BingoBoingo: Nah, if there is only one it is this treatise on money http://trilema.com/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao
Joshua-I: Now the last mystery to uncover is the use of comic sans
Joshua-I: What could it possibly mean?
asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2016/07/days-of-rain-set-corn-crop-up-for-strong-finish/#comment-63371 << lelz
trinque: holy shit, his name is Trendy
trinque: ah. that's supposedly Pirateat40
mod6: sniper fire in dallas
trinque: gf was saying some cops got shot?
mod6: im hearing 11 shot, 4 dead.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-15 20:49 asciilifeform: no word re the american snipers in bucharest '89, or moscow '93, or venezuela '02, ...., ...
asciilifeform: monkeys dun snipe.
trinque: hey, maybe they're gonna have a revival of allah snackbar, #blacklivesmatter edition
trinque: http://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/07/dallas-protest-shooting/490451/ << reporting that the suspects have threatened a bombing
a111: Logged on 2015-09-02 04:15 asciilifeform: the discreditation of local police apparatus, for its eventual demolition and replacement by unified fed gendarmerie, is going on schedule.
trinque: seems moar like useful idiots than conspirators
trinque: we'll see how the number of shooters dwindles though
mircea_popescu: "Y'all keep mentioning WOT, but do you actually run a keyserver with a published trust graph accessible via any sort of standardized protocol?" << sick burn trinque
mircea_popescu: $gettrust BingoBoingo
deedbot: L1: 4, L2: 39 by 27 connections.
mircea_popescu: "Because I mean WOT is not too revolutionary when it is just another name for a bunch of peoples' non-interoperable personal black books between which information can be exchanged only by explicitly manual means." << da fuck, "your working thing's no good!"
mircea_popescu: seriously, this nonsense is still supposed to work ?
mircea_popescu: what am i going to hear next, that the people of libya want "freedom" ?
asciilifeform: lel, fella wants an 'istrustworthy(x)'
mircea_popescu: seems more like fella wants a "nice fort you boys built, time now for us all to agree house is better" sort of thing.
mircea_popescu: apparently one of the direct, entrenched results of no woman being pimpslapped for talking out of order in anyone's personal memory is a whole lot of those "that's nice dear, now come to bed" sorta vomits.
asciilifeform: yeah but - ~which~, here, bed?
mircea_popescu: he has a list, freenet, whatever.
asciilifeform: afaik long dead
asciilifeform: (and, when alive, java)
mircea_popescu: anyway, i gotta admit the "democracy" drivel is nothing if not incredibly flexible. can be spread on bread as "science not cults!!11", can be spread on bread as "say no to silly (orly?) power games and ~~~sycophancy~~~" because if you call male independence the bad word it'll totally stick, men are really just a bunch of women that deeply care about labels like that. can obviously be spread as "the people of libya want the fr
mircea_popescu: eedom to give us all their shit for free, and romania really didn't need a nuclear activities agency",
mod6: heh freenet
mircea_popescu: can be cut any way you please.
mircea_popescu: this is the typical characteristic of cults and quacks, of course, but who's to notice THAT.
mircea_popescu: the one universal socket wrench, ointment and single idea anyone could ever need! DEMOCRACY!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you recall the lithuanian butthurt of half a decade or so ago ?
asciilifeform: when joined nato and told that their '13333347' 'werewolf brigades' or wtf nazi claptrap was unneeded and they would be working as nurses strictly in nato army, should there even be any lithuanians left on day 2 of war ?
asciilifeform: this re ro nuclear.
asciilifeform: tiny countries who bend over for nee owner and think that they still get to decide anything, remind me of the familiar 'yappy dogs' old women keep
asciilifeform: *new owner
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this may well work from the "public good" interest, but what exactly does it do for lithuania ?
mircea_popescu: "there can be no such thing as lithuania" "yawell."
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-08#1499264 << you seen http://trilema.com/2013/what-is-art/ ?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-08 03:26 Joshua-I: Art is the most supreme, most divine of instructions
mircea_popescu: and in other "50 years of" news, http://filthygifs.tumblr.com/post/130267399248/ganguponher-ah-yes-dp-the-great-american
mircea_popescu: the ridoinculous half-afro-and-mustache look of the 70s and wtf-is-with-sunglasses-indoors 80s/90s
mircea_popescu: otherwise, lightbulbs were apparently invented sometime in 2010
Joshua-I: I rewatched True Romance the other day (thanks to you) and now I must have those rad sunglasses Clarence wears at some point
mircea_popescu: ie elvis' ?
Joshua-I: Did he actually wear that variant?
mircea_popescu: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Romance-Elvis-Style-Sunglasses-Gradient/dp/B00B1P1WB4 << 19.99
Joshua-I: I see no mention of ancient art in your post, what's up with that?
mircea_popescu: also re tiny : ro is 15% of ru or somesuch ; ru is 35% or so of eu or somesuch. tiny country is monaco, diff story. otherwise, germany's a third of brazil and saudi arabia a 15% of pakistan naimean ?
mircea_popescu: Joshua-I nor of modern, for that matter. it's time-invariant, yes ?
Joshua-I: Well I'd say it touches on a few more things than merely being some political indirection
Joshua-I: Those noble types did like to impress each other and feel an exclusivity in their interpretations of art
Joshua-I: They didn't just permit it, but were studied in it, which in the cases of their private residences and gardens suggests the opposite of what you suggest at the end there
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell Joshua-I how do you know this ?
thestringpuller: How do you turn an advertising business into a ponzi scheme?
thestringpuller: https://forum.bitcoin.com/topic6275.html?sid=e2e55101bd60af0fed7b713bad60910c << quite easily it seems
shinohai: "Spamming blockchains is our bidness!"
thestringpuller: reminds me of cointelegraphs obviously false conversion rate
BingoBoingo: If I'm not mistaken qntra has a small if not entirely different kind of conversion rate
thestringpuller: It had a high click through rate for advertisements
thestringpuller: but no actual conversions
thestringpuller: (iirc from the namworld campaign with coinroll or what not)
thestringpuller: although i think the campaign was yanked prematurely @_@
mircea_popescu: from experience, "hacking" delivers infinitely better results than "advertising". ie you're better off raping the site than paying the site.
mircea_popescu: kinda in line with the diy ethos of the rest of computing. you want to be secure ? you're better off taking out the holes than "hiring a team of experts". whatever you want - take it, don't ask.
thestringpuller: the lets poke wordpress sites until one of them gives and then post a bunch of spam backlinks
mircea_popescu: you can ask the ethereum huffers to be fucking sane already until you fall over. but #etherape and a few short weeks later they've all woken up.
mircea_popescu: trilema has many 1000s of backlinks from derpy wordpressen
thestringpuller: advertising is generally bastardized. analytics and metrics are useful (sometimes). depends on if you care about the market reaction or not.
mircea_popescu: useful in the sense playing candy crush is useful. gives you something to do in the subte.
thestringpuller: given bitcoin is anti-consumer, marketing doesn't have an immediate value because any sane business should not care about what the consumer thinks
mircea_popescu: there is scarce relation between "web metrics and online analytics" and marketing.
thestringpuller: more like useful in the sense of new local restaurant trying to target the most loyal customers
mircea_popescu: ~the same relation as between playing candy crush and cooking.
thestringpuller: "most potential loyal" customer
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller there a) is no such thing as loyal customers and b) no conceivable reason restaurant would care. which is why they don't even bother to keep lists.
mircea_popescu: back in the old country, reservations worked like so : unknown plebe could get "reservation", only valid if none of the important people showed up.
mircea_popescu: i never made a reservation, never waited for a table.
mircea_popescu: us restaurants don't work like this - consequently, loyalty is impossible.
mircea_popescu: clubs DO work like this, in the larger towns. but the lists are maintained by a loose network of associated strippers/whores/pr girls, who do the promotion footwork.
thestringpuller: Aha. I was talking more about the pub-esque "regulars". You know the drunk who spends 2k a month on booze.
mircea_popescu: that guy picks his pub not by "closest to home" but by facebook ? rly ?
thestringpuller: Yea. I used to work that scene. Honestly the club scene in america is very much turning into "the pimp scene" or maybe it always was taht.
mircea_popescu: nah. the way this works is you open a 10k seater club, have 50-100 girls to go to all the CEO types in that city, tell them "if you agree to come to X club this weekend i'll take all my clothes off and you can fingerfuck me right here on yoru desk"
mircea_popescu: that gives you a steady stream of those in the 100s, and then all the aspie schmucks pay to get in and rub... elbows.
shinohai: ^ life advice here ppl
thestringpuller: That's how the higher end clubs operate. The ones that have ~actual~ vip rooms.
thestringpuller: The plebs for college students usually is just "get as many girls here as possible to attract frat dudes to buy them drinks"
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller club scene is fundamentally pimp scene. it'd better be, the alternative is what, highschool cafeteria + prep talks ?
thestringpuller: So all the "advertisement" is in relation to 1) showing guys there are hot girls there 2) getting hot girls there
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yeah, that's the obnoxious part about us college towns.
mircea_popescu: and the problem with this theory is that us media, unlike everyone else who's sane, won't carry nudity.
thestringpuller: Yea. The college club scene is very akin to herding. Actually similar to high school.
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to put a 50 ft tall poster of a nude woman kissing a campari olive on a drab gray wall across from the campus enclosure.
mircea_popescu: it's another to "tastefully" derp in the us.
thestringpuller: My girlfriend would very much hates that about the US.
thestringpuller: Ah s/would//
mircea_popescu: o look at that, activision bought king.com back in feb. guess what - "blizzard family". world of warcraft and candy crush, same thing!
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller if she would where's her titpic! :D
thestringpuller: Hmm. I'll ask her about that.
thestringpuller: oh wow activision is going the EA route.
thestringpuller: Like when EA bought PopCap cause Plants vs Zombies could be remade 4mn times like the sims and still sell.
thestringpuller: and this is why the current game I'm playing is 20 years old...
mircea_popescu: oh and the OTHER obnoxious thing about us college towns is they fucking puke.
mircea_popescu: jesus christ when did that become socially acceptable.
thestringpuller: Funny story. My last semester in school, I was walking to my goto pub. These chicks are crossing the street right? One of them pukes on the light post. Her friends help her stand a little. Then after the light changes she continues walking as if nothing ever happened.
thestringpuller: Another good one is as a freshman, one of my friends lived in a dorm with a lot of sorority pledges. So when she was getting up for her 8am class, she'd see girls stumble in go to the toilets. Puke. Put on makeup, and go to class...
mircea_popescu: should be a misdemeanor, "you puke in public you spend that night in jail. no judge, no exceptions."
thestringpuller: Man thinking about all the parties I've been to where there was some girl puking her brains out in her "night gear" (the kinda clothes you wear to work the corner), crying their eyes out with someone annoyed holding their hair back.
mircea_popescu: o hey look at that, ethereum actually up 2.5%.
mircea_popescu: good investment.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller women, too, because fucking equalitards omit to mention to girls how they really can't keep up with dudes.
mircea_popescu: sure nadja can keep up with me, but that's only because i suck ; she can't keep up with boris from her hometown.
mircea_popescu lolz at the shitcoins. bitcoin cap 10bn, yest trade 1/4 bn (2.5%) ; ethereum "cap" 800mn, yest trade 11mn (1.2%) ; ripple "cap" 250mn (hey, recall when it was 1bn+, above ethereum ?), yest trade 500k (0.2%).
mircea_popescu: a pattern emerges.
gribble: Current Blocks: 419833 | Current Difficulty: 2.133989253313239E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 421343 | Next Difficulty In: 1510 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 9 hours, 55 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
BingoBoingo: 167 blocks till halving
mircea_popescu: dun dun dun
deedbot: [Qntra] Theranos CEO To Be Banned From Operating Lab - http://qntra.net/2016/07/theranos-ceo-to-be-banned-from-operating-lab/
deedbot: [Qntra] Water Charity Maximizes Their Marketing On Paypal's Venmo - http://qntra.net/2016/07/water-charity-maximizes-their-marketing-on-paypals-venmo/
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i dun get it, doesn't paypal charge like a buck or so fixed fee ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc there is a 'micropaypal' service, where they do not.
BingoBoingo: Yeah and microchangetippal has social media integrations
shinohai: Venmo always seemed = to changtip to me
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-08#1499336 << if war were fought by straight meatsack headcount, this would be interesting observation.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-08 06:09 mircea_popescu: also re tiny : ro is 15% of ru or somesuch ; ru is 35% or so of eu or somesuch. tiny country is monaco, diff story. otherwise, germany's a third of brazil and saudi arabia a 15% of pakistan naimean ?
BingoBoingo: venmo is basically a tool that puts a 1 cent price tag on spamming the shit out of anyone with a venmo coin client
shinohai: I forgot to tweet it at victoria
shinohai: i was thinking of writing a piece on welfarecoin, but it is in recycle bin atm
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my point exactly.
mircea_popescu: ru didn't stand up so well to ro army for most of war.
mircea_popescu: pick any one of them.
asciilifeform: i only recall 1 where there was a proper ro army
mircea_popescu: which one is that ?
mircea_popescu: mno, there's also that little one in the 1880s when tarevich wrote desperately to plox come to turkey and save our asses we're dying here.
BingoBoingo: And what about Vlad's?
mircea_popescu: and in ww1, there was proper ro army alright. there wasn't proper ru army, though, lenin's idea was to a) abandon the allies front and b) go "wee wee please don't beat us up mr european powers sir"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo eh, pre 1800s the russians hadn't yet been invented in europe. was all polish.
mircea_popescu: kinda went both ways, between the suceava and krakow courts.
mircea_popescu: i think the poles prolly won by point count.
mircea_popescu: course... there IS that epic tale of sobieski's siege of piatra neamt, anyone know it ?
mircea_popescu: (aka kreuzburg an der bistritz)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: napoleon's army was demolished by poles?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform winter isn't an army.
BingoBoingo: $b 3
asciilifeform: winter is an area denial system.
asciilifeform: sorta like saying 'minefield isn't an army'
mircea_popescu: quite so ya
mircea_popescu: we were after all discussing headcounts not geographical features.
asciilifeform: actually i was thinking of geographical features.
mircea_popescu: in that sense russland uber alles, uber alles in der welt wtf
asciilifeform: (though for modern wars, minerals are of more interest than climate)
mircea_popescu: ~only barren place left.
asciilifeform: you still gotta somebody ~there~ to mine the molybdenum, etc.
mircea_popescu: hence the "2k people signed up for deportation" lulz yest.
asciilifeform: likewise the locals gotta have some desire to fight for your crown, rather than for their local chieftain, (or even redditing instead)
mircea_popescu: nah, local chieftain fighters will ALWAYS destroy darius.
mircea_popescu: best way, fight for local chieftain.
asciilifeform: this is a point.
mircea_popescu: in fact thinking about it - the ro-ru bad blood starts with the revolutionary derps deserting the front. cela ne se fait pas.
asciilifeform: what business did ru have on that front ?
mircea_popescu: prior to that - very friendly. after that, and especially owing to stalin's low birth behaviours, hallucinating ownership over ro gold and ro bukovina, it went downhill.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they were there weren't they ?
mircea_popescu: nobody asks you to come, but once you're there you leave once the show's done.
asciilifeform: or when the idiot who put you there gets his rightful bullet, along with his whole family
mircea_popescu: that's teh problem.
mircea_popescu: point in case : if parents of useless redditard shoot him, they STILL owe on his college debt
mircea_popescu: was in logs recently.
asciilifeform: only because they haven't the firepower to make the dun-owe-no-moar stick.
asciilifeform: and at any rate it is not very good example, didn't we learn that derp's mother was co-borrowing ?
asciilifeform: you borrow, buy a horse, the horse dies, you still owe
asciilifeform: ww1 is somewhat different case, the ~you~ died
asciilifeform: and your horse goes where it wants.
mircea_popescu: notrly how this works. if they were so high and mighty, should have shot him BEFORE he committed ~the country~
mircea_popescu: once he did, it's committed, he did it as the legitimate representative at the time, his shit no matter how dumb is binding.
asciilifeform: sorta how revolutions work tho - none of the dumb shit is binding.
asciilifeform: unzip, piss, on debt, commitments, etc. of old king.
mircea_popescu: otherwise this quickly becomes the greek argument, "we borrowed and spent but shouldn't have to repay because hey, new government!"
asciilifeform: entente invaded, got arse handed to them.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly why i don't argue for "make america great again" but "burn it all down"
asciilifeform: it would be interesting to see greeks invaded.
mircea_popescu: hardly interesting. there's what, 10mn of them ? on a peninsula ?
asciilifeform: greeks could still make a noteworthy mess - they have ships, perhaps could get hold of a few nukes, demolish eu ports
mircea_popescu: ahaha ships.
mircea_popescu: lol. you know how many unneeded ships there are today ?
asciilifeform: i wasn't speaking of tonnage as such
mircea_popescu: internet demolished books, then printing. cable caries many million mile-tons of substitute goods per second
asciilifeform: but ships that move routinely, under various flags but gr ownership
mircea_popescu: notrly greek in that sense. onassis is greek like i'm romanian.
mircea_popescu: ie, something for the other greeks/romanians etc to ASPIRE to.
mircea_popescu: certainly not a sort of meal ticket for the accursed lot.
asciilifeform: one of the mega-mysteries in my mind re gr is wtf was the logic behind inviting them into eu in the first place
mircea_popescu: you familiar with my theory ?
asciilifeform: about the brits ?
mircea_popescu: i see no other possible explanation.
asciilifeform: turks are nato-aligned but were not drawn into eu
mircea_popescu: country's basically the equivalent of shannen doherty. was hot briefly in its youth, by now it's a great way to pour money down the drain.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eu has a small penis. greeks are 10mn, turks 80. not to go into details of how lazy pretentious people fit much better, or into how they're also not much of a threat.
asciilifeform: in that light, makes sense
asciilifeform: they picked worthless lap dog instead of rottweiler
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding they really needed the rotweiller ; and much better deal anyway
asciilifeform: but omfg11!11111 the ~teeth~!!!1111
mircea_popescu: but hey, "the eu is not so much a conglomerate with a very small penis as an agglomeration with a particularly large clit"
mircea_popescu: beetle therein depicted made it to 1yo! gets party butt-hat.
mircea_popescu: and aniversary banana slicecake
asciilifeform: is that a kabuto-mushi ?
mircea_popescu: seens wrong legs for that.
asciilifeform: they do.
mircea_popescu: seems more some sort of locanus
a111: Logged on 2016-07-08 12:57 mircea_popescu: o hey look at that, ethereum actually up 2.5%.
asciilifeform has not followed subj in real time
mircea_popescu: they've got a solution
mircea_popescu: i dunno, drama fountain, we kinda covered the basics, they just rehash, shanonize and markov the same stuff endlessly.
asciilifeform: yeah but at some point they gotta pull trigger, no ?
asciilifeform: (or not to pull, but at any rate to decide)
mircea_popescu: i don';t recall when that was, they had like a week maybe ?
asciilifeform: that was a week ago?
mircea_popescu: nah two weeks a week ago
mircea_popescu shuffles through reports to bottom of pile
mircea_popescu: atm all hopes pinned on microsoft-sponsored "devcon" for the scamcoin. basically, mit can either get another usg agency involved or they're dropping it, they lost all they were gonna lose on it already.
mircea_popescu: "This is why I love Ethereum. The main net is live for less than a year, yet tthis is the third big convention. " to quote the locals.
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/vOYow << should be sufficient lulz to bridge you over for another week.
mircea_popescu: gotta economize on the lulz, comedy goldmine running out of gold.
asciilifeform: 'One thing a lot of pro-fork people don't realize is that they're basically encouraging a very damaging form of speculation on the value of ETH. Because a hard fork promises to return ETH at a rate of < 100 DAO per ETH, it encourages people to buy up large amounts of DAO tokens at their current rates (> 100 DAO per ETH), and then actively advocate for the fork to happen. Last time I checked, this guarantees them a profit of > 30% (in
asciilifeform: ETH, not necessarily BTC or fiat). The irony is it's the pro-fork people who tend to be the loudest voices calling their opponents "shills."'
asciilifeform falls down.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of purely academitarded wankatrons, "Glen Weyl has uploaded a new version of his paper, Quadratic Voting (written with Steven Lalley), to SSRN, which now includes the completed proofs. Quadratic voting is the most important idea for law and public policy that has emerged from economics in (at least) the last ten years.
mircea_popescu: Quadratic voting is a procedure that a group of people can use to jointly choose a collective good for themselves. Each person can buy votes for or against a proposal by paying into a fund the square of the number of votes that he or she buys. The money is then returned to voters on a per capita basis. Weyl and Lalley prove that the collective decision rapidly approximates efficiency as the number of voters increases. By cont
mircea_popescu: rast, no extant voting procedure is efficient. "
mircea_popescu: think about it alfie, if i want to buy a thousand votes i'm going to say so and pay a million, rather than talk to a thousand derps and pay them a cent each.
mircea_popescu: it's like infants were locked in a tower somewhere and asked to imagine how the world could be.
asciilifeform: sorta what happened, neh ?
mircea_popescu: "One of the more interesting long-term practical benefits of the technology and concept behind decentralized autonomous organizations is that DAOs allow us to very quickly prototype and experiment with an aspect of our social interactions that is so far arguably falling behind our rapid advancements in information and social technology elsewhere: organizational governance. " << apud buterin, 2014.
asciilifeform: also a case of 'cost paid by mircea_popescu to talk to a thousand derps to get their pennies is not a cost because we say so and shuddup terrorist'
mircea_popescu: you know... it's social interaction that fell behind their redittardedly advancing technologee
mircea_popescu: notrly teh other way around.
mircea_popescu: but whatever, i have no expectation to explain to ustards that a classics education always beats a stem education. not in this life. the contrary nonsense's been derped too much, and they've never seen anyone with a classical education anyway.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: a classics education always beats a stem << this doesn't get undergrad children jobs in the US. interesting though, that having gotten a stem education, i feel extremely deprived of not having studied as many classics
asciilifeform: you ~can't get either kind in usa
thestringpuller: you can't get "marketing" STEM degree in USA. that is degree is more of advertisement for self, that bears no real meaning.
asciilifeform: but you ~can~ pay 200k usd to derp about the great zimbabwe for 4 (5? 6?) years.
thestringpuller: the actual education even if considered "top class" results in MIT graduates unable to light a bulb with battery + wire
mircea_popescu: alf has it. you can not, for any sum of money, acquire a classics education in the english language today.
mircea_popescu: was marginally possible in the 80s, but no more.
asciilifeform: actual education, in usa, to the extent it can be had, is done by skipping class and hanging out among the dusty tomes, and illicit experiments in your cellar.
thestringpuller: This is why an advisor with good intentions usually pushes students "with potential" to study abroad.
thestringpuller: And usually why they get huge tuition cuts if they do.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can't really experiment with the other kind however ; an tomes lie. not by design but in effect.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i've never met a 'study abroad' type in usa who wasn't prestige-farming 'future student leaders!111' apparatchik candidate
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller not sure where that abroad would be. damascus maybe.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: illicit experiments in your cellar. << What about a good teacher? Is the teacher extinct from a scholarly perspective.
mircea_popescu: there is no us citizen alive today who is qualified to as much as teach latin.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: do you recall the professor brin thread ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: not sure where that abroad would be. << the ones I would trust with money usually studied in China.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi about china. who knows, maybe.
mircea_popescu: though their classics give me hives.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i can't seem to find it in search
thestringpuller: $professor brin
thestringpuller: $search professor brin
mircea_popescu: $s brin the elder
a111: 5 results for "brin the elder", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=brin%20the%20elder
thestringpuller: aha ty mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: i suspect that the good teachers have been driven into drink, and retirement
a111: Logged on 2016-07-08 14:31 mircea_popescu: though their classics give me hives.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: so the fate full nodes are facing, is a similar fate good teachers face?
thestringpuller: They are useful, but are not rewarded for their usefulness...how is this sustainable?
asciilifeform: what does 'useful' mean in the absence of the raw material to work with ?
thestringpuller: so lack of "useful students" is the sole problem?
mircea_popescu: fucking "take moar oestrogen" confucius & "wanna hear our inept teenage boyish oneupmanships" zeo-dan derps.
asciilifeform: what other problem could there possibly be?
mircea_popescu: i mean zen-dao, whatevers
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the marginal refuse of the west picked up the derpiest chinese material
asciilifeform: mega-surprise ?
mircea_popescu: what can i say. perhaps.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: the same rationale behind why there is no "sane computer" thread. i.e. dumbness is institutionalized. so wouldn't useless students be merely a symptom of this?
asciilifeform: this is why i was sad to see spandrel drummed out, he was potentially a window into the other things.
mircea_popescu: nobody can know everything an' i dun know azns.
mircea_popescu: he got drummed out ?
asciilifeform: not precisely
asciilifeform: but i'm not certain i would come back if i were him
mircea_popescu: iirc it was more a case of "hey, i'm here to promote ; oh you're not really an audience ? ok, ima go promote down the street"
mircea_popescu: which is fine and all, i mean waste of his life but what's that to me.
mircea_popescu: (though you'd think he'd fucking know better if he were that window - neh ?)
asciilifeform: translators are often humble folk.
mircea_popescu: good translators ? without exception they're major actors in one, often both cultures.
mircea_popescu: that's what translator means.
asciilifeform: well we haven't any of those.
mircea_popescu: and so my ignorance continues.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: re 'institutional' - every other year or so i visit the headquarters of the dept i graduated from, on foot, just because i live nearby and why the hell not. but lately it is almost a challenge to avoid barfing
asciilifeform: at this point, folks with actual interest in the subject would last five seconds in the school.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wonder how much he makes out of selling books in 2016 for the love of lols.
mircea_popescu: i could think of a more ridoinculous proposition but not readily.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to formalize this, i figure there's people who're looking to take ; and people who're looking to give themselves away asciilifeform . tmsr is entirely and to some degree by design inadherent to the former. it may, maybe, work for short intervals, but not too likely, and certainly less likely over time. this results in a lot of butthurt, calling it a cult, whatever.
mircea_popescu: but the invisible line that unites curtis yarvin, that "lesswrong" derp, spandrell fellow, the restaurant manager chick yesterday, and on and on an endless list of these, is specifically that they welded the head shut.
mircea_popescu: "this is the code i'ma run, see how much of the world i can despoil on its basis"
mircea_popescu: it's infantile, sure, and moreover they're pretty miserable at it. nevertheless, it's what they're doing, and there's no outside flippable switch to get them out of it.
mircea_popescu: time, or more likely, the grave will straighten out this hunchback.
mircea_popescu: and of course it's perfectly understandable, the whore has a whore's personality not because she's an evil harpy shrew but because it's the only way to survive at the bottom of the shit ocean : batten the damned hatches.
mircea_popescu: somewhat relatedly, most people don't figure they have ANY authority. therein included, the authority to decide what to do with themselves at any point (gotta be in school in half hour! shiot im late for job interview! omg office hours!) or for that matter what to believe.
mircea_popescu: these can't possibly participate in any sort of forum where actual people intercourse, simply because they've not what with.
mircea_popescu: and in other rotherham lulz, https://www.rt.com/news/349784-german-migrants-assault-lie/
mircea_popescu: some derpy chick by the name selin goren got raped by a bunch of arab immigrants, liked it, reported to police that she was robbed by a group of german men.
mircea_popescu: oh also, http://www.nationalisti.ro/2016/07/sri-decis-sfarsit-sa-ne-spuna-la-digi-care-e-faza-cu-tancurile-americane-bai-frate-cu-300-de-tancuri-faci-razboi-nu-exercitii-militare/ << us armor moving through romania towards ukraine ; 500-1k pieces spotted, mostly heavy.
trinque: "politically expedient" she says
trinque: damn that's some honesty
mircea_popescu: who ?
trinque: the raped chick
mircea_popescu: oh the german derp. myeah.
mircea_popescu: hey, she knows how it goes.
mircea_popescu: "rape" is a matter of who, not a matter of what.
trinque: fascinates me how the ancient instincts wear whichever "politically expedient" mask is available in the times
mircea_popescu: similarly fascinating, how women grew hair on head throughout the roman empire, showed up on coins with currently fashionable hairdo nevertheless ; or how they've had two tits and a slit for millenia yet always dressed in period dress everywherw!
mircea_popescu: http://lucianisar.com/uncategorized/bnr-si-aurul-la-londra-cat-sa-iasa-de-o-ciunga/ << romania ships ~60 tons of gold to london. you know, for safekeeping. lolz.
mircea_popescu: (it's something like a coupla billion worth, ie just enough to bridge britain through the brexit)
deedbot: [Qntra] Dallas "Black Lives Matter" Sniper Killed In Drone Bombing - http://qntra.net/2016/07/dallas-black-lives-matter-sniper-killed-in-drone-bombing/
mircea_popescu: is this first in us ?
asciilifeform: lel 'spanish gold' never ends
mircea_popescu is out of the loop, no idea what bnr might have gotten out of the deal.
mircea_popescu: but the notion of helping the fucktarded brits is anathema, jesus f christ.
asciilifeform: hey it isn't ro gold no moar, it is nato (usg) gold.
asciilifeform: just as ro railroad is this thing that exists mainly to move nato tanks.
asciilifeform: (otherwise would go to the same place as ro nuke institute)
asciilifeform: 'He added that while robots aren't typically designed to be armed — they're used for observation or dismantling purposes — law enforcement could decide to use bomb robots when officers are in immediate danger.'
asciilifeform: afaik no u.s. police precinct Officially issues frags.
asciilifeform: then again, last month we learned that they issue demo charges.
asciilifeform: (how many popped in orlando - five ?)
mircea_popescu: you mean the ones the terrorist blew up ?
asciilifeform: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cm2TgDEW8AIOQus.jpg:large << purported bot.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Is that a different one than your shotgun bot from the South St Louis standoff?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: looks rather different
asciilifeform: http://www.popsci.com/police-used-bomb-disposal-robot-to-kill-dallas-shooting-suspect?src=SOC&dom=tw << according to volkischer beobachter, the machine includes bomblets for setting off suspected bomb
asciilifeform: http://www.northropgrumman.com/Capabilities/Remotec/Products/Pages/F6B.aspx << vendor.
asciilifeform: 'Dual accessory mounts on arm allow simultaneous, multiple weapon/sensor deployment.'
asciilifeform: general-purpose killbot.
mircea_popescu: looks pretty cheaply made, al/composite. more of the same "we can attack very well and defend nothing at all" technologees ?
a111: Logged on 2015-03-26 20:42 asciilifeform: expect this kind of policing to become sop
a111: Logged on 2015-03-26 20:42 asciilifeform: that is, heavily-armoured box shows up with puppeteer, who controls (via radio or fiber) several deathbots
a111: Logged on 2015-03-26 20:43 asciilifeform: one to break doors, gates; one to threaten bystanders, if any, with 'accidental' fire; one to shoot; and perhaps one with a cage that arrestee -might- be permitted to surrender into, if the bot's voice-recognition system works and if orders included a possible live capture
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how much difference would it make if it were made of the finest titanium ?
asciilifeform: thing is not a tank, is a disposable unmanned toy
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://www.historia.ro/sites/default/files/styles/article_main_image/public/3_233.jpg << fashion at the time being to dress the chicks in "popular costume". because hey, womenz, and what woman doesn't love to be secretly humiliated.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in virtually all encounters, the "toy" costs more than the intended victims.
asciilifeform: this is nearly always true
mircea_popescu: moreover your own quote says "heavily armoured"
asciilifeform: very few folks in usa are 'worth' the bullet
mircea_popescu: that shit's rv-plane level armored.
asciilifeform: idea is to 'discourage the others'
mircea_popescu: by spending more than they're worth ?
mircea_popescu: brb gonna shoot ants with molasses. it'll show em!
asciilifeform: there is no organized resistance in usa.
asciilifeform: (masses of idiots, herded by provocateurs, notwithstanding)
asciilifeform: and against disorganized bulls, robot worx great.
asciilifeform: cheaper than half dozen dead cops.
mircea_popescu: this will continue for as long as there exists no -ev peons in the us. for as long as the govt can pay and pay and pay, it works.
mircea_popescu: once people gotta forage their own food, things change.
mircea_popescu: for now, there's 60tons of ro gold. like you know, during trajan, exactly.
asciilifeform: for so long as http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495476 continues, 'business as usual'
a111: Logged on 2016-07-03 02:16 asciilifeform: https://i.imgsafe.org/87582032d9.jpg << moar tuna than you will ever see in one place.
mircea_popescu: except... there's not another 60, not that another 60 would be enough next time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you should look at ocean population data sometime.
mircea_popescu: i do not believe any of your children will ever eat fish.
asciilifeform: dunno that most folks in usa ever eat ~oceanic~ fish even now.
asciilifeform: they eat ~tasteless vat-grown.
mircea_popescu: river tuna ?
asciilifeform: tuna might be the last wild-caught thing.
asciilifeform: how much heavy metal, by now, per kg ?
mircea_popescu: but it was the example!
mircea_popescu: also, sardine.
mircea_popescu: not that much, shockingly.
mircea_popescu: i mean, more than in 1016, but not as much as projected in 1976
mircea_popescu: anyway. the untold story of the us "we can't defend, we attack" thing is evident in the history of medieval castle warfare. at the time, war was heavily defensive, there was ~no effectual way to attack whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: so building a castle was ~the only practical way to prepare for war. except as the kings successfuly found out, a defensive item defends whoever's there, not whoever built it.
mircea_popescu: usg nightmare scenario is exactly this, highly defensive "everything's a fortress and with gun ports" bourgeois restructuring of the town.
mircea_popescu: which is why if you build, build on reinforced concrete not on fucking vinyl etc.
asciilifeform: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/01/police_robot_burns_down_house/?mt=1467993035014 << somehow i missed this gem.
BingoBoingo: In other news all is right with the world again as I have new cordless drill.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol cordless
asciilifeform: i thought BingoBoingo was moving to 19th c. hand tools
asciilifeform: (or at least 'hole hawg')
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Also have corded and the hand powered kind of cordless
BingoBoingo: But li-ion has its place by being convenient
BingoBoingo: Do wish for adapter to cord it to lead acid battery terminal though.
BingoBoingo: Perhaps will solicit several months after halving
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where in usa, exactly, are folks building 'highly defensive "everything's a fortress and with gun ports" bourgeois restructuring' ?
mircea_popescu: nowhere today, no. i was discussing the baricadable paris of 1700/1800
BingoBoingo: Anyways new drill's chicom makers were sufficiently polite so as to let me be the one to break in the motor's brushes. Was very sparky out of the box, tamer now.
asciilifeform: which, notably, was effective lesson to future 'beoble's republics' as to how not to build city.
asciilifeform: EVERY major city today is defined by the turning radius of a tank.
asciilifeform: it is one of those 'libraries' that ~every~ state #includes.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the problem with defensive means is that they empower the individual. state wants offensive means, and if possible to fight all wars against strictly offensive forces.
asciilifeform: recall the land mines thread ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, a model republican city built specifically on anti-socialist-state principles would be interesting
asciilifeform: why do you suppose the 'internashinl komyoooooniti' campaigns against mines ?
asciilifeform: they are the poor man's soldier.
mircea_popescu: pity tmsr doesn't currently include an architect.
asciilifeform: or a nuke deterrent.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha.
BingoBoingo: IN defensive news StL and apparently other deparments today began mandating wearing of their kevlar vests, optional before
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform note that they only campaign against mines ON LAND
mircea_popescu: in the sea they're fine.
asciilifeform: a crypto-toggled mine would be a fine thing.
asciilifeform: 'in my wot? go, walk.'
mircea_popescu: anyway ; the us "survivalist" folks have the right idea, even if they don't understand the higher level considerations necessarily. "if you're going to build, build a bunker"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was kinda thinking, back in 2013, that who knows by 2020 nsa could be making that.
mircea_popescu: by now... i don't hope i'll live to see it.
asciilifeform: it is a pretty obvious, imho, idea.
asciilifeform: the next me will make it, or the third, or fourth.
asciilifeform: i will point out the possibly non-obvious aspect, here, for future reference:
asciilifeform: you don't want a radio receiver in them.
asciilifeform: it is the obvious, screaming way to do the crypto comms, but entirely and catastrophically wrong.
asciilifeform: if you have radio, receiver can be overloaded and fried
asciilifeform: and at any rate, cannot be shielded and will thus be pickable up with nonlinear junction detector.
asciilifeform: you want ~acoustic~ control.
asciilifeform: as in sonobuoys.
asciilifeform: only gotta send a few kB, and who gives a fuck if it takes half an hour.
asciilifeform: transmit using 'thumper', as seen in 'dune' (and every pipe-laying crew on earth)
asciilifeform: the main difficulty is, in getting the mechanism to be 100% reliable.
asciilifeform: because if it isn't, or if enemy can somehow compromise its reliability...
trinque: yeah, I don't see a great way of confirming back that it's disarmed
asciilifeform: it is the obvious reason why - afaik - no modern army fields crypto mines.
asciilifeform: they, however, WILL work, for a medieval-style 'no you are not precious snowflake and guess what, your grenade during training has 5% chance of killing you and stfu' army.
asciilifeform: of the near future.
asciilifeform: so crypto mine has 5% chance of not hearing disarm signal. so wat.
asciilifeform: e.g., many ww2 engagements, had substantially > than that friendly fire casualty rate.
asciilifeform: so stalin loses 5% of men on his own cryptofield, but hitler loses 95.
asciilifeform: so the search for mythical '100% reliable' mine is a distration. and a useful one, because it keeps usg from deploying the thing.
trinque: any signaling of "off" gives up the position of the mines
trinque: suppose you could spread out antenna in the dirt though, such that it's imprecise
asciilifeform: mines with acoustic sensors could do many spiffy things. such as... ~encircling~ the enemy.
asciilifeform: (let him pass in, but not out, of cauldron)
asciilifeform: trinque: no antennae. see above.
trinque: or have a preference for large prey, yep
asciilifeform: 'large prey' was already baked in ww2, tank mines
asciilifeform: low-tech thing.
asciilifeform: there are already mines that let N tanks pass before triggering, it is very old idea.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, speaking of "keeps us from exploring", isn't it funny how abandoned special concretes are today ? the VERY related field of special ceramics gets all the love. because obviously, the earlier linked robot.
asciilifeform long-time aficionado of subj
mircea_popescu: but think for a moment... what'd a nylon mesh do for concrete ? what'd graphite strucutre ? etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: or even pykrete.
asciilifeform: scarcely gets cheaper than pykrete.
mircea_popescu: considering what the current ships are like, pykrete's a much better alternative.
asciilifeform: (virtually indestructible)
asciilifeform: when i first learned of pykrete, i had the obvious idea
asciilifeform: (that you could 'print' it underwater, using a moving print head, liquid N2 jet and pipe for water/sawdust slurry)
asciilifeform: instant boat.
asciilifeform: or fort. etc
mircea_popescu: we leave this for ben_vulpes 's robot miner army.
asciilifeform: the inevitable n-th army.
asciilifeform: 'Нас много, всех не перевешаете.' (tm) (r)
asciilifeform: to round off the thread,
asciilifeform: one obvious way to have crypto-mines with NO comms,
asciilifeform: is timed gaps.
asciilifeform: if you have the key, you know which half hour the field is passable in, per week.
asciilifeform: if not - not.
mircea_popescu: t&e delivers same result
asciilifeform: t&e ?
mircea_popescu: trial and error
asciilifeform: you mean, mine-clearing using prisoners (or sheep etc) ?
asciilifeform: worx on all mines
asciilifeform: nothing you can do about it.
asciilifeform: (definitionally - mine can only go off once...)
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, not a very good scheme.
asciilifeform: as to what's to keep enemy from using up 1 captive to test - this is what the 'encircle' program is for.
asciilifeform: none go off until the field senses 10,001 foot steps.
asciilifeform: 'entry is a buck, exit - costs 2.' (tm)
asciilifeform: scheme has obvious down sides but i can see cases where it wins.
mircea_popescu: well sure, everything has cases where it wins.
asciilifeform: 'President Barack Obama, who was in Warsaw for a NATO meeting, said the U.S. was "horrified" by the "vicious, callous and despicable attack."' << gold.
mircea_popescu: in texas ?!
mircea_popescu: i thought he had to order drone strikes
asciilifeform: only against camel-fuckers
mircea_popescu: that great-again is getting better and better!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo proposed alternative terminology for the us : "The Great Great-Again", GGA.
asciilifeform: http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2016_27/1611836/ss-160708-dallas-police-shooting-04_40853e7282ab7e261e2f1662efde0027.nbcnews-ux-1024-900.jpg << great again !
asciilifeform: http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2016_27/1611816/ss-160708-dallas-police-shooting-08_40853e7282ab7e261e2f1662efde0027.nbcnews-ux-1024-900.jpg << love the face
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'll let you do a piece to introduce the term. Need to be very clear on applications so context is needed.
asciilifeform: and the inevitable: '"When people are armed with powerful weapons, unfortunately it makes attacks like these more deadly and tragic," Obama told a press conference during a trip to Poland. "In the days ahead we're going to have to consider those realities."' (obummer)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo maybe we let it mature a little first.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how about taking away ALL weapons from ALL usg-paid ANYONE.
mircea_popescu: no more us army, no more us police, nothing.
mircea_popescu: "if you work for the government, in any capacity, you're slave not a citizen. pick up a shovel and make yourself useful. bitch."
asciilifeform: lel go an' take.
mircea_popescu: i imagine that's what he meant to say, right ? it'd clearly make "attacks like these" much less deadly.
asciilifeform: 'how about taking away all weapons from wehrmacht'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform last i checked they still buy them with dollars. those can be taken anyway from them as well as from anyone.
asciilifeform: just as usg corruption ain't 'corruption', usg weapons are... 'peace sticks' or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: heh. in their dreamzzz.
asciilifeform: they dun 'buy' any more than hitler did.
asciilifeform: i heard that things might be a little different on mircea_popescu's planet, but on the one where i live, it is usg who does the givin' and the takin'.
mircea_popescu: and in some households the woman is doing the talkin'.
asciilifeform: what can i say, wake me up when mircea_popescu shows up to disarm the ss.
mircea_popescu: you plan to sleep till then ?
asciilifeform: not exactly. but do wake me up !111
mircea_popescu: kay >)
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo maybe we let it mature a little first. << Prolly for the best. Meme'ing isn't drilling, there's no room to play with 12 volts of conveniece because unlike drill needs to last.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the made in USA vs china problem in a nutshell http://toolguyd.com/empire-e2g-e70-level/
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: speaking of workshops, i finally scored a (smallish) cnc mill. but it will need new motor.
BingoBoingo: ;tldr "Made in USA" to the extent in continues does so for feels in weird
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sweet
asciilifeform: dafuq is 'true blue liquid' ??
BingoBoingo: Basically level solution, but different color because branding.
BingoBoingo: Or perhaps different alcohol
asciilifeform: and it matters because...?
BingoBoingo: Because made in USA because if made in China factories would sell "brand's" products without letting brand know.
asciilifeform: i have a sledge hammer. it is 'made in usa!11'
BingoBoingo: This is a form of weird known as "trade dress"
asciilifeform: approx the tech level available here
asciilifeform: for less than golden toilet price, anyway.
asciilifeform: if you want so much as a radio made in usa, you have to buy from grumman and it will cost its weight in pu.
BingoBoingo: Hey my rubber hose circa this week also made in USA. Slightly higher tech
asciilifeform: probably made from corn.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'trade dress' << do you recall the incident where fluke corp. had a party of chinese voltmeters confiscated and burned at a customs checkpoint ? FOR BEING YELLOW ??
BingoBoingo: Maybe corn has a latex in the stalk?
BingoBoingo: lol yeah
a111: Logged on 2014-03-22 17:53 asciilifeform: the next day, they 'apologized' by... supplying a crate of free fluke meters to the victim
BingoBoingo: Not that power tools this is actually less issue because TTI makes nearly everything and is chicom.
BingoBoingo: Well, stanley black and decker company has problems prolly, but... exist now as ghostly AMD to TTI's intel
BingoBoingo: (german concerns like festool dun count because "apple-icized"
asciilifeform: https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/751424255934361602 << lel. we've seen this play before.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the interesting bit is that i routinely see all-iron, heavy, electric drills etc. at yard sales, circa 1940s-50s. they still work.
asciilifeform: and will still work in 2050s if kept reasonably oiled.
asciilifeform: forget about the chinese rubbish.
asciilifeform: if you learn to rebuild motor windings, yer grandchildrenz will drill with the same drill.
asciilifeform: just like partizans fighting ukrs are using ww2 weapons now.
asciilifeform: they work.
asciilifeform: (there are even reports of 'maxim' from ww1! in use.)
asciilifeform: take care of yours toolz, they will take care of you.
asciilifeform: http://www.woodworkingtalk.com/attachments/f12/3138-old-power-tool-recommendations-b-ddrill.jpg << example.
asciilifeform: 0 plastic.
asciilifeform: ^ much more convenient grip than modern examples. why was it abandoned ?
asciilifeform: spade handle points the thing more or less where you point your hand.
asciilifeform: and that motor! easily 1/2 horse.
asciilifeform: i am still waiting for some satisfactory answer re why this went away.
mircea_popescu: i think i had one of those
asciilifeform: everybody had one of these.
asciilifeform: at some point.
asciilifeform: ru folks still, i suspect, have theirs
mircea_popescu: complete with imbibed-textile power cord
mircea_popescu: no plastics that'd work at that time
asciilifeform: what other cord in '40s!1!
mircea_popescu: so it was basically tarred linen
asciilifeform: just as in edison's time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform honestly it looks like one of those items where they make 1mn of each part then send in the gurlz to fish for matching sets.
asciilifeform: tolerance is not so low that you cannot match arbitrary set.
mircea_popescu: guess not.
mircea_popescu: louder engine maybe
asciilifeform: these are not american rifles.
asciilifeform: where you have to match to 0.1% or whatever.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i really hate drills that don't apply the brake when i release the trigger
ben_vulpes: stops the drill action?
ben_vulpes has nfi how it actually works
asciilifeform: probably disconnects the motor winding from mains, and shorts it
asciilifeform: but why would i want this.
ben_vulpes: to avoid driving the screw too far into whatever.
ben_vulpes: wide wide world of materials.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes drives screws with a drill?!
ben_vulpes: my drill does both quite handily.
ben_vulpes: 2006 18V ryobi.
asciilifeform: does your hammer also drive screws, ben_vulpes ?
asciilifeform: how about rifle ? you have screw-driver bayonet attachment ?
ben_vulpes: let me say then that my screw gun drills holes.
ben_vulpes: i also have one of the 40s monsters!
ben_vulpes: just infrequently used.
ben_vulpes: excellent for sinking a million holes. less useful for sinking holes and immediately filling them with screws.
mircea_popescu: he has a point ; 1940s tools not nearly as flexible.
asciilifeform: 'flexible' is for the birds. use the tool for the job.
ben_vulpes: flexible can be fragile
asciilifeform: drill for drilling, screw gun for screwing, etc
ben_vulpes: stuff and nonsense. tool is electrical motor and electricity.
mircea_popescu: flexbile can be fragile. then again your skin's not made of treebark.
ben_vulpes: and the job is sometimes not simply sinking holes.
mircea_popescu: kinda looking forward to the obvious application of usg drone depicted supra
asciilifeform: 1940s works, built by inflexible people with inflexible toolz, are still standing. and quite valuable.
mircea_popescu: which is the garage bot. follows you around and does things. like make holes. with the right tool for job.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: neither you nor i live in their works.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: because valuable.
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The Bitcoin Life Insurance policy. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/08/the-bitcoin-life-insurance-policy/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, i bet, lives in their worx.
ben_vulpes: part of my job is not accidentally ripping the vinyl apart with 1940s tools
ben_vulpes: because then hole in rental environmental envelope, pissed off landlord, and no shelf!
ben_vulpes: metaphorical vinyl!
ben_vulpes: i'm not living in my domes yet.
asciilifeform: i thought ben_vulpes finally bought log cabin
ben_vulpes: rented, vinyl cabin in forest.
ben_vulpes: vinyl, perhaps a bit mean-spirited.
asciilifeform: i suppose that's why it looks so clean
asciilifeform: in the woman's pic
ben_vulpes: it is a lovely little cottage.
ben_vulpes: the pinterests? i don't think any of that is oc
asciilifeform: there was some log cabin thing.
ben_vulpes: not mine, and the ancestral mountain home is not 'log' either.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and will still work in 2050s if kept reasonably oiled. << But sometime you just gotta go places disposable makes sense. Like outside. If disposable can go outside no reason to risk srs machine.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> brake?! << common now in disposables. Also common: screwdriving clutch
asciilifeform: screw gun, with 25:1 gearing, needs no stinkin' brake
asciilifeform: mats: darwinalicious.
BingoBoingo supposes asciilifeform is unfamiliar with "cordless impact driver (distinct from hammer drill).
mats: i chuckled for about thirty seconds
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there was a thread about it
asciilifeform: but no, i dun have one
BingoBoingo: Seems to be the specialized tool for driving lag bolts atm.
BingoBoingo: $google oscillating multitool
deedbot: http://www.homedepot.com/b/Tools-Hardware-Power-Tools-Power-Multi-Tools-Oscillating-Tools/N-5yc1vZc2b2 << Oscillating Tools - Power Multi Tools - Power Tools - The Home Depot | http://www.popularmechanics.com/home/interior-projects/how-to/g1763/the-best-oscillating-tools-we-put-9-to-the-test/ << The Best Oscillating Tools: We Put 9 to the Test | http://www.woodmagazine.com/woodworking-tools/reviews/more/oscillating-multi-tools << Tool review: Oscillating
BingoBoingo: $up lru
deedbot: lru voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: who might you be, lru ?
BingoBoingo doesn't know why that get dubbed "multitool" and still more versatile reciprocating saw doesn't
asciilifeform: https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--T_jqeJWb--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/18iyzhe2e0lndpng.png << reciprocating multi-tool.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed very versatile
BingoBoingo: Shame the despot doesn't yet stock fucking blades for them.
asciilifeform: btw i recall a report of an idiot who made one of these ~with the saw blade in~
asciilifeform: it sawed through.
BingoBoingo: But not like rectovaginal fistula is a rare thing
mircea_popescu: i never saw one.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, we now learn, doesn't fuck african chix with botched declitorations.
mircea_popescu: that doesn't normally yield perineum perforation does it ?
asciilifeform: iirc it does
asciilifeform: when they birth
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Tis a problem mostly related to birthing
asciilifeform: the ones that got stapled shut earlier
mircea_popescu: no, i've not had children!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had spiffy essay at one point re how places that REALLY can't afford high birth rate, mutilate chix
asciilifeform: (when calories are so scarce that they can't even afford birth-and-throw-to-the-snakes birthcontrol)
asciilifeform: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-joe-walsh-twitter-dallas-tweet-20160708-story.html << moar lulz.
asciilifeform: 'Former Illinois Congressman Joe Walsh declared "This is now war" and called for President Barack Obama to "watch out" in a Twitter post reacting to the Dallas shooting that killed five police officers and injured seven. "This is now war. Watch out Obama. Watch out black lives matter punks. Real America is coming after you," he wrote in the tweet, which has since been deleted.'
BingoBoingo: I believe the term being bandied around is "RAHOWA"
asciilifeform: '"There's a war against our cops in this country, and I think Obama has fed that war and Black Lives Matter has fed that war. ... Obama's words and the deeds of Black Lives Matter have gotten cops in this country killed."'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wats that
mircea_popescu: where was that mp line saying black people are going to end up in death camps, purely demographic reasons ?
BingoBoingo: $google RAHOWA
deedbot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahowa_(band) << Rahowa (band) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=RAHOWA << Urban Dictionary: RAHOWA | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RaHoWa << RaHoWa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: it would have to be atzlan's death camps.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform weimar republic liked jews ; didn't help them.
asciilifeform: because sure as hell won't be ones run by white folk.
BingoBoingo: $google Ben Klassen
deedbot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Klassen << Ben Klassen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggnACwSIXPs << Ben Klassen PM on Race & Reason - Part 1 of 3 - YouTube | http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Ben_Klassen << Ben Klassen - Metapedia
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a foregone conclusion at this point. most dangerous place in the world for black person is the continental us.
mircea_popescu: gotta get out.
asciilifeform: 'In addition to his religious and political work, Klassen was an electrical engineer and was the inventor of a wall-mounted electric can-opener.' << lulzy
BingoBoingo: 140 blocks left till halving
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform it's a foregone conclusion at this point. most dangerous place in the world for black person is the continental us. << cc: thestringpuller
mircea_popescu: poor guy heh.
BingoBoingo: But yeah this collective responsibility business seems to be primed to turn back around.
mircea_popescu: "jews got all the media", recall that one ?
mircea_popescu: "jews are fundamentally cowardly and organically insolent", recall ?
mircea_popescu: "jews are libidinous beasts!!11 fuxing our womenz!!1"
mircea_popescu: etc etc
BingoBoingo: is this a new thing?
mircea_popescu: no, it's the same old thing. the birth of a scapegoat.
mircea_popescu: make america great again!
BingoBoingo confused about libidinous jew stereotype
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mircea_popescu: http://henrymakow.com/upload_images/Fat-Evil-Jew-Seduces-a-Good-German-Woman-with-his-Material-Wares.jpg << no shortage of the stuff.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-22 22:46 asciilifeform: http://www.pzg.biz/poster_poison_mushroom.htm << for n00bz.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure that's a jew hat thing and not a hamplanet hate thing?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo there's lots of these http://blacksimpregnatewhites.tumblr.com/ type fantasies ; mostly entirely run by white dudes.
BingoBoingo: Oh yeah, but seriously Jews? The people so brow beaten by their women?
BingoBoingo: I thought their stereotype was more as a sort of castrati
mircea_popescu: hey, there's absolutely no limit to what may figure in a fantasy.
mircea_popescu: the average german dude in 1936 believed jews to be in general fucking teenaged german girls by the boatload much like you believe black dudes have big cocks
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you think this because the lafond image (niggers=cowards) prevailed by virtue of you know, the gas chambers. but historically it was not a widely held view.
mod6: <@deedbot> [Trilema] O hey, is it November yet ? - http://trilema.com/2016/o-hey-is-it-november-yet/ << :D the likeness!
mircea_popescu: is it ?
mircea_popescu: i was worried maybe i'm hallucinating it
mircea_popescu: in other "argentines are retards" lulz, here's a challenge for anyone : find a list of buenos aires highschools online. anywhere, in any language.
mircea_popescu: wikipedia has a meagre dozen, ie, abour 2%. "paginas amarillas" like 9. buenosaires.gob.ar a derpy page with large fonts and nice graphics, nothing useful. (in line with the entire government here, they're basically made by apple, 0 substance, harsh colors, foot tall fonts. smartphone sites.)
mircea_popescu: but if you do actually have the intel and get this together, you discover that a) more than half are "religious" ; b) none actually meet the academic level of a ghetto highschool in fucking maryland and so on and so forth.
mircea_popescu: how anyone thinks of this place as above somaliland is entirely beyond me, and strictly a matter of racism.
mircea_popescu: guess what : argentine niggers aren't any better just because they happen to be white-toned.
phf: BingoBoingo: ha! that's because you entered the stereotype conversation at the closing end
phf: i was actually kind of surprised by the castrati thing, and blame new york jews and their documented ideology on non violence on the shift
phf: but back in old world, jews for all practical purposes niggers. jews were affiliated with both banking world and criminal world
phf: ostap bender, a very popular character in su, was an odessan jew, and a "farsovshik" i.e. a huckster
phf: half the criminals in movies and books were jews
mircea_popescu: demography doth not lie. be the 11-12% minority, get murdered. it's really that simple.
phf: largest surviving mafia organization from before zar times is odessan mafia (which is where briton beach crowd is from, incorrectly called "russian mafia"), which was exclusively jewish
mircea_popescu: ny mafia was originally also jewish. recruits dried out cca 1950ish, with italians flooding in.
phf: yeah, ny mafia is odessa mafia, only recently, i.e. post 90s did you start getting an influx of "eastern promises" russians
mircea_popescu: phf ro "farsor" (farce-actor), ~same meaning.
mircea_popescu: o you saw that film ?
mircea_popescu: not bad huh.
phf: oh that's what americans ask me all the time "so ugh you saw eastern promises?"
mircea_popescu: damn, now i know what i should have said re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1471912 ! http://trilema.com/2015/a-modern-lovestory-ioan-niculaie-diana-guresoaie/
a111: Logged on 2016-05-25 20:45 vc: I can't tell if you're serious or not
phf: i was mostly disappointed that they didn't play up traditional su mafia things. we have our own omerta! where's the songs? where's the slang? seems like a lot of wasted opportunity. all we got is a "carefully researched" tattoos
mircea_popescu: phf too much material. us-audience film is a 2kb affair.
mircea_popescu: amiga version!
asciilifeform: american films about su/ru are weird.
asciilifeform: for instance, the iconic tub o'shit 'red october'
asciilifeform: they felt it necessary to MAKE UP a naval anthem
mircea_popescu: the fact that they at fucking least got the tattoos ~right (and no, it's absolutely not out of place that a bunch of dudes in suits gather on fine leather upholstery to drink aged cognac while one of them takes apart a sorry set of 1920 shaver turned into tattoo machine and proceeds.)
asciilifeform: using someone who learned the language from... a dictionary?
asciilifeform: must be
asciilifeform: (see the intro title credits to the film, it is there)
mircea_popescu: but yes, as a narrative it barely holds together in a thousand places. still, ahead of class.
asciilifeform: or try another american film, 'beautiful mind', about crazy mathematician john nash
mircea_popescu: that thing was offensive
asciilifeform: they had his hallucinated ru enemies, speak... fuck knows what
mircea_popescu: they should stick to forrest gump ; touchy feely nobody on a stick works better.
asciilifeform: some language made up on the spot
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i saw a 'forrest gump'-themed restaurant in bmore.
phf: american movies don't do geniuses very well, unless it's "odd" characters, like the aviator
mircea_popescu: in the sense that what, all the wait staff was retarded ?
mircea_popescu: i see these here daily.
asciilifeform: i did not go in.
asciilifeform: maybe tomorrow, will go in.
mircea_popescu: wtf was that much better film, with the rape victim ukr ?
mircea_popescu: i don't think it ever saw us wide release
asciilifeform: i have nfi
asciilifeform: dun recall such a thing
mircea_popescu: either of you saw it ?
asciilifeform has not
mircea_popescu: much more "western slav" (ie, serb) mafia than eastern slav, but anyway. altogether better film.
phf: i have not seen it either
mircea_popescu: well im curious what you think!
phf: looks fun
mircea_popescu: phf about the same period, whole world was trying to do "romanian realism" with mixed results.
phf: they don't have enough bratki for that
phf: su prison system managed to preserve and cook up a special kind of culture
mircea_popescu: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-cannes-romania-new-wave-movies-mungiu-puiu-20160525-snap-story.html << re "ro realism".
mircea_popescu: ~all mentioned titles are worth watching, i'd say.
phf: "Mysterious death of software pioneer Ian Murdock ruled suicide ☶ money.cnn.com"
asciilifeform: ☶ ??
asciilifeform: tangram is in uniturd nao?!
asciilifeform: or what was it
asciilifeform: holy shit
phf: asciilifeform: lobste.rs uses iching symbols for some unknown internal reasons which i don't have inclination of investigating. somewhere on par with calling a currency "etherium" and a corporation "dao". way to corner those timeless symbols gaiz
asciilifeform: 'The autopsy records also note his body was covered in bruises -- on his chest, abdomen, back, arms and legs.' << much suicide. surprised that no nailgun holes.
asciilifeform: 'Officers said Murdock banged his own head against the metal cage inside the police car. '
phf: "the victim proceeded to repeatedly trip and fall on knife 37 times"
asciilifeform: from same rag, http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/07/technology/philando-castile-tech-workers-calling-in-black/index.html?iid=ob_article_footer
asciilifeform: 'Calling in black is essentially an excuse for a day of self care, wrote Slack engineer Erica Baker in a Medium post called "Processing." The move comes in the wake of the murders of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile, two black men who died at the hands of police officers just this week. Their deaths aren't anomalies by any stretch: Eric Garner, Freddie Gray and Tamir Rice are just a few of the names that have made headlines in the
asciilifeform: past few years. "Today I will give myself the space to grieve for Alton Sterling, Philando Castile, and every other black person that has been executed and all those that will be executed by the police, until we finally say enough is enough and put an end to the terrorism that we call modern day policing," '
phf: "если луиса корвалана не отпустят — я завтра на работу не выйду"
mircea_popescu: clearly needed. THIS is needed. the finger is not. fucking i-ching.
mircea_popescu: next they're going to put a mahjongg set
phf: mircea_popescu: boy do i have news for you
mircea_popescu: no fucking way
BingoBoingo: "The case of a black man found hanging from a tree in Piedmont Park has been referred to the FBI, Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed said.
BingoBoingo: Reeds statement was issued Thursday afternoon, hours after social media users expressed outrage about the Atlanta Police Departments contention the scene was consistent with a suicide. An autopsy has not been performed."
mircea_popescu: away, evil one. do not bespoil my youthful innocence.
phf: Mahjong Tiles Range: 1F000–1F02F
asciilifeform: ^ doesn't display on my box
mircea_popescu: or in his log
mircea_popescu: but i see it fine.
asciilifeform: i-ching, you-ching, we all ching for i-ching.
phf: oh interesting, it's straight up missing from log
mircea_popescu: no it's not. phf:
phf: true, but corrupted
asciilifeform: i see a subscripted '4'
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's what i'm saying.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell thestringpuller Pleases consider Brazil
phf: well, i have some font on my system that kicks in for most obscure characters (i think i wanted it for apl unicode), never the less log loses some unicode bits
BingoBoingo: Who knew the "weather" tag on qntra would get so much use so soon?
deedbot: [Qntra] Multiple Ambush Attacks On Police Officers Today - http://qntra.net/2016/07/multiple-ambush-attacks-on-police-officers-today/
mircea_popescu: are we waking alf up re police getting butchered or not yet ?
asciilifeform: $s gendarmerie
asciilifeform: which waking up.
asciilifeform: plan is pretty obvious.
asciilifeform: if a white army tries to retake and hold streets in bmore, you can bet your arse the feds will show up. and will defend their beloved pets.
asciilifeform: on the other had, white cops trying to keep usa from rhodesiating, ~will~ be butchered, yes.
asciilifeform: to the enthusiastic applause of harvaryalebridge et al.
trinque: do you really think every black dude with an assault rifle is working for lizard hitler?
trinque: they're just pissed dawg
trinque: fuck da po-lice
asciilifeform: trinque: didja ever read rezun's piece re sov-funded terrorists ?
trinque: I haven't.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i recall vaguely some debates cca 2013, prior to the gendarmerie fallback, with me saying the us police is going to get butchered and you saying wake me up when.
mircea_popescu: too vague to bother digging for it though
asciilifeform: 'The GRU's tactics toward terrorists are simple: never give them any orders, never tell them what to do. They are destroying Western civilisation: they know how to do it, the argument goes, so let them get on with it unfettered by petty supervision. Among them there are idealists ready to die for their own ideas. So let them die for them. The most important thing is to preserve their illusion that they are completely free and indepen
mircea_popescu: but i will say this "hey, getting beaten into a pulp WAS THE PLAN ALL ALONG" only goes so far
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: feds were not, and are not, getting beaten into a pulp.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, you know what splitting is ?
asciilifeform: local cops - yes. because they are in the way.
mircea_popescu: splitting is a term from psychology, denoting a tendency (seen mostly in borderline cases, but a variant is central to narcissists of both types also) to resolve contrasts through alternating pure views.
mircea_popescu: in the most typical case, the teenager's mother is PERFECT ALL GOOD, when she satisfies whatever impulse currently holds the attention of the kid ; and EVIL ALL BAD when she frustrates idem
asciilifeform: where's the alternation ?
asciilifeform: shoe dun fit.
mircea_popescu: splitting is common in adolescents, and supposedly healthy to a degree.
mircea_popescu: hey, i was just asking!
mircea_popescu: tis an interesting concept.
asciilifeform: i'll wear the shoe from the swift thread, though, sure.
mircea_popescu: you'll notice that the simple solution to any unpleasant event is to divide the object into a good and a bad side, yes ?
mircea_popescu: what makes you think there exists a difference between "feds" and "local police" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quite different items in 1,001 ways.
asciilifeform: different jurisdictions, command structure, philosophy, equipment, even recruitment methods
mircea_popescu: well you know, your hand and your skull are quite different items in 1001 ways, but the argument "the bad hand hit you" might at most convince a pitbull
mircea_popescu: or i guess an orthodox muslim.
asciilifeform: never said 'local is GOOD!111'
asciilifeform: just that it is not a reliable part of the octopus. and is being brought into line.
mircea_popescu: but ? independent ?
mircea_popescu: how does this work, i thought nothing was indepenent ?
asciilifeform: let's rather say: not wholly dependent.
mircea_popescu: turns out there's an island right in heart of mordor ?
mircea_popescu: well then... if local police can be inconvenient, then lizard hittler is quite vulnerable ? and there could be... other problems it could have ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498863 << they all live atop the same printing press, yes ? what difference ?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-07 18:09 mircea_popescu: here's something for the historian in alf! there's ancient statement of the principle, recorded in 1970 milwaukee journal : "You make yourself ridiculous by thinking you can do anything. The word is divided in two. The Russians and the Americans, no one else. What are we? Americans. Behind me there is the government, behind the government is NATO, behind NATO is the US. You can't fight us, we are Americans."
mircea_popescu: same nato behind nypd and fbi, neh ?
asciilifeform: my fingers are in that sense same as my toes
asciilifeform: but in practice, they are not interchangeable.
mircea_popescu: i would propose that the surgeon drawing a distinction between toe gangrene and finger gangrene is a dubious surgeon indeed.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
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deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] “What is this magical key to success you smart people have?” - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/08/what-is-this-magical-key-to-success-you-smart-people-have/
BingoBoingo: $up God
deedbot: God voiced for 30 minutes.
God: What’s your favorite story from the bible?
God: What do you all think of Mormons?
trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-police-idUSKCN0ZN0MF << wahhahaha, "acted alone"
trinque: asciilifeform: I tip my hat
a111: Logged on 2016-07-08 04:27 trinque: we'll see how the number of shooters dwindles though
trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-police-gunman-idUSKCN0ZO2JO << rather, this one
danielpbarron: $up hodgepodger
deedbot: hodgepodger voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: trinque: l0l!
asciilifeform: just like the sandy hook scam
asciilifeform: and buncha others.
asciilifeform: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-markets-bitcoin-mining-idUSKCN0ZO2CW << from same rag.
asciilifeform: 'Bitcoin 'miners' face fight for survival as new supply halves'
asciilifeform: 'Dallas Police Chief David Brown called the incident "a well-planned, well-thought-out, evil tragedy," adding, "We are determined to not let this person steal this democracy from us."' << lel!
asciilifeform: interesting phrasing.
mircea_popescu: trinque well, homebrew stuff isn't an ~international~ terrorist organisation so all's good.
mircea_popescu: uh. blood is all sorts of colors.
mircea_popescu: wtf is this crazy shit stick on all sides of video anyway.
shinohai: reportedly, coinbase has a bug that is making high numbers of "vaults" in user accounts lol
asciilifeform: what do these actually do ?
mircea_popescu: someone fucking with their db ?
shinohai: or they just have a new "feature"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-08#1500179 << this thing just melted my brainz. some schmuck crying because he could not become a... health inspector! and pete_dushenski advising him on how to cry less
a111: Logged on 2016-07-08 22:35 deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] “What is this magical key to success you smart people have?” - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/08/what-is-this-magical-key-to-success-you-smart-people-have/
mircea_popescu: nuttin wrong with that, is thar!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There are worse things to cry over.
phf: spilled milk for one