adlai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/19B0HZY.txt
adlai places faith in log-based delivery and nudges shinohai on his way to class
phf: apropos, http://btcbase.org/log/?nick=phf will highlight all the messages from and to nick (it's half baked, like it doesn't get preserved when you switch pages, but i have the logs bookmarked that way, so that i can see if i got mentioned at a glance)
BingoBoingo: ty adlai
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/01/bitcoin-mining-difficulty-up-amazing-16-64-as-usual-another-all-time-high/ << Qntra - Bitcoin Mining Difficulty Up Amazing 16.64% (As Usual Another All Time High)
phf: thestringpuller: i have just the bag for you http://draughtdrygoods.tumblr.com/post/51029383094/draught-dry-goods-getaway-duffel-in-unwashed
davout: "I designed it to hold one million dollars in cash, and that’s why it’s named The Getaway Duffel."
jurov: kek "But the data from the mainframes was actually arriving in less than six milliseconds. The bottleneck was — of course — the Java application."
deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/01/23/ordinary-trouble-of-an-euloran-explorer/ << Ossasepia - Ordinary trouble of an Euloran explorer
mircea_popescu: in idle consideratons today : what are the odds random fat chick calls herself "unalocamas" ; and how do they stack against the odds random crazy chick calls herself "unagordamas"
BingoBoingo: 3?
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: (the lulz here, for noobs, is that in classical medicine mental derangement was deemed a major driver of being fat)
BingoBoingo: There's a reason why it's the classic explanation
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: in other lulz: https://archive.is/THGQG >> 'Asked whether a missile had mis-fired, she said she was not going to get into "operational details" and would not say whether Mrs May had been told this. Questioned by the BBC's Andrew Marr on Sunday, Prime Minister Theresa May refused four times to say whether she had known about the test firing ahead of the vote. ... "There is a convention that we don't talk about the deterrent... because
asciilifeform: that is the nature of the deterrent - it is about the security of this nation and I would fully support the prime minister in avoiding those questions," he said. A statement issued by Downing Street and the MoD said the capability and effectiveness of Trident was "unquestionable".'
mircea_popescu: lol security of this nation.
mircea_popescu: security from what ? the only enemy is already there ; and the only thing he'd ever do he's already doing, trading the 13yo not-yet-bloomed english roses like goats.
mircea_popescu: exactly what does theresa may imagine she's protecting and from whom ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: protecting own neck from the noose, as per http://qntra.net/2017/01/the-fourth-reich-grips-berlin
asciilifeform: trident is mandatory per britain's post-1945 role as 'airstrip one'
mircea_popescu: myeah. what the fuck is with stupid people, keep picking deeply inadequate weapons ?
asciilifeform: it isn't intended to ~work~, srsly
asciilifeform: it is part of fellating usg.
mircea_popescu: a nigger called theresa may misusing ancient and dysfunctional "nuclear weapons" is not substantially different from a nigger called antron singleton going from diner table to diner urinal with an antitank rocket launcher in each hand
mircea_popescu: what the fuck are they gonna do with the hardware ?
asciilifeform: strut, parade, for massah, what.
mircea_popescu: i guess.
mircea_popescu: you'd expect middle class middled aged white women are slightly above the nonsense, but i guess it's not the case for theresa may.
asciilifeform: which nonsense. (traditionally) the handlers don't even let near the wheel, anybody who showed symptoms of having so much as latent ability to tell usg to pack it
asciilifeform: and when an orc does -- out he goes. like kaddafi, yanukovych, et al.
mircea_popescu: she really got nothing better to do with her time than dancing for nickels ?
BingoBoingo: Obviously not
mircea_popescu: i guess so huh.
mircea_popescu: place aspires to be an empire, best it can produce is a tacticool newb.
asciilifeform: empire eaten and digested long ago.
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/19B0HZY.txt
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: !~later tell adlai we square now?
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: ty
shinohai: o7
shinohai: qntra incoming
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/1YaPo/?raw=true
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: The peter jokes are good, but the mentioned peter's just aren't people enough.
BingoBoingo: Unless maybe rewritted.
shinohai: hmmm kk
BingoBoingo: Prolly a better way to rewrite it.
BingoBoingo: Also when linking wot'd persons feel free to link to wot.deedbot.org
shinohai: mb
BingoBoingo: Also if nobodies are to be talked about, "Who they think they are" is helpful.
thestringpuller: !~ticker
jhvh1: thestringpuller: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 919.98, Best ask: 919.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 919.99, 24 hour volume: 10491.57906088, 24 hour low: 910.01, 24 hour high: 928.87, 24 hour vwap: None
BingoBoingo: In the tabloids http://www.returnofkings.com/113272/man-who-sucker-punched-alt-right-leader-richard-spencer-may-literally-be-a-shit-eating-cuckhold
trinque: chick needs to eat better
trinque: those look dry
BingoBoingo: lol
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/W0FIQ << in other lulz. 'Western Union admits to aiding wire fraud, to pay $586 mln'
asciilifeform: 'Western Union Co, the world's biggest money-transfer company, agreed to pay $586 million and admitted to turning a blind eye as criminals used its service for money laundering and fraud, U.S. authorities said on Thursday. Western Union, which has over half a million locations in more than 200 countries, admitted "to aiding and abetting wire fraud" by allowing scammers to process transactions, even when the company realized its agent
asciilifeform: s were helping scammers avoid detection, the U.S. Department of Justice and the Federal Trade Commission said in statements.'
mircea_popescu: gotta pay for them f69s somehow
phf: or in the words of monkey dust "Hello, I'm Ivan Dobsky. I'm the Meatsafe Murderer, only I never done it. I only said I'd done so they'd take the jump cables off me testicles."
phf: namecheap just lost my domain records. i would not have known about it, if fastmail didn't send me a notification, that mx records have changed..
phf: "sincerely most honestly sorries, due to technical glitch, but all fixed noa!!1"
trinque: the same happened to me; they then reverted me to a quite old version of them.
phf: wtf "Welcome to Namecheap.com. Dear Customer, Thank you very much for signing up with us..."
mircea_popescu: namecheap.com, the world's biggest functiona ux ajax website, agreed to pay $randomnumber and admitted to being unable to safely store data even as idiots fucked around on the lone dnssec-mysql server.
mircea_popescu: or wait, that's from an alt-universe.
deedbot: http://danielpbarron.com/2017/if-it-was-my-daughter/ << Daniel P. Barron - If it was my daughter
thestringpuller: namecheap has fallen to the bottom of the barrel. i only stay with them because the cost of migrating the domain is about the same as 3 years of having the domain...
thestringpuller: everyone wants to use the comcast business model of annoying you out of your money
asciilifeform: there is afaik no useful reason to migrate, dnsism is a straight 'strip mine' business model (lure in chumps, then turn scammer and fleece'em) afaik.
asciilifeform: every registrar i know of, has followed this pattern.
asciilifeform: and given as the good being sold is fundamentally chumpatronic, not mega-surprise.
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf do you know of any public cl implementation where all os-specific liquishit is reasonably compartmentalized ? (it isn't in sbcl, cmucl, or ccl, and did i miss anything..??)
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
deedbot: danielpbarron updated rating of juliatourianski_ from 5 to 4 << Absence does not always make the heart grow fonder
deedbot: danielpbarron updated rating of BingoBoingo from 3 to 2 << Obnoxiously dedicated to republican memes and a promoter of false religions
deedbot: danielpbarron updated rating of diana_coman from 3 to 4 << Anyway a shrewd negotiator anyway
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: i'm a bit surprised a segwit stoolie ranks as positive in your book
ben_vulpes: and in other news, trumpreich out of the tpp eh?
mircea_popescu: what is a tpp ?
ben_vulpes: "trans pacific partnership"
mircea_popescu: a. yeah he been making noises about it for 6 mo
ben_vulpes: an american politician following through on campaign noises is astonishing i tell you
deedbot: danielpbarron updated rating of pete_dushenski from 3 to 2 << Any pride is too much pride
mircea_popescu: now this is tru
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you're not seriously talking about bb's aa are you ?
mircea_popescu: well ? chicks loyal to her son's father which didn't do much for her yet nevertheless bb shouldn't be allowed to like the club that fixed a problem for him ?
deedbot: danielpbarron unrated Gaxaro.
ben_vulpes: segwit is an assault on bitcoin, no two ways about it.
ben_vulpes: by extension, the republic.
mircea_popescu: this ironically mirrors my impression of segwit.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i thought aa people were very gingerly careful to not say they're a religion.
deedbot: danielpbarron unrated bagels7.
a111: Logged on 2016-01-20 04:34 danielpbarron: http://www.atruechurch.info/aa.html >> A.A. admits they have no cure, but that's because they are under the delusion that there isn't one.
deedbot: danielpbarron unrated bcb.
deedbot: danielpbarron unrated cazalla.
deedbot: danielpbarron unrated fghj.
deedbot: danielpbarron updated rating of ben_vulpes from 1 to 3 << Very friendly helpful and patient
deedbot: danielpbarron updated rating of shinohai from 1 to 2 << Puts in the work
shinohai: why ty danielpbarron
deedbot: danielpbarron updated rating of phf from -1 to 1 << Pays attention
ben_vulpes: patient heh
deedbot: danielpbarron updated rating of trinque from 2 to 1 << Quick to anger
trinque: !!v 35BE6FD444EDADCA0D04E3D681106E8E31D791197B44DB40CF2D763EEE61E732
deedbot: trinque rated BingoBoingo 1 << Ye shall know them by their memes.
asciilifeform: ^ arbitrary code execution.
asciilifeform: 'Cisco's WebEx extension (jlhmfgmfgeifomenelglieieghnjghma) has ~20M active users, and is part of Cisco's popular web conferencing software. The extension works on any URL that contains the magic pattern "cwcsf-nativemsg-iframe-43c85c0d-d633-af5e-c056-32dc7efc570b.html", which can be extracted from the extensions manifest. Note that the pattern can occur in an iframe, so there is not necessarily any user-visible indication of what is
asciilifeform: happening, visiting any website would be enough.'
asciilifeform: 'The extension uses nativeMessaging, so this magic string is enough for any website to execute arbitrary code (!!).'
mircea_popescu: ciscos's popular web conferincing software ? sorry ?
mircea_popescu: no fucking way. IF it has 20k users it's a wonder. and those 20k users are indians doing vaguely anal sexthings to each other.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'webex' is pestilentially common in usa.
asciilifeform: ~ubiquitous, among the Professionally Sad.
mircea_popescu: these are unrelated items.
asciilifeform: waiwat
mircea_popescu: there aren'ty 20mn professionally sad, you understand.
mircea_popescu: moreover, they're inactive by definition.
asciilifeform: whatever they are -- they're pwnable, silently and cleanly, for probably quite a while.
mircea_popescu: i'm sure.
mats: https://huwieler.net/2017/01/18/chelsea-manning-in-basic-combat-training << luls, guy that went to BCT with Manning says he was a little bitch even then
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-23#1606203 << There is only a daily repreive contingent on improving one's spiritual condition
a111: Logged on 2017-01-23 22:11 danielpbarron: bb and I discussed this in the log already http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-20#1378244
mats: my time in OSUT was a breeze and mostly an exercise in schadenfreude, its a cake walk unless you're mentally unstable or a fatbody
mats: worst part was not having anything mentally stimulating to do, i had to ask people to send me books in the mail so i could read something besides labels on shampoo bottles and the fucking bible
mats: i went to all of the religious services - even the one for wiccans - to collect reading materials and sleep in the pews
asciilifeform: mats: they give'em time to read bibles?!!
ben_vulpes: mats: how many times have you read the old testament?
mats: asciilifeform: a coupla hours per day were dedicated just to standing around waiting for shit to happen, ie, waiting for the cattle trucks to appear so they could shuttle recruits to the training sites
mats: ben_vulpes: i grew up in the church, so... i lost count
asciilifeform: mats: sounds like heaven
asciilifeform: mats: you could play chess in your head! etc
mats: its mind numbing, i did actually play chess on paper as a mental exercise for some weeks
mats: e4 e5 ... f3 c6 ... etc. looking back it does feel like i kinda slept through most of it, standing up
ben_vulpes: mats: ah well i can see how it'd be less than riveting then
mats: the best part was watching fatties get yelled at and smoked for being unable to complete exercises
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-23#1606168 << this will be VERBOTEN HATE SPEECH but amazon's registration and dns record handling is entirely adequate
a111: Logged on 2017-01-23 20:13 asciilifeform: every registrar i know of, has followed this pattern.
shinohai: ah interesting danielpbarron
ben_vulpes: aws console is very heavy on the javascript, but light on the ux
shinohai: !~bible 1 Corinthians 13 4-8
jhvh1: shinohai: ERROR: Failed to load/parse the verse or page. Check your syntax.
shinohai: !~bible 1 Cor 13 4-8
jhvh1: shinohai: ERROR: Failed to load/parse the verse or page. Check your syntax.
shinohai: ?
shinohai: f
ben_vulpes: "this is my domain. there are many like it, but this one is mine."
ben_vulpes: one man, one verse, one vote, one line
shinohai: !~bible 1 Corinthians 13:8
jhvh1: shinohai: [KJV] 1 Corinthians 13:8 :: Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
shinohai: thats it i was checking if it banned > 3 lines! :D
ben_vulpes: heh
ben_vulpes: i made people read corinthians at standup for a while
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-23#1606183 << watch peanut gallery take 360 on tpp, since trump did it
a111: Logged on 2017-01-23 22:02 ben_vulpes: an american politician following through on campaign noises is astonishing i tell you
shinohai: ty
shinohai: but no, more than 5 lines is reserved for private channels
ben_vulpes: phf: tpp would have saved clitorises and improved livelihoods of innumerable foreign brown people
ben_vulpes: you racist
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: does it work with non-aws servers?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you can point whatever record at whichever ip
asciilifeform: sooo wat's the catch
ben_vulpes: you have to give jeff bezos money?
ben_vulpes: by my read it's a small side thing they provide to get as much ops cognition to happen through their tooling as possible
trinque: it's not like AWS is *more* usgtronic than namecheap et al
trinque: gonna DNS at all, might as well do it at the most-fed ministry
mod6: evenin'
ben_vulpes: heya mod6
phf: asciilifeform: i somehow missed that later tell, i thought it was in pm
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-23#1606170 << no, and i think it's a combination of "scaring" and complexity. takes a lot of effort to build one from scratch. clim's beach actually tried building one, SICL https://github.com/robert-strandh/SICL which is closest to "compartmenalized", but i'm not sure where it is. probably heavy WIP stage. (and reading the ilc slides it seems like it's beach/mcclim style overengineered)
a111: Logged on 2017-01-23 21:47 asciilifeform: !~later tell phf do you know of any public cl implementation where all os-specific liquishit is reasonably compartmentalized ? (it isn't in sbcl, cmucl, or ccl, and did i miss anything..??)
asciilifeform: i can't really think of any excuse why the 'machine anchor' of common lisp HAS to be any bigger than, e.g., tinyscheme's
asciilifeform: (i.e. the portion not written in 'itself')
ben_vulpes: strandh got his working in llvm in relatively short order
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what means 'on llvm'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: rather, what does the build chain look like in this example ?
ben_vulpes: step1: buy an apple box
phf: ben_vulpes: you mean clang?
phf: err
ben_vulpes: i
phf: clasp
ben_vulpes: don't know?
ben_vulpes: yse
ben_vulpes: yes*
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: llvm is mighty heavy, so i'm not sure how this statement disproves mine
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't really know what you're asking. his uses llvm-ir to tie into cpp, it's the ~whole point of it.
asciilifeform: what i am asking is to dispense with the motherfucking cpp.
ben_vulpes: and yes wtf llvm is an iridium brick of apple compiler phd time
asciilifeform: and the horse it rode in on.
asciilifeform: 64kB of asm or fuckoff.
ben_vulpes: you don't want this nice abstraction layer?
asciilifeform: (e.g., Mulisp, is 47kB!)
ben_vulpes: you won't even taste the poop anymore. it's really nice...
phf: well, you can probably write an evaluator for lisp core (and host something like sicl on top), but the result is going to be dog slow, at which point you'll have to work out an optimization strategy that's not going to leave scaring. that's a long and careful project, an anathema in open source
asciilifeform: i'll point out that mulisp (47kB) included bignum (again, in asm)
phf: (fwiw last time i checked in with clasp, it was also dog slow, probably a combination of insane technology tower and lack of optimization strategy, that all goes back to original point "writing lisp is hard")
asciilifeform: optimization has to begin with sane evaluator design (e.g. appropriate use of the type bits, integrated numeric tower, cdr-coding)
phf: it's also possible that the development cycle that involves basically no way to twitch (i.e. you're either hacking for 5 hours or gaming for 2 or you're on "trilema bbs" for 30 minutes) has something to do with it ;)
asciilifeform: eh the ancients had distractions of their own.
adlai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-24#1606296 << SICL's status makes a lot more sense in-context: "It is intentionally divided into many implementation-independent modules that are written in a totally or near-totally portable way, so as to allow other implementations to incorporate these modules from SICL, rather than having to maintain their own, perhaps implementation-specific versions"
a111: Logged on 2017-01-24 01:16 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-23#1606170 << no, and i think it's a combination of "scaring" and complexity. takes a lot of effort to build one from scratch. clim's beach actually tried building one, SICL https://github.com/robert-strandh/SICL which is closest to "compartmenalized", but i'm not sure where it is. probably heavy WIP stage. (and reading the ilc slides it seems like it's beach/mcclim style overengineered)