ben_vulpes: this 'real job' slander has me ALL RILED
BingoBoingo: Ok my application to join the Trumpreich has been submitted.
ben_vulpes: trumpenreich has such a better sound to it
BingoBoingo: Anyways the Trumpreich application allows selecting for multiple positions and departments.
pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/34vqO << steve bannon, trumpreich's newly appointed 'chief strategist', back in 2014 describing the rise of centre-right populism in the west. looks like bannon's veeery xtian and therefore foresees all-out global war between islam and judeo-xtian west, a war he's all too adamant in cautioning the complacent europeans against taking too lightly.
pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/E7s4j << in other nooz, your android cell phone may be routinely sending all your txt msgs to EVIL CHINESE SERVERS.
pete_dushenski: but now that shillary lost and trumpreich reigneth, the bad guy is west, not east. so bank on more such EVIL CHINESE THINGS coming to light in the not-too-distant future.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: ty for the nomination. other than wear very sharp suits, know which fork to use at which dinner course, have had tremendous orthodontics, be able to pull up to a reception in a wide variety of long-wheelbase luxury sedans, be able to hold a conversation with most any iyi regardless of background, what all's entailed ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: oh wait possibly legs rotating in hip sockets in a coplanar fashion?
ben_vulpes: > Kryptowire was jumpstarted by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS S&T)
ben_vulpes: those nasty out-of-country hardware providers selling on amazon and etc are being so naughty
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568065 << i guess http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568062 explains it - there are no 'other rounds'. before-sunrise, and after-sunrise only.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-16 01:26 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568036 << what other rounds ?
a111: Logged on 2016-11-16 01:24 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568033 << i really don't see that past the "sunrise" so to call it there's any need to give a shit. i would not negrate anyone for registering "someone else's" domain after the system comes online and anyone can register whatever. i do think it's pretty idiotic to bring it online empty ; i won't support a system that tries that ; and i think the comparison with mining/premining is entirely w
Framedragger: so the conflict thing is, i suppose, in principle settled in my mind.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568229 << ikr - and yes any downloaded-from-google-and-imported lib can do this...
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568292 << yes well, i make no claim to have invented a new kind of cunt. still using the same one everyone else uses, over here.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-16 04:55 ben_vulpes: i thought this was kindergarten fuckatronix
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568306 << this is rank nonsense. westian womenz wanna be fucked ; arab runts want to fuck em ; western men want to watch the whole thing on hbo / maaaaybe film it on their phone if there's beer and not too bad traffic.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-16 07:07 pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/34vqO << steve bannon, trumpreich's newly appointed 'chief strategist', back in 2014 describing the rise of centre-right populism in the west. looks like bannon's veeery xtian and therefore foresees all-out global war between islam and judeo-xtian west, a war he's all too adamant in cautioning the complacent europeans against taking too lightly.
mircea_popescu: match made in heaven, there'll be no war.
mircea_popescu: "oh no mp, you got it all wrong" "sure, sure. tell me you'd crack the skull of some dude fucking your friendzone. right now." "uh." "then sit down."
mircea_popescu: islam has won the fitness race ; chiefly because the "swj" replacement for "fundamentalist christian" is SO FUCKING UNFIT, even islam has a chance. as well as gasteropodes and other dead branches that forgot to die out.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568310 << and yet he writes on medium. the mind boggles.
mircea_popescu: that said, pretty great article.
Framedragger: already sent to some 'trump is evil' friends
mircea_popescu: i'm pretty impressed at how well it goes with http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/
mircea_popescu: almost as if we shared talking points on a napkin. which we haven't, but there it is. the iyi/jews in question'd be excused if they thought "massive right wing conspiracy", because hey.
mircea_popescu: HOW ELSE could you POSSIBLY get such coherence!!1
mircea_popescu: and since taleb's twitter is full of "simpson's paradox", let's add it to the record. it is universally the case that low birth weight is a predictor of infant mortality. this has been observed across centuries and across cultures/geographies. even if the exact value that contitutes "low birth weight" varies, the effects of the classification are ubiquitous.
mircea_popescu: once people become interested in smoking, it was observed that smoking mothers' babies of normal weight fare no better or worse than the general population ; whereas smoking mothers' babies of low weigh fare ~significantly~ better than the general population (of low birth weight babies).
mircea_popescu: on the basis of this much statistics, one could conclude (wrongly) that smoking in the mother is protective for the neonate.
mircea_popescu: however, ignoring the distinction, one can also make the observation that children born to smoking mothers fare significantly worse than the general population.
mircea_popescu: the reason for this apparent paradox ("how can kids do ok in A and better in B yet still do worse in A+B ?!) is that smoking CAUSES low birth weight ; but there are also other causes of low birth weight which also have a much more severe impact on life/survival expectancy than smoking.
mircea_popescu: because low weight babies have much poorer prospects than normal babies, and because smoking mothers cause a significant migration of their babies from normal to low weight, they "drown out" the other causes, getting apparent "better" prognosis (hey, the kid's not afflicted by trisomy with a 90% death before puberty prognosis ; but merely by smoking mom, with a 1% death before puberty prognosis)
mircea_popescu: and as taleb correctly points out, the jews' misunderstanding of this fundamental point is what drives a lot of their inept policy. such as you know, "how to make ghetos better ? BANKRUPT MIDDLE CLASS WHITE PEOPLE!!! then they'll move in the gheto and smoking mothers are protective for the baby!"
mircea_popescu: also as taleb correctly points out, this example is just a very good example, but not the whole story. what it exemplifies is the ineptitude of a class of people, whom we call jews, and whom we wish to see in camps. these people understand some - enough to be harmful - but not enough, so as to be useful. they are worse than stupid, because of this familiarity with first order but incapacity for higher order reasoning.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568342 << why not the parsimonious hypothesis -- they do it for the easy moneyz, bankrupt the idiot 'goys', not as if they were people etc
a111: Logged on 2016-11-16 14:19 mircea_popescu: and as taleb correctly points out, the jews' misunderstanding of this fundamental point is what drives a lot of their inept policy. such as you know, "how to make ghetos better ? BANKRUPT MIDDLE CLASS WHITE PEOPLE!!! then they'll move in the gheto and smoking mothers are protective for the baby!"
asciilifeform: why does a flea drink blood.
mircea_popescu: i think parsimonious hypothesis here is they stupid
asciilifeform: flea ain't esp. clever either. but he knows how to flea.
mircea_popescu: note that it's not "why does flea drink blood", it's "why does mosquito female eschew nectar diet which WOULD allow it to deliver eggs that are viable ; and instead risk its life trying to suck blood out of people, which results in 100% mortality in plenty of cases".
mircea_popescu: and the conclusion "because it's fucking dumb" is perfectly reasonable.
mircea_popescu: that its mechanisms "think" bloodsucking pays has no bearings whatsoever on the reality of the matter. as it happens - it doesn't pay.
asciilifeform: spam also dun pay
mircea_popescu: and mosquitoes are very good exemplars for jews in this discussion - it has been my long held view they must be exterminated, as a species, permanently, as a minimal requirement of calling the human species civilised. and they ARE being exterminated. we will die in a world with no mosquitoes.
asciilifeform: yet it lives.
mircea_popescu: it dun live like it used to, alfie.
asciilifeform: maybe after this hellhole i live in is finally thermonuked
mircea_popescu: if it takes glassing washington, i'm in line to press the button.
asciilifeform: re the smoke babies, there was another well-known instance of the effect -- the incident with the steel helmet of ww1 britain
mircea_popescu: it's ubiquitous, really. kind-of why "segmentation" is so beloved by the garglers of my week-old cum (who prefer to call themselves "web analytics experts").
asciilifeform: ( their introduction led to massive apparent increase in brain injury. which was really reduction in concussion deaths... )
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/m63cg/?raw=true
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: amateur statisticians (such as i dunno, horse bettors, fantasy league players etc) constantly run into this problem where an entity outperforms another two years running but not the two years together.
mircea_popescu: it's really not that far removed from human experience as to excuse ignorance. except of course the idle are idle, not as a label but as a thing, and so never encountered anything in their life.
mircea_popescu: i'm satisfied by now they're actually bereft of language/thinking skills, so they'll simply carry on being jews until we gut them.
mircea_popescu: (in the case of the global warming scam - the whole moneygrubbing angle is particularly defensible. sure, the jews themselves may be stupid. but the people who benefit from this particular fraud aren't generally.)
mircea_popescu: and in other heights of improbability, http://68.media.tumblr.com/af7b548abd183d84bd67d503a2da6a79/tumblr_mrjaeyFe2N1ria8qho1_1280.jpg
phf: huh, there's a protest outside my window
phf: literally all the usual suspects
shinohai: Pour boiling oil on them phf
Framedragger: 'GO TO WORK'
phf: well, it's 50 people, but, there's at least two police cars on each intersection coming up and a helicopter
phf: specifically i can count 8 cop cars just oustide my window, 2 umarked cars with blinkers, sirens from elsewhere, an EMS car in the distance, and a helicopter somewhere very nearby
phf: there's some irony in the current chant being "no more hate"
asciilifeform: Framedragger: they ~are~ at 'work', herr soros is payin'
asciilifeform: (though apparently only herders are paid, i showed up to one of these, 0 pay was offered)
mircea_popescu: so just about more cops than "protesters"
mircea_popescu: also perhaps of interest in some circles, apparently there's such a thing as https://sovietmen.wordpress.com/2016/09/17/tiziana-catone/
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/11/viabtc-enters-contract-mining-scamspace/ << Qntra - ViaBTC Enters Contract Mining Scamspace
shinohai: heya mod6
mod6: how goes today?
shinohai: not bad here u
Framedragger: curious: when looking at dns round robin, i found out that some nameservers - of those who do round robin, i.e. permuting list of say dns A records - sometimes do not shuffle them around, if dig'd in quick succession.
Framedragger: can this be used to approximate the frequency of dns requests to that nameserver? :p
Framedragger: the working assumption would be that if necessary does permute, it will necessarily set a new order for each request to follow. dangerous assumption, sure.
trinque: sounds like it calls for reading some DNS server code.
Framedragger: and here i thought i could exploit other people's knowledge :p
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/WdGO3 << Farmers having some fertilizer run off bad. Nutcases intentionally dumping fertilizer into the ocean good.
Framedragger: yes indeed..
Framedragger: s/necessary// ^
trinque: Framedragger: https://source.isc.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=bind9.git;a=blob_plain;f=bin/named/lwdgrbn.c;hb=38cc2d14e218e536e0102fa70deef99461354232 << this looks to be where roundrobin is handled in bind's named.
mircea_popescu: by and large extant dns is a large pile of dried crap
asciilifeform: it needs only two things, petrol, and match.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: oh you can't even imagine how many 'additional' data fields domain needs to be actually usable by current dns clients. everything from start of authority to multiple TTLs etc. and that's the saner part of things...
Framedragger: trinque: thank you! will check.
trinque: bring your gas mask
mircea_popescu: why does everyone just assume i don't know what i'm talking about. just because i sound like a clueless grandfather doesn't mean i am one omygerd.
Framedragger: array resizing and network code all in one place. no wonder buffer exploitation bugs aplenty
BingoBoingo: How sure are you that you aren't a grandfather, at least biologically...
Framedragger: BingoBoingo exactly
BingoBoingo guesses about 70-80% confident
BingoBoingo: In other OMG look at the butthurt that some dude is dating a 50 year old woman https://archive.is/xzuuc
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is tony bennett ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sorta a poor man's Sinatra. Vegas singer
mircea_popescu: and what the fuck is the problem again ? these people never heard of whore dynasties ?
mircea_popescu has ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS had young women introduced by old friends with the equivalent of "and this is my daughter. she's old enough now."
Framedragger: (..and of course bind has at least one "basically completely undocumented" config option, "order random_1", which modifies the round robin process, or the eventual reply. "didn't you get the memo, peter?")
BingoBoingo: But seriously, the butthurt "Y u no interested in 90 year old women!"
mircea_popescu: who the fuck asked them anything bejaysus
mircea_popescu: "i want my peas not to touch!!!1" "if i turn around and there's any peas on the fucking plate they'll touch your rectum directly."
mircea_popescu: "traitor to your generation" ? holy shit.
mircea_popescu: and heather schwedel is, predictably, a woman that obviously never worked out.
asciilifeform: who the hell is that
asciilifeform: since when do briquets for oven have names.
mircea_popescu: random nobody from the slate jewish tribe.
BingoBoingo: 2016-2009=7, so more probably 70-90 pounds ago
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hard to fatten well on journalism diet of ramen.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in the land of poverty syrop, marvels are possible
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You haven't seen how cheaply walmart sells "cookies"
BingoBoingo: Ramen is expensive compared to "deserts"
shinohai eats some small nondescript tubers ramen
mircea_popescu: "Still, she admires those who take great risks for quick wealth. She talks glowingly about the Canadian customers who made a fortune through credit card fraud before escaping to Cambodia. Her eyes shine dreamily at remembrance of that criminal cock." << incidentally, by the latest reports other than you suckers playing by the books, the population of people who smartened out and took off is so drastically increasing, they m
mircea_popescu: ake upwards of HALF of all the rich barangs in most traditional prositution dens of asia.
mircea_popescu: china doesn't give a shit, and i somehow don't see nato getting its balls brassed enough to go bomb vietnam again
mircea_popescu: and so...
mircea_popescu: for every schmuck hoping tindr will deliver.
BingoBoingo: Hey, I just applied to literally all of the appointable positions outside of national security.
mircea_popescu: better than naughting.
Framedragger: trinque: oh god i need to delve into a longer and madder thing it seems https://source.isc.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=bind9.git;a=blob;f=lib/dns/resolver.c;h=74d82ae1076a80dc8edf8964b295b40d93b735d1;hb=4e8fe357a619ae2b789b15df7e3d6abf782b4a71 - goodtimes
asciilifeform: Framedragger: that 1 file is almost longer than ALL OF TRB
asciilifeform: holy SHIT
mircea_popescu: no it's needed because dns is such a special thing.
Framedragger: i also like such Brussels born comments as
Framedragger: A negative response has a SOA record (Type 2)
Framedragger: 5515 * and a optional NS RRset (Type 1) or it has neither
Framedragger: 5516 * a SOA or a NS RRset (Type 3, handled above) or
Framedragger: 5517 * rcode is NXDOMAIN (handled above) in which case
Framedragger: 5518 * the NS RRset is allowed (Type 4).
mircea_popescu: not such a terrible scheme.
asciilifeform: the extended contemplation of ~using~ that thing in some future edifice here has got to be a running joke, which asciilifeform isn't in on..
mircea_popescu: stop the hate.
mircea_popescu: lol someone still asks usgavin something ?
asciilifeform: very talkative corpse
mircea_popescu: IF this happens, it's definitely along the lines of "what the fuck are you still doing here, i told you we have a no bums policy"
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/hKYvd << if you ever wondered what that marginal azn chick was thinking during campus hookup night.
mircea_popescu: bonus "i am a stereotype" points : her name is megan and she's read enough tlp to try for "maggie"
shinohai: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxZO4GxXAAA_JRL.jpg <<< trump face made from crying snowflakes
mircea_popescu: ooo that's glorious. where's the full res thing ?
mats: >Naval sources said the decision was “like Nelson deciding to get rid of his cannons and go back to muskets” lul
mats: also, the offensive against Raqqa has been going on for about a week
BingoBoingo: mats: You apply for any presidential appointments in the Trumpreich yet?
mats: no lol
BingoBoingo: Why not? AN opportiniTIT like this arises only every 8 years.
BingoBoingo: Also anyone recall the current url for mpex web?
shinohai: mpex.site last time I checked
shinohai: and .... expired
mats: BingoBoingo: i gave up my aspirations for public service years ago
pete_dushenski: mpex missingness probably related to the issues with internetbs.net not accepting btc anymore
pete_dushenski: !~ticker --market all --currency rmb
jhvh1: pete_dushenski: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 5188.0, vol: 4111687.79210000 | Volume-weighted last average: 5188.0
mats: if i ever serve again, it'd prob be in a firefighting dept or a civilian SAR unit
mats: no interest in being a bureaucrat or working for some glazed donut
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, anyone remember anthrax ? the band ?
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: "force farmers to plan crops" << plant ? not sure that sucking usg.dole teet qualifies as planning.
pete_dushenski hasn't heard of anthrax band
mircea_popescu: o hey lol. domain lulz.
mircea_popescu: anyway, use local dns will work. i guess ima put more domains.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> unrelatedly, anyone remember anthrax ? the band ? << for sure
mircea_popescu: i ended up with a pile of old records. ahhh the 80s
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pete_dushenski and other web-facing interested parties : i'll have some more domains linked this week. in the meanwhile, editing your /etc/hosts to correctly allocate the domain names will fix your problem.
shinohai: I've decided this is the time to follow in phf's footsteps and curate a hosts file for all tmsr sites
pete_dushenski: cheers :)
mircea_popescu: mats it dun look like the "two months" were anything but the bitcoin "two weeks" does it.
mod6: shinohai: good call
mats: yes, i want a refund
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i'm curious, why don't you do mpex.trilema.com ? or would that link the two explicitly and hence would not be favourable?
mircea_popescu: looks altogether more likely it's never actually getting conquered. if they last out the 70 days that's that for "peacekeeping" bs there.
Framedragger: (if no trust in domains in the first place, what difference if 2nd level or 3rd level)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger well cuz what sense would it make ? even leaving aside i'm not all that sold on "subdomains"
Framedragger: trilema.com does not seem to expire
Framedragger: "only a matter of time", i guess
mircea_popescu: trilema.com is also directed to the general public.
pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/xU2lc << for german readers. basically, arabic-german interpreter lady plays fly on the wall, aghast to learn that moslems hate germans / xtians and have every intention of supplanting their hosts with uber-fecundity, whether filmed on hbo or not, whether there's beer or not, whether traffic is bad or not.
pete_dushenski: xtianity's best defense against islam at this point would appear to be... mormons. go joseph!
pete_dushenski wouldn't bet on mormon boys against raft-mongrels.
ben_vulpes: "The Times reported that Mr. Trump had taken calls from the leaders of Egypt, Israel, Russia and Britain, but said they had been conducted haphazardly and without State Department briefings that traditionally guide conversations with foreign leaders."
ben_vulpes: "omg ourrelephancy!"
mircea_popescu: eh, "christians" is a thing like "wedding" is a thing.
mircea_popescu: too late for that party.
ben_vulpes: her job is just beginning!
ben_vulpes: consider the decades of speeches and /books/
ben_vulpes: the kids aren't even in high school yet!
ben_vulpes: (i don't actually know that)
mircea_popescu: i think they're just about college age
ben_vulpes: !!rated vvande
deedbot: ben_vulpes rated vvande 1 at 2016/11/16 22:57:18 << new blood
vvande: ben_vulpes: I've got it. :)
ben_vulpes: in other cowsie news, https://gcaptain.com/watch-cow-marked-export-jumps-ship-swims-shore-fremantle/
vvande: yeah, refugees everywhere
shinohai: !!up RodrigoBTC
deedbot: RodrigoBTC voiced for 30 minutes.
RodrigoBTC: Hello, everybody. Anyone online?
ben_vulpes: RodrigoBTC: always, whats up
RodrigoBTC: Need to learn how to register public key with deedbot
RodrigoBTC: great, thanks!
ben_vulpes: deedbot is in the habit of sending encrypted one time pads
ben_vulpes: decrypt those and !!v <string in pad>
ben_vulpes: pm to deedbot works as well
ben_vulpes: !!key RodrigoBTC
deedbot: No such key.
ben_vulpes: lol so are you going to register or what
RodrigoBTC: trying to
RodrigoBTC: !!register pubkey-url
deedbot: Import failed for RodrigoBTC.
RodrigoBTC: !!key ben_vulpes
RodrigoBTC: Seems to be slow.
RodrigoBTC: Will try again tomorrow. :)
ben_vulpes: RodrigoBTC: dude you hafta put a url where your pubkey is accessible
RodrigoBTC: ahh ok.
ben_vulpes: dump it into p.bvulpes.com
ben_vulpes: yeah but !!register <that_url>
deedbot: AEEF2B966DCCD0BF60A38E117A0F38EEA068CB16 registered as RodrigoBTC.
RodrigoBTC: Ahh it didn't work at pv!
RodrigoBTC: !key RodrigoBTC
ben_vulpes: double bang
ben_vulpes: !!rate RodrigoBTC 1 doolb_wen
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/gbzto/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: !!v A8C1C721F16ED4D230B452B915CE404FFDA3AAAE909DA06EB7C4108047A28910
deedbot: ben_vulpes rated RodrigoBTC 1 << doolb_wen
ben_vulpes: now imma devoice you, message deedbot !!up
ben_vulpes: !!down RodrigoBTC
shinohai: That's some awesum shit ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: thx, yo
ben_vulpes: trivial wwwtronix
asciilifeform used 'mailinator' for many years, similar old thing
ben_vulpes: classic, yes
ben_vulpes: i'm probably not going to build outbound
asciilifeform: i dun recall it ever having outbound.
ben_vulpes: apparently not, classic misrecollection
ben_vulpes: why what? why not build outbound? why did mailinator not?
asciilifeform: so that all-comers send spam ?!
ben_vulpes: no, /'why' what/?
asciilifeform: it was an anyone-can-use gadget. so no outbound, or anyone could spam with it.
ben_vulpes: ah i see.
asciilifeform: whole appeal was 'no making account' etc.
ben_vulpes: yes yes
asciilifeform: the more interesting detail is that eventually it became ~useless, the sort of derps who demand 'email confirm' started blacklisting @mailinator addrs.
asciilifeform: they then offered payware 'secret domain' addrs, but i have nfi how well this worked, because it defeated THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT , with money-chargin', account-makin', etc.
ben_vulpes: i see no choked flow
asciilifeform: hard to see much in the clip. iirc sketches survived somewhere.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you're not going to get choked flow with fans i don't think
asciilifeform: why not ?
ben_vulpes fumbles in dark recesses of head
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: solid riddle, "why can a fan not produce supersonic choked flow"
ben_vulpes: "given a large enough fan, and small enough nozzle throat..."
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what do you suppose produces it in jet engine ?
ben_vulpes: in jet engines, the nozzles release combustion gases and expand them through a turbine to drive the fan shaft
ben_vulpes: there is also the upstream compressor driven off the same shaft but a) that's a compressor not a fan and b) that compressed gas is reacted with hydrocarbons to throw off oodles of gas cfm
ben_vulpes: to achieve the same effect with fans you'd need to dissipate at least the same amount of energy through the fan motors as you'd liberate from the fuel, no?
ben_vulpes: http://media2.fdncms.com/portmerc/imager/u/large/18697922/trump-protest-cover_11_9_16.jpg << asciilifeform turns out, freeway protest did not even actually block freeway
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: yes, you would. and this is thought to be impractical, but not impossible (see the atomic jet of the '50s, for instance.)
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: rather impossible to cram into the linked lifting body
ben_vulpes off for tacos, tunes, trouble
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: ty fxd