to make a full of himself
asciilifeform: phf: it hit me in the face immediately
asciilifeform: this isn't the only 1 on the net, either, i found several, they bought lispms, one took hundreds of photos of himself 'hipstering' near it, then one final one where it (??!) burned down
asciilifeform: nao we know where dks's stockpile went.
trinque: lol hipstering near it, so apt.
trinque: I guess it's the next step up from "no, I only type on a mechanical typewriter"
asciilifeform: lel, spamatronics
trinque: they have a particular face, don't they
phf: i was on a channel with that character, until the s/r got so low, i had to leave. amongst the things he did, put in a chip backwards "it dun work", rebuilt power supply by sending it to "we rebuilt power supplies" company that did it for $900 for him
asciilifeform: fool an' his money, etc
phf: last post from "symbolics lisp engineer": I've decided to participate in ProcJam 2016 this year. For a change of pace, I'm building a small roguelike in Clojure with a Unity3D front-end.
ben_vulpes blows brains out
asciilifeform: all of this is quite the lulzfest to asciilifeform : none of it existed a few yrs ago when i last looked
ben_vulpes: fuckin waste of a temple
phf: it all sort of ties together somehow. and yes, as trinque said, starts with a particular face
phf: in related http://www.method-combination.net/blog/archives/2017/03/07/nibbles-and-ironclad-releases.html " I will no longer be maintaining nibbles, ironclad, nor any of my other Common Lisp packages"
asciilifeform: oh is that the former sbcl d00d?
asciilifeform: the one who quit and the leahs immediately closed in
ben_vulpes: oh no i'm thinking of ccl
phf: these narratives are all the same
a111: Logged on 2017-02-19 15:51 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1507131 << in related news, gbyers, the original systems guru of ccl, who responded to every "modernization" attempt with "sure, if you can explain me what's the point" stepped down. within a day, clozure cl was moved to github, with current list of "issues" https://github.com/Clozure/ccl/issues. in case anyone was wondering "what happens when linus steps down"
ben_vulpes: ironclad dood wrote the thing in college and then got a job?
asciilifeform: ^ mostly collection of usg 'covert' stooges, or so claims
asciilifeform: in quite other lulz, (pdf) http://www.cs.ru.nl/bachelorscripties/2014/Ben_Brucker___0413291___Government_intervention_on_consumer_crypto_hardware.pdf :
asciilifeform: 'The PX-1000 is a device capable of transmitting encrypted text messages over telephone lines. We show that the original version that was produced by TextLite implements the DES algorithm correctly. In 1983, when Philips USFA distributed this device as the PX- 1000Cr, the NSA made a deal with Philips USFA to implement an alternative algorithm. For this alternative version we show that it does
asciilifeform: implement a stream cipher instead of the DES algorithm.'
asciilifeform: ( http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Jf4CH/?raw=true << ascii ver, sans photos )
asciilifeform: ^ the earliest, if one is to believe, currently known example of nsa sabotaging ~consumer~ crypto
shinohai: "alternative algo"
mircea_popescu: https://blockchain.info/block-index/1472286/00000000000000000204cd2c9840023f1434f3dcdd7f471e4b8c8638d14d7006 << "bitcoin unlimited" block lel
asciilifeform: looks like normal 1MB
asciilifeform: what do these ~do~..?
mircea_popescu: it's more magic byte / versioning skulldulgery
mircea_popescu: trinque did you have the "leika" idiots over there ?
mircea_popescu: romania (well, bucharest) was at some point full of photography-artsy hipsters
asciilifeform: ain't that ~all blocks since year or so ago?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform some voting bs, i've not followed too closely.
mircea_popescu: after the horrific failure of the "voting" bs last time around, most nobody gives a shit.
mircea_popescu: anyway, irrelevant as it is - currently "bu" is ahead of "segwit" in terms of prbisms.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not simply that, you'll have to actually go drink the tardswamp if you want specifics.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is there any substantial difference b/w the 2 schemes ?
asciilifeform: iirc both were 'we'll mine a >1MB block ANY DAY NAO'
mircea_popescu: this isn't bitwise.
asciilifeform: (i have deeply nfi re what's keeping'em. they can fire the phorkwarz first shot whenever)
asciilifeform: mine 1GB, 1TB, 1PB block if they want.
mircea_popescu: not like we're anymore prepared for this summer than we were for the last.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-07 18:49 mircea_popescu: just as long as i pay 700 bux to the trb, it's not going anywhere.
mircea_popescu: oh i see.
asciilifeform: ( at any rate, this'd be the first time a supposed unpreparedness of opponent, kept somebody from firing 1st shot )
mircea_popescu: point fucking being, technologically we're what, 10 years away from actually having a worthy replacement ? at the present rate, at least.
asciilifeform: depends what is 'worthy replacement'
mircea_popescu: vaguely maybe we cut the wallet, i dunno, sometime in 2018, vaguely maybe we make the first steps towards testing some basics re possible db move, maybe by 2019 etc
asciilifeform: paradoxically a trb-i is light years easier than 'cleaned trb'
mircea_popescu: if they manage to stumble in their own robes and throusers until 2030 or so, trb might even live!
asciilifeform: esp given that i discovered how to use NO DB
asciilifeform: (fixed length tx)
asciilifeform: but this find is applicable, sadly, ~only~ to trbi
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of unsexy, actually needed work.
asciilifeform: there is more 'unsexy, necessary work' than there are, or ever will be, hands
asciilifeform: so gotta set priority, neh
asciilifeform: sorta why beelzebub saw it fit to send us mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: yes but!
mircea_popescu: truth be told, we have a very serious problem getting new people to actually get head out of ass do something useful.
mircea_popescu: 99.9x% of everything is done by people who have been here since founding. tis a little worrysome.
asciilifeform: maybe test the hypothesis re the obedient gurls
asciilifeform: have'em learn ada, etc.
mircea_popescu: and shall i send you in the field ?
mircea_popescu: i'm not about to turn an ox into a duck. and to be very clear, one obedient gurl is worth about fifty or so exceptional programmers.
asciilifeform: last i looked out the window i was as 'in' the field as one might hope in any nightmare, neh
asciilifeform: i have 0 comment on what the duck and the ox are worth
mircea_popescu: so no, there won't be any turning of gurls into dudes. maybe the reverse, though it seems the process is kinda lossy.
mircea_popescu: anyway. not all good things are for that goodness necessarily permitted to exist. maybe humanity is altogether too dumb to have a bitcoin. i guess in time we'll definitely find out.
asciilifeform: well if mircea_popescu's statement is to be taken literally, 'one ox is worth 50 ducks', seems like if you need ducks for something, it'd be a trade you could make.
asciilifeform: or if not -- then obviously not.
mircea_popescu: understand, i was mp before bitcoin was invented. i will be mp after it crashes and burns. tis not a need, for me.
mircea_popescu: i'd like to see it succeed. that's how far it goes.
asciilifeform: dunno from whence came the notion that mircea_popescu 'needed'
mircea_popescu: i'm not going to squeeze the world through the eye of a needle because i'm so infatuated with conceptual beauty that i can't resist. i can resist jus' fine.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you just said ? above ?
asciilifeform: i said: 'if'
mircea_popescu: well, there's no if. i dun need, tis the fucking point of life in any sense. the less you need the better off you'll be.
asciilifeform: theoretically mircea_popescu dun need, e.g., computer, could have continued to sit on his cocaine yacht in costa rica, until end of his days
asciilifeform: or wherever else.
mircea_popescu: but i'm not about to burn regency furniture for heat, and i'm not about to set girls that can go out and talk to people in front of a computer to ada.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's grandfather pre-'41 was professor of physics; but post-'41 -- cannoneer. because stalin needed cannoneers.
asciilifeform: so sometimes -- microscope is a hammer, why not.
mircea_popescu: in other news in the same vein, the pirate bay doesn't seem to have... the story of o.
mircea_popescu: tons of retardedness with morgan freeman, aaron schwartz, what have you.
asciilifeform: waiwut ~that~ aaronschwartz?
asciilifeform: the hanging one?
mircea_popescu: i imagine.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i expect it;s some flimsy attempt to attention whore through keyword stuffing by some inept cunt in california, who has a lot of college debt and utterly no skills to speak of.
asciilifeform: i have deeply nfi, my contact with this species, fwiw, is 0. there is ppm of cockroach in my coffee, and ppm of mouse in my bread, there is 0 of these in my anything afaik.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to come back to it : there's a particular vacuum occuring in bitcoin, 2016-2017 so far, whereby the technically competent are relatively improductive, and the inept, instead of standing to attention before them, are stuck producing the inane bs they produce
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how to address the problem (clearly generated by the unfortunate combination of deep imbecility inborn in americans and the deep suicidal streak of the female state as it is), and so what can i say.
mircea_popescu: kinda frustrating.
asciilifeform: could make, say, updated Open Problems list, say.
mircea_popescu: and in general, the hallucinant delusion that person is in position to "own free will" and "self determination" and fucking humanism is five quarters of the whole problem.
mircea_popescu: suppose the list is there. what next ?
asciilifeform: then either folx solve, or 'humanity too dumb to deserve goodies', what.
mircea_popescu: "oh hurr durr, i am going to now judge this list."
mircea_popescu: really ?
mircea_popescu: "and having so judged, i will now apply myself to problem i selected by criteria."
mircea_popescu: REALLY ?
asciilifeform: alternatively catch people and trap'em in a cellar and make'em work..
asciilifeform: (seems to flow out of the 'delusion of free will' comment)
asciilifeform: i dun see a 'third' here
mircea_popescu: free fucking will, suppose you go to a mall where they blindfold you and take your credit card.
mircea_popescu: free will much ?
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is someone who doesn't know supposed to choose.
asciilifeform: 'low information voter' (tm) (r) aha
phf: we did just burn significant amount of humint on reimplementing irc bots and log servers
mircea_popescu: but not even it, they can't be high informatio,
mircea_popescu: i'm a low information fucking voter, bitcoin is a) unreadable and b) a humongous uncomprehended problem anyway!
mircea_popescu: phf you think it burnt ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw at this point i understand (in the arithmetic sense) how it (protocolically) worx
asciilifeform: nao wat.
mircea_popescu: i may dare say the same, especially in the evenings after a cognac or two.
asciilifeform: ( hey nubbins, i dun need the b00k no moar!111!! )
mircea_popescu: nao not much. we have between us a literal raft of problems with tentative statement and tentative possible solutions.
asciilifeform: the thing that cools asciilifeform's enthusiasm re 'trbi' to somewhere south of 3 kelvin, is that it isn't clear to him that anybody actually wants this, for something
mircea_popescu: the "at some point the idiots pulling on the tablecloth will rip it, and the a) here's a replacement is way better than the b) i guess we should think of replacement" ?
mircea_popescu: ain't convincing, i meant.
mircea_popescu: sorta goes in the "parachute - folded before jumping" vein.
asciilifeform: i oughta be quite specific re : 'nobody wants'. say i write a trbi, along one of the described schemes. nao wat -- mircea_popescu mines it ? and after this, who will want it ? 'just another premined alt!111' etc.
mircea_popescu: phf understand the significant costs of p2p syncronization, as just yesterday exemplified in say http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-07#1622837 ; the electricity bitcoin burns is an investment, in social order. just like the pyamids.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-07 17:30 mircea_popescu: this has been a honest-to-god real-time davout node emerging in march going "so guyse... chatlog-block-419333 is highest rite ?" and resyncs ensued.
asciilifeform: and 0 interest to the luser reddit folx et al. (why would it)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you conflate many things. having the car ready doesn't necessitate it being launched early.
phf: well, i regret spending so much energy on infrastructure, but i saw it as necessary evil. the fact that others had to i see in terms of personal failure at best
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tru!
mircea_popescu: phf no, it is not failure or waste. it is the necessary basis for independent human intelligence.
mircea_popescu: the syren song of "oh, how wasteful" is always the side a of a record that goes the same old droning rooseveltism.
mircea_popescu: on side b.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: since we're on subj of 'trbi', i was hoping to see the thread continue, re whether mempools, or whether my particular, or some other, scheme for abolition of mempool can be made to work , and so forth
mircea_popescu: me too, but i'm not intelligent enough to be able to say something this soon.
mircea_popescu: anyway, but the "i go write trbi" thing is not particularly useful as an exercise in solipsism, herculean or otherwise.
mircea_popescu: that's a large part of the true problem, i suspect -- people who are truly capable are VERY used to labouring in solitude, becauyse hey, ever since about 6 they encountered the unleashed idiocy of world and formed bad habits.
mircea_popescu: so trb-ing is a huge anti-impedancer for everyone who could be working on it.
asciilifeform: i even suspect that the ~truly~ capable have formed lethal allergy to entire notion of programming a comp
asciilifeform: and will not appear regardless.
mircea_popescu: well there is that.
asciilifeform: (they ~might~ come to a pre-set table, as mircea_popescu to bitcoin. ~might~)
mircea_popescu: some can sometimes be seduced, evidently, but it's a very iffy proposition.
asciilifeform: but i'd be the last to know what ought to go on such a table.
asciilifeform: (i have some notion of what ought ~not~ to go on the table. but 'omit liquishit' does not get you a champion cook title )
mircea_popescu: anyway, much more in the general -- the republic of intelligent people will only succeed in rendering the idiots back to their chains if it somehow actually gets the intelligent people involved.
mircea_popescu: which is the mirror statement of this -- peasants can be kept packing mud in the buff by a round table. 40 knights aren't 4, which aren't 2 etcetera.
asciilifeform: raises the question, of what the 'knights' are doing instead.
asciilifeform: ..the bottle?
mircea_popescu: being sad.
mircea_popescu: what were you doing instead ?
asciilifeform: i happen to have entire www dedicated to the particular variant of being sad!111
mircea_popescu: so yeah. being sad.
asciilifeform: ( for instance, this http://www.loper-os.org/?p=702 ultimately pointless lens grinding, ate most of a year!! )
asciilifeform: while we have this thread: i often come back in my head to the question of why folx visit, and then choose to go back to being-sad.
asciilifeform: e.g. the finn
asciilifeform: what became of the finn.
asciilifeform: !#seen kmalkki
a111: 2016-10-15 <kmalkki> apu1 also really needs DBREQn asserted to give access to USEHDT IR/DR pair
asciilifeform: or, say,
asciilifeform: !#seen mike_c
a111: 2016-04-27 <mike_c> at least you won the 'most famous mircea popescu' award - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mircea+popescu
mircea_popescu: how did that go, "but my son and my daughter came out of the water and said papa you'd promised you'd play..."
mircea_popescu: there's plenty of bottles everywhere ; and one who's blind drunk already has serious trouble seeing straight
mircea_popescu: not to mention, it wouldn't be the first time. you understand this ? most tried things, in a widening fan, a la alf's own nsa attempt.
mircea_popescu: socially inept males aren't born socially inept, nor do they build their ineptitude in a day.
asciilifeform: aha, picture it, i could be in there nao, massaging Classification Guides (tm) (r) or somesuch cthonian horror
mircea_popescu: it's built over numerous attempts, through miscalibrated point "improvements"
asciilifeform: fwiw asciilifeform was 100% 'socially ept' before moved to monkeystan.
asciilifeform: but has problems interacting with monkeys as if they were people.
mircea_popescu: ept lol. apt!
mircea_popescu: in short : there's no shortage of distractions, and sorting through them requires a criteria, which is fundamentally incompatible with sadness.
mircea_popescu: because that's entirely what sadness is : the perception of the impossibility of a criteria, formed on the basis of extended periods of absent criteria.
asciilifeform: 'Налево пойдешь - коня потеряешь, Направо пойдешь - жизнь потеряешь; Прямо пойдешь – жив будешь, да себя позабудешь' (tm) (r) (ru fairy tale)
mircea_popescu: which in turn is driven by -- the fact that you're capable to abstractly form criteria is not useful if those criteria exclude "the whole world", because well, by definition that's not a criteria ; and if this situation is passible of occuring, you're in the meta-unfortunate position where you lack the outside authority that may challenge the parts where your abstracted criteria are actually misstated.
mircea_popescu: that latter part happens here all the fucking time, at that.
asciilifeform: the endgame is eating nagant.
mircea_popescu: pretty sure that's also a romanian tale. something with valley of eternal life and the maidens thereof ?
asciilifeform: aha, there is a variant where turning right gets you a wife
asciilifeform: or similar.
asciilifeform: fwiw, and i think i mentioned this in the past, asciilifeform's own brother knows what we do here, and likes to say 'futile, people are idiots, nobody will use genuine crypto,' etc
mircea_popescu: paragon of sad.
asciilifeform: and the mr.t-uses-snapchat (or what was it) does not exactly disprove.
mircea_popescu: perhaps explain to him that the entire point is for "the people" to be doomed, and i mean it quite literally, warsaw ghetto liquidation style.
asciilifeform: i dun do much for the sad folx, who know that they have tickets reserved for same wagen
mircea_popescu: o, they do ?
mircea_popescu: and in other "what not to do with a girl", http://68.media.tumblr.com/ccaee0a5a25aaede56a797d0df81065a/tumblr_off2dl0sU11vfo18mo1_500.gif
mircea_popescu: you know ?
asciilifeform: kindergartener knows
asciilifeform: or i'd naively imagine he oughta
mircea_popescu: yeah, your idea of kindergarteners might not be exactly on point.
asciilifeform: re other 'sad people', asciilifeform's pet is fond of remarking 'if your work did >0, why you not yet been gassed'
asciilifeform: which is imho a point
mircea_popescu: because no gas lol.
asciilifeform: gas for hastings, but not for asciilifeform !11
asciilifeform: must be rationed, for Effective People
mircea_popescu: oh, is your girl the deep font of all the we-thought-it-was-specifically-alfish big-usg conspiracism ?
mircea_popescu: and yeah, bring her over, i wanna ask her why she don't do teh boob scribbling
asciilifeform: answered 'if you want, i'll do it, whatever'
asciilifeform: ( which takes all the sport out!111 )
mircea_popescu: lol! i wanted to ask her!
asciilifeform: she'll be in the next asciilifeform-expedition, then mircea_popescu could ask...
mircea_popescu: what, no fingers ? no computor ?
mircea_popescu: i don't ask suck things in person, as you well know i'm socially shy. gotta do it from behind kbd.
asciilifeform: she has a box that wwwiates, and not much else . (mostly lives in paper.)
asciilifeform: one day
mircea_popescu: why so shy anyway.
asciilifeform: ( pet, answering this : 'you promised to fuck hour ago, and instead you are on the console doing this nonsense' )
mircea_popescu: lol aite. ttyl!
ben_vulpes: lol much surprise
mircea_popescu: i imagine he's now going to spend a pleasant half hour seing various alphanumeric strings on assorted parts.
mircea_popescu is vaguely amused at the synchronization of the ladies-behind-the-lords : just as one's sucked in, another's spat out.
ben_vulpes: eh i've yet to get my sucking tonight
ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/wallet.cpp?v=makefiles#0306 << the "no seriously i mean it" flag in action
mircea_popescu: anyway... bbl.
asciilifeform: in other noose, somebody's selling a crate of old usgtrons containing 'clipper chip' on shitbay, lel
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ..the bottle? << Apparently makes newsmen in tradition of cazalla and BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: Otherwise sometimes symptom of the sad
mircea_popescu: onlooker get a proper client and stop with the join/part lest you get banned.