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BingoBoingo: Power Move For Bannon: Forgive it and blame Obama.
BingoBoingo: Or Clinton/BushFoxNews/Obama
BingoBoingo: Watch how many poor stay poor
mircea_popescu: hey, i'd totally see trump go on tv first day of term and say "all us college degrees are utterly worthless anyway, so nobody should have to pay back anything to anyone for them."
mircea_popescu: and sign executive order. see what happens.
mircea_popescu: harvard will get really, really angry and... what ? birbe putin to invade ?
mircea_popescu: with what money, with all their apple stock that could buy russia ?
BingoBoingo: Or pin bailout to successful trade school + apprenticeship in trade for maximal butthurt
mircea_popescu: or pin it to posting sharpie in pooper.
mircea_popescu: total nuclear countrywide cuntgrab.
BingoBoingo: Seriously though, baristas waiting for waiting for screenplay idea who refuse to work with dirty and wood and hands are stuck still in debt because circular saws are so unfair
BingoBoingo: OMG concrete dust on THESE jeans!
BingoBoingo: OMG no air conditioning until AFTER building wired!
BingoBoingo: It'll be like Elliot and the staircase on a mass scale!
BingoBoingo: Also for alf's satisfaction, Shipyards.
trinque: nodes in the svg are hyperlinks nao, thickness indicates rating value
trinque probably will have a nick & fp search on it in a few days, pubkey download, sorts on table cols
mircea_popescu: dun dun dun
mircea_popescu: trinque can also has link to deeds, sorted by sig ?
mircea_popescu: and to phf's v viewer, idem ?
trinque: certainly can
mircea_popescu: ah these are exciting times
deedbot: << Trilema - Liberals ? What liberals ?
mod6: injector/coil pack job done. runs like a watch.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-21 06:11 trinque: << thing's coming along.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: since i'm fiddling around with postgres for work anyway, i'm curious, if you find a moment, could you maybe send me the postgresql.conf file on phuctor's machine? i'd take a look (it's very possible you know much more re. what's needed there, but i'm just curious about a coupla parameters, doesn't hurt to check)
mircea_popescu: mod6 is building his own mig!
shinohai: Now he can spread those chemtrails in style.
mircea_popescu: o hey it works.
mircea_popescu: trinque dots should be stop chars though. i meant actual solid alphanum blocks not ""
mircea_popescu: [a-zA-Z0-9]
mircea_popescu: and in other news nobody cares about, << microsoft management in romania as well as various politicians etc arrested for graft and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: apparently microsoft gets institutional contracts through bribing the local politicians, who could have guessed.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-21 06:11 trinque: << thing's coming along.
asciilifeform: !!unrate xmj
asciilifeform: !!unrate liquidassets
asciilifeform: !!unrate blazedout419
asciilifeform: !!unrate oleanie
asciilifeform: !!unrate nubbins`
Framedragger: !!unrate pirateat40
asciilifeform: !!unrate mrottenkolber
asciilifeform: !!unrate moiety
asciilifeform: !!unrate foofingers
asciilifeform: !!unrate felipelalli
asciilifeform: !!unrate Joshua-I
asciilifeform: !!unrate kakobrekla
asciilifeform: !!v B1BF8003C266C52D0E6DC6A23934E319AA442E196EF13AB71CD197818E7D36B3
deedbot: asciilifeform unrated xmj.
Framedragger: !!v 43755F6E0D0835E77B954BEAAC0470B159FBF960D48D2084B182FE18C40C33C0
deedbot: Framedragger unrated pirateat40.
asciilifeform: !!v 8F550C59FDD23656CEC6D949AA040416460111BFD7B9D9B2EA51C3EC9F77198C
deedbot: asciilifeform unrated liquidassets.
asciilifeform: !!v B34B58028ABEA83132B79847F9271B53461E7AE22861DBD65632347B9F3A86A8
deedbot: asciilifeform unrated blazedout419.
Framedragger: << so i take it you've made up your mind, or what.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-21 15:06 asciilifeform: !!unrate kakobrekla
Framedragger: just curious.
asciilifeform: !!v 3769980B0282A25042335E25C7771FE15C07060A37FBA842D6247469748FEBD2
deedbot: asciilifeform unrated oleanie.
asciilifeform: !!v E210DA6605B7973A38EE419D75F5F0D1F9E995F884C4770EC3086D17E5777499
deedbot: asciilifeform unrated nubbins`.
asciilifeform: !!v C3FF11B7806409D9317EFA0C439DCC7F8B231C598E43C3C2C7DCC42C1EF3CE6E
deedbot: asciilifeform unrated mrottenkolber.
asciilifeform: !!v BCD771A77975905502CC35D70780072174C8E3000896055352E09CF1B0579808
deedbot: asciilifeform unrated moiety.
asciilifeform: !!v B685E119BF6CCF95582C26B6F87378B1C2FF0A928DAEDCC3DE4C5473F8039794
deedbot: asciilifeform unrated foofingers.
asciilifeform: !!v 18599FB6891FD984BCF677793DE8F54A607E76790871A33C75606E3304E204BD
deedbot: asciilifeform unrated felipelalli.
asciilifeform: !!v A55878DFD3318FD73FBE700D393FC2BC358212282E628827961512BA5C902821
deedbot: asciilifeform unrated Joshua-I.
asciilifeform: !!v 190726C7F33D057F5F084F0BE58A453C1AC69B4C6E582A0FDF7AC76DB3549408
deedbot: asciilifeform unrated kakobrekla.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: 'made up mind' about what. d00d is confined to his own planet forever...
Framedragger: asciilifeform: well, regarding whether a gpg contract was broken, and by whom. but i guess since he doesn't seem like being motivated to present his story in one take, instead of passive-aggressively reminding people of the story by hints, it's a bit derp.
Framedragger: (ah, i guess i see what you mean by 'confined to his own planet'. unrating != negrating.)
asciilifeform: in my mind, you oughta unrate those folx who there is no reasonable expectation of seeing again.
asciilifeform: (other than by way of some joker getting hold of their key)
Framedragger: that makes sense to me, i suppose.
asciilifeform: the one case i can see for keeping 'corpses' around is if they have sigs, that still stand somewhere from your pov
asciilifeform: which none of the above folx do.
asciilifeform: imho one's wot ought to be kept, ideally, clear of 'who-the-fuck-is-that'-s.
mircea_popescu: lettuce quote doctrine at the youth.
mircea_popescu: "It is important to remember that the score associated to a relationship does not mark the direct trust of the scorer for the scoree, but merely the scorer's confidence that the information he has about scoree is correct, accurate, relevant and complete. All four.
mircea_popescu: Let's also note that such a thing as "the direct trust" of X for Y can not even be noted down in the first place, it being entirely a subjective determination of X, and consequently wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen applies. "
Framedragger: hah, wittgenstein.
asciilifeform: there is also the elementary fact that ratings take up space.
Framedragger considers how accurate his information about mp is. the computation required is probably NP-complete, lol.
shinohai: !!unrate naphex
Framedragger: maybe i'll get the opportunity to organize a party in the next 20 years. would be grand.
shinohai: !!v 99DFD7D2987717996C40721EF93346B9CA1E07C7D462354048FAC676D5F116CE
deedbot: shinohai unrated naphex.
shinohai: !!rate trinque 3, trb
shinohai: !!v BDF76E681DF822D787E29E0BCB0A11116F3697FD66F4EDB9F476234DC4A869BD
deedbot: shinohai updated rating of trinque from 2 to 3 <<, trb
shinohai: Well done trinque
trinque: still work to be done, but done soon.
trinque: I'll have the page updates being fired via db trigger. I just don't do this "lets regenerate every page of this book every time the page is read" anymore.
asciilifeform: << betcha they're still 100% winblowz shop tho.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-21 14:33 mircea_popescu: and in other news nobody cares about, << microsoft management in romania as well as various politicians etc arrested for graft and whatnot.
asciilifeform: now, when they make installing winblowz (or for that matter 'africa', and crapple) on a crown comp a punishable offense -- Then! news.
shinohai: I keep reading about this new Ubuntu-based distro Zorin OS ... an "alternative" to Windowze 10
asciilifeform: africa.
asciilifeform: 'Не ходите в Африку, В Африку гулять! В Африке акулы, В Африке гориллы, В Африке большие. Злые крокодилы...' (tm) (r) (korney chukovsky)
shinohai: Sharks in Africa?
a111: Logged on 2016-11-21 14:17 mircea_popescu: trinque dots should be stop chars though. i meant actual solid alphanum blocks not ""
trinque: such elliotism, that what was "distro" is now OS.
shinohai: I'd almost bet a Bitcoin that anond from #eulora will come in with it installed on his laptop next time he surfaces.
asciilifeform: hey, it is so that now a genderfluid comment-patching fuckknowswhat can be 'os developer'
asciilifeform: ahahaha yes. planned for quite some time. 'terrorists are refusing to run openssl crud. let's force'em'
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i used to hold get togethers, we did iirc three.
mircea_popescu: first one in 2013, so why didn;t you come!
mircea_popescu: << and the even more elementary fact that ratings are an open invitation to be asked about x. which one may or may not want to offer.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-21 15:24 asciilifeform: there is also the elementary fact that ratings take up space.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-21 15:16 asciilifeform: in my mind, you oughta unrate those folx who there is no reasonable expectation of seeing again.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-16 17:09 asciilifeform: very talkative corpse
mircea_popescu: the wot is to be based on judgement about the past ; not on projections about the future.
mircea_popescu: there's no escaping the causes not effects thing.
mircea_popescu: << this is exactly why humans run the wot. there's no machinable replacement for answering this type of questions. this is no small matter, incidentally.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-21 15:26 Framedragger considers how accurate his information about mp is. the computation required is probably NP-complete, lol.
phf: << looks like it, i think it might be a bug with cl-irc, i'll look into it
a111: Logged on 2016-11-21 04:48 mircea_popescu: phf << missing from yours ?
scriba: Logged on 2016-11-20: [19:36:42] <mircea_popescu> ACTION tries to read bartle because people keep insisting. aside from his tiresome cabotinism (really bitch, mud1 is a major point of reference, because why, you never heard of rogue/nethack or what) he's about as sighted as a snail. 'cyberpunk teaches designers a number of valuable lessons about the sociology and psychology of players and the
scriba: responsibilities of developers. virtual worlds are not insulated from the real world
phf: also i've been mostly quite in the past two weeks, because i'm sick. i should be back to the regular schedule programming in a week or so
mircea_popescu: a good dose of the clap ?
asciilifeform misread as 'mp-complete'
shinohai: !~later tell mod6 so after roughly 10 minutes, trb will accept a 8192 char string as label :D
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, there's a reason trilema has to be this fucking big.
asciilifeform: shinohai: label??
shinohai: asciilifeform: yesterday we were curious if bounds checking was performed when importing a privkey
asciilifeform: using what patch ? standard trb dun have import..
shinohai: working on a regrind of funkensteins privkey patch
mircea_popescu: nice and thorough huh.
shinohai: It appears db4.8 doesn't really care how large the field is
asciilifeform: lel rudder pedals
mircea_popescu: rudder than rude!
deedbot: << Trilema - Illustrated Tapenade
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone play a lot of rogue / has friends/connections in the rogue/nethack community ?
asciilifeform: there was a ~community~ ?!
mircea_popescu: at least a decade ago they kept track who ascended with what and when and etcetera.
asciilifeform blew countless hours in childhood on these but never met'em as anything other than 1player msdos gamez
asciilifeform: there was another, 'angband'
mircea_popescu: it occurs to me that it's not just a good fit for eulora, but actually very wot and tmsr-like.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there was a pretty cool dungeon crawler (demise) which i loved and always regretted they didn't properly implement it as a roguelike with gfx.
mircea_popescu: david allen, 1995ish
asciilifeform: i always wished for one of these rewritten with 'zzt monster zoo'-style graphics.
mircea_popescu: but nah, demise was advanced, actual paper dollies like the might and magic series.
mircea_popescu: this is more like supaplex, ie flat 2d.
Framedragger: there's dcss which you can play using webtiles, or via standalone executable with gfx (iirc), or via terminal / nethack-style. i haven't played a lot of it but it's nice.
mircea_popescu: this wolf dude is an idiot.
mircea_popescu: << much better thing. that is A MAP at the beginning.
mircea_popescu: (if you teleport into solid walls you're fucked worse than death)
mircea_popescu: it also displays what was wrong with it - fucking rings of magic. get teleport ring + death/fire rings, wipe it all.
mircea_popescu: anyway, eulora dungeons are very likely to look a lot like demise's (except programatically generated).
shinohai: "85% approval on carbonvote" Democracy in action!!!!
shinohai loves the Ethereum casuistry
mircea_popescu: lol moving to solidcoin ?
mircea_popescu: iirc first incarnation of loud imbecile with flock of followers who got publicly owned and moved to "proof of stake" as "solution"
mircea_popescu: buterin is not even original.
mircea_popescu: and in other "avert your eyes" horrors,
deedbot: << Qntra - Yeezus Cancels US Tour Dates After Backlash Against His Support For Trumpreich
mircea_popescu: lol kayne west is "white nationalist" nao ? poor jooz, so much to want, so little to get, so many mind pretzels to make!
BingoBoingo: This is truly a great again time to be alive
mircea_popescu: the alive is great again!
asciilifeform: 'At no point lower in the automatic update process is a cryptographic signature verified. The update server is trusted explicitly and implicitly by every WordPress website online ... They are aware of this issue, and have been for years...'
asciilifeform: 'The WordPress culture, for those who are not aware, prioritizes higher adoption rates over better security.' << gold.
deedbot: << Trilema - Awful offal waffle falafel
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw speaking of "i don't understand what this does therefore it's secure" - you know the rogue rnz ?
ben_vulpes: << ever dabble with 'dwarf fortress'?
a111: Logged on 2016-11-21 17:01 mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone play a lot of rogue / has friends/connections in the rogue/nethack community ?
mircea_popescu: have not.
ben_vulpes: i was a fan when i played vidya games
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: good stuff! horribru UI (in terms of consistencies) iirc (long time ago)
mircea_popescu: i think it was just in my blindspot. apparently everyone goes through a decade-ish of disinterest.
ben_vulpes: rather deep crafting tree, roguelike + 4x
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: ui? dwarf fortress?
ben_vulpes: dwarf fortress is a game you play in spite of the game's best efforts to stop you
mircea_popescu: sounds just like eulora.
ben_vulpes: players wrote their own dwarf mgmt software because the builtin mgmt tools are famously inadequate
mircea_popescu: eulora idem.
ben_vulpes: one can even dig down to hell
mircea_popescu: actually : current lead dev started life as frustrated eulora player who wrote a bot to automate the insanity.
ben_vulpes: classic
Framedragger: main df dev gave up pure math postdoc to focus on df full-time iirc
mircea_popescu: i think you're all a bunch of pervs.
mircea_popescu: oh this is the pixel thing.
mircea_popescu saw collosus, remembers.
mircea_popescu: i... didn't like it.
ben_vulpes: you don't like anything!
mircea_popescu: oddly enough, from this losing article, seems eulora castles are intended to work exactly like fortresses, ie, sooner or latter you'll prolly lose it.
diana_coman: iirc I *did* mention dwarf fortress some time ago precisely because of some similarities; I think mircea_popescu left a message on their wiki/forum/whatevs but nothing/nobody materialised as a result
Framedragger: lol, #dwarffortress on freenode has 185 folx
Framedragger: if there's one thing they have is a fucking dedicated community
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i vaguely recall this.
diana_coman: my xp with the (very few) df players I know is that they are either so dedicated to df or so comfortable with it that they totally unavailable/unwilling to even looking at something else
shinohai: Fucking Eulora ... I had a dream about exploring one night.
diana_coman: they are* /to even consider looking*
diana_coman: ahahaha; did you find a sizable at least?
diana_coman: or some canines ...
shinohai: Nope, just like irl I keep getting smalls xD
mircea_popescu: what a girly complaint.
shinohai: What can I say, the game likes punishing me for taking so long to jump on board.
mircea_popescu: o look, bay12 (like minigame, but for dwarf fortress) does... monthly reports.
Framedragger: that's mainly because the two brows live off of stable donations by their dedicated community, i think. :) but then the community has high expectations and are (in a wishy-washy) sense kinda-shareholders.. so yah, heh.
mircea_popescu: ./libs/Dwarf_Fortress: 1: Syntax error: ")" unexpected << ahem
Framedragger: codebase is a mess (and not open-sores'd) btw
mircea_popescu: so basically they ship binaries which don't run and all the discussion is re df.exe
mircea_popescu: bash: ./Dwarf_Fortress: cannot execute binary file
mircea_popescu: /df_linux/libs$ ./Dwarf_Fortress
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mismatched 'bitness' perhaps ?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: found it
Framedragger: "This error means that you are using the 64-bit edition on a 32-bit system.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform supposedly should run on both
Framedragger: "Try downloading the 32-bit version from the All Versions tab on the Dwarf Fortress download page. "
Framedragger: don't ask me why... :(
mircea_popescu: Framedragger pretty sure the system is 64 bit but anyway
Framedragger: blergh.
mircea_popescu: maybe 32bit compatibility version, lessee
Framedragger: s/brows/bros/
Framedragger: /me afk
Framedragger: (oh that may be for the pack. sorry for spam.)
Framedragger: (because there shouldnt be need for java iirc)
mircea_popescu: meh, dies because doesn't have "shared" libraries which it needs but doesn't bundle.
mircea_popescu aborts teh attempt.
Framedragger: i know how you dislike 'shared libraries', but honestly this is standard practice, yknow.
Framedragger: inb4 "standard practices can suck my dick" - fair, i guess
mircea_popescu: well, standard whatever. i don't have it, they don't supply it, story ends neh ?
mircea_popescu: can pick one of (deliver binaries, expect user to accomodate your library needs). not both.
Framedragger: yeah, tbh sounds about right.
asciilifeform: in very other noose >> << ron rivest -- now asset
mircea_popescu: ahahaha wait, they're still not accepting the election results ?
asciilifeform: 'There are reasons for concern. According to the director of national intelligence, the leaked emails ... .... [buncha claptrap snipped] ... Russian hackers attacked ... A full manual recount of the paper records would be definitive, but that’s unnecessarily difficult, expensive and time-consuming ... There’s an easier way: an audit that manually examines a random sample of the ballots'
asciilifeform: RANDOM sample, aha
asciilifeform: shamir was coopted in '14 . why not also adleman? is the d00d dead or wut.
BingoBoingo: "Despite uneventful Q1 hour cold calorics, weekly MRIs, a record breaking 1,500-hour continuous EEG, and a clinical exam consistent with unquestionable brain death, the patient remained a ‘full code’ at the wishes of his power of attorney. The patient’s family insisted that he has “always been a fighter.”"
BingoBoingo: “His PT/OT evaluation went from partial to full weight bearing on lower extremities now that his rigor mortis has fully set in,”
asciilifeform: in other lulz, asciilifeform went for evening walk and found, on the ground, b00k purporting to be autobiography of karl rove, signed by same
mircea_popescu: that place fucking specializes in talkative corpses
asciilifeform: i have nfi if said corpse even spoke, or 'ghost'
asciilifeform: b00k will go to the d00d who buys this crud from me
asciilifeform: but i like to imagine that the thing ended up on the sidewalk for a reason... (probably thrown from window, vs from moving car, looks to be pretty clean)
mats: white people...
mircea_popescu: the atlantic can't break 10k views anymore ?
mats: i don't know anybody else that regularly reads the atlantic
mircea_popescu: o, you do ?
mats: ya, i like the print format
mats: generally frontloads with foreign policy, bidness, then some fluff, tech, and the cover story somewhere towards the end
mircea_popescu: Framedragger #nethack has like 300 btw.
mats: << heh, the spartan homepage reminds me of mpex
mircea_popescu: !!up RodrigoBTCF
deedbot: RodrigoBTCF voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !!key RodrigoBTCF
mircea_popescu: !!rate RodrigoBTCF 1 trader
mircea_popescu: !!v B534FE5C25B42DAE4DCFE536C7E60E13EA4D089DEE30A6409645885F0C6F866
mircea_popescu: !!v B534FE5C25B42DAE4DCFE536C7E60E13EA4D089DEE30A6409645885F0C6F866C
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated RodrigoBTCF 1 << trader
mircea_popescu: !!up Joshua-I
deedbot: Joshua-I voiced for 30 minutes.
Joshua-I: Thank you
Joshua-I: I'm believe gabe came by pitching masamune and you wanted to purchase?
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 21:20 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel so how about you hop in a plane and bring me a coupla ? i'll buy you a steak even!
Joshua-I: Since the product has been validated I'll be working on making operations smoother
RodrigoBTCF: It seems I can talk now :)
mircea_popescu: Joshua-I it's utterly unclear who you are, again ?
mircea_popescu: RodrigoBTCF cheers.
RodrigoBTCF: Thanks.
Joshua-I: mircea_popescu I work with gabe running the business side of things
mircea_popescu: !!ratings Joshua-I
mircea_popescu: it'd seem not
Joshua-I: Seems my lone rating has disappeared
mircea_popescu: so you work with a guy that hasn't rated you doing things. mkay ?
Joshua-I: He has some issue or another using his key
Joshua-I: I think it's scattered across 7 planets or something
mircea_popescu: ok, but this dun help you any.
mircea_popescu: << apparently you had a courtesy rating from asciilifeform back in the summer ; which he took off recently (iirc he did some cleaning out of stale ratings).
Joshua-I: So you need an income of ratings, ok
asciilifeform: aha. and in light of the 'coarse error of pilotage' seen here, i am not inclined to reinstate it
mircea_popescu: well anyone can come in here and say he's working with anyone on anything. what's in a saying.
Joshua-I: Hm ok
Joshua-I: Well my visit doesn't have to be a complete waste, since I was just going to ask you what your preferred payment is
Joshua-I: Input appreciated from anyone here really
mircea_popescu: i'll take bitcoin. what am i getting paid for ?
Joshua-I: Hm ok
Joshua-I: Thanks for taking the time to give me your input. Have a good night
RodrigoBTCF: Hi, Marcelo.
RodrigoBTCF: !!ratings RodrigoBTCF
RodrigoBTCF: Have a good night. Bye.
mircea_popescu: !!rate RodrigoBTCF 1 trader
mircea_popescu: !!v 398B7E6FA2DCD3005CA5FBA10D23266444DD6918E7CA4FD121B379E35691387C
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of RodrigoBTCF from 1 to 1 << trader
mircea_popescu: !!gettrust RodrigoBTCF
deedbot: L1: 1, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
mircea_popescu: trinque it has some delay or wut ?
mircea_popescu: oh oh l1 ; nm me.
mircea_popescu: !!ratings RodrigoBTCF
mircea_popescu: ^ that coming out nil threw me.
trinque: !!reputation RodrigoBTCF
trinque: the !!ratings one is a bit unclear as to which direction
trinque: short vs precise
mircea_popescu: gimme time, i'll learn this
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